RSSAs Public Employees Boycott & Protest in Aruba … Let’s Remember What’s Really Important … Justice for Natalee Holloway
The protests and strikes continue in Aruba by public employees over higher wages as tourists come to Aruba and are presented with less that standard safety and service by the mere nature of the strikes. However, the question does come to mind … are the people of Aruba capable of protesting for a cause that is not as self serving as an increase in pay?
If the good people of Aruba actually had a clue, below is what their protests and strikes should have looked like over 2 1/2 years ago after Natalee Holloway went missing. Care about human life as much as you care about your wallet.
Aruba, imagine how prosperous your tourism would be and the image you would project to the world if your protests looked like this.
The truth of the matter is, if Aruba had provided “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” there would have been no drop in tourism and the workers would have been able to maintain their wages and even get increases. Instead, they chose to sit on their hands and allow a miscarriage of justice and a joke of an investigation to occur.
To the people of Aruba … you still have the opportunity to do the right thing and demand justice in the case of Natalee Holloway.
Posted April 15, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, boycott, Corruption, Crime, Missing Persons, Murder, Natalee Holloway | 170 comments |
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Never in all my life have I seen a place have the dumbest ppl on it. Are you all stuck on stupid?? All you care about is money…These are the most uncareing idiots in the world. Maybe someone will wake up from the trance they are all in, and say…MAYBE OUR CIRCUMSTANCES WILL CHANGE IF WE DEMAND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE..you cant even feel sorry for these dumba$$ ppl. Its all about them…SICK
Going back to the previous Natalee thread that included an “open letter” from Patrick van der Eem. See his response to me – which is a total cop out.
Also note the Patrick seems to think owning McDonalds some how gives one American values! He also thinks that calling for a voluntary boycott makes us think we are God.
Sorry, Patrick is selling but I ain’t buying.
YA REALLY WANNA RAISE…
Justice for Natalee and her family Aruba!
***also***
Don’t let Anita Vandersloot
drink and dress herself!
This would also help your tourism.
That beyotch has arms bigger than Lou Ferrigno!
They look like two damn hams.
…
TODAY’S SLOOT FASHION TIP:
***
NO MORE SEE THROUGH GARMENTS!
http://tinyurl.com/5o6znk
No justice no money
Where are the remains of Natalee??
Where is Joran? (Hiding in a mental institution to avoid civil suit?)
Where are the crooked Aruban officials who impeded the investigation from the beginning? (Hiding behind their lies still or have fleed the island of Aruba)
Where is Paulus Van Der Sloot and his dingbat Wife? (Still on Aruba yet they know everything, and Paulus was involved)
Where are the Kalpoe Brothers? (Deepak, the little rat and rapist and wimpy Brother Satish- also involved and know all)
WHEN will there ever be JUSTICE FOR NATALEE?
No one will ever stop protesting and having our voice heard until we get an answer to:
WHERE IS NATALEE HOLLOWAY?
-J4N
hahahhhaha Carpe, you are sooo funny…Hams hahahahaha Katablog, I get the feeling that there is something rotten in Denmark….if you get my drift…He says what he wants us to hear…I dont believe the whole stikin confession of Urines at all…he is so SICK that he makes things up as he goes along…
Q. What does a labor dispute by government workers have to do with the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?
A. Not a thing.
well, Richard could answer that much better than I, but if Aruba had done the right thing and punished the people who killed Natalie, the economy of Aruba would be better, hence the people would make more money…..simple….
Im sorry, I spelled her name wrong…
Oh, and whomever wrote the lead in story already said what I just said….sorry again, Ill just have my coffee and wake up…
The protesters blocked the road to the airport again on Saturday and they are planning more actions today. I wish they would of put up a fight like that when it came to serving justice for Natalee.
I don’t believe that Joran is not capable of being able to be questioned by the judge. Another scam of his and the Sloot’s.
I do believe Natalee had seizures, I do believe she is in the ocean and I do believe it was the Gottenbos boat. I also believe she was drugged and raped.
3. Carpe. I didn’t know opossums smiled. Ever. That’s what I love about SM; I learn so much.
Just wanted to remind everyone that the police protested about overtime. On an island that boasts so little crime. Beth waited for hours to talk to the police after arriving in Aruba. The police didn’t know about a missing person when Dave arrived 2 days after Natalee’s disappearance. The police couldn’t be found when Greta and Beth went to the police station. The police were too busy to go see about some burned bodies. Gerald Dompig didn’t have time to “write little notes” to get equipment for Tim Miller to search deeper parts of the ocean in 10-05. I repeat: On an island that boasts so very little crime.
They can’t all be eating corn flakes.
omg carpe
that is totaly hilarious
I’m reminded of one Aruban protest about Natalee Holloway’s disappearance. They were protesting statements made by Beth. Greta talked to one Aruban protester who said “there was no crime here. She got into the car willingly.” Then there’s Anita van der Sloot who, at the close of her interview with Fox News, said “why would she[Natalee, is her name, Anita] get into a car with those three boys [read: low lifes like my son].
Do you want to travel to a place where it will be your own fault if someone commits a crime against you? Someplace where they will say no crime was commited if they think you made a mistake that gave someone a chance to victimize you?
patricks credibility about the authenticity of the confession tape leave me with serious doubts and a sour taste in my mouth as to his motive… it just doesnt seem like he got to much info… the real meat of the tape could have been more informative… it was tooo amateurish … maybe it was made to throw us off or to give himself notoriety…
I’ve been reading about Patrick and just went to the last article about Aruban airport boycott to read Katablog’s response. Excellent response and as stated, there are more facts that could be included. I don’t agree at this point that Patrick is part of the coverup; I don’t see him as the bad guy in this, only someone who lived in Aruba, may have family and friends there and sees the whole thing differently than some of us. You don’t have to boycott Aruba for Natalee Holloway. Avoid traveling there for your own good. See my post #14.
If this had happened in the US, we and the U.S. media would have cried foul. The feds would have investigated the police and judges and heads would have rolled — from corruption to lack of professionalism to incompetence, suspensions and terminations would have resulted. Perhaps even a trial for those who tore up statements, lied to the media and family, disposed of or destroyed evidence. Because it is outside US jurisdiction, our only recourse to protest is with the U.S. dollar. It may be weakening against the Euro, but it’s still in demand.
I don’t think Patrick is part of a cover-up nor do I think Peter believes it was a cover-up. They thought they had the whole truth from Joran. Patrick is not a professional but I think he tried his best. Two pieces of information I believe, Natalee had seizures and they dumped her in the ocean. She didn’t die in Joran’s arms like he said, he never used a payphone to call and it wasn’t Daury. It was Paulus and the Gottenbos boat, Koen and Sander and maybe even Freddy. How the Kalpoes fit in I’m not really sure. But Joran said they drove past his house but they didn’t go in, what was the point of driving there. He never did explain why? It could of happened at Joran’s house or maybe the Kalpoes pulled off onto to some out of way dirt road and they all raped her there. They probably know every inch of that island.
#16: My problem with Patrick is that he wants to preach to us that “miscommunication” is some of the problem. Then he sits at his blog and denies that he wrote the very words I copied from his web site!
He asked if there were continued problems with the justice system on Aruba and I answered “hell yes”. I then not only detail some of the things that have gone on from the get-go but also the continued denial by Aruba and it’s mis-justice system that it has gone one. Rick Smidt is the judge who decided Joran’s fate on Aruba – the same judge who is a colleague of Joran’s father and reportedly stays at the van der sloot home. How on earth is that misstating what Patrick asked? Why is Patrick in denial over this.
And yes, Aruba’s current strike problem can indeed to related back to the Natalee Holloway case since if there is a lack of money to pay workers it’s because there is (and will continue to be) a lack of American tourists. On top of it the government bigwigs aren’t taking any pay cuts to pay their workers because they are corrupt.
Katalog that was an excellent response to Patrick’s open letter. How would Patrick feel if this happened to an Aruban in the USA…I’m sure he would feel the same way as we do.
#15 Misskatie…. I for one appreciate the fact that Patrick was willing to entrap Joran by video taping him in his car. The world heard him
say that he slept well that night after he was with Natalee who was unconcious and thrown into the ocean… This tape is another step toward nailing Joran and putting him away behind bars. I do believe this will happen. I could care less if Patrick received money for this setup. I for one am so glad he did this.
I agree with those who appreciate Patrick’s efforts. Not a professional myself, I was thoroughly convinced he had elicited enough when I saw the translation. Privy to the rest of the 20 hours, and also not a professional, he probably thought he had more than enough. I don’t speak for Patrick but my reading of his site indicates he has said over and over he thought the investigation was handled badly and that’s one of the reasons he involved himself. He was in a position to do something and he did it. Enough said. I don’t think we can blame him that ALE says a confession isn’t enough to detain Joran while seeking corroboration. Why bend over backward to alienate the one person on Aruba that we know did SOMETHING as opposed to the nothing and worse done by others? Use your own judgement on whether or not to support a boycott. Patrick has asked for it to be stopped, which indicates it’s working, so if you want to continue, be happy. If you want to honor Patrick’s request, so be it. No need to attack the messenger who, up until now, seems to be on Natalee’s side. Just my opinion.
One more thing: My understanding is that many on Aruba and in the Netherlands, not to mention other message boards,
, had their opinions of the situation totally change after viewing the confession tape which exists because of Patrick van der Eem. Joran lost a lot of support and a lot of ‘benefit of the doubt’ after the airing. We have Patrick to thank for that. We also have Patrick to thank for any other leads or information that may come forward due to the airing. What ALE does with the info is not up to Patrick. But possibly, just maybe, Peter R. will follow up. He was very clear in his broadcast. Unless we gang up on him and alienate him too. Food for thought before attacking those that seem to have tried to help, regardless of the outcome of their efforts. Again, not saying don’t boycott; that’s your choice. Suggesting don’t attack. 
#21-I agree that it was great for the world to see and hear that moran express no grief or compassion for another human being and that he is a self centered ahole, something is not right with Patricks story…and he doesnt LIVE on lieruba, he just visits…He has his own agenda….thats for sure.
1. Vicki: You know, when it’s all about money, you eventually don’t get any. It just works out that way. You can’t trample on the people who have the money. That’s just stupid. But who said that Aruba isn’t stupid?
People = Money.
Good Service = Money.
Honesty = Money.
Justice for Natalee = Money.
hmmm, No Natalee = No Money
What a difficult concept!!! at least for Aruba.
boycot aruba
molly in houston
#3….Carpe….you can come up with the most hilarious stuff….I guess Anita stayed up all night stringing those beads for her purse…..looks like she is clearing her sinuses and her dentures are slipping at the same time….she forgot to put feathers in hair like the Aruban dancers do….and what is that standing next to her….looks like something the cat left on the front porch…!!!
#23….Hi Vicki, just a question, what do you think is wrong with Patrick’s story…?
At the risk of getting my hand slapped again, maybe we should take our own advice and start applying pressure to our own government officials? My understanding is that email and fax are preferred after the ricin scare a few years ago. Have we all contacted our own representatives and demanded any action? It appears the boycott is working, according to Patrick, at any rate, because his brother lost his business due to the boycott. Do the Dutch elite on the island really care what the Arubans want and will they respond even if Arubans hold protests for Natalee? Giving them a raise doesn’t entail exposing the corruption. Justice does. Our government answers to us and we should all be applying pressure on them, and probably stand a better chance of a positive result than with just pressuring Aruba. Again, just an opinion.
do they not have Wrongful Death in Aruba…this is what I would go after…even if it was not as good as a murder charge, the parties would be damaged forever….
26-brie..email me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com and I will tell you…but just in general…HE is helping ALE solve this..now he is working for the police???I didnt know he was law enforcement..Ale wouldnt allow the FBI to help them, but they will let this guy???Okay..maybe he eats Frosted Flakes as well as Dennis Jacobs…this Island is a joke, really. They will be working on solving this case till doomsday…
I think there are two issues here that are getting mixed up.
The filming of Joran’s ‘confession’ by Patrick and Peter deVries made a valuable contribution to the case, in my opinion. If nothing else, it exposed to the public JvdS as the slimebag that most of us who have followed the case since early days knew that he was.
Does this solve everything? Nope. I for one never was confident that Joran, who has since day one told lies, suddenly went 100% clean. I don’t think that we know where on the beach all this was.
Also, look back to the time span involved. In the space of a few hours, if this version of events is true, Natalee was taken off from C&Cs, wound up on the beach alone with Joran, collapsed, died, and Joran, after screaming “Why does this always happen to me?” (an intriguing comment that hasn’t been followed up on), has the presence of mind to contact “Daury,” who obligingly appears in a boat and takes her body out to sea.
All of this in a few hours? Does that ring true?
Another question … if the Kalpoes were not involved and weren’t around, doesn’t it seem awfully strange that they would be at the vdScum house every day in the two weeks or so after Natalee vanished … and that Papa vdScum would pay for their lawyer? That Paulus must be a heck of a nice guy ….
There are other questions.
We should also remember, for all that Patrick says about his finding answers … the Caribbean Court of Criminal Justice (I BELIEVE that was the court in this case; memory may be off) did NOT find the videos to be conclusive legal evidence.
So there’s no way, in my view, that Patrick could have claimed a “reward” from Beth … he hasn’t located Natalee’s body or brought her back home.
These were, I believe, preconditions of a reward.
However, while we still don’t know exactly how much of what is on these videos is true … certainly they are a contribution.
That’s all one issue. The other issue that has come up recently is that Patrick sent out a public letter citing his opposition to the boycott of Aruba.
Opposing a boycott is of course his privilege.
He also sent me a private letter in regard to this. I plan to answer these when there is time, an item in short supply right now.
Anyway, it seems that his letter against the boycott is getting the attention right now. I continue to think a boycott is totally justified.
No justice for Natalee…no tourists for Aruba.
I also seem to remember that (assuming the Arubans are telling the truth) the phone from which Joran said he called “Daury” was good only for international calls. Accordingly, this statement is demonstrably false.
HOWEVER, let’s not demonize Patrick here. He opposes the boycott; those of us who support it, and I am one, should justify our position.
Remember, ultimately it’s up to the American people, to whom we present our arguments, to make their own decision. Judging from what we hear from Aruba, and on the subjective basis of what I have heard at the “boycott Aruba” trade events, our message is being well received.
(And it’s worth pointing out again … while the media sneer about the “Natalee Holloway syndrome,” people of ALL races have agreed that there is a cover-up in Aruba and that it should indeed be boycotted. The so-called “rich white girl” syndrome is something that I have NEVER heard from anyone except the media.)
Lin (#27) … The lack of response from our own government is indeed infuriating. I have written twice to the Dutch prime minister, and both times have received intelligent, reasoned, and even sympathetic responses.
In contrast, not one of my letters to the president or the State Department has been answered.
However, what really matters is what “we the people” do. We will persuade others to vote with their money … not give it to Aruba.
Richard, I agree with you for the most part…except when it comes to that nite…I think it did happen quickly, and on the beach…I believe all three guys raped Natalee, killed her, maybe by backing over her after they were finished, and put her somewhere….I dont believe they took her to Jorans home…this is not a girl they planned to see again or introduce to their mother….I think it all happened quickly and was covered up quickly….
and as for the kalpoes being at jorans house after the event,,, you know the old saying keep your friends close and your enemies closer…well
as for the other things about cutting her head off and sacrifice for the gods, I cannot let myself believe that many people could be involved in something so evil….there are some killers who in the past, have been that evil, but a group of people like that would be very unusual, dont you think…
and another thing…there was no motive for a murder….the only story here,was sex……
*yawn*hey i have an idea.why dont you post an article about the fire at the football game in the Netherlands this weekend where 19 people were injured,and somehow tie it to Natalee?!
number 37…if I bore you perhaps you could find another cause to read up on…..maybe why child porn is so rampent or why gasoline is so high or why teachers dont get paid more….i dont know…make yourself useful
#37 — why spend your time mocking these people? Another website more to your liking is only a click away. Why even pause here? Kind of creepy, you know?
18. Katablog. The continued problems with the justice system in Aruba is that those who covered up this crime and lied to the media and family have not been reprimanded, let alone tried for any possible crimes committed in the process. They still claim they did all they could, no evidence, etc., rather than acknowledging that allowing friends of the van der Sloots to investigate and preside over the case was inappropriate. The Dutch team should have been brought in to begin with and no judge working regularly with Paulus should have presided. What’s most appalling is that we’ve all watched this unfold over 3 years time, the Arubans rubbed our noses in the fact that they just won’t let those bullies from America bully them, and then they claim they tried and it was an honest investigation. If I hear Joe Tacopina on Fox one more time proclaiming no evidence and giving us a sob story about what Joran’s been through, I’ll have to use parental controls to block myself from watching Fox News. Ever.
Ha! that is funny about the parental controls…now why wouldnt Patrick want us to boycott…because the wants the approval of everyone….he wants the Aruban gov to admire him for solving the case, he wants Nats family to believe him so he will get the award money, he wants us not to boycott so Aruba will prosper again and he will be everyone hero….un uh..
i personally dont like Patrick…i see him as a glorified ambulance chaser…..just in it for himself
the term carpet bagger comes to mind…
CONservative governMENt on April 15th, 2008 2:37 pm
*yawn*hey i have an idea.why dont you post an article about the fire at the football game in the Netherlands this weekend where 19 people were injured,and somehow tie it to Natalee?!
Because we are currently too busy running IP TRACERS on your laughable postings so someone with a “special coat” can stop by & pay you a visit. LOL
Say hi to Joran, enjoy yerrrr day, ya big ass dimple! Luv yaaaaa
Everyone keeps asking where Joran is, he is in Holland.
I was with him over the weekend…
Why don’t you prove it by posting a photo of the two of you 
(klaasend)
___________________________
SM: Well then you must be in a mental facility too
I don’t agree with Patrick.
However, I appreciate any positive contibutions
to this case that he’s made… to make that
Dutch Frankenstein T-bizkit, pay for his
brutal sexual assault on Natalee.
–j4n–
….
Anything to help turn that boy into
virtual road kill, if they continue
to protect a rapist, is MUCH APPRECIATED.
Hey Hans Mos, if u are reading this today…
GO STICK IT where the
SUN DON’T SHINE, GEE MONEY!!!!
Yo!!! Mr. Potato Head…
YOUR EAR IS VERY BIG, isn’t it? ROFL
Boycot USA, the most hypocrite country in the world !
LOL!
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#25
I guess Anita stayed up all night stringing those beads for her purse
-
It absolutely looks like somethin’ she made
with her nutty a$$ Yogi in art class, huh?
She probably made
it with a kit, beads,
hot glue gun, and glitter.
She taught history and art, right?
WOW, she’s truly amazing. That’s some ART!
44-carpe..ip tracer eh?if you tell me where im at, ill stop posting.Also..I dont actually know Joran nor have I met him.
Roses are R
TO ARUBA:
Roses are red
Violets are blue
WE WILL CONTINUE THE BOYCOTT
SO SCREW YOU!!!
Sounds good to me #47, we boycott you and you boycott us. We can get by just fine. We don’t have to go to Aruba anyway. That is the general idea, boycott as in…do not go to Aruba. Let the island dry up and die. They never intended on giving Natalee justice, they are the ones who only want money…and ours too. We will not stop the boycott until they return Natalee.
CARPE YOUR HILARIOUS
ART TEACHER LMAO
THE ISLANDERS ARE GETTING DESPERATE … MAYBE WE NEED TO SEND CARPE OVER THERE TO TEACH THEM A THING OR TWO
HEY CARPE LOAD UP THE BAZOOKAS AND TAZERS… FILL YOUR BEE BEE GUN WITH JELLY BELLIES..
Con-Men, if you read only his capitals.
I think there may be a hidden message.
I don’t know Patrick, but anyone that would get a
list of Scared Monkeys members’ e-mail addresses
to address his own, personal, position on the
boycott is a little shady, don’t you think?
I’ve heard that everyone is getting this mail.
If he’s able to steal a mailing list,
he could steal alot more than that
off your data base, give you a virus
and cause harm to you.
Saying he’s not scared and that this is turning into a witch hunt, is his way of pleading for us to stop. He’s probably hoping that nothing was found in cages because it makes Joran’s “so called” confession look even more rediculous. A guy came by with a boat….
What?
A person to hire for disposing of girls?
AT YOUR SERVICE!!!!
Now THAT sounds alot less possible,
to me, than a group of people who have odd
religious practices.
.
Besides, don’t forget the rocks; the original
confession and the retrieval of bodies.
.
Question is: Could it be that Oduber, himself,
is the witch that Patrick is trying to protect?
Or, is he saying that Joran is the witch we are
searching for. Fact is, we all know where Joran
is; so who is he trying to protect?
He sure sounds animate!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/7346816.stm
“the suspect has confessed and is leading the police to the body”
June 10, 2005. Right from the mouth of ALE.
Boycott Aruba.
Sorry Patrick, if it walks like a duck and quacks…
I respect your opinion, but if you look at the facts, including the confession of Joran, it is the proverbial perfuming the pig.
ewww perfume on a pig
once a smelly pig always a smelly pig!!!
Richard: I agree with your statements. My beef with Patrick is not that he asks for the boycott to stop – that’s his right as you say.
My beef is his absolute denial and not posting some of my posts at his site (while he condemns SM for banning someone)which proves that I copied EXACTLY what he says he didn’t say.
Next, he’s very condemning. I do agree there have been some inappropriate posts here, but again, that’s these posters’ right too if SM wants to allow it.
Patrick claims that every life is important (hence we in the USA shouldn’t allow guns) but yet he has no problem with the fact that with the corruption within America, Americans could lose their lives.
One Crappy Island must be boycotted until we know that IF crime happens, the perpetrators will be brought to justice – an incentive for others not to kill Americans. As it is right now, Americans are open game on One Crappy Island because history says a citizen of Aruba won’t be punished and the investigators will cover-up.
As I’ve said before, going to Aruba, with visions of what was done to Natalee and knowing that her soul cries out for Justice – I could not have a moment’s piece. I suspect many others feel the same.
How can Patrick call for us not to boycott? Does he think we should waste our money in a place that would be hell on earth to us?
Thing is:
All those things that he addresses in that letter
are things that he should request, in an honorable
way, of Beth, not us.
If she wants us to stop, we will; she knows that.
Besides, there are enough people here that know
Beth, personally, over many years that would
only have to address the issue and it would be
solved. And… I don’t think he’s one of them.
.
Someone who has been posting at Scared Monkeys
is pissing him off…
WHY?
I’ve never had the occasion to see an Aruban beg,
so, I’m not sure what it means… perhaps it’s
because we have decided that its’ time to know
the truth and we’re getting closer to it.
I wonder if he can feel the Palace Walls trembling
all the way in The Netherlands?
I do…
.
Justice for Natalee!
47 Shame: Please post your boycott signs along our southern border. Get some friends together and stand along our southern border and don’t let people in, ok? Thanking you in advance.
47 Shame: Are you saying that all 300 million in the U.S. are hypocrites? We have the largest number of hypocrites? We have the largest percentage of hypocrites? Are you including the non-citizen residents and the illegal residents or just actual U.S. citizens? I’m really just trying to understand how many of us should be offended. Could be that some of them will want to boycott Aruba.
Patrick, Patrick, Patrick. The Aruban boycott will continue until a resolution is reached, and only then…whether SM continues to show up at Aruba Travel Booths promoting a boycott or not. Mention Aruba to anyone in the U.S. and ask for their response. Invariably you are gonna’ hear Natalee Holloway, the Van der Sloots and various slurs about Joran and his parents, and the Kalpoes. You’ve certainly done your bit to bring justice for Natalee, and are to be commended. If punishment is meted out to the perps, maybe over time American tourism will resume. But as all the bloggers state…first, justice for Natalee.
Or better yet, stop all the shipments from China!
You have to go to the store two or three times
before you get the one that, actually, works.
WTF!
Thanks for that one in advance, too.
.
Viet Vet’s word is good enough for me.
.
Boycott Aruba,
As if Your LIFE depended on it.
Find Justice for Natalee…
ARUBA BLOWS
hmmm I went to patricks website and sure enough he is copying and pasteing our comments to his website..
Always 1 (#33) … If your idea is accurate (that all three joined in, on the beach or elsewhere) … then here again is another issue with the story that Joran told Patrick.
He said that the Kalpoes were not involved, and sneered at them as “stupid boys” or something very similar.
(Old saying comes to mind: takes one to know one.)
And, of course, his version of Natalee’s sudden collapse puts NO blame on him whatsoever. Or any of them. The only “blame” that he accepts is participation in the illegal disposal of a body.
Not the actual disposal; “Daury” did that. I’m certain that even in Aruba, he would be seen as an accomplice … if anything in Aruba makes sense … but I believe the maximum penalty for that is six months, with deductions for time served?
If so, that would give him ample time to read his Bible in jail and make calls on his illicit cell phone. And that would be that.
It’s also worth noting that the trial that Beth’s lawsuit seeks is a CIVIL trial, not a criminal one. A friend with more legal knowledge than I have says that no possible jail sentence can emerge from that … unless something else comes out.
Or, as VietVet has suggested, unless Beth and her people have something up their sleeve that we don’t know about. Obviously, I don’t know if that is the case or it isn’t.
I don’t think that Patrick is a knave (though obviously deVries and he both stand to benefit from getting a “big name” such as Beth on their program; yet her appearance and their efforts did help shock the Netherlands … for a while), but I’m not sure to what degree Joran used him.
I don’t believe all of Joran’s tale, consistent though it may have been.
And, again, the whole thing seems just too much to happen in such a short time. I may well be wrong on that … but why would Deepak, with such vehemence, have called Natalee slutty in manner and dress? Why do that, if he wasn’t even around and had no involvement?
Katablog (#58) … I think that my main thesis still stands.
Either there was a cover-up on Aruba, involving an as-yet unknown number of people, or there was not.
If not, then Aruba has proven that its law is a sham, its constabulary are worse than Keystone Kops, its people are indifferent to injustice (who, other than Beth, spoke up on Aruba for the two security guards whom Beth proved were unjustly arrested? Nobody!), and, in short, it is no place that offers anyone a vestige of safety.
Aruba is a no-crime island … because crimes are erased from the books and nothing is done.
And a place where someone found burned, without arms or legs, is found to have committed suicide.
In short … Aruba is no fit place to go.
But we believe that there was, and is, a cover-up.
Which makes it even worse.
So whichever argument prevails, it’s a no-win situation for Aruba.
By the way, Nelson Oduber … remember that we were promised an investigation of the Natalee investigation? How’s that coming along?
Talked with Jan van der Straaten lately? No?
How about Dennis Jacobs, Gerald Dompig, Karin Janssen?
Anyone taking action against Paulus van der Scum for his unethical actions? No?
What happened to Jossy Mansur and his pledge (via e-mail) to me that he would take the lead in raising money on Aruba for the Persistence?
In short … what is going on there? Anything?
No? Then why should we lessen up on our efforts, as Patrick asks?
My cry remains:
No justice for Natalee…no tourists for Aruba.
Patti (#59) … Remember that our actions are independent of Beth. Those of us who showed up in Boston for the first protest, or for the later ones, didn’t do so at the instigation of Beth or Dave. Nor did they ask me to arrange them.
We did it because we thought it was the right thing to do.
The last I knew, Dave Holloway said that he no longer supported the boycott. I don’t understand his reasoning, but I respect it. That’s his right, just as Patrick has the right to oppose it.
My understanding is that Beth supports it still.
I think that most of us agree with her.
Miss Katie (#65) … If Patrick, or someone else, is copying comments from here and pasting them on his Website, that in my mind is theft … and is despicable as well.
If this is the case, can we think that it’s an attempt to draw publicity before his book comes out?
Richard:
You’re right on the mark!
Misskatie, i did not get an email from Patrick, did you???
Saying he’s not scared and that this is turning into a witch hunt
—
A witch hunt is when they used to chase down
a homely chick in the 1600′s and knee her right
in her li’l biscuit, assuming that she was a mistress of black magic…
Chasing after Joran Vandersloot for admitting that he had Natalee Ann Holloway chucked into the ocean, not knowing if she was completely dead or not…
Well, many just call that
COMMIN F’N SENSE,
Elmo just sayin’… Patrickkkkkkkkk!!!
-j4n
Have these f’rs just lost all their minnnnnds?
Is it something in the water???
The Hague is the world court.
-justice for natalee
Miss Katie #65:
So another anti-American, pro-Joran site is born.
WOO HOOO!!!
And, Patrick tried to sell himself off as a hero?
Typical…
.
There are no heros in Aruba. No one to help you
if you’re in harms way, no protection, no sympathy
and no compassion.
Stay OUT of Aruba, especially now. It’s like a
bomb that’s about to go off. Don’t let it go off
on you or a member of YOUR family. A week in a
paradise is not worth a lifetime of hell.
.
Boycott!
The reason Joran says they drove by the house
is because…
He was there & went in.
There’s evidence they can nail is
gan-raping woman hatin’ a$$ on.
WHAT WAS THAT? STORY CHANGE / REVISION #172 draft A?
They nailed him, putting his phone
or (some other things) IN THAT AREA
AT 1:40-ish in the am.
RIGHT AT THE VAN DER SLOOT HOTEL OF HORRORS de NOORD
So, he had to change up stories, and only
lie about what he could get away with.
He probably did even that, after they gave him and
his father enough time to f’n research it
on daaa INTERNETS, and smoke a big fat doobie
or two-bie.
Ya’ll come back to Aruba, YA HEARRRR? -j4n
Have I mentioned it in the last 1 or 18 posts
that I am still ***FURIOUS over their refusal to
jail him on ANY LAWS that he and his frankenfurter
of a father have broken?
We know it’s not right.
Nederlands knows it is just not right!
Aruba even knows it,
but they still do nothing.
Not even a simple, basic apology to the Holloways
that Joran Vandersloot had Natalee thrown into the
ocean. THEY BELIEVED IN THAT PIECE OF $, and he
totally peed on ‘em, called them all putas, and
laughed at them, behind their backs.
It just makes one sick, it does.
We could sit here all day blogging about Patrick, Joran, the father, the mother, and all the well known who’s involved. We could sit here all day blogging about how we turned the American public at Travel shows away from the Aruba booths. We could sit here all day blogging about AHATA, Oduber’s fantasy, strikes, and “rising” tourism numbers from a bootload of semi-employed Columbians. But in the end………it’s all the same.
We know the BOYCOTT is working, Aruba has lost 10′s of millions in American tourism dollars, the hotels are mostly empty, the airlines are not flying full, the restuarants have all the tables you’d like, downtown tourist jewelry shops are not selling enough, the average Aruban citizen isn’t making enough $$$ to get ahead, the BOYCOTT is taking a massive toll on a struggling Island, any semblence of positive opinion by the world community is completly dashed…….the list is endless.
And what does Aruba’s leadership do to help themselves? Nothing. They just don’t see it.
Well baby, the eye is blind when the mind is absent. You can’t wonder why they are known as half-witted Sand Pigs.
Misskatie, did you get an email????
which brings us back to why, Bob, why would Aruba let 3 “boys” actions take down the economy of Aruba???? Why not just say, we are suffering, the people of Aruba are suffering…lets bring those boys back in, get to the bottom of this, and let the island prosper……who could have that much power??????
BTW, I did not get an email from Patrick if anyone is counting.
Next, Patrick is using his site as an anti-boycott site now (which is his privilege) I just want to make sure everyone knows.
There’s also some suspicious posts there including one claiming their sister was injured here in the US and didn’t get justice because of corrupt law enforcement. I think it’s one of those Aruba paid posters.
Patrick also is not posting my comments – so his railing about SM shutting off free speech and the KKK comments can also be ignored.
Perhaps Patrick is now a paid shill for the Aruba ATA?
Good luck Patrick. Remember not to bite the hand that feeds you though.
Lastly, my boycott of Aruba really isn’t based on Beth – I mean it’s based on the way Beth and Dave were treated, but I would not stop calling for a boycott even if Beth said she didn’t support a boycott.
I planned to BUY patrick’s book,but I may change my mind.
BOYCOTT ARUBA THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR OWN.
i missed something… how do i find patricks blog?
Just 1 word for Aruba! BURN!!!
patrick can say anything he wants. but he is ignoring the obvious. no justice = no tourists
he needs to pull his head out of his backside
and face reality. sheeeeeeesh
boycott baby – maybe aruba tourism can stick that in their crack pipe and blow chunks with that. they seem to addicted to idiocy
the reason the protection of 3 punks continues
is because the old men were involved in the watching of yung women being raped.
if they convict the 3 punks of raping, drugging and murder the 3 punks will spill the beans
what evil webs they have live in.
Right #84: to Patrick we can forget everything that happened in the past and now move on and pretend it didn’t happen because after all, it’s the past.
What Patrick doesn’t acknowledge is that until the past is corrected, it’s still on going. Until the investigators who covered-up for Joran are brought to justice, the injustice continues. Until the missing evidence is brought out in the open, it’s a continued action of corruption. Until Aruba admits that Joran confessed to them early on, they are still covering up.
There ARE people on the one crappy little island that know the truth and until they tell it, it’s ongoing corruption.
Patrick is in denial and somehow has made himself the moral judge of others, condemning us who know more about the case than him. His blog is filled with condemnation for anyone who doesn’t support his ideals. It’s my belief that Patrick was at SM to collect information for his book. He has now become Aruba’s latest weapon to end the voluntary boycott.
YOU 8 BOYCOTTER KIDS, SHOULD BE ASKING KLAASEND
FOR EXPLAINATIONS,
ABOUT CASE IN THE NETHERLANDS, THE RESPONSIBLE
DUTCHMEN ARE HANDLING THE CASE, ALL ARTISTS OF
THE CIRCUS ARE IN THE NETHERLANDS.
I DID NOT SEE ANY ONE OF YOU ASK KLAASEND FOR
EXPLANATIONS….SHE IS DUTCH…..TIPICAL…
DE VRIES STYLE……THIS IS VERY TIPICAL OF THE
DUTCHMEN OF HOLLAND.
THEY INSIST TO BE YOUR FRIEND, AFTER THEY GET ALL
INFO THEY NEED, THEY STAB YOU A KNIFE IN THE BACK
….VERY TIPICAL…..COWARDS…
YOU THINK KLAASEND IS ON YOU SIDE ?
YES,? CAUSE YOU DONT KNOW THE DUTCHMEN OF
HOLLAND.
DID DUTCH JUDGE RULE IN FAVOUR OF BETH OR JORAN ?
_____________________________
SM: Normally I just delete your rediculous posts but decided to go ahead and approve this one. You couldn’t be MORE wrong! I don’t have an ounce of Dutch in my blood. Go ahead and believe what you want, just as I will believe what I want about this case. (klaasend)
OF 304.OOO.OOO US CITIZENS 8 BOYCOTTERS ON
HERE ARE AGAINST ARUBA…
WONDER WHY THE BOYCOTT NEVER WORKED??
ALMOST 3 YEARS……..HAVE PASSED.
Wonder why Aruba keeps sending posters here telling us that the boycott hasn’t worked?
Guess that Nelson Oduber didn’t know what he was talking about when, in February, he said that the Aruban economy has “already” lost tens of millions of dollars … specifically because of the Natalee Holloway case.
Bob (#77) … Actually, Aruba’s leaders do one thing. They send their agents to ScaredMonkeys and other blogs to criticize the boycott and its proponents. As if that were going to deter us.
They could, of course, take action in Natalee’s case … but that idea seems to elude them.
i just got an email from patrick and he is asking me if I have any further comments to post them on his website… probably all this going in his book geez.. i went there last night and all our names our there.. he took from vickys email to us…
like i said its all for his book all our comments are there.. he cut n pasted them.. our names even my last name that he got from the fowarded email thats scarry
#84 dinosaur…..i have always believed exactly that. the old men as you call them are the ones that joran is protecting. he’s the scapegoat. BUT, I do believe that Joran, the Kalpoes, and Freddy were involved in her rape. i believe that the old men were also. all of the old men from the top, down. from what i have read, this is a common practice, just that “something went terribly wrong” this time with natalee. The filming of these rapes is where freddy comes in. i believe the young boys, the “pimp club” were sent in to scope the young girls out. i believe those clubs and casinos and more than likely the hotels have hidden cameras also scoping out the young girls. the card dealers, the bartenders(guido weaver), the so called VBC security officers(geffory van cromvoirt’s father). all of them are involved. it seems like every time you turn a stone over there is something or someone evil under it. another evil practice going on on that cesspool of an island. the more you research and read the more vile and evil the island becomes. and yes, there are good people on that island who have kept quiet. i think they are afraid to speak out. but until someone does muster up enough courage to speak out, until the aruban peoples stand up and say , enough is enough, give natalee justice so our island can heal, then the boycott will continue, the island will suffer economically and there will be no peace.
and #86 aruba…..”A person standing alone can be attacked and defeated, but two men can stand back-to-back and conquer.”
Ecclesiastes 4:12 NLT
or 8 protestors back-to-back!!
BTW, i HAVE written to the Hague, to the PM Jan Peter Balkenende,Christiaan Kroner to the queen herself and i received a reply that stated “the dutch government is not involved in the handling of this case. please refer your correspondence to the aruban officials”. which I did and to this day there has been no response. am I surprised?
THEY INSIST TO BE YOUR FRIEND, AFTER THEY GET ALL
INFO THEY NEED, THEY STAB YOU A KNIFE IN THE BACK
….VERY TIPICAL…..COWARDS…
…
Kinda like the gang-raping
sexual predatory VANDERSLOOT
family of Aruba, huh? The ones that
stalk all the girlies at the
PALM BEACH HOTEL MOTEL
HOLIDAY INNNNNN
Hey GVC, were you rollin’ hidden cam on that?
GVC SETS ‘EM UP, AND THE
PIMPS GET WARNING CALLS,
TO COME TAKE ‘EM ON DOWNNNNN.
Come dance in Aruba, esey… and by dance they
mean: Getting run over by Joran & the Kalpoe brothers, shot in the head and tossed in the
drink.
Keep the hater posts comin’ please.
It gives people rocket fuel!
> Boycott Aruba
ARUBAN BEACH CAMS should be turned off to save
energy, at this juncture.
ARUBA HAS NOBODY
A link to Julia’s price list.
http://tinyurl.com/2yw2dy
-j4n
If he uses quotes from us without our permission and puts our real name on them, isnt that plagerism or something…..help me out here Bob or Richard….
Some can’t post at work, but Mum needs info. When Ramona Tejada-Rodriguez was arrested in Secaucus, her occupation was given as jewelry sales.
My boycott of Aruba is a personal choice based on this case. Unless and until there is justice for Natalee, I’ll never again set foot on that ornate patch of volcanic quicksand again.
In my one and only trip there, the year before Natalee, I got a taste of Aruban lowlife first hand. We had driven to Baby Beach, which is scenic if you like beaches with a clear view of an oil refinery a mile or so away up the coast. BTW, on our way to BB, we noticed a prison that was only minutes away from that beach.
After visiting the beach, as we headed back to the Holiday Inn, I stopped for gas at a nearby Valero self-serve station. While filling up, this evil looking, grubily dressed dude walks over to my windshield, starts spraying some clear liquid on it, then starts wiping it down with a dirty rag.
After gassing up, I went inside the convenience store to pay up, and complained to the female manager on duty about the creep soiling my windshield. She said she has complained numerous times to the police about him, but they’ve done nothing to stop it. In hindsight, isn’t that a total shock?
I returned to driver’s side seat, and waited for the creep to finish his life’s work. When he was done, he walked over to my window, and demanded in a menacing voice to be paid. The windshield was worse than before he started, but I felt not giving in to the shakedown could be hazardous to my health. I handed him two American dollars, then drove off. In my rearview mirror I could see the manager and Mr. Washit (an obvious frequent boarder at the nearby prison) having a friendly chat.
Ah yes – Aruba – one CRAPPY ISLAND!
Boycott it to hell!
#94…..live webcams show bucuti beach – 0, Tara Beach – 7, Radisson – pool – 4, bar-4, Playa Linda pool- 4 !!
business is booming!
Richard (#67) said, “who, other than Beth, spoke up on Aruba for the two security guards whom Beth proved were unjustly arrested? Nobody!”
I recall that the security guards were released by an Aruban Judge following their first evidentiary hearing. I am pretty sure that Beth did not tetify at that hearing.
#92: IF patrick is using SM comments in his book, one thing is for sure, he’s not using all comments. On his blog he has deleted more than one of mine that call him out for the wrong things he has said.
As far as the legality of it all – check with a lawyer. I do remember a case many years back where the owner of a forum used discussion on his forum in a book and it was ruled that it was okay. Not sure when he steals it from another forum – and yes, I’d be real mad if he used someone’s real name and email address. There can’t be any question that using your email addresses that he got from someone else’s email is not above board. Some of all of this may depend on SM’s TOS which may need to be firmed up a bit if all this is true.
*Note to Elmo:
Patrick should be looked into just a wee bit further, from all angles.
Sumpin’ ain’t smelling right.
#82ladydi on
Dotratc … You’re evading my question. What Arubans spoke up to defend the security guards, who were arrested on no evidence but the word of the people last seen with Natalee?
Nobody.
Who denounced their arrests after they were freed?
Nobody.
Who on Aruba spoke up for justice at all?
Nobody.
Point made. You don’t need to bring it up again.
http://patrickvandereem.nl/
this is for #82 ladydi on
at her equest
klaasend
can patrick do that use a person email and real name..first and last… name.. (like 101 katalblog ) and I are talking about.. .. patrick has used mine on his website..that he got off vickys emails to us.. what if he uses my info in a book
just wondering.. whats yours take?
________________________
SM: If you send someone an email, or if they recieve a forwarded email that has your email addy and real name in it there’s not much you can do. It’s not proper or fair to publish someones email address or real name but it’s also not illegal as far as I know. (klaasend)
Kaye (#92) … Check out, on the Internet, the Blue Orchid Wonderland project … or hunt up the url and article I posted about this some time ago.
This was an international pedophile ring that was broken up, or at least uncovered, in 2001 in the UK. According to the article, those animals who wanted to get in had to post 10,000 (you read that right, TEN THOUSAND) images of abused children, as young as one year old.
I’ve long grappled with the question of why the Aruban cover-up has been in place so long … and why some people there are willing to see the island go into the sewer (where it belongs). I just can’t think it’s all about PvdScum and the three punk kids.
Probably PvdS has something on other officials there. If so, I’d assume it involved the drug trade. But this still isn’t enough, to me.
There must be something about Natalee’s case that would be so disreputable to Aruba and members of its government that they don’t dare let the truth be revealed. Something that would for certain involve prosecution, even by the Dutch.
For years, I thought that the logical explanation was human trafficking, whether pre-intended or (more likely) as a means of getting rid of Natalee if she woke up, or whatever, and pleasing some drug contact in the process. (Not to mention psychological torment.)
I no longer think that is a likely explanation.
Could be wrong.
If not, then Freddy and his penchant for filming porn comes to mind as the most likely alternative.
That, too, is something that would keep Aruba off the list for most spring break groups forever … or so I would think, at least.
We KNOW that the Blue Orchid project existed. We KNOW what people had to do to join in. We KNOW that online porn and porn movies are worldwide.
Is this a possible explanation? No proof … but I’m still bemused as to why Paulus van der Scum went to Florida some months after the Natalee case became public.
His explanation was that he visited the school that Joran wanted to attend, and told them that he wouldn’t be going there after all.
The need for him to go there for that purpose is obvious nonsense. Was something darker at work?
Sweet_thang
it’s great to hear true personal incidents such as the experience you had at the gas station
aruba will never regain the respect if any people had and tourism will never be the same..
thanks for sharing
katie
always 1
yes I HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL EMAILS FROM PATRICK AND U?
no misskatie, i havent got any…and Richard, Im with you…you just say it better…what possible thing could bring more money to the island than tourists???? or what could terrify so many people if it came out????
so, what has happened, has someone told Patrick to get the monkeys off their back? (ha) or is this infomation just to boost his book….
Richard, it all comes down to (i think) what of any of those things could be more lucretive than the tourist business or scarier if it came out than the murder and coverup of Natalee….I would welcome any one elses thoughts…..just rip the band aide…..and say it.
Richard (#104), I was not evading your question; I was making a point about your claim that Beth proved their innocence.
But since you asked, I recall that the family and friends of John and Jones (all Arubans) spoke up for them by providing them with alibis. They also were represented by Aruban attorneys and ultimately (actually, fairly quickly given the minimal standards necessry for custodial detention on Aruba) they were released by an Aruban Judge. So, not only do I think that you are mistaken when you say that Beth proved that they were not guilty, I also think that you are wrong when you say that no Arubans stood up for them.
By the way, only one of the two guards (I don’t remember which one it was) has been released from suspect status so I guess I also disagree with your claim that they have been proven innocent.
Wow!
Where do I start:
Always 1 – I don’t particularly care if anyone agrees with me regarding the history and religious practices of Aruba. However, your trying to act psychic and laughing as you said, “look at all the people running to the Lighthouse” was a bit too much. The disappearance of Natalee is serious, not a joke.
And for those that think that it’s not possible for alot of people to be involved, then, please provide me with a logical explanation for Oduber’s speach that was announced over the radio during the time the bodies from the rocks were to be removed.
.
Richard:
I think it has alot to do with human trafficking. Where do you think they get these boys and girls for their monthly ceremonies for the cleansing of their sins?
Please, before you get distracted by the amount of porn, which we also know is related to kidnapping and trafficking; study the history of Aruba. I read that these ceremonies are held monthly based on the Arawak calander which is based on the position of the stars. You know the number of people who go missing in that area of the world and everyone is smart enough to know that civilizations like this one was probably pushed underground a long time ago. The fact that Oduber is proud of his Arawak heritage, as is Hugo Chavez, and has announced it to the world; may have been a sign to his people that they were free to practice their religion, openly.
Whether the Arawak Nation is made up of 90 or 10% of the population in Aruba is not important and is hard to assertain from his statement. Both sides would be embarrassed, wouldn’t they; if they were exposed, as in the case of the Arawak, or if they were stupid enough to NOT know that they were living among savages, as would be the case for the others.
I’ve been posting about the Arawaks for over six months and no one has been able to dispute it. In my opinion, it explains why the body in the bush is wearing a loin cloth and was killed in such a savage way. Even that is described at various sites and history books. It also explains the reason for there being several bodies found at the rocks that day. One for every tribe. For now, I am interested in trying to get more information about the boy who worked at the Lighthouse when Natalee went missing who died of seizures on June 6 and the teenage girl who’s death was reported by the mortuary on the same day. Both were buried AFTER June 8.
Does anybody have any more information about their presumed deaths and their heritage?
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Katablog:
I agree with everything you’ve said. But, I’m curious. I have never visited his Patrick’s site and, yet, he has my e-mail address. Are any of my comments posted to his site?
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Miss Katie:
I doubt that he will publish any of our names or personal data in his book. That would be an invasion of privacy… but, in my opinion, many of the things that he is doing are illegal. I still wonder about his father. His brother lives in Aruba, but, where does his father live?
I consider anything that I write to be my property, in a sense. Certainly, he would not have the right to republish my writings, would he?
.
Lastly, anyone who thinks that there are only eight people in support of this boycott, you need to think again. Like Richard said, go ask your own Prime Minister what effect the boycott has had on his economy. There are many people that support this boycott that don’t care to take the time to blog, but are smart enough to recognize pure corruption when they see it!
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And we all see it, right there, in Aruba…
Boycott!
P.S.
I hate their way of thinking…
only eight people…
‘only ONE girl’
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Justice for Natalee!
oh Patti, what did i say to make you think I didnt care about Natalee….I wouldnt be here if I didnt and as far as the deviant practices of the island…I just said I hoped that wasnt the case…..
PATTI
thanks for the info smiles
katie
misskatie,
Thanks for the “thumbs up” at 108. Upon further reflection, I recall that gas station mgr telling me Mr Squeegee only went after tourists with his shakedown routine. Thanks to the boycott, if he’s not currently incarcerated, he’ll have fewer touristas to descend upon. Guess he’ll be going on strike any time now….
One of my other memories of “OCI” (hint: last word is Island), is going on a cruise one night on the Tattoo, a party boat decked with Christmas lights that docked just off the beach at the Holiday Inn. Joranus pal Stephen Croes was there that night DJ’ing as I recall. He looked extremely streetwise, like someone you don’t want to mess with. I was shocked when his name surfaced in the Natalee “investigation”, not at his possible involvement, but at his reported age – 26 I believe. He looked closer to 40. Must be the many nights of partying on the Tattoo! He certainly struck me as a “Daury” type, if you know what I mean!
#107 richard….i remember that article about Blue Orchid.i don’t think you can access the website anymore. and i agree with you. i think there is a connection maybe the internet cafe where deepak worked was a cover.he had the ways and means to do the “transmitting” of the photos. didn’t i read somewhere that he had gone back to the cafe to remove some things from his harddrive there? maybe i’m dreaming that. just a thought. he spoke of “taking the camera to freddy” (jorans best friend who dled the country a few days after natalees disappearance and hasn’t been heard from since). deepak had porno playing in his car when natalee was in the car with joran. there has to be one common denominator between every one of the guilty upper echileon. i think you have nailed it. ponography, human trafficking, drugs, money laundering. i believe it is a common practice on this cesspool of an island. i believe that everyone on aruba knows this and they know exactly what happened to natalee but keep quiet for fear of retaliation or death for themselves or their families. for an island of 75 sq miles and of so few inhabitants, 100,000, it would appear that the few in power (the dutchies) keep the locals, the hard-working peoples under their thumbs with fear. what other explanation could it be that someone, just one person will not come forward? when the few young girls did come forward with accusations about joran drugging them and raping them, days later they “changed their story”. way too many unanswered questions. like i said before, every time you turn over one evil stone there is something more evil!!
a hell of alot more people in support of the boycott .. im glad its working
always 1 on April 15th, 2008 9:36 pm
Misskatie, did you get an email????
WHY DID U ASK ALWAYS 1
misskatie, i just wondered if it was the older monkeys that got the emails….i didnt get one.
Katie #120:
Me, TOO!!!
I love your perspective, Rome wasn’t built in a day. It really helped me get a true perspective of how important it is to continue with our work. And, this thing with Patrick is a REAL eye-opener as to the desperateness that some must feel to stop us.
To them I say… go tell it to Oduber. And to Patrick, if you know us well enough to feel that you can send us a personal letter, then you know what it’s going to take to end the boycott… besides, do you, honestly, think you are the first one to threaten us with words?
.
He’s not a monkey, but he sure is scared!
LOL!!!
SWEET THANG
realy must be the party life mixed with the sun.. I hear weather like that ruins your skin.. so did you say joran was there.. what kind of feeling did you pick up on from that guy anyways?
and how was the atmosphere in aruba… did you feel safe…
katie
Also, one more point.
I heard it said that Dave does not support the boycott and, while I can’t speak for him, his actions speak louder than words. It was he that arranged for the Persistance to search the waters of Aruba and the action of his crew to keep us informed of their operations shows that there is alot of support that we recieve from him.
And, for that, and the many things that he has done in the past; we thank him. He is the epidemy of a true father, forever, loving, kind, understanding and persistant in his ways.
God Bless Dave and the whole Holloway family!
.
patti
we are much needed to support the boycott. each and everyone of us our voices are having a big effect.on aruba…. more so after patrick surfaced to try to influence us to stop the boycott.. only makes me think were making progress.. we must continue the course that we are on..
united we stand
to make a difference as we see happening now.. why else would they be getting desperate enough to come here and to encourage patrick to contact us via email… means were making progress..
i see what happened now…some of you sent emails to Vickie….Patrick somehow got the email addresses…..he wrote to each of you and the ones that answered back, he posted your comments.
Now the only question is:
What kind of person would try to present himself as a personal friend of Beths and say those things? Especially, knowing the way she must feel after going through this hell for nearly three years? No ‘friend’ would do that? All that talk about how he, personally, knows, from Beth’s reaction, that she is at peace with what happened to her daughter?!?! If that was true and she is at peace, why would he try to stir the pot and take, from her, the ones that have shown her support from the very beginning?
He says he’s a lion.
Well, perhaps he is…
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Light the Fires!
.
ive got the match!!!!!
ALWAY 1
CORRECT THAT IS WHAT PETER DID
#21 lin…very well said… and remember Dave Holloway is not for boycotting Aruba either. So
we should not try to make Patrick who was raised in Aruba out to be such horrible person, that is wrong to do. Stop judging him and look at your motive. Lets keep focusing on the Boycott and putting the murderers in jail.
I HAVE NOT A MATCH
BUT A TORCH!!!
Patti #114: Reptilian humanoids are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at manipulation and control of humanity. Most of the world’s leaders, from William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush to members of the British royal family, are in fact related to the 7-foot tall, blood-drinking reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconis.
Can you show me proof that this is not true?
I guess your cannibal shtick continues.
It was funny at first…now it just sounds like the rantings of a lunatic. imo.
Yo Yo:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but in your case, you are much too busy trying to defend your own heritage, or lack thereof; to take the time to learn about others.
Besides, you need to take that up with Oduber, as far as the Arawak thing is concerned. He’s the one that said that he was proud to be one… not me. That’s the problem with people like you. You would rather call someone a lunatic than to take the time to find the truth, for yourself.
And Cannibalism? Why don’t you do a word search and see if it exists and where… you may be surprised how cannibalism is something that is widely accepted in some societies. But, that’s okay, Yo Yo, I understand; your experience is limited and the mention of the word, merely, brings back memories of Jeffrey Dahmer… limited, in your thinking, to that which you’re familiar with – no more, no less.
Sharon:
I don’t know who Patrick supports anymore. All I know is that he sent me letters, more than one. Some people think that Vicki had given him our addresses, but, I know that she wouldn’t give him mine as I have, specifically, requested that she never share that information with anyone… she assured me she would never do that. So how does this person get my address, if he didn’t steal it?
Maybe you need to read the first letter he sent us. He mocks Scared Monkeys, specifically. IMHO – You’re either with us or against us and he made his position, perfectly, clear. He’s just another one of the many Arubans that have put their own interests ahead of Natalee’s. At one time, there were those that thought that Karin Janssen was going to do a professional job. What a disappointment she was!
And now, there’s Patrick who, as far as I’m concerned, is only interested in putting an end to the boycott, rather than seeking Justice, for Natalee! Okay, Folks, Boycott’s over… we know the truth now, but do we really? Or is it just another scam perpetrated by another corrupt piece of (you know what)?
This letter business, sure makes me wonder…
P.S.
No one is ‘judging’ him. We are, simply trying to reason why he would do such a thing. Is it ‘judging’ when you walk away from a liar… or is it common sense?
Obviously, you and your friend Lin didn’t receive a letter; otherwise you’d be furious! And to not be concerned when someone says that he has gathered some Scared Monkey posters’ personal information?
Give me a break…
And with that… I bid you farewell.
Good Night!
(Sakes Alive)
the aruba STENCH is rotten
i dont want to go on a rant, so i wont
but aruba is a nation of zombies.
YOYO
why do you continue to come here and criticize comments made by poster.that are only here for justice for natalee … arent we all here for the same reason because we are here to seek justice for natalee..???
are you not here for the same cause?
or are you just trying to seek attention be it negative or not..you repeatedly critique the comments of others.. why waste so much energy on the negative.. first it was me and brie… than now it’s patti”’ what is your problem.. pray tell!! is life that miserable for you that you have to make it miserable for others????
TRY TO BE NICE!!
I dont dislike you .. personaly I just think your miserable and want to make everyone else around you miserable.. your forgetting that the cause is justice for natalie… not … attention for yoyo muffin…
always your comments are full of sourcasm to other posters…
try to be nice ok…
you may make a few friends in the process… is has to be miserable where you are..
yikes
here it comes
revenge of yoyo…
bracing myself !!
THIS WASNT NECESSARY YOYO MUFFIN
Patti #114: Reptilian humanoids are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at manipulation and control of humanity. Most of the world’s leaders, from William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush to members of the British royal family, are in fact related to the 7-foot tall, blood-drinking reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconis.
Can you show me proof that this is not true?
I guess your cannibal shtick continues.
It was funny at first…now it just sounds like the rantings of a lunatic. imo.
Dotratc (#113) … If you wish to respond to issues that I raise, please state what I say correctly.
Beth brought out the security tapes from the Holiday Inn and demonstrated that Natalee had not been brought back to her hotel. That idea of reviewing the tapes never seemed to occur to Aruba’s finest (if that is not an oxymoron).
On the basis of that proof, she made it clear that the story that J2K told was a lie. Do you doubt that, had Beth not been so active, the two guards would have been jailed, sentenced, and the case of Natalee Holloway would have been ‘solved’?
When I say that no Arubans stood up for them, my point is that nobody (to my knowledge) ever spoke out about their arrests, questioned the government on what happened, or denounced the Aruban police for this … or for letting the three people last seen with Natalee stay out of jail for ten days or so.
It’s Beth who stood up. Arubans did nothing.
SweetThang (#118) … Would you consider giving us more of an ‘insider’s view of Aruba? For example, did the chollers seem to roam around freely? Were people out in the open selling drugs (and were tourists buying them)? Did you feel at ease on Aruba, or the reverse?
I’m sure we’d all be interested in hearing about your reactions … and, please, when you were there.
Kaye (#119) … We should also remember that, somehow, the Kalpoes’ uncle (?) raised the money to buy the Internet cafe where they worked. I presume that he is still the owner; if anyone knows better than I do, please say so.
I don’t think we can conclude that all of the “ruling Dutch elite” on Aruba are guilty of all the crimes under the sun.
However, I do suspect (no proof) that PvdS, who is said to have Venezuelan and Colombian connections, may well have drug trade contacts.
I don’t think it’s that rare of a thing on Aruba … my understanding is that Aruba works closely with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency.
Think for a moment … who is better placed to steer the DEA in one direction, and away from another, than the local people who work with it?
In other words, turn in those who aren’t in “our gang” and promote those who are. Makes sense.
I’ve posted articles on this before: it’s been demonstrated (take note, Patti!) time and time again that human trafficking, drug trafficking, arms trafficking are all linked. The gangs who do these things are often one and the same; the routes overlap.
That doesn’t mean 100% overlapping, of course.
But these are the “Big Three” criminal activities worldwide, and are interconnected. Money laundering is also a mainstay in the Caribbean.
A lax environment such as Aruba is a place where porn is likely to be a big business. The Internet makes worldwide transmission easy; and
there are numbers of, for example, Caribbean “sex camps” and lots of private islands.
I’m persuaded that something is big on Aruba … drug trafficking, no doubt … but while not everyone in the Aruban government is corrupt (I think, anyway), we’ve heard eloquent testimony about the climate of fear that reigns there.
It seems that a lot of people are terrified about something. Remember what that woman in the public prosecutor’s office who quit after they refused to prosecute Joran said … she thought she was under surveillance, and her phone was being tapped. Read her remarks in Beth’s book … if she dared speak up, she’d have to leave Aruba.
The corrupt there seem to have a lot of weapons to deploy. But then again, we know that Pitbull, whose arms and legs were cut off and whose body was left in a cave popular with tourists, committed suicide.
At least, that’s what ALE told us.
Just read Patrick van der Eem’s link. Did he get hired by the Chamber of Commerce in Aruba while over there “researching” his book? Doesn’t it seem all the players in this case have a hidden agenda? When some sort of punishment is meted out to the perps, only then would the boycott be irrelevant IMO.
As I’ve said before, Patrick’s thoughts on whether to boycott Aruba or not is not the issue with me. The holier than thou attitude, the selective posting of posts at his site while he degrades others for not allowing free speech, the refusal to recognize the real issues of why the boycott continues and the right of others to have a differing opinion than his – while once again condemning SM for banning obnoxious people: all these are my problems with Patrick.
It doesn’t take away that he exposed Joran but these things do show to me that he’s playing both sides and not fairly.
PVDS WHO IS THAT PAUULUS?
apparently tourism is not a priority for aruba..
and … maybe patricks sudden change of mind could partly be because of money given to him or perhaps he was threatened.. or by the fact that people in his family living in aruba are loosing their business……..
Richard:
Do you know if Paulus, actually, worked in the department of immigration, issuing work permits, which would have given him an opportunity to participate with human traffickers and line his pocket with their money?
Again, the perps and ALE, itself, wondered why we would go to this length over only “one” girl when in fact there may be thousands of girls who are victim to the same type of crime… kidnap and murder. People have often wondered about how Paulus supports his lifestyle.
Again, you have brought up the death of Pitbull, and it is wise to remember that after his arms, legs and head were cut off, his organs removed, I suppose with what was described as hundreds of stab wounds, his carcass was set afire.
Is it true that Pitbull was a bouncer at the bar that Deepak stopped at, before heading North towards the lighthouse?
As bad as it sounds, there may be multiple crimes that were committed against Natalee before she was killed. I believe that she died on June 8, nine days after she was kidnapped. Why would ALE give these criminals time to do all these things before, seriously, looking at the Paulus’ as suspects?
Again, I think that there is a multitude of people involved in human trafficking on Aruba… a VERY lucrative crime. But, I also believe that there is a common thread that runs through this Aruban organization of crime and that is the Arawak Nation.
We know, for instance that JVC knew that Natalee was a virgin. It was after she told him, that she was moved to a different room, where JVC and his father could have, easily, set up surveilance. And while JVC had no luck with Natalee, along comes Joran, then Paulus and Voila! within hours, she disappeared.
Could it be that these people sell virgins to the Arawak Nation, for their human sacrifices after they have filmed them, etc? And, now, are hiding behind the reputaion of the Arawak Indian for protection? In other words, they both have alot to lose if their “secrets” get out!
So, one dirty hand washes another.
Patti, you are correct that I did not read “the/a letter that Patrick sent”.
AND, again, I am not doing this because I don’t support the Boycott. What was done to Natalee is heartbreaking, and we have ALL cried over and over for her. To see her face in the bag with her hair all curled, looking like a princess, even after she had suffered such a dreadful death is overwhelming. I have a daughter, and a son; and if anyone did that to my daughter, I’d want everyone’s support in finding her and getting to the truth as to what happened. But, in this case the truth is EVEN more painful.
I have given two years of my life to this cause. I have spent hours researching, staying up ALL night sometimes reading material that might shed light on who and why someone would do such a thing or why the Prime Minister, himself, would ORDER the crime to be covered. And this is what I came up with.
It was you that asked me for my help, personally… and I have given it. But, I can’t live in a state of fear. I have my own family to take care of and worry about and any time spent on this case, is time taken away from the people that I love.
Fact is, no one wants to know the truth. It doesn’t sink into their hearts and minds and all I get is criticism. Not one person has ever thanked me for the work I’ve done, not even you. So it’s time for me to move on.
The Kalpoes will talk one day and like me, they will sing a poison song that no one wants to hear, much less believe. They will be mocked, laughed at and prosecuted for a crime that they never committed… and in the end there will be no justice… besides, could there ever be enough justice to take away the pain that we have all gone through because of the death of this ‘one’ child?
I think not.
To go through all these motions, which takes alot of effort on our part, is enough. Like I said, the family of Natalee Holloway have received everything they need, to know what happened to Natalee; someone saw to that. But, knowing what happened doesn’t bring justice, only pain and suffering.
.
kaye
did I mention that your also an awesome person… when I stated that there were many cool people here.
I was wondering if anyone was served a sopena yet? So Joran is in the ward recovering/therapy. I bet he does not get to go out on weekends? or are the spottings true?
His attorney is keeping him there so that he will not have to testify… wonder if he could be exempt from ever testifying, lets say if he is there for six months or a years time?
I’m sure Paulus is rehersing his lies and contemplating how to word everything that comes out of his mouth…. but that is useless to do because Joran will screw up once more and Paulus will freak out….Then they both will be locked up for good!
Sharon:
It’s okay…
.
Yo Yo, My Friend:
You have been after me since the day I arrived and I will miss you; but, please, give these people peace. Let them do their work.
Farewell…
.
Angie:
I will always love and care for you. You are the one that brings a smile to my face, everytime I think of you. You are the one that is like the battery that keeps us charged up and ready to work, in all your kindness, willingness to share, and your lovely sense of humor.
You can keep this going… and I know you will.
God Bless You, Forever and Ever!
.
Amen.
.
SWEET THANG
“realy must be the party life mixed with the sun.. I hear weather like that ruins your skin.. so did you say joran was there.. what kind of feeling did you pick up on from that guy anyways?
and how was the atmosphere in aruba… did you feel safe…
katie”
katie,
Forgive the long response time, but I do what I can. No, joran was not yet imfamous when I went to Aruba, but I don’t recall seeing any 6’5″ man-child goons lurking around the Tattoo’s dance floor. My memory of joran’s buddy Stephen(?) Croes is he had the eyes of a shark – you don’t mess with someone like that. He did nothing menacing, other than play music I loathed. As that night ended, the Tattoo docked offshore, and we were ferried back to shore in a small boat – kind of like the one joran described to DeVries involving “Daury” and Natalee.
As for whether I felt safe in Aruba? My gas station adventure near Baby Beach was unnerving to say the least. Also, somewhere along the line we were told by a native(cab driver I think), to be careful about being “downtown” after dark. By “downtown” he meant the area where Carlos N Charlies is or was. We did drive through the area one night, and as we stopped for a red light, we were approached by an unsavory character who thought we might be looking to buy drugs. They stand in the middle of the street approaching stopped cars, looking to do a “leetle biz”. That one approach was enough to persuade us to head back to the “sanctity” of Palm Beach.
OCI – leave it or leave it! Better yet, boycott!
Klassand, does Patti live on Aruba? is that why she lives in “state of fear” is that why she will not post any more???
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SM: No, Patti does not live in Aruba and I have no idea why she claims to live in a “state of fear”. I have no idea why she is deciding not to post any more. (klaasend)
HUH KLAASEND AND ALWAY 1 PATTI IS POSTING..
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SM: Patti implied she was going to stop posting. (klaasend)
Patti, I don’t know what to say. None of us get thanks for being here or for posting our ideas; I don’t know who would be in a position to do so.
I certainly hope you don’t take off … and I think that if any of us felt “threatened,” it probably would be Vicki and me in particular, plus all the others whose photos have been put on the “hate sites.”
And I’ve written a lot of letters to the people in Aruba … so if they wanted to come after me, they could. But it doesn’t worry me, really.
The kids of today would say, chill out. Don’t give up.
By the way, apparently Patrick van der Eem is claiming that he has “connections” with Hans Mos or someone else in the prosecutor’s office. He purports to know what they are doing.
I’m not really in a position to say … but I don’t think that his claim holds water. We’ll see.
Patti says: “To see her face in the bag with her hair all curled”
Her hair was straight. Forgetting the fact that you cannot see thru a bag @ 70dpi from a video still without magic powers…I would love to hear about when & why it was “curled”.
tia.
Patti wasnt that crazy about my ideas but i hate to see her quit posting and it really worries me that she feels scared…
Known as one of the Caribbean’s safest islands, crime in Aruba is rare. It is always wise, however, to be careful and use common sense. Pickpockets and purse-snatchers do still exist, and you still should never leave valuables unattended.
On rare occasions, armed robbery and car theft have occurred. Vehicle leases or rental contracts may not be fully covered by local insurance when a vehicle is stolen or damaged, so make sure you are sufficiently covered when renting cars and jet skis. Keep emergency contacts handy in your rental vehicles. Report crime to the police by dialing 11100. For the fire department, call 115.
It should be noted that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teenager who disappeared during a class trip to Aruba, is extremely unusual. Crime against tourists is almost nonexistant on this beautiful island, and travelers can vacation here without fear. However, it is always wise to take the precautions one would take in any major city, such as avoiding getting into cars with strangers, overtly displaying wealth, and entering bad areas of the city at night.
U.S. citizens may refer to the Department of State’s pamphlet,”A Safe Trip Abroad,” for tips to ensure a crime-free journey. The pamphlet is available by mail from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C. 20402, via the Internet at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/, or through the Bureau of Consular Affairs’ home page at http://travel.state.gov.
When visiting any place on vacation travelers should be careful, and Aruba is no exception. Still, this peaceful island has many visitors who return yearly without incident.
who they think they are fooling.
richard you said
By the way, apparently Patrick van der Eem is claiming that he has “connections” with Hans Mos or someone else in the prosecutor’s office. He purports to know what they are doing.
it seems like his connections are that they made him an offer he couldnt refuse…
by the godfather of aruba
and all his cornflake eating cronies
dont tell me that tony the tiger lives in aruba
its enough to make me take my box of cornflakes to the garbage…and never eat another bowl
But you know, every single thing you type online or say on the phone (cell or otherwise) everything you send by fax or blackberry or any device can be traced back to you….so why would Patti be afraid….does anyone know her personally and know something else….
patti
are you leaving out of fear or just a sense of hopelessness .I am sorry to hear that you have been threatened… why would they waste their time trying to hurt us…do you think they actualy would.. I dont know what to think any more….. .. maybe you feel burned out..because you have followed this case since day one… I am sorry to hear you leave. I for one do appreciate all your input and insight
I have learned alot from you.. I would like for you to keep in touch with me via email..only if you wish.. I know how you feel .. because if anything wouldeverrrrrrrr happend to my two daughters or grandaughters… I would freak out..go ballistic…. probably head to aruba with grenades strapped to me ..geeez talk about going postal..I would go look for those fools at the court house lol.. hell if I see a bowl of corn flakes I will know I am in the right place…. and I am only 4ft 11… but dont let my size fool you.. because I am full of piss n vinegar… I can surely go down trying..kickin and squirming… any ways patti
… I give klaasend permission to give to you….if you should ever wish to keep in touch..
Katie
alway1
i know I hate to see her go
I just wished people like yoyo would be nicer and not come here insulting.. I dont dislike anyone I may dislike their ways… heck even if yoyo left I would miss her sourcasm keeps me on my toes.. my blood pressure in check
youre nice, misskatie, now im going to go to sleep but Patti, if you are reading, you are in my prayers…..
thanks always1 your very nice and considerate also
Visitors to Aruba will be struck by the island’s peace and tranquility. The laid-back atmosphere that contributes to vacationers’ relaxation and accounts for the island’s wide popularity has prevailed throughout Aruba’s history.
In fact, European colonizers barely touched the island, deterred by its desert and unaware of the riches it possessed. Thus, when the Dutch gained control of the island from the Spanish, it was a peaceful takeover. The British also occupied the island for about a decade. However, in the end, the island’s inhabitants created a distinctly Aruban culture. They struggled through economic hardships after the gold rush and oil boom, and now tourism is the main source of Aruba’s income. Through it all, the Aruban spirit has remained calm, and now offers travelers a warm welcome.
Richard,
some haters posted pictures of you and others on the net (for hate reasons)?
That sucks