The Netherlands Worried about Corruption in Aruba … What Took Them So Long To Figure This One?

 

Say it isn’t so. The Netherlands is worried about corruption in Aruba. The hell you say? Corruption is Aruba … NEVER!!! Nepotism and cronyism in Aruba … REALLY??? Because its not like there wasn’t any corruption that took place during the disappearance and investigation of Natalee Holloway.

Hirsch Ballin responds that the Aruban Public Prosecution has taken various such cases of corruption to court whereby a few resulted in a conviction. “During talks with, amongst others, the Prime Minister of Aruba, I have expressed my concern and have spoken about improvements in the system, which can prevent corruption.”

Brinkman asked whether the Dutch Minister was aware of ‘the serious allegations of examples of corruption, such as confusion of interests, lobbying for political reasons and nepotism in Aruba”

The Netherlands worried about corruption Aruba (Amigoe: July 25, 2008)

ORANJESTAD/ THE HAGUE – The Dutch Minister of Justice Ernst Hirsch Ballin (CDA) has expressed his concern about government corruption during talks with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP). This is evident from his answer to Chamber questions which PVV Member of Parliament Hero Brinkman asked the Minister and the Secretary of State Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) on the 26th of June.

The questions are about the political climate on Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles as a result of the interview in the Volkskrant newspaper with former deputy Attorney General (PG) Nico Jörg, who described the climate as being ‘dismal’. Brinkman asked whether the Dutch Minister was aware of ‘the serious allegations of examples of corruption, such as confusion of interests, lobbying for political reasons and nepotism in Aruba” and what the Minister has subsequently done with this information.

Hirsch Ballin responds that the Aruban Public Prosecution has taken various such cases of corruption to court whereby a few resulted in a conviction. “During talks with, amongst others, the Prime Minister of Aruba, I have expressed my concern and have spoken about improvements in the system, which can prevent corruption.”

Brinkman also asked how much money was at stake in the last five years of this corruption. The Minister says not to know, seeing as corruption is a matter of the central government. And with regard to the tenders by the Aruban government, Hirsch Ballin says also not to have any insight in that area seeing as this matter belongs to Aruba. The PVV-member brought forward in his question that tenders are not always transparent, as was stated in the newspaper interview. The Justice Minister also claims to be aware of the shortcomings in legislation. “The Netherlands delivers technical aid in order to support Aruba in its legislation process and to rid them of these shortcomings as soon as possible”, says Hirsch Ballin.
Brinkman also wants to know how Jörg’s presumption that the Public Prosecution on Aruba is met with resistance when it does more than just combating crime, came about. Also to this question the Minister replies that the Public Prosecution is matter for the central government and that he is not in the position to judge the ‘steps which the Public Prosecution has taken or should have taken in whichever situation.” The Minister furthermore finds that the Public Prosecution should be able to execute its work “independently, and through the regular authorities”.

Finally the Dutch Member of Parliament would also like to know if the Minister thinks that everyone which got his/her job through nepotism should be fired on the spot. To this Hirsch Ballin replies: “When hiring personnel the suitability of the candidate for the function should be the first priority. Objectivity and transparency in the process are important. I take it that Aruba stands behind the importance of this criteria. I also don’t have insight into the exchange of personnel with the Aruban government organ.”



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  • Comments

    111 Responses to “The Netherlands Worried about Corruption in Aruba … What Took Them So Long To Figure This One?”

    1. MissKatie on July 27th, 2008 4:33 pm

      babbling idiots.. they dont come out and clarify anything.. they just go in circles.. of course they arent going to make any changes in the way their judicial system functions… nepotism… is not going to change… its one corrupt govt that will never make changes unless some one with alot of courage , balls and determination comes in there and rolls up his sleeves.. change doesnt come over night… talk is cheap…

      they just dont get it.. and dont want to..

      oh well they will continue to suffer because of their not willingness to continue to protect the criminals and offenders.. killers…. rapist….

    2. MissKatie on July 27th, 2008 4:35 pm

      oops error in typeing

      they they will suffer because of not being willing to correct their mistkaes

    3. Maggie on July 27th, 2008 5:42 pm

      Here’s a few they can start out with.

      Dompig said he asked to have the Sloots property searched..entire thing..but the judge limited it on site..to just Joran’s room.. One time search.. Anita said they searched the property twice.. including the house.. The judge said Dompig didn’t ask for a full search,,just Joran’s room.

      The conflicts of interest involved in Natalee’s case. I worked with all these people for years..Dompig, Kalpoes, Michael Dompig, Straten, Paulus, Arlene Shippers, Guido..

      How a former judge in training takes his underage son out drinking and gambling and goes home to leave him to drink and gamble and nothing done to him.. He goes on to be a lawyer, worked for the govt fo years. How Joran was able to run in casinos for years underage drinking and gambling half the night.. claims he did the next night also. Has a VIP pass to Carlos n Charlies.

      How does blood turn into chocolate?

      Why does the AHATA have access to police files?

      If you can only arrest someone on strong suspicion, how did they arrest the 2 black security guards for Suspicion of murder and kidnapping of Natalee Holloway if she was simply missing? How can you watch a tape of Natalee not returning, then go out anyway and arrest 2 black guards for taking her from where she never was?

      How can you announce for 2 months about credible evidence of where Natalee is buried and then after 2 months bring someone in to search?

      Why was Straten in Jacobs office after he was taken off this case and told not to be there?

      I could go on and on.

    4. paulus is a cold blooded murderer on July 27th, 2008 7:44 pm

      i saw the fox news website that 2 people that were reported missing have been found they were killed by a family member or at least is a suspect. they were found in a SEPTIC TANK

      i said it a million times..

      i think that is where the PIGS put Natalee

    5. dennisintn on July 27th, 2008 8:16 pm

      #3, at the same time aruba steve is bragging about ahata/ata having copies of all the police reports including f.b.i. generated reports, natalee’s family’s lawyer couldn’t even get the information from a.l.e./prosecutor’s office because it might have compromised the case. if you can figure that one out, please let us know.
      dennisintn

    6. Carpe on July 27th, 2008 9:43 pm

      Aruba is a festering armpit that has gone

      unwashed for far too long!

      I promise to hate them much more tomorrow,

      than when I first awoke today.

      -Justice for Natalee!

    7. richard on July 27th, 2008 9:59 pm

      To the Dutch: I understand that you are worried about what happens in Aruba.

      We here, actually, are more concerned about missing Americans and getting justice for them.

      But since that doesn’t affect your purse strings, you probably didn’t raise the case of Natalee Holloway, did you?

    8. richard on July 27th, 2008 10:01 pm

      For that matter, did you happen to touch on the case of Amy Bradley, missing in Curacao since 1998? Same answer … doesn’t touch our money, so why should we?

    9. richard on July 27th, 2008 10:03 pm

      Carpe (#6) … Your metaphor is apt.

      Problem is, a festering armpit does damage not only to itself, but to everything in the environment and the whole ‘eco-system’ around it.

      Maybe this is why I keep talking about the “moral stench” of Aruba ….

    10. Ray on July 27th, 2008 11:41 pm

      They are three years LATE and a lot of DOLLARS short.

      BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

    11. Herman on July 28th, 2008 3:22 am

      Lovely Natalee,

      Gilie I write to you and sing and play for you…
      steeling our hearts.
      I’m so proud of you!
      Have you seen on You Tube… making the third place for you!!!
      Lovely Natalee…
      Be happy, fight you’re own way!
      And a kiss from my wife, Kathleen and me… behind you’re ear.
      You are so beautifull!!!
      There’s no one like you.

    12. Herman on July 28th, 2008 5:59 am

      Whenever it all chanches: get well!

    13. MissKatie on July 28th, 2008 9:50 am

      aruba at it again and again.. they just dont learn.. from their erros… judgement day shall come.. to aruba….

    14. Herman on July 28th, 2008 10:11 am

      Coming up a new guitarsong on You Tube NATALEE HOLOWAY:
      HELLO MORNING Page 16- today.
      Greeting Kahtleen,
      Herman

    15. MissKatie on July 28th, 2008 11:48 am

      someone is acting strange!!

    16. Vicki on July 28th, 2008 12:21 pm

      This is so stupid..are they stuck on STUPID…Heres a clue you freakin morons….walks like a duck smells like a duck gotta be a duck…

    17. Maggie on July 28th, 2008 3:42 pm

      Dennis, I totally agree.. Why should AHATA have police files? Arlene Shippers and Guido.. Michael Dompig and Joran are friends , Michael and Gerald Dompig hello… Gerald Dompig came out and said his son lied as a witness..about GVC.. Nothing done to Michael..stories of the Kalpoes and Dompig related..

      This is just another one of the many, that stinks.. May 31st the alibi was the 3 dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn, she fell, shoved Joran, very drunk, sexual fondling while Natalee was going in and out conscious..Black guards got her.. All 3, this story until June 9th.. Yet..

      Satish and Deepak give the story on May 31, about the Holiday Inn.. at the end.. Dennis Jacobs is asking Deepak and Satish, on May 31, 2005. if Joran and Natalee got out at the Fisherman’s Huts and was on the beach… Joran is not even asked about the beach and the Fisherman’s huts in the statement shown.May 31. Yet Dompig says in Vanity Fair, they never used that story of the Fisherman’s Huts and the beach until June 9th when they were arrested..

      May 31, 2005

      Deepak

      On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
      I will answer you no.

      If you still have more questions, I will be prepared to answer them.

      D.S. KALPOE

      After the witness D.S KALPOE was given his statement to read, he agreed to sign it.

      May 31, 2005

      Satish

      On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea;
      I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

      If you still have more questions, I will prepare to answer them.

      S.S. KALPOE,

      After the witness S.S. KALPOE was given and read his statement he agreed to sign it.

      This of my statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, has been closed and has been signed at Bubali, on Aruba on May 31, 2005.

      Signed,

      D.D. JACOBS

      This of our statement, on oath of office made up this warrant, has been closed and has been signed at Bubali, on Aruba on May 31, 2005.

      Signed,

      D.D. JACOBS S.B. KELLY

      Yet nowhere on Joran’s May 31, 2005 statement does he mention the fisherman’s huts..

      http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0

      June 13, 2005 new alibi and wouldn’t you know fisherman’s huts and the water.. come in..

      Joran’s statement is Natalee fell asleep on the beach and he left her there… by the first fisherman’s hut and suspected Deepak buried the girl there.. He also said he thought Deepak raped and murdered her..

      signed by Dennis Jacobs…

      http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1098.0

      Vanity Fair.. Dompig, Kalpoes and Sloot change their story from Holiday Inn to fisherman’s huts and beach. Once again Natalee is going in and out of consciousness, so drunk, yet she walked out of Carlos n Charlies on her own and was talking just fine shortly before.

      Reluctantly, Dompig gave the go-ahead for the arrest of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers on Thursday, June 9.

      Joran emerged from his house with a blue-and-green towel wrapped around his head. After initial questioning, he was taken into custody.

      Under questioning, however, Joran did change his story. Instead of leaving Natalee at the Holiday Inn, he now said, the Kalpoes had dropped him and Natalee off at the beach beside the Marriott, a half-mile north of the Holiday Inn; the area is a lovers’ lane of sorts. He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness.

      Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home. During weeks of questioning, the Kalpoes backed up his new story.

    18. Maggie on July 28th, 2008 4:09 pm

      Dennis Jacobs psychic? The fishermen’s huts and the water..before J2K told the story. Not sure which cop asked Beth and Jug right after Natalee went missing, but they were asked if Natalee had a history of seizures and almost 3 years later Joran is on tape saying Natalee started having seizures that night.

      Deepak wanted to throw off an investigation by saying Natalee put her hands down his pants, before it was even public or known that Natalee was missing.

    19. richard on July 28th, 2008 5:02 pm

      “I also don’t have insight into the exchange of personnel with the Aruban government organ.”

      Only Carpe can do justice to this quote …..

    20. txchic on July 28th, 2008 6:13 pm

      everyone on that island is freakin’ related. how can one stop corruption when they’re all out to cover each other’s butts?

      good luck with this one…

    21. Allan on July 28th, 2008 7:52 pm

      Give me a damn break everybody knows their corrupted and you probably are going to do squat.
      Related yes,inbred.

    22. misskatie on July 28th, 2008 8:27 pm

      too much nepotism going on … nothing is gonna change they have eachothers backs

    23. misskatie on July 28th, 2008 8:27 pm

      related are they incested tooo?

    24. minnesota dad on July 28th, 2008 10:02 pm

      Do the Dutch disclose specific cases that they have researched which showed corruption and nepotism?

      Would be fascinating to know if the Natalee Holloway case is one of the cases they are alluding to.

      Everyone knows that case was chock full of conflict of interest, bizarre conduct of authorities, and investigations shoddyer than any keystone cop could imagine.

      ARREST PAULUS…BRING IN THE PERP.

      MD

    25. Patti on July 28th, 2008 11:48 pm

      What took THEM so long?

      What took US so long?!?!???

      .

      We know the amount of human trafficking
      that goes on in Aruba…

      No doubt, The Netherlands is covering
      their own behind, as well!

      Why else would they allow Joran
      to leave the country?

      .

      And where does HE go?

      To another Human Trafficking Center!

      .

      Over 80,000 people vanishing,

      without a trace,

      EVERY year?!?!

      .

      When is the State Department

      going to act upon THEIR investigations?

      .

      (I still think we should go to Washington)

      .

      just my own, personal, opinion…

    26. Patti on July 28th, 2008 11:56 pm

      Richard:

      Wanna get ‘em where it hurts?

      Ask for SANCTIONS!!!

      .

    27. richard on July 29th, 2008 6:48 am

      Patti, some of us have been writing innumerable letters over the last three years. I’ve written to Bush many times … not even a response. Ditto for Condoleezza Rice. Ditto for Congress, except for one reply.

      The absence of even the common courtesy of a form reply is alarming in itself.

      Ask the Bradley family: the original FBI office with jurisdiction in the case, St. Thomas, had nothing to say to them about Amy’s disappearance.

    28. crossbow on July 29th, 2008 7:46 am

      Although for only a few seconds and at the expense of another’s misfortune on Antigua (another so called Caribbean paradise); the world was reminded on GMA again; that Natalee Ann Holloway has been missing for over three years on Aruba. Although Aruba wished she never came to Aruba ; I’m sure that if Natalee could speak for herself she would say the same. We here are left to try to bring closure to this corrupt cover up and bring Natalee or her remains back home to Alabama. Although Aruba wants the name of Natalee Holloway to just disappear; we here will remind the world what happened and NOT LET her name be just a whisper on a dying mother’s last breath.

    29. kaye on July 29th, 2008 8:05 am

      interesting reading from BBC news

      “Crime in the Caribbean

      The Caribbean’s crime rate is said to be four times the US, and 15 times the West and Central European average.
      Concerns are mounting over the worryingly high incidence of violent crime across the Caribbean.
      An article in the The Economist magazine quotes a World Bank -UN report as saying that the region – better known for its blue skies, cricket and rum punch, was the world leader in violent crime.

      The joint United Nations-World Bank study last year, said the region had a murder rate of 30 per 100,000 inhabitants – four times the North American figure and 15 times the West and Central European average.

      New report released

      Meanwhile, the Caribbean is listed among the countries with the highest levels of organised crime, according to a new book.

      The book titled World of Crime, is by Dutch university professor and former UN official Jan van Dijk.

      He says the international community ignores at its peril how organized crime undermines efforts to improve governance and fight poverty.

      Professor van Dijk says organized crime is shown to be highest in the Caribbean, Central Asia, Eastern Europe and West and Central Africa.

      He criticizes development aid agencies, the UNDP and international institutions such as the World Bank for not acknowledging the priority need for tackling organized crime as part of their strategies. ”

      interesting….paragraph two..world leader in violent crime.
      next paragraph, higest levels of organized crime.

      yeah, i really want to spend my american $$ on places like that. NOT.

      Crime flourishes in a climate of complicity when family and community members knowingly protect those who commit crime and enjoy the fruits of their labors (i.e.tourism dollars).

    30. kaye on July 29th, 2008 9:08 am

      ditto crossbow 28…………monkeys posting here is a great way to keep natalee’s name alive but don’t let it stop here at your computer.
      we must keep natalee’s name alive every chance we get. aruba must know that we will not let her case fade away that easliy. cudos to GMA.i saw that progrm this morning. it made me tear up just seeing natalee’s beautiful face.
      i just returned from my “american” vacation, an island off of north carolina. every place i went from McDonalds to the nicer restaurants we ate in, i left a stack of brochures and business cards that i had made myself with “missing in aruba since 2005″ with a picture of natalee. on the back were the SM website along with several others of interest.the post office there obliged me by allowing me to leave a stack of brochures on the counter. i also donated the two books written by beth and dave to the book store/java lounge on the island. the business owners had also follwed the case to some extent and were very happy to have the books for their collection and let me put brochures on display on the counter.as soon as i set the display up several people took the brochures. i wear my tee shirts with her picture on them or boycott aruba everywhere I go. people always ask me why boycott aruba……i say, how much time do you have? then i pull out a brochure and business card. if everyone who posts here would do the same, and do it regularly, then we can keep natalee’s name alive and if by doing those things it hits aruba in the pocketbook then we have done what little part we each can do. we here at SM who have followed it from day one know the urgency of the case. we know the details of the coverup and corruption but not everyone has studied this case in depth. education, education, education!!

      also, a little plug for cafepress.com…they have a whole line of support for Natalee and boycott aruba items from tshirts to car bumper stickers, lapel buttons, etc. any way to get the word out and keep it circulating.

    31. Patti on July 29th, 2008 10:12 am

      I agree with Crossbow and Kaye, as well. And I thank Kaye for all she does, from the bottom of my heart. But, I am not thinking along the lines of addressing the U.S. Government with this problem. Clearly, they have their reasons for looking the other way, as well.

      I have written letters, also… but, perhaps, we are addressing this problem to the wrong people. Isn’t it the desire of the United Nations to protect ALL people of every nation. If we would just step back and observe the many people that go missing and address the problem for what it is… a global problem, we could get some help with it.

      I love the Holloways and the disappearance of Natalee really touches home with us. But, we must not forget the other 79,999 people that it is estimated disappear, annually, as well. Strength is in the numbers. If the State Department is going to spend those countless hours working to assure that human rights are being respected; if they are sincere about putting an end to human trafficking and the element of organized crime that is evident in these areas, like the Caribbean; then it’s, certainly, worth our efforts in addressing this problem.

      I believe it was Colin Powell that first put into motion the responsibility for every nation to report to the State Department. Since he is no longer involved, perhaps the State Department needs to be reminded of these problems and how they effect our citizens. And… if they are not willing to act, because of their own alliances; shouldn’t it be the responsibility of the United Nations to address this issue in an impartial, unbiased manner?

      I think so.

      .

    32. dennisintn on July 29th, 2008 11:20 am

      #18 maggie, it isn’t really uncommon for police to ask medical questions about a missing person but if that is the only question they asked, that could be an important clue or just another example of a.l.e. incompetence and slovenness. it could also be that jvds, after reading the police reports he has copies of, decided to incorporate seizures in his latest lies and excuses. he would tell any lie he could think of to keep attention away from the truth.
      dennisintn

    33. dennisintn on July 29th, 2008 11:26 am

      #3l, you’re probably right, patti, but until we see a hell of a lot more interest being given by the federal govt., it’s up to the citizens to keep up the fight and raise the level of noise until the deafness of the govt. finally hear us. i can assure you that the govt. is not going to do anything it doesn’t feel compelled to unless it affects the employees and elected officials with loss of jobs and elections.
      dennisintn

    34. richard on July 29th, 2008 1:06 pm

      Patti, you’re absolutely right … it isn’t “just” Natalee. When we the people awake to the fact that “politics as usual” rates higher with the government than does its obligation to represent our interests, maybe something will change.

      When will that be?

    35. Carlos Severino Tromp on July 29th, 2008 4:35 pm

      PRIME MINISTER OF ARUBA NELSON ORLANDO ODUBER IS THE FATHER + THE MOTHER OF CORRUPTION ON ARUBA; RUDY CROES MINISTER OF INJUSTICE & CORRUPTION; MARISOL LOPEZ TROMP MINISTER OF CORRUPTION & CORRUPTION; NILO ZWAEN MAGIC FIGURE MINISTER OF FINANCE;MINISTER OF PROTECT CORRUPTION EDDIE BRIEZEN; MINISTER-MANIAC-RAPE-WOMEN & CORRUPTION RAMON LEE; MINISTER OF PROTECTION OF CORRUPTION FRIDO CROES; + THE 11 PUPPET PARLIAMENTS OF ARUBA BODYGUARD OF CORRUPTION HAVE CONVERT ARUBA IN A LITTER OF ROBBERS + A DEN OF THIEVES!!!

      With kindest personal regards, Carlos Severino Tromp

    36. Patti on July 29th, 2008 6:47 pm

      Carlos:

      A man after my heart…

      You got it!

      .

      Dennis:

      Can’t we do a demonstration?

      It’s our right…

      .

      Richard:

      Sweet, Sweet, Richard!

      You have to see the dream… to be in it!

      I may be naive; but I, still,

      believe in the Power of The People.

      .

      We take too much for granted…

      Just think about ALLLLL the people that are ignorant of human trafficking and the pain and suffering it causes. I, honestly, don’t think that Ma and Pa America know about the truly ‘Dark’ side of the world we live in. Don’t you think it’s time someone ring the bell and warn the people?

      We need a hero… again!

      .

      Carlos:

      I don’t think you have any idea about how much I’d like to snatch you from the mouth of the lion…. and give you the freedom that you thirst for. Obviously, we all suffer from the corruption that has come between us; but, I think it’s time we come together…

      Welcome to Scared Monkeys!

      Do you have any knowledge regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

      .

    37. waterboy (Jerry) on July 29th, 2008 8:15 pm

      Natalee was murdered. Who murdered her? The killer has confessed. The Murdering Joran told the whole word on national T.V. He confessed when he said he disposed of her body. There is simply no other logical conclusion. Natalee’s body told the story, and he had to get rid of the book. He’s a monster.

      Paulus was involved. His sweaty body says he was. He was a participant in the demise of Natalee.

      Deepak & Satish Kalpoe were involved. Their car tells us so.

      The Wever kid was involved. His lawyer tells us so.

      Freddie was involved his camera says so.

      Who was arrested and questioned who was not involved? Answer, simple—no one.

      Jerry

    38. Patti on July 30th, 2008 1:11 am

      Waterboy:

      and…

      What do you call it when someone is kidnapped, thrown into a cage, tied down with rope, photographed, raped and sold to the highest bidder?

      Please, tell us:

      What REALLY happened at that card table?

      You know, as well as I, that there is no proof of a murder. We have liars and thieves… ones that would sell their own mothers into slavery… ones that think, and for good reason I might add, that they are above the law… and ones that have the means to keep their bounty’s in cages until THEY are through with them.

      Think about it: How many times have they killed her? If we believe them, she is buried at the Fisherman’s Huts… she died of an overdose… she is murdered in the lighthouse… she is dead from a seizure… she is buried at sea… she is sacrificed to the gods… she is moved about under the watchful eye of the F.B.I. and some of the best searchers in the world!

      But, WHERE is she, really?

      We don’t know…

      Why?!?!???

      Because she is a victim of human trafficking.

      She could be ANYWHERE!

      .

    39. Patti on July 30th, 2008 1:32 am

      It’s no secret what they do to girls in the Netherlands. Why should Aruba be any different? There are babies that are killed during sexual attacks while the cameras are rolling. There are secret organizations that broadcast those things all over the world, through the internet. There are those that keep their slaves in the dungeons, in total darkness, with no concern for, even, the simplest human need… and there IS human slavery and those that fill the orders for their clients with ‘dream’ girls, while just as Cross Bows implies… their mothers seek them out.

      I, love what he wrote. I think it drives home the point. We all, at one time or another, think we may have solved the great mystery. But, in reality, we must humble ourselves because there is no truth in the lies… no amount of questions or answers that will be good enough… until Natalee comes home.

      His comment deserves repeating:

      Crossbow on July 29th, 2008 7:46 am –

      Although for only a few seconds and at the expense of another’s misfortune on Antigua (another so called Caribbean paradise); the world was reminded on GMA again; that Natalee Ann Holloway has been missing for over three years on Aruba. Although Aruba wished she never came to Aruba ; I’m sure that if Natalee could speak for herself she would say the same. We here are left to try to bring closure to this corrupt cover up and bring Natalee or her remains back home to Alabama. Although Aruba wants the name of Natalee Holloway to just disappear; we here will remind the world what happened and NOT LET her name be just a whisper on a dying mother’s last breath.

    40. Patti on July 30th, 2008 3:59 am

      LaLa’s Mom:

      You know I don’t like doing things in secret. I prefer to see the bare truth, speak the truth and witness to it. There is no greater god than our creator.

      I will tell you who has the dirtiest hand of all. He is buried in lies, although he has sat, right there, in front of us the whole time. He is there, was there and will always be there and he continues to put his hand in the pig sty, bearing his dirtiness under the watchful eye of Oduber, himself. He continues to allude the criticism that he, so greatly, deserves. He was with Natalee and he has come to know her. But it is against truth and justice that he stands. It was his plane that flew from Carauco under the pretense of being that of her mother. He is heavy handed and tips the scales in his favor. His ways are not just and true. We rely upon his measure, although he carries little weight in Aruba. He is at the heart of the matter, but is truly heartless…

      Do we have a picture of R.S.? Perhaps it is time that The Netherlands look into the many faces of corruption and the crooked walls that encase him. Perhaps, then, they will come to raze them, burn them and rebuild them.

      In the meantime, I continue to put my trust in Washington. I would hope that we could rely upon you and your friends to join in… to relay her message to the world, to open their eyes and let her walk, gingerly, in the light of day.

      I pray to continue to stand in your honor.

      Patti

      .

    41. Patti on July 30th, 2008 4:28 am

      P.S.

      He is pure evil.

      He will sharpen his teeth to get a better grip…

      But, his days are numbered.

      He will fall, by the wayside as he stands for his Nation.’= He IS Arawak.

    42. richard on July 30th, 2008 8:26 am

      Actually, Jerry (#37) … if I remember, Joran didn’t confess to murdering Natalee. In the Patrick van der Eem tapes, he said that she suddenly collapsed and died in his arms.

      He also said the Kalpoes weren’t involved.

      He’s said lots of things. What does that do, in your eyes, for his credibility? I know what it does for it in mine.

    43. kaye on July 30th, 2008 9:01 am

      Luke 12:2
      For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

      Luke 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

    44. kaye on July 30th, 2008 9:27 am

      excellent reading referencing decades of corruption on aruba…..

      The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
      Tom Blickman – TNI Researcher
      Transnational Organized Crime Vol. 3, No. 2, Summer 1997

      google “Rothschilds of the mafia on Aruba”

      you will notice immediately names such as Croes, Mansur, Pasquale, etc. names we have heard numerous times during the past three years..

    45. chris on July 30th, 2008 12:09 pm

      Any news of Don Juan de Van der Sloot lately? Is he still drugging females in Thailand and by the way, who is footing the bill for him to travel the world?
      It amazes me that he is still able to live his life as if nothing happened to one young girl named Natalee who was last seen with him.
      It is so easy for him to slip the date rape drugs to girls, yet it is impossible for somebody to add a bit of truth serum to one of his drinks and tape him. Surely he is not so well protected that this would be outside the realm of possibilities. Well, I can always hope.

    46. MissKatie on July 30th, 2008 1:59 pm

      my concern is that.???.. is it possible that jossy is into human trafficking and OTHER activities and just sits on the outside lines.. inconspicious? could he be a big crime shot under neath all that fascade???
      isnt anything possible these days?
      maybe: that is his reason for not going foward with fund raising for natalees search and recovery.. he is a wealthy man he can foot the expense and it wouldnt even make a dent is his wallet… and.. perhaps he is a silent participant… he owns the news paper and half the island.. he has alot of power in aruba.. havent you ever wondered why he suddenly shied away? AND hasnt put any updates or other info in his newspaper ?? sometimes people present as respectable members of the community when under neath there is another side to that person..
      I am not accusing him I am merely making a statement ….looks are decieving…ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS
      THERE HAS BEEN NO ACTION TO HELP.. AFTER REPEATED LETTERS FROM RICHARD AND STILL NO RESPONSE….

    47. MissKatie on July 30th, 2008 2:02 pm

      IS HE WORKING WITH PAUULUS IS THAT A POSSIBILITY… MANY WILL SAY NOT POSSIBLE… BUT WHY WAS PAUULUS ABLE TO PULL SO MANY STRINGS … SOMEONE OWED HIM A FAVOR… WHO??? ITS PURE SPECULATION HERE… NOT ACCUSING JUST RUNNING IT BY TO SEE WHAT YOU MONKEES THINK!!!

    48. waterboy (Jerry) on July 30th, 2008 10:58 pm

      Richard #42,

      When my son was young and in Boy Scouts, I worked as an assistant scoutmaster, and advancement chairman. We had 9 scouts advance to Eagle Scout within 6 moths of each other, with my son being the first. All 9 received their Eagle Scout before their 14 birthdays, except two. In 4 years, I had nearly 500 nights camping with these boys, so needless to say I knew them very well.

      With this many over achieving boys, there was a lot of stress, and tempers would flare often. You learn to really read kids when you spend that much time together. For example, if a boy came to me crying and with a nosebleed, I would say, “What happen?” The reply, “Mike hit me.” My reply, “why did he hit you?” The boy would reply 9 out of 10 times, “I don’t know.” (Sounds like a broken record). I’d ask the boy who did the hitting, and he would say something like, “he farted in my face.” Some of the boys were so rotten, that you really didn’t care if one of the other kids clobbered him, as long as there were no lasting sighs of trauma.

      Joran is like some of the rotten kids I worked with. Always causing trouble, always doing perverted things, always picking on someone else, always provoking.

      These Joran-like kids never tell the truth. They tell only part of the truth, and their truth always blames someone else. When they blame some one else, then they are at fault.

      In Joran’s story about Natalee having convulsions and then dying in his arms, he is blaming Natalee. He has done this many times before. It is a sick mind to blame the victim, and Joran has such a mind.

      What I read from his statement is, I slapped, kicked, smothered, or strangled Natalee until she was unconscious. I then got rid of her body, so no one could see I raped, strangled, and mutilated her.

      Jerry

    49. waterboy (Jerry) on July 30th, 2008 11:12 pm

      500 nights of camping. Sorry. I’m afraid that is a bit exaggerated.

      Jerry

    50. Patti on July 31st, 2008 3:51 am

      Joran is and was a bad person. He didn’t have much guidance. His parents are a joke! But, there has to have been someone alot more prominent involved in the kidnap of Natalee Holloway… and terrible secrets being covered by those in charge of their society in order to pull this one off. It’s evident, from the first night that Beth showed up in Aruba, that there was no interest, or sense of urgency, in the case of a missing teen-ager from the U.S. ALE didn’t want any interference in the investigation because, it’s evident, they didn’t want to conduct an investigation.

      Human trafficking is a big problem in Aruba. Even the Dutch have stated that there are discrepancies in their immigration numbers. By that, I assume that if you take their population and add the number of immigrants and live births, subtract the number of those leaving the island or dying, they either have too many or too few people left. My assumption is that there are too few people left. Certainly, that would be expected of an island that is bringing people in from surrounding countries, as immigrants; and illegally either disposing of them with no record or transferring them to other countries.

      Human trafficking is a multi-billion dollar industry, as is the market for sex slaves, mail-order brides and child pornography. When you think of the number of people that the State Department estimates are illegally trafficked, it is staggering. 80,000 people a year is like the population of a small nation, like Aruba, going missing each year. One could, then, say that since Natalee Holloway went missing there have been nearly a quarter million people who have gone missing, just like her, without a trace. Obviously, some of them may be dead; but, under what conditions do you think the others live?

      Given new identities, obviously, some of them live among us… going unnoticed as if they are invisible. Those that are discovered state that they live in a state of fear under threats of being exposed, being physically abused and worse.

      What kind of society would, openly, conduct such a business or cover for those that do? Certainly, such a society would have corruption at it’s core; and, perhaps, one that has had a slave-trade operation going on for decades or even centuries.

      It’s interesting to read that the Arawak and Carib Indians, prominent throughout the Caribbean along with the Masons (a highly secret society) had played a major role in the slave trade in the case of Africans being transported to the U.S. during the dark years of slavery. The Masons are aminant about their belief that slavery should be allowed to exist, even today. Perhaps, this is the reason that many of the government officials on islands like Aruba think nothing of a person going missing, someone being illegally transferred off the island; or the simple, but just as intolerable practice of child prostitution, sex tourism and the open operations of brothels and massage parlors. Along with these practices comes drug abuse and addiction… the two seem to walk hand in hand in the complete deteriation of the human spirit, and the freedom of choice.

      The use of drugs is, generally, used as a means of control. Obviously, the easy accessibility of drugs, in that region of the world, increases the practice of ‘sex for money’ or ‘sex for drugs’; eventually resulting in a total deteriation of the traditional family, the standard of living and the value placed upon human life… especially that of women and children. Perhaps, the male-prominent, machomismo that is so prevelant in Caribbean society is the result of years and years of victimization. The society, as a whole, becomes callous to the pain and suffering that human trafficking inflicts upon its’ weakest components.

      However, this is no excuse. The marketing of women and children is in violation of their liberty, the right to choose and their freedom. Traditional slavery had been abolished for hundreds of years; but it still exists, even, today in the back of card rooms, gentlemen clubs and massage parlors. Very few are willing participants; but, rather held against their wills as bargaining chips in an evil game of manipulation. A game that threatens the life of EVERY participant, resulting in the total deteriation of the human spirit and eventually death.

      There are no happy endings in the practice of human trafficking. Those that participate in the purchase and sell of human beings snatched from their loved ones and sold into a never-ending cycle of slavery, should be punished to the extent of the law… especially, in the case of international trafficking which results in a sense of total alienation.

      If one were, truly, interested in abolishing human trafficking and the corruption of government officials that goes with it, they would only have to scratch the surface. In Aruba, it’s not hard to find. Even, it’s own ministers own and operate brothels, transport and market drugs and manipulate elections to assure their future in the political arena. Just as in centuries before, the practice of human slavery is alive and well… in Aruba!

    51. Herman on July 31st, 2008 6:36 am

      For me:
      Natalee went her own way via Aruba!
      There she was free on her age.
      Reading something between the messages:
      I will never give the proof that I met Natalee!
      Because of a lot of bad people…
      Aruba isn’t a real Dutch Island anymore.
      Some think that a lot of brains -so it seems- can solve the personal choich of Natalee… who are you?
      You only have to wait on Natalee…
      Please I don’t like trolls in my personal garden anymore!
      Anytime…

    52. kaye on July 31st, 2008 8:01 am

      herman…..or whoever you are…….What the h— are you talking about? it’s like trying to decipher the simian/shango riddles all over again!!

    53. Herman on July 31st, 2008 9:15 am

      No Kaye…
      I only have the message that Natalee has choosed.
      Natalee is very well protectid and meaning good: they take care for her!
      Children in Holland are laughing and making jokes on you tube… because they know more (think please).
      Do you realise that overhere we have our contacts etc.?
      And you overthere are so sad… I understand.
      No searching machines for the will of you’re lovely one.
      I step a little beside… do please the same.
      Why… do you think… you tube ” promotes” me?
      I only want it all comes allright!
      First our Natalee!
      You only have to wait.

    54. MissKatie on July 31st, 2008 9:30 am

      kaye
      poor herman is a few bricks shy of a full load.. its ovious.. never makes sense..

    55. kaye on July 31st, 2008 9:42 am

      thank you herman………..it’s perfectly clear to me now.

    56. Vicki on July 31st, 2008 10:48 am

      Herman, SO you are saying that Natalee is alive and is being very well taken care of????

    57. MissKatie on July 31st, 2008 10:54 am

      lol kaye whats clear what I said?

    58. Patti on July 31st, 2008 1:08 pm

      Herman, please…

      Natalee is not a run-away. If she’s in the Netherlands, she is there against her will. If you really care about her, you must tell the F.B.I. where she is.

    59. Patti on July 31st, 2008 1:21 pm

      You say she is protected. If a person were acting on their own free will, why would they need protection? The children in The Netherlands can laugh all they want. They are not mature enough to understand adult things. Quite frankly, I don’t think you are capable of understanding adult matters… That being said, again; if you know where Natalee is, you need to report it. If you are not man enough to do that, then, please stop torturing us with your nonsense. We don’t like trolls in our garden, either.

    60. yoyo muffintop on July 31st, 2008 2:02 pm

      waterboy (Jerry): “We had 9 scouts advance to Eagle Scout within 6 moths of each other, with my son being the first. All 9 received their Eagle Scout before their 14 birthdays, except two.”

      Completely off topic…but that is VERY impressive!! Being an Eagle Scout follows you the rest of your life in many ways. And there are not many things on a resume/application more impressive than obtaining Eagle Scout.
      Kudos to those boys!! Outstanding!!

    61. Maggie on July 31st, 2008 5:08 pm

      Richard, in the Patrick tapes, Joran said she was having seizures, he never went for help.. instead he threw her under the bushes and went to call someone to dump her in the water. He said he didn’t know if she was dead or not. The reason I don’t believe Natalee was suffering from alcohol poisoning was.. she left Carlos n Charlies, talked to her friends, walking on her own..she was as drunk as she was gonna get, no more alcohol. If she was so intoxicated she was suffering from alcohol poisoning, she would have slurred speech, unable to walk alone, loss of motor skills.. confusion of where she was and loss of memory… If she was slipped something in her drink on the way out, that would take a bit to start working.. and a combination of it mixed with alcohol could’ve been lethal. He also was talking about doing sexual stuff with her on the beach. If she was at the stage of alcohol poisoning no way could she consent to sexual things. You don’t leave the bar walking on your own, talking fine, and not drink anymore, walk down a beach, consent to sex and then all at once start suffering from alcohol poisoning.

      Also the report before something bad happened and they were being led to the body. Why was Dennis Jacobs questioning the Kalpoes about the sea and fisherman’s huts on May 31st and according to Dompig they never even told the fisherman’s hut and sea story until after June 9th. I remember Beth saying early on she seen a statement of Joran’s tore up at the police station.

      There are a number of reasons Natalee might have gotten in the car. Maybe they said they were staying at the same hotel as tourists. Maybe the drugs started hitting and she was confused. Maybe she thought it was a taxi.

      Herman has videos of Natalee on YouTube yet when Klass ask for him to post it… nothing. enough said..

    62. kaye on July 31st, 2008 6:29 pm

      misskatie…..a little sarcasim……..makes it go down a little smoother!

    63. Patti on July 31st, 2008 6:42 pm

      LOL!

      I think Herman is the reincarnation of Tiny Tim…

      Tip-Toeing Through the Tulips!

      .

      No one is ‘Sponsored’ on U-Tube!

      .

    64. Patti on July 31st, 2008 6:57 pm

      Maggie:

      Do you, really, think Natalee died of seizures? If so, don’t you think it’s a strange coincidence that the boy who was working at the lighthouse the night Natalee went missing, supposedly, died of seizures, as well?

      Let’s see…

      When did he die?

      June 6, 2005…

      the same night the girl with long, blonde hair died.

      Case in point:

      Maybe it’s not Natalee at the rocks…

      Maybe it’s not Natalee at the landfill…

      But, why would they want us to think Natalee is dead?

      To take the pressure off.

      To make her parents give up and go home…

      so they could get the REAL Natalee off the island.

      .

      But, Beth didn’t go home!

      So they ALL hated her…

      .

      .

    65. Patti on July 31st, 2008 7:00 pm

      Don’t forget…

      There was no scent of Natalee
      neither at the lighthouse
      nor at the rocks,
      or the landfill.

    66. Maggie on July 31st, 2008 9:22 pm

      I never heard of a boy working at the lighthouse died of seizures the same night.

      IMO I believe Natalee was probably slipped a date rape drug and could very well have passed out soon after she was in the car.. Not one thing they say Natalee said in the car rings true. Most people when they are in a car with a date, they talk about things from their lives.. Like I want to see sharks, I have a plantation and black people are slaves.. Mom’s related to Hitler..none of that stuff happened..IMO. They have nothing to tell that Natalee said that makes any sense or is true once she is in the car. They even mentioned Natalee slipping in and out of consciousness. I believe more likely than not, Natalee was assaulted. Why else 3 guys go to a bar at closing time and move in on one girl? We done this before, chat sessions of them planning that stuff. I believe Natalee fought back or the drugs and alcohol was a lethal cocktail, seizures maybe, and or unconscious, and they couldn’t get help because of what was done to her, so they got rid of her.. I don’t believe they were at the beach..You would go to some place private.. Always thought the reason they said they sat in front of Joran’s house was in case of them being seen out front that night. I do believe there are witnesses who came forward and were telling the truth about what they saw that night. Death of a tourist in the hands of locals.. Not good news for Tourism. I also believe Paulus when he said he would do anything to protect his son, to Dave Holloway at prison.. I don’t believe anything the Van Der Sloot family much says..but I do believe that,,when he was shaking Dave’s hand and wouldn’t let go.. He couldn’t even sit by Beth at the house with out sweating so much he had to keep using towels on himself. I also believe there was a reason he led everyone on a wild goose chase away from the house that night and lied and said Joran was somewhere that he wasn’t. I think he coached them all along even got the Kalpoes lawyers.

    67. waterboy (Jerry) on July 31st, 2008 10:42 pm

      Patti, #38

      For sure, if it happen like that, it would account for all the nonsense, and all the state and then retract, all the arrest and then release.

      I’ve proposed a simple solution, but you’re right. Does it really look that simple?

      I agree Joran is a simpleton, and that’s where my doubts debate. If it is that simple and Joran is as simple as I think, why hasn’t he been ground into hamburger meat and feed to the dogs?

      MissKatie, #46. Is the sky really blue or does it just appear that way? Is it only an allusion? And the man said to the image in the mirror, “You truly are a man of substance.” The man said it so often that the world believed.

      Jerry

    68. Herman on August 1st, 2008 12:26 am

      A good morning… remember Kathleen? And a good night to you… remember? Honest and no lies… remember?
      So… first I’m gonna phone my special friend: knowing a lot while he has a gift for that. -Remember?
      He’s directly and I have got the way of feeling for the truth: and we’re not alone, having a lot of those behind us.
      Indeed: enough is enough!
      Perhaps I’m writing soon on this page.
      Bye bye

    69. Patti on August 1st, 2008 1:03 am

      Jerry:

      I have a feeling that this whole thing might have been about kidnapping Natalee for a sale. We know that Paulus worked in the immigration department preparing work papers for immigrants. In a position like his, it’d be easy and very lucrative to be in the trafficking business… providing his clients with a victim complete with falsified papers, a new identity and the means to go undetected as arrangements are made for them to leave the country.

      I’m not saying this IS what happened through personal knowledge, but rather, that it is a possibility. But, I’m hoping that we can recognize that, whether Natalee was forced to have sex in the Lion’s club, at the Paulus’ house or at an old deserted hotel for pornography or for money… we can link her kidnapping to human trafficking. By doing so, the crime against her can be addressed to our authorities as stalking, kidnapping and trafficking. I believe that we may be able to get help, in the investigation, from the Feds as these types of crimes are Federal offenses when they are committed against an American citizen traveling abroad.

      My agenda, ofcourse, is two fold. (1) Make people aware of the world of human trafficking, specifically, international trafficking of women and children for sex, pornography and prostitution (and 2) Get the U.S. Marshalls to do a sweep in Aruba and conduct an international investigation into the human trafficking business that is, so, obvious there.

      If that doesn’t work, I hope that we could address this problem to the United Nations. There are countless investigations going on in this area of law. Canada has, especially, been involved in breaking up trafficking rings that operate in The Netherlands. Most of the women trafficked from the old Soviet Block countries are transported by motorcycle to The Netherlands, flown to Easten Canada then driven accross Canada and into the cities on the west coast… mainly, San Francisco and Los Angeles. They have also taken a lead in cracking down on international pornography that is sent all over the world via the internet by these groups… many of them being pornography involving children.

      Clearly, if the Netherlands are willing to admit that the police and justice system in Aruba are corrupt AND the immigration department may be involved in illegally bringing people in and out of the country (as is evidence in their number discrepancy) we may be able to find Natalee or get an indication as to where she might be… if she is still alive. Ofcourse, if Paulus was involved in the trafficking of Natalee Holloway as I believe he was; this is one way to get to him and Joran, legally,

      Paulus has already let everyone know that he has alot to talk about and threatens to write a book one day. Surely, if we squeezed him, or if he was facing life in prison; he would turn over alot of useful information… maybe even information about what really happened to Natalee!

      It sounds like a lot of work, but it beats sitting here blogging, and could be alot more effective… and fulfilling.

      What do you think?

    70. Herman on August 1st, 2008 1:10 am

      So I’m back at the moment…
      Knowing that my lovely wife got for over twenty years Seresta (150 mg) and that is like Heroïne: but she gets well!
      Dear Monkeys: I’ve got the advise that you may hear the good news of a livin’Natalee!
      But this is the point:
      Natalee is a grown up and that started on Aruba… or not?
      She needs time to get her life together. I’ve met her and knew… you boy… she let’s herself seen and that’s enough. She is nervious.
      But meanwhile: no videos… she dicedes her own time to say hello!
      NATALEE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DECIDES!!!
      Again:
      NATALEE HAS HER OWN LIFE AND DECIDES!
      I’m a friend and choose for Natalees choiche!

      Perhaps you’ll understand that the FBI already knows where Natalee lives… also pretection! -Do you understand please?
      So don’t worry but be happy as you can.

    71. kaye on August 1st, 2008 4:55 am

      maggie 66…..there was a young island boy, who supposedly saw joran and nat at the lighthouse. he died a few days later. you can google the funeral home on aruba. it shows his picture/name. Also,i share your opinion. from everything i have read over the past 3 years, this group of sick perverts have done this many times. only this time, in Nat’s case, something went wrong. they could not let the truth get out.i’m sure tourism was one of the reasons but i think it goes deeper than that. so they thought they could sweep it under the rug and beth would “go away” or “shut the f— up” as joran said! but that backfired on them. they didn’t realize who they were dealing with. and tourism has declined tremendously and the world is beginning to see the real aruba. one crappy island. and if we as a “brotherhood” continue to spread the word, not about aruba alone, but about the dangers of travel in that part of the world and about the corruption, maybe educated and informed peoples will not spend their hard earned money there. and perhaps aruba will fall off the face of the planet! a little wishful thinking (and humor).

      waterboy67….i’ve wondered the same thing. realistically, the whole van der scum family could have been disposed of a long time ago. it has happened on aruba. perhaps there is something to the speculation that Joran is a “by-product” (and I mean that litterally…..as in feces) of the queen. who knows. where are all the vigilantes are hiding.

    72. waterboy (Jerry) on August 1st, 2008 6:14 am

      Patti

      You’re right; your angle makes a lot more sense. Richard has posted many times about such. It’s hard to let go of the plain and simple, but it has to be more complex than murder and disposal in the landfill.

      MissKatie,

      The young lion said to the old man, “Old man with the stick in your hand, I will crush your bones and devour your flesh.” The old man replied, “this is not a stick, but a gun, and it is pointed at your head.” “What is your request, old man? I will do as you wish,” canted the lion.

      Jerry

    73. Herman on August 1st, 2008 9:22 am

      Waking up?
      American Way?
      Jerry?
      Married?

    74. Herman on August 1st, 2008 9:25 am

      Again Jerry?
      Come on: for the whole world!
      Come on you!

    75. Herman on August 1st, 2008 9:30 am

      It will never be the same as it was Jerry.
      Come you hero’s: don’t let Jerry alone!
      I understand more and more!
      Then go further with you’re dieing memories!
      Girlie?
      Remember?
      You get it back!!!

    76. Herman on August 1st, 2008 9:33 am

      The whole world is listening!
      Let’s see who You really are!

    77. Herman on August 1st, 2008 9:35 am

      I’m waiting…

    78. Herman on August 1st, 2008 9:40 am

      Lovely Natalee…
      You are so beautifull to me
      … and all of you’res
      It wasn’t easy e?
      But fight the world (Jim Reeves)
      Saying:
      I don’t care what anybody thinks of me
      My pride is gone and here I am on banded knies
      I… fight the world

    79. kaye on August 1st, 2008 10:00 am

      patti,maggie FYI

      mementomori funeral home aruba

      6-4-05 kerwin anthony orville oijla 17 yr old
      (rumored to have seen joran/nat at lighthouse and rumored to have been paid by joran to keep quiet)

      6-2-05 jalita weaver 43 yr old (girl w/long blonde hair) don’t know her connection. maybe the blonde headed girl on the rocks…….

      so many mysteries……….

    80. Patti on August 1st, 2008 11:13 am

      Thank you, Kaye, for clearing that up.

      .

      Jerry:

      Thank you, too. You have been so instrumental in researching information that has proven extremely valuable to both the world and to the Holloway family.

      .

      Herman:

      Until you provide us with more than empty talk, you will be ignored. To have the opinion that Natalee, willingly, left her family in a state of mourning for over three years is utterly rediculous… She is not that kind of person. Sorry.

      .

    81. Herman on August 1st, 2008 11:16 am

      Sometimes I remember that beautifull song
      …Fifty Ways!

    82. Patti on August 1st, 2008 11:22 am

      and…

      please stop using Natalee as a promotional tool for your music (if that’s what you call it). It’s insensitive of you, besides, she wouldn’t like it.

    83. Herman on August 1st, 2008 11:27 am

      It means
      … forget and forgive each other!

    84. Patti on August 1st, 2008 1:37 pm

      Until Natalee is home in Alabama, we will never forget…

      and, as for forgiving:

      We will forgive when justice is served!

    85. Herman on August 1st, 2008 1:51 pm

      You Tube
      NATALEES FIFTY WAYS
      Natalee Holloway page 16.
      The work is from above…
      Be a friend!

    86. Maggie on August 1st, 2008 2:45 pm

      Re the lighthouse story.. I was going by this from Greta’s interview about a guard statement, who said no cars were at the lighthouse that night..

      VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I mean of course like at points like now you’re thinking what could have happened. I mean I knew him and he was a, you know, he was a good guy from everything I know then but, you know, at points where you’re seeing now that your statements aren’t the same that’s not something that’s normal.

      I mean I wouldn’t know why they wouldn’t admit that, you know, his brother picked me up. I don’t know why they both wouldn’t say that. That’s just something that — that for me that’s mind boggling for me I mean. And they’re saying also that we went to the lighthouse when we never even went to the lighthouse.

      And, even statements from the security guard that was at the lighthouse said a car never went to the lighthouse at all. I mean that’s, you know, that’s mind — for me that’s mind boggling.

      Tourism is the number 1 thing for Aruba, they can’t survive without it.. Just as I believe Paulus would do ANYTHING to protect his son, I also believe Aruba would do ANYTHING to protect their tourism.. I think it started out small and snowballed from there.. I don’t think Aruban officials or the Sloots and Kalpoes had any idea how big this would get in the public. It happened before there, missing Americans and went away quietly. I believe the other part of the cover up was orchestrated by the 2 families.. with lies and false places they took her, never searching, getting together to make up more stories..

      Straten went to see Paulus to say bring in Joran for questioning..Why? Why not just call? Dave’s book where attorney, Helen Lejuez, said Straten had been involved in a cover up before on the island. Oduber saying this wasn’t the kind of case for Straten, yet even when he was told not to be in the office around it, he was seen in Jacobs office. No one could logically explain why they would take 2 liars words and use them to move in on 2 black guards and hold them on suspicion of murder and kidnapping. They knew they were lying the first night and they watched the video of Natalee not returning. Noone could logically explain either why they would wait almost 2 years to search the entire VDSloot’s property when the victim was last seen with VDSloot.. or the Kalpoes for 10 days and let them get together with Paulus meeting, no body searches, or car searches. They can’t logically explain either why they would be searching crack houses for Natalee. There is not one thing in her background to being a drug user. Deepak’s car behind the police station, yet he says he went home that morning and chatted and went to bed. Paulus hiring lawyers, and looking up drugs and alcohol and the effects on young people and lawyers, Deepak wanting to throw an investigation off before one was going on, Paulus calling Natalee a body. Joran strikes me as the kind of person who thinks of noone, but himself. The world is all about him. Steve Cohen saying 2 of these 3 raped Natalee and he expected them to be charged with murder and kidnapping.. He said he was kept up to date on the case and briefed all the time. The FBI telling Natalee’s family early on, this isn’t looking good for Natalee. Straten left the island soon after.. Couple of the judges I really question their judgement. Allow Joran to go free to school in Holland and what a joke that has been. Who knows what information they may have to use on each other, all of them.. from the past.

      Being the last 3 seen with Natalee and nothing at all to change that in 3 years and all the lies they have told.. says a lot to me. Just like Casey being the last with Caylee and all the lies. High profile case and not one sighting of Natalee. Something else that has really stayed with me is the K2′s and Joran’s bad mouthing Natalee, who had done nothing to them, according to them, calling her a slut , the F b… the racist comments , just really talking down about Natalee. People from Natalee’s past, ever hear anyone talk like that about her? NO.. Why were they? Kind of like she was this awful person who deserved what she got. To this day, they have done nothing to help solve the Natalee case. Even refusing to answer questions of what they said about the fact the girl is dead is not good, former chat sessions of them getting tourist girls and what they planned to do with them, calling a friend and saying I can’t tell you over the phone what bad happened right after Natalee is last seen, all those phone calls to and from one of them the next day at school. If they seriously wanted to solve her case, they wouldn’t lie and would work with the police, FBI, whoever, because nothing would clear their names faster, if they done nothing wrong.

    87. Patti on August 1st, 2008 2:56 pm

      Okay…

      If it comes from above.

      Say a prayer,

      Pray for a hero…

      and be specific.

      State EXACTLY what you want.

      For Natalee…

      .

      Then, make that call.

      .

    88. Patti on August 1st, 2008 3:01 pm

      Shango says:

      Ask the Gamblers!

      .

      What was to be the PRIZE

      for the playing of their GAMES?

      .

      Joran says he would have chosen another…

      .

      So… Who Chose Natalee?

      AND…

      Who REALLY won the game?!?!???

      .

      R.S.?

      .

      and…

      Joran wishes his Mother were home that night….

      LOSER!!!

      .

    89. Patti on August 1st, 2008 3:04 pm

      Joran is bait…

      I wonder how many children they threw into the fire…

      Before they, finally, got the boy they wanted???

      One with a penis you could WORSHIP???

      .

      Babylonians!

      .

    90. Herman on August 1st, 2008 3:09 pm

      Patty…
      Do you want a personal contact?
      h.dijk90@chello.nl

    91. Patti on August 1st, 2008 3:12 pm

      Pray to MY God…

      He IS just and true.

      He is the epidimy of LOVE.

      He will give you MORE

      Than you could, EVER, ask for.

      .

      Pray for a HERO!

      .

    92. Herman on August 1st, 2008 3:19 pm

      Patty,
      Catherine says: why don’t you pray like we do?
      Why then are you still in trouble?

    93. Herman on August 1st, 2008 3:22 pm

      Personal:
      Did I not enough this evening on You Tube?

    94. Herman on August 1st, 2008 3:23 pm

      Moneymakers!!!

    95. Herman on August 1st, 2008 3:28 pm

      Listen to Paul Simon…

    96. Herman on August 1st, 2008 3:34 pm

      I wanna know who’s talking etc. to me!
      Speaking about hero’s!!!
      Saying: my wife went to sleep (23.33pm).
      Have a good time together.
      Herman

    97. Patti on August 1st, 2008 3:44 pm

      I better ask Klaas…

      SHE’s in charge!

      .

      WTF?!?!?!?

      .

    98. Patti on August 1st, 2008 3:48 pm

      I’m just a monkey in a cage…

      Why would you want me?

      .

      Maggie?

      Did you go to his “fifty ways”?

      .

      Klaas?

      If it’s worth seeing…

      You’ll post it.

      .______________________

      SM: Honestly, I don’t have time for nutcases so I haven’t looked at Herman’s youtubes. I seriously doubt it’s worth looking at. Last time I checked one of his links it was to Renee Gielen’s BS, so I’ve dismissed him/her (Herman) as a nutcase like them. Herman does appear to be posting from the Netherlands, that’s all I know. (klaasend)

    99. Patti on August 1st, 2008 4:06 pm

      Sweetie:

      You can’t believe HALF of what they say.

      I, even, question my own memory…

      Because I can’t keep things straight.

      There are so many lies!

      What’s the date of the statement?

      Was it before or after the Kalpoes

      decided to tell the truth?

      I saw this television show that had these psychics on it. They were doing a reading for Beth and the woman ended up at Fisherman’s Huts.

      The graph started going off the charts!

      They could here Natalee say,

      “You left me here to die, ALONE!”

      So, they think she died there.

      Does THAT make any sense?

      .

      Thing is:

      They were just playing cat and mouse with the Holloways.

      “Gee, LOOK at what we have HERE!”

      and as soon as everybody’d look…

      They’d move her…

      ALIVE!

      .

      How could she EVER forget that CAGE?

      .

      If I were an angel,

      I’d be flappin like crazy!

      Oh, Well…

      That’s Hollywood for ya!

      I guess their thirty minutes were up…

      .

      Herman:

      I’m waiting…

      .

    100. Patti on August 1st, 2008 4:17 pm

      One more comment…

      Then I’m outta here.

      LaLa’s Mom?

      Am I in TROUBLE?!???

      .

      God!

      I hope not…

      .

    101. Patti on August 1st, 2008 4:34 pm

      He gives his wife Heroin…

      and she goes to sleep.

      THAT’s what he said.

      .

      OH, JOY!

      :)

    102. yoyo muffintop on August 1st, 2008 4:59 pm

      Patti “Natalee was eaten by cannibals” Whateveryourlastnameis
      vs
      Herman

      slightly entertaining

    103. Patti on August 1st, 2008 5:15 pm

      Hey Yo!

      Thank you…

      I do my best!

      Personally, in my most humble opinion:

      To run naked on a beach, claiming to be

      KING of the OCEAN…

      … is a confession!

      .

      Ahhhhh…

      Too bad for Joran!

      .

    104. Patti on August 1st, 2008 5:23 pm

      Where ya been?

      Busting KKK sights?

      .

    105. yoyo muffintop on August 2nd, 2008 10:19 am

      Patti – poolside as much as possible :)

    106. Carlos Severino Tromp on August 2nd, 2008 10:51 am

      The Queen of the Netherlands, also head of state, Beatrix, prime minister mr drs J.P. Balkenende, first and second chamber of the States general and a lot more Dutch institutes, are hypocrite and accessory to corruption, violations of human rights and a lot more crimes against humanity on Aruba.

      This because they are well aware that corruption is already long in power, and that the rights of man were raped right and left and pressure put upon the people to spend money on the corrupt cabinet of Nelson Orlando Oduber, Rudy Croes, family and cronies.

      Not only did I inform these hypocrites, but also quite a lot fellow-countrymen of mine have done this, but these hypocrites close their eyes to the truth and pretend as if there is nothing the matter

      Now that Beth Twitty keeps struggling for her rights and a lot of people have focused their eyes on Aruba and have discovered that the little island is completely corrupt and on every site where I can write or pass on what is happening on Aruba, the Dutch government tries to make the world believe that it is concerned about the corruption on Aruba. That is a smoke curtain.

      Balkenende hates the truth, because in his reply in the letter of the 8th of April 2005 to my letter of the 15th of December 2004, he has shown that he does not want to have anything to do with the truth. His reply shows clearly that my letter is an insult.
      Look on arubainjustice.com Nederland

      Carlos Severino Tromp

    107. misskatie on August 2nd, 2008 11:25 am

      s.m
      herman is not making any sense and never has… he needs to put the crack pipe down and get real!!
      he is just seeking attention and notoriety…
      visions of grandur!!!
      I have been to his youtube thingie
      and its dingy … you cant make sense of the words he claims to sing…alot of mumbling…
      also in some of his videos you see alot of wine or beer bottles… hello!!!
      HOUSTON THERES A NUT LOOSE… but s.m I agree with you… its best to not respond…
      kaye and patti my dear monkees this man has a serious mental deficiency 5150…

      I think he is the one taking the 150 mg

      I used to feel sorry for him but now I am irritated that he would come here making all these babbling’s about our dear natalee…

      herman stay away… we are on a mission and its not a mission to babysit someone not all there…

    108. Patti on August 2nd, 2008 10:55 pm

      Thanks, Miss Katie!

      .

      Carlos:

      Power to the People!

      Have any interest in going to Washington?

      .

    109. kaye on August 4th, 2008 1:46 pm

      does anyone know the status of Beth’s lawsuit in the netherlands? dutch friends…..got any news?

    110. JusticeforNat on September 6th, 2008 10:11 am

      @ kaye…. What ’bout Mrs. Dijkhoff?? And Pitbull, who was killed, crossed and burned. Did he see Natalee and knew where she was after she went missing??
      What ’bout Van Heiningen?? Whose partner is serving now for for “killing” him.
      HOW MANY PEOPLE HAS DIED, WITHOUT US KNOWING THAT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO NAT.??

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