RSSFBI: Fabric Found In Crab Trap During Aruba Water Search Not Natalee Holloway’s
The latest news in the Natalee Holloway investigation … According to the FBI, fabric collected from a crab trap found in the waters off of the island of Aruba did not match clothing worn by missing Natalee Holloway.
The question that first comes to mind is what was the FBI using as a clothes sample to compare the cloth fibers found in the crab trap? Do the investigators actually have evidence of Natalee’s clothes from the night that she went missing? Where would they have found such evidence? Could it have come from what an Aruban Park ranger found collecting evidence at Boca Tortuga? Or is there other evidence of Natalee’s clothes?
(See the rest of the pictures HERE)
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(pictures of crab trap in waters off Aruba)
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) ? An FBI analysis of fabric collected from a crab trap off Aruba showed the material did not match clothing worn by missing American Natalee Holloway, prosecutors said Tuesday.
The fabric was recovered in January by Aruban divers in about 90 feet of water as they searched for the body of the missing teenager, the public prosecutor’s office said in a statement.
The FBI compared the material to a blouse worn by Holloway, who was 18 when she disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island in May 2005. The results “showed that the two materials were not a match,” the statement said.
FBI: Fabric Off Aruba Not From Holloway
The FBI compared the material to a blouse worn by Holloway, who was 18 when she disappeared on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island in May 2005. The results “showed that the two materials were not a match,” the statement said.
Special Agent Ann Todd, a spokeswoman for the FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Va., said the lab could not comment on the case.
Holloway, of Mountain Brook, Ala., was last seen leaving a bar in the Aruban capital of Oranjestad with a Dutch college student and two Surinamese brothers. Extensive searches have found no trace of her.
Posted February 26, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Search and Recovery | 83 comments |
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Kudos to Greta for asking for a donation for Equusearch…I just sent a small donation and hope each monkey does the same.
Well, I guess it looks like Natalee wasn’t the first to be placed in a crab trap. I wonder how much evidence of other probable victims will be found. It’s no wonder Aruba resisted giving Persistence permission to search.
I am still very concerned for Patrick and even more so since it sounds like he’s been acosted. I am also still concerned about Persistence. The Crappy Little Island has many dark secrets and I can’t imagine that the corrupt scum are happy with Persistence finding evidence.
The picture above shows the fabric that was discovered on land, long ago. It closely resembles Natalee’s top. Has this original fabric ever been tested by our FBI or anyone else for that matter? Does anyone have any idea where this fabric is now?
I just heard Senior Frogs is opening tomorrow in Aruba. As you know, Carlos and Charlies closed and Senior Frogs, which is the same company as Carlos and Charlies is opening instead. Right on time for those young college spring break American kids. Senior Frogs has a reputation to promote even wilder and crazier behavior than Carlos and Charlies. It will be a matter of time, until we see something bad happening there again.
Let’s not forget the forest for the trees. At first blush, one reacts to the notion that the material did not belong to Natalee. However, there is more important significance in this latest chapter in the story line:
We are now made aware that “material was FOUND”, inside a crabtrap.
We are now made aware that the U.S. – FBI was given material for analysis…not Aruban keystone cops, but the FBI.
We are now made aware that Persistence is able & successful in locating items such as crabtraps in 90′ of water, under rough water conditions.
We wonder when someone (the FBI for instance) will ask the CORRUPT Aruban officials / polis / prosecutors & judges…. where are the sample search materials located in 2005? Who sent them where? What was the results of analysis tests? The FBI could use comparative information.
You can be certain that Persistence will locate and retrieve MUCH more…..and Aruba will shrivel and waste away like last week’s zit.
Sasha #4
“Right on time for those young college spring break American kids.”
Perhaps Senior Frogs may indeed open, but I doubt the walls will be busting and filled with American kids during spring break. Recently, 100′s of emails were sent to colleges, universities, and trade schools all across America asking school officials to post safety warnings to any students considering vacation travel to Aruba. Numerous college blogs have been having discussions concerning the Natalee drugging, raping, and disappearance.
Face it, who hasn’t seen or heard about Natalee on radio, TV, and internet blogs? 99.9999% of those watching her story have fixated on their own personal choice to BOYCOTT that unsafe sand bar. Aruba is finished…they won’t recover in 20 years, and shouldn’t.
ART WOOD INTERVIEWED
BY SM RADIO DANA PRETZER
HOLLOWAY SEARCH MAY BE TERMINATED PREMATURELY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg00oBt2QgQ
—
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN – FOX NEWS
2.26.2008 TIM MILLER
ARUBA RV PERSISTENCE MAY HAVE TO GO HOME WITHOUT NATALEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM
good points Bob.
This is the first evedence I know of that has been tested in USA.
I was hoping Persistence would send evidence to US
I just wonder if they also checked it against the skirt she wore that night.
As far as the Persistence continuing it’s search it will take some very hefty donations to continue. I wonder if any of the very wealthy among us have the interest or compassion to make those contributions. Maybe the Hollywood crowd who spends with such abandon could consider a worthy cause. Or Oprah who earns 350 million a year could assist. I truly think the owness lies with those that can really afford what it will take to help. So many millionaires and billionaires and movie stars who we adore, nice if they would get together in a selfless cause. JMO
The Aruban authorities, the merchants, the tourists and the residents need to help with a donation.
The US government, merchants, large corporations, our citizens desperately need to help with a donation.
It would be such a shame for the Persistence to have to discontinue their search when there is still hope of finding Natalee. We just have to get money to them somehow and in a hurry, the dives need to be completed.
Fox News, ABC News, Dateline and many others that have covered Natalee,s case need to help. We have support them for how long by being viewers.
Maybe the Dutch can help.
If her shirt was found on the beach that looked exactly liked the one in the picture. Then the material that was found in the cage could of been from some type of cloth or sheet that was wrapped around her that was used to cover her up before disposing her body into the ocean. There still could be some kind of connection.
I am sending $100 and if I can do it so can
others. I will gladly give up eating out a few times to continue the search. The danger is everyone will think their small donation will not matter but enough small donations will
be huge.
Picture #1 looks like a fishing net. The rest of the pics look like some type of towel. imo.
Par for the course – it only took 2 posts for this “material” to be proof someone was placed in a crab trap and dumped at sea. “Well, I guess it looks like Natalee wasn’t the first to be placed in a crab trap. I wonder how much evidence of other probable victims will be found.” Only 2 posts…Unreal.
I think the thought of Oprah donating is an excellent idea, I don’t think she would say NO! Oprah is a very generous person. Someone needs to contact Beth and have her get in touch with Oprah. Or perhaps Tim Miller could call her.
Let’s all send E-Mails to Oprah, pronto! Go to Oprah.com, type in email address for Oprah, screen will pop and down at the bottom left hand side it says e-mail us, click on and then I selected , Do your have a great idea?! Just fill it and send it on!!!
I began with “Oprah, American’s desperately need your help today”
Say whatever you want but make sure she’s know why the rush for help…
Hey Sporter…
http://tinyurl.com/2bzonp
Where’s OUR “Baby Boo”, ya li’l knuckle-nuts?
http://tinyurl.com/2dzd6j
We are really *ALL* collectively SO OVER
your “SHENANIGANS”, dude.
…and I mean that
OH SO COMPLETELY!
http://tinyurl.com/yw6ner
-j4n
What’s this about LARDASS & CHARLIES closing in aruba ???
I hope they have the time and money to search the strait between Aruba and Venezuella. I believe that is where they will find Natalee… Remember the hand (monkey) bone?
Brie #14 – Great Idea!
yoyo is like a commercial on TV. They all suck but every now and again you get a really funny one
Here’s another one….email CNN, they have 4000 news gathering professionals staffed 24/7….their email address is cnn@cnn.com
How do we know that the right piece of cloth got to the FBI,and was not switched like the blood sample from the car. I would not trust an ARUBAN on the BACKSIDE OF A PLATEGLASS WINDOW.
There is nothing wrong with Aruba that a SPRUANCE HAIRCUT wont CURE.
BOYCOTT ARUBA UNTIL NATALEE GETS JUSTICE.
I have donated $200. How about the rest of you PEOPLE?
BOYCOTT ARUBA UNTIL NATALEE GETS JUSTICE.
You can email a donation…the email address is
donate@texasequusearch.org
If that cloth was not from Natalee, then who was it from. They dont bate crab traps with CLOTH, DO THEY ????
BOYCOTT ARUBA UNTIL NATALEE GETS JUSTICE.
I am hoping the Persistence team is bypassing Aruba and sending evidence it recovers straight
to the FBI
The casino’s in Aruba could really help out..Ahata could also cast some money….lots of hotels there, they can pitch in too..
It would be a terrible shame for the Persistence and all the crew to have to end the search, there is enough money in the world to keep them out there and let them finish their search. Natalee’s remains could be found in their final dives. How disheartening it would be for them when they have done so much and had to leave still thinking Natalee was there. Tim Miller looked like he was really to cry on Greta’s interview.
Please, let’s all send whatever you can and maybe even a little more…
Arubans knock on Paulus’s door and ask for a donation and if he says no, we will tell the world he refused because he doesn’t want her found. That would certainly be an admission of guilt. And if he says yes, just take the money and run.
Another good one to email….Ellen Degeneres.com, she has a box on the home page entitled email, just fill it out and add your comments. She is also a very generous person.
I’m thinkin’ the same thing, Ray. How do we know the material wasn’t “switched”. Hit me right off that “Aruban Divers” discovered the material.
Donations can go to 2 place….Texasequusearch.org—or
The Natalee Holloway Foundation
PO Box 4363
Meridian, MI 39304
Donations are used in their entirety for funding specifically for continued operation of the PERSISTENCE. All employees do NOT get paid, and all volunteer 100% of their time so every penny of our donations will go towards keeping that boat in the ocean.
Come on, everyone…..let’s push to keep the hope alive of bringing Natalee back home.
-J4N
keep on donating,these search guys love aruba,
love the vacation in paradise.
dining,wining and casinos…
come too,lets join them…
put money,where your mouth is…
___________
SM: While we are donating, we will keep on boycotting as well.
Donating provides that someone do a selfless act … something that you would know nothing of by the looks of your heart.
R
In the begining when Natalee first disappeared wasn’t there an auction to help raise support dollars.
I don’t recall who, but perhaps something like that could again be held.
There is actually some other question you should ask here !
It was the Persistance that found the echo of the shirt. It were ARUBAN divers, who handed over the evidence AFTER INSPECTION BY THE ARUBAN/DUTCH criminal investigators to the FBI.
Which sample do you think the FBI got and will receive in the future ?
Every little bit of evidence found by the Persistance, will firstly be screened by Dutch / Aruban investigators, than approval has to be given by the Aruban legal authorities to hand it over to the FBI.
@ Ray,
Me donating ? As a Dutch citizen, I allready pay enough tax for the criminal investigation and the legal costs, just because of one missing girl in Aruba, which does not even belong to the Netherlands !
Trying to get my point across which is.
a: Material from crab cage
b: Material from where to compare?
I don’t doubt the material is not the same but it is how they arrived at the conclusion is what bothers me. “They said from the blouse that Natalee wore the night she disappeared. To me that is an oops like “we did this twenty times before and nothing ever happened”
There are thirty three reasons why this could not happen and therefore I do not believe the report:
The material has been exposed to salt water for 33 months.
The blouse that Natalee wore was purchased 33 months or more ago.
The sample blouse would have had to be from the same manufacturing run as Natalee’s original which was last run 33 months or more ago.
For me to believe what the FBI released I would have to read the chemical and spectro analysis that they used. Something other that the pictures of Natalee showing she wore a teal halter top with white hearts as compared to this material that has been bleached by salt water for 33 months. BTW how large was this sample?
I shifted from NJ to MO with anything pertaining to NAH. It is now “SHOW ME”
The other expanation is the FBI has the captioned material; they have identified the fragment as the blouse Natalee wore the night she disappeared.
I agree with jasper
that 30& income tax is donation enough (and that is besides the taxes raised by cities, Amsterdam is very creative with tax issues)
and althoug I wish that the Persistence find miss. Holloways bodie I don’t find it likely and I am against throwing my money in a bottomless pit (we got our goverment for that)
___________
SM: Maybe you should be asking your govt why you pay so much in taxes that you feel you have no $’s to help donate to your own causes. That’s more a product of your govt and economic culture.
Let that be a lesson to all you that think high taxes and having the govt be your nanny is the answer.
RED
I don’t think we should turn any evidence over to the Aruban authorities….we all know they covered-up from day one. Anything that could represent evidence does belong in their dirty hands.
10061906 -
It is very likely that someone went out and bought several copies of the clothes that she was wearing soon after she went missing.
The FBI forensics are pretty good….and this board has been complaining for years that you would only believe results from them, so it is time to accept that this particular peice of cloth is not hers.
I somehow doubt that if Natalee were dumped in the ocean that she would still be wearing the clothing that she had on earlier that evening… I can’t imagine that identifying fabric would necessarily indicate that her remains were (or were not) in the crab trap! Sounds a bit off to me!
[...] are stating that the piece of clothing and DNA was not a match to missing Alabama teen in Aruba, Natalee Holloway. One might presume the first question is … [...]
Already one post about this, but WHAT ever DID happen to the original article or clothing found on the beach? Is it with Joran’s shoes and belt somewhere?
I wonder if the evidence is what was burned up in the crematorium. Would make alot of sense…and then the guy who ran the place was found dead…wasn’t he?
Why would the clothing HAVE to match?? It’s very possible/probable, that Natalee clothing was removed and she was wrapped in something else… (sure the FBI has considered this)… and/or, if not Natalee, then why is clothing in a crab trap?
Praying for answers ~ and for Natalee’s family and this search team ~
more heartbreaking news….if they are positive that this is not natalees clothing, then who’s is it? i’m inclined to believe that her clothing could have been torn from her body during the assault and she may have been wrapped in a blanket or some other wrap or someone elses clothing. Yes, quite possibly I watch far too much TV and my imagination runs away from me but there are so many “what ifs” and i don’t think ANY “what if” should be discounted. it’s just so ironic that this crab cage was found out from the lighthouse and contained clothing. who’s is it? remember joran said “we’ve done this about 20 times before”. not that they have put their victim is a crab cage before but that they have used the “pimping” game that is so popular on the island before.who says this hasn’t happened before with some of the other “pimps”? let’s keep praying for Persistance and for natalee.
Brie (#14) … Last week I wrote to Jossy Mansur, editor of the Diario and a consistent supporter of the Holloway Twittys, expressing anger that neither Aruba nor the Dutch have contributed one cent to the costs of the Persistence.
In my eyes, since the crime took place on Aruba, it is THEIR duty to investigate and pay the costs.
We’ve already seen from the landfill search who does the real work … Americans. This, of course, is just another argument to boycott the whole Netherlands Antilles. Your loved one went missing? You want answers? Go pay for them!
Anyway, I suggested to Mansur that if Arubans are really as “concerned” about the case, and angry at Joran, as recent articles would suggest, then they should be given the chance to help pay for the costs of the crime on the “one happy island.”
And I suggested that he would be the logical one to take the lead in this.
The answer was positive. Let’s hope that something will be coming from Aruba.
Bob (#5 and #6) … you’re absolutely right. Perhaps the presence of Aruban police on the boat was actually a good sign. Anyway, let’s hope that what you are saying works out; that our young people will realize that any one of them could be another Natalee … and that Aruba would again shrug its shoulders. This is one of the points that makes continuing the boycott essential.
Contribute to the mission of the Persistence, folks … and also consider contributing to the costs of those people standing up in Boston, New York, and elsewhere to tell Americans: THIS COULD BE YOU. BOYCOTT ARUBA.
I’ve contributed to both.
And as Bob and others have noted … to say that the material in the crab cage isn’t part of Natalee’s clothing doesn’t answer the question: what IS it? What else was in the cage? We know that Tim Miller was convinced for a time that “this was it” … one wonders why?
I trust the FBI on this one. There isn’t any plausible reason I can think of for them to lie about the findings, and I’m sure they have the necessary expertise.
All that it proves is that, if Natalee’s body were indeed put in a crab cage, it wasn’t this particular one.
the SM statement said materials found…
the FBI is taking everything in consideration and most likely on the DNA/Material found in this crab cage/surrounding area of the ocean bottom floor… will identify every smidge of evidence found before coming out and saying it’s her… I’ve a feeling, this is Natalee ~ (rest her beautiful soul).. God Bless and be with her family.
flippy 37: please read again what I posted:
“I don’t doubt the material is not the same but it is how they arrived at the conclusion is what bothers me. “They said from the blouse that Natalee wore the night she disappeared. To me that is an oops like “we did this twenty times before and nothing ever happened”
You are making an unsubstantiated conclusion; in other words your logic is not correct:
“It is very likely that someone went out and bought several copies of the clothes that she was wearing soon after she went missing.”
Prove it.
45 kitty….i’m with you, my heart, my gut and everything I have read tells me this is natalee. the likelihood of finding “the” crab cage directly out from the lighthouse WITH clothing in it is just too much of a coincidence. it’s just too much NOT to think this MIGHT be her. the persistence has the sophisticated equipment to find a dime on the ocean floor, if there were more of these huge cages in this area they would have found them by now. BUT KEEP SEARCHING PERSISTENCE!!!we cannot give up now.
I’m sorry…to all of my fellow Monkeys….I understand your concern over this bit of material found in that crab trap….and I hate being the one to offer this information….but often crab bait is wrapped in small bags or bits of scrap cloth to hold it in place and to attract crabs while being tied to the bottom of the cage. Remnants of a bait bag is more than likely what was found in this particular cage. This crab or fish cage has obviously been at the bottom of the ocean for a long period of time. I dont want to be negative….only realistic.
I am saddened by the fact that the ocean search may be ending and I will also make a donation in hopes that it may continue. God bless Natalle…and her family and each of the supporters in this cause for right and justice.
If Natalee was in this cage, then where is the rest of her? Why would only a bit of clothing be left?
And how big is that cage? It’s hard to tell but it looks huge — does it match the size of the cage stolen from Fisherman’s Huts the night she disappeared?
It’s OK if this isn’t her — we just have to please, please keep searching. We all have gut feelings that she is out there and can be found. Only a matter of time before we find her.
flippy 37
Begging the question does not mean to bring up the question. It means to present as true a premise that requires proof–i.e., taking a conclusion for granted before it is proved or assuming in the premises of your argument what is supposed to be proved in the conclusion. (This fallacy is related to the circular argument.)
So your statement concerning people purchased copies of her blouse: to you that satisfied your reasoning but is unsubstantiated for a positive conclusion.
Did I hear Tim Miller say something last night about finding a skull in the cage too? Maybe I misheard him but I thought he said something about that?
51 Pam; He thought what he was looking at resembled a skull. We don’t know what it really was; Tim never said. I have the show on DVD; Ill check again but I don’t think he described what he saw.
To the poster who placed emphasis on Dr Hodges book “Into The Deep”; I have read it twice. Though he makes for interesting reading and at times interjects some very explicit sexual descriptions, albeit “Post Facto”, his conclusion is flawed from the beginning of his analysis.
Deepak’s email. His friend won the $100.00 of the $360.00 that Natalee lost.
MBHS Students: Joran won some of the money back that Ruth lost.
Joran’s book substantiates that. The casino tape shows Ruth gambling not Natalee.
MBHS never saw Natalee gamble at anytime.
Joran liked Ruth better.
So in the initial lines of Deepak’s email it is flawed insofar as he has the wrong girl from the get go.
So based on this book, Joran’s boat statement and the ALE telling everyone where to search; those are the only reasons to look to the Ocean.
One a liar’s words, one the Keystone Cops and the other unsubstantiated mind thoughts.
The amount of work required for this scene is about the same amount I placed on cremation; in retrospect both are just too complicated.
10061906
There is video of Natalee at casino table with Joran, Paulus and others. She was gambling that night. I don’t believe a word that comes out of Joran’s mouth.
Michelle 54: Apparently another poster posting just for the hell of it.
Look at the video and tell me who is gambling and who is sitting next to the person who is gambling.
Or are you too getting Ruth and Natalee confused.
NO WHERE IN THE VIDEO DOES IT SHOW NATALEE GAMBLING.
For that matter the MBHS students never saw Natalee gambling while on Aruba.
Are they also liars????
#49 Bobbie, yes I thought the same thing that the cage looked huge and wondered if it was the same size as at the hut?
Poor Tim learned a lesson not to call Dave with news that they found her (Natalee)…poor Dave and I am sure Tim felt badly.
They will continue their search. I watched the MSN interview with Beth, Dave and Tim it was very interesting. God protect them all.
I haven’t read Into The Deep but I did visit his website and read Hodges theories on the Holloway case based on his use of “thoughtprints”. The thoughtprint method was interesting to read about but I think Hodges takes it a little to far.
For instance, according to Hodges, Joran throws wine instead of a chair or table at Devries because the wine represents the ocean water on Natalee’s face.
I’m thinking Joran wasn’t going to be throwing a table or chair at DeVries because that would have landed him in jail. Also, I doubt that all the people who’ve thrown a drink in someone’s face, have also thrown a victim into the deep ocean.
with you on that #47 ~ keep praying and keep it up Persistance Team, & FBI…!
Are the protests only for the big shows? A friend of mine in the Midwest said she heard that Aruba will be in 2 shows in the beginning of March. I could only find a link for one of them.
http://tinyurl.com/ywqecz
erica 59: God I love that name and my wife would not let me name one of our daughters Erica.
Here is one and there is another in June in Washington DC at the Ronald Reagen Center. It is a big Caribbean Show. I’ll try to find it.
http://www.nyttravelshow.com/
#53 1006 said “Deepak’s email. His friend won the $100.00 of the $360.00 that Natalee lost.
MBHS Students: Joran won some of the money back that Ruth lost.
Joran’s book substantiates that. The casino tape shows Ruth gambling not Natalee.
MBHS never saw Natalee gamble at anytime.
Joran liked Ruth better.”
Deepak actually said Natalee lost $360 of her Father’s money.
Playing Devil’s Advocate again….
Who had her Father’s Money? Did Ruth’s father give her money like that to take on the trip? Natalee did have $500 Dave gave her. Sure, she wasn’t supposed to use it in Aruba, but you never really know what kids do when no one is looking. We all have wonderful responsible kids who amaze us at times.
See, this is where my thoughts about Natalee being sold come into play. If she lost money and wanted to get it back before she went home and had to face the music, she may have gotten into something she didn’t realize and ended up sold.
Just a thought.
Erica (#59) … Please send to JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com ANY information that you find about Aruba Tourism Authority holding travel promotional events ANYWHERE in the U.S.
10061906 #60 Thanks!
Richard #62 Thank you I will send it now.
does anyone know what this is about?
http://www.arubanboycott.blogspot.com
Feb 25, 2008 under “second annual boycott of aruba in boston a success” 14 comments, #3. dated feb 26, 2008 .what is this about Persistence finding a blue barrell. fbi called in with forensic experts. no dutch involved. us handling this with support from Washington authority. I hope and pray this is not someones idea of another sick prank!
i don’t remember reading anywhere that natalee lost money gambling or was gambling at all on any day. the night of the video, she was just watching. dave did give her $500.00, but it was to help pay for the trip, and he wasn’t expecting it back. unless there is a more reliable source than deepak or jvds who said otherwise, i’ll stick with the no gambling theory.
dennisintn
The way I remember; Natalee left in the bank in Alabama the $500.00 that her father gave her. She also did not have a debit card with her according to Beth. Still don’t know why Jacobs kept hounding Beth about a debit card.
Ruth had a debit card and Ruth is (?) the one that lost the money.
It shows Ruth gambling with Joran next to her. Now here is an interesting question. Did Ruth lose the money May 29th when the casino tape was made or was it another night. If it was that night then there definitly was an introduction to Joran and Ruth could tell what table she was at and who the dealer was when Joan won back the
$100.00 (only he could win back)
In picture #1, I see something that looks like a skull resting at the top of the blanket. I assume that anything that is bone crushing, such as sharks, would not be able to fit into the crab trap so there is hope in finding a body, or body parts left in the trap, even after two years.
Keep the Faith! The fact that the F.B.I. is involved in testing the articles found by Tim is encouraging. If they say there was D.N.A., that means there was atleast one body part. If it was a skull, it wouldn’t be hard to extract D.N.A. and compare it to Natalee. It’s doubtful that any D.N.A. could have been extracted from the cloth material as the sea would have washed the presense of D.N.A. away.
It is the dark history of Aruba that will become apparent with this search of the sea, as it is my belief that Natalee was not the first to be killed in Aruba, nor will she be the last. The sea is calling out to be explored and the soil around the rocks area of Arashi Beach is crying to be discovered.
The Dutch have taken samples of the soil around the rocks and have said that the D.N.A. tests are very difficult. Perhaps, just as in the sea, there are multiple victims; thus multiple D.N.A. samples to be determined.
And now, Aruba says they don’t want Joran to return to their island, in hopes that we will be fooled into believing that if Joran is not there, there are no problems. I think we all know different.
.
Boycott!
Once again….the forest for the trees. Let me float a thought. If the “material” was “not” Natalee’s……does the DNA match that of Paulus’ wife, Anita!!!!????!!!!
As some have speculated, if Natalee was brought to van der Sloot’s crib, and the chubby bimbo later made comment about Natalee’s underwear….could Joran or Paulus sort of “redressed” Natalee with whatever clothing his mother may have left laying around, perhaps from a pile of to-do wash??? If Natalee’s nighttime party garments may have been blood soaked, or contained Joran’s “DNA”, similarly to Bill Clinton’s DNA on his interns dress……well there you have it. Replace the clothing, dispose of the original clothing, and dump the package (Natalee redressed) overboard in a metal crabtrap.
Absolutely ANYTHING is possible, anything is PLAUSABLE. In the meantime:
BOYCOTT THE CORRUPT SAND BAR KNOWN AS ARUBA
SM: Maybe you should be asking your govt why you pay so much in taxes that you feel you have no $’s to help donate to your own causes. That’s more a product of your govt and economic culture.
Let that be a lesson to all you that think high taxes and having the govt be your nanny is the answer.
RED
well that is a question we ask ourselfs everyday (tax) and I give 30eu to 3 causes, amnesty, vluchtelingenwerk (refugee aid) and wnf
and the whole debate about our system versus the us system should be done somewhere else
#69
I believe you started it!!
#68 Bob
I’m with ya on checking to see if there are matches to the VDS’s …but I have a question…
Would there still BE any DNA on a piece of cloth that had been in the ocean for so long?
From all I’ve read the FBI simply said the fabric did not match what Natalee was wearing that night. I didn’t see where the FBI said anything about checking for DNA.
I’m going out on a great big limb….
A psychic or 2 or 3 have said they saw Natalee wearing a white men’s shirt while at the VDS camp that night. I wonder if the fabric was of such a nature?
I wonder how only a piece of fabric could end up on a body someone was trying to hide. Seems like there would be no chance of leaving only a small piece behind…UNLESS, let’ say she was wearing something of Joran’s or Paulus’s -like one of their shirts- (maybe after being in the bathtub VDS-the-younger mentioned on that message board)
and she died in it while being tied up and hidden, rigor set in and they couldn’t get it off her without cutting it to pieces. That would certainly be one way a piece of fabric might be left behind. And it would explain how that searcher on the rocks had a piece of Natalee’s top in his hand.
#’s 65 and 66
I believe, and anyone can please correct me if I’m wrong….in Dave’s book he said he told Natalee she could NOT spend the $500 on her trip because he was against her going.
I’m really not trying to make some big deal out of this or say anything crappy about Natalee, but honestly we all know our kids defy us when they think we are being unreasonable; they just don’t want to get caught doing it.
There is controversy over whether or not Natalee had her debit card with her. I think it’s important because the island is known to want to drain your resources while you are there.
And while I’m not a big believer in Deepak’s words, it is odd that he would reference Natalee and her Father’s money in the same breath. Father is the key! Why didn’t he say HER money?
Now you know, people…please don’t get mad at me….but the best and most honorable of kids hold secrets from us. Natalee, if she were like any good girls of her age that I know,….and YES I do mean good, would probably have been a bit bent out of shape that she was given a gift that she was not allowed to treat as if it were hers to do as she pleased with. As my son once politely pointed out to me when I sort of did this same thing to him “Is it my money now or not?” In other words, can you give someone a gift and then still own it?
As for Ruth…Did Ruth’s Father give her money? And if so, then why would Ruth be concerned about losing her Father’s money? Unless someone can tell me for sure Ruth didn’t want her Father to know she lost his money, then I can’t let go thinking Natalee lost her Father’s money like Deepak said.
Because look….if she did lose it and felt like she had a chance to win it back before going home….she might have gotten in deeper. This would explain the first Posters where Beth wanted Natalee to know It would all be OK. (I don’t think though, by that time Natalee still had any control over what happened to her..by this theory anyway)
In the end though, something happened that caused Natalee to still be missing, and I’m sure it wasn’t something she wanted. But unless all avenues are traveled, well….I’m just sayin’ if this is about gambling debts incurred while gambling at some other place where the stakes are higher, SHE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOLD. And this would take the case in an entirely different direction.
I read early on that different casinos have different limits on how much you can wager. As I recall the HI was rather small potatoes. But Joran would know where the better places were…and so would Paulus who just so happened to be right there at the HI table when Joran had to quit after winning back only $100. Could Paulus have been vouching for some other gambling hole where you could potentially play less hands to win more money?
No doubt everyone knew the MB kids came from wealthy families. That’s one of Joran’s fans’ favorite things to talk about. And we KNOW it’s all the Island big shots think about. So is it possible Natalee was assumed to be rich? And they let her run up a line of credit she could not pay back? But that they thought they could get from Daddy? Remember, “How much money do you have?” Remember Julia R? “$4000 to get Natalee back?” They didn’t get it, so she’s gone.
I mean, if this were true, it may have even been a private game? Where IS Posner? And why is Taco involved in this?
You talk about needing to protect something in Aruba…unsavory gambling practices would be high on my list. And don’t forget, Joran has been accused of cheating at cards by other tourists.
Finally, in Dave’s book he remarks about how Natalee would go the extra mile to not disappoint.
Just some things to think about.
mom # 71
Your reference to DNA….I read differently:
“Reports are stating that the piece of clothing and DNA was not a match to missing Alabama teen in Aruba, Natalee Holloway. One might presume the first question is … then who’s is it? How many crab traps with clothing in them are in the waters of Aruba?”
I think salt water “cleanses” almost everything….but I do recall an HBO special a few years ago that featured Dr. Michael Baden, arguably the world’s top forensic expert. I believe he mentioned many “cases” where both innocent/guilty parties were either proven/disproven based upon DNA that existed for testing after the most extreme conditions and locations found. Recently, DNA was reported found in “fosslized” matter thousands of years old. Hope is still held out DNA could be recovered. I wish I knew.
I forgot who asked but here is a partial schedule:
2008
FEBRUARY 22-24 — Caribbean Village at Boston Globe Travel Show, Boston, Massachusetts
FEBRUARY 29 – MARCH 2 — A Caribbean Celebration at The New York Times Travel Show, New York; http://www.nytimes.com/travelshow
MARCH 29-30 — Caribbean Village at Adventures in Travel Expo, Washington, DC
JUNE 21-24 — Annual Caribbean Tourism Summit, Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center, Washington, DC
Can anyone confirm that the RV Persistence remained onscene after the Aruban authorities were shown the initial images but before the Persistence’s divers descended to examine the trap?
#33 jASPER
Why dont the DUTCH people tell the ungrateful BEGGERS on aruba to paddle their own canoe. They should have their own coast guard and army. I for one will have a big laugh the day that HUGO invades aruba.
BOYCOTT ARUBA.
Donations can go to 2 place….Texasequusearch.org—or
The Natalee Holloway Foundation
PO Box 4363
Meridian, MI 39304
Donations are used in their entirety for funding specifically for continued operation of the PERSISTENCE. All employees do NOT get paid, and all volunteer 100% of their time so every penny of our donations will go towards keeping that boat in the ocean.
Come on, everyone…..let’s push to keep the hope alive of bringing Natalee back home.
-J4N
MI is Michigan. Did you mean MS? Mississippi?
Disgustedmon,
I think i read in Dave’s book that Natalee put the Grad gift money in her bank act the next day.
BOYCOTT ARUBA
YOU SEE …
CASE WILL BE CLOSED IN JUNE….
NO EVIDENCE, NO PROOF….OF ANYTHING…
STILL A MISSING PERSONS CASE ….
ONLY TIME WILL TELL…..
Regarding the amount of money Natalee took to Aruba…Here’s at least one reference that says she didn’t take a lot. I’m sure there’s more references out there.
Mountain Brook Student Alana Jordan:
“June 12th, 2005 2:39 am: It wouldn’t surprise me if they did drug her… they would have had ample opportunity… we got free food and drinks at the hotel, so very few of us had anything at the club and Nat didn’t even bring a lot of money, so if she had anything at the club, that kid probably bought it for her, giving him the op. to slip something in it. “
#81
It was also said Natalee had $50 with her when she went to CC’s.
Beth also said the 50 crisp one dollar bills she had given Natalee for tipping were still in her room.
So….Natalee HAD cash besides the tip money?
But what is interesting to me is how any of her friends knew how much she had taken with her that night. I mean, who goes around announcing how much they are taking with them?
I’d be interested to know how much her friends took. Did they all take $50?
And moreover….why take $50 to go drinking? At CC’s 2 drinks were free that night. And let’s see….she got to CC’s about 10 something…so why would she need $50 for drinks for only less than 3 hours?
So many possibilities…such as, was anything going on that required a cover charge of $50?
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