RSSVince Weiguang Li, Canadian Beheading Murderer Suspect Cannot be Deported … He is a Canadian Citizen
Think Canada may be reevaluating the death penalty?
As the family of Tim McLean and 600 in attendance lay him to rest in a quiet 
and subdued funeral, Canada must decide what to do with Vince Weiguang Li, the sick and twisted beheading murderer. May Tim McLean rest in eternal peace.
Vince Weiguang Li has been charged with second degree murder. Some in Canada have suggested that this Vince Weiguang Li never be allowed to walk the streets of Canada and be deported. However, that is never going to happen. Vince Weiguang Li cannot be deported back to China as he became a Canadian citizen nearly two years ago.
According to sources, Li became a full-fledged citizen on Nov. 7, 2006. It was around this time he left his wife and moved to Edmonton, where he worked various jobs including in the automotive department at Wal-Mart and delivering newspapers and flyers.
As a citizen, Li is entitled to full immunity from deportation regardless of the outcome of his criminal case.
His mental health is expected to be the only issue as the case moves forward. Those who got to know Li in Winnipeg believe he was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia but that he rejected suggestions to go see a doctor.
His wife has told police Li spent four days in an unidentified psychiatric facility. RCMP are investigating that claim.
Canada presently does not have the death penalty and in a Gallup poll in 2004 only 48% were in favor of it. After the heinous murder of Tim McLean aboard a Greyhound bus by Vince Weiguang Li, many Canadians may have a change of position on the death penalty issue. After all, Vince Weiguang Li stated that he wanted to be killed. Canada find itself in a situation. Look at the predicament that Canada finds them self in by having no death penalty. Vince Weiguang Li could be deemed unfit to stand trial due to mental illness, or found not criminally responsible, or found guilty and only serve a short period of time.
In Canada, he’s either fit to stand trial and can be convicted, acquitted or found not criminally responsible. Or he can be deemed unfit to stand trial because of mental illness.
Either way, if he’s found not criminally responsible, he’s off to the nut farm where mental health officials decide when — or if — he’s ever let out.
And that’s the part that scares the hell out of me.
If Li is found not criminally responsible for his actions and sent to a mental institute, he could — someday — be walking the streets again.
Similarly, if he’s found guilty of second-degree murder, he could be eligible for parole after only 10 years in prison.
Posted August 10, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Bizarre, Crime, Death Penalty, Deceased, Murder, World | 19 comments |
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Second degree murder! Jeez, he lobbed a guys head off! what do have to do in Canada to get first degree!?!
My suggestion is that if no death penalty will be practiced, another person might be killed by this person. You can imagine if no death penalty is in china, how many more people will be killed in china.
Canada should do some checking into Li’s chinese background.
How do we know that he wasn’t an undiscovered serial murderer in China?
Coming to Canada meant he’d never get caught for those crimes.
Are there records somewhere of similar unsolved homicides in his homeland?
Robert, I was wondering the same thing.
Wondering how the 15 year old boy got Li to part his newly bought laptop ($600?) for merely $60. Was the boy aware of the unstable mental status/poor english/Chinese appearance which might triggered some kind of resentment that lead to what happened a few hours later? All I can say, the boy was very shrewd in getting a nearly new laptop for only $60!
To be convicted of first degree murder it has to be premeditated, and in this case, it wasnt. So it is considered second degree murder, to answer your question Robert.
Also, Canada should instate the death penalty in this special case.
Joe,
It’s premeditated if it only takes a second to decide to kill….he picked a victim, took a weapon with him to the seat next to the victim and stabbed him to death….thats premeditated.
To me, second degree murder should only be when the defendent says “it was an accident”. I agree with Mike…….if it takes 2 seconds to say “hey, i have this knife in my pocket, and i hate this guy…..now i’m going to kill him”…….this is premeditated! If Tim called him a mean name, Li still weighed the decision of [to kill or not ot kill] in his head before he did it. We all have a choice…and time to make our decisions.
If he was examining his knife and the bus hit a bump and killed Tim (and cut his head off??), then that would be an accident –> second degree murder.
That’s my opinion.
i agree….what on earth do you have to do to get a 1st degree murder charge. people have done much less than that in the US and have been charged with 1st degree murder. Does anyone remember Ed Gein? i would say that what he did was not a whole lot worse than what Li did and Gein was seen unfit to be locked away and spent the rest of his days in an institution. why put them in an institution? let their disease get the best of them in proson and let them rot. insanity is not an excuse and it doesnt bring back the lives lost to it.
the attack was obviously unprovoked but definately premditated. why else would Li have sold his laptop so cheaply? because he knew he wasnt going to need it anymore after he committed such a gruesome crime. im also not sure why hed bring a weapon on the bus without intent of harming someone.
i ment *prison, sorry.
If he is sent to a mental health facility, he will not be let out until they think he is competent or they will not let him out at all. It is an indefinite sentence which is better than the 25 years in prison our system gives. As a Canadian I understand why someone would want the death penalty because our judicial system is extremely flawed. In this case though, he may or most definitely be in an institution for the rest of his life.
I have heard of people being stripped of their citizenship and being deported. It happened to former Nazi war criminals. Why would it not apply here?
It is clear that many people have a complete misunderstanding of the criminal justice system and those individuals that are mentally ill. It appears that most posts call for Li to be deported. This is racist and illustrates the xenophobia that is rampant in our society. The onset of his disease happened in Canada. It is the government of Canada that failed by not providing sufficient resources to those with mental illness. This is in part because people are completely ignorant when it comes to mental illness. People with mental illness are discrimnated against beyond measure. These comments proves the ignorance of mental illness and in fact contribute to the notion of “sanism”. The brief description of the mental health criminal justice system is completely inaccurate. Often, there are individuals that are detained at hospitals far longer than they ever would be if they had gone through the normal process. And, it is against international conventions as well as the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to execute someone for a crime which was committed while the person was suffering from a mental illness. And assuming that Li was psychotic at the time, his request that he be killed, is irrelevant.
As for Canadian citizens being stripped of their citizenship, this is only possible in a limited amount of circumstances. People who have committed war crimes are inadmissible to Canada, which means that former Nazi war criminals would have lied on their applications for Citizenship and at that time the government of Canada did not do as extensive security checks as they do now, and would have done prior to Li obtaining his citzenship.
Lastly, to deport a man back to China who is actively ill is irresponsible. It suggests that Canadian lives are more valuable than others, i.e. Chinese – also, blatantly racist. If you even bothered to compare the two systems, you would have probably found that Canada does have a better mental health system than China and is better able to manage the risk that Li poses to society.
Overall, I found this article and the following posts disturbing. It also goes so show that people should be more diligent when reading material found on the internet, because as this article proves, the information can be grossly inaccurate and misleading.
Michelle — After reading your incredibly long, detached of human emotion post, I am so very glad you live in Canada and not the U.S. where I reside. Please stay in Canada, it suits you.
Canada sucks balls!
Mari – the way you talking is really interesting,
“This is racist and illustrates the xenophobia that is rampant in our society.”
You aren’t saying, Michelle, that MOST white Canadians (REAL Canadians, in other words), are “racist”, are you? Because if MOST Canadians don’t want non-whites living in THEIR country, and they live in a DEMOCRACY, then their wishes should prevail.
Any comments?
I know – you’re holier than all of us, you know best, YOU should be allowed to decide our immigration policy, and you should be in charge of a dictatorship. That is exactly what you are saying. Did it never occur to you that you are wrong?
Canada will soon be a third world hell hole, because of THIRD WORLD PEOPLE. Soon there will be nowhere on Earth worth living, because ALL of it will have been destroyed by the psychotic, parasitic, surly, selfish third world hordes who are INVADING every white country on Earth.
Or hadn’t you noticed?
Darla—-I’d venture to say that Michelle would never consider ANYTHING she thinks/writes/says to be incorrect. She knows everything. So, I propose that the Canadian justice system release Vince Weiguang Li into the care of Michelle.
@Robert “Second degree murder! Jeez, he lobbed a guys head off! what do have to do in Canada to get first degree!?!”
As far as Vince Weiguang Li is concerned I would guess that he was charged with Murder II because prosecutors didn’t believe there was evidence of premeditation.
Exact definitions of different types of criminal homicide vary from place to place and I’m not familiar with Canada’s laws (I’m not Canadian) but in general…
Homicide – Is any killing of a human being by another human regardless of circumstances.
* Manslaughter – Is unintentional homicide due to negligence.
* Murder III – Is homicide where the intention of the attacker is to harm the victim not kill them yet the victim dies from the attack.
* Murder II – Is intention homicide where the attack was not premeditated (planned in advance).
* Murder I – Is premeditated intentional homicide.
The difference between Manslaughter and Murder is intent.
For example: If you and you’re buddy get slobbering drunk and decide to play William Tell and you miss the apple on your buddy’s head and shoot him in the face… …well that’s manslaughter. Sure you didn’t mean to kill your buddy but your dumb ass actions were obviously negligent. (based on actual case)
The difference between Murder II and Murder I is premeditation.
For example: If you come home from work and you find your best buddy in bed with your wife so you grab your riffle out of the closet and kill ‘em both… …well that’s Murder II. You damn well meant to kill ‘em so it’s murder rather than manslaughter. But you didn’t plan it out in advance so it wasn’t premeditated.
However: If you learn that your wife is cheating on you with your best buddy so you decide to invite your pal over for dinner where you intend to temporary excuse yourself so you can grab your riffle out of the closet and kill ‘em both… …well that’s Murder I.
A problem with having these different types of criminal homicide is determining and proving intent and premeditation. Intent and premeditation are mental. It’s not possible to read people’s thoughts directly so you have to indirectly infer other people’s thoughts by examining their actions (what they say and do). In order to convict someone of Murder I the prosecutor has to convince a jury that the evidence proves intent to kill and premeditation.
Plea bargaining also presents a problem. Suppose a prosecutor has a case with a charge of Murder I but he is not sure if he can convince the jury. If the case actually goes to trial there is the risk of a “not guilty” verdict and the suspect will escape punishment altogether. In this case the prosecutor might offer to reduce the charge to Murder II if the defendant agrees to plead guilty. If the defendant accepts the plea bargain then the conviction is guaranteed. Unfortunately you end up with a situation where a criminal receives less punishment then they deserve and the crimes on their record seem less serious then the ones they actually committed.