RSSAruba Tourism Claims High Occupancy Hotel Numbers … Too Bad They are Not from America & Too Bad Numbers Can Be Deceiving
First let’s clear up yet another fact that Aruba has got wrong, the US is not in a recession. That being said Aruba is once again touting supposedly strong tourism numbers for 2008. Of course as anyone knows any number can be manipulated to look good. With the cost of living increasing and CPI on the rise, the reality is that tourism would have to far out perform what it did in 2005.
Rob Smith, director of Hotel- and Tourism Organization Ahata. He anticipates that 2008 will close with 76.5 percent room occupancy, which is going to look like 2005, which was the best year ever for our island.
Baghdad Bob Says Aruba Tourism is Safe
Even though with the high cost of fuel AHATA front man Rob Smith believes that the prospects for tourism in Aruba will be good. Mr. Smith, Baghdad Bob also said that American troops were not at their door step and were bogged down in the desert. Fuel costs are effecting everyone, especially those pesky, all important planes at American Airlines that canceled flights that actually bring tourists to Aruba.
The AHATA would like everyone to believe that they are equal to pre-Natalee Holloway tourism numbers. That is not entirely true. Even if all numbers reported are true that the hotel occupancy rates are equal to 2005, there are two truths that have gone unstated. One, less percentage of Americans are traveling to Aruba than in 2005. Two, does anyone think that the hotel rates are the same in 2008 as compared to 2005? Aruba travel packages have been so slashed to entice tourism that the occupancy rate would have to be 50 to 60 percent higher to even break even. Numbers can be deceiving and those in the travel industry only with to put out what makes them look good. Let’s talk revenues vs. expenses and the bottom line.
Ahata: 2008 is going to be a good year despite the recession in the US (Amigoe: June 9, 2008)
ORANJESTAD – The prospects for the tourism for the rest of this year look good, said Rob Smith, director of Hotel- and Tourism Organization Ahata. He anticipates that 2008 will close with 76.5 percent room occupancy, which is going to look like 2005, which was the best year ever for our island. Despite the fact that the oil prices continue to increase and the threatening danger of an American recession, Ahata is ‘moderately optimistic’ about the tourism in Aruba, says Smith. There are several factors that make sure that the number of tourists in Aruba remains stable, such as the big number of timeshares on the island; also the fact that Aruba is a so-called short haul (1 to 3 hours flight) destination helps.
Aruba also takes advantage of the strong euro. “The fact that our currency is linked to the American dollar, makes Aruba cheaper for the European market”, said Smith. Besides Aruba has an extremely high number of gateways for the region; airports from where airline companies can fly to Aruba; travelers can easily reach Aruba from these gateways, which is a plus.
Still, Ahata is concerned about the fuel crisis and its consequences for the fares of the airline tickets. Also the crisis on the American mortgage market has effect on the number of American tourists. From inquiries it appeared that 75 percent of the American tourists in Aruba have a house of their own and that 13 percent have investments in real estate. The high fuel prices and the threatening American recession are also worrisome issues for Minister Edison Briesen of Transport and Tourism. Briesen hinted in the media last week that the high fuel prices can have ‘disastrous’ consequences for our island. With this he refers to the recent flight cancellations by American Airlines. We must urgently look for alternatives, said the minister. Alternatives are attracting more tourists from South-America and Europe. He is also considering marketing cooperation with other islands in the region.
Posted June 11, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, boycott, Economy, Natalee Holloway, Travel | 88 comments |
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Its easy to fill a hotel room when the prce has been cut in half or even 80%.
I hear that Napa Valley is a nice place to go this time of year. Not only that, but if you run into a problem, dial 911 and you’re likely to get help.
Another thing to think about … I imagine, though I don’t know for sure, that some of the capital used to fund these tourist-promotion campaigns comes from the American hotel chains, airlines, etc. that have an economic interest in Aruba.
The institutions in the tourism industry must kick in some funds to promote their offerings, just as the Aruba government does. So Aruba isn’t relying only on its own money to tout its dubious attractions.
Remember, folks, that Aruba is taking part in a travel show in Washington, DC, this month. Don’t stand by and let Aruba spout lies about how safe the island is … stand up for Natalee, or support those who do. Contact JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com for more info.
I’m back from the trip home for the family wedding. Hope that all has been well.
I also think that part of Aruba’s strategy is to try to attract “celebrities.” Get some teen rock star, the thinking may go, and all the idiots will follow suit. In our celebrity-crazy culture, getting on TV or performing in a concert seems to make a person commercially viable.
If I were taking a vacation, the fact that some rock band went to Aruba would be yet another reason NOT to go. But who knows how this sort of thing might resonate with those who care about what Britney Spears or people of that ilk do?
Let’s hope that Americans have more sense.
whether or not the US is in recession (some debate this).
the actual start of recession can only be seen when looking back.
this fuel crisis is going to hit Aruba exceptionally hard.
South-America is not going to bring the money in.
and tourists from Europe are not going to fly all the way in to help them out.
especially because Europe is going to add extra eco-taxes for fuel.
One more thing … Smith refers to a kind of pan-Caribbean marketing effort. I posted last year about this … I forget the name of the group, but it said in the news about its start-up that it would try to promote the whole Caribbean region without focusing on particular islands.
The message was clear: Aruba was going to try to get on the bandwagon, hoping that if more tourists looked at the Caribbean, at least some of them would wind up in Aruba by the luck of the draw.
It had to do this, of course, because the name of Aruba had by then been associated with injustice and corruption. Let’s resolve to do our best to remind the American public that this REMAINS TRUE.
(There, and elsewhere in the Caribbean.)
#4
Don’t think Aruba can afford too many “hot” current
rock stars, Richard. The last few acts to play the
island, all had contract demands to stock the GREEN
ROOM with bifocals, tubes of Ben-gay,
and orthopedic shoes!!!! LOL
welcome back Richard
You were missed
Fock Aruba!!!When is the next travel show? We should see what kind of special deal we can get for a Natalee supporters reunion special!!!
Do you want justice for Natalee or do you want bad things happening to Aruba?
Because (more) economic problems for Aruba and its people, will result in less interest and less efforts in solving the case.
You can’t blame the people of Aruba for being concerned about their jobs, their income, the value of their currency (linked to the dollar) first before addressing the dissapearance of Natalee, how unfortunate this may be.
Please give me one example what the Aruban people (not government) could have done to bring justice to the Holloway family….
I dont think aruba will suceed in their endeavor to lure american tourists to aruba..
if by any chance they do … it wont be of great sucess.
.remember the tourists that have gone there::
they had complained drasticaly about the service they got…and of the hostile attitudes of some of the hotel employees.. which makes it ovious they arent to keen on americans.. just the money they bring and spend…oh lets not forget.. no clean towels .. ewwww… bring your own..
it’s all about the money… and now that there are cuts in the air flights going there.. it will effect them big time no matter what they try to portray to the world…
they have lied and used every trick in the book to make us think that they are on top of it with tourism… not.. not.. not…
its another one of their ploys of many…
once people get there.. and they see how .it is how .. it realy is.. not what they were told it realy is but what actualy IS…
big disillusionment!!!
they should include a bus trip around the island.. of different tourist attractions including… the sloots compound….where beth went to talk to the killers sweatty father.. and lets not exclude on the trip a tour thru the neighborhood of the kalpoes.. where the car was washed for evidence…in the midddle of the night….STRANGE…
include:: the internet cafe where you can see the kalpoe brother busy making cofee… maybe ask him to tell the truth…dont order cofee you may get a day rape drug in your cofee boost !!!!
ARUBA ARUBA SINKING SINKING SINKING
BOYCOTT
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
ENOUGH OF THE BS ALREADY!!!!
Change your image, change your attitude, take care of your babies, take care of your babies having babies, keep your tourists safe, prosecute those who do them harm, clean up the trash and the drugs and the drug addicts, send Natalee home for a proper burial and give her family justice for the crimes committed against her…and maybe the tourists will REALLY return and you won’t have to fudge the numbers anymore!!!
#5 caesu: Not quite true. Tourism in Curacao (a few miles from Aruba) is really booming. Tourism from Europe has increased by 15 % and from S. America by 30 %. There will be at least 1200 new hotel rooms within two years. Yes, fuel prices are high BUT the Antillean Guilder is bound to the USD. Tourists from Europe can pay their bills with USD which makes it very attractive (as we all know, the USD is getting cheaper everyday for Europe). That’s why NYC is also attractive for Europeans (more than ever).
#13 that’s probably right.
but the weak dollar is not going to offset the higher fuel prices.
on top of that on july 1st 2008 the European eco-tax on airfares comes into place.
maybe Aruba can attract more European visitors for longer stay holidays.
but for short vacations Europeans will choose the holiday destination closer by around the Mediterranean and Red Sea
and tourists from S-America aren’t going to spend nearly enough to make up for Americans.
Agreed…..Amsterdamn20, stop coming here if you can’t handle the heat in the kitchen.
Arubans elect a government. Arubans have watched that government, along with their co-conspirator – AHATA, intentionally cover-up and attempt to manipulate the media in order to allow PVDS and JVDS walk free.
I believe the message has been clearly sent from citizens in America…not our government…that we will not support Arubans in any way, shape, or form until they vote out their government, prosecute the predators, prosecute those in government that aided and abetted the predators, and provide an apology to the family of Natalee Holloway.
Until that time, stop coming here with the same talking points that everyone involved in the scam, including Patrick Van Der Em, are utilizing….
Don’t take this out on the people…blah, blah, blah.
America has crime too….blah, blah, blah
Tourism is great, your boycott is having no effect…blah, blah, blah.
Arubans need to immediately protest their government’s actions and replace their government – as it is well known for corruption and has been caught in this instance.
MD
#10- Amsterdam-
Some answers to your question are nicely provided in :
#12- ldstlou’s posting….and that’s just for starters.
Americans are holding Aruba responsible for the unsolved crime and injustice suffered by Natalee Holloway which took place on their Island. What is not to understand about that? What some (Any??!) Arubans *could* have done about this OVER 3 years ago, was to unite & speak up or protest regarding the OVERALL corruption in their Government…… Have one voice and labor forces strike/ public protest about many of the illegal activities and state of their society which cause themselves and their own families as Citizens to also suffer on a daily basis.
Fuel prices, sluggish economy, Aruba’s higher hotel occupancy numbers, loss of overall tourisim revenue, cancelled Flights to Aruba, etc. are just additional problems now added to their list!
-J4N
Joran partying in Thailand
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4206217/_Joran_feest_gewoon_door__.html?p=15,1
Your boycott doesn’t hurt Aruba. As your own former president once said : it’s the economy, stupid ! You believe your own little universe here is the truth, well wake up, it’s lightyears form the truth. I am wondering still why you are al so obsessed with goldylocks.
And also a lesson in parliamentary democracy (a thing you don’t have in the US). The people vote for the parliament. The largest party gets to form a government which can count on a majority of votes in the parliament. This does not mean that every single Aruban is repsonsible for the acts of the government. You blaming all Arubans here has only to do with hate, racism and prejudice. Nothing with politics.
Nice try Don…you on the AHATA payroll?
I am fully aware of how parliamentary governments are formed. People voted for the MPs and those people can send a message to the MPs that they want this dealt with ASAP, or next time the election comes around…..they will be replaced. This usually speaks volumes to politicians….whether in a parliamentary system or the two party system that we have here in the US.
Now go track down some more AHATA talking points and leave us alone.
MD
aruba lies
tourism is in the tank
dont believe one word from them – they suck
DON: why is your island in constant turmoil since Natalee disappeared ? come on and say it,it’ll only hurt a few seconds. BOYCOTT !
Ye ole Aruba, it’s done with, Americans are not going to Aruba. My friends and family just left for the Caymans. They purposely avoided Aruba because of the handling of the missing (we know otherwise, as Joran admitted she is no longer alive) Natalee Holloway.
my grandaughters graduating class.. had make plans for visiting aruba…
but in light of the updates from scared monkeys and my persuasive speechs and advise..
I last heard that all was cancelled and they made other plans for here in the united states..
I would have not wanted to face the same situation as beth and dave…
ARUBA NOT SAFE FOR AMERICANS !!!
DAVE
the islander’s of Aruba need huge doses of prosak.. to deal with the conditions of their goverment…
I agree with you boycott till it hurts
does aruba have 911
or is it connected to the sloots…
DON
GET SOME WD.40 BECAUSE YOU ARE OVIOUSLY STUCK ON STUPID…
YOUR GOVT IS NONFUNCTIONAL INEPT.. CORRUPT… SOLD OUT FOR THE MONEY … TURNS ITS BACK ON CRIMENALS COMMITING MURDER.. HUMAN TRAFFICKING… ETC ETC LONG LIST….
THEY DESECTRATE THE OATH OF OFFICE THEY SWORE TO SERVE AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF ARUBA…
YOU IDIOT!!!
theres no reasoning with stupid people..
that is the trademark of MOST ARUBANS.. LIKE YOU…!!!!
TROLLS
YOU COME HERE TRYING TO ARGUE POINTS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT…
YOU ARENT EDUCATED TO GIVE AN INTELLIGENT OPINION..
YOUR MUMBLING HAS BECOME TRADEMARK OF YOUR INTELLIGENCE THAT YOU LACK…
YOU DONT EVEN CARE IF YOUR RIGHT OR WRONG .. YOU JUST NEED THE ATTENTION…
YOU KNOW WERE RIGHT…
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AN AMERICAN GIRL WELL LOVED…
UNITED WE STAND TO SEEK JUSTICE
NATALEE R.I.P
“Do you want justice for Natalee or do you want bad things happening to Aruba?”
—-
hmmmmmm choices, choices….
Truthfully, Amster… I wish all Arubans fine.
…but with the injustices Aruba did to
Natalee Holloway and her family by letting
the guilty walk, it is simply inexcusable.
I was at a BINGO game last week, and a little
old timid church lady stood up and shouted “BINGO!”
…and we should boat down to Aruba and shoot
every last —damn last stinkin’ one of them!
Needless to say, I fell out of my chair. -j4n
#17
So’s yerrrr mother.
Friends don’t let other friends drink
and work a QWERTY keyboard, Don.
>U NEED BIG CHILL PILL. – Bunny Swann
-Justice for Natalee!
“Please give me one example what the Aruban people (not government) could have done to bring justice to the Holloway family….”
—
1. By giving Joran the moron 9 days to finish
his graduation, when it was a known fact
he was the last to be seen with Nat within
the first 48 hours.
2. By letting Joran, Dirt-pock, and Succotash
amble on into to police stations… while
conducting 5 in the morning raids on 2 guys
that hadn’t even come close to Natalee.
3. Letting Joran go after 90 days. After he had
admitted something bad happened to Natalee to
Gerold Dompig, and it made the AP WIRE and
has been recorded down in universal news
history and cannot be taken back, ever.
4. Not arresting Joran Van der sloot after a
full blown De Vries video confession. Giving
his serial lying as an excuse. He just lies
so much, we are not inclined to believe him.
Dagnabit! We just cannot arrest him for throwing
Nat’s body in the sea not knowing if she was
alive or dead.
I could go on for days.
#11- Don—Know what is shocking? That you would think bloggers on this thread are prejudiced or racists?!?
I’m with Minnesota Dad- we all know how parlimentary governments work and are formed, so stuff it, Don.
Stick with the issue- and don’t expect NOT to have others in here berate or insult you after the load of crap you just dumped here. We don’t blame all Arubans, we don’t hate all Arubans, we are holding those responsible for their crimes…RESPONSIBLE !
LIERUBA IS GOING DOWN THE TOILET, and fast—any other Airlines deciding not to fly there anymore?? Hhhmnnnnnn…
We stand by the girl and her family!
-J4N
Zo vol haat en geen enkel bewijs!
Zojuist vernam ik dat Natalee leeft… tussen vrienden.
Misschien wil zij jullie wel niet meer.
Omdat je zo vol haat zit en nooit
… Natalee begreep?
Wij -als zieners- denken dat het een show is!
Haat en schapengeblaat… geld.
Natalee, de koffie en de borrel staan klaar.
En… ik rook ook.
Enkhuizen… schippersvolk.
The Aruban people could have
demonstrated against that…
rather than against Natalee’s mother who was
only guilty of trying to find her baby.
GOOGLE TRANSLATOR
HERMAN TO ENGLISH
—
So full of hatred and no proof!
Recently I learned that Natalee is alive… between friends.
Maybe you do not want it anymore.
Because you are so full of hatred and never
Natalee… understand?
We-as-seers believe it is a show!
Hatred and schapengeblaat… money.
Natalee, coffee and drinks are ready.
And… I smoke too.
Enkhuizen… schippersvolk.
#34
“Recently I learned that Natalee is alive… between friends.”
—
Hey Hermie,
Do you have proof that Natalee is still alive?
Like…
Oh, I don’t know… say…
Like a VIDEOTAPED CONFESSION OF IT?
Go pound down some more of that Rodney Allen Ripple and tune up yeeerr 6 string, you flaming a$$ho.
You wouldn’t know real PROOF if that chit landed
on top of your house at 6 o’ clock in the morning
shouting over a bull horn “HERMAN, HERMAN, IT’S ME
IT’S ME, I’M BONAFIDE IRREFUTABLE PROOF!!!!!!” -j4n
I don’t think American tourists are going to worry mainly about the currency used in Aruba.
Their concern will be (as it should be) the injustice perpetrated against an American citizen there. An injustice tolerated, winked at, and yawned about by Aruba’s own government.
It’s only common sense that Americans will avoid Aruba. If that causes pain to the Aruban people … well, they have more influence on their government than we do.
We’ve told them what to do. Let’s see them do it … or take the consequences of their inaction.
One consequence: we will never cease urging a boycott. Let Arubans welcome their Colombian ‘brethren’ if that’s who they prefer.
Does anyone know if Tim Miller is still on Aruba?
Bijna midden in de nacht.
En de duiveltjes vliegen rond,
Eigenlijk heb ik spijt ervan
dat ik jullie heb leren kennen…
Hee tapijt… je toon is vals
een beetje schielijk: links en naar rechts.
Natalee: rijke dronkemanspraatjes.
Zij kent jelui en weet wel beter.
Even voeten vegen tapijt…
Is this name and email address requirement something new?
Klaas, please advise.
Thanks
kj
_______________________
SM: No, it’s been this way for a very long time since the new format which I believe is over a year now. FYI you don’t have to use your real name you are just required to put something in that field. (klaasend)
Crossbow,
I think I owe you a reply. I’ve been in and out of the house, and not been able to be on the Internet much. I was supposed to be on vacation, but I spent the time moving my son (3times—long story) and building fence for my Dad.
I think the last time we corresponded; we were talking about the tower at the lighthouse (good research—I don’t know how you found it). You threw out the question, “what’s in the storage site?” I may have answered, but it’s full of a generator and fuel and other equipment
It is interesting that Joran started talking about the lighthouse after a few days. I think he knew that the trash container had been taken to the landfill by that time. I always speculated that Joran and the two ks were seen by the Gardner (where is he now?) as they watched to see the trash truck pick up the dumpster behind the hotels. Now, I don’t know what they were doing there, if they were there at all. I could have been a ruse to keep everyone away from the lighthouse for a couple of days. Or it could have been a hand off.
As you can tell, I still think that Natalee is findable. We’ve talked about the gold mines that is a possibility. The golf course intrigues me too. I don’t believe she is at sea. I think Joran told that story so searchers would waste time and money and become frustrated.
I’ve said it before, but if you take a 180 on everything Joran says, you are headed in the right direction.
Jerry
Almost in the middle of the night.
And the duiveltjes flying around,
Actually, I regret it
I know you have…
Hee carpet… your tone is false
a bit schielijk: left and right.
Natalee: rich dronkemanspraatjes.
They know jelui and know better.
Even feet sweep carpet…
—
Up your two large nose holes, my sweet
lethario Dutch fart boy!
The name is Carpe. You’ve been talking
to Charlie Ratcliff, I see it all so
clearly now.
-Justice for Natalee
Today’s CNN webpage has a story about the college students who work on cold cases, including Natalee’s. http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/11/crime.club/index.html?iref=mpstoryviewalee's:
Well, there you have it, now it’s totally official, and it’s plastered every where. Several weeks ago I posted on a prior thread that my contacts in Dallas related that AA had completed crunching the seat fill tallies, jet fuel forward contract costs, and decided to cancel numerous passenger flights to the Caribbean and elsewhere. At the top of the scale back list on Southern routes was Aruba. You cannot in good conscience justify flying at a 43% fill rate, and Americans simply are not choosing Aruba as a prime destination. AA’s stockholders would revolt. For the entire first 5 months of 2008, the MAJORITY of Travel newsprint ads noticably omitted the usual come-ons for Aruba. There are unfortunate reports from Hotel corporations that show room fills are running on average at a sad and unprofitable 61% capacity rate. It’s clear economics….many costs are fixed, and slashed rack rates and other promotions are eating up former profits that are not being replaced.
The Joran confession tapes broadcast worldwide had a nuclear bomb effect on the prime tourist season, and interest in Aruba by the majority of Americans is non-existant. It is painfully obvious that the world has become a scary place, but when there is an absence of decency, no one will choose to go there.
Three years later, and the Aruban government, many key officials, and others have demonstrated the worst face possible………stupidity, and they don’t seem to fathom what is takes to correct the problem of their own making and choosing. You can hint, you can state, you can say it plain and it understandable English….they just don’t have the mental capacity to grasp and ackowledge THEY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
#45- Bob- BRAVO! Great post.
Boycott Aruba ’till they have the stones to finally deliver:
***** JUSTICE FOR NATALEE *****
where’s patti. i dont talk but i red her stuff allthe time. shes got thimgs rite. iam from colombia. i come her to git free. i work at nite and go to scooll to lern. she is rite. we want her to kno she is are hero.
patti you are hero!
Yo Zoltan,
Get John D. on the horn…
please inform him that
that li’l silly a$$ ARUBA AHATA doo-diggler
Rob Smith will be trying to gain entry
into the US in a week or two! See if you can
get that putz a nice spot on the DNF LIST. At the
very LEAST, I request that every hole be checked.
Thank you, bro bro. -j4n
thank you. i com her to go wih my sun. she is good. colombia try to take me sun. it is vary por. imary america man. now i am hapy. i wil not go bak to columbia. the babys are in truble thar. my english is not good. i sorri. mabe mi sposo rite to you.
Aruba had better protect the Colombian girls better than they did NATALEE HOLLOWAY. If they dont some drug connected Father will send a hit man over to the island to take care of the problem. IMHO
BOYCOTT ARUBA JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
SUPPORT FOR BETH AND DAVE
@ 32, Carpe,
I know the government (police/authorities) screwed up in handling this case.
I’m not trying to justify this although I think it had also to do with the lack of experiences with this kind of cases.
I also know that (part of) the government of Aruba (but the other Antilles as well) is corrupt. But as Don (#18) tried to explain; it is not easy to change the governement because of the poverty, the powerful families and the fact that elections are held every 4 years.
And minnesota dad, in Aruba people don’t vote for a MP but for a party and because (other than in the US) this party won’t have the absolute majority of votes, this party will form a government with other parties. Normally, the party with the most votes chooses (among itself) the MP.
Anyway, that’s why I asked: what could the people of Aruba, its residents, have done to make you happy?
#45 Bob great post…
this statements get my vote for post of the day!!
“It is painfully obvious that the world has become a scary place, but when there is an absence of decency, no one will choose to go there.”
Absolutelty!!!
I get so tired of hearing..”US has more crime…blah, blah, blah”
You summed it up perfectly!!! It is the absence of decency, may I also add care and concern for Natalee and her family, that separated this crime from most. It was the corruption and the attempt to sweep it all under a rug and move on that has infuriated so many Americans.
It is the heartwrenching thoughts of what Natalee’s family must have gone through over the past Holiday weekend on the 3rd anniversary of the trip that ended her life, only to see the photos of joran drinking it up with more American tourists and standing naked on a beach yelling I am king of the beach. Aruban officials unleashed that animal on the rest of the world.
Bob (#45) … And, of course, whatever the advertised costs are, once Aruba gets the people there, they can inflict any charges on them.
Just like so many of the airlines, which are charging to check a second bag (I saw a story today saying that United is going to charge for EVERY BAG CHECKED). Yeah, sure, there are “discount” rates … but what do they include, and what do they omit?
(“You want to turn the lights on in your room? Oh, that’s now got a $50 charge.”)
Regardless, it is indecent for Americans to go to Aruba. Let’s do our bit to promote that idea.
I see the “sporter” made Diario today….what a loser this idiot…Anita must be real proud the way she raised this moron.
Joran and Paulus will kill again.
serial rapists — do just that
aruba is evil
the people got exactly the government they wanted. Evil
http://tinyurl.com/3spa6c
http://tinyurl.com/47uz4l
AIN’T NOBODY COMIN’
(this is the maintenance guy)
http://tinyurl.com/4qlnqg
ARUBA, right down the…
http://tinyurl.com/3gXvnb
—
-Justice for Natalee!
Take a good look Aruba this is the guy that turned your island upside down…..and his message for you!
Anita….aren’t you just proud as punch of your delicious sporter….nice picture for your family album…..
Looks like those two are going to be completely smashed by the time they finish those drinks….
Wish we could translate the article in Diario…the only things I can make out are….Joran said he is king of the ocean, something about alcohol, a speedboat, Marijuana and 6000 Euro’s…undoubtedly got into some kind of trouble….as someone said he may never got to prison for the crimes against Natalee but will end up there for something else he did…
#58…typo…meant to say he may never GO to prison..
I used to think Urine didnt have the “cojones” to tell the truth….it appears he really doesnt have the “cojones” period! Ha, ha……is that why Paulus cant tell the truth either? The apple doesnt fall far from the tree….or is it acorns in this case?
#59–Brie….My lousy 2 cents worth say that Joran VDS, his rotten *aiding and abetting a crime* Father/Mother and the 2 Kalpoe Brothers are never going to do one measly day behind bars.
Too late, too much corruption- too far gone. That’s the reality right there that burns my a**.
What a class act Beth Holloway is, spending her time and efforts educating the youth of our Nation regarding their safety when traveling abroad. In her heart and as a Mother, I am sure she does this for Natalee. Wow.
-J4N
**** JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ***
Rob Smith needs to stop blowing smoke.
76.5%??? Does that mean that Aruba has a handicap of 4.5?
Joran always has that infamous stupid look on his face…
It is that “Hi, I’m a dumb azz overconfident look”, ya know? … like the second coming of FONZI.
… in his mind, he’s walking around saying to himself “CLINT EASTWOOD, CLINT EASTWOOD, CLINT EASTWOOD!!!!”
…but every girl in the club, in their minds they are saying….
“Why does he look so funny?”
“Is he retaining gas?”
“I wonder where his mother keeps his special helmet… is it fitted with a chin strap?”
“Does he still put on his jacket up over his head from up off the floor, like they first teach you to do in kindergarten?”
-j4n
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We all love Natalee.
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As Martin Luther King once waxed: ‘I have a dream’. Scary. Indeed, I too had a recurring dream last night and mentioned it to the Mrs. at breakfast. She looked up and said: “OMG, Bob, how terrible, you know darn well that every time you have ‘one o’ those dreams, it comes true, how terrible”. Yes, I hate those also.
The recurring dream was about Joran, it wasn’t very pretty, but who gives a $zxxT? Seems Joran is leaving some sleezy bar, I couldn’t tell exactly where, when a heavy set guy of Asian decent walks up to him and thrusts a stiletto type knife into his abdomen several times. Joran grabs his belly area spouting ounces of blood with each failing heartbeat into the gutter, and collapses backwards onto the street. A few jerking motions, and it was over.
And so the first saga ends……..Joran meets his just rewards, and the world rejoices. What a dream. Wow.
In Diario today they showed Joran partying in Thailand with an American girl. There was a picture of him nude at the beach too. The article also stated that Joran is under Psychological treatment.
He got a bail out from jail with the help of an online friend of him that gave authorization to withdraw the funds as a gift. (this last is old news).
Aruba occupation percentage is decreasing and most hotels are running slow.
The major source of tourism comes from the the US.
Aruban officials didn’t screw up the case accidently, noone could make that many mistakes…
The police knew Joran and Deepak were lying from the start. Joran… I don’t know that girl or her name when shown Natalee’s picture that night.. big lie..went to the Holiday Inn, they showed 2 different places they let Natalee out, then neither could point out the guards who got her. In fact, they didn’t even wear the type of clothing the 2 described. Next day, Beth and the cops together watched the Holiday Inn tape that showed Natalee didn’t return.. What do the cops do.. go out and wake up 2 black security guards, who had alibis, didn’t know Natalee, and search their homes and arrest them, suspicion of murder and kidnapping. The last known lying people with Natalee, no body or home searches,,or questioning for hours.. In fact, they were getting together everyday to make up more stories together.10 days roaming free. Van Der Straten said to a Dutch reporter… Natalee is dead, I’ve seen the evidence around June 5th. Julia Renfro was on the O’Reilly factor around that time and said the cops have good solid evidence against the guards and the 3 others were witnesses. One of them confessed to something bad happening, then it was retracted. Joran admitted to Natalee being very drunk and all types of sexual stuff. Quickly he changed that to she wasn’t drunk, she knew what she was doing..We know why. FBI was there.. wasn’t allowed to do anything just watch. There was the help they needed from people who are very trained in this type of thing, but instead they chose not to allow them to participate. They gave up and came home. The Van Der sloots entire property wasn’t even searched until this past last summer 2 years after. Dompig said the judge wouldn’t allow anything but the room of Joran’s to be searched. Anita said everything was searched and the judge later said Dompig didn’t ask for a search of the property and house.. What a joke.
As for Don, her name is Natalee Holloway, not goldylocks or that girl or just one person. Were it your sister or daughter, you would be singing a different song. How many do you let a country get away with? 1 person, 2 persons, 3 persons??? Certain people have went to great lengths to try to wipe out the memory of Natalee Holloway and telling lies about her and her family to cover. Everytime I hear the name Aruba, I think of Natalee Holloway and the terrible injustice done to her and her family.
why didnt his parents bail him out hmmmm… brie ya think they are tired of paying .. but on the other hand they must be funding his life style he has no money
he is no good
there is nothing redeeming about him
I would believe Joran was under psychological treatment if I seen it with my own 2 eyes. Just another way to try to get people to say poor him. He loves the spotlight. Life is all about him, what he wants, what he needs.. Who in their right mind would date him? He appears like a time bomb waiting to go off somewhere all the time.
bob you live by the sword you die by the sword
lmao carpe
brie
you said
and I agree soon… see he is on a self distruction path..
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS HERMAN SAYING
CARPE?
where oh where is patti?
YOHOO PATTI MISS YA
I ALWAYS MISS BRIE AND PATTI WHEN THEY ARENT AROUND..
ALWAYS1 YOU ALSO WHERE ARE YOU?
WHAT ARE PAUULUS AND ANITA THINKING NOW THAT THEIR SON IS AGAIN ON A SELF DESTRUCTION PATH!!
THE BOY HAS SERIOUS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES… THAT NEED TO BE ADRESSED.
HE IS GOING TO END UP ON A CORONERS TABLE SOMEWHERE BUT HE DOESNT SEEM TO CARE..
SEDATED BY DRUGS I SPOSE…
LIKE I SAID ARE HIS PARENTS FINANCING HIS PARTY LIFE… MAYBE THEY DONT WANT TO DEAL WITH HIM AND WOULD RATHER KEEP HIM AT ARMS LENGTH…
WHO KNOWS THEY ARE A BUNCH OF NUTS
I wonder if the ‘Dirty Hand(s)’ aka ‘Black Hand(s)’ aka ‘Italian Mafia’ still operate in Aruba or did lack of tourism run them out of there too!
Here’s a great link for all you codetalkers out there…doh, no wonder all the perps fled Aruba the week she went missing! They all knew ‘what was written down!!! Babylon scared of DirtyHand. Arawaks scared of DirtyHand so who the heck is from the Italian Mafia on that tiny island who was once thought to be sick or dead but is ‘alive and well’???
http://studyworld.com/newsite/reportessay/History/European%5CItalian_Mafia-322057.htm
“…There was also the Italian Mafia. They were recognized by the “Black Hand.” The “Black Hand” was a letter with a black hand print on it. The letter would simply ask for money. Every Italian knew that if you refused to pay, it would cost you your life. The only way to be immune to the
terrifying “Black Hand” was to be a part of the Mafia.”
Hey #34 Herman – you Jethro Bodine codetalker wannabe – So you say Natalee is alive? Prove it pal – And you say you are a ‘seer’ and maybe you are smokin’ some of Joran’s Nederweed?
What the heck are you trying to say boy? Spit it out already!
Herman, is this what you are trying to spit out? She is alive cuz of what you may have read here?
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=73437
#66- Bob–Nice dream. =) Joran will truly receive his just rewards one day & the world will rejoice just as you say.
#78- Poochy- @ Herman “Jethro Bodine Codetalker Wannabe”…lol
She’s up above, sleeping in the arms
of Angels. We’ll never forget her.
**** JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY ****
Even if Joran does wind up being done in by confederates in some drug deal … he’s nothing but garbage. My concern is justice for Natalee and for her family.
i’m not a mean spirited person but the only so-called “psycological help” that joran needs comes from the end of a double-barrell shotgun!! at close range.
kaye
I agree with you.. that is the only thing that can help him.. or to meet the tip of a double edged of sharpe!!! knife…
I wouldnt feel for him or his parents..NO FEELING THERE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER…
kaye
we all here have seen and heard all the bazzaar things that those involved have done.. we have no mercy for him or his parents..
we are not mean spirited here at SCARED MONKEYS..
we have come here and joined in the cause to bring natalees remains home.. and during all this we have become angered at the travesty in justice and the attitudes of the sloots and the officials of aruba….
we have a way to feel what we feel about this injustice… it has changed many of us..
we get these trolls coming in here arguing the cause for aruba..
they are deep in denial… stupid… brainwashed .. lost……
they have lived in this inviroment for so lont they know no different … they think this is the way its supposed to be…
I only hope and pray that someday joran and the kalpoes will meet their maker(THE DEVIL)
I visulaize that it will be similar to the movie ghost where the black robed demons came to take the dead man home…
that is the way I see it ending for anyone involved in natalees death….
THERES NO GOD’S ESCAPING JUDGEMENT
thanks misskatie……you’re right. i know that for myself, personally, even after 3 years i still get so choked up and cry every time i “re-live” the whole case in my mind. yes, i do become angry and mostly frustrated because it seems that no one, absolutely no one, will bring this case to closure. especially the ones who could;the arubans. every time i read something like joran partying in thailand or anita selling her paintings, all of them going on with their lives like nothing ever happened…..i get so angry. natalee cannot go on with her beautiful, young life. it was taken from her by those murderers! yes, i get very angry. i know in the big scheme of things there are far more important issues going on around all of us but this case hit home with me 3 years ago and has stuck with me all this time. the whole mystery of it all. the imcompetence of a government, the deceitfulness, the corruptness of a group of individuals who have been allowed to get away with murder and walk free today. like nothing ever happened. my only consolation, and it’s not much, is that one day, each of the guilty parties, no matter how small a role they played in the events that took place in natalee’s rape/murder/disappearance, will one day face God. they will have to answer to the charges put before them. they will not be able to lie any longer for he already knows the truth. only then will justice be served. god bless you natalee, god’s angel.
monkeys have a great weekend!):
Kaye
If by any chance you come back to this post, I would like to say that I too feel and have felt such anger and frustration at the officials of Aruba… their attitudes any time an american is victimized. they are incompetent..they want money to turn their backs .. or perhaps money to investigate.. remember they asked dave how much money he had.
Their attitude seems to be that (the women) who get raped and killed asked for it they say!!! poor boys.!!. they try to make the perpetrator the victim.
How outragious is that!
Makes me sick to my stomach every time I see their faces pop up!!
It is so bazaar that they can go on with their lives with no thought of the life they took. no nightmares of that brutal night??
Natalee was:
a girl that had everything going for her.. she had many future goals.. she was robbed of each and everyone. She was robbed of ever giving her parents grandchildren.
the medical profession lost what could have been a great and valuable Dr.
all for the pleasure of some young punks and a father that assisted them in covering up the crime.
those boys not one has done anything outstanding with their lives… their all loosers.. the deepaks mother was fired from a job for stealing.. geez what a role model…
than you have jorans parents.. biggtime loosers.. what kind of role model is pauulus … he is so deep into crime its not funny!!
They enabled and disabled their son biggtime.
they will all stand before god one day .
but as long as they remain here on earth and continue in the life of crime and partying.. the odds that sooner or later somewhere they will meet their fate…Joran will meet his match..
I dont know in those countries what morals are taught to their children… oviously none.. the deepaks look and are evil… they come from a different country. I hear that they were throwed out of their country for crimes against a girl …
NO SURPRISE THERE!!
I was pretty shocked to discover such a xenophobic site. One thing is to look for Natalie and seek impartial justice, quite another is to seek revenge on a country.
Actually, it seems the Aruban economy and tourism is getting along very nicely. If you believe they fake their numbers, I would suggest that we look at Fannie and Freddy’s books to see some real action… (that will hit our pocketbooks pretty soon). The reason why tourism from the US is dropping is sadly familiar. It rests more with the Bush administration than the Arubans: collapsing economy, crashing dollar, galloping increases in the price of everything from fuel to milk and all the rest of it.
Actually, I believe the danger for Aruba is the opposite: since it is a small and so far less discovered, that they over-develop too quickly in concrete, spoiling its wild beauty (like so many places in the Caraibbean, say nothing of Florida or Oahu).
Hmm, I imagine that if they could filter their incomings, I suppose the kind of narrow-minded, revengeful tourists that read this site are exactly the kind they can do without… Now, that’s not a real problem, is it?
It is amazing the quantity of ignorants post based in NOTHING! You guys even don’t have accurate numbers from different industries.
I can say that most of you don’t even travel to other countries to take a LOOK at what you are saying.
By the way, can some of these “experts” in tourism AND CRIME can tell me if they know how many people get rob, raped, assaulted AND disappear in the streets of America? INCLUDING tourists? I don’t see any police department or people from America making protest or in the news about people that came here to even work legally, study legally or just visit as a tourist, spending money in YOUR economy and with cases unsolved. GIVE ME A BREAK! who you think you are?
One person desappear (is very sad) but the Arubans DID protest, they DID help…you only are sit down in your fat a$$ watching one of your bias medias that everybody knows just show what they want to show to make Americans more ignorants.
People wake up! there is a world outside and America is just a tiny piece of it.
You can stop going to the island in your own persue of ignorance…but your less $$ won’t affect a thing, since Europe in total spend way more money than you. Quick example all these years of embargo to Cuba and Varadero (if you know where and what it is) keep being one of the top places for tourism thanks to the Canadians, the rest of the America’s (the continent) and Europe…I don’t see they are desperate in need of your US dollar.
what is sad, juran admits to getting other girls to agree to travel to amsterdamn in human trafficking schemes, yet that is being overlooked.
juran was not the mastermind, but the “pretty boy” pickup and enticer to lure girls into prostitution…
when girls regularly disappear, and it is suspected that they are prostitutes, all investigations stop…
this happens in america as well…