RSSScared Monkeys Would Like to Welcome ABC News to the Natalee Holloway Story and the Date Rape Drug Theory
Does anyone not think that the Mountain Brook teens were intentionally targeted? The MO is obvious of what island predators do to unsuspecting girls on vacation with their guard down. Only this time … something bad happened.
Well it only took about 2 years and 9 months; however, ABC News has finally come on board with Scared Monkeys in the Joran Van der Sloot date rape drug theory. First it was news casters at FOX News and now ABC. Welcome to the party, its about time you could make it!
We have been asking since the initial days of his investigation … why do three boys go to Carlos N’ Charlies one half hour before closing? (This is an important post to go back and read) The evidence, words, statements actions and reactions are all there to review. Its just a matter of someone in Aruba stepping to the plate and acting to prosecute the crime.
VAN SUSTEREN: When you arrived at Carlos ‘n Charlie’s, any idea about what time it is?
VAN DER SLOOT: It was probably, you know, 12:15, I think, 12:30 maybe.
VAN SUSTEREN: How late does it stay open?
VAN DER SLOOT: That night it was open until 1:00 AM.
Especially when it was a Sunday and Joran Van der Sloot had stated to other Mountainbrook teens that he had met that C&C was no fun that night.
MCVAY: He came with his friends. He had told us that night that Sunday was not a fun night on the island and that no one goes out. So we found it ironic that he showed up.
It was not ironic … it was a planned, premeditated action. Think it was not a premeditated targeting of an American female tourist?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, Greta: And you’re like, you know, what, you know what are you doing? Because it was… it was a normal… it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing… nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it’s happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong. (Fox – Greta Interview part 2)
So how exactly does one go to a club and within 1/2 hour leave with a targeted tourist as has happened 20 times before? How does a girl get separated from her friends and get into a car with 3 guys she has never met? The answer is rather simple. As ABC News has finally stepped to the plate and surmised … Was Natalee Holloway Drugged? Medical Experts Tell ABC News Alabama Teen May Have Been Drugged.
Medical experts tell ABC News that the description Joran van der Sloot gave of convulsions apparently experienced by Natalee Holloway on the night she disappeared could be consistent with the date rape drug GHB, and not simply alcohol intoxication.
The question has resurfaced after a Dutch undercover documentary aired last week on ABC News in which Van der Sloot, the prime suspect, describes in harrowing detail how Holloway went into convulsions during an amorous encounter on an Aruban beach the night she disappeared.
Doctors and pharmacologists who spoke to ABC said that it’s in general unlikely that alcohol poisoning alone could have caused the otherwise healthy Alabama teen to convulse the way Van der Sloot described it to a man who he believed was a friend but who was actually working undercover for a Dutch investigative journalist.
Was there really any question as to what happened the night that Natalee Holloway was last seen with Joran Van der Sloot? Any person who has the ability of deductive reasoning can piece this case together. That of course discounts the ALE, judges and Aruban prosecutors.
Convulsions ‘Consistent’ With Date Rape Drug
“If you gave me a choice based on [Van der Sloot's description of the convulsions], alcohol would be lowest on the list and GHB the highest,” said Paul Doering, distinguished service professor of pharmacy practice at the University of Florida’s College of Pharmacy. (ABC News)
Posted February 19, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Bizarre, Corruption, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Main, Media, Missing Persons, Murder, Natalee Holloway | 131 comments |
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It’s the theory that makes the most sense.
You would never kill a girl, Joran?
Well, if you drugged her and she died–then you KILLED her.
Targeting is a good way to put it. Also, I’ve heard that these predators often attack when the victim is leaving the next day-it makes the victim more reluctant to press charges if they have to miss their flight.
Aruba Authorities KNOW this. Somewhere it was said by Hans Mos that they have chat records between Deepak and Joran talking about what they do with American Tourist girls.
The inconsistencies that Aruba touts to not arrest Joran are: location of pay phone, Daury
The consistencies that they don’t want to talk about are a mile and a half long!
From my blog just for a started:
Joran being the last person seen with Natalee; Deepak and Satish’s statements saying they left Joran and Natalee at the beach;
Joran’s description of Natalee having seizures which fits with questions asked for Beth and Dave; very early in the investigation, the searches on the computer;
Joran’s early confession;
medical experts statements about the effects of a victim given GHB and alcohol;
Michael Dompig’s statement to Dave Holloway that Paulus borrowed a neighbor’s boat that day;
Joran’s missing shoes;
and the words Joran attributes to Daury which sound exactly like what a parent would say
The expert responses to ABC were very strong. GHB is the overwhelming probability. Mixed with 151 they needed to get her into the waiting car fast, which they did. All actions of the Perps are consistent with GHB drug and rape.
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT? ARUBA SEEM TO DO WHAT EVER THEY WANT THEY DONT CARE ABOUT THE CASE I DO NOT TRUST THE ARUBA POLICE,WHY THEY WANT TO QUESTION PATRICK? THEY NEVER INTENDED TO TELL THE TRUTH ,I’M SURE THEY KNOW ALL OF IT, I HOPE PATRICK IS BEING PROTECTED DOWN IN ARUBA
THESE LOW LIFE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE SHADY
Hi, folks,
Plans are gearing up very well for Boston and NY!
Volunteers will stand up for Natalee and her justice due–
TWICE in key cities.
Vicki especially deserves kudos for all her hard work.
Also, Richard wrote an amazing flyer.
If anyone can’t go but wants to help, funds are needed
for things like shipping costs.Those beautiful signs and banners are an important part of each protest but do have substantial costs to move around.
Not only do they have to be shipped to each show, but also at the conclusion, shipped back to Jamie.
So, any financial assistance toward that is greatly needed and appreciated. Also, there are always flyers to keep copying as we run out–-things like that.
The attendees pay a lot of out-of-pocket expenses just to attend and stay a day or more.
So, any assistance for
materials, etc. is very much appreciated.
In no way do I want to take away from the Persistence.
But the reality is, we could use a little help.
So, thank you for reading. And let’s all keep fighting for Natalee!
JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
Okay, here’s a neutral question. People have been posting, hot and heavy, about their favorite candidate for “Daury.”
Rather than do that … why don’t we list the key names so that we can focus on them?
The big three so far, I think, are:
Paulus van der Sloot
Lorenzo van Rijn
Koen Gottenbos
Should we put on anyone else as potential members of this ‘Hall of Shame’? What about the Kalpoes?
How about Steve Croes, who lied from early on?
Just wondering.
(I’m not getting into the issue of whether we can accept the very existence of ‘Daury’ or the disposal of the body in the ocean.)
CNN Interview Feb. 23, 2006
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, the one thing that I heard you reference a while ago is predatory type behavior. And one thing I wanted to let you know was that when I arrived on the island, I went to the Holiday Inn, was probably there within about 45 minutes of getting to the island, and I only had a portion of Joran’s name. I can’t remember if I had the Sloot part, or Jordan, but when I began describing him to the Holiday Inn night manager who was on duty, she knew exactly who he was. And she said, yes, I know exactly, that’s Joran Van Der Sloot. He tends to prey upon young American tourists. So I thought that was pretty unique.
I understand that Aruba investigators want to question Patrick. I suppose that they will ask him where he was the night that Natalee disapeared.
NOW… we have the motivation behind daddy’s statement, “no body, no crime”, for a body would have evidence of the cause of death. That is why no help was rendered; only panic and disposal. No wonder.
“liars lie to avoid what the truth will surely bring”
JusticeforNatalee
could you email me thru SM?
Both ABC and Greta thought Joran was innocent, when they interviewed him and stated that to me. Now they have come on board and that is why they are dancing.
What about the three bottles at Carlos and Charlies “For Women Only?” Wonder what was in it? GHB?
It is my belief that Daddy was the name Joran was giving. It is my belief that the three boys are guilty with Paulus.
Boycott Aruba!
From Greta:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html
DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team. I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I’m confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?
DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn’t broadcast is more of the same, you could say.
VAN SUSTEREN: And boy talk, as you described it, or guy talk or something.
DE VRIES: And boy talk, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?
DE VRIES: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.b]
So it was Richardson that said “pinch me”. If Mos was so friggin happy why is he calling out Patrick now? This smells so foul I am beside myself.
The talking heads at ABC ought to have the guts that Bill O’Reilly had when he said recently that no American should travel to Aruba until Joran is brought to trial.
I want to add to the comments about the effects of GHB:
This is an absolute true story. Back in my high school days, not too too long ago, I saw first hand what GHB did to a girl at a party. She had been drinking as well as taking GHB. Well, she overdosed and had to be rushed off to the hospital, but just as Natalee supposedly convulsed, so did she. But she was convulsing because of the fact that she was overdosing. I think she was pretty close to death at that point. It was very scary to witness but this girl did live. Had she not been rushed to the hospital, I’m not so sure what her outcome would’ve been.
I’ll go a step further and admit that I tried GHB on several occasions back in the day. It was all over the place and a lot of kids had it and were doing it. I think it affects men differently then women; that’s why men tend to like it more than women. It made me sick when I tried it, even in a small amount, it tasted like absolute crap, made me vomit; and on another occasion I blacked out COLD for hours and hours. Scary, scary stuff.
Hey, don’t judge me! I’m just sharing an honest experience, I wasn’t the only kid experimenting you know!! The boys would always say that taking one capful felt as if you just slammed 6 beers all at once, but for me and other girls – we didn’t like it because of how sick it made us and we realized it was dangerous and easily potentially fatal in too big a dose. (Don’t ask why I tried it on multiple occasions; stupid, I know, but stupid I was!) When you pass out cold you don’t know who will take advantage of you. Natalee was probably a lot smarter than me, I imagine she would’ve never taken this stuff on her own free will. But I can’t imagine how someone could disguise the terrible, terrible taste.
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SM: Virtually tasteless according to this site: http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/GHB
What are its long-term effects?
As the dose increases, the sedative effects may result in sleep and eventual coma or death.GHB has reportedly been used in cases of date rape. Because GHB is odorless and tasteless, it can be slipped into someone’s drink without detection
(klaasend)
posters……go to http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime and search forFeb. 23, 2006 “Van der Sloot: If Holloway is found, ‘I think I’d hate her’. just read what he said back in feb 2006 in a live interview. he talks about “I want to be trusted and you earn trust by telling the truth……”
also, he says in regards to the holloway family…”I mean, if the way they were putting pressure on us just made us, probably made us, want to LIE MORE because it seemed like we were in big trouble.” BIG TROUBLE, I’d say so joran.
Hi, Miss U.,
Please email me through the JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com address. Vicki checks messages all the time.
Vicki will forward your message to me, if you ask. Or, she will answer any questions you have.
Klaas has been great about forwarding messages, but sometimes my email gets lost or goes to another account.
Since time is of the essence on these protests, etc. it would be better to contact me or Vicki through that account initially.
(Besides, Klaas is really busy right now.)
Joran and his dirty old dad will forever be GUILTY… no one should ever go to ARUBA… It is corrupted with the Mafai from what I read. Look at the person who ran the incinerator who was murdered… also the teller at the bank where Paulas got money.. murdered… Some higher up is running this show – the best thing that can happen to Joran is the same thing that happened to Natalee. One can only hope some outsider will take care of it.
It would be interesting to compare the cell phone usage between Joran, Paulos, the Kalpoe bros. and others during that time between 12:00 p.m. to let’s say, 1:30 a.m. I have always thought that Paulos flew home a day early to partake in the “game” that Joran claimed to have played 20 times before. I mean come on, Joran was 17 years old at the time. His father must have initiated Joran and his friends into this game that he himself had already been involved in. Joran was the bait for the young girls. Paulos even made sure of that at the casino while leaning towards Natalee which would have made Joran appear more attractive to her than Paulos (the old fart).
Hey!!!
Someone should change
this sentence before
I bend a nail in half
with my ass.
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“Holloway went into convulsions during an ‘AMOROUS’ encounter on an Aruban beach the
night she disappeared.”
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***** There wasn’t anything even CLOSE TO THE WORD
‘AMOROUS’ that happened to Natalee Ann that night!
Unless the meaning of ‘AMOROUS’ is BEING BRUTALLY ATTACKED AND RAPED BY THREE OR FOUR PIECES OF HUMAN GARBAGE, AND THEN TOSSED AWAY AT SEA.
Slice me off a big f’n break, please! AMOROUS my big friggin’ toe! Dammit that makes me angry.
http://tinyurl.com/2vr7rt
Twenty-five years ago I was told by friends in Aruba not to drink my drink if I had left it unattended while I danced or went to the ladies room. So this is not new – though perhaps a different drug.
#9 cbtampa
LOL! That is exactly the way it’s been goin’ with
those idiots, huh?
Good post!
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Hey Hans Mos, I’d like to send you a shout out.
> Solve Natalee’s case!
Everything you need is right there on ONE DIRTY
LITTLE ISLAND… all except Joran-stein Franken-sloot.
I hope you’re cleaning out your garage this weekend,
and ya fall on the business end of a Garden Weasel.
Here’s mud in your eye, jackass. -j4n
Great work Viki and Justice-We need more like you.
In response to SM, #15, well maybe a shot of Bacardi 151 would disguise the taste! Like fire down your throat…
But I know from personal experience what GHB tastes like straight, it’s a taste I won’t forget…but it could be easily covered up with alcohol, I’m sure – especially something “75 proof”.
But nevermind this small issue, the fact is that GHB was prevalent in Aruba at the time and a prime date-rape drug, and a dangerous, dangerous one at that. It’s very logical to think this could have been used on Nat, more so than other drugs such as ecstacy. And the scary part of GHB is that no one knows what amount is too much for the person – the difference between a blackout and an overdose could be a tablespoon or even less, I’m sure.
Joran, you can escape the laws of Aruba, but the laws of the universe no one can escape my friend. No one gets a free ride! Have fun at the discotheque, dickweed!
Once many ,many years ago I was on a date and felt very drunk after just one drink. I remember being unable to walk well and willing to have sex with this date which was WAY out of character for me. I was never passed out so I thought I just got drunk and made a rotten decision, but now I suspect something was put in my drink. I remember feeling WAY drunk half way through that drink. If that happened to Joran’s
20 or so girls before Natalie they may not feel like they were raped because the drug can make you not resist and feel you chose it. We need for any girls who who have been with Joran to come forward to see if their stories help .
They may not know you do not always pass out.
Justice 4 Natalee
http://tinyurl.com/2tvazy
Ok while we’re confessing. I had an experience once with someone I had just gone on two previous dates with. I had one or maybe two drinks with him. We went back to his place, I remember feeling very, very drunk and trying to clear my head. After a barely rememberable intimate encounter we went to sleep. I woke up feeling sicker than I ever felt in my life. It’s pretty embarrassing and I’ll have to omit some of it. But I know on my way to the bathroom, I passed out on his floor something that never happened to me before. tt was like the worst stomach virus ever, (if you know what I mean). He never even woke up. In the long run he turned out to be a real weirdo and I still believe he drugged my drink. You can’t trust anyone.
Well, here’s Poochy’s theory:
I think the filming was taken in the back seat of Deepak’s car myself. Automotive Enterprises had something to do with either getting him that car (like how Devries got it set up for Patrick) or in just hooking up all the cameras needed to make the backseatbanger movies that Mr. Pink so loved to watch and sell. One of the PV’s said the floorboard of Deepak’s car was so taped down – Deepak said it was due to the audio wires. I’d say the car was smuggled in with tons of drugs glued to the floorboard, and that is how Deepak inherited his ‘tricked out pimpwagon’. All my opinion of course.
My young teen boy likes to make home movies with his friends (clean movies – the stupid ones like imitating ‘jackass’ stunts, etc and skateboarding, etc. ) and upload them onto youtube. Older teen (17) Joran and his pimp friends no doubt would like to make movies in the car — in a ‘tricked out car”’ as they saw them so many times on backseatbanger. They wanna be movie stars too!
Deepak had a ‘tricked out car’. No doubt that it also microphones and Joran was the actor (who liked to make movies?). That would answer how they knew the color of Natalees panties that night. He could fit back there because Satish moves the seat up close.
Joran said to Kalpoe’s ‘she’s had enough’ when he said they were watching porn in the car. No doubt he was filming himself raping her and they were all watching it live until she started going into convulsions, shaking as he told Patrick, ‘LIKE IN A MOVIE’. She’s had ENOUGH alright.
Nah, IMHO her rape happened in the back seat of Deepak’s car. A simple ride around town, circling the block a few times waiting for the cop to go while the drug they gave her took effect. Out to make a movie on a dull Sunday night, then dump her off at a drug house knowing she would leave the next day and be too embarassed to say anything about it. But something bad did happened to her to make the Kalpoes go and clean the inside of their car (chocolate? c’mon folks!)
And that’s why Deepak and Satish cannot say anything now against Joran. Because the ‘rape’ thing is not yet out in the public – only Beth is accusing them of it. If Joran blabs and says he raped her, only at that time can the K2bros point fingers at Joran, and vice versa, and then maybe the whole truth will come out.
After she ‘passed out’, or was ‘going in and out of consciousness’, they stopped off at Paulus’ home – Joran ran in (just in case the neighbor saw or heard Deepak’s LOUD car in front of the house.) Joran said it was just to pick up a condom. I say it was to ask help from his father. As Deepak said to Joran ‘YOUR OWN FATHER’.
Kalpoes were told to go home — get on the computer to create alibis, so they did. But because their car was used for this rape, they are as much to blame because they didn’t stop it from happening. Why hasn’t Deepak made a book, come forward to say he is innocent? Hm…I don’t see him having a public appearance, do you?
I think Joran brought Natalee inside Paulus’ home, and put her in the bathtub to run cold water on her to wake her up. Joran’s little brother (it was rumored) said on a blog that there was a ‘girl in his bathtub’. Just my speculation on why they stopped the main sloot home search.
So where did Natalee go? Did she revive and then they had to do something with her for fear of her talking? Perhaps. Dump her off at a crack house? Perhaps. Out to sea? Perhaps. But they (Paulus and his pal Jan Van der Stratten and Judge Smid) did something or called someone and that is why Joran has no clue where Natalee is.
They knew they would find evidence of her being in the sloot main home, perhaps in the shower drain, if they were allowed to search the main home. Natalee was never in Joran’s apt. Ever. It happend in the back seat of the backseatbanger wannabe car.
What they did with Natalee will forever remain a mystery unless Paulus and his friends come forth with the truth. It is so obvious – Paulus even said “I have to PROTECT my son”. From who? The pron movie industry???
girl #27 ~ wow……(sigh)… if you had those symptoms ~ I’d only hoped you got your A$$ to a hospital and gotten blood tested to see if in fact it was what you thought happened! & pray you protected yourself!~!…(otherwise, get tested for STD’s too)… BE CAREFUL dahlin’… and you may consider reporting this creep to officials… so thankful you’re okay… I’ve had friends who were date raped and it’s totally messed them up! Love, BE careful~ Thank God you’re okay…
For ABC… bout time! It sickens me, that JVD too advantage of Natalee and has not been brought up on Rape charges…Not to mention Murder? No body no evidence… shame on them~! WHAT is wrong with Aruba?
For Patrick, if he’s getting $ for a book, he aught to give all the $$$ to Equisearch to help find the Natalee’s of this world… truly, I think what he did was a good thing, but don’t feel he should benefit financially from his heroics ~ give the MONEY to Equisearch, or to Natalee’s foundation to inform girls/women about Date Rape, abuse, etc….
Richard… when/where are you going to be in Boston? Let us all know ~ we may join in!
here is the situation the DELICIOUS SPORTER found himself in.
this is a simple case.
3 REASONS TO HAVE TO HIDE A BODY.
1. raped
2. bruised, beaten up
3. drugged
or a combination of all three
joran was with Natalee and she went into distress
now, a reasonable person would call 911 or get help from a nearby hotel or HOLY COW i thought joran said there were people all around him when he was interviewed by GRETADELICIOUS LOVER
heck, he could have asked for help from all the people he was having to walk over when he was on the beach with Natalee
Psttttttttttt joran was never on the beach
look again !
paulus is the ONE – go sling him up
joran is going to get just what is coming to him
he better hide, he better never step foot in the USA again. nawwwww Aruba can have him
put him in a cage and make him a circus attraction. “HOW ONE PUNK KILLED A WHOLE ISLAND
TOURISM WITH JUST 1000 LIES”
by joran vander scumsucker
the dutch have failed miserably and will be forever linked to ALE.. FOREVER
ALE sucks
DUTCH LE sucks
vanderloots sucks
who have i forgotten ?
oh yea GRETA SUCKS too
joran and paulus were the wolves.
ladies and gentlemen i give you
WOLF HUNTERS
i convict wolves that are bad
bye bye paulus/daury
ARUBA…..”THE LAND OF LIARS”
Daury has rabies
which means Paulus has rabies
which means anita has rabies
which means joran has rabies
which means guido has rabies
aruba has rabies and it has been spread to mos
Daury can not be cured
nor can joran
time to introduce the whole lot of them to water boarding…any body with me…..
#28. Poochie,
Wow, I think you hit it on the head. Kind of explains why the Alpo Bros. would bother driving Joran to a bar just to sit around and drop him off somewhere, and why Deepwak seems so angry and defensive all the time. He must have some technical knowledge working at the computer place. I always wondered who told ALE about the porn movie being put on in the car, and why? Was Joran overcompensating with his admissions. For that matter is he still. Trying to cover his arse at all ends and Papa’s. Yea, if they were on the beach why didn’t anyone ever report seeing them, it’s bull.
#29. Kitty,
Thanks for your concern it was a long time ago and yes I have been tested, all is well thank you.
Number 35… maryd ..
I, Kat,Award you with the Laff out Loud award of the day !
ALPO BROTHERS !
..
Woof Woof from Canada !
#20, carpe, where are you seeing this referred to as an amorous night out?
dennisintn
paulus is poison
#8 They should interview that manager at the Holiday Inn who said that Joran tends to pry on American tourists again and ask her why she said that …
What did she see and how many times has she witnessed Joran prying on the tourists.
I bet the ALE never interviewed her.
do we know everything that Beth knows today? i know at one point, she was saving stuff because she was ‘protecting the investigation’, I’d love for Beth and Dave to do a sitdown video with SM to discuss everything they know. what they heard, what they saw, everything they know and suspect. it may help the SM’s connect some dots, it may helps some locals corroborate. there is no use in saving anything now.
let’s get it all on the table.
Well, here’s Poochy’s theory:
I think the filming was taken in the back seat of Deepak’s car myself.
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The only way I could see them filming in
the Dirt-pock’s back seat, is if
they were two midgets and a leprechaun.
Themz Honda back seats leave a lot to be
desired space wise!
This is such a disturbing story… Why is it that nothing can be done?
@35 – why would Alpos take a shower to just show up at a club that was known on the island to be ‘dead’ for 30 minutes?
Deepak ran into someone inside C&C so says his PV. Then he hung out with this ‘someone’ and then left C&C and went to his car. Called Satish on the phone looking for where everybody was, as he was waiting out back by his car knowing C&C was closing. Depending on which PV you read, you read 60 or so folks were ‘arriving’ at C&C during closing time as the SBMusic FEstival was ending, then you can read 60 or so folks were exiting C&C as it was closing time… so which is correct? I say it doesn’t matter. Natalee was given a drug either at C&C AND/OR at Choose-A-Name bar (hey, did ya know that Choose-A-Name bar burned down on Aruba about 3 times prior to it’s last “char-fest”? Yep – burned down, rebuilt in another spot on Aruba…things that make ya wonder, eh?
And…why the interrogation of Guido Wever, and the other boys that literally ‘fled’ Aruba for the Netherlands….??? We can correlate them to the codetalker verse “…the party goers have to be pinched’…”the gamblers still know the girl…” So was there an actual party? Was this party taken place in cars out by the lighthouse perhaps? So, gay, lisping Guido Wever leaves the island for Netherlands (and mummy tells us to back off!! hahah)BINK – there’s one down, several to go.
And Geoff also ‘flees’ Aruba – but why? His daddy has a nice security firm biz there…BINK another one down…a few more to go now.
And the entire Gottenbos family leaves Aruba for USA Mississippi. BINK, BINK AND BINK…Koen and Sander are best buddies w/Joran. Gottenbos’ sell the entire family business, their home and literally ‘flee’ to the USA (perhaps political amnesty?)
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Back to Joran’s comments to Patrick –
he says Natalee shook, and then he wasn’t sure if she was dead or alive, so he moved her into the ‘mangroves’, or plant area. I don’t believe this. He was nowhere near this area.
Codetalkers said “it was a simple party at his house and he was there the whole time”.
What I do believe is that she was temporarily burried in the sand by the fishermans huts. Awaiting a boat ride to rid her permanently. The shallow grave the dogs found. Then moved. Moved to where, and in what condition? I do not know.
Never forget the Aruba gravesite travesty – where most of the Wever graves were violently disturbed. Was this a sign from druglords to solve the case already? Or a sign to someone?
Poochy (#43) … Natalee never went into that second bar. They just stopped the car; Deepak ran in, and immediately came out. I always thought that he was ‘giving the signal’ to someone else, or perhaps to members of the Pimps.
It would seem logical for the drugging to be done at Carlos ‘n’ Charlies. But in any case, there were three guys in the car vs. one small girl … what chance would she have had if she were ‘merely’ suffering from too much alcohol?
Kitty (#29) … The Boston protest is this coming weekend, Feb. 22, 23, and 24, at the Seaport World Trade Center complex at 200 Seaport Blvd. the same site as last year. Contact JusticeforNatalee@Gmail.com for more info.
To Bobbie and all the other ladies here who took GHB, or who suspect that they did … it’s not for me to say, of course, but may I suggest that you consider telling your stories at a Rape Center or some similar group in your neighborhood?
You could vividly let kids know that this stuff DOES happen, not just to ‘anonymous’ people … that it IS a risk, possibly a fatal one … and that it is a CRIME. There’s nothing funny at all about it, and it seems to be on the rise.
My guess is that young people aren’t easily impressed with abstractions. But hearing from someone, in person, about their experience might change their views.
And, of course, teen girls usually have more on the ball than their male counterparts of the same age, and are more mature. (I think we can all agree on that!) So they, being the key targets, are more likely to appreciate the risks they run.
Thanks for allowing me to editorialize.
According to a blurb I saw tonight on a friend’s TV, the Dateline program to air this coming Friday will feature an interview with one of the MB kids, a girl who (according to the blurb) has not yet spoken in public. She was with Natalee on her “last night,” it said.
No name was given.
@ #39 – In that same interview, the attorney Mark Garagos (sp?) asked that very question: Was the manager of the Holiday Inn questioned?
Beth answered no.
Whether or not Beth’s response was accurate or at what point the manager was questioned (if she ever was) is unclear to me.
After reading a compilation of statements made by the Mountain Brook students that went to Aruba with Natalee, it seems that most if not all the students believed Joran was also a tourist on vacation. I thought that was pretty interesting.
To me it could suggest a deliberate intent to portray himself as someone other then who he was (typical sociopath!). As if pretending to be a tourist rather then a native was more ideal for his con game.
By the way, in re the Boston protest … last year, anyway, we were told that Friday is usually the day when the exhibitors set up. There is little or no public access or attention.
Accordingly, there’s no need for protesters to be there on that day. I may be wrong on this; if so, someone please correct me.
If it is a well known fact about women and girls being slipped date rape drugs into their drinks…and it sounds as if it is a common practice then why the hell don’t we know these things why do people not open up their mouths and let it be known that this crap goes on there maybe we could have protected other women maybe Brookside wouldn’t have scheduled a vacation there if more people spoke up…this is appaling to me that for 25 years someone on this board indicated this has gone on and it took Natalees death to make a little more public this needs to be shouted out to everyone…danger Aruba has a gang of rapist that use drugs to knock out their victims….!!!!!!
MOS IS A HACK
poochie, do you live on aruba…..i stil want to know if is possible for natalee to be buried under the steps of the light house…maybe at least for a while….thanks, always1
Hope this doesn’t sound too silly but I always found Joran’s comment that Natalee wanted to see
“sharks” very odd. Why would he say that? Could he have been referring to “card sharks?” I think so much of his stories have to be decoded and there are partial truths mixed in with the convoluted lies.
Hey Holland,
what about:
Murder?
Tax evasion?
Corrupt police?
Drug trafficking?
Corrupt politicians?
Human slave trade?
Corrupt judicial system?
Violation of women’s rights?
Corrupt government officials?
The Hague can prosecute Nazis, but not Sloot?
Boycott One NIghtmare Eiland
Boycott the Fascist Netherlands
The whole world is watching!
hey dennis,
right here-
http://tinyurl.com/2zj6qk
Just a thought… what happened to Ruth Dijkhoff? how did she die? Anything new on this case?
Where has 1906 been lately ??
Everyone read Richard and JusticeForNatalee posts for more information on upcoming protests.
Since most of us lead hectic lives and attendance is not an option, we urge anyone who is able to please help when and where they can…Get the word out, buy a sweatshirt or a T-Shirt….distribute flyers, spread the word. Any donations made are tax deductable and will help either Texas Equisearch/The Persistence or Justice For Natalee committee. Vicki is excellent at responding to emails and calls…so, everyone—time is of the essence…Please get involved to whatever degree you can… if you can. Strength is in numbers….. Thank you very much =)
********~~ JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ~~********
Re: ABC jumping on the Date Rape Drug and J4N Bandwagon…….. Pfffffffffff…..ratings draw….plain and simple.
News Flash ABC !!! It took a panel of medical experts (after Joran’s taped admissions) for you to put 2 + 2 together? One did not need a doctorate’s degree to figure this out a long time ago. How about some more airtime on the story in which the Holloways do not have to repeatedly appear for interviews and time and time again go over the same painful story? It is time for action now ……. Get Barbara WaWa to interview the VDS Family or Gottenboes or something and maybe I will tune in again…..lol What a joke, just like today’s new “revelation” was…. Hey, the day wasn’t totally hum-drum in the news—at least Castro finally announced his resignation.
maryd
I agree I think there are clues in the things he says. He really is mental!! If she is in the ocean he may kid himself into thinking “well
I told them she wanted to see the sharks”
It is all game to him that he thinks he cannot lose.
20/20 or 60 minutes PLEASE do a special report
to expose Date rape drugs. You can really save lives by making this more common knowledge.
I liked whoever said ALE stood for
Always
Losing
Evidence
Good One!!!
My “gut” still says the plan was to drug and
rape or gang rape and she had seizures and
then he called dad . Just like he said.
K said “something bad happened” I think that meant she was reacting to the drugs in the car or at the house. If daddy was searching drugs and alcohol and the ACE were asking about
seizures maybe they still had a body the next day
and were trying to come up with a cause of death. When that fell through daddy dumped her at sea. Joran and the K2 sound like they do not know where her body is when they were taped in the car. It makes sense that daddy would not have told them anything “just say what I tell you to ” Joran kept telling the K2 in the car tape that his dad was trying to help them.
Maybe when D went into the bar they stopped at
(I think I read that) he got a drugged drink
which made him very quilty. The K2 had to play some role or they would have told on Joran.
A YOUNG GIRL DRUGGED, RAPED, MURDERED, AND THROWN INTO THE SEA AT NIGHT — AND THEN LOCALS DO THEIR BIT TO ‘HELP PROTECT TOURISM.’
BTW, WHY DID NO ONE EVER CALL FOR AN AMBULANCE, YOU S-E-L-F–C-O-N-F-E-S-S-E-D FREAK OF A SOCIOPATH URINE VAN DER SCUM?
DIE, ARUBA, DIE.
IF YOU DEPEND ON US FOR YOUR LIVING, YOU BETTER LEARN HOW TO FISH, MAKE HUTS, AND BUILD COOKFIRES. THE GLORY DAYS, FUELED BY U.S. MONEY, ARE OVER.
WE AIN’T COMING BACK. ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS THE WORD ‘ARUBA’ AROUND HERE, AND PEOPLE START GOING OFF.
YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THE RIGHT THING ON “ONE CORRUPT ISLAND.”
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF TOURIST DOLLARS GONE = ENABLING, CODDLING, AND COVERING UP FOR A PREDATORY, VIOLENT ANIMAL.
THE NETHERLANDS SUCKS E-V-E-R-Y BIT AS BAD FOR DOING THE SAME THING, IMO.
I AM DELIGHTED TO WATCH YOU GO DOWN IN FLAMES.
AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT PAULASS WAS INVOLVED — RIGHT UP TO THE TIPPY-TOP OF HIS MASSIVE, BULGING FOREHEAD.
Daddy Sloot is the Mastermind ………Protecting his son………The officials helped Daddy because he was a wanna be judge. Yes the Drug lords have power over the sloot daddy and tried to help him, but they never expected Beth to persue this as she has done. The entire government on the island is involved, those that have the power indeed. The cartel owns the island and shame on you if you make waves. Beth made waves, and it became known rather quickly in the USA and has evolved to national news. Obviously the cartel is gonna down play this and look for a scape goat. Joran will fall, and when the dust clears, Paulus Vandersloot will be holding the bag, so to speak. Paulus does know what happened and Im inclined to think he never told his son all the details of what he had done to cover his ( Joran’s ) ass. Think about it, Paulus is a Lawyer, he knows the ins and outs of the system, he knows what to say and what not to say, and how to divert thoughts to other places. We , here in the USA cannot convict anyone on reasonable doubt, and thats what Paulus is and is doing for his sporter, creating reasonable doubt. I think Joran did go home at his daddys request, ” AKA Daury ” and then daddy handled the disposal of Natalee’s body. The Kalpoes ” AKA ” Dog food, are just as guilty as if they were there, it is definately a he said , she said kind of thing, they all know something and are not telling the truth, which makes them all liars and are guilty by covering each other, to me thats harboring a fugitive in a way. I hope you catch my drift.
Daddy sloot is the one who needs brought in and interogated intensly. This worm of a man knows exactly what happened and can end this nightmare, But, if we keep the heat turned up, Im sure the higher ups will take care of their own trash…..
To Richard,
I think you made the comment that a MB friend of Natalle’s was gonna be on friday night, on date line, she is to be one of the last to be with Natalle on the night of her disappearance.
Correct me if Im wrong.
I think this is wonderful news, but I have to ask, why now? Why did she or anyone wait till now to come forward and say anything? I hope this is to clear that night up on Natalee’s coherance and nothing more, and Im hoping its not for another book to be released. It seems to me that everyone wants to cash in on the Disappearance of Natalee. Im sorry if I sound, negative, but this has gone on a long time now and its to me as tho it was yesterday, a mother just wanted answers to her questions, what happened to her daughter and where is she. In my opinion , no books should be written other than Beths and published till this whole damn thing comes to an end with the truth.
I honestly think we should hear more from Natalee’s friends from that night, and what went on. Only to reafirm she was not on drugs and was not drunk when she left the club. I firmly believe she was drugged and she was not drunk and thats my opinion, she knew she had to leave the next day.
It just pisses me off thinking about who is gonna crawl out from the wood work to capitilize on her death monetary wise.
Richard,
Im not hammering on you, so don’t get upset at me, It was just the thing you had mentioned about Natalee’s friend making an appearance. Im not saying this is why she is doing it, if she does, it just made me think of other people whom could and probably will. Like everyone else here, we just want answers and the truth. I like everyone else am only spectulating and what we believe had happened and where it has gone the last 3 years, almost 3 anyway. You were my sounding board so to speak tonight. I respect you and what your doing for Natalee and her family, trying to make things right.
why do nh say all negros in alabama are slaves ?
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SM: Who told us this JVDS.
We all know he lies … so what is to stop him from lying about this as well.
Cant have it both ways.
R
abc and us media ; how stupid can you be ?
to pay so much money to a moneywolff de vries
for nothing,he lied to you, saying he will come with the truth …he came with a criminal to drug an innocent boy- cause under dutch law,
YOUR INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY..
well no one, but no one , has ever in three years
proven ANYTHING. Not even nh death, so she is still just a missing person…
to me this is a case of suicide; why?
if you intoxicate your body from 10.30 am in boattrip, hotel, concert,final carlos and charly
till after midnight, this is suicide, cause no one opened nh mouth and throw alcohol in.
would you go to any strange country enter a car with 3 strangers, this is suicide.
So why was beth and stepfather never investigated
by fbi or even better the dutch police to find out the reason why nh did not want to go home ever…..?
__________
SM: Thats becuase you are an idiot.
If it were a suicide they would have found he body on a beach chair you idiot.
R
DUTCH MONSTER URINE VAN DER SCUM
C-O-N-F-E-S-S-E-D O-N T-A-P-E, AND YOUR CORRUPT DUTCH JUDGES LET HIM GO.
THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES IN MURDER INVESTIGATIONS — AND THE CORRUPT, STUPID ARUBANS WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE THERE IS COINCIDENCE … AFTER COINCIDENCE … AFTER COINCIDENCE … AFTER COINCIDENCE … AFTER COINCIDENCE … AFTER COINCIDENCE … AFTER COINCIDENCE … AFTER COINCIDENCE … AFTER COINCIDENCE …
GROW UP AND STOP YOUR WHINING. YOU MADE YOUR BED, NOW LIE IN IT.
WE’RE NOT COMING BACK.
HAPPY FISHING.
AND THE NETHERLANDS SUCK, TOO.
prime minister balkenende of holland declared;he will stop the us circus media.
cause; UNDER DUTCH LAW; YOUR INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY.
usa law; your guilty untill proven innocent.
Whats so difficult to understand?
I am not defending anyone, we have to respect the law.
oj simpson, micheal jackson,and thousands more, are free people in the usa, you know why , cause they are famous.
if this is the us law system, then jvs is now also a famous person, thanks to ABC.
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SM: They are guilty in the eyes of the world … so is Joran.
He can go no where without wondering who he talks to will turn his comments over to authorities
Dutchboy,
Tell your buddy Urine to keep hiding..I hear
there is a price on his head.
DUTCH BOY…you are an idiot…URINE DOES DRUGS….noone sucks weed like that who had never smoked before…and for once in his freakin life he was telling the truth about Nataleeshaking….look at the tape again…thats the only part thats the truth. HE IS SATANS SPAWN…he is a MONSTER…and Natalee was an angel….Please go to BOSTON OR NY…
I think daddy was really protecting his own image
and further ruined Joran’s life in doing so.
If Joran had been told by a loving father to
have responsibility for his mistake that night
and accept the consequences he might have
some chance of a normal life after jail. Now
Joran will never have a nornal life thanks to dad’s advice to lie,lie,lie.
What kind of dad worries more about his own
image than what is best for his 17 year old.
Anita..don’t think for one minute daddy is
protecting Joran..he is protecting his own
image.
>>>We , here in the USA cannot convict anyone on reasonable doubt, and thats what Paulus is and is doing for his sporter, creating reasonable doubt.>>>
Reasonable doubt? Where is the reasonable doubt in this case? Put the facts together that we know and there is no reasonable doubt.
Joran was the last person with Natalee. Joran had a habit of drugging girls’ drinks. Joran confessed early into the “investigation” and then again over 2.5 years later.
Joran can’t explain the events of the evening when he lies.
“No Body, no case”
“your own father”
“you will get 15 years if they find the girl”
“if they find the body with my sperm on it….”
“I got lucky”
Dutchboy
Talking to you is like beating ones head against a wall. How honorable “Innocent until proven guilty.” And therein lies the problem; it is impossible to prove someone guilty when all the powers that be are thwarting that effort, get it?? If conviction relies on Judges who are “buddies” with the main suspects than “judge in training father” a major conflict of interest exists. But of course you will not see what you don’t want to see, now will you??
Dutchboy:
What does innocent or guilty have to do with anything?
ABC is stupid? Your boy is the one who’s stupid.
Your boy is a suspect without a credible alibi. He’s wearing a target and he’s too stupid to get himself out of the line of fire.
Your boy could have established an alibi in the DeVries taping as easily as he implicated himself, but he’s too stupid to know that he needs an alibi.
Want another stupid move by your boy?
DeVries is famous in Germany for unraveling cover ups because of his work in the Princess Mabel scandal.
The German media hadn’t written much about the Holloway case. They sure picked up on it now. The interest stemmed from the 80% viewership during DeVries taping, but the Holloway story had to be told to explain the import of the ‘confession’.
In the court of public opinion your boy, a suspect without a credible alibi, and being Devries’s target, is automatically ‘guilty’.
As I said, another stupid move by your boy.
See a trend developing here?
That said, if you want to defend stupid on public boards, be my guest. It makes the DeVries side look more credible.
Re ABC. The Money they gave DeVries will go right back into more investigations. I don’t think DeVries is finished with your boy yet, so thanks ABC.
69- Just as I said it outloud, I looked
down… we said the same thing, Red.
(you’re an idiot comment)
Yes, dutchboy you solved it! Now if we can
just figure out how she managed to keep burying
herself all over the island…
EUREKA, dude!!!!
Please kindly return back from whence you came.
Thank you
very little.
-j4n
71. Dutchboy.
Yes, they (OJ, MJ,and a FEW more) were found not guilty AFTER a TRIAL.
Why won’t your system put him on trial?
The world knows there will not be a trial for Joranm as it will surely show how the corruption of the Aruban and Dutch system, hijacked justice for Natalee Holloway.
DUTCH BOY: shouldn’t you be on a paint can with your little capri pants on painting a windmill ?
Carpe
The next thing Aruba and the Joran defenders will say is that Natalee spontaneous combusted on the island. Like pretty much what ARLENE said.
“SHE JUST, KINDA LIKE VANISHED”
dutchboy-paint-sniffing-paint?
Recall that before the Jello Shot Natalee had asked a friend if she wanted to go with her and some guys she’d met. This was in that friend’s statement and I think the friend that was asked was Ali Anderson – but don’t hold me on that one.
This tells me Natalee was interested in leaving the bar with Joran to go somewhere else to have more fun after CC’s closed BUT most likely not alone with him! Probably when she couldn’t get a friend to go with her she may not have wanted to go either and THAT’S when Joran’s plans changed.
I believe Joran thought he had a couple girls lined up in his mind, Ruth and Madison, and he was not aware they had boyfriends with them on the trip. When he found this out, Natalee was suggested to him by one of her friends who, in her defense, I’m sure thought Joran was a nice boy.
I also think Natalee did not leave the bar with Joran at all. I believe she was looking for Lee as Lee was looking for her and somewhere in that Joran and the Kalpoe Taxi showed up and Natalee was a bit releived to see a familiar face. And this is why Joran says he GOT LUCKY. It was over for him until happenstance found Natalee walking alone looking for Lee.
I think this is why Natalee was not showing fear when she hollered out the window and when she told her friends she didn’t need to get out of the car. It’s obvious Natalee felt safe that this point in time and it’s apparent she was not drugged at this time either.
I also believe Natalee felt safe because that was Paulus talking to her at the casino and she knew Joran was his son (at one point while talking with him she points toward Joran as if to verify the connection). And Paulus may have told her he was a judge, but none of her friends need necessarily know if he did since it probably didn’t mean anything to Natalee at the time so she didn’t share it.
If Paulus did mention a connection with Joran, then it would seem Paulus was trying to hook them up together…or hook up Joran with one of Natalee’s friends via Natalee. If so, was it innocent so Joran might have a nice American girl to know once he go to University in Florida? Or was it for something sinister? I’m voting for Sinister because I think Paulus likes watching the tapes the Pimps make of young girls…such as the ones we know Freddie makes.
As for the seizures….I’m still on the Tazar bandwagon. The cops would need to know if Natalee was prone to seizures because they believe a Tazar won’t cause seizures unless a person is already predisposed to them. They simply did not want to think one of their own (maybe VD Straaten) might become implicated in the events of the night.
OR….in the cop car transcripts a gun is mentioned by Joran as belonging to Satish. It is denied by 2K. Was this gun a tazar and did Joran have one? You can buy them online and Deepak was old enough to do so even if he purchased it for Joran. Was the ‘chit’ Deepak said they’d see a tazar mark?
Another theory on how Natalee died : http://www.ad.nl/holloway/article2023007.ece
regards, jasper
our pm is going to do media stuff?????
thats really going to help
btw. I don’t believe everything Joran claims in the tapes.
I do believe he was involved in the death, but it went down different.
The experts agree??
Here’s what the 3 experts in the article say:
- Paul Doering says ghb but his impression is entirely speculative
- Paul Kolecki says ghb/cocaine/ecstasy but his impression is entirely speculative
- Bruce Goldberger says alcohol poisoning but his impression is entirely speculative
Uh, Yeah…lotta agreement there.
To the friends of Joran and his allies: Post all you want, your lies and trying to blame the family of Natalee will not work. We will not stop digging until the truth is told by Joran, so I guess get used to us, we will go on and on and on. The coverup and lying only makes us work harder and longer. Just when you think it is over,,,boom there it is in the news again. It is not going to stop. How long can you hold it?
I think the Holloways have a good lawsuit against the Holiday Inn. According to the manager of the hotel, Joran was ALWAYS hanging around the hotel preying on the young tourist girls. The hotel has a responsibility to keep their guests safe.
The hotel provided services that were open to the public such as their casino and resturants but I find it hard to believe that their pools and other such amenities were also opened to the public. Joran swam in the hotel pools and hung around the grounds fraternizing with the guests. They allowed him to play in the casino despite being underage. Why was this allowed? He had no business there. I think the hotel should be held responsible for their part in all of this.
JASPER
ITS NOT IN ENGLISH.. SO WHAT DO U EXPECT US TO INFER
Yeah, but only Goldberger has time shares in Aruba. Although that probably doesn’t effect his neutrality?
Is it true the most he can face is 6 months in jail if he “only disposed ov her body”?
OJAY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FOUND GUILTY.. BUT ITS NOW BEGINING TO RAIN ON HIS PARADE!! HIS GIRLFRIENDS IN THE HOSPITAL HE BEAT HER SO BAD SHE MAY NEED BRAIN SURJERY.. HE SAID”I DIDNT DO IT SHE FELL AT THE GAS STATION”’ THOSE INJURIES ARE NOT CONSISTANT WITH A FALL BUT RATHER A BEATING.. HIS TRUE COLORS ARE BEING EXPOSED BY THOSE THAT BELIEVED IN HIM INCLUDING HIS GIRLFRIEND.. I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS… NOT TO GET OFF THE SUBJECT… BUT HE US FINALY BEING EXPOSED… HE MAY FINALY PAY FOR HIS .. TEMPER AND ARROGANCE.. IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION HE WAS GUILTY…
DUTCH BOY YOHOOO!!!!!!
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING FOOL!!!
YOUR LAWS SUCK!!
YOUR LACK OF RESPECT FOR WOMEN SUCK!!!!
IN A COURT OF LAW YOU SAY.. YOU FORGOT TO MENTION!!!
THAT IN A LAW OF CORRUPTION AND EVIL… HE IS INNOCENT….
BUT LIKE SOMEONE JUST SAID… HE IS A WALKING TARGET… WITH A BULLSEYE IN FRONT AND BACK…. WHOMEVER TAKES MATTERS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS… WILL BECOME OUR HERO.. IN AMERICA…
IN YOUR COUNTRY THERE IS NO HONESTY…
ONLY TWO PEOPLE SO FAR FROM THERE I RESPECT.. PETER AND PATRICK.. THOSE ARE HEROES
OH WAIT !!! AND THE HERO THAT GETS PAUULUS AND JORAN OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.,….HOW SWEET JUSTICE SMELLS ………
DUTCH BOY GET YOUR AZZZ OFF THIS SITE.. YOU ARE NOT WANTED… YOUR DISRESPECTFUL COMMENTS SUCK..
IF YOU CANT SAY NOTHING RIGHT THAN SHUT UP!!!
whats with you dutch!!!
YOU SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH KEEPING YOUR MOUTH SHUT…..
DYYHREA FLOWS FROM WITHIN….THATS THE PROBLEM WITH YOU PEOPLE THAT ARENT TAUGHT RESPECT MORALS AND VALUES… YOU JUST RUN AT THE MOUTH.. THAN YOU HAVE TO READ WHAT YOU SAY BECAUSE YOU DONT THINKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.
dutchboy on February 20th, 2008 6:34 am
abc and us media ; how stupid can you be ?
DUTCH BOY WHO HELPED YOU WRITE THIS.. JORAN??? u people are sickos… LIKE JORAN YOU CANT KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.. YOUR COUNTRY SUCKS… YOUR LAWS SUCK… DO US A FAVOR … STAY AWAY… WE ARE HERE FOR NATALIE…. AND HER FAMILY.. NOT TO HEAR YOUR PRE SCHOOL THEORIES
to pay so much money to a moneywolff de vries
for nothing,he lied to you, saying he will come with the truth …he came with a criminal to drug an innocent boy- cause under dutch law,
YOUR INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY..
well no one, but no one , has ever in three years
proven ANYTHING. Not even nh death, so she is still just a missing person…
#47 Lotta Linya… After reading a compilation of statements made by the Mountain Brook students that went to Aruba with Natalee, it seems that most if not all the students believed Joran was also a tourist on vacation. I thought that was pretty interesting.
To me it could suggest a deliberate intent to portray himself as someone other then who he was (typical sociopath!). As if pretending to be a tourist rather then a native was more ideal for his con game
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Yes, I believe Joran told them that he was 19 years old. Boy the rapist who makes sure he is “not known as an Aruban resident” …so that in case anyone should go to the police they would be looking at who is here on vacation.
Joran probably told everyone he raped that he was just there on holiday/vacation.
E! Channel
The Top 20 Unsolved Crimes
#1 Natalee Holloway
Way to go Aruba & the Netherlands.
Your two countries have reached an infamous level of corruption that has gained world wide attention.
No one will travel to your country without fear of, not only being drugged and raped, but having two whole systems of government cover up any involvement through corrupt officials.
Saoirse’s Top Twenty Corrupt Nations on Planet Earth
#1 the Netherlands(*One Fascist State)
#2 Aruba (*One Nightmare Eiland)
Investigative journalists – expose the crimes of the Nazi Queen Bea! Investigate how high the drug trafficking profits reach!
Boycott the Fascist Netherlands!
Boycott One Nightmare Eiland!
disgustedmom on February 20th, 2008 9:13 am
“I think this is why Natalee was not showing fear when she hollered out the window and when she told her friends she didn’t need to get out of the car. It’s obvious Natalee felt safe that this point in time and it’s apparent she was not drugged at this time either.”
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just curious about why you think it is apparent she wasn’t drugged before she got in the car.
I have heard from friends her behavior was strange and wouldn’t being drugged explain going willingly.
was watching news at the same time trying to read what you all write…they said two cannons washed up on a beach some where….antique cannons…i wonder what something like that would weigh…still dont believe n h is in the ocean…where could i read the part again about where they uncovered the belt…..
#82 disgustedmom…Your correct. MB student Nancy Watson made the statement that Ali Anderson told her that Natalee asked her if she wanted to go with a couple of boys.
She also said in the same statement that of all of her friends, Natalee was the least experienced with boys.
I personally believe that Natalee was drugged before leaving the bar but drugged or not, I think she got into the car with the understanding that they were driving her back to either her hotel or the second bar some of the other kids were going to.
Instead they kidnapped her then raped and murdered her.
#71 dutchboy……….is that you paulus?
Fingerprints should have been made on the belt that was found in the sand. I know Dompig said it was too old of a belt, of course he would say that.
i went back and read the whole interview of vds talking to greta and he said when he called for a ride on the beach that deepak did not come back with his brother to get him..he also said deepak did not talk to the girls at the bar….maybe deepak came back for natalee….maybe he was angry about what she said about slaves…and maybe he was not well liked by girls like joran….what do you all think….
#98
I don’t think being drugged with GHB would necessarily explain going willingly unless the person was in a subdued state. And a subdued state conflicts with the images I have of Natalee hollering joyfully out the car window “WooHoo Aruba” or whatever… and I would imagine if she had been speaking like a subdued person when her friends told her to get out of the car they’d have immediately done something about it when she didn’t.
But I’m not an expert on drugs by any means. So I might be, and probably am, wrong. I just think if Natalee had been drugged at CC’s she would have FELT something strange and NOT gone off with Joran.
You know they put GHB on chewing gum? soak it and let it dry then wrap it back up in the wrapper….then offer your date some gum to freshen breath and away you go.
GHB can also be hidden in chocolate….remember the chocolate in the Kalpoe car? And the cleaning fluid of which GHB is partially made? Did Natalee make a mess with her drugged candy?
No doubt Natalee was drugged at some point, but it could have been after she left CC’s.
and back to what i was saying about deepak…me, being a girl, natalee would feel safe with the three guys because in her mind, the others were just drivers……they were not players like joran….didnt look like joran or act like joran, she, in her mind, was on a date with joran and joran just happened to have guys drive hime around.she was impressed with him, she asked him if he had a big house…..
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SM: I doubt very much that Natalee was impressed with Joran OR that she asked him if he had a big house. I think that’s all BS from JK2. (klaasend)
I don’t think it matters whether Natalee liked Joran or not, you can like someone and be niave to the fact he would drug your drink. I think the main point is that she thought it was a safe situation and it turned out not to be, that can happen to anyone. And I just think that if Joran was so willing to confess to a guy he just befriended he most likely told many others and they are to scared to come forward. And who can blame them if ALE is threatening everyone who wants to expose the cover-up. There has to be some way to protect them and have them reveal the truth to an impartial entity.
always 1, do not believe anything that comes out of the VS mouths.
Lies, all lies. Natalee thought she was getting in an Aruban taxi with a fellow student visitor. Why would she ask to see his “big house” if she thought he was a tourist too?
disgustedmom #105…GHB can also be hidden in chocolate….remember the chocolate in the Kalpoe car? And the cleaning fluid of which GHB is partially made? Did Natalee make a mess with her drugged candy?
No doubt Natalee was drugged at some point, but it could have been after she left CC’s.
Excellent deduction…the candy as well as the drink!!!
Any person that can not see the true CHARACTER of ARUBA deserves whatever happens to them if they keep going to that immoral island. They will get
NO SYMPATHY from Me.
BOYCOTT ARUBA
#41 Carpe. You wanna blast me about the filming in back seat of Deep Cracks car and for years you’re trying to make us see Natalee in this pics find and blow up – c’mon dude be real.
They returned Freddy’s camera to him a few days later.
There was a pic taken from a car/truck back window into Deep Crack’s car when Natalee was supposedly in it, and the caption of the posted picture was ‘Bitch’. Either a girl took the pic and posted it, or our lisping Guido did the honors. Regardless, maybe there were TWO cars that night – Deep Cracks and another one that could easily have filmed the backseatbanger episode.
#45 Richard – Interesting….
discustedmom
“I don ’t think being drugged with GHB would necessarily explain going willingly unless the person was in a subdued state. And a subdued state conflicts with the images I have of Natalee hollering joyfully out the car window “WooHoo Aruba” or whatever… and I would imagine if she had been speaking like a subdued person when her friends told her to get out of the car they’d have immediately done something about it when she didn’t. But I’m not an expert on drugs by any means. So I might be, and probably am, wrong. I just think if Natalee had been drugged at CC’s she would have FELT something strange and NOT gone off with Joran.
You know they put GHB on chewing gum? soak it and let it dry then wrap it back up in the wrapper….then offer your date some gum to freshen breath and away you go.
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respectfully you are wrong that GHB would not explain her going willingly when she otherwise
might not of. It does affect you judgement. Also
people often do not know they were drugged.
Research on date Rape drugs….
The effects of GHB and Rohypnol follow a similar pattern. The effects of Rohypnol begin within a half-hour, but don’t peak for almost two hours. GHB takes effect within 10-20 minutes, but don’t peak for almost an hour. The feeling the user gets from both drugs are the same – first they feel an intoxication similar to alcohol (the user feels relaxed, sociable, affectionate and playful, and disinhibited), followed by a feeling of drowsiness. Higher doses can lead to a sleep from which the user cannot be woken. The effects can last from 4-24 hours.
Date Rape Drugs – Both GHB and Rohypnol have a reputation as date rape drugs, as they are being used to sexually assault women and men. How it happens – the drugs are easily slipped into someone’s drink (GHB is usually a liquid, and Rohypnol dissolves quickly), and the person becomes either very open to suggestion and physically weak, or passes out entirely, leaving them vulnerable to the person who spiked their drink
Poochy:
Try again.
Go to the blown up picture of the painter and look
behind him and to his left. There is a bush with
a body laid upon it.
The body has her left hand held high above her
head, looking like the Statute of Liberty.
She is wearing a loin cloth. Her body is visible
from head to toe.
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1066.0
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ARAWAK!
Don’t forget, too, that Joran could have hit her
in the head; causing convulsions. If you are hit
hard enough near a nerve center of your brain,
convulsions would be expected.
Is it possible that Natalee sustained a head
injury? One that Joran consistantly kept
hinting about in his statements?
To Lotte Lenya : about suiing The Holliday Inn
“They allowed him to play in the casino despite being underage. Why was this allowed? He had no business there. I think the hotel should be held responsible for their part in all of this.”
in the Natalee Holloway case there has been much confusion of the Dutch legal system (see Peter R. De Vries site for example). In America you can sue everything and everybody, in the Netherlands and Aruba this is not possible.
There is no way, legally, that they (Beth and Jug) can sue the Holliday Inn under Dutch law. Like people who say, bring Joran for a jury, we do not have juries in the Netherlands.
To ~angel~. Is it true if he gets 6 months if he only disposed her body ?
Yes, in the netherlands it is 6 months. Please be aware that this is the MAXIMUM sentence. Joran will most likely be proscecuted by juvenile law (which is common in the Netherlands, for boys aged 18).
So, If he gets sentenced for disposal of the body, then the time he allready was in jail will be substracted from the 6 months (which is absolute maximum). He will hardly see the insight of a jail, in case found guilty, and punished with the maximum sentence.
DO NOT BLAME ME. That is how our justice system works.
To miss Underestimated
71. Dutchboy.
Yes, they (OJ, MJ,and a FEW more) were found not guilty AFTER a TRIAL.
Why won’t your system put him on trial?
If you mean with Your System, the Dutch Criminal Court, then you can ask Peter R. De Vries, ask anybody with a bit of legal knowledge of the Dutch justice system. THERE IS NO VALID EVIDENCE THAT CAN BE USED IN COURT.
The “confession” that peter R. came up with, will not hold in court.Patrick lies to Joran, he gets it on type, with a hidden camera ? Forget it. if there is no prove supporting the “confession”, then the evidence can not be held in court.
being new at this, i am curious, why is it some things i say get deleted…..boring, redundant, what…..just curious…..
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SM: Because I’m not new at this and try to watch for posts that appear to be “trollish”. Some may get deleted in error and if yours were I do apologize. (klaasend)
thank you
In the U.S.A. YOUR GUILTY UNTILL PROVEN INNOCENT.
we respect this.
in Holland-Aruba; YOUR INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY. You should respect this.
Has anyone come up with any proof of nh s death ?
no? so still a missing person.
no system can judge anyone on, hearsay, rumors, i think, maybe, ..
work on proves and facts please…
WE ALL WANT JUSTICE…….
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SM: I would say All my friend. If that were the case this would have been investigated and prosecuted 2 years ago and JVDS would be in prison.
R
DE VRIES GOT HIS MILLIONS FROM ABC AND US CIRCUS MEDIA, A HAPPY MAN.
PATRICK IS CRYING IN ARUBA, THAT HE DID THE DIRTY JOB WORKED 7 MONTHS VERY HARD, GOT PAID 35.000 , LOST 45.000, NEARLY LOST WIFE, CANNOT ENTER THE US,A SAD MAN. NOW MAKING A BOOK ABOUT AN OLD STORY EVERYBODY KNOWS ALLREADY,WANTS TO MAKE MILLIONS TOO, BE FAMOUS, ENTER US , CLEAR HIS CRIMINAL RECORD, HE DIDNOT KNOW ,THAT A DRUGGED MANS COFESSION IS WORTHLESS.
PATRICK; WHEN YOU DO GOOD THINGS, GOOD THINGS WILL COME TO YOU,WHEN YOU DO BAD THINGS, BAD THINGS WILL COME TO YOU.
EVER HEARD OF THE UNIVERSAL LAW ?
PLS THE MARIJUANA COFFESHOPS IN HOLLAND NEED YOU.
TO THOSE THINKING COVERUP OR CORRUPTION; PROVE IT.
TO THOSE ASKING FOR BOYCOTT; ITS NOT WORKING.
AMERICANS ARE VERY INTELLIGENT, they are coming in by thousands everyday…
2000 europeans, Spain,Italy,Germany, Holland,ect daily…
Contruction of New big 5 stars hotels in pipeline…Aruba is going to import thousand of immigrants again, everybody has 1-2-3 jobs…
Aruba is still the Safest Place in the Caribbean,
Thank You.
let the FBI do their job in the US…
Dutch police in Holland….
Aruban police in Aruba..
International…Interpol…
call in cia and scotlandyard if needed…
Thank You,
Dutchboy: its media circus not circus media.
mr. Dolf
I call it a CIRCUS MEDIA, BECAUSE ITS A USA CIRCUS,ratings, famous, money, rumors, hearsay..
WITH A LOT OF CLOWNS.
NOTHING OF MEDIA, NEWS…..
the show is the same, now and then they change clowns..
to Kaye 101,
PLease, im not paulus,
they say he got a cell to j in prison, without any money on.
I am not like thaaat….
why is oj and micheal jackson and others free man in the USA….?
do know of any millionaire , famous artist or someone with power, in prison in the USA ?
money and power buys everything,,… yes.
dutch law system; proves, solid proves, is the most important, every thing is based on that, you say A ,prove it, You say B prove it..ect.
if no one comes with any proof of anything.
soon i think in a couple of weeks case will be closed …..
i was just watching a show where they talked about a drug called ‘devils breath’. it comes form columbia….they said you could blow the dust on someone and they would do anything you want but they would not remember and they would act normal…one man got robbed and he actually watched himself on camera, go into the bank and get the perps the money….scary huh?
I’m going to preface this with the fact that I went to Mountain Brook High School the same time Natalee was there. I do not claim to be in her close circle of friends, but I saw her everyday and I have very close friends who worked with her daily on our school’s dance team.
That said, I want to say that, growing up in Mountain Brook, things like this do not happen. EVER. We are a very small and close community cut off essentially from the rest of world. Our school system is relatively small, and people know each other on a more personal basis than most high schools. Our community is 98% Caucasian. I am not saying this to be racist or anything, but this is the truth. Our community is blessed financially and although we occasionally are given a bad rap about this, we are one of the most generous communities and we work hard to maintain our image. Things like the Natalee Holloway case never happen. Sure, we have the occasional scandal within our school, but eventually it gets taken care of fast and order is restored.
I have no doubt in my mind that the rumors of Natalee’s alleged use of cocaine on this trip is false. Of course all of the students on the trip drank, probably in very excessive amounts, but 1) it was legal in Aruba and 2) who didn’t drink in high school? I am tired of people coming out with negative impressions of her because of her drinking. This is simply not the grounds for judging her whole character or jumping to rash conclusions that because of this she probably did cocaine as well. Van der Sloot did something to her, as evidence has clearly pointed out, and it was his actions against her that caused this.
His stories have changed numerous times, jumping from the one where he just dropped her back at the hotel to the one where he walked with her on the beach to being on a boat. He is guilty, there is no question about it. The fact that he did not immediately speak up about this though shows that something is seriously lacking in the Aruban government. For the first few months, it felt like Beth and her husband were the only true detectives working to solve anything. Sure, the Aruban government claims they stepped in, but for being a ‘tourist’ friendly local, they sure did not do much to preserve their image.
I cannot blame Natalee at all for what happened to her. Yes, she should have obviously watched her drink more and stuck with her friends, but coming from a community like Mountain Brook, she never expected anything bad to ever happen to her. She suffered from a false sense of security that MB can give most people. I will not say this is a bad thing. Sometimes, people need that just to get by in today’s world of hate and crime. We just need to work on the idea that, although we can embrace this perfect community at home, the real world does not offer such high standards.
Also, I would like to point out that cases like this happen all of the time. Every year, every day. This just made such attention because this family is blessed with the means of funding such investigations to such an extent. And that is awesome, no lie. I wish however that the media would just stop sensationalizing this story and leave Beth and her family alone while they continue with this never ending search. It is appropriate when they speak out on the dangers of foreign travel, but otherwise, there is no need to make a drama out of their lives.
Van der Sloot should have been convicted much earlier. It makes sense for him to dispose of her body especially if GHB could be traced in her system later, but it does not make sense for this latest bit of information to surface so late in this case. Toughen up, Aruban police. And as for MB-keep her in your prayers. I would like to think our community has grown because of this even more, and our awareness when we travel to foreign places has greatly been heightened.