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The following item found its way to my e-mail box today. A brief Google search took me to the source of the message, a posting by “gruffcw3″ on a web site called VAJOE.COM. With Red feeling under the weather today and taking a much needed break from the usual commentary, I thought I’d post this message for the Monkey faithful to discuss. – Dugga
Bet you didn’t know the following! I surely did not.
These are some rather eye-opening facts: Since the start of the war on terror in Iraq and Afganistan, the sacrifice has been enormous. In the time period from the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 through now, we have lost over 3000 military personnel to enemy action and accidents. As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider the following statistics:
The annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:
1980 ......... 2,392
1981 ......... 2,380
1984 ......... 1,999
1988 ......... 1,819
1989 ......... 1,636
1990 ......... 1,508
1991 ......... 1,787
1992 ......... 1,293 ----------
1993 ......... 1,213
1994 ......... 1,075
1995 ......... 2,465 8 Clinton years: 13,417 deaths
1996 ......... 2,318
1997 ......... 817
1998 ......... 2,252
1999 ......... 1,984 ----------
2000 ......... 1,983
2001 ......... 890
2002 ......... 1,007 7 BUSH years @ 9,016 deaths
2003 ......... 1,410
2004 ......... 1,887
2005 ......... 919
2006.......... 920 ----------
If you are confused when you look at these figures…so was I.Do these figures mean that the loss from the two latest conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Mr. Clinton ‘s presidency; when America wasn’t even involved in a war? And, I was even more confused; when I read that in 1980, during the reign of President (Nobel Peace Prize) Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392 US military fatalities!
These figures indicate that many of our Media & Politicians will pick and choose. They present only those ‘facts’ which support their agenda-driven reporting. Why do so many of them march in lock-step to twist the truth. Where do so many of them get their marching-orders for their agenda?
Our Mainstream Print and TV media, and many Politicians like to slant; that these brave men and women,who are losing their lives in Iraq, are mostly minorities! Wrong AGAIN— just one more media lie! The latest census, of Americans, shows the following distribution of American citizens, by Race:
European descent (White).... 69.12%
Hispanic ................... 12.50%
Black....................... 12.30%
Asian ....................... 3.70%
Native American ............. 1.00%
Other ....................... 2.60%
Now… here are the fatalities by Race; over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom:
European descent (white) .... 74.31%
Hispanic .................... 10.74%
Black ........................ 9.67%
Asian ........................ 1.81%
Native American .............. 1.09%
Other ........................ 0.33%
These statistics are published by Congressional Research Service, and they may be confirmed by anyone at:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf (Please look at this report site if you have the chance.)Now ask yourself these two questions:
1. ‘Why does the mainstream Print and TV Media never provide statistics like these?’
2. ‘Why do the mainstream media hate the web as much as they do?’You do the Math! These figures don’t lie… but, Media-liars figure…and they sway public opinion!
UPDATE: More discussion of this controversial message is going on here as well.
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I posted a comment, but I had to add zero and zero. According to this, my answer (zero) was not correct. Guess I’m pretty bad at math ….
Anyway, if only the American people could get together and let companies know that their money spent on TV ads (which is how the networks keep going) is wasted.
Even better, let’s reform the tax laws so that advertising is NOT a deductible business expense … at least, perhaps, not above a certain limit.
Then the TV networks would be gone. Period.
(Bias disclosure: I don’t have a TV.)
Why don’t you post the correct numbers on this? You have the nubmers all wrong! Check out page 11 on http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
There…you will find the rigt ones.
In looking thru the PDF file, I did see that the numbers were slightly different than the ones on the front page copied from the original poster in the vajoe.com site. Key word is *slightly*. In some cases, the number of deaths per year went down from the numbers shown on the front page here.
Below are the numbers from the PDF document:
1980 2,392
1981 2,380
1982 2,319
1983 2,465
1984 1,999
1985 2,252
1986 1,984
1987 1,983
1988 1,819
1989 1,636
1990 1,507
1991 1,787
1992 1,293
1993 1,213
1994 1,075
1995 1,040
1996 974
1997 817
1998 827
1999 796
2000 758
2001 891
2002 999
2003 1,228
2004 1,874
2005 1,942
2006 1,858
You’ll see only slight variations.
The point of posting this article wasn’t to put cold hard numbers on the lives of these brave men and women. It was to drive home the point that mainstream media too often pushes their own agendas by making and reporting the news that is tainted, or in many cases, flat out untrue.
Slight Variations? Come on! I agree that mainstream media pushes their own agendas, but to me as I looked at the front page it would appear that one might be trying to say that under Clinton’s 8 years that there were more military deaths than under Bush’s terms. One death is too many in my book, and I don’t like that fact that even these numbers were not even reported right in the first place.
#4 – I agree with you.
And Clinton didn’t take office till ’93 (not ’92.)
Clintons 8 yrs (’93-2000) = 7500
Bush 6yrs (2001 – 2006) = 8792
Hardly slight – not only does it do a 180 from “more clinton than bush”, it’s 17% more for bush than clinton
Add in 2007 & a conservative guess at 2008 and you’ve got close to 35% more military deaths under Bush than Clinton.
Personally, I’m all for disseminating the truth, whether or not I like what it implies.
I’d be no better than the mainstream media that the original post criticizes if I didn’t look deeper into the question, right?
http://www.vajoe.com/board/viewtopic.php?pid=75151#p75151
Regardless of what the numbers turn up, I still assert that mainstream media spoon-feeds us what they want us to believe. This is why sites like ScaredMonkeys.Com remain so important. It’s like Red always says, “Even if we don’t get a story FIRST, we get it RIGHT!”
UPDATE: More discussion of this controversial message is going on here as well: http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59061
For the last forty years I have been of the opinion that most of the editors of our newspapers were trained in Moscow. Same for TV.
You should note that our military has been downsized by 40 percent in the years 1993-2000.
“Regardless of what the numbers turn up, I still assert that mainstream media spoon-feeds us what they want us to believe.”
No question about that. None. But…are they feeding us what we want(dumbing down)? Imo, yes. We have, in a sense, become a “tabloid” society. 20 US soldiers die in Iraq – not a great story. Lindsy gets a DUI in Malibu – headline news.
trying to save face for bush by saying that fewer soldiers killed is really kind of what you are acccusing the media of! it’s turned into republican vs democrat here with republican being the controlling force on this site.
so if a democrat wins the presidency and stops the war you guys will be angry ?
i think you will find a majority of Americans very happy whether republican or democrat.
Ray:
I don’t know if most of them were trained in Moscow, but the New York Times journalists were trained there for sure.
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Does anyone know how many members did the US Armed Forces have during the pre-WWII era and how many does it have now, 80 years later, with a much larger population, a greater thread in our own backyard and much more to defend? Just curious…
You obviously like bashing the Clintons
Politics aside…the bigger question in this day and age….with the onsite medical teams…is…how many are living injured?? The death rate may be down, but the disability numbers have skyrocketed.
most of the deaths in previous presidents era’s on this list were due to accidents, nothing that the commander and chief is responsible for.
The deaths of most men under Bush’s presidency were victims of combat. And that is all down to the choices mr. Bush and his Neo-con buddies made (and thus his burden and responsibility).
I can see that the writers of this site are no fans of Hillary or any Democrat for that matter. I’ve went back to page 9, and I did not see one listing that said anything negative, or any making fun of any Republicans, which is fine by me. But don’t talk about the media feeding us all this bogus information when this site is totally one sided when it comes to the up and coming election. I started to visit this site when the story about N.Holloway first came out. I found that this site was very up to date, had very good information and it kept bringing me back daily to see what would happen to Vanderscum and his sidekick buddies. I think it does a great job at stories such as this, missing persons, etc. But please…please keep your agendas / personal feelings about politics off of this site.
Stick with what you’re good at.
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Sl-Gloria
The WOrld Almmanac and Book of FACTS
1940 US ARMY 267,767
1945 8,266,373
1990 746,22o
2000 471,663
2007 510,024
This is for army only.
don’t forget a vital statistic: american soldier suicides at an all time record high for iraq & afghanistan under the bush regime.
These numbers are useless without the # of personnel column.
Year Deaths # Serving Deaths per 100,000
1980 2,392 2,159,630 111
1981 2,380 2,206,751 108
1982 2,319 2,251,067 103
1983 2,465 2,273,364 108
1984 1,999 2,297,922 87
1985 2,252 2,323,185 97
1986 1,984 2,359,855 84
1987 1,983 2,352,697 84
1988 1,819 2,309,495 79
1989 1,636 2,303,384 71
1990 1,507 2,258,324 67
1991 1,787 2,198,189 81
1992 1,293 1,953,337 66
1993 1,213 1,849,537 66
1994 1,075 1,746,482 62
1995 1,040 1,661,928 63
1996 974 1,613,310 60
1997 817 1,578,382 52
1998 827 1,538,570 54
1999 796 1,525,942 52
2000 758 1,530,430 50
2001 891 1,552,196 57
2002 999 1,627,142 61
2003 1,228 1,762,632 70
2004 1,874 1,711,916 109
2005 1,942 1,664,014 117
2006 1,858 1,664,014 112
Why would you post a diagram that doesn’t include the same data from the reference link?
13,417 v. 7,500 = FAIL!!!
You have some nerve calling the media our for their bias and attempting to bash Clinton when you obviously are attempting to use these stats for your own agenda.
Deaths by Hostile Action (Clinton) = 1
Deaths by Hostile Action (Bush) = 2,596 (not including 2007 and 2008)
Yawn… Wake me up when you find something of real significance.
Does this take into account the mercenaries and non militairy personel?
the Bush admin does a lot of “book cooking” esp. with the war on Iraq