RSSIs Joran van der Sloot in a Psychiatric Hospital in the Netherlands?
According to yesterdays BonDia Aruba he is. Translation:
ORANJESTAD – Joran van der Sloot has spend the past week internally in a psychiatric Institute in the Netherlands. This was confirmed recently by his close family.
The motive of this was because Joran had flipped and wasn’t himself anymore. It therefore was necessary that he spend time internally and was given treatment necessary for a better health. This news did not come as a surprise here, to see the inner state van der Sloot was in and the way he was acting by which he involved himself in the case of Natalee Holloway.
A youngster of his age, getting so much negative attention will crack any minute. Comments one can hear on the news here, that this did not come as a surprise. In the past his family wanted to give psychiatric attention because of his bothersome actions within the family. There have been several attempts to have him undergoing treatment of a psychiatrist.
But in all instances Joran denied this and said he did not feel he needed a psychiatrist to help him with his alleged problems.
He answered that to do that he had decided to write a 351 pages counting book, titled “De zaak Holloway”, which he produced with the help of a female Dutch journalist. For Joran van der Sloot, the motive for this was it being a form of therapy, to make it possible for him to deal with all the things that had happened inside since the day since he met with Natalee Holloway 3 years ago.
The story has also been picked up by several Dutch papers that appear to be using BonDia as their source. In the Dutch articles Joran’s family is denying it:
If true, is it a strategy by his defense team to keep his mouth shut?
Or is it a ploy to keep him from being prosecuted?
If false, why is BonDia spreading false rumors? We will watch and update as the truth comes out.
UPDATE I: As of this afternoon no verification one way or the other from any “reliable” sources. The only source reporting it is BonDia and if not true, I hope they print a retraction.
UPDATE II: Reaction from Joran’s attorney in the Netherlands as reported in Dutch news
The family Van der Sloot at first denied the report yesterday, but via lawyer Bert de Rooij the family later on the day let out that they do not want to go into the report.
“After having consultated the people surrounding my client the decission has been made that I will not confirm the report nor deny it. Due to their explicit wishes I will no not let out anything about this”, according to de Rooij.
Posted February 28, 2008 by Klaasend Aruba, Joran Van der Sloot, Main, Natalee Holloway | 170 comments |
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suicide watch
Shouldn’t he be in the middle of a semester right now??
Sounds to me like a rumor that the Caribbean paper picked up and ran with. Judging from their penchant for printing negative articles about the Holloway Twitty family, their sense of accuracy is down there in the sensationalist gutter.
Still and all, the story about Joran’s trip to Germany (did anyone ever report seeing him there?) may have been a diversion from this.
I haven’t found any ‘responsible’ media reporting anything about this. If it is true, which I doubt, the next question is whether he was committed or went in voluntarily. If the latter, I believe, he can get out whenever he wants.
Sounds to me like a way of dodging process servers, if they do that in the Netherlands. But who knows? And, of course, it could be a tactic of desperation, undertaken in fear of being brought to trial. Let’s hope so.
keep working on that damages settlement there, joran. mental anguish…yeah, yeah.
PLOY! Helloooo!!! Since he is so crafty, it should not be given merit.
I’d think a psychiatric hospital would be the LAST place that Paul and Anita would want Joran to be in.
What are they going to do when a doctor convinces their son that the only way to ease his troubled conscience is to make a full confession?
I’m telling you, we are watching yet another scam compliments of the Van der Sloots….
All those personalities….
I’ll bet its a ploy to get the pervert off the hook if he is ever prosecuted..they can claim he is mentally disturbed..which of course he is, but so was Jack the Ripper.
Next thing you know the whole damn family will be in there with him!
Not true!
He’s spotted on Aruba this morning! http://tinyurl.com/35tuoc
Never thought i’d type this…ROFLMAO. Great photoshop with Joran in One flew over the Cukoos nest. Starring Jack as Paulus.
if this is true, the punk is just looking for pity. another game thought up by his girlfriend joe taco.
If Joran’s in a hospital it’s probably for the same reason they let him spend all that time in jail the summer of 2005….to keep him from being killed by those involved in the coverup. IMO, naturally!
Joran cannot be trusted to keep his mouth shut forever even when he’s sober. And he can’t lay off the drink or the drugs so that’s a loose cannon for ya.
And I think Joran has them all by the balls because he was not the last one with Natalee’s body.
If true, sounds like a ploy to:
1) escape prosecution/jailtime
2) make Joran look like a victim
SCOUTING ARUBA FOR YET ANOTHER VICTIM HUH ?
Joran is so used to calling everyone a liar, he realized, on his taped confession, who is he now going to call a liar? Himself?
Is there a ward for pathological liars.
Joe T. called in the damage control, when all else fails INSANITY…..
Seeing is believing…….but if he went on his own free will or under the advise of his legal team….most likely it is to avoid any form of prosecution……Perhaps also to find a safer place out of the public eye where he can hide and rest in peace.
Hope he has a nervous breakdown, what a loser. Suicide watch, PLEASE !! We’ll give him the rope……
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Where ever he is be assured he’s not welcome…the punk!
The cuckoo house is probably a likely place for him to be…if he’s not there, he should be..
Joran has been under psychiatric care for gambling, drinking, staying out late, beating up his brother, not going to school or doing his homework….but yet knowing Joran has these problems Paulus does the opposite and goes with him to casinos….when he shouldn’t of been there…doesn’t remember if he went to school…sounds like Paulus was out for fun and games while Anita was away. Guess that will teach to leave the compound…
The threshold is usually defined as “A danger to yourself or another person”.
I really do not believe JVS is suicidal. He doesn’t appear to have a conscience (sociopath) or have the capacity to feel emotions like genuine “guilt” or “despair”. I suspect this is yet another ploy to create sympathy and compell the media to leave him alone.
Probably just another ploy by Aruba to send Joran to a physco ward….so that his shrink
will say that the video that Peter took of
Joran’s confessions are false because Joran was in his “lieing state” and nothing he
said on the tape was the truth.
“The motive of this was because Joran had flipped and wasn’t himself anymore.”
…
What was the TIP OFF, the head spinning,
or all the green soup spitting?
The gumball machine man was very funny, EURobert! LOL
I’m still reeling thinking about Peters video of Jorans confession and how Paulus must have felt watching his son and listening to him talk about Natalee shaking and dieing and him calling someone to come and drop her body in the ocean….and Anita…wow…she must have freaked out…. but then immediately went into her denial mode.
EURO ROBERT
SPOTTED IN ARUBA!!
WHAT HYPOCRITES THEY ARE.. THOUGHT HE WASNT WELCOMED IN ARUBA..WHAT A JOKE OF A LEGAL SYSTEM…THEY LIE THEY KILL THEY COVER UP
DRUG INFESTED GHETTO OF AN ISLAND…
BOYCOTT!! BOYCOTT!!
This jerk really makes me sick. I pray he is locked up, I hope its with unpadded walls…he is stuck on stupid….Lets concentrate on these travel shows…Another one this weekend…
who the hell would feel sorry for that psycho path… he is nuts…. the hole family is nuts.. the hole island is nuts.. is it in the water… geezzzzzzzzzzzzzz… NOBODY BUT HIS FAMILY FEELS SORRY FOR HIM… SOMEONE SHOOT ANITA FOR BRING FRANKENSTEIN JR INTO THIS WORLD…THEY REMIND ME OF THE ADAMS FAMILY…
IF it is true…and with Aruba…it is a big IF. Placing Joran in the psychiatric hospital was done for three reasons. One, they can use his admission to the psychiatric hospital to recant his confession to Patrick…you know…he was nuts….didn’t know what he was saying…bla bla bla. Secondly, IF…and again a big IF they decide to allow Joran’s confession, he can say he was mentally disturbed and was out of his mind and didn’t know what he was doing when he killed Natalee. Thirdly, it is to keep his mouth shut and to keep someone from killing the twisted and psychotic little bastard.
Again, they think we are stupid.
EURobert – That picture is priceless!
he looks good in a straight jacket. that is what his parents should have put on him when he was 15 instead of the pimp pad they provided for him he had apart from the main house.
i believe his parents feared for their lives and his 2 brothers and more or less locked him out of the house.
now most of us see why. he is a MONSTER!
I’d say he probable is under psychiatric care, because he wanted to come after Patrick, to physically harm him and they are trying to stop him. He must also be feeling and acting cookie, because he can’t handle the pressure of mounting a nonchalance pretense spectacle, while knowing that thousands and thousands of people saw him stating what happened, while also coming across as a completely indifferent, coldhearted, ignorant, needy, self-serving, highly unpleasant person.
His father and Aruban officials have committed a psychological crime against Joran, by forcing him to change the content of declaration given in his initial interrogation for the primary purpose of protecting Paulus’ image within the community, back when this all happened. By coercing Joran into changing his statement, Paulus told his son that he rejected him, that he could’nt accept him as a criminal. The father’s love for the son is not unconditional.
Joran will not commit suicide, because as a sociopath he lacks a conscious, but he could turn against his own father one of these days, because deep down, he must be blaming Paulus for all the social rejection he’s experiencing. An attention seeker like he is, must be going through emotional and psychological hell from knowing that he was made an international fool by De Vries and that those people that he once tricked are now aware of who he really is.
In his mind, the true Joran is now openly in the open and he doesn’t like that, because he doesn’t like himself. He likes the Joran he pretends to be. We will be hearing from him soon, as he tries to seek revenge from through the first person that openly confronts him, once he decides to come out of his refuge.
Oh what a difference a smile can make!
http://tinyurl.com/2dojb2
http://tinyurl.com/2bb8gn
-j4n
@ #29 hoepelman
“I’d say he probable is under psychiatric care, because he wanted to come after Patrick, to physically harm him and they are trying to stop him.”
If he’s in a psychiatric facility, you could be right as to the reason! He’s to much of a sociopath to care what the public thinks about him but boy I bet he wants to KILL Patrick for making him believe he was his friend!!
If it’s not the reason, no doubt Paul and Anita are VERY worried about what their fool son will try to do to Patrick if he gets the chance.
Huh, you don’t think he did something again, do ya? Did he hit somebody or did anyone check if any other girls are missing where he lives, or did he confess to someone else and is afraid they too, may come forward?
Paulus gotta be sweating a swamp.
To all the DUTCHIES that visit SM (as I am): you can order the Dutch translation of Beth Holloways book now. Titel: “Lieve Natalee”.
Only costs some € 12,something.
For example via this link: http://tinyurl.com/2x74h9
Ya my sporter… after hearing him on the De Vries tape …ya… I know he had a screw loose so I told my sporter …it is time to go to de clinic to have the Doctor look at all of the sawdust in your brain. Signed: Mamma Anita
Awww, the poor sporter! The world has been so cruel to him.
#6 “What are they going to do when a doctor convinces their son that the only way to ease his troubled conscience is to make a full confession?” That’s the only way he can hope to have any normal life in the future. Anita, you should be so ashamed of yourself for raising a man (yes he’s a man now) that cannot and will not tell the truth…cannot and will not take responsibility for his actions. Shame, shame, shame on you, Anita!
#8 and others: A ploy doesn’t seem too far off the mark. I don’t believe someone without a conscience would have suicidal thoughts, but I’m not shrink.
#22 – Anita’s denial mode = heavy doses of Valium. How else could she get out of bed every day?
#25 – Your comment was rude! What’s wrong with the Adams’ Family? JK
#29 – Excellent post. Great insight. It makes sense that Joran could very well be a victim of his own father and ALE. I also agree about him not committing suicide. He feels not guilt or remorse. Others better watch out because he has no mask to hide behind and the real monster is on the surface. He’s going to punish someone for his sins and the sins of his father.
Hay, where is all of this money coming from? Joe T is an expensive MAFIA whore, staying stoned all of the time plus other money. How is picking up the expenses for this psychiatric facility? Big advice here “follow the money” and you will get the answer!
He needs to be locked away forever so he can not harm anyone else again.
I just think it is totally part of his plan to come up with another excuse for “why he lied” on the tape… a straw something to grab on to since his reputation is gone… His attorney needs to use this report from the Dr. to try to sell it to everyone on Joran’s innocence. I’ll bet he was advised to go in. It would help his case.
You are right Sharon. This admission to the ward can be used to help him in several ways. They are grasping at straws.
Sharon
I think mama also said,
Jurrrine has not beeeen da same since he looost he sporter shoes. Dey cost imm lots of money.
I cannot be da same I too, looost my camera wis da childerens art pro-jects.
Yeah Anita , what art projects and whose children?
Of course he’s insane, he exposed the long dutch tradition of father and son hunting girls to rape and murder. Now the world knows what it means to grow up dutch. He is feeling the reward of how his father raised him. No sympathy for the stupid.
Hey Peter, Now is a great time to go after the “Sporter” for assualting you in the wine-throwing-incident. If the Sporter is feeling down, another dose of REALITY might just put him of the edge.
Is anyone more HATED than Joran?
Van Der Sloot did say 1 true thing: “This never would’ve happened if mom had been home.”
#17 Exactly! Paulus was free to relax. When the cat is away, the mice will play.
maybe tacos daughter’s should go keep him company, surely a boy as harmless as he would be very nice to them. watch out for the bus, joe. they should move the entire sloot family into the sanitarium. They and taco are fair game for the rest of their lives.
This is great. Now if they will just hook the POS up and use shock treatment!! Maybe somebody will walk by and adjust the voltage to about 5000 volts!!!
IMHO, #29 hoepelman and #35 da Wench have it right. Yep, Papa Sloot better be very concerned because Joran may just want to unburden himself. In fact, there’s another possible reason, maybe Daury = Daddy had him locked up to shut him up because Joran has realized that there’s no other way out.
#9
That looks like yoyo muffinhead!!
who do you believe? bondia says jvds is in a mental hospital and quotes 3 sources, one of which is “close to the family”. all other articles are attributing bondia as their source. renfro says anita assures her that jvds is not in a mental hospital. i’m holding off until i hear something from a credible source. none that i listed above is a credible source.
dennisintn
Mike – I see that you are having a bad day today. You needed to feel better about yourself so you made that comment #48. Good for you – I know it probably helped your insecurities you were feeling today.
I’m having a wonderful day today…I’m sorry you are not.
has anybody ever seen a US Coast Guard incident report for May 30 2005 or know how to pull it up?
I am thinking something is stinking in the land of Tulips…………..
Joran is sick!
Thanks KG and observer777 for your good info!
http://www.nwo-info.nl/2008/02/11/en-wat-als-joran-onschuldig-blijkt/#comment-979
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1129845
Some shock therapy should help
Urine Van der Scrotum open up
and share.
I NEVER SPECULATE. …BUT IF I DID:
So, if you factor in what Bon Dia says
with what Jossy says: I guess Dilbert (Joran)
went to Germany to check himself into
the freakin’ cuckoo hut after a
horrendous death threat.
I wonder why they
selected Germany?
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#9
I wonder if it takes American change or Euro?
I hear da SPORTER loves a good gum ball!
ja! ja! jaaaaa!
>Babelfish
ha! ha! haaaaa!
Here’s what Joran should do: get himself an agent and agree to tell the whole truth on air to Dateline. He’d receive millions, he’d get it off his chest, and he could live out his life in a country with no extradition to the Netherlands or Aruba.
By the way, the picture of Joran in the mental hospital is fake because his head is way too big for the body. The head was just pasted on. Check it out.
(klaasend)
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SM: Of course it’s fake, all 3 photos are fake, I created them. Never entered my mind that someone would think for a minute they were real
the only thing he seems to be suffering from is an accute ailment of GUILT!!!
i find it interesting that the paper brings up the prior issues the family had with joran. who gives a teenager the right to say “no” to psyche help?
WHILE HE IS IN HIS CELL..AT THE . NUT WARD BEHIND BARS.. SOMEONE SHOULD WELD HIS KEY HOLE SO IT CAN NEVER BE OPENED AGAIN…THIS IS ALL A PLOY TO MAKE HIM LOOK VULNERABLE.. AND NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS..THERES NOT ONE NORMAL IN THAT FAMILY,…. ALL BAD SEED IN THAT BUNCH.. MAYBE ANITA MARRIED HER BROTHER .. COUSIN OR SOME FAMILY MEMBER AND SPAT OUT . FRANKENSTEIN.. AFTER ALL LOOK AT HIS HEAD HE LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING SPAWNED OUT OF EVIL..
LOL KLAASSSSS…too damn funny, eh? LOL!
______________
SM:
TXCHIC
WRONG .. THERES NO GUILT IN THAT FAMILY..
THEY ARE CONSTANTLY STRATEGIZING ON HOW TO GET OVER THE LEGAL SYSTEM THAT OF COURSE THEY LACK IN ARUBA…ALL THIS IS TACO JOES IDEA.. I GUARANTEE YOU…AND…. HE RULES HIS PARENTS.. HE IS DEFIANT… REBELLIOUS… WHY ELSE WOULD HE BE OUT ALL NIGHT at bars carousing…TURNING HIS CELL PHONE OFF .. SO HIS PARENTS CANT MAKE CONTACT WITH HIM… HE IS SPOILED… SPAWNED OF BAD BLOOD… AND …ON HIS WAY OUT.. AND HE KNOWS .. HE IS THE MOST HATED SPAWN SINCE OJ SIMPSON AND SCOTT PETERSON…HE IS NUMBER ONE ON THE I HATE YOU LIST.. IN AMERICA .. AND… ALL OVER THE WORLD………. ANYONE HAVE SOME ARSENIC THEY CAN .. SMUGGLE TO HIM.. OR EVEN RAT POISON WILL WORK..
He’s in a psych hospital in the Netherlands or Germany or some other country.
He’s gonna spill the beans for sure!!
I’m wondering what the doctor-patient confidentiality laws are in the country the hospital is in?
I’ve also been wondering…uh…what a “sporter” is?? I keep reading the word but I don’t know what it means
62 Lottalynnya… Sporter = Jock/plays sports
Anita referred to Joran as my son is a sporter.
Nice pics.
So let the deviate bastard rot in the mental hospital and now Hans vanderWimp get on with the real business..ARREST PAULUS and do what you are paid to do…SOLVE THIS CASE, OR RESIGN. Maybe you need some shock therapy to help you understand the obvious.
How disgusted I am with these sickos who make a mockery out of justice.
ON WITH THE BOYCOTT
Wondering what Jossy will print tomorrow….? We should find out for sure soon I would think, if Joran is tied to his sheets in bed and strapped in nice and tight or not.
I wonder if Paulus will smuggle in another cell phone inside of a bible while Joran is locked up in detox at the hospital.?
Sporter you can run but you cannot hide…
EXTRADITE HIM TO THE US…..AND GET IT DONE!!!!
Joren is not in a mental hospital.
(klaasend)
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SM: How do you know? Joran’s attorney won’t even confirm or deny. Are you Joran?
In today’s modern world we spend more time worrying about what Brittany Spears is doing and checking for gossip than we do worrying about our fellow man. Here on this website we have a couple of handfuls of good people who actually care about Natalie, this beautiful young woman who had so much in store for her. I know her soul is in heaven not here on earth. But her family needs to know where her body is. Dave and Beth need to be able to place flowers on her graver for her birthday to be able to leave a poinsettia as the only gift they can give their daughter for Christmas. These people need to be able to leave the island of Aruba and never have to return to the place of their daughter’s murder. There are some good honest people on the island of Aruba and they need tourism restored so that they can make an honest living. I am writing this as a plea to beg you all to help in any way you can please go to Texas Equusearch’s website and donate anything you can to keep that boat in the water. http://www.texasequusearch.org Originally I thought how can the $25 or $30 dollars I would be able to donate make a different when they need a large amount? But what if we each gave whatever small amount we could? Think of what a 1 cent tax increase does when it all adds up. Scared Monkey’s please do a story on this ask everyone who reads you sight to do whatever they can. Greta, Nancy Grace, and so many more have made a fortune off of this case why can’t they give something back? And the owner of the Excelsior he has millions. If he wants to show he cares why can’t he make a contribution? Please people I am begging you to ask everybody you know. Think of how rapidly e-mail spread. Take this to the water cooler. Let’s see if we can get this on the news. We need to raise at least as much as possible but every little bit will keep that boat in the water another day.
In update #2, at the top, it says that Joran’s family will no longer comment on this story.
Very interesting … but do they mean the van der Scums in Aruba or their counterparts in Holland?
Still haven’t found anything about this from the ‘real’ media.
Given Joran’s size and increasingly uncouth appearance (he certainly looks like he has deteriorated since May 2005, and if possible is even uglier and more sleazy than before) …
if he were strapped down to a table, he would bear an uncommon resemblance to the Frankenstein monster. (Remember, Frankenstein, in the original tale, was the monster’s creator, not the monster itself.)
@ #66 Sharon
Thanks Sharon!
“Anita referred to Joran as my son is a sporter.”
LOL! That’s very funny!
When does an attorney not commit to a confirmation or denial regarding their client? When they’re not ready to confirm.
Joran’s in a mental hospital.
Joran is such an attention whore!
If he’s locked up in Germany maybe that’s so it will be harder for the Dutch to arrest him should the day ever come they might decide to do so.
Anita needs to be locked up in a mental institution! She told that story of Joran having sex with such perverted pride about it, she is sick! Lock up Anita!
Maybe the whole family has perverted sex issues. What did Joran say? If Mommy had been home this would not have happened…..maybe he meant his sick dad would not have been chasing young tourist girls had Anita been home to service him.
They say the only reason anyone would use a date rape drug on someone is not because they like sex, but because they are mean! …I mean cowardly mean!
Jerks! To quote Counting Crows “I may not go to Heaven, but I hope you go to Hell!”
Joran needed to be somewhere where someone might believe his lies. So far he’s convinced two pschitzos, one tri-polar, and his best friend who recently recieved a frontal labodomy of his innocence. He talks non-stop to them as they stare aimlessly at the crown molding on the walls. See Taco joe you are not the only believer.
#71 Richard: You are correct. Dr.Frankenstein didn’t do such a good job on this monster either. Perhaps Joran’s not in Germany at all but rather Romania or Transylvania wherever Dr. Frankenstein has his laboratory. He’s in for a few tweaks. (Hopefully with a few bolts of lightening.)
Folks, it’s getting serious here … read this article. The people on the Persistence are convinced that Natalee’s remains are in one of the items on the bottom of the water off Aruba that they have identified … but this says the water search will end THIS WEEK unless more money is raised.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5988951
I’m going to be forced to buy a desk-top. I’m blipping out too much (IMO)for a lap top.
Anyways. SM and EURobert thank you for the photos. They are a hoot!
Do I think JVDS is in a psych ward??? Heck no,only when hades freezes over. Why would Joran be anywhere other than where he wants to be at any moment in time? Did we forget the sporter and his papa (Daury), and the pimp gang (especially Koen), and 2K were given “get out of jail free cards” compliments of ALE almost 3 years ago, so no, with that flashback I don’t think JVDS is anywhere but where he wants to be. No this is just more drama to try and take away what happened to the victim. This sounds cold, but according to some lawyers, the more it’s about their client, i.e, Joran, Joran, Joran, the less it’s about Natalee and the injustices inflicted upon her and her family.
-J4N-
RICHARD
IF WE CAN ALL DONATE AT LEAST 10.00 WOULD HELP.. ALSO HOW DO THEY NEED… AND ARE THER ANY MILLIONAIRES WE CAN APPEAL TO.. HOW BOUT DEAR OL OPERA AND OTHER PEOPLE WITH MONEY.. JUST A THOUGHT.
HOW MUCH I MEANT TO SAY
RICHARD
JUST WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG.. HE HAS THAT FRANKENSTEIN LOOK GOING ON.. AND THOSE BANGS …WONDER IF THE OTHER TWO BROTHERS LOOK LIKE HIM.. WONDER IF HE WAS CREATED IN A LAB .. ALONG WITH HIS BROTHERS.. IM GLAD THEY DIDNT HAVE SISTERS .. POSSIBILITY THEY WOULD OF HAVE AN INCESTIOUS AFFAIR… ALL THE FAMILY.. INVOLVED…
Great Pics Scared Monkeys. Joran looks like he belongs there.
Maybe he’ll get electric shock treatments.
Re: MimiNL, #53 – thanks for those links.
Observer777, you rock! Way tell it like it is to those trolls on forum.fok.
This statement is really disturbing. Excuse I don’t recall seeing it with the other statements on SM. (see below) Is this statement legit????
As for Joran supposedly in a psychiatric hospital – Whatever….. Taco & Co. has been and is setting up the INSANITY/SHUT HIM UP/PREVENT SERVING JORAN PAPERS defense. How pathetic, Joran’s behavior does not warrant 1 molecule of pity much less any suggestion and/or plea of insanity.
Are they ever going to convict Joran, Paulus, the pimps and all of any and all crimes????? Who cares Carlo & Charlies changed their name to Senior Frogs – same criminal sh’’t, different name. There will plenty more whose drinks were spiked with GHB/Liquid Ecstasy in Aruba.
I trust Devries is on Keon, Freddy, Paulus, the Higher Powers and all….. The behavior in this statement is completely out of line!!! Joran said the same things in the Dutch version of the Devries tapes!!! To say they should be ashamed of their actions is an understatement. IMO, they should get life in the worst prison on earth, all of them including DENNIS JACOBS, Van der Stratten, etc…..
God Bless The Persistence, Beth, Dave, Jug, SM……
J4N!!!!
http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1129845
it het volgende document blijkt dat Joran het niet zo nauw neemt met de meisjes en openstaat voor sex met meerdere mannen en 1 meisje genaamd Karen een prono actrice uit aruba
Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
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PROCES-VERBAAL
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.
On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:
Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.
His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.
I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.
“You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.
To your question whether I know a girl named “Karen” and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named “Karen”. I do not know Karen’s last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness “Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA”; remark JACOBS).
To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during “Carnaval” this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the “fakkeloptocht” this year I was dancing in the “Last-Lap”. I think it was near the bridge of the “Renaissance Hotel” when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname “Beto”. I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the “fakkeloptocht” “Jaime CARRASQUILLA”, “Freddy ZEDAN”, “Karen” and myself walked to “Carlos & Charlies”. According to me “Koen GOTTENBOS” was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the “Pier” due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the “Pier” I asked Karen if she could give me a “blow-job”. Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of “Chato”. The name of “Chato” is “Leonardo” but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named “Karen”. I do not know Karen’s last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato’s pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if “Freddy ZEDAN” or “Fernando VIANA” was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having “foreplay”. Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato’s request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato’s hip-flask. I don’t remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.
I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the “Havana Niteclub”. I do not remember the date, but it was during a “Moonlite Party”. On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.
About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.
To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named “Stephania”, I answer you that I have not.
To your question whether I know the girl named “Stephany BOEKHOUWER”, I answer you the following. This year, I don’t remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a “Houseparty” in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime’s car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime’s car. Jaime has a 4-door green “Honda”. On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime’s car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.
To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name “Rika”, I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika’s parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika’s last name.
This is my statement in accordance with the truth”.
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.
The reporting officers,
JACOBS CROES
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ok ive made my donation to texas equasearch
please readers lets all join in like the other monkeys have encouraged us to do…and give to natalees search so it wont be discontinued.
You can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride.
#57 Hey Bob,
Do you get out much??
Ain’t that a kick in the grapes?
ASKING JORAN’S FILTHY FLEA BAG PARENTS
TO CONFIRM OR DENY
THE TRUTH!
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THE TRUTH?
THE TRUTHHHHHHHHHHHHHH????
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They wouldn’t know the truth if someone
drove it right through the middle of the
living room, at that toxic waste dump of
19 Montanja de Aruba!
-j4n
This narcissistic sociopath’s sense of entitlement is disgusting. He admits that Anita was aware that his girlfriend was spending the night. What the hell is wrong with her? Urine was only in high school. Sporter is a little pig. Why would a 17 year old have any interest in a 12 year old other than to take advantage of her? I hope they are protecting the other patients in Urine’s psychiatric facility. Have you ever heard the stories about many years ago when they sterilized patients in psychiatric hospitals? Could we be so lucky??? The corrupt Arubans should be giving up the goods on this guy just to get him off the streets. He also gave the LE a direct statement about taking a drunk girl back to his apartment. Natalee was pulled right into this creep’s game plan. This was a regular routine for him and his disgusting friends.
In America sleeping with someone you know to be drunk is a crime. Do you think they have a similiar law in Aruba?
Ok I made my donation and got everybody I can think of too say they would.
#88, SS
EXACTLY!!! (This narcissistic sociopath’s sense of entitlement is disgusting. He admits that Anita was aware that his girlfriend was spending the night. What the hell is wrong with her? Urine was only in high school. Sporter is a little pig. Why would a 17 year old have any interest in a 12 year old other than to take advantage of her?)
Why would any teenager call a 12 YEAR OLD their GIRLFRIEND, while doing that to Karen and others??? Forget asking where are the parents to step in. Paulus & Anita have ALWAYS ENABLED Joran. SICK!!!!!!!
Get this scum off the streets, get all of them!!!
J4N!!!
Also PLs all!!! Send in $$$$ to The Persistence. Reach out the news channels, esp. our friends in NYC where those major networks are. CNN, NBC, ABC, FOX, etc….
Let’s call Josie and get it put in the Dario. If they want their tourism restored and all of this cleared up DONATE!!!
And how about our good friend Michael Posner maybe we should remind him if it was not for him letting the underage gamble maybe this would have never have happened. I think a casino has some spare cash lying around don’t you think???
On my local news this morning, they reported on the Natalee Holloway case. They had 6 new never before seen photos of Natalee that they said they had just gotten in. They were of Natalee wearing a bikini on the beach. Does anybody know if these are on the internet? I haven’t seen Fox or MSNBC show them yet. If anybody knows – please help!
@ Richard,
Yes he was in Germany. I am a Dutch citizen living in Germany. In contrast to the Netherlands, in Germany you hardly hear anything about the Natalee Holloway case. Where I live,, nobody even knows her name.
Joran can walk over the street without anybody recognizing him.
*IF* he is in a psych hospital voluntarily I believe it is just a ploy for all the reasons already stated.
However, thinking more about Post #32 maybe he was violent with his grandmother and that is why he has been committed against his will. Again, IF he has been committed against his will.
If that statement is true than I just dont know what to do except tell everyone I know to BOYCOTT!!!
One of my friends told me last night he was given a FREE 7 day vacation in ARUBA in March…
I SAID, PLEASE!, F*CK ARUBA! FOR REAL, F*CK ARUBA!
He dropped off the tickets to me today!
I BURNED THEM!
LOVE IT?
SLEEP TIGHT, JORAN!
#89 That’s not true. If it was, nearly everyone would be incarcerated. It would render college life worthless!
JORAN WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST, WHERE EVER YOU MIGHT BE….ENJOY YOUR VACATION….
CAUSE…ANYONE IS INNOCENT , UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY
UNDER OUR DUTCH LAW, ONLY THAT COUNTS…
ALL THE MONKEYS HERE,CRYING 24/7 ,HAVE ONLY RUMORS, HEARSAY , I THINK, MAYBE, ECT,SAME MONKEYS,SOME 12, NONE HAVE ANY PROOF OF ANYTHING
NO PROOF, NO CRIME….
STILL A CASE OF A MISSING PERSON…CAUSE NOTHING ELSE IS PROVEN….
THANK YOU….
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SM: Funny, your own govt officials say she’s dead.
Why dont you crawl under a rock you troll ,,, I am sure you can find a painted one in Aruba.
R
TO THE 12 MONKEYS ASKING FOR THE TRUTH;
THE WHOLE WORLD SAW AND KNOW WHAT HAPPENENED
TO OJ SIMPSON AND MICHEAL JACKSON AND .. AND ..
EVEN KNOWING THE TRUTH ALL THESE GUYS ARE FREE MAN IN THE USA, WHAT DO WE CALL THIS..?
JUSTICE..?
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SM: To make a fair comparison it has to go to trial … not an Aruban cover up … your words do more for the boycott than sometimes mine do.
Keep talking fool.
R
[...] to have him read what he actually did that fateful night and the lives that he affected forever.Joran Van der Sloot, you are not a victim, you are a suspect. Natalee Holloway and her family are the victims. [...]
Joran’s June 24th statement is so disturbing!
Are the 3 women that Joran refers to in his statement the women that said they were drugged and raped by him?? Something’s not right with this statement. Joran’s graphic answers just don’t fit the simple questions being asked of him.
Is Joran giving unsolicited graphic details of his sexual encounters just because he’s a sexual deviant and he’s getting off on doing so? Or is he giving a detailed statement to more in depth questions that were intentionally left out of the written statement??
He’s asked if he had sex with Karen. A normal answer would be: Yes. She performed oral sex on me at the ‘Pier’, in back of Chato’s car, and we had intercourse in my apartment..
Why is he so graphic with the details of his oral sex? Why does he need to define the type of kissing they do? Is the fact that they’re French kissing somehow more important then just kissing? Why does he say that he doesn’t know if Karen bled or not?? Karen and Joran weren’t engaging in mutual sex so WHY would Karen agree to give him oral sex at the Pier and then again in the back of his friend’s car before having sex in his apartment? Why does he tell how ‘Chato’ pulled the covers off him and Karen and asked Joran if he could have sex with them? Why does he give the detail about how he threw the condom into the toilet? Why does he mention every drink they had that day and night? Why does he mention all the friends he was with?
According to the statement, these questions aren’t being asked. Or are they?
Why does he say that he doesn’t know Karen’s last name but Jacobs and Croes do? He’s giving information about Stephany Boekhouwer and ‘Rika’ (the 12 yr old he says was his girlfriend but doesn’t know her last name…ok joran!) for what purpose? Because they also accused him of rape!
I want to know if Holloway’s detectives or the FBI questioned these girls and their parents!!
98 reality……I’m reposting a previous response to you…get down on your weak, cowardly knees and pray to God above that YOUR precious child does not come up missing one day. or worse, pray that YOUR young beautiful daughter (supposing you had one) did not come up raped, murdered and missing in a foreign land!! while you are down there on your knees pray that if she did, someone in that foreign land would do everything in their power to help you instead of hinder you to find her. pray to God above that YOU never have to go through the nightmare and the hell that the Holloways and Twiddys have gone through for the past 2 1/2 years along with the innocent hard-working aruban peoples. this case could have been solved from the very beginning if the aruban government had the balls to do what was right in the eyes of god and the whole world. it’s obvious that they do not live by the same rules that most of us do; duty, honor, ethics, integrity, sincerity, accountability, responsibility, dignity. It’s obvious to the whole world they have no balls or backbone!!They have no one to blame but themselves and deserve everything that happens to them (i.e. financially, politically, etc). YOU, sir/madam are a moron!!
i wonder if any one else feels this way. i’ve been following this case since day one. my question is why hasn’t our own government/fbi/cia whatever gotten involved in this case? i just don’t buy that it’s because aruba has different laws, etc. our fbi will take every opportunity to investigate crap that I don’t care about and i’m sure most americans could give a rats butt about (i.e. roger clemmons steroid use,counterfit cisco hardware, fake dietary supplements etc). shouldn’t we be writing and putting more pressure on our own government to do something. this was an AMERICAN citizen, she is missing, presumed dead in a foreign land, there is obvious coverup surrounding the investigations. is it just me?
#101 Lotte
Joran appears to be talking to Jacobs and Croes as if they are his friends. You know how young boys (and yes, I’m calling Joran a boy because he isn’t mentally mature enough to be characterized as a man) go around telling each other about their sexual escapades during high school? The stories are always full of detail and often times exaggerated to make the boy look more successful. It’s, what I call, Verbal Voyeurism.
# 82 Suisse
I’m not aware where you found that “statement”, however, at first reading, it does not “sound” real to me. Certain descriptive words / actions / phrases supposedly said by Joran…..are not generally used by Aruban sand pigs. They don’t generally use certain terms in that “Americanized” version of speach. Interesting reading, but I for one don’t consider in my mind authentic. I could be wrong.
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SM: I is REAL. It’s Joran’s 2nd statement given on June 24, 2005. It is in the Important Case Document area here in the SM forum. (klaasend) 2nd post down here – http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=193.0
I may be alone in this, but one of the key things that enrage me about this whole preditory scenario is that these sand pigs have such distain for females. I was always brought up believing females were special individuals, not targets or objects of prey. Whether Joran ever gets his just due on earth or not is debatable, but I want to be at least 100 yds away from him when the Lord opens the book to his page on Judgement Day. LOL. That will be the day Natalee finally gets everlasting justice.
Thank you #105….I somehow missed that, sorry. Well in that case, there’s little more to add….this boy surely goes to Hell one day. No question about it.
@ #104 Disgustedmom
If you look at the link provided in post #105, there’s a statement regarding Joran’s bizarre list of demands before he’d even agree to give the June 24th statement(above). You’ll read that one of his demands was to have his lawyer present.
Joran wasn’t just shooting the shit with the officers. 17 yr old boys, especially educated boys like Joran, especially when they’ve been sitting in a jail cell, especially when they have an attorney, DON’T give unsolicited sexually explicit and rambling details to adult figures of authority during an interrogation.
He was answering very specific questions that were intentionally left out of the statement. The questions that he was answering were:
1. Did you drug Karen
2. Did you have forced sex with Karen
3. Did the friends you were with also have forced sex with Karen?
4. Forced sex with Stephanie
5. Forced sex with Rita
Questions being asked had to have been left out! Not only because most of Joran’s statement is irrelevant to the questions that we do see, but also because there’s no frame of reference anywhere in the statement as to WHY Jacobs and Croes are even asking him about these girls!
Joran’s had sex with lots of girls but Jacobs and Croes asked about these 3 girls specifically for what reason? Because either all 3 of them filed date rape claims against Joran or 2 of them did and mentioned ‘Rita’ the 12 yr old because they knew of her also.
Karen later claims that the sex was consensual but I’m sure Paul paid her and the others off. Maybe Rita’s parents felt she was to young and dragging her through this would only revictimize her.
WANT SOME REALITY …?
WATCH TV PROGRAM THIS SUNDAY AT 10 PM LOCAL TIME
WILL BE ON ALL 6 DUTCH ISLAND IN THE CARIBBEAN
AND 1 TV CHANNEL IN HOLLAND….
NEWS, YES, BREAKING NEWS…
POENTJE CASTROS PROGRAM; A DAY IN THE LIFE OF…
INTERSTING PROGRAM ON NH, EXPERTS, TOURISM, ECT
WHAT PATRICK VAN EEM DID WITH JORAN,
MR. CASTRO DID WITH PATRICK…
WATCH IT , GET SOME R-E-A-L-I-T-Y …..
ASKING FOR THE TRUTH….????
# 109
Do you have a name of that tv-program?
Can’t find anything that could be it…
ITS A LOCAL TV PROGRAM NAMED; UN DIA DEN BIDA…
WITH MEANS; A DAY IN LIFE OF…
CAN BE SEEN IN HOLLAND TOO….
NO INFO YET WICH CHANNEL IN HOLLAND…
Just a reminder to Aruba and Holland that Natalee’s story is not going away. On the Today show this morning it was announced that the 2nd most “hits” in February at Todayshow.com were for the Natalee Holloway story. 2.2 million people wanted to know more about Natalee’s story. Wouldn’t it be great if each of them donated $10 towards her search? A check can be sent in to TexasEquusearch. The address is at their website. Be sure to state that your donation is to be used for Natalee’s search in Aruba.
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
OPEN A WINDOW, are you ok, havent seen anything from you in 2 days…..
SS
HOW SICK.. THAT ANITA WOULD LET A 12 YR OLD GIRL SPEND THE NITE WITH HER 17 YR OLD SON… SURELY SHES NOT THAT NAIVE.. OMG WHAT A BUNCH OF SICKOS.. SHE IS AS SICK AS HER HUSBAND.. ALSO.. DID THE GIRLS PARENTS KNOW SHE WAS ACTUALY SPENDING THE NIGHT WITH HIM SOLELY…LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT JORAN IS OUT OF CONTROL AND HAS NO BOUNDARIES… HIS PARENTS ARE VICTIMIZED BY HIM.. BY THEIR CHOICE .. POOOR PARENTINGGGGGGG
“Joran’s June 24th statement is so disturbing!
Are the 3 women that Joran refers to in his statement the women that said they were drugged and raped by him?? Something’s not right with this statement. Joran’s graphic answers just don’t fit the simple questions being asked of him.
Is Joran giving unsolicited graphic details of his sexual encounters just because he’s a sexual deviant and he’s getting off on doing so? Or is he giving a detailed statement to more in depth questions that were intentionally left out of the written statement??
He’s asked if he had sex with Karen. A normal answer would be: Yes. She performed oral sex on me at the ‘Pier’, in back of Chato’s car, and we had intercourse in my apartment…”
Right Lotte
#101
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Joran reminds me of the dog that
frequently sniffs his own bum.
He AIN’T REALLLL CONCERNED
ABOUT PROTOCOLS,
if ya know what I’m SAYINNNNN’…
…and he might possibly even like it.
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Yes, that ALE Interrogation document pretty much maps out what they tried on Natalee.
He had a history of this crap, and that is crystal clear… and if you believe for one second that Joran had a 12 year old girlfriend that he strictly kept to french kissing, because
she was too young for sex… I have some
magical beans you might be interested in…
really fair price! Drive by my window this evening, around 6-ish and honk thrice.
-j4n
# 115
Without disparaging all Arubans….this is one more straw for the pile. Gross immorality seems to pervade that entire sand bar of a country. It is almost uncomprehensible that as each day goes by, more and more filthy laundry is aired from and about that “Happy” island. God must really be unhappy with those pigs. Disgrace is not stranger for Aruba. And they cry about the sinking tourism? They don’t earn any respect from anyone.
# 111 reality
Sounds familiar “a day in the live of …” (Een dag in het leven van …). Or something like that.
I think we indeed have or had such a show on Dutch TV. But I still can’t find it.
I’ll keep my eyes open.
Oh goodieeeeee a day in the life of Patrick and what he did to poor little Joran.. How about a day in the life of Natalee and what was done to her? Or a day in the life of Beth or Dave, since their daughter was a victim of a crime? Nice Joran can go tell his story a million times and a million different ways. Natalee can’t tell hers once.. wonder why???? Someone thought it was important she couldn’t?
Joran was using pot before Patrick entered the picture, even bragged about beating the drug test in prison. Even saw JoeT on one video refering to Natalee’s case twice during the video as a homicide. Even heard that insanity bs before during many trials where a defendant claims to have been insane or abused and didn’t know what he was doing.. It’s the throw in the kitchen sink and see what sticks time.. Wasn’t Beth and Dave bragging oh our daughter has done this 20 times before and nothing bad happened?
Ya’ll put on your neck high boots down in Aruba, coz it’s been getting deeper and deeper down there for 3 years now. BTW why are Deepak and Satish being questioned about the fisherman’s huts on May 31st, when Joran said they didn’t tell the story about the beach and huts until almost 10 days later when they were arrested?
I would’ve loved one of those detached apartments when I was in high school. It is reasonably safe to assume that Joran’s pad was the venue of numerous hijinx. C’mon, he was a high schooler with his own place!
That’s why I never understood why Paulus wanted ONLY Joran’s apartment searched. If Natalee was indeed at the VDS residence at any point, you gotta figure that Joran brought her back to his place.
water boy look at pictures at Aruba bu Air Photo Gallery “by the milkman at pbase.com” maybe these will help you….let me know….darlene
POSTERS: this case has haunted me from day one as I’m sure it has most of you…….made my donation today. everyone can help, no matter how small a donation. look, i’m a single 55yr old grandmother, i make $24,451 yr, i barely get by BUT I have my two beautiful daughters and my grandson. i’m so very blessed, as most of you posters are. i can only imagine what Beth and Dave and their family have gone through for 2 1/2 years. God bless them. Please donate. keep the search going. Mr. Schaffer says that they can investigate all of the hits that they marked within a two week period if the search can continue. But it can’t continue without donations. Persistence has come so far, we must help. please donate. i don’t even know you guys but i feel most of us share the same opinions, except Reality. I feel most of us can send something no matter how small. Just do it!! when (not if, when!) they find Natalees remains and Beth and Dave can take her home to Alabama for a proper burial, you’ll say, thank you God!!
fyi…..bucuti beach/tara beach webcam……3 people on the beach in one shot, maybe 4 in another. boycott working. keep the message going…….
always 1, I am just fine, thanks for asking! I just just haven’t had anything particularly brilliant to say. Any news on your interest in the lighthouse steps? I do hope that somebody will check it out.
@ #116 Carpe
I think Reality might be more interested in your magical beans. Of course I believe Joran had sex with the 12 yr old.
“He AIN’T REALLLL CONCERNED
ABOUT PROTOCOLS,
if ya know what I’m SAYINNNNN’…”
That might be true in general but on June 24th he sure seemed to be.
He refused to leave the jail with officers Tromp and Ras when they came to get him for questioning at 10:00. He said he wouldn’t make a statement without his lawyer being present. He was very afraid of saying anything that might keep his father in trouble. He was adamant about this.
It wasn’t until the evening at 6:40
that he made his statement to Jacobs and Croes which gave his lawyer plenty of time to get there.
I find it very hard to believe that Joran’s lawyer would let him say anything more then a direct answer to a direct question unless there were some conditions.
I think Joran’s lawyer told the officers that Joran would make a detailed statement on the condition that they left any direct questions regarding date rape drugs, forced sex and pornography, out of the official written statement (I have a theory as to why).
The question is did the officers ever question Karen, Stephanie and Rita? If so, where are their statements?
kaye on February 29th, 2008 9:28 am
i wonder if any one else feels this way. i’ve been following this case since day one. my question is why hasn’t our own government/fbi/cia whatever gotten involved in this case? i just don’t buy that it’s because aruba has different laws, etc. our fbi will take every opportunity to investigate crap that I don’t care about and i’m sure most americans could give a rats butt about (i.e. roger clemmons steroid use,counterfit cisco hardware, fake dietary supplements etc). shouldn’t we be writing and putting more pressure on our own government to do something. this was an AMERICAN citizen, she is missing, presumed dead in a foreign land, there is obvious coverup surrounding the investigations. is it just me?
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I wonder exacly who we could be contacting to put more pressure on them to get involved. I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
It would be great to do a protest in front of someones office who decides this stuff.
Anyone know who would have the power to look into
this case??
walrus on February 29th, 2008 2:42 pm
“That’s why I never understood why Paulus wanted ONLY Joran’s apartment searched. If Natalee was indeed at the VDS residence at any point, you gotta figure that Joran brought her back to his place.”
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If Joran’s confession is accurate about Natalie
dieing on the beach and he called daddy…. I have always wondered if Joran went home like he was told and Paulus took her body to his house until he made arrangements to have her body dumped.
Remember the brother saying something about
“a girl in the bathtub”
His confession became fabricated at the point where when he called daddy in order to cover for his dad.
…..Just a theory….
no OPEN A WINDOW, no one else has showed interest, if i were single, i would fly down there myself and dig it up
#109
Reality,
That would be great. How about you translating it for us and put it on youtube. That should keep you busy for a few days and keep your dumbass off of here!
KAYE
I MYSELF AM A 60 YR OLD GRANDMOTHER… GREAT GRANDMOTHER.. I WORK ONLY MAKE 19,500 YEARLY
I MADE ROOM AND TIME TO SEND A DONATION TO EQUA SEARCH AND WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THEY DISCONTINUE THE SEARCH.. IF WE ALL DONATE .. IT WOULD HELP… WE CAN GIVE UP SOMETHING FOR OURSELVES TO GIVE TO NATALEES RECOVERY….IT’S THE LEAST WE CAN DO.. I DONATED YESTERDAY .. AFTER READING SOME PLEAS FROM OTHER MONKEYS…. SO LETS UNITE AND HELP TIM AT EQUASEACH…. IM PROUD TO BE A TEAM OF THE MONKEYS…
OMG MIKE HAHA TO FUNNY
KRIS G
DOES THAT TODAY SHOW HAVE A BLOG WHERE YOU COULD GO THERE POSSIBLY TO MAKE THAT SUGGESTION THAT WOULD BE GREAT.. IF WE COULD GET PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE..
waterboy did you see my note to you 121…great pictures from air of aruba….
On my news today, they showed the pictures of Natalee wearing a bikini on the beach agian… this time they had 2 more. I cannot imagine why this is not breaking news and the other networks aren’t broadcasting them as well. I Tivoed the footage so I could look at them. If anybody knows where they are on the internet, please post the address so others can see them.
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SM: What channel are you watching it on? Could it be older footage of Natalee on the beach maybe in Alabama? (klaasend)
I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT I JUST GOT TRAVEL BROCHURES.. TO ARUBA .. THAT I DIDNT REQUEST..
IT HAD ALL KINDS OF EMAIL ADRESSES .. I WROTE EM ALL AND TOLD THEM IT WASNT SAFE TO GO TO ARUBA.. TO MANY NUTS AND CRIMINALS AND NO LAWS..
KLAASAND
WHY AM I NOT GETTING AN EMAIL AS TO MY REQUEST TO JOIN THE FORUMS
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SM: Because you haven’t told me what nickname you requested under. I’m not approving anyone right now except by special request (like yours) we are so busy in the forum. So what nickname did you sign up under. I couldn’t find anything with the email addy you are using on the front page. (klaasend)
klaasand i think i used katiekatie2u
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KLAAASAND
I THINK MY NICKNAME USED WAS KATIEKATIE2U
email
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disregard the above
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sorry klaaasand IM SO SORRY
its
IM HAVING A BAD DAY.. AS U SEE GEEZZ
NICKNAME katiekatie2u
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THANKS FOR BEING PATIENT.. GEEZ IM ACTING LIKE JORAN LOONEY
KLAAASAND
ITS OK
THIS EMAIL IS NO PROBLEM.. EMAILS CAN BE CHANGED IF BE SO ..
I don’t think its from Aruba… I think they are from the beach in Alabama. Its my local channel 5. They have said they are new and never before released.
To give you a clue… Natalee is wearing a white bikini. A couple of the pictures show her laying down on a towel. A couple show her standing up. And a couple show her coming out of the water.
Hope these are released on the internet soon… I think everybody will want to see them.
thanks klaaasand
i was able to enter the forum
Katablog
Last night I watched a documentary on the
Discovery channel titled Crime Night: Most Evil
There was a case of this lady Downs ? who shot her three children of which one died afterwards.
The police interrogation was on video and they had this “facial expression expert” –for lack of a better word- analyzing the video. This expert could, by the smallest facial muscle movement determine fear, joy, etc and could
thereby determine if the answers were true or false. I was thinking if maybe this expert could be contacted and asked to take a look at the Joran confession tapes. We know that Joran mostly lies, but there is some truth in
what he says at times. So this person could see if what he says about the seizure, boat, etc is true or not. I do not know how good the video was, and whether you could get a goodlook at Jorans face, because I did not see it.
Guajiri
Katablog
In the same vein as my previous posting, in the beginning of the NH case, Karin Janssen was waiting for video equipment from Holland before arresting and interrogating Joran and the Kalpoes.
Do you know if videos were made of the interrogations and if so can this facial expression expert see them ?
Maybe this a question we can ask the FBI liaison or Art Wood ?
Guajiri
If he’s not in a psych ward, he should be!
In the case of Joran, a breakdown means a
relapse into conscienceness.
What’s wrong Little Sucker Thumb,
been thinkin’ about Natalee lately?
The last time you broke was June 8th,
the night that Natalee was killed…
You couldn’t quite take it could you, Joran?
All you have to do is come clean,
and it’s, like, WHAMMO (!),
No more thoughts of SUICIDE!!!
Take a chance… Live a while!
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Justice for Natalee
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IMO
#108 Lotte
I still think Joran was giving too much information. He could have answered Yes/No or refused to talk at all like he normally does. He was bragging and the cops were living vicariously and I’d bet they don’t just get this kind of entertainment when they bring someone in for questioning.
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Wow they sound amazing! I cannot wait to see them! I’ll bet Fox News or somebody else broadcasts them very soon. This is just too big a scoop for them to pass up!
Waterboy, also, i found the picture of the other lighthouse that doesnt look like a lighthouse…look at seroe colorado light house on aruba…..
I’ve been wondering something. You know how Beth has said on national TV that Joran gave a description of Natalee’s body and underwear. Don’t you think that Joran would have to have good light to see her body and underwear? Therefore, its likely this didn’t happen on the beach. Also, because I believe Natalee was/is a virgin, I don’t believe she removed her clothes revealing her body to Joran. I believe Joran probably removed her clothes. And once he removed her clothes, he was able to see her entire body hence give police a good description of it.
The things he allegedly said about her legs and chest area he couldn’t of possibly have known unless he got a long, hard look at her body. And I’m not talking about just a glance. Joran must of been so in awe at how beautiful Natalee’s body was that he must of stared at it for a long time to get a picture of it in his mind. Therefore, Natalee must of been knocked out.
Just my opinion… just my theory.
150 Moe…. I am thinking if it was full moom that night then his eyes would have adjusted to the night and would be able to see. But your theory is good too. Just talking out loud on this..
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I will bet you that Paulus needs a shrink about now, with his sporter son talking about being with Natalee when she died and having her body dumped in the ocean. I bet he is at a breaking point!! and I bet Anita is too!!
101 Lotta Lynya… reading between the lines it sounds like a rape gang situation. Joran just left out some big facts…. so maybe he felt to be explicit in his explanations of the sexual acts instead of telling the truth of and we all really just raped her!
I think Koen left Aruba because he was part of Jorans rape gang and had been active in it previously. He probably confessed to his father
how he is linked to Joran and the father thought
we have just got to get away from Aruba so you
will not be a suspect here
I truly believe this case will be solved soon. There are too many leaks in the dike and with Joran pulling his finger out this past month…others are talking now.
Wonder what Joran’s neighbors have heard/seen over the last several years with him and his gang at his apartment with one girl!!
If the ALE did their job there would have been more people coming forward.
#155 But that’s the strange thing about Aruba Sharon, they seem to go with the phrase – what happens in Aruba stays in Aruba – if Joran has any support it’s out of Aruba. Like the “friends” of Joran that tried to beat up Patrick, like the trolls we see here and like the horrible stories about Natalee and Beth – they all come from One Crappy Little Island.
It’s part of my reason for boycotting Aruba: there seem to be a good deal of people that are willing for the cover-up to continue. We know there has to be people who have some information, and yet they just sit there in the sand and make up stories.
#150 moe…….and if i remember correctly even the mother anita gave a detailed description of natalees underwear to beth. i believe that the body was at the sloots house, or jorans apartment, how else would he have been able to get such a detailed view of her body and Anita. she had to have been involved. why haven’t they investigated her. i believe she would crack under some pressure fro our FBI, especially if her younger boys were brought into the picture. she cannot protect joran now, he is too far gone, but she can certainly protect the younger two at whatever cost. a mother will do extreme things for her children as we have seen with Beth. good lord, we can only imagine what natalee went through at the hands of these evil, demented people, before she died. but, even though it is not much consolation, every one of them will stand before God one day and have to answer the charges laid before them. i daresay they will be able to bluff or lie their way out of that. the trap doors of hell will open wide for the van der scums!!
#145 guarjiri…..”if” they did video him making his statement you can bet your sweet arse that it has mysteriously disappeared by now!!!! never to be found. it’s how they do business in aruba…..
YESTERDAY
I RECIEVED TRAVEL BROCHURES TO ARUBA.. I DIDNT ORDER THEM.. BUT I HAD ACESS TO EMAILS TO TRAVEL AGENCIES IN THE USA AND OTHER COUNTRIES.. I EMAILED THEM TO SAY THAT.. I WOULDNT GO TO ARUBA IF MY LIFE DEPENDED ON IT.. THEIR ISLAND IS NOT SAFE AND THEIR GOVT IS CORRUPT..SO PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME TRAVEL BROCHURES.. UNTIL I SEE CHANGE.. IN HOW THEY HANDLE NATALEES CASE AND EVEN THAN I WOULDNT FEEL SAFE.. IT WOULD BE HYPOCRITAL OF ME AS AN AMERICAN TO SUPPORT TOURISM IN A COUNTRY THAT PROTECTS CRIMINALS LIKE JORAN FRANKENSTEIN VANDERSLUT AND HIS DADDY DAURY..
KAYE # 158
I CAN JUST PICTURE JORAN STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD.. TRYING TO TALK HIS WAY INTO HEAVEN.. AS THE LORD TELLS HIM TO WATCH.. THIS!!!
BEFORE HIM APPEARS NATALEE AS AN ANGEL…JORANS FACE TURNS GHOST WHITE….
THE GROUND OPENS UP WITH SHOOTING FLAMES.FLYING OUT OF THE GROUND. SATAN LAUGHSSSSSS AN EVIL LAUGH…WITH DISTORTED FEATURES… GRABS JORANS LEG DRAGE HIM IN SLOWLY.. AS HE (JORAN) SCREAMSSSS… FOR DADDY DAURY’S HELP
.. WHO HAS YET TO STAND BEFORE GOD HIMSELF.. BUT RIGHT NOW HES NO WHERE TO HELP JRAN……….
JORAN IS ALONE FACING THE EVIL ONE …HIS FATHER SATAN…
THERE HE FACED JUSTICE…ALL ALONE
#155 Katalog…You are so right… it’s the code that they live by in Aruba. It’s foundation is built on lies and corruption and the people know that and remain silent, afraid to break the code.
All it will take is one person coming forward.
Watching Aruba’s corrupt behavior the last two and half years now makes me feel like I have been made privy to how the “inside mafia family operates”…
they never will offer you justice whenever it is deserved. It is corrupt and dirty and full of lies and deceit and murder.
I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND.
. HOW ANYONE WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE THERE IS SO MUCH CRIME… AND TO THE PERSON THAT SAID.. IF ONE PERSON CAME FOWARD.. I THINK THEY WONT COME FOWARD BECAUSE THEY FEAR RETRIBUTION.. FROM PAUULUS.. WHO IM SURE IS INVOLVED IN MANY ASPECTS OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.. WHY ELSE WOULD HE HAVE SO MUCH POWER… DOESNT APPEAR TO ME THAT THE VANDERSLOOTS ARE RICH.. I SAY THAT BY OUTER APPEARANCE OF THEIR HOME AND THE CARS THEY DRIVE.. JR DIDNT HAVE A CAR.. UNLESS THEY HAVE THEIR MONEY IN SWISS BANKS… I KNOW THIS MAY SOUND STUPID… HE HAS TO BE TIED IN WITH .. MONEY LAUNDERING.. HUMAN TRACKING.. AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.. AND AND I BELIEVE THAT NATALEE WAS PROBABLY GANG RAPED BY ALL INCLUDING PAUULUS… TO THE PERSON THAT SAID OR PERSONS THAT SAID THAT PERHAPS SHES NOT IN THE WATERS… IT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.. AND A BIG POSSIBLILTY THAT SHE NATALEE. WAS TAKEN TO JORANS APARTMENT.. … TRUE HOW ELSE WOULD HE BE ABLE TO DETAIL HER BODY SO WELL.. ITS DARK BY THE BEACH.. IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD THE MEANS TO OFFER THE KALPOE BROTHER A MILLION EACH TO SPEAK AND THAN OFFER THEM AND THEIR MOM SAFETY ELSEWHERE… MAYBE THEY WOULD TALK.. THERES TO MUCH FEAR AND INTIMIDATION OF PAUULUS AND HIS CRONIES.. BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CORRUPT… SICK ROTTEN TO THE BONE….NO ONE WILL COME FOWARD UNLESS THEY ARE PAID AND PROMISED SAFETY… THATS SCARRY TO MANY.. NOT MUCH HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES OF THE KALPOE BROTHERS.. LATELY.. AND WONDER IF THEY HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH JORAN.. ANITA IS A SICKO TOOO. ALLOWING A 12 YR OLD TO COME TO HER PROPERTY AND HAVE SEX WITH HER SON.. IT SHOWS THAT SHE HAS LOST ALL CONTROL OF HER SON… IF SHE HAD ANY TO BEGAN WITH…. JORAN AND PAUULUS ARE PREDATORS IN THE CASINO AND BARS.. LOOKING FOR GIRLS. A GIRL DISAPEARED.. AMY WAS HER NAME.. IN ARUBA I THINK.. IT WAS SAID SHE WAS HUMAN TRAFFICKED…. SOUNDS PLAUSABLE.. DOES ANYONE THINK THATS A POSSIBILITY FOR NATALEE AND THATS WHY THERES SO MUCH HUSH.. ARE THEY TRYING TO THROW US OFF??? SOMEONE PLEASE COMMENT.. GREATLY APPRECIATE A RESPONSE… IVE GONE OVER THESE SCENARIOS IN MY HEAD.. AS WE ALL HAVE.. DRIVES ME NUTS .. HOW THEY .. HAVE NO LAWS.. MORALS… VALUES….
My Thoughts
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Pleeeeeese!!!!!
(sorry this is long)
Joran definitely wasn’t bragging about his sexual conquests in the June 24th statement. The June 24th interrogation was because Karen Martina came forward to claim that she was drugged by Joran, Freddy and others, then raped, and was photographed and/or video taped during the rape. The reason Joran gave detailed information in his statement was because he had to try to establish that the sex between them throughout that day and night was consensual and not forced and that there were no date rape drugs used.
But when you read the interrogation it’s totally unclear as to why Jacobs and Croes are even asking him about Karen and the other girls because they never reference any of Karen’s charges in it. There’s only about 5 “To your question…” that Joran seems to give an answer to but if you look close you can see that questions are being asked by Croes & Jacobs regarding the charges only they’re not answered beginning with: To your question…Example:
“At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my apartment. ”
Obviously the first sentence tells us that he’s being interrogated about Karen’s claim of rape and then he’s asked a question about Karen’s condition because she said they drugged her.
An August 8 video interrogation also makes a brief reference to Karin Martina’s claim that she had been given a date rape drug. Joran doesn’t respond.
I think this is the most important part of the corruption/cover-up in this case. What Joran, freddy, the Kalpoe boys, did to Natalee was the same thing they’ve being doing to young girls for a long time and proving this would nail their coffin shut. But it seems that all the victim’s statements in this matter have been sealed from the public along with the interrogation statements of all the boys. Freddy gave at least 9 statements through Feb/2006 but they’re not public (or I can’t find them) and he was arrested in Aug/2005 along with the Kalpoe boys regarding this but we have no statements. The statements that were most kept from the public in this case involve the ‘pimps’ hunting, drugging and raping young women for sport. That’s an important cover-up.
The only reason that Joran’s June 24th statement was made public was because the idiots who decide which statements go public and which stay sealed didn’t know what the hell this one was about because there was no obvious reference to rape, drugs or pornography!
sorry nctripp.. will do
I think he need’s help. His father is the master mind behind all of this. Joran went to his Dad for help that night and they had a choice. Because Joran raped Natalee and gave her the date rape drug they knew what the out come would be. That’s why no one has come forward to collect the reward money. Joran and his father need to be behind bar’s for life. His father need’s to come forward and tell the truth if for nothig else to help his own son. TexasEquuSearch is getting closer day by day to finding Natalee. This can’t be good for their mental state or composure. May the GUILT and SHAME eat at them until they just snap!!!! JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!!
#168 Nancy… Hey the apple does not fall far from the tree…..Like father like son (two monsters).
#125
An observation I made:
Joran magically knew when to shut
those ruby red lips of his. while sitting
in jail.) (june 23)
Anita or Antonio Carlos smuggled him
in that phone into his cell. imo
He had access
to make phone calls! (both incoming & outgoing)
They might have just as well given him his very
own f’n desk, Rolodex, and computer! He’s able to
keep making up the story as he goes along,
that cell phone was for communication with
mom & dear ol’ dad. That slime bag is still
talking w/ people & comparing notes…
That cell phone should be shoved up Mr. Van der
sloot’s a$$ with the antenna in the upright
position, ya know what I mean?
(dat is de troof)