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Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
SCARED MONKEYS MEDIA ANNOUNCEMENT:
DANA PRETZER SHOW
Scared Monkeys is happy to announce two of tomorrow nights (Wednesday) special guests on the Dana Pretzer Show, Beth Holloway and Peter R. DeVries. Make sure and listen to this powerful one … two punch that Joran never saw coming.
Tune in tomorrow TONIGHT, Wednesday night at 9 PM EDT for the Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys radio when Dana will be interviewing special guests:
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Beth Holloway – The mother of missing Natalee Holloway. Beth has battled and persevered the many ups and downs of Natalee’s case and has remained steadfast in her fight for answer and Justice for Natalee. Beth has not only continued her fight for missing Natalee Holloway, but also has become the voice for other missing persons and has made an effort to make people aware of traveling abroad in speeches and The International Safe Travels Foundation.
I mean, it`s stunning that 48 hours into Natalee`s disappearance, I was asked by an Aruban detective if Natalee has a history of seizures or epilepsy. And when — and when I`m hearing Joran say that it looked like Natalee was having a seizure, and then he even — what makes me sick and I want to come through the screen and kill him, when he imitates her, he imitates her as she`s suffering. And that`s in a video clip with Patrick.
- Peter R. DeVries – The Dutch Crime Investigator (Bio) who captured Joran Van der Sloot’s admissions and confessions on secret video tape.
Peter R. DeVries did what the Aruban police could not. DeVries lulled Joran into a false sense of security and got Joran Van der Sloot to admit his involvement in Natalee’s death and disappearance. DeVries has been on Joran Van der Sloot’s tail for quite some time and it would appear that Peter R. DeVries has finally gotten his man.
Peter R. DeVries Dutch web site for out Dutch speaking friends.
From Peter R. DeVries interview with Beth Holloway during DeVries show after the secret videos were shown,
Peter R. DeVries: “He lied, everything was a lie.”
Beth Twitty: “What he did with the shoes and… Oh my gosh.”
Peter R. DeVries:“It’s a full confession.”
Beth Twitty: “He doesn’t even care, he doesn’t even care that, oh they didn’t even know if she was dead. Oh my gosh. They didn’t even know.”
Peter R. DeVries:“Did you notice how he talked about her?”
Beth Twitty: “Yeah, the don’t even know. Oh my god they could have dumped her alive in the ocean, just unconscious. I mean they don’t even know.”
Peter R. DeVries:“Maybe in coma, or…”
UPDATE 1: Also appearing tonight:
- Art Wood, former Secret Service agent discussing the Natalee Holloway case.
- Mike McIntyre - Mike, host of “Crime and Punishment”, will weigh in on the Natalee Holloway story.
Posted February 13, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Beth Holloway, Bloggers, Corruption, Crime, Deceased, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, Podcast, Scared Monkeys Radio | 150 comments |
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Joran VDS ~~~> You don’t hide a body unless you’re trying to cover up a criminal act, a purposeful killing…….
To be continued….Hold on Beth & Dave Holloway!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
have you noticed that idiot joe grosspino doesnt bring up his twisted tale of Natalee on a video tape in the casino. It never existed. Joe is a fat liar. make no mistakee PAULUS is DAURY
MOS SUCKS
KARIN SUCKS
they are all equally to blame for the cover up
paulus is the one.
Beth and Peter are a powerful team!
Paulus will never be incarcerated for his crimes in aiding and abetting his Son. If he goes down, they all go down. Not going to happen…..
Remember, in all probability–the ultimate demise of the little Sporter will be delivered in a different way….and not a moment too soon as far as I’m concerned. And the day that happens, we all go to bed and have no trouble sleeping either.
=D
I made this Natalee Freebird 1024 x 768 desktop computer wallpaper for my computers. It is yours
if ya want it. Just click the link & right click
and save it to your ‘puter. Then open it & right
click again and select SAVE AS BACKGROUND.
You might just be able to right click on it in IE
and select SET AS DESKTOP BACKGROUND.
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-Justice for Natalee!
May God bless and watch over Beth and Peter and all the rest of Natalee’s family and supporters.
Carpe:
The tribute to Natalee is beautiful. It made me cry. She did everything right. How could she have been done so wrong? My heart will never stop aching for the pain I know she endured from these monsters.
Mr. DeVries thank you so much for exposing Joran for what we all knew he was a murdering predator. The world will feel a little bit safer when he gets his due and is put behind bars never to hurt another beautiful soul.
Other heroes in my book are Red, Klass and Tom for their love and support for Natalee and her family each and every day. Added to this list is Carpe and the rest of the Monkeys that work so hard for justice for Natalee. Last but not least is the Persistence crew for their 18 hour days of searching for Natalee and all the hardships they endure without ever a word of complaint.
So many to admire and love here, especially the love of a mother, father, and family that have been through hell and back and continue to fight for finding their lovely daughter Natalee and the quest to bring her home.
I as many in the world will never forget Natalee Holloway and will not rest until the people responsible for murdering her are brought to justice.
Justice for Natalee, nothing else will do, and we wait.
Question;
How the hell can anyone interpret this conversation as Joran being the person knowing more than the Kalpoe brothers and not the other way round!?
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/policecartscript624.htm
It was 3 people that night, and two of them stick together. That way only the duo has strong possibities for blackmailing the third. And that’s also clearly readable. They even manage to laugh at Joran’s anger.
Joran clearly states he doesn’t know what happened and all that he can imagine people at some carshop know more.
Why the hell was this investigation ever pointed towards Joran!?
Anyone have the orginal Dutch transcipt of this, I read it someore else once and I think there’s some serious translationerrors too.
BTW, why was Paul’s PC hacked 30th late in evening?
Ow my god this case is sick!
THREE YEARS OF PROTECTING AND CODDLING SELF-CONFESSED SOCIOPATH ‘JORAN VAN DER SLEAZE’ = 10′s OF M-I-L-L-I-O-N-S OF U.S. TOURIST DOLLARS GONE FROM THE ARUBAN ECONOMY.
WE’RE DEALING WITH A BUNCH OF ROCKET SCIENTISTS HERE, FOLKS.
WHERE’S NATALEE, AZZHOLE JORAN?
AND WHY IS THE NETHERLANDS NOW HARBORING THIS FUGITIVE FROM JUSTICE?
NETHERLANDS, ARE YOU THERE?
It’s Wednesday a.m.- logging on to see if SM has a new scoop before today’s deadline for announcement of possible re-arrest ……#8…Scarlett…Awwww…your post was really so lovely, it almost brought tears to my eyes just reading. What a nice thing to read first thing in the a.m. God knows, we could all use more of nice things in this world and less of all the bad things we see and read or watch every day.
#8-Scarlett…Thank you for starting my day with a warm heart…couldn’t have said it any better myself. =)
* ~ * JUSTICE FOR NATALEE * ~ *
Aruba is Evil
hey everybody! it’s the karel & charlie show minus charlie !
Dana, great show line up for tonight can’t wait. I even bumped up an appointment so that I could be able listen live.
I met Beth at the book signing in Chicago and I had asked her if she thought anything would ever happen and she told me she thought that the 3 would get away with it and found not guilty and the case would be closed. Now with this new information provided by Peter DeVries, has this changed her mind?
I am so glad that Mr. DeVries had the guts to take this on.
Beth you are a truly brave and tenacious mother. God bless every one of you, we are behind you.
the old ugly geezers on aruba allowed the pimp club to video tape the rape of young women. it was encouraged. it was what the demtented people like daury AKA paulus and his gang of cronies wanted the pimp club to do.
the pimp club “did it over 20 times before and nothing bad ever happended” they drug em and pretend to help them to the car and then they take them off and rape them all while being videotaped. it is coming out soon enough into the press. aruba is finished ! done !
stick a pitchfork in them. joe tacopina will be known as defending a bunch of worthless murdering rapist pigs. joe is a loser. always has been and always will be. i mean come on look at the spin this guy does day in and day out.
he must be dizzy. this case is so simple and aruba thinks the rest of the world is as numb and the people that live on that island.
what a hellhole. word on the street is the tourism is tanking like never before seen. even the officials are saying it is tanking contrary to what you may hear from certain joran lover sites. let it sink to never arise again
good ridence
***OFFICIAL NEWS RELEASE***
*****PLEASE ISSUE IMMEDIATELY******
Aruba announces a hotel and flight discount.
fly anywhere in the usa to aruba for only $10.00
we will make up the money in volume and we will steal it from you when you are sleeping in your hotel.and when you are sleeping we might have to “just take you in a boat and slip you into the water at night to cover up the beating we gave you when we robbed you”
sincerely
“Aruba Tourism and Sham Society”
oh my !
another ***OFFICIAL NEWS RELEASE***
anita from the ditch is looking for a new bra as she will be the new spokesperson for aruba tourism.
GAAZGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG me please
I guess it’s the Netherlands legal duty to protect Joran because of all the threats….doesn’t mean the police like doing it though…
Wonder where Joran and the Kalpoes were when the police and Beth arrived at the Sloot house, they were all sweaty and dirty and lied about being at the casino. Paulus, of course knew where they were…probably at the beach on that little dirt road trying to cover up the tire tracks….
As I reread the police conversation, it’s obvious to me that Joran knows or suspects they are being taped and that Satish and Deepak may or may not.
Also, again notice how protective Joran is of Paulus. This and his myspace page surprised me because I didn’t think Joran thought about anyone but Joran. I’m now inclined to believe that people are right that Daury is Daddy.
Also, I’d remembered incorrectly in that it is Joran who says “it they find that girl they will see that shit”. I’d thought Deepak had said that. It leads me to believe that “that shit” is the drugs given Natalee which the Kalpoe’s may either be responsible for having put in Natalee’s drink or known about. It’s hard to tell because Joran is threatening Deepak and Satish, sometimes with things he knows they are not responsible for.
I guess it would be out of the question due to scheduling conflicts for either Beth, Jug, Peter, or any of the other main players to make an appearance at the Boston and/or NYC protest?
Can you imagine local TV station film crews taking a 30 second bite showing any of them exiting a limo, walking over and embracing the protest volunteers who are representing Natalee at these events? Then showing it on the evening news.
OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice job Carpe, it is cool.
# 10, this case is beyond sick bro,it’s totally inhumane. A Father,Son into this and a cover up with Authorities as well. The puzzle has been laid out and hopefully never to be discovered. They have done this before Im sure but have never figured on ” Beth ” and her Spirit and drive to follow through with what happened to her Daughter. ( Hell has no fury with the scorn of a woman ) Joran, Paulus, Meet Beth, she is, and will be your nightmare, not to mention your downfall………You must realize that everyone in the world is watching you and your deviate son. Go ahead and lie some more, we anticipate it. There are no words for your actions other than Die with your convictions……..
It seems as if right up until the 29th of May in 2005, Joran had a great life going. He was the son of a judge-in-training on a beautiful island, the family has some loot, he had a dertached room from his parents place, and there were some beautiful tourist girls arriving daily to party and have some fun for a week. In other words, it was a teenager dream! If Joran is as guilty as he now seems to be, he sure ruined a great thing. Man, I would’ve kept up that lucky lifestyle on Aruba as long as possible!!
My gut feeling is when they left the casino and confirmed, 4 of them left in Deepaks car. Now, think about it, what was on your mind as a male and where would you go?
I honestly think Natalee was drugged and was so taken advantage of. I think Natalee felt ok with Joran at first and trusted him. I can imagine him telling her he was coming to the USA for school, and maybe they could hook up, who know’s. I really think is was an attraction for natalee, but sad to say not for joran.
I believe Joran had alterior motives and it was not an attraction that he had lead her to believe. To me, it was just another piece of ass for him, an american girl.
@Brie, correct about the police protection.
Mr. G. Get your gut checked by a doctor. Natalee went to Carlos N Charlie’s with her friends (after a concert). Joran went 1/2 hour from closing time with Deepak and Satish.
Aruba is stupid. It won’t do a thing. If they re-arrest Joran (which I doubt) they will still let him go. Anyone with average intelligence knows that Joran’s confession is not drug induced and would also know that 1) it fits with known facts 2)it fits with the early June 2005 confession 3) it fits with what investigators knew when asking Beth about Seizures within 2 days.
But Aruba is going to continue to keep their head in the sand and deny, deny, deny. Why? Because their government and investigators are involved in the cover-up – probably much like why Deepak and Satish continue to keep quiet – complicity in the cover-up.
Whether the Netherlands has the balls to stand up to this One Crappy Little Island, I guess we will find out. One thing is absolutely for sure – Beth and DeVries are not going to shut up. They are Joran’s worst nightmare.
Joran and his family (by allowing his to perpetuate his lie) have ruined Joran’s life. He has no possibility of ever becoming respected. He can forget any nice position in a legal business; he’s stuck with being a criminal or a fast food worker. He may remain free (as in not in prison) but he will never be truly free until he fesses up completely to what he has done and pays the price.
We need not threaten Joran. He’s got a life of private hell. Imagine never being able to trust another soul. Joran will never be able to trust that anyone really wants to be his friend rather than simply get a confession. He will always be watching over his shoulder, waiting for someone to rat him out. No one could possibly do anything worse to Joran that what he and his parents have done to him.
lol, observer, I have to agree, he blew it for sure. He had it made. A teenagers dream , and all the Pu–y he could want. Whats so wrong with this picture, lol?
#28, yes, I agree, and at closing time it is do or die , They went there for a purpose for sure you and I know that along with about a million others as well. Im simply saying, I believe Natalee was targeted from her last night there and maybe before.
Mr. G.
I suggest you take a look at the Casino tapes.
Natalee does not look attracted to Joran at all, and you can see that Natalee is very uncomfortable with the old man to her left.
Katablog, you are right. Like Beth said his nightmare has just started. Can you imagine being the father of a girl who will date Joran?
Some dog owners cut the vocal cords of dogs who bark too much, what will Paulus do?
I just thought of something
Joran probably calls his dad by Paulus
but when he’s mocking Paulus he probably calls him daddy…so….
If he started to say Daddy helped him, but was thinking Paulus what do you get when he blends the two in speech?
p AU lus and D add Y = DAUY or Daury.
Daury is Paulus and when Joran combined the words and they came ou Daury he just put a last name to a Daury he knew.
To Kata,
I agree as well, they will live in there own Hell, thats a given. They asked for it so give it to them.
I have to say, If i have pissed anyone here off Im sorry, is has not been my intention of doing so. We can all find things that incriminate Joran, me as well, and his father, and Im one to believe he is the mastermind behind Jorans cocky answers. Im not here to make waves, but only to speculate what I know has transpired. Im not up to date at the moment, but rest assured Im here wiling to help and do what I can to solve and end this.
ARUBA POLICE AND THEIR LEGAL SYSTEM REMIND ME OF THE MOVIE..POLICE ACADEMY.. OR SHOULD THEY BE THE KEYSTONE COPS…CAR 54 … WHERE ARE U
#8 – Very nice post. There certainly are a lot of people to thank for their support of Natalee and her family.
#9 – Ignorant comments as usual. If you can’t understand why Joran has been a suspect from day, then perhaps you should pull your head out of your a$$. And what is this about PVDS’s computer being hacked? Is that what he claims? HA! More BS from the sweathog.
#15 – I met Beth at a book signing in Denver. What an amazing woman. I was on the verge of tears from the moment I walked into the bookstore and was absolutely blown away by Beth’s strength. I had questions to ask but was so afraid I’d start blubbering like an idiot. Beth’s smile was so warm and listening to her talk about her experiences in Aruba (even reading a bit from the book) was an experience I’ll never forget. I did get to speak with her for a few minutes and gave her a big hug. I wanted to scratch out the eyes of some confrontational jerk who asked her why she was so sure the 3 amigos were involved in Natalee’s disappearance when it seemed more likely that she was sold into sex slavery. Everyone in the room turned to give him the hairy eyeball. I wanted to yell at him, “Don’t you watch the news?” Anyway, I could not have been as gracious as her when answering that dumb effer’s question.
I don’t know what Joran calls is father, but Paulus IS the one who helped him dispose of Natalee without a doubt.
Before anyone can jump my ass, i want to say, I think Beth is a good mother and I do believe Natalee was a good teenager,Nothing will ever change my mind about that. I think Natalee did as a graduate would, go out and have fun, and experiment life. Drugs, I don’t think so, alchohol, yeah its a given. Did Natalee drink to access, No, she had to leave the next day.
Don’t know if this has been posted before.
Here’s an interesting (dutch) site where somebody or some people in an orderly way, created links to all kinds of NH-case vid’s and so on. http://www.zoomz.nl/archief/joran-vd-sloot-videoroundup/
One of the links is to the full PRdeVries-show on Natalee (GoogleVideo); maybe interesting for you too (or at least the people who haven’t seen that show yet) together with transscripts of the show that are posted on the SM-forum.
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-2901897978504594016&q=peter+r+joran&total=189&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6
Joran Vandersloot the Aruban Rapist Murderer of Natalee Holloway making excuses RIGHT BEFORE
the Peter Devries interview.
NOTICE HE MENTIONS NOTHING ABOUT THE POT USE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik5an-r3LmI
-j4n
@katablog
A single person blackmailing a duo into making false confessions is extremely unlikely.
If this would be the case, the borthers sure as hell wouldn’t be gniffling all the time and they certainly would not have Joran state twice very clearly and seriously that only they know what happened to her without getting angry. (They reply by saying they hope she’s found too, which can only be a response of someone that knows more)
Anyway. ANyone have a link to the original Dutch report?
Please everyone go to this website and sign the petition for Natalee: http://www.petitiononline.com/holloway/petition.html
Mr G. and I apologize if I offended you – wasn’t meant to, you just left an opening for my remark.
We tend to be a bit impatient with those that speculate when they aren’t up on the facts because we have heard this type of commentator from Greta V. and Geraldo for about 3 years now. They hire some mouth to come on and say all sorts of stupid things and they just sound stupid because they don’t know the facts of the case.
Joe Tacopina is another great example. He was hired to rehabilitate Joran’s reputation but apparently he wasn’t paid enough to invest time in learning the actual facts of the case. I mean this guy even had a problem getting the age of his client right!
At this point Joe Tacopina can blow his mouth off all he wants. It’s impossible to rehabilitate a confessed murderer. What do you believe, your lying ears or the lying Joe Tacopina?
I think if one is looking for heroes that no one has to look any further than these two people. Make that THREE.
Beth Holloway. If she were a boxer she would be called Beth ‘The Relentless’ Holloway. A mother who had her cub stolen from her.
Peter Van De Vries. Patience and perseverance in the flesh. He pulled off the sting that the authorities, including the FBI, didn’t or couldn’t do. A civilian, no less. No wonder he didn’t get irate over the wine throwing. He knew, as we still didn’t, that revenge was going to be sweeter down the road.
But also, the other hero in this is De Vries ‘undercover’. Without him, none of this would have been possible.
#35 – Gilligan’s Island.
Katablog (#20), the transcript that I have shows that it was indeed Deepak who made that remark, “If they find the girl, they will find all that chit on her.”
Meanwhile, Aruba has taken a bold and decisive step (in its own eyes) towards reviving itself:
it has changed its advertising agency.
I found this on Yahoo today, from AdWeek, but couldn’t enter the full article to copy it:
“Interpublic Group’s Lowe here has been selected to handle creative and media duties by the Aruba Tourism Authority after a review, sources said.”
Another good target for letter writing?
#43 – Looks like I bastardized Peter R. DeVries name. Unintentional.
Nurturer (#43) … Don’t you think that Dave Holloway also belongs on that list?
Nurturer: don’t forget a father and his friends who searched through a horrible garbage dump for days nor the man that stood up to his country to help Beth and Dave and to try to inform the Aruban people what their government was doing!
Then there’s Team Persistence, giving months of their time to simply help Dave and Beth find answers.
One thing I learned very early in life, is that
“life pays you back”. I learned never to seek revenge, just to wait and watch. When a person does something wrong to another, life pays them back. call it karma, retribution, whatever, it is a law of the universe.
What is the prison sentence for drugging and rape only? Could it be that the other two were involved in rape and drugging only?
Let’s not forget that the ALE said Joran bit his tongue bloody during an interogation, so he wouldn’t talk.
How bout Joran lawyer crying that Joran had something to do with the disappearance of Natalee, what would cause a lawyer to cry?
Satish being harassed by Joran for seeing the ghost of Natalee while Satish was in prison.
Paulus telling Joran the night Beth arrived that he doesn’t have to tell them anything, say, now why would Paulus even say that? I mean, if your son could lend some information to parents, whose daughter is missing in a corrupt island, geez, why would your lawyer/judge dad tell you not to say anything, oh, stupid us, huh, unless you have something to hide, like Paulus did?
Ain’t that right Julia? BTW, Aruba ever find that Blue Eyed Dutch boy?
Remember, folks, even if Joran is arrested … that’s only the next step in this case.
He’s been arrested before, and released.
“Justice,” in my eyes, will take place when (if), and ONLY when (if), everyone and anyone involved with drugging Natalee, luring her into the car, and however she met her fate is arrested, detained, tried, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated for the duration of the sentence.
And I don’t mean six months in jail, either.
All this must be done.
And, in my eyes, a full investigation by Aruba (under Dutch supervision, as nobody can think that Aruba is either interested in or capable of looking into the cover-up that has prevailed since May 31, 2005) is completed.
This means, at a MINIMUM, that Jan van der Straaten, Karin Janssen, Gerald Dompig, and (hopefully) media whore Steve Cohen are brought back for questioning under oath. And those found guilty of perjury are punished.
I’m sure that more names can be added.
Meanwhile, I hope that we will continue to protest at each and every tourism promotion event that Aruba Tourism Authority holds in our nation.
I wish our Dutch friends would join in, but that’s up to them. We can and will decide what we do. Stand up for Natalee! And for decency!
Boycott Aruba as though your life were on the line. No more victims, ever again.
Let’s just say it didn’t happen at the beach but at the main Sloot residence. You know, that house that NOBODY was allowed to search? That house that got the search warrent immediately changed on the spot to only search the Sporter pad? That house that had the furniture van with the guy who looked real similar to the guy on the aru-bay video rock painting party?
And that rumor that Sporter’s lil’ bro posted on the net that he saw a sleeping girl in his bathtub– things that make ya go hmmmm…
All rumor aside, on Sporter’s taped “confession” he tells Patrick that ‘he saw the boat was just STANDING THERE’. Standing as in not in the water but standing – perhaps standing in the Gottenbos driveway? Didn’t Sander say he asked Sporter to go on his boat with him?
Koen – was it rumoured that he slept w/mama and papa GTBos?
Koen – Dave said in his book that they peered into the GTBos window and Koen ducked behind a couch.
Sander – he lost his cell phone the night Natalee went missing, right? Why, did he call daddy on it? Did he take some pics on it and now it is in some safety deposit box in case he needs to blackmail with it?
Sander – he posed in a pic with that crying, sad, tortured looking face with Sporter holding a belt around his neck like a dog in a hotel room. Was that some sort of sick reinactment?
Sander – didn’t his family sell everything – the business, the residence, and “Gotten the bos” out of Aruba in a hurry to the USA?
Sander – didn’t he and his big bro Koen know Sporter since they were young, like Joran tells Patrick?
Sander – he’d “go thru the fire” for Sporter – or at least that’s what he said to ALE in a statement. And Joran said “He’d take his name with him to the grave”. Joran also says he has something over on this ‘person’ who helped him with Natalee. You do the math.
Sporter says – “I (called from a payphone and)… asked him to come over” (come over as in ‘come over to my house?)
Sporter says the person he called to take care of Natalee said “You should go home” (as in go back to your own private apt) and get sleep and then go to school. So he arrived there seconds later – perhaps taking a 1/2 hour to talk and figure out what they (the boys) were going to do about the situation. That would certainly place him ‘at home’ within minutes, would place a caring papa figure to tell him what he needs to do, while google the effects of drugs and alcohol.
Or did papa Gottenbos come over and assist the partygoers, cuz papa sloot was not home at the time?
The Gottenbos clan has been extremely QUIET through all this, eh?
And, once again … I believe without doubt that the Kalpoes were, at the VERY LEAST, involved in the drugging of and assault upon Natalee.
Possibly others too.
Pappa Gottenbos would not let Koen be interviewed.
Simian/Shango says ‘One boy was on time for school. The other boy was late for school’. One boy called his papa at 2am. The other called his papa at 4am. Don’t get them mixed up.
Two boys – two dads…one still stuck in Aruba guarding his house for DNA, the other up and left Aruba to get his boys away from the scandal.
The Gottenbos family met with the Sloot family when she first went missing.
WHY???
The paragnost couple is American, right!?
Why aren’t they being sued!?
(klaasend)
__________________________
SM: How do you know a suit isn’t in the works?
The drug dealers/mafia have the power on One Nightmare Eiland.
Who is the highest drug dealer/mafia there?
Monster of Montanja the Younger of the Ditch, maybe you can cut wrists.
Joran mentions he helped get Natalee in the boat…so I would think if it was a friend who came out to help him dispose of the body, he would have traveled with the friend out to sea.
No friend would have said no, you go home to make sure you have a “timed alibi”…
I think Paulus was the one he called and came to his rescue.
“Interpublic Group’s Lowe here has been selected to handle creative and media duties by the Aruba Tourism Authority…”
Here’s FREE advice, Aruba:
1) Creative duties: Do us all a favor, get creative, and take action in this case to put the perps in jail. How refreshing and creative that would be for Aruba to finally accept that Joran is guilty and to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
2) More creative duties: Find out who Joran’s accomplices were and who corrupted the case. Investigate Paulus and demand a timeline.
3) Image duties: If you give Natalee justice and for once, do the right thing, your image problem will take care of itself.
“SM: How do you know a suit isn’t in the works?”
SM, do you know more than the information you publish here and on the forums?
___________________________
SM: No, do you? (klaasend)
@57 Sharon – either Paulus or one of the ‘party-goer’s daddy’s who’s son(s) were also at the gathering and could have had involvement in Natalee’s situation.
I’ll bet one of his partygoer pals has some deep doodoo on the Sporter from that fateful night, either via camera, cameraphone, something…and that’s why he can’t involve others. But look at their actions – how most of them FLED paradise immediately after she went missing.
I would like to recommend that the SM blog create a new award for AHATA PR Crisis Management shills that still want to post and, as AHATA has fully admitted “counterpunch” the truths which are devastating this tourism. They have brought out the paid psychics who have never done anything in their lives (and I would bet you they are buddies of Steve Cohen’s), they have posted to Internet boards, they have put out PRs with “misinformation”.
I would like to call the award THE DAILY BANANA, as Aruba has now shown us that it is nothing but a Banana Republic.
From now on, when a AHATA PR Crisis Management shill posts on the board (e.g. Yoyo, Gabriel Leo, Karel, the “understand our legal system” poster – Rammstein, etc.) their posts should be nominated for THE DAILY BANANA.
AHATA has done their best to try to discredit, distract, and obfiscate Internet postings as they were doing great harm to Aruban tourism. Now, when you identify a potential AHATA poster trying to counterpunch the facts of this case, nominate them and their post for THE DAILY BANANA.
MD
Weren’t they to have made a decision regarding Juron today?
Kata, you mentioned in your post #20 …his myspace page surprised me because I didn’t think Joran thought about anyone but Joran…
I don’t think that is his page, I think it is a spoof/fake page. If you take a look at the 9 folks in his friend list, over half of them have names and avatars of known serial killers.
Richard……….you have mail.
@20 – you mention something very interesting about Deepak.
I read and re-read all his and Satish’s statements. He was inside C&C talking to someone – a friend. (Now remember the 4 of them – including Natalee- were at the bar where Joran bought them all a drink…) Deepak and this ‘other friend’ were talking inside C&C and then they (he and this friend) both headed outside to the back of C&C where he parked his car and where he continued to talk to ‘this friend’.
SO WHO THE HECK WAS THIS FRIEND? I wanna know!
@SM
No.
Btw. I read that person named Arubagirl translated the dutch report. I can’t find her posts anywhere…
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SM: Arubagirl did not translate the Dutch PV’s, you must have gotten some bad information. Arubagirl hasn’t posted in the forum for a couple years, she occasionally posts on the front page of SM. (klaasend)
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:5eelKXD5aAAJ:scaredmonkeys.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D2016.0%3Bprev_next%3Dprev+arubagirl+transcript&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=4
Weird.
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SM: The police car transcript was indeed translated by Arubagirl and was also translated by Getagrip as it was posted in Papiamentu in Diario long before any of the other PV’s were released. I thought you were referring to all of the PV’s that are posted and translated here and at BFN. (klaasend)
Do you think Joran, Paulus, Kalpoes took Natalee’s body to Sanders/Koens house and put her under the tarp in the boat and left her there until sometime the next day when they
launched their boat?
Hey,
Rob had some geat photoshop art work
goin’ on yesterday on Joran the moron.
Or I as like to occasionally like to refer to him… (1 or 18 times a day)
Joran the Natalee Holloway rapist/killer of Aruba!
…
It’s a new reality version of the old show “GREEN
ACRES” with Zsa Zsa Gabor & Eddie Albert!
Joran & Anita team up and start a pot farm
after “Sporter” leaves grandmawmaw’s house with
a bag of magical pot seeds & beans he found in
de Nederlands. It’s a regular RIOT, Alice!
JORAN SAYS:
“FARM LIVIN’ IS THE LIFE FOR ME!”
http://tinyurl.com/2sebgk
http://tinyurl.com/2bhhvd
-j4n
I found the original:
http://scrux.com/transcripts/policecarconvo/policecardutch.htm
I’ll translate rightnow.
mn dad –
For your viewing pleasure. Ironic that Carla is Natalee’s aunt and an “Aruba team member” . And as far as the ahata thing goes – believe what you want but 100% not true.
Aruba Tourism Authority is Very Proud of Travel Industry Accomplishment.
The Aruba Tourism Authority was very pleased with the recent news that its public relations agency of record, Quinn & Co., brought home a silver medal award from the Hospitality Sales & Marketing Association International (HSMAI) 2008 Adrian Awards for their work in promoting the island of Aruba. HSMAI’s mission is to be the leading source for sales and marketing information, knowledge, education, business development, and networking for professionals in tourism, travel, and hospitality. The silver award was won in the following category, consumer media, feature placement. The winning media placement was published on February 4, 2007 in the New York Daily News, one of the top five newspapers in the U.S., and was a travel section cover feature story on Aruba, written by journalist, Michael Nassar. Nassar had traveled to Aruba to research the piece in late 2006.
The annual gala dinner was held at the Marriott Marquis in New York City on Monday, January 28, 2008. President and founder of Quinn & Co., Mrs. Florence Quinn and, Carla Caccavale, partner in charge of the travel division and Aruba team member, were present to accept the award in behalf of the destination.
Quinn & Co. has been awarded numerous prizes in the past by HSMAI, including its top honor, the Best of Show award, two years in a row, 2005 and 2006. Additionally, they have been the recipients of five Platinum Awards, 24 Gold Awards, 24 Silver Awards and 23 Bronze Awards over the years. But the highlight came when Florence Quinn was awarded as one of the “Top 25 Most Extraordinary Minds in Hospitality and Travel Sales & Marketing” in 2006.
“The ATA is proud of having Quinn & Co. as a partner in promoting the island,” stated Gina Lopez-Gnecco, public relations director for ATA. “They are a dynamic and very creative PR agency who love Aruba and who enjoy an excellent working relationship with top media in the U.S.”
The winning article is the direct result of the excellence, perseverance and professionalism of ATA’s PR department, with the continued cooperation of the island’s the hotels, restaurants, AHATA and the many ATA partners in the tourism industry.
If Joran used his apartment as a rape station for him, Kalpoes, and others over the year before Natalee died… I would think the neighbors at one time or another would have picked up on what was happening there? Maybe not?…. I am thinking if they did and kept their mouths shut, maybe after watching the Peter Devries tapes of Jorans confession maybe they are ready to talk about it?
Wonder whoelse is thinking about talking now that the world has seen Jorans’ confession on tape? … This might bring forth what is needed if someone talks.
With Deepaks comment about “if they find the girl they will see the stuff on her”….
Maybe he meant the belt marks around her neck?
I’ve seen an article, courtesy of JusticeforNatalee, that now says the Dutch judges MAY decide by “the end of the week.”
The TROLL yoyo idiottop continues to show it’s stupidity. Do NOT FEED THE TROLL! Damn what a
simpleton.
Folks, whoever we suspect, whatever we theorize, however we see events developing ….
There is ONE concrete step that we can take, ONE concrete action that we can perform.
Boycott Aruba.
Spread the word about boycotting Aruba.
And if at all possible, take part in the protests at Aruba Tourism Authority “lure the tourists” events.
Write to JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com to get information. Two events are coming up soon; one in Boston, one in New York.
Aruba cares about its tourism as it cares about nothing else … vide Yoyo’s comment up above.
Let’s show them what WE care about: justice for Natalee, and saving possible future victims.
Stand up for Natalee! Take part in the protests!
If you don’t, who will?
#42, none taken kata……..
Shango:
“DirtyHand is not an Arawak”
“DirtyHand is not achild of Babylon”
DH must be a drug lord/mafia scum.
WiFi provided 2K with the alibi! THey were not at home. They called in on their cell phones. Who owns an Internet Cafe?
Monster of Montanja the Younger of the Ditch – you could inject air into your viens!
Screw that YOYO…
ARUBA TOURIST BUCUTI BEACH CAM
http://www.bucuticam.com/index.html
Nobody.
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Like I said, Aruba enjoys eating sh for breakfast,
and rewarding people for doing nothing.
Let them continue on enjoying it…
as long as they protect Joran Vandersloot
the rapist/murderer of Oranjestad.
JUSTICE FOR NATALIE… WE HAVE TO BE HER VOICE!!!!
WE CANT GIVE UP… WE HAVE TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SEE PAUULUS AND JORAN .. PUNISHED….
PAUULUS IS A SICK…0.. I DONT KNOW SO MUCH THAT HES AN ENABLER.. AS MUCH AS I THINK HE IS A BIG PARTICIPANT.. I CANT GET THE PICTURE OUT OF MY MIND.. PAUULUS SITTING ACROSS FROM NATALIE… DID HE TRY TO HAVE SEX WITH HER.. WHAT WERE THEY ALL UP TO.. WAS THERE A CARAVAN TO THE BEACH.. IT IS GOING TO HAUNT ME .. UNTIL I SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN TO JORAN AND HIS FREAK DAD.. AND LETS NOT FORGET.. THE MOTHER… SHES JUST AS SICK
THEY GOT TWO OTHER BOYS.. THAN NEED BETTER PARENTING SKILLS…OR NEED THOSE TWO OTHERS REMOVED FROM THE HOUSE.. SURELY .. THEY KNEW SINCE JORAN WAS YOUNG THAT HE WAS A PROBLEM WITH PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEMS… A BAD SEED.. THAT FAMILY….SICK SICK SICK… I HOPE THE ISLAND SHUNS THEM…. ……….
Remember when??????????????/
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-06-11-Aruba-killing_x.htm
http://www.annointed.net/Article899.html
http://www.fokkinel.com/?s=lorenzo+van+r.&x=0&y=0
What has happened in 1000 days?????
Zilch, zero, nada, nothing, goose egg, seroe, etc.
73 sharon; More likely the imprint of his sneakers’ soles. A dead body that has been bruised, say by kicking, retains the imprint in the bruise until decomposition. Plus the belt, plus the duct tape residue, plus the bruises from the hands from strangulation. They probably broke her hypoid bone I think that is what it is called. It is the little bone in the back of the throat that gets broken in strangulation that causes suffication. We are not talking Natalee shook a little and died in my arms fairy tail.
We are talking brutal gang rape, choking, physical abuse and do not forget the head injury. Any more reasons why Natalee was not permitted to be found and was disposed of like trash.
Hmmmmm. Translation will take a while.
I will also include references to all other translations published before.
There definately is something strange going on. Even in the first twenty lines I allready find people making whole sentences up in their translation.
This is the real source of all material:
http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html (EDIT-WRONG – WE HAVE AN ACTUAL COPY OF THE PV)
As far as I know there is no photocopies in papiamento. See also the Roger post here:
(EDIT – SORRY BUT WE DON’T DIRECT LINK TO SCRUX OR RU)
I will translate in exactly same format as on photocopies, like this:
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The conversation on audiocd was performed in Dutch language and it was put on paper by me, MOHAN. This is how it went:
D sais to J: “How does it feel Joran”
J sais to D with raised voice: “You(plural) made my dad get arrested friend”
D sais to J in very cam manner: “That’s what I’m saying, how does that feel”
J sais to D: You(singular) know very(1) well my father has nothing to do with anything.(2)
J sais to D: I have read your(plural) statement friend”
D sais J: “That’s bullshit”
J sais to D: “You(plural) are lying shit”
J sais to D in very cam manner: You(plural) know what happened to that girl. If you(plural) don’t know, then nothing has happened to her.
J sais to D: “So f*** you(plural)”
J sais to D: “What are you saying that Freddy has to get arrested”(3)
D sais to J: “That he should tell the truth”
J sais to D: “You know very well that Freddy has told the truth”
S sais to J: “You will see, you will see”
1: The word “very” is free interpretation of what is probably just a typing error: “nee)”. “Nee” means no in dutch but it doesn’t fit in the context of the sentence and the ) sign doesn’t make sense either.
2: The word “anything” is translated from dutch word “er” which is not pointing towards something specific like English words it or this.
3: This is very literally translated but also in Dutch there is no doubt that in proper language he would have said “Are you trying to say that Freddy has to get arrested”
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SM: Now that you are done with YOUR interpretation I’d suggest not wasteing any more time. Also, please do not post any more direct links to Scrux or Refugees. We don’t link to site that support the known pathological liar Joran (klaasend)
At line 3 it starts getting interesting allready.
Some translations mention “how do you feel” others “how does it feel”.
It’s very clearly “how does THAT feel” though.
And that very clearly implies….
Rest comes later.
Can we get rid of Karel…another paid pain in the ass that makes no sense….!!!!
SHARON – I like that we’re thinking along the same lines….and also like your “she was placed under the boat tarp” theory – very plausible indeed. What ever happened to that blue tarp on the edge of the hill someone photographed anyway?
Saoirse @78, DH is also ALIVE and WELL (as opposed to someone who we thought was dead or very sick???)
Paulus Vandersloot smuggles his son a cellphone
while in prison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBpE-ZmZ3Gg
#47 & #48 – Indeed!
“Can we get rid of Karel…another paid pain in the ass that makes no sense….!!!!”
I have nothing to hide Brie. If you think I’m being paid or whatever I suggest you go to the authorities and tell them about it.
‘MYSTERY BOY’
So who was this ‘boy’ that Deepak was talking to inside C&C? How did this mystery boy get there – by car? Did this mystery boy and his car follow Deepak’s car with Natalee in it?
SATISH 6/11/05 STATEMENT
“…My brother Deepak parked the car behind the former Ritsz building. After my brother had parked the car, the three of us walked to Carlos & Charlies….”
“…Joran and the girl started talking. I saw that my brother was talking to a boy. The boy with whom my brother was talking I know by face only, I do not know his name. I had seen him in Carlos & Charlies before. I saw that the girl took Joran by the hand and lead him to another bar. I followed them. My brother stayed behind because he was talking to this boy…”
“…I had not seen my brother anymore. I saw that Joran and the girl were about to drink a shot. At that point I received a “missed call”. I did not hear the phone but felt that I was being called, this was because I had set my mobile phone to vibrate…”
“…I saw that my brother had called me. I know that my brother didn’t have any more credit on his mobile phone and had called him back. My brother answered his phone and asked where we were. I told him that we were still inside Carlos & Charlies. He had told me that he was already at his car. I told him that we would come to where he was. I said to Joran that my brother was already at the car and if we were leaving, because Carlos & Charlies was about to close. Joran said that it was OK that we would be leaving and that the girl would be coming with us. We, Joran, the girl and myself, then walked outside. I was still holding my “Yard” in my hand. Outside the girl talked to a group of people. There were approximately 30 people in that group. I did not hear what they were talking about. We then walked over to the car. My brother was standing near the back of the car on the right. I said to my brother we are leaving, because Carlos & Charlies was about to close…”
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=186.0
“EDIT-WRONG – WE HAVE AN ACTUAL COPY OF THE PV”
Why don’t you publish it?
Is this the same or is this a fraud?
This one was used as a source for all translation on different messageboards, right?
I allready noticed one small missing part and another part that’s hard to fit within the rest of the conversation but if this was same source as other translations i’ll translate anyway because the whole point is to show that most or even all translations circulating the net are attempts to mislead people.
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SM: I have no idea what other message boards used as a source. I know the original PV was published in Diaro and that was translated by Arubagirl and Getagrip. (klaasend)
Dana and SM,
First off wanted to say God Bless you, and to Beth, Dave, Jug, Pieter & Patrick & Kees, the PERSISTENCE team thank you so much, God Bless all of you. Who knew angels flew so low….
And to Scarlett #8 and Carpe, lovely and so thoughtful and kind. You two are also angels……
Questions: So Sorry this is a very lost post, but I just wanted to put this out there. From what I have read, many seem to have the same questions.
Art Wood said he tracked down the Gottenbos boat, any updates?
Art Wood, what ever happened to Officer Halley?
Pieter, Art and Beth what do you think of Koen and Sander Gottenbos possible involvement? Their father would not allow Koen to be questioned, only Sander. Why did they suddenly & suspiciously take their boat out of the water, sell it, move the family to Georgia and Koen is studying in Holland?
Beth, Pieter, Art have you ever seen a time line for Paulus? Why have the ALE never established a time line for Paulus?
Is it true Paulus is practicing law in the same office as one of Joran’s defense attorneys? And he smuggled a phone into the jail for Joran. Excuse me! Is it true Paulus made 2 large ATM withdrawals in the wee hours of May 30th 2005? What/who was that $$$ for? [If Steve Croes needed some hush money, that could make sense – see below re: Tatoo & Croes] Also, on the casino footage we can see Paulus is seated next to Natalee and her friends – but they said that is not Paulus? Well who is it, his long lost twin Daury Van der Sloot?
Beth, Art correct me if I am wrong – Joran, K2 and Paulus were originally questioned as witnesses. As a witness, one must not lie, obstruct justice, obstruct/impede an investigation. However they lied about the Holiday Story, fingered to black security guards who were completely innocent, etc. [Paulus and Van der Stratten called that a tactical maneuver. Excuse me, for what? ] Upon her arrival in Aruba, Beth brought them the 3 prime suspects on a silver platter. But more than 10 days passed before the 3 – JK2 were brought in/arrested as suspects.
Beth, Art please remind everyone the reason there is NO EVIDENCE is because they allowed 10 days to GET RID OF/DISPOSE OF any EVIDENCE. “No body, no crime”
Do you ever think there will be an investigation of the investigation? Especially, “the higher powers”: Ben King/Ben Voking/Bob Smit [re: search warrant declined of VDS residence, only Joran’s apartment was searched], Van Der Stratten, Dennis Jacobs [asking Beth and Jug about seizures/epilepsy w/in first 48 hours and later. It is STUNNING Beth. It is horrific Joran describes and imitates Natalee’s suffering. I too wanted to jump through the TV and peel the skin off his face. ], Dompig, Croes, etc…as well as Paulus!!!! Yes, Beth the utter disregard Joran had for Natalee. His actions are disturbing and criminal.
Yes, and as Jug said on Nancy Grace, get Dennis Jacobs and Van der Stratten on TV. He [Van der Stratten] like Paulus are both cowards. “Ask him [Van der Stratten] why he told me [Jug Twitty] if I didn’t keep my mouth shut he would stop the investigation.” [Nancy Grace/CNN 2/12/2008] Yes why are they covering up and what are they covering up??? Beth why did Dennis Jacobs ask you to change your statement that Jug discusses on Nancy Grace, and as you and Dave outlined in both of your books? Their “the higher powers” actions are highly suspicious.
IMO, there is no doubt they drugged [perfectly healthy/zero medical history of “seizures” Natalee] with GHB aka Liquid Ecstasy because GHB would cause “shaking, seizures, all of those kinds of physical affects as a result of GHB”. GHB is extremely dangerous and is commonly used as a “date rape drug”. There are thousands of reports of victims worldwide who have gone into a coma or died as a direct result of GHB. Aruba needs to take that very seriously and Carlos n Charlies must put their foot down, be far more strict. Remember, Joran was 17 at the time, Joran bought Natalee’s drinks, shot of 151, that is underage drinking. It is unforgivable to me Joran has NOT been held accountable for ANY OF HIS CRIMES/CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.
IMO, Joran’s confession on the Devries tapes is the tip of the iceberg. Paulus and K2 need to be brought in again for questioning, as well as, Koen & Sander and Steve Croes. Some speculate Joran needed a smaller boat [ie. Gottenbos boat] to transport the body to the Tatoo boat which is far too big to pull in close to shore, any truth to that?
The Persistence Team brought up an interesting point on Greta last night. They said, “Joran said on the complete Dutch version of the Devries tapes that “he” SLID the body into the water [from the boat into the ocean]. Not rolled the body overboard. This too leads them to believe the body was put in a container, much like what Dr. Hodges believes. As horrific as all of this is, if anyone can find dear Natalee, it is the Persistence. God Bless them and as they say on their website, their resolve is stronger than ever.
Dana, I hope you will mention the Persistence team – they need our prayers too, and our support and our donations. What they are doing is truly heroic. Again, who knew angels flew so low.
Pieter, I have seen your website. Any chance you offer the rest of your site in English too. I am not surprised there are people who know more but are afraid to go to the Aruban authorities. I sincerely hope they will go to your tip line.
I really fear Joran, Paulus and K2 will get off, BUT you Pieter De Vries have let the world know the truth and you will continue to let the world the truth as well as Scared Monkeys and many others. Pieter, keep calling Joran’s BLUFF and keep making him TILT in frustration. Joran is a gambler/card shark, a gambler/shark of the worst possible kind, he has gambled with peoples lives, gambled with a country, etc…. Beth is right Look at what Joran has done/they have done………Joran has dragged everyone through hell. Joran has been in a living hell and he just inflamed his living hell, a living hell which will only get worse.
Also: As Jug said Joran lied from the very beginning. BUT IN EVERY LIE THERE ARE TRUTHS. All gamblers/card sharks have TELLS. TELLS = TRUTH.
http://tinyurl.com/2g9vbm
IMO, this is one of the BEST interviews by far. In case you missed it I hope for anyone who did not get a chance to listen to SM radio, do check it out. [Really looking forward to tonight’s radio cast as well!]
Listen to what Art Wood says about Anita – “actions of a mother to her son [sociopath]”
Listen to what they say about Paulus and Joran –
Listen to what they say about 3 on 1 versus a 1 on 1 – IMO, K2 are all involved, don’t rush too quick to let K2 off the hook.
Listen to what Red said, BRILLIANT! SM you rock!
Art Wood said he tracked down the Gottenbos boat and gave that to the Aruban authorities. I do hope he gave that information to Devries as well. Seriously! Given what we know of cover up & corruption would you trust the ALE with an ounce of evidence/information? I’d give it all to Devries. [That goes for all you who are still afraid to go to the ALE.]
Let’s not forgot, DEVRIES GAVE THE PROSECUTION A SECOND CHANCE. THE CASE WAS REOPENED DUE TO DEVRIES. DEVRIES & PATRICK GOT JORAN TO TALK. Pieter and Patrick and Kees, you are amazing!! Thank you so much!!!
Boo hoo Lorenzo had to get a lawyer. Track down Koen in Holland and Sander in Georgia – HELLO!
I agree, yes, there are 2 Daury’s – listen to the Devries tapes again
Daury 1 – Daddy/Paulus
Daury 2 – Koen Gottenbos [or Sander Gottenbos, but Koen fits the description better given the facts we know]
If you follow Dr. Hodges thoughtprint analysis, then how about?
Daury is 2 letters away from Daddy
Dory is a type of boat
Dowry also means:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry
One common penalty for the kidnapping and rape of unmarried women was that the abductor or rapist had to provide the woman’s dowry, which was until the late 20th century the wreath money, or the breach of promise.
Witch Hunt? It must suck when everyone in the media is saying, “What the ALE/prosecution could or WOULD not do in more than 2 1/2 years! It took a Dutch JOURNALIST and an informant to crack the case.”
BTW – Hope you all caught JQ Kelly on The Big Story w/ John Gibson /FOX News. This is a MUST SEE. For example:
“Isn’t is about time THAT they ACTUALLY bring HIM in [PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT] for some questioning and talk to him about this?”
JQK “I would like for them to have another conversation with him [PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT] if they haven’t by now.”
“WHY WOULDN’T THEY?”
JQK “There’s no reason they shouldn’t John [Gibson]”
Then they go into the seizures again and smuggling the cell phone in the jail, etc… Worth watching.
J 4 N!!!!
Can we put a e-bullet into blowhard posters like Karel & Dolf?
I mean…
Karel is trying to argue small points & pissin’ people the f off…
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Joran Vandersloot said he took Natalee Ann to a boat to someone who agreed to throw her away in the sea,
for crying outloud!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have had it up to my f’n ‘you know whats’ with
people who feel it is their life long calling
to defend scumbags like Joran Vandersloot & OJ
f’n Simpson.
OJ, who BTW is in lockdown in Las Vegas tonight.
I am just so done with people who feel the need to
defend the indefensible. Sorry for venting!
Hey Dolf, if the mass murders and rapes in Darfur are really twisting your effing panties into such a knot…
Here’s an idea, numbnuts… go visit a message board
that does nothing but focus on that ‘also important
topic.’ Whining like a giant pu$$y about it on the dedicated Natalee Holloway SCARED MONKEYS FP ain’t gonna get you very much help on that subject.
-J4N
30. Mr. G. I believe you are correct.
KAREL??? #83
who is this (D) PERSON THAT (J) IS TALKING TO IN CONVERSATION..PLEASE RESPOND:)
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SM: Deepak (klaasend)
83. and 91. Karel: You spent a lot of time pointing out a couple of things that don’t change the meaning of the statements at all.
Yes,Lilpuma 94 and Mr. G #30
Could not agree with you more…….This has always been a predatory game for Joran and then Jk2
“You wouldn’t believe how easy it was”
““We’ve done this like 20 times before and nothing bad ever happened [until now]”
Part 2: PREDATORY “CUTTING” GAME
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9398540/
“…Any local worth his salt can tell you that women can be found there [C&C] who might drink a little too much. In a worst case scenario, a woman might even be convinced to accompany complete strangers on a trip around the island, perhaps visiting upon herself a horror that she could never have anticipated…”
“…The game plan, so I’m told, [in Aruba] is to find an intoxicated woman, or get a woman drunk, or to drug the woman. Then while intoxicated, drugged, or both; the victim, with little or no strength or ability to resist, is next taken to a lonely location, possibly gang raped, and then dumped back at or near her hotel…”
“…Were such a victim to report that she had been assaulted, local authorities would then tell her that the investigation would require her to miss her plane ride home or her cruise ship away from the island. Further, the victim is told that her life will be turned upside down by the subsequent investigation. Most women get the message – accept your fate and move on with your life. Score: predators 1, victim 0…”
“…In another statement Joran allegedly said that he took Natalee to his house (he lives in an apartment detached from his parent’s residence in a middle class area of Aruba) where he had sex with the teenage girl while she was semiconscious. Joran then said he took Natalee to a beach close to her hotel, near the so-called “fisherman’s hut,” where he allegedly left her passed out or asleep on the sand…”
“….We now know that Deepak, who referred to Natalee Holloway as “a slut” in a recent tape recorded interview, also allegedly stated on tape that he, his brother Satish and Joran van der Sloot all had sex with Natalee the night she disappeared. Deepak also acknowledged that Ecstasy is used to drug women in Aruba….”
“…Natalee’s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, a woman who only wants to know what happened to her daughter, told me that Joran had provided police with intimate physical details concerning Natalee that would support some aspects of his confession to having had sex with Natalee….”
j4n!!!!!!
@SM
Don’t you think I have a right to reply to threats like “Can we put a e-bullet into blowhard posters like Karel & Dolf?”?
“Karel is trying to argue small points & pissin’ people the f off…”
I don’t think it’s a small point if it was clear from the very beginning that most likely Joran was blackmailed into telling lies.
Even if you think thats not so clear it’s weird to believe Joran can force the brothers into making false confessions and not the other way round.
I think Joran is the ultimate liar indeed. He’s so damn good at it because he knows he’s not even close to guilty of anything relating Natalee’s disapearance or death. After being dragged into the lying circus there was just no way back for him.
But even if you totally disagree on this it was a dumb thing to publish those tapes right away. It’s so dumb that it’s just plain suspicious.
That’s because people like the Vries know that going live without supporting proof is the surest way to kill possibilities of finding them. That’s because people like the Vries knew that other people involved or people putting Joran in a tight spot would highly profit from this action.
And that’s because he knew Joran was telling more of the same lies again.
I’ll even make a bet with you. When the whole 10 hours of video come out, any poll will indicate 85% of people thinking Peter knew that Joran realized that he was being setup.
Anyway. If you don’t wanna know the truth, keep going after the public scapegoat! You’ll never be able to believe anything from him anyway.
Help me understand why anyone is responding to trolls such as karel & co.
Clearly they are nothing but fossils in a cave circa 1000 B.C.
j4n!!!!!
97. Suisse 71 writes:
Yes,Lilpuma 94 and Mr. G #30
Could not agree with you more…….This has always been a predatory game for Joran and then Jk2
“You wouldn’t believe how easy it was”
““We’ve done this like 20 times before and nothing bad ever happened [until now]”
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Exactly. And we’ve heard Anita and other locals blame Natalee for drinking and getting into a car with a predatory local. In other words, if you’re in Aruba, you have to protect yourself because the culture in Aruba is to blame the tourist if a local does them harm. The obvious response is to not go there and warn others about this quirk in the mindset of Arubans.
100 Lilpuma, here’s some more 411 – I can post more facts if you like. Thank you Lilpuma and SM and for all that you and so many others on this post have done. God Bless you. God Bless The Persistence!!
http://www.vachss.com/help_text/archive/hard_to.html
“In cases in which an attack has taken place, the offender profile is commonly “men who have weird ideas of control and no respect for women,” Curran says. “For some of them, it is almost related to necrophilia because the women are virtually unconscious when the attack occurs.”
“The offenders are often running a bigger risk than they realise, Sturman says. “When the attacker doesn’t know what medication the person is taking, the result could be fatal. I have known cases in which people think they can do this ‘for a laugh’ but it could get you convicted of manslaughter.”
[OR “Over the weekend they began to wonder if they had been slipped a drug. When Young visited the police station with Whyte the following Monday, the police mentioned GHB (liquid ecstasy) and Rohypnol.”]
Pls. Refer to my previous post #92 about GHB and Liquid ecstasy for more details re: Joran and K2.
PLS. Forgive SM this is another long one, but I feel this is important information. Let’s practice safe travels and keep each other safe & sound.
BTW, Lilpuma have you read “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin de Becker? It’s is pretty amazing. It’s worth checking out, it’s about intuition and how fear, and our inner voice, is there for a reason. Lifesaving. Oprah just featured this on her show. For example:
The author of book, Gavin de Becker quoted Jung, “What we do not make conscious emerges later as fate “
Becker continues just after Oprah talks about a woman who was raped:
MEN AT CORE ARE AFRAID THAT WOMEN WILL LAUGH AT THEM
WOMEN AT CORE ARE AFRAID THAT MEN WILL KILL THEM
AND OFTEN WOMEN BELIEVE THAT IF YOU ARE NOT NICE YOU WILL INCREASE THE LIKELYHOOD OF DANGER AND RISK, WHEN IN FACT THE EXACT OPPOSITE IS TRUE.
IT’S WHEN YOU [WOMEN] ARE NICE THAT YOU OPEN UP AND GIVE INFORMATION. THAT YOU WILL ENGAGE WITH SOMEONE THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO TALK TO.
….AND FOR FEAR OF BEING PERCEIVED AS SOMEONE WHO IS NOT NICE, AND ULTIMATELY LEADS TO A RAPE…..
Then he says and listen carefully:
I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ONE CASE IN MY ENTIRE CAREER WHERE SOMEONE WAS RAPED OR MURDERED BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT NICE.
IN OTHER WORDS THAT’S NOT THE THING THAT MOTIVATES RAPE AND MURDER. BUT I HAVE HEARD OF MANY, MANY CASES WHERE SOMEONE WAS VICTIMIZED BECAUSE THEY WERE OPEN TO THE CONTINUED CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE THEY DID NOT FEEL GOOD ABOUT TALKING TO.
Oprah says, “And did not listen to the first hmmm? The first feeling something is not right here. Rather second guessed it…”
Becker goes on about men who are allergic to rejection. Restraining orders can give a false sense of security – they are mostly a strategy for war, not a strategy for peace.
MEN WHO ARE “ALLERGIC TO REJECTION” – Interesting….
Remember Joran’s interview with Greta. At certain times it was as if he was having an allergic reaction – his neck became red, the reaction rose to his face, all red, like hives. Yeah, Pinocchio had a similar physical reaction when he lied too. But Joran did not break out with Patrick during the De Vries video. But he broke out in other ways, remember Joran is a gambler/card shark. He felt “safe in that car” taking to Patrick. But watch the Devries tapes again and apply these facts about a players TELLS::
Table Talk: Pay attention to what your opponents are saying. If a player says that they are only in the hand because they want to go home (often used in tournaments) or that they feel like gambling, they often have a monster hand. Similarly, talkative players that all of a sudden go silent also often have very strong hands. Don’t bluff and fold all marginal hands if you spot these types of tells.__Eye Contact: Players are more likely to make eye contact with you if they are weak (hoping to represent strength) and more likely to avoid eye contact if they are strong (hoping to represent weakness). If you find yourself in a marginal situation, take a look at your opponent. If they are staring right at you, be more likely to call. If they are looking away, be more likely to fold.
Becker also said on Oprah, “HUMAN BEINGS WILL GET INTO A STEEL SOUND PROOF CHAMBER WITH SOMEONE THEY ARE AFRAID OF AND THERE’S NOT ANOTHER ANIMAL IN NATURE THAT WOULD EVEN CONSIDER IT.
That gave me chills, thinking of Natalee wanting to be nice getting in Deepak and Satish’s car with Joran. Her friends told her to get out the car. It is just heartbreaking she was never seen again. It is beyond comprehension what Joran did to Natalee and beyond heartbreaking.
Until Joran, the predator, is arrested and convicted of his crimes, I hope “The Gift of Fear” will keep his next victim alive and safe, and, for the other young women he has victimized, assaulted I hope “The Gift of Fear” will give them the courage and strength to come forward. Remember the feeling itself is the warning sign.
Every woman should have this book. Give it to you daughters….
NO ABSOLUTLEY MEANS NO.
WHEN YOU SAY NO IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, AND THE PERSON PERSISTS TO TELL YOU WHY THE ANSWER IN NOT NO –
YOUR NEXT RESPONSE IS, “WHY IS THIS PERSON TRYING TO CONTROL ME?”
ANYTIME SOMEBODY DOES NOT HEAR NO, IT MEANS THEY ARE TRYING TO CONTROL YOU
Becker goes on regarding gender differences in this country:
WHEN A MAN SAYS NO IT’S THE END OF THE DISCUSSION
WHEN A WOMAN SAYS NO IT IS THE BEGINNING OF A NEGOTIATION
So true! Think about it…..
J4N!!!!! SAFE TRAVELS – LET’S KEEP EACH OTHER SAFE & SOUND!!!!
I wrote this from a prespective of what Natalee may have experienced. Just a feeling.
Oh how I look forward to this trip. I’ve worked so hard and achieved so much these past years and now it’s time to lay back and have some fun. I have so many future goals but I’ll worry about those when I return. For now its about me, my friends and paradise.
It’s strange how fast I’ve grown from little girl to young woman, I still have so much to learn about myself and the world around me. I’m confident but a little insecure about how I compare. I sometimes wonder if I am smart enough, or pretty enough or cool enough. But it is so good to be far from the constraints of home, at least for right now.
It has been a terrific week, my friends and I had a ball. We met a nice boy from the Island today, he’s tall, sophisticated and seems to have goals in life. (I wonder if he likes me?).
It’s my last night here and we are making the most of it , we’re at a place called Carlos & Charlies. Oh, look it’s the boy from the casino (I think he’s looking at me). Maybe I’ll ask him to dance. I just don’t want the night to end, this week has gone by too quickly. Joran just bought me a drink it was 151 rum, (oooh strong., hope I can handle it). He just offered to drive me back to the hotel with his friends (he seems safe) so what the hell.
He’s holding my hand and walking me to the car (the ultimate romantic vacation). Maybe we’ll kiss and talk. His friend just put a dirty movie on in his car (that’s weird). Joran’s getting a little frisky (hope he doesn’t expect too much from me). I’m getting a little nervous and starting to say weird stuff to keep him at bay. (I feel a little sick, hope I don’t throw up). Uh oh, I’m leaning over and can’t stop it, I threw up (think it got on Joran’s shoes). Deepak is pissed he is obsessed with his car (and now the smell). He says we have to get out. He’s dropping us off by the water (probably gonna go clean his precious car). I can barely walk and just fell getting out. Wow, I never felt so sick before (what is wrong with me?). Joran is walking away as I lay here, I’m trying to say don’t leave me here like this ( I think he’s washing off his shoes). Oh, he’s coming back to me now but I can barely move. He’s groping at me, I feel so helpless (oh God it doesn’t even matter anymore, I feel myself drifting away).
There is a beautiful bright light in front of me now, I feel so safe and warm, I think I may really be in “paradise”. Don’t worry Mom all is well here…I love you…
Note to SM, When I go to the scared monkeys radio site I can listen to the streaming radio. You might post that each time because some of us can’t listen from the regular site until the show is over and the mp3 loaded.
THANK YOU DANA FOR AN EXCELLENT SHOW.
I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE AND … I WILL SAY IT AGAIN … YOU COULD TEACH BOTH GRETA AND NANCY A THING OR TWO REGARDING “GRACEFULLY ALLOWING INVITED GUESTS A PLATFORM SHARE WHAT IS ON THEIR HEARTS.”
SPECIAL THANKS TO YOUR WONDERFUL PANEL.
JANET
#98- Karel -
While you have just as much of a right to post here on a public blog as anyone else….think again if you feel that your typed words, misinformation, translations and jabbering on here are going to change the minds of many of us “die-hard” SM fans. In case you have not noticed…the majority of us here are “Justice for Natalee” supporters….So- inshort, if you think we are going to go along with most everything you are trying to convey….NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, GIRL.
Sorry, go sell your BS theories to another crowd…we are NOT buying them. Don’t you have something better to do with your time, dear?
-J4N
#98- Karel…..
you said, ” I think Joran is the ultimate liar indeed. He’s so damn good at it because he knows he’s not even close to guilty of anything relating Natalee’s disapearance or death. ”
First sentence in paragraph is a no-brainer. Joran is a pathological liar. (DUH!)
Second sentence….Uhhhhhhhmmmnn… Karel? Did you take too many meds today? You are quire delisional with that statement. You have GOT to be kidding ?!! Nothing could be further from the truth.
~ * ~ JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ~ * ~
I’m not quite sold on the boat theory… cuz I want to totally rule out a helicoptor or private plane (or sea plane). Sporter’s baby bro was on the private plane website at 3:30am…why? (forums.x-plane.org) so whazzup with googling that?
And, iirc Aruba ‘higher powers that be’ had unofficially taken a helicoptor and was reprimanded – summer of 2005, right? Then the reporter/investigator followed a tip and saw Natalee and others get into a helicoptor and take off….
Remember folks, Sporter tells 1/2 truths. Unfortunately he’s told his lies so much he is starting to believe all of them!
mary d # 102
that was beautiful
thank u
Great job Sussie71! You got the thought process going in the right direction when you said:
I agree, yes, there are 2 Daury’s – listen to the Devries tapes again
Daury 1 – Daddy/Paulus
Daury 2 – Koen Gottenbos [or Sander Gottenbos, but Koen fits the description better given the facts we know]
If you follow Dr. Hodges thoughtprint analysis, then how about?
Daury is 2 letters away from Daddy
Dory is a type of boat
My husband has read Dr. Hodges book and explained the thought process he uses with the words written or spoken by subjects, like Urine and the other 2 amigoes.
BTW…Our discussions will keep on target if everyone will just ignore Karel & Dolf and any other TROLL for Urine.
101. Suisse71. Read your post. Very good 411 as you say. In particular this:
Becker also said on Oprah, “HUMAN BEINGS WILL GET INTO A STEEL SOUND PROOF CHAMBER WITH SOMEONE THEY ARE AFRAID OF AND THERE’S NOT ANOTHER ANIMAL IN NATURE THAT WOULD EVEN CONSIDER IT.
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It’s one thing to be polite and kind and teach our children the same, but when you feel something’s not right about this situation, you should run in the opposite direction. It’s something I’m sure we should all remember AND TEACH OUR CHILDREN. Teach them when it’s IMPERATIVE that they not be polite and nice.
To Squatty79, #109 & your husband. God Bless you. How amazing you two are! And so many others, thank you & God Bless you…..Squatty79 Also check out posts from katablog, EURobert, Richard, Carpe, Deetch, Arubanese, and may others on this SM site – all are amazing and their input has always been most relevant and helpful.
Let’s not focus our energy on trolls, rather on Persistence and truth and justice……..Let’s focus our energy on hero’s and people who truly inspire like Beth, Dave, Jug, Pieter & Patrick & Kees, SM- Red, Klaasend, Dana et all, etc…….……AND THE PERSISTENCE!
J4n!!! Justice for all!!!
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
Tues 05-Feb 0940 hrs
Over the past couple nights, the world tuned in along with the search team and watched the mottled confessions of Joran van der Sloot. The confessions filled the search team with resolve, renewing our assurance that if Natalee Holloway can be found in the ocean we will find her.
Let’s keep filling the team with resolve.
Please read about this the remarkable and heroic team of The Persistence. Please send them an email and a check. Just like Beth, Dave and Jug and their families and friends, Pieter & Patrick & Kees and their families and friends, [remember Patrick is a great man, a hero, a father of 2 children], SM, and all and all their families and friends, they too need our prayers and our support.
Some say: Revenge is a dish best served cold.
I say, I believe, I TRULY BELIEVE, as Nelson Mandela said and I will never ever forget what Mr. Mandela said when he made this speech in 1994:
“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and fabulous?
Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God.
Your playing small doesn’t serve the world.
There’s nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you.
We are all meant to shine, as children do.
We are born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.
It’s not just in some of us, it’s in everyone.
And as we let our own light shine,
we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear,
our presence automatically liberates others.”
Nelson Mandella
Inauguration Speech
1994
With Faith, Peace and Love,
Safe Travels – Let’s Keep Each Other Safe & Sound……
At some point we need to focus on what and who matters.
J4N!!!! Justice for All!!!!!
maybe karel has a guilty conscience
Carpe,
what ticks me off is all of you acting like its the worst thing that ever happened..I just pointed out some other slighty more important things..lets keep things in perspective.
btw. threats don’t do me much..it just shows the others (who makes the threat) class……
Karel,
You better stop posting here. This forum belongs to verbally very agressive people, who don’t listen to arguments. Nobody is reasonable. These people probably come from the southern US states, where agressiveness and racism still is widespread. Don’t waste your time posting here!
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SM: You just showed your complete and utter ignorance. You think racism only exists in Southern states … boy you are a walking stereo-type. You best check your own back yard before you make such comments.
Gee, Beth Holloway is from the South. Wasn’t it Beth who screamed the loudest when the two black security guards were arrested without cause? Who’s racist?
R
Great show Dana!
But one remark about Art Wood’s thoughts of this little piece of the transcript of the PRdeVries show on the SM-forum (part 6: where Joran is telling about the conversation between him and his helper at the beach). http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2576.0
“He said: this is not possible.
You have to go home.
I say: No.
I can’t ask you to take responsibility for this.
He said: You’re going home. I arrange the rest.
I went home then.”
I don’t agree with mr. Wood if he says it sounds like the ‘He’-person was Paulus saying that. If you LITERALLY translate the two crucial sentenses there in Dutch you come up with: You must to house go (Jij moet naar huis gaan.) & You go now to house. (Je gaat nu naar huis.)
If you change that into smooth English the two best options you have are: You have to go home. & You’re going home now. Or: You have to go to your house. & You go to your house now.
If you use the second option you suggest that the person who is saying that is a person who is NOT part of you family. So – because you don’t want to exclude that option – you pick the first option and use the translation with the word “home” in it. But that word carries – very, VERY slightly – the suggestion in it that you speak to a person familiar to you or even a person who is part of your family. But the way Joran says it in Dutch hasn’t got that connotation to it: it is 100% neutral. So it very strongly leaves open all options: it could be a taxi-driver, a jogger, papa-PvdSloot, mama-?vdSloot, Freddy, Deepak, etc, etc.
@A new girl
“Nothing could be further from the truth.”
Why? If you concentrate on finding out what happened to Natalee, the transcipt only points to the Kalpoe brothers. Joran incriminates them several times and there’s not a single sign of them indicating Joran knows as well. All they say is they hope too she will turn up.
This response is typical for people that know, like Joran put it, they done wrong but realize that the other person has no means of knowing for sure or being able to proof it.
Imagine the situation they all know what happened or only Joran knows. Would Joran’s first statement be the brothers took her home?
Would he risk two testemonies against him?
Now imagine they know more and all Joran knows is they were last ones with her. How would you play him to make it seem the other way round?
Could a single person do that trick to two others?
Karel – you’re an idiot! Joran is not smart enough to realize he was being set up. The whole tapes are available and if you want to put your money where you BIG mouth is….I’ll bet you, when 95% of the people NOW KNOW JORAN is involved in Natalee’s disapperance. There is no other reasonable and logical explanation. He screwed up royally. He continued time after time after time each time he got in that car to run his fat mouth.
All you do is talk in circles yet you can’t dispute the seizure slip and the fact that someone had told the keystone crooked cops of Aruba that Natalee went into some type of seizure, either Joran confessed or Paulus told Van de Stratten. Explain it? It’s not typical police protocol to ask if a missing person had a history of seizures.
I will publish my stranslation tonight. It will include explanation for every word or sentence that I think was not translated correctly by other people.
A person that translated over a hundred English books to Dutch is checking it rightnow.
Van Der Straaten needs to be brought in, he knows all.Joran wont do any hard time in prison, he is covering the coruption of the dirty cops and higher ups.Sex parties they all attend!
CHANGE OF VENUE FOLKS: it’s now the karel,charlie,jasper and dolf show including todays comedian, from the netherlands.they now outrank beavis and butthead in the ratings. tomorrow they will be learning how to make bread with none other than Martha Stewart !
From the Netherlands,
How convenient, throw the racism word, and then weasel off the board.
Look up the word weasel, see if you recognize the picture next to it.
If Joran is innocent, why would he not provide a clear, complete, and TRUE timeline? He never has done so.
Perhaps the Kalpoes have done so (at least their story has settled on a version that is coherent and consistant) but if they are innocent then they would be shouting from the rooftops and calling Joran out on his inconsistencies, which they have not.
Why don’t these creatures give a full account of the timeline, including such oddities like “Why we made up lies before we even knew she was missing”? Or “Why we decided to look up drug overdose on the computer at the wee hours of the morning”?
I think indeed Joran is smart enough to know the police car was wired. He rants off at Deepak about calling about the “jackpot” on the phone. I think it’s in the back of his mind that it might be wired and so he is setting up the Kalpoes.
The only thing the tape tells me is that the Kalpoes do not know exactly what happened to Natalee. I think they know that she was drugged, I think they know that “something bad happened” but it would appear they don’t know for absolutely sure that she is dead.
Joran is playing unsure. He knows and now he is threatening them (veiled) that if they rat out what they do know, he will pin it on them.
Very interesting part about Freddy. Could Freddy be Daury? Freddy knows something. Joran and Freddy are close. Freddy was suppose to be at Joran’s that night. Did Joran call him? There is a phone on Aruba that will show that call, might not be the one Joran pointed to, but there has to be a record.
As I’ve said before, the other possibility is that Joran left Natalee on the beach in the Mangroves, ran home, got someone and went back. This messes up the time line if Joran went back but there are other possibilities than the time line we’ve been given.
@SM
I probably shoudnt say this but would the Joran confession make more sense to you if it was not Patrick but Joran used as bait?;)
@ everyone who think that people with different views or opinions are trolls on this forum:
it seems that “justice for Natalee” is no longer the issue but rather “Joran must go to jail or worse”
should you really wish that this case would be solved and that justice would be served for Natalee, you would be listening to other theories and be open for the fact that it could be possible that someone other than Joran is responsible for the dissapearance of Natalee.
#123 Katalog… yes, I think Joran might have known that the ALE were taping him in the car…
But…
I don’t think Freddy was the one who helped Joran dispose of Natalee in the Ocean.
Freddy was the one that voluntarily came forth to back up the three’s alibi.
If he was involved with getting rid of Natalee he never would have wanted to expose himself as being involved in any shape or form of her dissappearance.
His smirky smile at first dissappeared when he was being looked at and I noted he lost his happy face!
I think that Joran did not leave Natalee in the mangrove… I think he was there with the other two rapists the Kalpoes, I think they put Natalee in the trunk of their car and drove by the Raquet Club area and parked and decided to call Paulus. Paulus said sit still don’t come by our house. I will come out to you with a plan to get rid of the body…
Why hasn’t Van Der Straaten been questioned by the prosecutor? We keep tieing him into this but he seems to be hidden out of the media.
Karel – nobody cares about your translation because your bias is skewed. Nobody cares you translated 100 books from Dutch to English and vice versa…I’m sure Peter DeVries has people more qualified to translate for him.
Get lost…..
“If Joran is innocent, why would he not provide a clear, complete, and TRUE timeline? He never has done so.
Perhaps the Kalpoes have done so (at least their story has settled on a version that is coherent and consistant) but if they are innocent then they would be shouting from the rooftops and calling Joran out on his inconsistencies, which they have not.”
This is a very clear observation.
It’s either they are all in it and play a weird game I fiend very hard to believe.
Or the brothers don’t call Joran out on his inconsistencies because it’s the only way to drag him into the lying game. Like the broters said “Lies won’t lead to the truth”.
The actions, testemonies and even the taped conversation of the brothers come across as very calculated. That alone should raise suspicion.
Another big why/what, is what has the ALE done with the evidence collected from the beginning.. Was it destroyed or is it locked away. It would be good to have an open investigation. We have people posting here that are obviously Joran/ALE/coverup friends. I cannot take them seriously, why didn’t they post in June and July 2005? Where do they get their information? Are they related to Joran? Are they competent? Or just like Joran,,,liars.
But then again, any inelligent person seriously working on this case realized this two years ago allready…
most murderers play games to see if they can be caught. and these criminals will be caught. i don’t think any of the police, pm’s , premiers in aruba or holland have the will power or knowledge to want to solve this case. corruption is the main word. if this case gets solved, aruba would be little more than a waste dump for holland. arresting baby sloot is just the beginning, we want the daddy who is the brain of this outfit. everyone knows and eventually it will go down. karel: you must be practicing your comedy at home to be so good here. do you also do magic tricks? most clowns do.
Another possibility:
They all go to the beach, Joran maybe has intercourse with Natalee.
The three leave, Natalee walks to hotel or sais she will do so.
Joran is dropped home.
The brothers drive back and accidently hit Natalee with the car.(Or they go back to rape her or whatever)
She dies or kets killed.
They put her in trunk and drive home.
Now they start calling with Joran telling him they hit her with car but she was ok and left by herself.
This makes Joran feel it’s no problem to state in his first conefession that the brothers brought her home. She was ok afterall so they shouldnt have a problem with that. He only twists the facts a little because he doesnt want problems with his girlfriend.
In he meanwhile the bro’s have all the time to think their strategy out, get rid of the body and clean the car from evidence. They conciously or not draw Jorans father into this by talking to him about the three of them being suspects in Natalee’s missing and people screaming rape and murder. Paul who thinks áll will turn out to be ok just asures them that if she’s missing this is plain stupid. “no body no crime”, thats normal talk for someone experienced in law.
From this point there is no way back for Joran. The brothers blackmail him with making incriminating statements on him and give him a nice preview by getting his father arrested.(how does that feel?, acting like its revenge for joran telling they dopped her off but at same time making Joran realize his extremely weak position)
Joran takes the bait, and is slowly drawn in to the lies upto the point of no return. He sees no real big harm in doing so cause he first believes the brothers and in the car they said they want her to be found too.
The brothers make Joran believe that he should be the one to have last been with Natalee cause there’s nothing to find with him and they have some damage on the car.(With us, with us, can they get evidence, but with you not)(again making a subtile threat pointing out he’s the one seen leaving with natalee. probably fingering story is lied by them to make link Joran Natalee stronger. That’s probably one of the lies joran acuses them of)
Joran still sees no harm in going along with this, if Natalee’s found all she will say is the Brothers hit her with the car and he just dont see the bro’s are really capable of what he was acusing them with to feel them out.(That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. And if they find the girl, then we shall see)
He only wants this to get this over with, get his dad out of prison asap and go along with his life.
Now there’s no way back for Joran and the brothers have the ulimate alibi. A proven lier that will never accuse them and can only harm himself.
Karel… what drugs are you on??????
Very good show Dana, keep up the good work.
Katablog, if the police have been behind the cover-up as much as is suspected, then it certainly seems possible that you are right:
Some of the cops, or whoever the go-between might have been, could have passed the word on to PvdScum that the car would be taped. He, of course, would let his son know.
But a question occurs: if he did know that the car were taped … why would he then be so forthcoming in the deVries tapes with Patrick?
Then again, I believe that he did lie about SOME aspects of what happened in those tapes. Most certainly, in my view, he lied about the extent of the Kalpoes’ involvement. (Of course, we’re going only on what has been released. In those bits, he said they were ‘innocent,’ but we don’t know if he means only the disposal of Natalee’s body, or the assault or intended assault on Natalee. I can’t believe the latter.)
I’m also skeptical about his assertion that it all happened on the beach. So far, has any clarification been made of WHERE on ‘the beach’ he claims that whatever happened, happened?
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Scaredmonkey’s is guilty.
Goodbeye.
Seems as if Karel said goodbye…but if you are still reading, Dear—perhaps you are not familiar with many of my previous posts where I stated I do believe that K2 are not innocent (especially Deepak). I think Satish was just a provider of transportation and did not participate in harming Natalee —however since he & his brother have continually lied throughout the investigation- they are guilty of the pain and stress their lies have caused…also impeding an investigation, perjuring themselves in written, sworn statements of their account. They are involved, to what degree we may never know for sure.
Posters #114 & # 115…Very ignorant. Whomever is on here claiming most of the SM posters are very aggressive bloggers….. from the South or racist…Please people GET ON THE CLUE BUS BEFORE IT RUNS YOUR ASS OVER. There! How is that for aggression on the keyboard tonight, folks? We are not aggressive—try the word “passionate” on for size. I find most of the bloggers on SM to be quite intelligent….nor are are most of us naive enough to believe that nothing horrible, corrupt or evil ever happens here in the States…get real!! There are many rotten things that happen in America every single day (just like anywhere else). We are not racist on here either—rather open-minded, well informed folks who simply would like to stick to the facts and each express our own views and opinions in different ways. Freedom of speech is in our First Amendment rights and it is something that I, for one, do not take for granted.
Most of us on the board are moved by such a loss and such a travesty of justice of an innocent American girl. Just because she was on a senior-graudation trip and went out with friends to have a few drinks at a bar on her last night on an exotic tropical island- does NOT mean she had to pay with her life. More enraging is the way this whole investigation has been handled and the way Joran VDS has caused so, so many so much pain and grief. We all simply demand one thing:
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
So, please- keep your ridiculous rants to yourself and name calling. Excuse us all for the many adjectives we have chosen to bestow on JVDS and his parents and others involved in this crime. If these persons had not handled themselves in such a despicable manner, perhaps we’d be visiting the Island of Aruba again instead of blogging negative thoughts here or otherwise getting involved & backing the cause in various ways….. Again, let’s keep it simple:
-J4N
Excuse me #115 EuroRob- comment not meant for you. Typo/Error-
It was for # 113 & 114- Dolf and Karel…..Seems as if Karel finally got frightened away though…lol
Strength is in numbers.
82 Tony…. I think the sneakers were rid of due to Natalee vomiting on them, vomit with date rape drug in it for forensic evidence…
I think she got sick in the car and threw up on the floor on Joran’s shoes while he was molesting her.
I think she could have hit her head trying to jump out of the car????
The night Natalee was murdered, the Kalpoes were cleaning their car in the early morning hours.
Makes sense they were cleaning up vomit from Natalee in the car. Forensic evidence with date rape in the vomit.
They were not cleaning it because of fingerprints. It was a known fact she was in their car others saw her and the Kalpoes knew this SO THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER REASON WHY THEY WERE CLEANING THEIR CAR AT THAT TIME IN THE MORNING!!
Does anyone realize that Joran’s name is pronounced Urine. It fits that scumbag
I hope they do to him in jail like he did to Natalie.
We are watching Aurba from the unites States.
screw this up it is goodbye to the Anerican tourist dollar
“Hid her in the mangroves….”
BS. Mangroves grow literally at the edge of the water. Even in the water.
The guy in the Aru-bay videos – fat guy with a mustache – is that Purcell?
Monster of Montanja the Younger of the Ditch – put pipe in muffler – then pipe to mouth!
@A New Girl
The brothers know more but that don’t mean they did anything wrong either.
Natalee was alive and well. No body will be found because they took it on a plane to the US or she’s still alive as we speak.
It’s proven now too that De Vries intentionally broadcasted known lies just to get the case even more stuck. That’s not because Aruba is corrupt, that’s because your FBI and many US citizens will be held responsible for obstructing justice.
Trust me, they will. The truth will come out.
I told you right away. This video can only serve one purpose when broadcasted before finding supporting proof.
It was intended to get the case stuck even more and it was a threat to stop digging deeper.
Former secret service agents, FBI-consultants…
When our Dutch convicted drugmob protector came in we all knew this was a major coverup operation.
No body no crime indeed.
So I ask you one last time. Where are Natalee’
s friends?
Do they silence themselves or are they silenced?
I call my first witness:
Karin Janssen
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