RSSSuspect Joran Van der Sloot Regrets No Trial in Natalee Holloway Case
Cowards usually make bold comments when they know they have gamed the system.
Joran Van der Sloot … don’t ask for things they might just come true. Also, do not make claims that you are unwilling to fulfill. The former suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance in Aruba, Joran Van der Sloot, claims that he regrets that he was not formally prosecuted for any crime. Joran, what crime is it that you feel that you would like to be prosecuted for? Maybe you would like to finally come clean and admit to one.
One would also ask the following question. If you are so anxious and have regrets that there was no trial and you were not formally prosecuted for any crimes, why did you dodge prosecution in the United States? Put up or shut up coward! If you want to be prosecuted so badly, I am sure there is an American court that would do so if you and your attorneys had not fought jurisdiction.
“I would have liked to have seen a trial so that everything could be out in the open,” van der Sloot told newspaper DAG in his first public remarks since being released on Dec. 7. The newspaper published excerpts from the interview Sunday. DAG spokesman Bob Witman said the interview was conducted via e-mail with van der Sloot in Aruba, where he is currently staying.
All three suspects denied any involvement in Holloway’s disappearance.
Van der Sloot denied there was any new evidence to prompt his arrest again last month, as prosecutors had asserted.
“There was no new evidence at all,” he told the paper. “Dutch detectives tried to get me to talk for 15 days. They told me that Natalee was dead.”
Prosecutors say their new evidence was a statement by one of the suspects during a tapped Internet chat in which he said Holloway was dead. But defense lawyers denied that.
Posted January 2, 2008 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Corruption, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway | 453 comments |
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This poor excuse for a human being is pathetic…Its disgusting for this pig to be interviewed like anyone can believe anything he says…Hes a LIAR and will always be a LIAR. He will get his, believe you me…
COWARD COWARD COWARD
Do you regret what you did to Natalee, Joran?
Are you sorry?
Take that smirk off your face, you arrogant moron.
ARUBA: A deep water search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway is nearing its final stages. Since December 15th, an oil exploration crew from south Louisiana has used sonar equipment to scour Aruba’s ocean floor looking for Natalee. Once that’s done, the crew will concentrate on watching all that video, and then deciding whether human divers should go down and re-inspect any of the objects.
At night – when Aruba’s waters are calmer, the crew of “The Persistence” drags sonar lines behind the boat, mapping out what’s on the ocean floor. it’s been tough going- especially when old fishing gear gets tangled in the sonar lines. Another challenge- Aruba’s strong ocean currents. The currents kept pulling the robots off course until the crew gained more control over the robots by weighting them down.
Crew member Kyle Kingman is keeping an online blog. He writes: “The stress is intense… inside we all hope and pray tomorrow goes perfectly.”
Since Sunday December 29th, robots called “ROV’s” are diving down during daylight hours and shooting video of the objects detected by sonar equipment.
In Tuesday’s latest blog entry, Kingman writes:
“The seabed appears lifeless and void. As the ROV touches down onto the deep seafloor…a cloud erupts. As the silt settles in the darkness…the ROV is in total solitude, stillness and cold…It is a relief to have it back on board “The Persistence” in relative safety.”
The crew of “The Persistence” realizes there’s no room for error. Aruba’s sea floor is full of wrecked ships and other unsolved mysteries. The crew is still confident they’ll succeed. Kingman writes:
“The…sonar data reveals the seabed as if it were a scroll…The numerous ROV dives are the rosetta stone for reading the great manuscript.”
“The Persistence” is searching a stretch of the ocean floor about the size of Manhattan. They’re working on the last section of that area now. The crew of “The Persistence” hopes to solve the mystery of Natalee’s disappearnace in the next few days.
Courtesy Jennifer Hale/NBC13/Klaasend
You want everything out in the open, Joran?
Do tell, and I mean the truth if you can manage it for two minutes.
Go and tell Beth and Dave Holloway where you took their daughter Natalee, what you did to her, and where you hid
her body.
Let’s hear it, Joran. You sickening coward.
So why isn’t there a trial…
Jan van der Straaten, I have seen the evidence and you have not….You can go to a mental institution or prison….How can I do this to my best friends son?
Gerald Dompig…These 3 boys are guilty as hell
Joran van de Sloot…I know what happened
Satish Kalpoe…Something bad happened
Deepak Kalpoe…Your own father
JFN
Thanks for the update. Let’s keep our prayers going for the crew of the Persistence.
Joran knew that if he went to to trial (because of the cover up) he’d get off and I do believe Aruba has a dbl jeopardy law. Coward is right. If he is innocent what difference does it make when the case is brought to trial?
Coward is the correct term…
I was wondering if Paulus brought Anita a new camera this Christmas?
If Straaten has seen the evidence, then he is a witness to Natalee’s body.
Yep, exactly.
Joran knows that Papa has taken care of everything for his little sporter. There is no evidence because Law Enforcement, Justice, and the Judiciary in Aruba MADE SURE there was no evidence.
Still waiting for the Aruba shills to answer the one simple question — As we Americans do not understand Dutch Law (Aruban Style), what is the definition of Conflict of Interest in Aruban Law??? I know that this question will never be answered as it goes right to the heart of why Joran would like a trial.
Aruba is a cesspool for drug dealers, mobsters, and hookers. Stay away from Aruba or you may lose your life.
MD
Happy New Year to the Natalee murdering, gang-raping
Vandersloots & Kalpoes of Aruba! I truly hope this
is the year that someone grinds the truth out of you
raping, murdering, serial lying pieces of human
toxic garbage. The truth you’ve been purposely
keeping from Natalee Ann’s family for 2.5 years now.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and aome disgruntled person
will pop off a few hot lead rounds
right up your a$$hos? Heyyy,
there’s always hope!
Anita, if you wanna try something
different this year…
try wearing something THAT ACTUALLY MATCHES.
(it can be done, I swear!)
…
That is all! Carry on you
seial lying, justice obstructing,
raping, murdering, Aruban maggots.
-j4n
http://tinyurl.com/ypo8ob
aruba gave jvds a l6 day stay in solitary in order to encourage him to tell the truth about natalee. they were all ears waiting to hear from jvds and his lawyer, the great taco, who boldly pronounced to anyone who would listen that he had evidence that would prove his client’s innocence. jvds invoked his right to silence when he was arrested, taco was silent except to news organizations who clamored for more information also, but got no details. if taco had evidence that proved jvds innocent, and jvds wanted his chance to prove himself innocent, why didn’t he do it when he had the chance, instead of silently sitting in solitary for l6 days?
dennisintn
10- Hey Dennis- Its because TacoJoe is a LIAR…He had no client in LIERUBA….he was just a loud mouth talking head…blowing steam out of his rearend…and as far as freakenstein,…w all know he is a LIAR.
He wanted a trial because he knows that any evidence at that trial would be skimpy. He’d later be found not guilty due to insufficient evidence, and would not be tried again. Even if new and compelling evidence were found. He would be free. That’s why he wanted a trial NOW.
Without a trial however, Aruba’s Favorite Rapists will have to eternally wonder when their number will be up.
In words that remain soooo true ” REVENGE is a dish best served cold “.
The end has not been written yet .
Bless Natalee’s soul .
Exactly, Nurturer – The only reason Urine van der Slut wanted the case to be taken to trial was/is, if the real truth ever came out after he was found not guilty in court (the first time), he couldn’t be tried again for the same crime(s). It would have been DOUBLE JEOPARDY!!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
The reason why he wanted a trial is that he hopes he can ‘prove’ he is innocent. He must be very confident about his innocence or he’s just bluffing.
I think it’s clear that Joran vd Scum is psychotically reveling in his publicity.
A total absolute nothing has achieved worldwide prominence by his ability to defy justice. Like someone with a sore tooth, who can’t resist the temptation to keep touching it to see if it still hurts (and it does), he keeps tweaking the media.
The other thing he said on his release that I found of great interest was his assertion that he never revealed anything while under detention.
Pray tell, Joran, to whom was this message addressed? Your daddy and the Kalpoes were right on the island … you could tell them in person.
Or were you sending a signal to someone who has left Aruba? Were you anxious that someone might think you were dispensable, and perhaps were worth getting out of the way?
That’s my suspicion.
The article that JusticeforNatalee kindly posted said that the water search is nearing its final stages. I continue to hope that it will succeed … if Natalee’s body is in the waters … but I don’t think that’s the case.
In any event, God bless the heroes of the Persistence, including all those who are taking part, who have donated time, money, or materials, or are simply cheering them on.
We will never forget that Aruba and the Dutch have done NOTHING in this regard.
Joran knows that, due to the ten-day disgrace done by ALE,
the forensic evidence would be lacking.
Hey, ALE, quit playing stupid. We know you can’t REALLY be that dumb. Trying to sweep Natalee’s case under the carpet?
Well, you’ve been caught!
If forensic evidence is so important in Aruban/Dutch law,
then WHY WASN’T IT COLLECTED IN A TIMELY MANNER?
DeVries blames Judge Wit for blocking the search at the VDS property and Wit blames the prosecutors for not asking.
Hmmmmmm someone is lying. I know for one thing:
It’s NOT de Vries.
New video link posted by Observer:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U1pZxfmJFCY
#l5, all jvds had to do was use taco’s evidence and answer all klpd’s question, and if he was actually innocent, as he says he is, then klpd would be able to dismiss him as a suspect and leave him alone. he didn’t do that because he couldn’t do that. jvds and taco are both lying.
dennisintn
Everyone, take note of the last sentence in that article kindly posted by JusticeforNatalee (#3):
“The crew of “The Persistence” hopes to solve the mystery of Natalee’s disappearnace in the next few days.”
If her body is indeed in the waters, let us hope that their hopes come to pass. I, for one, am hoping that a lot of scum on Aruba are having very poor sleep these days ….
One wonders what sorts of contingency plans are being made in the Aruban government (if that means anything at all)….
I’m sure the little SOB does regret not being drug into court. It could have been to his advantage…
15 fl;
“The reason why he wanted a trial is that he hopes he can ‘prove’ he is innocent. He must be very confident about his innocence or he’s just bluffing”.
He’s bluffing. Remember he said in his book that he was getting good at poker because he was learning to read the other players eyes.
Check out his eyes in all his intervies. When asked questions he can’t focus his eyes on the interviewer. Not only that; him tossing his head is an indication that he is lying but I want you to believe me anyway.
He and his father are such a lying crock of manure. So is half of Aruba. The other half don’t know any better.
Meanwhile, anyone interested might like to read this article from the Bangkok Post. It discusses a new U.S. State Department report on human trafficking, and makes the pointed observation that human trafficking and drug trafficking are often carried out in tandem, by the same people.
Not, of course, that this could happen on Aruba.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/02Jan2008_news009.php
#21 – Richard, I am with you. I have thought many times that Paulus probably hasn’t slept in weeks. I also remember when he shook Dave’s hand and said he would do anything to protect his kid. So many more sleepless nights to you, daddy Paulus, protector of your little liar.
Does anyone else just hate it when they hear that Joran has said Natalee’s name out loud? He isn’t good enough to speak her name. He didn’t know her.
Come ON JORAN! Everyone knows how much you love the sound of your own voice. You couldn’t go five minutes without yapping, much less 15 days!
The trouble with leaks JORAN, is they leak both ways. Word is………You did talk.
Over the weekend I saw a special investigative show called “20 Most Shocking Unsolved Crimes” on the E! network. More shocking than the Black Dahlia, Jimmy Hoffa, and many other noted crimes in US history, they chose to put Natalee as number one. It was nice to see that other people are still noticing and still keeping her case out there. They had interviews with Beth & Dave and spoke about the run around the family has received since day one. They even had an “update” at the end stating how shocking it is that the suspects were rearrested and let go yet again. I hope that it brought more attention to the case and helped to remind people that she is still missing.
BTW, notice that Joran says of his interrogators:
“They told me that Natalee was dead.”
What is he saying here? Is he trying to imply that he wouldn’t know? Or is there some secret joke … that he knows that they are wrong?
We’ll see….
Well, at least Hans didn’t take it to trial, he knew what the results would bring. Why don’t they investigate Straaten, he’s said a mouthful? And admits to seeing the evidence. I don’t understand why that has never been pursued.
Joran wishes he had a trial?
Joran is nothing more than a liar, and with his own words, a confessed murderer who not only knew Natalee was killed, but who also knew the location of her body as when he “led police” to the “location”, which was quickly snuffed out by the governments own conspirators in this depravity and savagery inflicted upon an American child and her beautiful family.
Really, is the truth that difficult to see?
If Joran wanted the Truth to come out, why did he begin May 31 at 3 AM in the morning with a contempt for justice that has only deepened and continued to this day?
Joran is not interested in anything but that which his sociopathic mind can allow to enter.
He’s a coward, a monster, a devil who is consumed with himself as are all his co-conspirators.
Real heroes are out upon the ocean, in a boat called “Persistence”, searching for a child who never even got a shot at a police investigation – such is the disgrace and depravity of Aruban law enforcement. Imagine the savagery and lack of conscience it took for those involved to collude in crushing a child’s voice.
“This is by no means over”, Joran as you warned in your response to NBC, via your “letter”, after they taped you in your jail cell which your thugs then fought to keep from the public’s eye.
What did you say on your taped interview, while you were behind bars where you belong, Joran?
Great points all of you monkeys!!!
Be outraged, because these thugs were handed something sacred that belonged to NATALEE HOLLOWAY: her LIFE, her FREEDOM, her VOICE – which, they savagely erased, afterwhich – they, the murdering annihilators of human life, then summoned the name of Hitler to their salacious, depraved tongues.
Bravo to E network and Jennifer Hale/NBC13!!!
Keep up the ethics and passion for REAL journalism.
Our Freedom and democracy depends on it!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
AN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC VIDEO BY OBSERVER!!!
JusticeforNatalee on January 2nd, 2008 2:05 pm
New video link posted by Observer:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U1pZxfmJFCY
Thanks, J4N !
Justice for Natalee!!!
This woman could have been Jorans night mare…..
Kumari Fulbright
29. Brie. I agree on Hans Mos. He saw how the Aruban system works with regard to JVDS and PVDS. He was smart not to go to trial only to have a judge throw out whatever they have. Smart not to go to trial without the evidence that was already destroyed by the Van der Sloots and their friends in the legal system in Aruba.
I also agree that Joran is a coward and the heroes are Tim Miller and the crew of the Persistance. JVDS: “A real man wouldn’t do that.” You’re so right; a real man would not behave the way you and your father have. The real men are out on the Persistance. Real men are like Jossy Mansur who look for the truth. Real men are like Dave Holloway, Tim Miller, Viet Vet, Red and many others who looked for a missing teenager who was coming in and out of consciousness when last seen with JVDS.
Justice will come. Perhaps not in the way we had all hoped, but in God’s way and God’s time.
The only Jurine regrets is that Beth & Jug were on his a$$ within 12 hours of Natalee going missing.
Happy New Year Jurine…..another year of this case hanging over your Frankenstein head, another year for all you Sloot’s to want to get away from what you’ve done and knowing we’re never gonna let happen chump.
Here is a description of sociopathic characteristics and behavior patterns. Many fit what we know about JVDS. I’m no psychiatrist, but I’ve followed this case and I can read this article.
http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html
#28, richard, if nothing else he’s admitting that a.l.e. and klpd and the prosecutors office believe she’s dead, and that puts renfro and that curacao broad’s lies about air ambulances taking her away, and living her living in s.a. with bf’s and all that other garbage they spew to rest once and for all.
dennisintn
Good point, Dennis Intl … Aruba can’t keep track of its own lies.
But I’m not writing off the possibility that she is living in South America … not, however, of her own accord. Not at all.
No Joran, I believe it was one you 3 who said Natalee is dead, no interrogators.
In the chat, Mos told CNN’s Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, “The fact that she’s dead is not good,” referring to Holloway.
Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.
Dennis, I totally agree, what kind of defense attorney allows their client to remain a suspect for over a year, if they have proof they are innocent and didn’t do anything? Why would he not present it in court to a judge? They are FOS! That is like all of them saying they want the truth to come out and then going out and telling all kinds lies to contradict each other and themselves for over 2 years and paid liars out even telling lies about Natalee’s family. Evidently they don’t want the truth to come out or they would tell the truth. Better question is who is paying all of them. Don’t see any of them doing pro bono for poor John or Jane Doe in Iowa with no media attention. Every time they open their mouths they all contradict themselves even the paid liars and lawyers. Lawyers were making nasty comments about Mos in Aruba and then went to complain that the prosecution wasn’t on the ship in case they found something and people on the ship might plant something.
Not only is the behaviour of the 3 very suspicious on the night Natalee disappeared, but the next day and night also. Paulus cant remember if Joran went to school one time and the next he can, yet he can remember in graphic detail of what Joran said happened that night. Conflicts of whether Joran played tennis, Paulus taking his shoes and bag to him after Joran says he already played and put his shoes and bag behind the counter. Suspects meeting at the club and taking walks to talk. Paulus looking up drugs, alcohol and the effects on young people, and lawyers, Paulus giving Joran permission to go to the Wyndham to gamble and drink underage in his police statement, yet claims on Nova that Joran again sneaked out, Deepaks says he was working, then went to the casino, yet his car was spotted at the Van Der Sloots and the license tag wrote down. When they arrived it was gone, Paulus claims to have been asleep, comes to the door carrying his cellphone and needs it to call Joran, Paulus leading them on a wild goose chase away from the house for over an hour to look for Joran, when all he had to do was call him and say get your butt home, the cops are here to talk to you, Why would you send the cops out to where your underage son was drinking and gambling underage at 3 am, unless you already knew he wasn’t there. Oh yeah he heard it wrong I forgot, he really said he was walking to Deepak’s car. Beth said guards told her, that he never was at that casino that night. Joran and Deepak saying they made up that list of lies six miles long on the way home (yeah right) When they did arrive, Natalee’s family said, they were all dirty and sweaty and not even dressed for a casino. First thing Joran says is I don’t know Natalee or her name, after saying he made the lies about her on the way home. He then goes on to help implicate 2 men for murder and kidnapping, gives graphic sexual details of stuff he did to Natalee and says she was waking up off and on, says she fell and hit her head, shoved him backwards when he tried to help her at the Holiday Inn. They all go to the Holiday Inn and neither can point out the guards who got her, in fact they don’t even wear that color of clothing there, they give different accounts of where they drove and let her out at. Yet, cops didn’t get suspicious? Not once did Paulus ever mention the other 2 boys being home alone and noone there like he tried to do the night before when he went to the casino and had to get home, because he didn’t like the 2 boys home alone. They go back to the house afterwards , Paulus and Joran and Deepak are in Joran’s room talking while they are sitting on the floor, Deepak says he then went home and went to bed, chatted then went to work, however Beth is at the police station and Deepak’s car is parked out back. She never seen any of the suspects, went in to talk to Jacobs and he says sorry I need my coffee, frosted flakes and a shave and tells them to wait, which they do for hours and hours, Beth goes outside and sits on the ground in the parking lot and Straten(Joran and Paulus’s friend) comes out and tells her she can’t do that, then she waits more inside and Jacobs comes out and says,, we won’t be needing your statement today. What’s with asking Deepak and Satish about the fisherman’s huts in their first questioning by police, in their police statements? Joran says he didn’t tell that story until after they were arrested.
As for not locating Natalee in the water, it’s been 2 and a half years.. Depends on how far Natalee was taken out and with what she was weighted down with, Could’ve easily washed away. Scott Javins who went missing almost 5 years ago, Wabash River in Terre Haute was searched and no sign of him or his car, a few months ago his car was found in the Wabash River, with his skeletal remains in it. FairBanks Park, Terre Haute.
Minn.. Dad, I am still waiting for them to explain the conflicts of interest thing too. I seen Scotland Yard is going to investigate the death of Bhuto in Pakistan, they must really want the truth to come out, if they allow outside people with no conflicts of interest to investigate this early on.
If this wouldn’t let everyone know Renfro is FOS, I don’t know what would.
That night, when Van Susteren asked about Joran, Renfro described the teenager as an excellent student with a good reputation and “an idol for the younger kids” at school
I have always believed that JVDS has 2 pervasive personality disorders.
1. APD – Antisocial Personality Disorder, (formerly Sociopathic Personality Disorder)
AND
2. Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
This is some very INTERESTING stuff below, that gives some insight into what makes JVDS the person he is today and also what makes him tick.
By my calculations, not only does he have NPD, he has SEVERE NPD and it was probably caused by Paulus!
Here is some info. on possible contributing factors to NPD and also characteristics:
“Causes” (Should be contributing factors)
The etiology of this disorder is unknown, but, according to Groopman and Cooper[3], factors identified by researchers as possibly contributing to this disorder include:
1. An oversensitive temperament at birth
2. Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents
3. Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem
4. Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
5. Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
6. Severe emotional abuse in childhood
7. Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults
8. Learning manipulative behaviors from parents
SIMPLY AMAZING that parenting is the primary contributing factor to causing a child to be a narcissist.
Diagnostic criteria
At least five of the following are necessary for a diagnosis (as with many DSM diagnoses, they must form a pervasive pattern; for example, a person who shows these criteria only in one or two relationships or situations would not properly be diagnosed with NPD):
1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by other special people
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Strong sense of entitlement
6. Takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. Lacks empathy
8. Is often envious or believes others are envious of him or her
9. Arrogant behavior
I had a post with all of this spelled out as it pertains to JVDS, but I forgot to answer the 1 plus 1, question and the post was lost.
It’s pretty clear JVDS fits the pattern of NPD.
Has there ever been anyone so twisted??? It’s just another slap in Natalee’s family’s face for Urine to say that he wishes the truth could have come out in a trial. Jerk is too nice of a word for him.
Richard #28- I also think that Urine was sending a message to someone, or trying to separate himself further from the crime, by saying that the interrogators TOLD him that Natalee was dead. Urine KNOWS what happened to Natalee.
Boycott Aruba until it shrivels up.
molly in houston
Please clarify my notes. I have conflicting ones concerning Joran’s brothers. At one point I have his brothers in the Netherlands with Anita.
Other notes say Anita went there by herself.
If the brothers were home, that may eleminate the Van der Sloots house. If they were not then that opens the door. Joran said he wanted to take Natalee to his house. Why would he say that if his brothers were home. Clearly I would not bring a drugged female to my home with other witnesses. I don’t care who they are. The best keep secret between three people is when two are dead. But then again if they were left behind on Aruba perhaps they were somewhere else that their father had some one baby sitting with them.
Nice job, Maggie. You are an incredible bearer of Natalee’s truth!
Keep writing, Maggie. I agree with you.
Joran doesn’t know what a real man is because he’s never had a real man as a role model in his life. He wouldn’t be able to understand what motivates a man to put his life on hold to step out upon the ocean, in search of a beautiful child, brutally victimized by savages.
Joran wouldn’t be able to understand what moves a man’s heart to put himself at risk, because his heart is so moved to compassion for another mother’s child so savagely taken and tormented.
Joran wouldn’t be able to comprehend what it feels like to withdraw from your loved ones – to put another person’s loved one first and foremost in your life. He cannot conceive of such charity, nor compassion. He cannot comprehend love! His heart is filled with the evil he inflicts upon innocent children, who have loving mothers and families they want to go home to.
He’s never had a man in his life model for him what respect, courage, fortitude, simple human decency is all about. He has no relationship with society, because he is not connected to anyone or anything. He is dead and seeks to destroy the precious life around him, by victimizing innocent, defenseless little girls like Natalee, taking their innocence, and all their hopes and dreams from them, believing he can somehow find power and strength by stealing the power of LIFE from a child, through his cowardly, evil acts. He’s never had anyone model for him what it looks like to be human.
That is why he was profiled as a sociopath.
All Joran van der Sloot knows is sociopathic, evil conduct that targets innocent young girls, and brutally victimizes them, where his arrogance is so insidious and dangerous – that he could even confess to “killing Natalee Holloway” and then lead police to the “location of the body”, – which, in itself is suggestive of several key issues, yet have the arrogance to smirk his face to the FBI and claim he “wishes he could have faced a trial”, knowing that he will face absolutely no consequence whatsoever for this hideous conduct because of the savages who aided him in this travesty of justice. He is a cold-blooded predator and a serious danger to young people as indicative already by one police official who openly stated that he was not surprised to see Joran in jail because of his “hot temper”.
Joran is a ticking time bomb; and our children must be protected from his savagery,and that of his father, or we must face the chilling consequence that we will have become their evil accomplices if we do nothing to protect our children – from what we now know, that was brutally inflicted upon Natalee and her family.
“No man can terrorize an entire nation, unless we are all his accomplices.”
(Edward R. Murrow)
Natalee Holloway is entitled to a just investigation, she is entitled to justice, to having her truth spoken, and her innocent voice finally heard, and her God given right to freedom protected. Aruba violated this precious child in every possible conceivable way it could.
It is simply un-American to stand by and allow our children to be so savagely and brutally victimized, while the scoundrels who violated them walk away freely, because they were aided by the unconscionable who lack moral integrity, a conscience, and any sense of honor.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.
Sounds like the crew of The Persistance have recorded ALOT of points of interest to investigate!~
(keeping faith)
Geez, I know the other SM blog was talking about the “raid” at CnC’s……Polis looking for guns.(Blush…) I think someone at Keystone Cop Headquarters may finally have gotten clued-in about that vicious rumor making the rounds. A rather rewarding bounty for a ‘southern style’ hit on the Unholy Trinity. If it’s true, I tip my hat to those good ‘ole boys, they have a special style to avenge a ladies honor. City boys are way too impatient and would just do it quick. Ah, but who believes in silly rumors and tooth fairies anyway? Only good things happen on Aruba….that little Happy Island.
I believe Frankenstein will get his wish one day. The only problem it is going to have is that they will be judge, jury and executioner. Frankly, I can’t wait for that to happen.
Let him talk…
Maybe he’ll tell us about June 8th,
when he wanted to die…
Spent all night on Suicide Watch
and gave the
“Something Bad Happened”
confession in the morn.
The same morning that the Police
were blocking the area of the rocks
with their cars and motorcycles
while the clean up crew did their job
of painting over the blood on the rocks;
carefully removing the lambs from their alters
and bagging them up to be placed
in the water basin.
Never mind their wishes or that of their families.
Picked up by a Furniture Truck,
they’d be delivered to their “rightful” owners.
The Prime Minister had spoken
and the death of Natalee Holloway
would be covered…
She would remain forever, “MISSING”.
No one, outside the Arawak Nation
would, ever, know the truth.
.
Let him boast about his freedom
as we know that the crimes against Natalee
go higher than merely Joran and his punk friends.
Joran was in jail as were the Kalpoes when
Natalee met her end.
Joran knew Natalee would be Slaughtered
on the alter as a human sacrifice
for the Arawak Nation.
He wasn’t boasting so loud about his freedom
THAT night, was he?
He wanted to die, by his OWN hand,
knowing that it was HIS fault that she was being
tortured and killed for a cause
that she neither believed in nor understood…
The Arawak Nation meant nothing to her
and yet she was forced to give her life blood
for them to drink,
and her flesh, on which; they would feast…
like animals;
Her heart, for the strength of a nation.
It’s all right there…
On the Chicago Videos…
Take a look…
Can you SEEEEEEE it?
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Boycott Aruba!
To Pat from Alabama; Jan 1st #77.
Yes you are right I am a little testy sometimes; however as you said no offense intended; then none was taken. Thank you.
It is truely amazing. For a person to have disappeared for over two years there is so much written about Natalee Holloway.
I’m learning everyday. I never saw this one.
http://www.freewebs.com/nataleeannholloway/kalpoefamily.htm
1906:
I believe that Joran made a statement that his father had to leave the casino early, and gave him his hand, so Paulus could go home to feed his brother. I also remember there being a statement by Paulus that he knew that his younger son had caught the bus, but wasn’t sure if Joran had gone to school the day that Natalee went missing.
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Call it what you may, but, I still think that Joran and his brothers suffer brain damage from having their foreheads flattened by an iron, as babies. There is no doubt in my mind that Anita is a cannibal; and, I believe she did this to her sons in keeping with Arawak tradition.
It may sound amazing, crazy, and unbelievable; but take the time to research the history of Aruba and the Arawak Nation. The knowledge of their religion, customs and traditions IS the bigger picture.
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SM: Huh? Yes, sounds totally crazy to me and unbelievable (klaasend)
10061096 … I wouldn’t say that you are testy in the least. On the contrary, I think that we are all pleased to have you here. I know that you elevate the tone of our discourse.
Anyway, remember that Joran had his own apartment at the vdS compound, one which was detached from the main house. So he might have relied on privacy. I’m sure that he had brought others there before, and relied on no intrusions.
Yes Richard; and two other things. Joran’s apartment was searched(?) that is what we were told. If there was any evidence it is long gone. There are really three seperate buildings. Joran’s apartment, the sleeping quarters and the house proper.
However do you recall when they finally searched the Van der Sloots house; Anita felt violated by the intrusion and the only room that was not searched was the younger brothers. Anita was also annoyed about the police taken her camera. We still don’t know if it was a still camera or one with video capabilities.
Klaas:
Look it up…
They REALLY do that!
Just recently, there was a man that was charged in the death of his wife. He had traveled to South America and had paid some Indians to kidnap her, sacrifice her to their gods, eat her and shrink her head.
There are many, many Indians in Mexico, Central and South America and I’m not saying all of them are cannibals… but some ARE and HAVE BEEN for CENTURIES…
Among them… The Arawak who have inhabited the island of Aruba for centuries.
Would 97,000 people be embarrassed over a date rape drugging, and death? Would Oduber lay his reputation on the line over a punk 17 year old and his friends? And most of all, does the body in the bush meet the definition of the way in which the Nation tortures and kills their victims?
I say yes.
Thing is:
Someone probably died to get the Chicago Videos out of Aruba. The videos go to the very heart of the cover-up. To ignore the videos and what they tell us would be a huge mistake. There’s a reason why they were released anonymously. They potray the death and disposal of Natalee Holloway… and, more than that, they prove the unknown and the unbelievable.
Who would have EVER guessed?!?!?!
Certainly, not a Christian.
Patti
You may be onto someting about Jorans head being whacked with irons…..kinda like smashed between two. I can just picture it…accounts for the square frankenstien shape.
Problem is Anita didn’t hit him hard enuff
On March 1, 2006, FOX News aired part one of Greta Van Susteren’s interview with Joran van der Sloot. The interview aired on the show “On The Record w/Greta Van Susteren.” Unlike ABC News, Fox posted the entire unedited transcript on their website. Here are some exerts from the interview.
Q. “Has Aruba been affected by Natalee’s disappearance?”
A. “I think it has been affected, been affected quite a lot, and that’s one thing that hurts
me a lot. I mean, the Aruban people did everything, everything to try and — to try and solve
this case. They did. They sent F-16 jets from Holland over to take pictures. They’ve
interrogated I don’t know how many people. They have dive teams from all over the world have
come to dive into the oceans and look in the oceans. They sent the whole Marines to search the
entire island.
I mean, the government, the Aruban government, even gave all the people that work for the
government a day off to go search the island. I mean, a lot has been done, and everyone just
wants to get this case solved and get it done with. That’s what everybody wants.”
(It would seem that everyone went to look for Natalee except four people who knew the search would come up empty handed. The four who did not even offer to search. Joran, Deepak, Satish and of course Paulus)(Notice he never mentions the name NATALEE.)
Q. “What was your intention at that point to have sex with her?”
A. “That was my, yes, that was my intention, yes. That was my first intention
(If that was his first intention what was his second and subsequent intentions?)
You can read them in their entirety here.
http://www.statementanalysis.com/holloway/
What is disturbing is the “Primetime Live” interview with Chris Cuomo and Joran from February 23, 2006. Almost all other transcripts can be purchased. This one cannot. What are they hiding here? Remember Chris and Dyane did not even bother to evaluate the casino tape. They were in such a hurry to scoop everyone for ratings.
My main comment is thus: If this guy is so good with chatting with the girls and has a probablity of scoring around 90%; why does he sound like a blabbering friggen idiot when he has to answer any question concerning Natalee?
Is his probablity of scoring really 10% chatting and 80% drugging the victims?
Thanks Miss U!
LOL!!!
But, the way they do it is they strap the iron to the forehead, so it flattens it and prevents the forehead from protruding and preventing it from developing correctly. I would imagine that it effects the frontal lobe part of the brain.
The end result = brain damage
He would have been better off if she would have
just killed him. He will never, ever be right.
LOL Miss-U!
I think Jurine & Paules would look great with a vise arround those Franken/Orb’s they got going on and turn the handle over to Beth.
Patti 54: I would say you put up a good argument. The vidoes and especially two other items. That interview where we don’t see the persons face and to tell the truth I forgot what it was about. The second would be all the work that Carpe did on the plastic bag. Yes there are questions to be answered. Also in question is the Clausen Investigative report about the Lion’s Den.
Lion’s don’t hunt they protect the pride(?) or Den(?), Lioness do all the hunting!!!
1906:
It isn’t hard to score anymore, unfortunately.
Perhaps, Joran could do it alot…
But, keeping someone is the hard part.
There is an erie silence from Persistence today. I think we are on the brink of major announcement.
1906 #59:
In the Arawak Nation, it is the Lions that do the prowling, the lioness’ that prepare the feast and the priest that spills the blood; and after offering the heart to the gods, eats first.
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Boycott Aruba!
I know it’s wrong to wish harm to anyone.However considering the circumstances , I hope v-justice comes around real soon. I hope it occures copy cat style to each of the four [everyone knows whom I speak of]Just think,whoever carries this out will have 10 days to clean up. I had the priveledge to meet Beth and Natalee in 2004. You think Natalee is beautiful on camera,you should see her in person. I might also add, one need not look far to see where she got it. Joron-sleep with one eye open,you will certainly get yours.It’s just a matter of time.You have ruined too many lives. I think you know these people have connections. I could be wrong-I hope I’m not
#61 Bob– You think???
#63 ayfit,
Remember in Aruba, “No Body, No Crime”.
Boycott Aruba young women,the LIFE you save may be YOUR OWN.
BOYCOTT ARUBA FOREVER
I wonder if jvds is still reading his Bible that he just had to have in jail. I say look at the Bible to see if there may be codes of some sort written inside (from Papa of course – maybe to keep silent, don’t say anything, etc. I personally don’t think for one minute that Urine is a Bible reader. Just doesn’t jive…..
Cleaning fluid in Deepak’s car is another issue…they carried drinks from Carlos ‘n Charlies to the car. Could this cleaning fluid have been the common alternative date rape drug…GBL. Maybe a drink spilled/splattered during a scuffle or while mixing a drink. Be interesting to know if the cleaning fluid used in the car contained GBL. Maybe used a different fluid to cover-up the GBL.
Does anyone know what may have happened to Fabienne, Joran’s girl on the beach from last year. It seems when anyone goes on the beach with Joran, they sort of disappear. Boy I bet Stef was pi$$ed when she saw them together..
Ray Most won’t listen. They think it could not possibly happen to ME; until it’s too late to turn back time.
Look at Joyce Buckley…..
Anything further on her. The story just seemed to dry up. Never got far in the media. I wonder why???
SILENCE from Persistence!!!!!!!!!!
Last update: Tues 01-Jan – 0032 hrs New Year’s Day
Com’on gentlemen, tell us what we want to hear.
#63 ayfit
If things don’t go back to business as usual now that the case has “entered a new phase”, I think it a strong possibility that the people protecting these guys could make them “disappear”. It is the only way they can appease the public without admitting involvement themselves and cover-up. J2K are in a very precarious position. No one will come forward with the truth now, so who would come forward if they were murdered? IMO the drug lords are in control of the whole island.
PLEASE READ THIS AND THEN CONVINCE ME THERE IS NO COVER UP.!!!
http://crime.about.com/b/2005/06/10/confusion-reigns-in-natalee-holloway-case.htm
brie 68. Go to Aruba yellow pages. The biggest dry cleaners on the island are in guess where.
Hooiberg; not far from the Kalpoes. Inhaling cleaning fluid will cause unconsciousness just like starter fluid.
Contact from Persistence:
“Update: 02-Jan- 1920 hrs
The first round of ROV dives are complete.
The Persistence leaves the dock at 0650 hrs. The relentless wind is SE 25-30 kts with 6-8ft swells and 3-4ft wind waves. The two wave forms occasionally add together producing impressive swells which toss around anything that isn’t dogged down. Simple tasks such as taking a shower become complicated and awkward. By now, the search team is well-seasoned to the conditions and terrain. The new grid poses new challenges but provides another chapter to be read. Inch by inch, mile by mile the search continues forward and the data is good.”
….and the data is good.
Jorge Pesquera’s delivers farewell note
ORANJESTAD – Jorge Pesquera’s farewell notes were as expected both eloquent and poignant as he addressed an intimate gathering of industry colleagues and friends at the Renaissance Convention Center during his official farewell party.The President & CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association reported that AHATA as an association is now stronger and better than ever, largely thanks to constant challenges it faced over the past three years, while entrusted to his leadership. Read more…
He would not be talking about Natalee here would he?
Does anyone think he was forced to resigned because he admitted to Beth that Natalee’s disappearance was a cover up.
It would be interesting for the FBI to meet with him in Palm Springs and ask him why he came to that conclusion..
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=1
What a crock of BS. Never once mentioned Natalee’s disappearance yet that was what got him the job in Palm Springs
76 excuse me that is Palm Beach.
#73 1906
Sure looks and smells like a cover-up, and not even a very good one…
The only other thing I can think of is that this was done to pressure the boys into a confession. Normally this would be done in an interrogation, not publicly, but since PVDS was coaching all 3 boys and had other self-serving connections into the situation, perhaps they did it publicly. If so, someone decided it was a stupid move and backtracked fast. Why? Because they would have to quickly produce a body before international media scrutiny…
As I recall they made a statement that they knew where Natalee was and would be going to recover her the next morning. I always thought that a bit weird. Looks like they would have gone right then, right away, recovered the body, and then made the statement.
It is possible that they tried the same thing with Hans Mos – public statement to pressure the suspects resulting in nothing. Cool Hand Luke says “sometimes nothin’s a real cool hand”, but in this case it just looked like bumbling incompetence… or a cover-up.
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=1
The forum will allow work to continue on developing competitive methods to ‘white paper’ results — highlighting possible opportunities and threats to the island’s tourism industry — which resulted from last year’s forum discussions.
Dr. Kevin Murphy, a visiting professor from the University of Central Florida, has returned to function as the moderator of the forum, helping to guide participants in considering Aruba’s tourism against a global environment and the identified affects of economic aspects, politics, socio-cultural factors, technological and ecological issues.
Break-out sessions of small work groups will open discussion in discovering appropriate actions to counter influences on Aruba’s tourism product.
Perhaps we should write to Dr. Murphy and inform him of what we think of his participation in trying to recover tourism from an island wide cover up just in case he did not realize it was an American Citizen by the name of Natalee Holloway that has disappeared on Aruba.
Notice the SOB’s only mention the difficulties but never Natalee Holloway’s disappearance and cover up that caused these difficulties.
We all know that those three jackasses are guilty, guilty, guilty! Joran is a damned liar and his parents are a couple of pigs that sweat in public and wear sheer blouses in the most terrible taste ever! All three and their parents including Mama K know what their sons did! How would they feel instead of those three useless human beings were GIRLS? how would they feel if their little girls dissappeared in the darkeness of the night in a deserted beach? Ha! I would like to see Anita still shed a tear ever! or alcahuate Mama K that covers up for her babies! Bad, bad people, bad human beings all of them! And that country should be banned for tourists might also “dissappear” with the help of Daddy Paulus. I hope God punishes all of them one way or another some day, what goes around, comes around, Karma Law!
1906 – you are so right! This entire charade was a cover up. Natalee NEVER GOT AN INVESTIGATION.
They never went looking for her, because they already KNEW that she was MURDERED and NOT COMING BACK. But think of the savagery that went into lying to her distraught mother – collapsing to the ground, her heart broken father whom they watched sifting for hours through a garbage pit to find his beloved child! THINK OF THE SAVAGERY THAT WENT INTO WATCHING THE TORTURE THAT THE TWITTY-HOLLOWAY FAMILIES WERE PUT THROUGH – ONLY FOR THE UNCONSCIONABLE TO COLLUDE WITH THIS DEPRAVED CONDUCT!!!
The savagery of those who colluded in covering up the horrific criminal acts inflicted upon Natalee – AND HER FAMILY, are as barbaric and inhumane as the savagery inflicted directly by the devils themselves who not only stole this child’s precious life, but had the arrogance to THREATEN BETH’S LIFE, ASSAULT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS BEAUTIFUL FAMILY, ASSAULT THIS BEAUTIFUL VICTIMIZED CHILD – like the savage terrorists that they are.
This child’s truth is not going away!
Her voice will be heard, her truths will be spoken and her cries for justice will ring out across the world! She will re-shape the way people think about “tourism” and the sacred trust that tourists place in the hands of the INFRASTRUCTURES to which they travel.
Here’s the truth:
When those Mountain Brook chaperones phoned in their cries for help, and the Visibility Team literally LIED to them – pretending to be police, and then claiming they NEVER FORWARDED THE CALL TO THE ALE – the REAL POLICE, … only for Straten to suddenly claim that he DID receive notification of their cries for help on May 30 at 9:30 AM, (yet couldn’t explain WHY the ALE FAILED IN RESPONDING TO THOSE TOURISTS CRIES FOR HELP…for HOURS…!) – … the disgrace of that disgusting series of UNLAWFUL acts and deceptive lies, by the corrupt Aruban police and the corrupt Visibility Team – smacks of the SAME LYING CONDUCT of Joran Van der Sloot and his lying father – who both claimed initially to know NOTHING about Natalee being missing when Beth arrived at the Van der Sloot house on May 31 – at 3 AM in the morning.
How could Paulus know NOTHING about Natalee – or that she was missing when HOURS BEFORE BETH’S ARRIVAL he was telling his pals that “WITHOUT A CORPSE THERE IS NO CASE”? How could Paulus not know a thing about Natalee – upon Beth’s arrival to HIS HOUSE, when HE was SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO NATALEE AT A CASINO AT A TIME WHEN HE CLAIMED HE WAS NOT AT THE CASINO? How could JORAN not know a thing about Natalee – when HE was sitting right there across from her at that casino, WITH his father, and while hotel video surveillance cameras revealed: NATALE WAS NEVER DROPPED OFF AT HER HOTEL AS HE AND DEEPAK CLAIMED?
How could Joran, Paulus and Deepak know nothing about Natalee when all three of them were holding HOLIDAY INN LIE MEETINGS TOGETHER – PRIOR TO BETh’S ARRIVAL TO ARUBA?
How could Joran know nothing about Natalee when he was lying to her, telling her that he was staying at HER HOTEL AS A GUEST AND TOURIST?
HOW COULD ANY OF THE ABOVE NOT BE RELEVANT TO AN INVESTIGATION INTO A YOUNG CHILD MISSING?
Add to the above that …
The infrastructure in Aruba is contaminated with corruption. Law enforcement officials on the island were FULLY AWARE that TOURIST ATTRACTIONS (to which young girls were being lured into as the night place to visit and experience the “fun and safety” of Aruba) – these attractions were knowingly being USED BY PREDATORS to TARGET AMERICAN CHILDREN FOR DRUGGING, KIDNAPPING AND RAPING THEM. That is a fact.
Just think – what is more FUNDAMENTAL to TRAVEL than a level of TRUST that the destination point to which one travels, will be RESPONSIVE to the HUMAN RIGHTS and the SAFETY AND PROTECTION of the traveler?
Aruban corrupt law enforcement officials and the Aruban government violated Natalee Holloway in every conceivable way that it could!
1906 – Aruba reeks of corruption, deception and fatal danger to our precious children and loved ones!
It is simply immoral and unethical for us to ever pretend now that we do not know the TRUTH about THAT ISLAND, after what they did to an American child, and her family.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
73. 1906
There’s that statement “something bad happened”
Aruba hasn’t seen bad yet….wait
This Jorge is definitely underworked and over paid. Why did you really leave Aruba?
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/palm/blog/2007/10/from_natalee_holloway_to_palm.html
Hey Jorge how would you feel if your wife Marina or your daughter Mariana met Joran van der Sloot on the beach and then phuff they just disappeared off the face of the earth. Would you look for them in a garbage dump? How would you feel if Dennis Jacobs called your wife or daughter a punta to your face?
I don’t wish you one happy moment in Palm Beach.
You will never succeed in your new post; you are not qualified. You will fail. Just like you failed on Aruba.
I have watched those Chicago Videos over and over and over again. Perhaps I’ve missed something basic in my rage. Why have no “independent” or private investigators searched, filmed, and extracted soil samples for DNA testing in and around those rocks that were ‘painted, etc.” ? Or were they? That spot shouldn’t be too hard to locate. Clearly “something bad” was going on by those people being filmed.
Well, Aruba, I can give you free advice
and you won’t even need to pay Dr. Murphy:
Give Natalee Justice
That Positive Action Will Help Tourism
Aruba, you can try to go around the Natalee issue and waste your time hiring “experts” –but there is absolutely NO moving past Natalee.
Get real, Aruba.
And this post is dedicated to the trolls who
come on here and write that tourism is
wonderful, blah, blah, blah–and now I
am going to lie on the beach.
You are a joke.
First of all, do you think that Aruba
is the only place in the world that has
beaches? Wake up. We have plenty of
beaches and sunshine right here in the
US. And Aruba cannot hold a candle
to Santa Barbara, CA or the Hawaiian Islands.
Second, the tourism info that you are being force-fed
is not even credible most of the time. Also, there are ways to
present statistics to make them look more favorable than they are. Or to slant or leave out info–such as placing hotels with low occupancy in a category of “renovations.” Little games like that.
Furthermore, the real indication of Aruba’s tourism being in bad shape is that tourism is nowhere near where it was expected to be. So even if Aruba is MAYBE doing a little better than last year
(even that is questionable)–that only means it is doing a little better than the previous lousy year.
Aruba’s tourism, before the travesty of justice Aruba inflicted
upon Natalee and her family, was growing.
So to get a real indication of how much tourism has been hit,
you need to compare where Aruba’s tourism was projected to be
and where it is today. And don’t forget all the debts incurred by Aruba.
Now you get the real picture. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
bob 84;
First of all as a tourist you are permitted 14 days on the island.
If you were doing a search or some type of work, Aruba would say you needed a work permit and for what reason. Once you told them why and where, the permit would be denied. End of search by an independent; of course M.O.
# 86 – J4N, YOU ARE THE BOMB!
You go girl ( or guy!)!!!!
http://www.catalog.sdes.ucf.edu/current/university_faculty/m/
Here is the faculty list at U of Central Florida.
Kevin Murphy, PhD. is listed.
For those who wish to contact him.
(see bottom of page)
1006, #87
Perhaps…..but, let’s think outside of the box. It was quite common, in the old days pre-Natalee, to see “tourists” walking all over the place, snapping pictures, nature walking, shell searching, etc. Unless those “rocks” are/were under 24 hr guard (and you’d have to ask why that would be), I think it wouldn’t be too difficult to walk around there, obtain soil samples, thoroughly photograph the dickens out of the rocks and entire area, scrape a little paint off those rocks and submit the flakes for DNA examination in a lab. You can cover blood that you can see with the eye, but the molecules mix with other substances and do not disappear (paint). If questioned by anyone: “Just taking a few photos of this lovely area and scenery of yours”. As for time restraints….set up a series of “new vacationers” every 10 days who just happen to be walking around. I wasn’t thinking about major excavation, that wouldn’t be necessary. Of course perhaps this was already done, if not, why not? The FBI is quite clever, and you need not wave flags to alert the sand pigs what you are doing. Easy game when you’re properly trained.
10061906 – Are you sure about the 14 day restriction for a tourist? The reason I ask is that we requested rates for 21 days back when somebody was claiming that all the resorts were full, and were quoted rates with no mention of a 14 day restriction.
Judging from the posts above, nobody disagrees with the idea that there was and is a cover-up.
In other words, we all believe that.
OK, next question: what is the motive? Why would Aruba, within hours after Natalee’s disappearance, start such an action that we believe persists to this day?
What would motivate Aruba to thwart its own interests, to foster hostility from its main customer, American tourists?
Face it … before Natalee’s case, did anyone ever give a hoot about Aruba? Perhaps we SHOULD have, since info was out there, but attention was never paid to it. Now it is.
Why, in short, does Aruba seem determined to cut its own throat?
You already know what I think …. It sure isn’t merely for the obvious suspects.
I wonder if this Dr. Murphy of central Florida has connections to West Palm Beach, which hired the AHATA guy to run its tourism … and cited his “success” in limiting the damage from the Natalee Holloway case as a reason to do so?
Something seems very wrong indeed.
10061096 (#87) … Well, if Tacopino wanted to do a search, I’m sure he’d get the white-glove treatment. If it were Beth or Dave? Forget it.
I believe we should write to the Palm Beach Tourist Association and tell them that they hired a “Girly Man” for the job. He could NOT look Beth in the eye when he whispered that Natalee’s disappearance was a cover up;
and the fact that Palm Beach has hired a person from Aruba where an American citizen by the name of Natalee Ann Holloway disappeared on May 30, 2005.
Natalee was just a little bump in your career, uh? WTF man that bump was an American citizen from the Human Race.
You certainly have reached the PPP.
Pinnacle of the Peter Principle!!!!!
1096 – #83 …
As a result of the corruption already displayed and the unethical conduct exemplified by officials representing the tourism industry, the government of Aruba and Aruba’s law enforcement that was charged with “investigating” Natalee’s reported disappearance, it appears that ALL those involved in this outrageous unethical and / or corrupt conduct would be SUSPECT in ANY future endeavors with which they become involved as a result of no investigation proceeding from the corrupt / and or unethical conduct already demonstrated by numerous parties to the cover up and criminal acts involved that were committed against Natalee Holloway and her family.
If the man whose name you mention is involved with tourism in a U.S. state, it would be inconceivable to me that any law abiding, ethical business person or tourism board, would hire such an individual when clear information is now surfacing that he was fully aware that a coverup of criminal conduct was inflicted upon an American tourist – by virtue of his own admission to his knowledge of that coverup, which warrants an investigation into all surrounding parties and their knowledge of criminal acts inflicted upon an American tourist to Aruba.
It would be unethical for any tourism organization board in the United States to hire such an individual until a full investigation is conducted concerning all the shameful, unethical conduct that was exhibited by various parties in Aruba, particularly if it is learned that Mr. Pesquera knowingly engaged in or was aware of – but did nothing to speak out against – any unethical, untrutful, criminal or deceitful acts involved in the coverup of criminal conduct that was inflicted upon an American child who was a tourist to Aruba, while he was head of the Aruban Tourism Authority. Tourism involves an implicit TRUST. Americans and our guests deserve full disclosure, and the security of knowing that officials brought in to represent the tourism industry in the United States are of good, sound, moral ethics. Clearly, because of the circumstances surrounding Natalee’s disappearance, and the conduct displayed by those last seen taking her away, and the aftermath that followed and continues to torment her family, it would seem at the very least that a thourough investigation of Mr. Pesquera be conducted before hiring him to any position of TRUST in the United States by virtue of the disgraceful conduct of the Tourism Authority of Aruba that was demonstrated through the vicious commentary of various individuals writing the most shameful commentary about Natalee and her family.
Furthermore, I would have to wonder whether our Congress has any standards, laws, ethics that concern the laws, safety and well being of tourists who travel in good faith into the United States – where, an individual who was involved in previous administrative duties in Aruba, surrounding a tourists victimization in a country where he previously held an authoritative position in the Tourism industry and who admitted to his knowledge of a criminal cover up concerning the victimization of a child under his watch, while head of Aruba’s tourism authority – which has yet to be fully investigated concerning any possible links to the overall coverup of crimes committed against Natalee, where – a US based tourism board would then hire such an individual in the absence of any investigation driven by ethical directives and a duty to integrity of law, that continues to leave un-answered questions concerning the brutal victimization of Natalee Holloway and her family in Aruba. Are there laws or procedures in place that our United States Congress has concerning the tourism industry, tourists who travel in TRUST and good faith into the United States and back ground checks on those individuals hired to RUN OUR TOURISM INDUSTRY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES? It would seem incredulous to me – that our United States officials and congress would have nothing to say about the ethics surrounding the many unanswered questions in Natalee’s case, the hiring of a tourism official who would now have authority concerning the safety and well being of Americans and our guests – and do nothing to investigate Mr. Pesqueara, or his knowledge of any incidents concerning the criminal acts inflicted upon Natalee Holloway.
Time to phone your congressional representatives, and ask questions about this if it is indeed true!
Natalee Holloway deserves a thorough investigation, and clearly, Mr. Pesquera should understand that when a criminal matter concerning a CHILD’S SAFETY is at issue, surely the American public has the right to know and be informed of his knowledge and background concerning the horrific events that unfolded following the murder that our own FBI believes was inflicted upon this precious child! There must be a system of checks and balance when it comes to insuring the safety of our children, our guests and doing our utmost to protect them, while honoring their TRUST by hiring individuals for whom a thorough background check has been instituted, and where warrented, a FULL INVESTIGATION into their background is also warrented – as is the case, given Mr. Pesquera’s own comments to Beth Holloway – through his own admission that he was aware that a cover up had taken place concerning the horrific savagery inflicted upon her beautiful daughter!
Natalee Holloway deserves justice!
MURPHY, KEVIN
Assistant Professor of Hospitality Management
I wonder how many credits that degree consists of. Joran blew right through the course only Natalee did not survive is what we should tell the GOOD doctor.
Richard: the turncoat lawyer Tacopina would have to search all day long before he discovered he was suffering from Rectal Cranial Syndrome!!!!!!!
They are so far up each others a$$holes that if one stopped suddenly they would all get AIDS.
#74…1906…I also read the cleaning fluid GBL acts like GHB but has a slower onset and a longer duration. Adverse affects including respiratory depression and cardiac dysrhythmia. It is metabolized in the liver into GHB.
Somebody needs to take Joran for a ride!!!!
59. 1006. Don’t know if it means anything, but young male lions who don’t yet have a pride of their own do hunt, often in groups. Like J2K.
mommytraveller;
I thought it odd also. I just read it on one of the Aruba sites. I’ll try and find it it may be on my other computer.
Hey 1906!!!!!!!
sorry if this is already posted.
Re: #42 a while ago an inside forum Monkey called Widgit the midgit contacted KLM arilines and was told that 3 vadershits flew from nl to aruba on June 1, 2, 3 2005 (I forget the actaul date). Also, many posters from aruba back in June2005 stated that the 2 brothers were with avds.IMO everyone had to change their stories to the 2 brothers being home to give pvds an alibi, just had they all had to change their stories to cover his 4AM pick up.
Happy New Year 1906 and all Monkeys.
Well, yes indeed, those 3 Aruba “sporters” are some catch for females. Imagine the quality/worth of any guy who needs to drug a female to get a ‘home run’. LOL. Sure it’s easy when you drug someone into helplessness. I remember the old days when it took all night of finess to simply get a smooch before going home. LOL, guess I’m dating myself, but it would never occur to a decent male to drug a female. Afterall, the difference between rape and seduction is sportsmanship. (Appologies to the ladies on this blog.) The unholy Trinity are truly worthless to any female, anywhere.
Hans Mos:
Does Paulus have a completed timeline yet? Did you ever inquire about that?
Don’t you think it’s “fishy” that Karin Janssen wrote a letter declaring Paulus no longer a suspect? Hmmmm
Did you really expect to solve the case by breaking the suspects?
LOL It is two years later and they are lawyered up.
Yo, Mr. Mos, How about breaking through the corruption!
THAT is how you solve the case.
NM 102: No one else has responded. That is what I thought. Anita and the younger Sloots were in the Netherlands. This then opens a new Avenue to what Joran has said. I wanted to take her to my house. She was OK for that. My first intention was to have sex with her, at my house. He makes it sound that they knew each other for quite a while rather than him stalking Natalee 30 minutes before closing.
My best guess now would be; In the younger brothers bed, with Sanders phone while Freddy took the pictures and Stef and others helped and watched.
#90 Bob
On Dec 12th I posted the following regarding the Chicago videos. I really was searching for serious input from others, but got no response, so I will post it one more time. Keep in mind, I believed in the videos like a religious crusader when I first saw them, emailed various outlets of the MSM, watch them in slow spped/ freeze frame, etc., but as time has gone by, I see more questions than answers…
Dec 12th post:
(regarding basin picture) It looks like someone moving under the plastic to me. I think all of the videos were staged. When was the last time someone in the media shot video of something and didn’t take credit for it? This would have been the biggest breaking news on Aruba in our lifetime, and they just pass up the story? Why didn’t they take some footage of the basin with the plastic pulled back so that there would be no doubt who it was??? Someone is having a good laugh over this.
I really believed the video of the rocks for a long time. I was sure it was a forensic recovery of Natalee. There is one point in video 8 where it looks like they lift a hand or foot, but the more I reflect on the videos the more questions they raise.
If the dogs are cadaver dogs, why are they standing around so disinterested? Why are the guys intensly interested in one area, working on something, but then move 10 feet away and start wrapping someting in plastic there. What’s up with the cooler? I’m sure its hot there, but if I was recovering a dead body I would be ready to throw up, not take a break and drink Gatorade. Most people know that blood evidence might be visibly covered by paint, but that scrapings could be made later by any passers by that wanted to send samples for DNA tests. The paint would tend to preserve the blood from getting washed away by rain. How did this person ratting out the ALE know when and where to go to shoot this video (they are there ahead of the vehicles). I just can’t buy into the videos any more. More misinformation, and they have done a good job at leading us off track, but then these people are professionals…”
Bob, (# 102) I think you hit the nail on the head.
REAL MEN DON’T ACT LIKE SAVAGES.
Real men are just as one poster already said: they are men who have the guts and the integrity to stand up for our children and defend them.
They are men like Dave Holloway, Jug Twitty, Matthew Holloway, Deetch, Viet Vet, Red, MD, and a cute little Frog that hops around from time to time.
They are men like Kyle, Tim Miller, The Silvetti Team members and founders, and all the volunteers aboard the Persistence who give of their very hearts to help find Natalee for her family, and do the job that the scoundrels and the unconscionable NEVER DID, nor did they ever attempt to do as was required by law – for Natalee and for her family.
Real men are marked by their integrity and honorable conduct.
They are the kind of men you’ve witnessed on this blog who have the manhood, the integrity, the courage and conviction to stand up and be counted when savages attack our children – stripping them of every God-given freedom they were entitled to, while rendering our children completely helpless, whereupon these savages brutally torment and victimize children – as they did to Natalee Holloway.
Real men don’t threaten to “cut up into little pieces” the grief stricken MOTHER of a brutally victimized little girl.
Real men don’t send a father whose heart has been cut up by the pain he feels for his daughter – and then send that father into a garbage pit, knowing that his daughter isn’t there, that she’s been murdered, and her body – desecrated by savage monsters!
REAL MEN WOULD NEVER COLLUDE IN THE DEPRAVITY OF SILENCE TO THE TORMENT AND CRUELTY INFLICTED UPON NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND HER FAMILY!
REAL MEN CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS WITH MORAL INTEGRITY, AND HONORABLE CONDUCT.
REAL MEN TELL THE TRUTH – PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Real men don’t need to engage in Holiday Day Lie meetings, falsification of legal documents meetings, deceptive strategies to inflict slanderous, destructive comments upon a young innocent girl and her family, destruction of a precious child’s dna in order to erase their own immoral depravity, the hideous conduct of blaming a brutally victimized child for her own victimization, the unscrupulous act of changing a mother’s testimony concerning her baby’s truth!
REAL MEN DON’T CORRUPT AND OBSTRUCT THE TRUTH OF A BRUTALLY VICTIMIZED LITTLE GIRL FROM BEING TOLD!
Real men don’t need to hire nine different attorneys with questionable ethics to defend them, because REAL MEN don’t brutalize CHILDREN!
Real men have standards, ethics and a moral conscience. They aren’t governed by a savage indifference, but rather – they actually have a passion for justice, a sense of ethical integrity, and they abide by social norms that RESPECT women, and innocent little children.
Real men are heroes who fight for what is honorable, decent, and that which represents our precious freedom and democracy as sacred.
Real men uphold the moral tenets of society, the standards of justice and truth by which a civilized society exists!
There were no real men around in the final moments of Natalee’s life, though there were very brave real men from Mountain Brook, who tried to stop the savages who took Natalee away.
But as we know too well, when terrorists are intent upon inflicting harm upon an American citizen, it is going to take intense passion for justice and a commitment to upholding democracy and freedom in order to protect the God-given human rights that Natalee Holloway was entitled to, that she was robbed of at the hands of the unconscionable and corrupt in Aruba.
Real men don’t prey upon little, helpless, defenseless – drugged and rendered completely unable to defend themselves – girls, and subject them to the violence of rape, murder, and bodily desecration. Those are the acts of savages, not real men.
Deepak Kalpoe to Joran Van der Sloot:
“Your own father, unbelievable!”
JUSTICE FOR THIS PRECIOUS CHILD NAMED NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
MAY HER HOPE BE FOUND IN THE HANDS OF REAL MEN AND WOMEN OF HONOR, INTEGRITY AND COURAGE!
#105- Pat in ‘bama
“they have done a good job at leading us off track, but then these people are professionals”
Well not really Pat, with no disrespect to you whatsoever, if it was truly a “professional” staging this as a video fraud, it wasn’t very professional if an average person from ‘bama saw through the ‘farce’ with a simple frame by frame review. A professional would have reasoned that some HEAVY DUTY pro’s in the USA would examine the films like the examination of King Tut’s tomb.
Of course, the whole ARUBAN “experience” has been an observatory exercise in watching a 6th rate kiddie play unfolding. No wonder the crack corrupt “Officials” get the obviously uneducated common people to swallow anything…….they just don’t measure up with minimal braincells. Imagine, 97K people wandering around a dusty sand pile, w/o a clue. Maybe God has a special place for them all one day. I really hope so.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=i5RAr8nUbu8
Paul van der Sloot has told in the video. He does not know why Joran get an arrested. And sure the fact, that Aruba want let Joran come over to Aruba.
PVDS: Ja dat was vanaf het begin heel onduidelijk en het is eigenlijk onduidelijk gebleven. Wat er was geen enkel nieuw feit. Dus naar mijn idee is die overbrenging van Nederland naar Aruba dan ook onrechtmatig geweest.
#79 1006 says: “Perhaps we should write to Dr. Murphy and inform him of what we think of his participation in trying to recover tourism from an island wide cover up just in case he did not realize it was an American Citizen by the name of Natalee Holloway that has disappeared on Aruba.”
1006 – I find it quite telling that you want to write to this Mr Murphy but refuse, straight up refuse, to write to Carla Reynolds( Natalee’s aunt) and Quinn & Company. Quinn & Co/Carla are currently heavily promoting tourism in the US for Aruba.
Why do you have your blinders on to them…but not others?
Very telling indeed.
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SM: FWIW, Carla never knew an alive Natalee and Natalee never knew Carla (klaasend)
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They never encountered Beth, Dave and Jug, friends and relatives to come searching for Natalee. This made everything very difficult. We don’t want to solve the crime in the first place, nor do we really know how even if we wanted to and we can’t let our secret get out, you know safe island and all, so Natalee will just disappear. And that will be that. Sorry, it didn’t work out that way. There is no excuse for not allowing our FBI to do their job. They were more than willing. But you didn’t want your dirty secrets revealed. Everything you have done has been staged. False information, false reports, documents altered, criminals involved, abuse over and over again to Natalee’s family, not feeling a bit of remorse. You are the disgusting pieces of low life.
Joran, Paulus and Kalpoes…we will never, never, never, never, never give in. So guess what your life is going to be like. And Joran you can count on the fact that your smirk will take on a different look!!!! Kalpoes your best choice would be going back to Surinam, you’ve caused enough grief for the Arubans. I doubt if they want you around!!!!
yoyo; I had a full paragraph for you written but you are not worth my time to respond to your nonsense good bye bitch.
Klass, I just want to thank you for your wisdom, and courageous leadership.
And concerning yoyo: Why do you persist in your failed attempts at misdirecting people?
If 1906 wants to write to Murphy, what’s your fear, yoyo? Are you afraid of 1906 confronting Murphy with Natalee’s truth? Are you trying to suggest that Carla approves of Aruba’s obstruction of justice, yoyo?
Are you trying to suggest that Quinn and Co. approve of an American tourist being brutally victimized by savages?
OR is it just that you fear the outcry growing from among Americans who are absolutely disgusted by the actions of the MURDERERS and their CO-CONSPIRATORS who ganged up on a defenseless child, and her mother, father and family?
You will never obstruct this child’s voice, yoyo, nor her truth, nor will you ever distract anyone from the savagery that Aruba allowed to be inflicted upon Natalee Holloway.
If Carla is smart, and I think she is – she advise those lacking a moral conscience to find one, and those lacking integrity to find some, or they can expect their tourism to tank like nothing they could ever have anticipated before!
Maybe you think that Natalee Holloway is “disposeable”, yoyo.
To us, she is a sacred human being, a life that was savagely taken from her family, and until Aruba’s tourism confronts their own savage conduct, there can be no trust, no integrity in every traveling to Aruba!
Natalee Holloway – a child, deserves justice!
Klaasend:
I just saw a theory that this lady talk about, but it has to many variables.
remember the time from 2:30 to 4:00
anyway, did hear anything from BT.
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SM: Not yet but I’ve been so busy today I haven’t had a chance to follow up (klaasend)
pearl 95; eloquently written.
bob and pat; The videos. I have had many questions concerning them. Who was in a postion to take them? Why where they released? I had a big problem with the dogs. They seemed to be drugged also. They did nothing. They looked a litle like Fred Galob’s dogs but they were not sniffing or digging.
It looked more like a penial trash pickup then a crime scene. I’m not being critical of anyone’s interpretation. I just could not see it as a crime scene.
Carpe: You have spent numerous hours with the trash bag photos. Again who and why were they supplied. I don’t see all the detail you do. However; in some of the stills I definitly can see a blonde humanoid figure in a fetal position. I believe that was the video I was referring to earlier. The narrator is walking but you never see the face. Am I correct?
IMO the greatest indicator of guilt.
Paulus, Joran, Deepak, and Satish never volunteered any information nor did they assist in any searches. They knew it was futal so why bother. If I had been in Joran’s position under those circumstances the first thing I would have done was to try and prove I did not do anything but leave her on the beach. I would have taken everyone there and tried to look for anyone that may have spotted us together to prove I did nothing wrong. That never happened. Instead we received twenty different lies and then he writes a book. Cut me a break please. He is marked just like Cain. He will get what he deserves. So will Aruba and the Dutch.
“…good bye bitch.”
very adult of you 10061906. Calling childish names is usually either a sign of immaturity or desperation.
I take it you won’t write that letter/email.
And Pearl, just how am I “misdirecting” anyone? Who do you think is more influential in “misleading” the american public to how dangerous/corrupt aruba is(as you say)? Carla/Quinn & Co (sole provider of PR for ATA & Aruba) or Mr Murphy (1 day forum moderator).
You make the call.
Hey…YoYo is a troll and speaks out of the mouth of Anita…it just gives us more ammunition….!!!!
Hey Anita, your son murdered Natalee…there was a confession by your son..he did it…
# 107 – Bob, “if an average person from ‘bama saw through the ‘farce’…”. No insult intended against we Alabamians as a whole, right?
I think you didn’t answer the question, yoyo, something you do rather often when you cower in the shame that marks the depravity of injustice that encircles the island of Aruba.
I think you’re afraid of the swelling, growing outcry against the depravity that is in Aruba.
I think Quinn and co. should be very concerned that you are attempting to suggest that they condone this barbaric vicious, cruelty and savagery inflicted upon Natalee Holloway and her family.
I think you fear 1906 – and his/her ability to zero in on the ugly truth about the depravity in Aruba and the predators who violated Natalee and her family in every conceivable way they could!
Your attempts to distract and divert are clearly indicative of your desperate attempts to silence the growing swelter of voices crying out: JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
(I’d make those caps bigger for you, yoyo, but at this point in time, the font size is what it is.)
Bigger messages will come Aruba’s way, with font sizes that you won’t be able to avoid or miss,and you are clueless if you cannot feel the groundswell of outrage that is growing over the depraved indifference and cruelty that was allowed to be inflicted upon this child and her family.
As far as making decisions go, yoyo – I made mine a very long time ago.
You will recall Beth Holloway, pleading into a mass of cameras, in desperation on the day that the corrupt in Aruba executed one of many vicious cruel acts of injustice, while Beth Holloway stood there, begging that nations come to her aide (because Aruban law enforcement officials had failed to carry out the simple mandates of what the law summoned the ALE to do!)
She begged nations to help her, she begged for mothers and fathers to hear her plea.
I heard her.
I made my decision that day.
You had better make yours; and I suggest you choose wisely.
Tell us yoyo: Where did Paulus rape Natalee?
Deepak Kaploe to Joran Van der Sloot: “You’re own father, unbelievable.”
You will NEVER silence the voice of this innocent, brutally victimized child!
NEVER!
Every person who is outraged by the injustice done to her, will pick up her voice and carry her cries for justice until she is finally heard!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
Brie….I don’t think it was just Anita’s son – her own husband is guilty as hell. Deepak’s statement, “your own father, unbelievable” or something like that. They’ve got goods on each other – pvds/jvds & kalpoes & company. Anita needs to wake up & smell the wrinkles – her husband is a sick individual who has participated in this entire ordeal.
Let me add…if Anita has not participated/aided/enabled herself trying to save face.
Why no word from the Persistance today?
oh Pearl – here’s your answers:
- If 1906 wants to write to Murphy, what’s your fear, yoyo? (Huh? Fear? No fear. I could care less…but interesting how the Aruba PR company in the US is left alone.)
- Are you afraid of 1906 confronting Murphy with Natalee’s truth? (No…but interesting how the Aruba PR company in the US is left alone.)
- Are you trying to suggest that Carla approves of Aruba’s obstruction of justice, yoyo? (Yes. They chose not to drop Aruba as a client. If Carla believes there was obstruction, then 100% yes. Carla could find another job and quit Quinn or as 1 of 3 patners drop them as a client. Right?)
Are you trying to suggest that Quinn and Co. approve of an American tourist being brutally victimized by savages? (Yes. If they believe an American tourist was being brutally victimized by savages yet still continue to have them as a client then yes they approve 100%.)
“I think Quinn and co. should be very concerned that you are attempting to suggest that they condone this barbaric vicious, cruelty and savagery inflicted upon Natalee Holloway and her family.”
Now your turn Pearl – Why hasn’t Quinn & Co dropped ATA as a client if all that is true? Spin away Pearl.
Klaasend: Should I make a video of the places in question. It can be attached to the report.
What do you think.
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SM: You’re photos are so good I’m not sure if a video is necessary. Up to you, it might help but I don’t think it’s necessary (klaasend)
My post keeps getting wiped out. The truth shall set you free. Are the moderators scared of hearing truth? This is supposed to be a discussion not a lopsided slugfest. If it is that important then I will go somewhere else and speak of your censorship.
Aren’t you innocent until proven guilty supposedly. Then why all the anger directed to someone who has not even been charged? If you want to blame someone blame the parents for sponsoring a trip for a teenage girl to a party island. Perhaps she was just unable to hold her liquor and is now fish food by no fault of anyone except hers, high tide and her parents. Maybe the reason they are so angry is they feel guilty. It’s always easier to blame others than to take responsibility for your own mistakes. When they find some proof then let’s attack until then stop making stuff up.
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SM: You are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not on the internet fool.
Coward boy Joran knows he is guilty. He also knows that the fix is in that’s why he has shot off his big mouth.
Why doesn’t this coward put his “innocence” where his mouth is? I am sure there is a court in the US that will take jurisdiction for this case. Why did he so pathetically fight against having a trial? Hmm? Cuz he knows he would be found guilty … the gutless, miserable excuse for a human.
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Pearl & 10061906 – who do you think wrote this below and do you agree? And if you don’t would you be angry enough to write a letter/email who did? It’s full of lies and should be addressed…if you believe as you do don’t ‘cha think?
“Aruba, where happiness lives, is truly a vacationer’s paradise. Located only two-and-a-half hours by air from Miami and four hours from New
York City, the island is ideally situated outside the hurricane belt and boasts year-round cooling trade winds and perfect weather with average
annual temperatures of 82 Fahrenheit and less than 20 inches of rainfall per year. Aruba serves up 27 luxurious hotels/resorts, championship
golf courses, sumptuous spas, vibrant casinos, extraordinary international cuisine, exclusive shops and boutiques, exciting land and water
activities, unique cultural to-dos, world-famous music festivals and events and more. The backdrop of a pristine tropical escape coupled with
the unforgettable hospitality of the islands people keep Aruba’s first-time guests delighted and its repeat visitor rate at 40%, the highest of any
Caribbean destination.”
#122…I agree!!!
# 124 – anne, check again…the update’s in.
Yo…Yo voice of Anita…it is so obvious when we hit a nerve, she looks like the mother of sexual approval….Her see thru blouses exposing her underwear is an indication of her moral values.
How many people would like their mother to look like you…….S***!!!!!
Susan, #120
Absolutely. Sometimes we type and click, then realize something could be said better. Hope you understood what I attempted to say was that everyday people (you, me, other monkeys,regular folks, etc.) who may not be “professionals” in deciphering fraudulent attempts at cover up, could see that the videos did not appear to really be a professional job in trying to fool anyone. I still maintain that these sand pigs act in a very childish manner, and believe they can fool everyone with minimal effort. Well they are dead wrong. I don’t give them 10 cents credit for being smart or acting intelligent. We will extract justice for Natalee if it takes a lifetime.
#116 1906
The lack of interest in assisting in searching for a lost girl last seen with you, or even clearing one’s own name, is indeed one of the most telling facts of this whole affair.
How many times have we seen other cases where people who eventually come to be convicted of a crime were initially completely unconcerned for the victim? Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson (not convicted or charge yet, but…), Mark Hacking, OJ – oh yeah, he was never convicted – the list could go on and on. These preditors are void of compassion.
I have to agree that any normal person who had done nothing wrong would have been right in the middle of the search from day 1.
#122 resolution
I wonder if Anita is an abused woman. If not physically, then she has at least been emotionally trained to play her role of loyal wife in a culture of males who have no respect for women, treat them like ojects or animals, display no compassion, love only themselves, live for their lust, etc., etc. I’m not making excuses for her. It appears that she has fit into her role well…
# 132 – Bob, Thank you for clearing that up
I’m not so sure those idiots painting the rocks were professionals. They looked more like convicts on a detail. The Aruban/Dutch officials have not never displayed the first ounce of “professionalism” from day one. They’ve never fooled me, as well as so many others. I started screaming “foul” early on in the case.
Bob,
My reference to “professionals” was somewhat tongue in cheek. They are professional liars, that’s all.
Bob (#133), If I read correctly what you are saying, then you seem to believe that the “Chicago videos” were a contrivance done at the instigation, and perhaps with the assistance, of elements of the Aruban government and law enforcement.
Is that a fair summary?
I really have no idea who did them, or who Shango was. But if Aruba was trying to manufacture this back-door diversion (if that’s what it was) …
then, once again, what is the motive in going to such lengths to convince people that Natalee is dead?
Once again, I find it most interesting that Aruba blunders in a very adolescent way, and yet insists time and time again that Natalee is dead … without producing any of the much-ballyhooed evidence.
The only constants are these:
1. Aruba has insisted that Natalee is dead.
2. Aruba has shown itself to be deceitful, incompetent, malevolent, and devious.
Anyone else care to join me in thinking that Aruba’s continued bleating: “Yes, Natalee is dead; we’ve seen the evidence” (without producing any of it) is a good reason to adopt the hypothesis that maybe she is not dead?
Or at least that she did not die on Aruba at the end of May 2005?
“It’s always easier to blame others than to take responsibility for your own mistakes.” posted by 127
Sounds like you are referring to Joran. After all, he is the one who blamed his dog’s killing on someone else.
Now he is trying to blame Natalee’s death on someone else.
Innocent people do not repeatedly lie, refuse to call 911, and hide bodies.
Joran is far from innocent.
Wake up.
Let’s just face it folks, we got screwed…never did they want to solve this..just delay and give false information..over and over again…They don’t want to admit that they have sexual predators on their island…there is no crime there…we have hidden it for along time…Joran you exposed Aruba!!!! Your mother dresses and looks like a whore. Your father doesn’t even know how to zip his pants. Your all repulsive and I hope the independent people decide to do something about it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you, Susan.
“Your father unbelievable”
I just wanted to say that anyone who thinks that Joran and Company are going to be arrested, charged and convicted of this crime are fooling themselves. They know too much. The Arawak Nation is not going to allow Joran to speak about what, ultimately, happened to Natalee.
After the Something Bad Happened confession, they were ready to claim that Joran was insane and put him in an asylum. To this day, no one has seen or been allowed to read that confession. Just like both him and his father have said, they want to tell the truth, but it will hurt alot of people. I don’t buy into them WANTING to tell, but I do believe that a lot of people, important people tied with ALE, the Tourism Industry, as well as the Ministers themselves.
Our only hope is for Natalee to be found and to prove that she was sacrificed as a lamb for a cannibalistic Nation of spiritism and magic practicing pagans. Let the truth be known that the Prime Ministers ordered her death to be covered in support of his closely-held ATA and it’s associates.
Let the U.S. Government come to understand that this child was tortured and killed as a human sacrifice to nationalism, political clout and power and, then, the end will come for Aruba. Only an outside government with no ties to the death of Natalee can be objective. Until the Federal Government of the U.S. or the United Nations, themselves, are involved; Joran and Company will forever throuw salt in the wounds of the loving and caring people of the world…as well as in the faces of the ones that LOVED Natalee.
The Egomanic thinks its fun to have a nation of heathens protecting him, but it won’t be so funny when he gets extradited to the U.S. on Federal Charges.
And… that is what I think will happen.
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1906
Lastnight you brought up Carpes work on the body in the bag. I don’t mean to be rude, but the original body in the bad shows that there is something that looks like a plastic bag on the right side of her forehead and back portion of her head. I believe that it is possible that what he perceives as a missing portion of her skull is actually this bag. I am not convinced that the work done by Carpe is complete.
Personally, I like the first photo that was filtered, in which the injuries that you see on the body in the bush are also seen on the body of the bag…. as well as what looks like blood in the areas of those injuries… fresh blood.
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Richard:
If Aruba is insisting that Natalee is dead, I believe the door has been opened for the United States to conduct it’s own investigation.
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Justice for Natalee
Sorry for the mis-spells.
It’s late and I got a cold over the holidays.
I had a great time and I hope the time spent
with your loved ones was just as joyous…
Happy New Year!
May there be Justice for Natalee in 2008!
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Patti
yoyo why dont you come to the meetings any more ??? You where doing so well and you would of been cured by now
If Joran was extradited to the US that would certainly stand for justice. A plus for for the Dutch. Turn him over.
Joran your actions exposed Aruba…somebody is going to get your A~~S!
125 – there you go, yoyo. You are the explanation for why Aruba flounders in the spiral of indifference and depravity! You don’t need any help with your downward spinning, yoyo. You going down all on your own.
No need for anyone to spin for you, because you can spin yourself lower than anyone here could ever take you. It’s from whence you spin, that causes the skin to shiver, yoyo. The dishonesty is right out of hell. The weather report you surfaced, yoyo in your 128 post – … did Aruba have to pay maxi-millions for that? We already know all about your hurricanes.
Hurricane Anita, Hurricane Paulus, Hurricane Joran, Hurricane Deepak, … (couldn’t alphabetize them all for you yoyo, but surely you’ll have time for that with your tanking tourism).
125 – Is that your best shot, yoyo? You couldn’t do better than that? Careful yoyo, your indifference to Natalee’s painful victimization is showing.
Clearly, you aren’t on the paying end of the writing hacks for Aruba, of course, if you are – then surely they should re-think whatever it is they are paying you. For you forgot to include her in your delusionary view of Aruba, you know “THE GIRL” … – Natalee, the child that Joran confessed to the “killing” of. Remember?
You seem to have left out a very critical point, yoyo to all of Aruba’s corrupt obstructions of justice,depravity and the violence inflicted upon Natalee Holloway. You remember Natalee, don’t you? – NATALEE HOLLOWAY, the child that the predators victimized, that the Aruban police re-victimized, her family that Aruban officials re-victimized, and all the horrific immoral acts of depravity inflicted upon her and her beautiful family.
But, I’m glad Carla and the Quinn and Co, are getting a real eye full of just what Aruba has to really offer to tourists, via your commentary, yoyo.
But hey! Just think: we haven’t even begun to talk about that 2006 report put out by the WTO
( oops – Didn’t you know yoyo? Apparently, after Africa, the CARIBBEAN ranks as the second highest hit HIV infected area in the WORLD.)
YES, yoyo. THE WORLD. Could that be the reason that Aruba FAILS in reporting its HIV rates, yoyo? I think you forgot to add that little detail to your “tourism credentials” yoyo.
But, here it is for you.
Maybe you should send it on to Quinn and Co. because your thinking seems to indicate that they lack moral integrity and ethics, so maybe you’d like to share this truthful information with them, about the Caribbean, and test out your theory. See whether they include it in the next brochure put out about Aruba’s “happy – safe” motif. Make sure you ask them to include the principals of full disclosure, and any standards and guiding principals of the Tourists Bill of Rights when they mention what happened to Natalee Holloway… ( if there is such a thing as a Tourism Bill of Rights, yoyo).
“The Caribbean is heavily affected by HIV/AIDS. AIDS is already the leading cause of death in the 15-44 year age group. With an overall prevalence of approximately 2.11% among adults, the Caribbean is the hardest-hit region in the world
outside sub-Saharan Africa.”
You know, there are some very creative people here at Scared monkeys. And you know, I bet one of them would love to put out a THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA BROCHURE. These “REAL TRUTH” brochures could be left at all the airports, libraries, college campuses, supermarkets, … I’m sure the more creative monkeys could come up with a lot more ideas than I can, yoyo.
Maybe you can fill the Quinn Co. in on this very truthful detail about the Caribbean, since you seem to believe that the Quinn company approves of all the savagery and depravity on that island that was inflicted upon Natalee Holloway. What a cruel and bizarre comment for you to make, yoyo.
Now, that information about the HIV infection rate – that seems to be something that every college student across the world needs to learn about with regard to the Caribbean…that the Caribbean ranks as the second highest HIV infected area in the entire WORLD. …and while those college kids are learning this, maybe someone should also tell them about the very interesting fact that Aruba seems to not participate in coughing up it’s HIV infection rates. Hmmm. Is that because you don’t want young college students learning about the HIV infection rates going on in a country that is propelled into the downward spiral of its own doing?
IS that why Aruba doesn’t keep HIV stats, yoyo?
Is it because you don’t want the wretched ugly truth about how children are brutally violated in criminal acts of sexual depravity, and all the “tourism victimization of sexual assault and murder trade” that you’ve got going on there to be exposed, or the “lover boys” predators you’ve got freely roaming on those beaches, so that you’d rather just not post those HIV – TRANSPARENCY numbers along with all the real reasons for the victims who survive “no corpse, no case” victimization, – but who end up with the “suicide” stamp to their death certificate?
I guess the lack of HIV rates is right up there with the falsification of statements given by the family of murder victims, and the tampering with evidence that goes on with those mattresses that show up in the same area where those innocent black guards came from, and that “let’s wait ten days while we string along some innocent black men” charade that your police employ as their “strategy” in “investigating” a murdered child.
Sometimes the criminal acts inflicted upon ONE CHILD – Natalee Holloway, will indeed open up the pandoras box to all the other vicious cruelty that Aruba has allowed to be inflicted upon all the rest of the innocent children on that island.
When did you lose your conscience, yoyo?
How is it that you have grown into a cold, hardened monster who feels nothing for a child so brutally and savagely murdered?
And where were you, Rog 127 – when Joran confessed to the “Killing of Natalee Holloway”? And the “leading police to the location of the body” episode? And the twenty different versions of his hideous “drop off” false statements?
Did you forget those little details in your “innocent until proven guilty” mantra?
Your viciousness is captured quite well through the cruelty of your language.
As I recall, there was another thug in Aruba who – when threatening Beth Holloway’s life, told her that she would be “cut up into fish food”.
Do you recall that, ROG? How chilling that you would choose to use the same language to refer to her precious baby, Natalee. Are you trying to tell us something, Rog?
But maybe you know what’s behind the use of hotels, in the tourism sector for the purpose of aiding predators in targeting American children for the purpose of raping them.
Or maybe you have a good inside track on those drugged drinks that get served at tourist attractions there in Aruba.
Know anything about that, Rog?
How about the pictures that were taken …
Were you in any of those photos, Rog?
You seem particularly hostile towards Natalee.
They took her voice from her, Rog.
Is that why you refer to her as “fish food”?
Tell us, Rog: why do you use that term when you are speaking of a innocent child?
Did Dompig write your script, or was it Jacobs, or Van der Straten, or one of the others who re-wrote Beth Holloway’s statement in her painstaking attempts to find her baby?
Tell us, Rog: what kind of immoral man can put on a policeman’s uniform, and then proceed to send a loving father into a garbage pit, knowing his beloved daughter isn’t there?
What kind of a woman writes a letter to a head of state to pose questions and hideous remarks about the mother of a brutally victimized child ?
Is there no sense of morality or ethics in Aruba?
Do you feel no shame or embarrasment in your vicious, heartless remarks that you toss around like daggers into the hearts of those who loved Natalee Holloway?
What governs this level of depravity, Rog?
What brings you here?
Why are you here? For whom? For what?
You will never twist Natalee into your depraved, immoral, cowardly vicious remarks.
Her truth is coming and there’s nothing you can do to silence this child’s truth, or her cries for justice.
Why are you afraid of a little girl, Rog?
Why does her truth terrify you?
Here’s something for you to meditate on, Rog….
Play with this: xantoeitird
God bless all you beautiful monkeys!!!
Crews Nearing End of Search for Natalee Holloway
Tuesday, Jan 01, 2008 – 11:19 PM Updated: 11:34 PM
By Jennifer Hale
ARUBA: A deep water search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway is nearing its final stages. Since December 15th, an oil exploration crew from south Louisiana has used sonar equipment to scour Aruba’s ocean floor looking for Natalee. Once that’s done, the crew will concentrate on watching all that video, and then deciding whether human divers should go down and re-inspect any of the objects.
At night – when Aruba’s waters are calmer, the crew of “The Persistence” drags sonar lines behind the boat, mapping out what’s on the ocean floor. it’s been tough going- especially when old fishing gear gets tangled in the sonar lines. Another challenge- Aruba’s strong ocean currents. The currents kept pulling the robots off course until the crew gained more control over the robots by weighting them down.
Crew member Kyle Kingman is keeping an online blog. He writes: “The stress is intense… inside we all hope and pray tomorrow goes perfectly.”
Since Sunday December 29th, robots called “ROV’s” are diving down during daylight hours and shooting video of the objects detected by sonar equipment.
In Tuesday’s latest blog entry, Kingman writes:
“The seabed appears lifeless and void. As the ROV touches down onto the deep seafloor…a cloud erupts. As the silt settles in the darkness…the ROV is in total solitude, stillness and cold…It is a relief to have it back on board “The Persistence” in relative safety.”
The crew of “The Persistence” realizes there’s no room for error. Aruba’s sea floor is full of wrecked ships and other unsolved mysteries. The crew is still confident they’ll succeed. Kingman writes:
“The…sonar data reveals the seabed as if it were a scroll…The numerous ROV dives are the rosetta stone for reading the great manuscript.”
“The Persistence” is searching a stretch of the ocean floor about the size of Manhattan. They’re working on the last section of that area now. The crew of “The Persistence” hopes to solve the mystery of Natalee’s disappearnace in the next few days.
@brie..nice insults..very mature…
and for the extradite of Joran…want him gift wrapped?
I will expand on what I said about pvds “participating in the entire ordeal”…and I’ve said it before. I am convinced that pvds was the ring leader that horrible night, from the casino, perhaps picking Natalee out,(didn’t he have to play ‘judgie’ the next a.m.?),to participating in the gang rape. Think about it, it all happened while Anita was away, he was busy withdrawing $ at 4:00am (what in the world is he doing up that late/early – didn’t he have to play ‘judgie’ the next day?), the infamous “no body, no case” statement, sending Beth on a wild goose chase to another casino, only to return to see the boys back @ their house, looking up the effects of drugs/alcohol…..well the list goes on and on as we well know, but you get the idea.
Pvds would not sweat so profusely because of his son’s & friends actions, it is his own that he was worried about. He has the goods on others, which has led to this cover up. This is not to say there are not others in higher places that weren’t involved either, which is most likely the case. Anita is a FOOL to say the least, and is definitely aiding & enabling. I do not think this is the first time pvds has been involved in these gang rapes, video making, and whatever else. Anyone notice he is never interviewed?
Remember Deepak’s statement…”your own father – unbelievable”. That SAYS IT ALL!
oh, while I am on my rant…as far as you people that keep saying, no evidence, innocent until proven guilty, etc., please do not insult our intelligence. OK? You KNOW evidence was destroyed & altered and you KNOW they are not innocent. I was born at night, but it wasn’t last night. You are actually not even worthy of my fingers typing this! Now go play somewhere else – I am busy.
#144….LOL
There are a few things I regret as we travel along this dusty road of Aruban government’s lies, corruption, and injustice.
At times I thought Patti may be going a little afield with the Arawak – cannibalism theory. And by the way, NO THEORY is any better or worse until truth prevails and is either proven or disproven. That said, I agree there is something far beyond the obvious cover-up on that sand pile. Her theory holds some water IMO.
What I regret is that a no-account shit-ass 6th rate former cheap money vacation destination has hidden behind a veil of lies that has thwarted justice in the eyes of the world.
I also regret that the USA did/could exert appropriate influence to provide on site FBI assistance, and a field team of US Navy Seals to handle ‘visits’ to the resident Aruban/Columbia drug dealers on the hill.
I do also agree with several monkeys who have expressed their opinion that something more sinister than the coverup of Natalee’s demise exists. The government is supremely aware that if/when the “secret” is found, Aruba will be shunned by the entire world. It’s only a matter of time, and the clock is running.
#152 Bob, US & Dutch are working together in the anti-drug scene (for some time).
Pearl – I didn’t read a thing you wrote, but the passage in #128 was written recently by…you guessed it…Quinn & Co. So if ya got a problem with it, contact them.
I keep reading about a picture of a body in the bushes, but i’ve never seen this photo. Can you send a link to it?
yoyomuffin
she writes lots of bs anyway
same as that girl who named herself after a smelly French cheese.
Anita, your own husband – unbelievable!
#149…not necessary to gift wrap him…just put a belt around his neck and drag him on over! You know, like the photo shot!
dolf…some people have a swiss cheese brain!
Just got off the phone with our contact in the State Dept…told him how many ppl have gone missing besides Natalee. The travel site is up for review now, he said he will read up on Amy, Max, Paul Benson, and of course Natalee. What an idiot to not know abot Amy or Max….told him to read inside the forum on the crime thread…his name is DREW HALDANE and his NUMBER IS 202-736-4996. Call him please….I told him how MOS HANS said on CNN that on the computers they found info as to what they do to tourist girls{AMERICAN} he said he will check that out also….CALL and make a difference.
Pearl….I read everything you post, it is always written so eloquently….continue on dear lady!
#156 Luara
It is from one of the Chicago videos. Hopefully someone can provide you a link. I have looked at it a number of times and just can’t see it. I did beleive at one time I could see an arm or a leg being wrapped in plastic by a guy in video 8. I’m not so sure anymore.
A lot of these pictures are very subjective to look at. I am certain I saw the devil in the smoke in pictures from 911, but some people thought that was just rediculous. Whether it be clouds, ink blots, smoke or Chicago videos, the mind can do strange things. We should keep an open mind, however, to the idea that it is possible that some people see real things that others do not.
My point is that we all have ideas about what happened. Many have differing ideas about various pictures, statements, etc., but we should continue to support one another even in disagreeing. We all need to keep up a full court press in our own little area of belief, stay open-minded, and hopefully if we keep shaking the tree Justice will fall out from one place or another.
Aruba, we will not give up on Natalee!
Are you an a~~hole? Is you behavior hurtful, self-centered or particularly abrasive. Viewed by people as being stupid, useless or meaningless, similar to wankers.
If my intention was to pick up a female and drug her then me and my friends have sex and play with her; why would I take her to my house? I would take her to my friend’s house and say it was mine. If she knew she was going to “MY HOUSE” and something happened that she wanted to press charges and describe my house and what went on inside; the best way to discredit the victim is take her to some one elses house and say it is mine. I can then deny that any thing happened because where you described what happened; is not my house.
I will prove it to you; see my house is not like you described.
If the intention was to have sex with Natalee and not premeditated murder; I would not take her to my house. That leaves about four or five possibilities.
That would be Keon’s, Geoff’s, Lorenzo’s, Stephanie or the Lion’s Den.
Brie, I’m thinking we must be hitting on a very uncomfortable nerve.
Kind of like that “bank deposit” made by Paulus,that has so many unanswered questions surrounding it.
But look! Yoyo is in a dither, and Dolf is obsessed with the reek of smells that stems from the foul oder of corruption, Brie.
But isn’t that just like the two of them?
Blame the foul depravity on ANYTHING but what it IS and WHERE it comes from!
Just like they blamed Beth, Dave, the FBI, the MEDIA, now all the MONKEYS!!!
I guess that HIV – SECOND IN THE WORLD RATE, and the notion of TRUTH IN DISCLOSURE, was a little too much truth in one sitting for yoyo.
Brie: Do you think that tourism agents should be held accountable for disclosing travel destinations that have the SECOND HIGHEST HIV RATE IN THE WORLD?
Don’t you think that travelers have the right to be informed that the area they are considering travel to has the SECOND HIGHEST HIV RATE IN THE WORLD?
Maybe it’s me, but I think somebody ought to lobby Congress about establishing some laws that PROTECT and INFORM AMERICAN TOURISTS.
It just seems to me that it would be reasonable that if travel agents can offer all kinds of notions about LIES – that in Aruba’s case they try to propagate on Americans, the very LEAST that Americans should be able to expect is the TRUTH from their USA travel agents.
I think that travel agents ought to be required to disclose the truths about travel destinations to their potential customers. TRUTH IN DISCLOSURE. Like in Natalee’s case… we know who the last 3 men were who led her into a car, who admitted to raping her, who even confessed to KILLING HER. Should Americans have access to full disclosure concerning decisions about travel, as it relates to their SAFETY and WELL BEING?
I think they should have such access.
What do you think, Brie?
What’s the matter yoyo?
You don’t want to share that HIV report in your Aruba is “safe and happy” brochure, where along with other claims, you suggest that Quinn and Co. approves of the criminal conduct inflicted upon an American tourist named Natalee Holloway?
Why are you so afraid of the truth, yoyo?
Do you need to run and hide from it?
Where do you go when you hide, yoyo?
Who do you run to?
Imagine: the Caribbean has the second highest HIV rate in the WORLD,and Aruba isn’t interested in tracking the number of cases reported.
Just like Aruba doesn’t like to keep track of suspected murderers statements that end up getting “erased”.
Just like Aruba doesn’t like to call a CONFESSION to the “killing of Natalee Holloway” – a CONFESSION, so, it gets changed into “SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED.”
Just like Joran Van der Sloot who still hasn’t made up his mind about how he got home.
Just like Paulus Van der SLoot who can’t figure out what time he left the casino or picked up his son.
Just like Straten who pushes that Natalee could have come into the hotel some “other way” while knowing that’s impossible, because she was never dropped off in the first place.
Just like Karin Janssen whose got all kinds of reasons to hold 2 innocent black men, but can’t seem to arrange for a line up for them to clear them of the false accusations made by Joran, Deepak, Satish and PAULUS – the mastermind of lies.
Just like there were no follow up questions to that Holiday Inn LIE MEETING that PAULUS conducted with: Joran, Deepak and Satish – which directly implicates HIM in the premeditated acts of RAPE, and MURDER that the prosecutor was very quick to apply to innocent black men.
Just like the lying police officials who can’t seem to explain why they never were interested in creating any timelines for JORAN, PAULUS, DEEPAK and SATISH – even though police knew by May 30th, that Natalee was NEVER dropped off at her hotel.
And you want to blame Beth..
And you want to blame Dave …
And you want to blame the FBI …
And you want to blame these good monkeys who can take you up and expose you out in the open on ANY of the depraved, immoral lies told – while a little girl was lefts to the hands of Paulus Van der Sloot to be violated and desecrated?
You have no consience.
You cannot be trusted with the lives of tourists!
Put all the false statements made by Arubas notorious criminals who Aruban police allow to inflict criminal acts upon unsuspecting tourists, -put all the criminal suspects’ lies into your next brochure,(if you can fit them in), on “THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA”.
Concerning JORAN being extradited, Dolf – what makes you think we’re talking about Joran?
Did you figure out yet who that man is sitting next to Natalee Holloway at the Casino table, who somehow was able to bi-locate himself on May 29, 2005?
Here you go, Dolf – this one’s for you:
TMIETAREDEPPEARDNADRUMRE !!!!
Do make sure to tell Karin Jansen, as she flips quicker than a pancake, for she was very happy with this view on June 6, but apparently not on June 10. What changed in four days, Dolf?
“The Caribbean is heavily affected by HIV/AIDS. AIDS is already the leading cause of death in the 15-44 year age group. With an overall prevalence of approximately 2.11% among adults, the Caribbean is the hardest-hit region in the world
outside sub-Saharan Africa.”
Now do tell us Dolf and yoyo: IS there a TOURISTS BILL OF RIGHTS THAT EXISTS that AHATA subcribes to?
Should someone put together a nice truthful brochure about the REAL TRUTH about HOW ARUBA TREATS TOURISTS?
I think that might be a great project for some monkeys here who know how to put brochures together, Dolf.
Maybe you can contact Quinn and Co., yoyo and ask them whether a TOURISTS BILL OF RIGHTS EXISTS?
Then, after you ask them, perhaps you can contact your AHATA PEOPLE – and ask them, along with Mr. Pesquera? He might know.
If one doesn’t exist, maybe we can find out if one exists in the USA. Maybe we should inquire as to whether MR. Pesquera subscribes to a TOURISTS BILL OF RIGHTS.
Natalee’s human rights were violated in every conceiveable way that they could be violated.
SHE HAD RIGHTS THAT WERE SAVAGELY VIOLATED.
This child’s suffering cries out for justice!
Natalee deserves a just investigation; untained by immoral men and women, uncontaminated with the corruption that is rampant in Aruban law enforcement.
CHILDREN DESERVE HONESTY, INTEGRITY AND JUSTICE!!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
#163 PAT
I have looked at video # 8 probably 20 or more times and cannot see anything clearly enough to make out any kind of body part at all. I can see what appears to be a redish color on one of the rocks, but I’ve heard numerous people talk about a body in the bushes and if it’s it vidoe # 8 I just cant see it.I wonder why mos never found out what the hell went on at the rock site with all the painting and mysterious behavior.
#161..Vicki…we all need to call, Aruba should NOT be a destination for American’s. They kill our own!
165…..1906, Does anyone ever come out of the Lion’s Den? Is that the one-way street for Natalee?
Drug kings with fenced in properties look like no-way-out party locations.
molly in houston
I have been reviewing Joran’s interviews with Greta and Chris. First comment is that they are both on ego trips requesting emails and comments on what viewers think. Interesting they don’t ask specially about a topic; just since you have seen my show what do you think? I personally think they suck because neither have asked the right questions.
It is very obvious that at any time Joran is asked a question where the name Natalee could be used in the response; it never is. He can never say her name.
This leads me to believe the time he spent in prison was not for detention and questioning by the KLPD. It was a re-programming session because he was ready to confess. He may have been on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
It was a word disassociation session. In other words just block out the name Natalee Ann Holloway. He immediately goes into “you know, you know” mode OR “I mean— I mean” mode and never answers specifically any question.
Perfect example.
Q. “What’s your theory, what do you think happened?”
A. I mean, I’m not going to—I mean—I have 20 theories of my own theories. I mean, I’ve thought so many things that could have happened. I mean—but I’m not going to—-All people have done is speculate and say what I think happened, either”.
Q. “Think its going to be solved?”
A. “I think it will be solved. I think….”
Q. Why?
A. “Because theres—there’s— I mean, it has to be solved, for everyone involved. I think Aruba is doing everything they can to solve it, and I think it will be solved. I really believe deep down inside that it will be solved.”
Q. “Is Natalee dead or alive?”
A. “I don’t know. I mean there’s nothing…”
Q. “What do you think.
A. “ There’s no evidence at all to prove anything, not to say she’s alive and not to say that something happened to her. I mean deep down—deep down inside, I don’t think—I don’t think she is alive anymore. But I mean, there’s every—anything could have happened. Anything could have happened. I mean I really don’t know.
DEEP DOWN INSIDE I DON’T THINK SHE IS ALIVE ANYMORE.
(Deep down inside where she is he doesn’t think she is alive anymore)
He never mentions what has to be solved. He never mentions that they must find Natalee to prove he was not lying. And he never ever mentions her name.
He also contradicts himself in a later part. One interview he and Natalee were never in the water. Another is they took off their shoes so they would not get sand in them. Another time he says they take them of to walk through the water.
(Which was it).
I don’t know Steve Croes so I don’t know why he would come as a witness.
No; Deepak and Satish don’t know him either. Well if all three don’t know him then a fourth had to know him and paid him to say he saw the three of you drop off Natalee. No one ever questioned S Croes or maybe they did and we will never know.
So with theses two contradictions we can probably eliminate the beach because he can’t remember if the lie was in or out of the water. He can’t remember who was with him. She was drunk. She was not drunk. She fell down numerous times as we walked on the beach. She became unconscious so the third time she did not wake up so I left her there. I wanted to go, she wanted me to stay. She did this for me and I washed my hands in the water. I left my shoes, she left her sandals. Satish picked me up. I walked home. Deepak came and got me.
And we can probably eliminate the Holiday Inn also as there is no evidence or witnesses that can say Natalee was ever brought back to their hotel.
I really would believe this guy, I really truly do believe him IF my name was Charles Manson.
#166 Pearl, I am sure that people would be furious to be internationally named an HIV location. Houston was not happy to be named one of the fattest cities. However, it is true. It would be a responsible idea to have warnings for different locations. Many vacation spots expect for tourist to “relax” and “hang loose”, etc. All that means is, sleep and drink with the locals. So crime warnings, disease warnings, etc. would be very helpful. If vacation spots don’t like their rating, then they should change. Be responsible for who you are!
Boycott Aruba, if you have any sense
molly in houston
Very wise words from Bob (#153):
“NO THEORY is any better or worse until truth prevails and is either proven or disproven. That said, I agree there is something far beyond the obvious cover-up on that sand pile.”
For two and a half years, this theory or that theory has gained prominence, credence, but has never been proven.
They took her to the Fishermen’s Hut.
They took her to the lighthouse.
They took her to the beach.
They took her to Joran’s apartment.
They took her to the PvdScum house.
As in politics, ideas come and go … are in, are out … and never is there a solution.
I’m not trying to sound profound here, and probably couldn’t if I tried. But the facts are, at least up to now, no trace of Natalee has been found on Aruba.
No trace of Natalee has been found in the water.
(That may change very quickly, but it hasn’t yet.)
Conclusion? We cannot rule out that she was taken off the island … though we can, I think, rule out that she went voluntarily. The same with Amy Bradley.
What evidence do I have for this argument? None whatsoever. But what Bob said is what I believe: we can’t rule anything out until we know the truth (though some ideas possibly are more plausible than others).
Here’s something that might matter a lot more:
WHAT WILL WE DO IF THE WATER SEARCH TURNS UP NOTHING?
Maybe this should be the topic of posts from now on. There’s no point in my posting what I think happened, or in anyone else’s doing the same, unless new facts come into play. After two and a half years, what is served by theorizing?
#149–
I hate getting just 1 present. Could you split it up into 2 or 3 please?
How could Joran take her to his house when he said he was an exchange student staying at the Holiday Inn. Maybe Natalee didn’t hear that! But Lee, Natalee’s friend said Joran met them on the beach the day before they were suppose to leave. I introduced my false self on the beach, I arrived at the casino and I went to Carlos ‘ Carlie’s.
Joran’s parents are so ultimately irresponsible. Anita exposes herself with disgusting clothes. Paulus looks like ride hard and put away wet.
Straaten you gave Joran an option…go to prison or a mental institution…we’re waiting!!!!
Dolf (#154) says that the U.S. and Dutch have been working together “for some time” on anti-drug campaigns.
Take a look at the stories of how Dutch sailors on these same anti-drug campaigns have been found with heroin or cocaine that they were trying to bring back to the Netherlands and sell.
Of course Aruba is “working with us” on the anti-drug campaign. What does this get them?
1. (probably) covert aid galore.
2. the reputation of being a “reliable ally”; good for attracting business and all that.
3. insight into what we’re doing, and where.
In other words, it’s like what I think goes on in China when they have a “crackdown on drugs”:
they slam the guys who don’t have the right political connections, and only reinforce the network of drug traffickers who are tied in with the guys in power.
I’ve always thought that PvdS was the hand-picked boy of some drug trafficker. Consider his reputed ties to Venezuela and Colombia. Consider that a judge would certainly be a useful person for the drug traffickers to have on their payroll.
And as I’ve posted before: drug trafficking and human trafficking go hand in hand. Nobody who has studied the issue disputes that.
Very good connections for someone to have in case an inconvenient American girl, victim of an assault and possibly used against her will in a pornographic filming, has to be disposed of.
“I would do anything for my son.” (Comment of PvdS to Dave Holloway.)
I can imagine.
Aruban authorities…get a grip..we are not buying anything you throw out to us…..your island is a non-stop!!!!
Brie (#174) … Once Natalee was in the car, they could take her wherever they wanted to. The only issue was getting her in the car. They were so sure of themselves that they even stopped to let Deepak run into, and immediately out of, that other bar.
10061096 (#170) … Isn’t this comment by JvdS interesting: DEEP DOWN INSIDE I DON’T THINK SHE IS ALIVE ANYMORE.
To me, the “anymore” signifies that he’s talking about the time after Natalee was taken away from him. In other words, when he last saw her, she was alive. But probably not now.
To me, that seems to imply that he knows she was headed for something horrible. Of course, the whole thing might well be a total lie, and we’re only parsing words here … but if she were forced onto a boat or plane, or drugged, bound and gagged, and put in the trunk of a car … at THAT point, she was still alive.
Persistence will pay off!
They all want us to believe she is dead…but no one has any positive proof. It seems likely and unlikely. But until you produce a body…she is still alive.
Paulus knowns the answer!!!!
Klaasend: I did call the … in Birmingham office today and they have not open the emails yet.. but they are now aware of it.
BTW, the fire was in one of the mention location that was in the news 24ora, very strange, is it to make believe?
richard 172: And they did not find her on land. They did not search the whole island yet and I doubt that they will or ever permit a search again. So no matter were we speculate she might be; we will never be able to prove anything.
I’m sure that even if a confession by these idiots where to happen and they would say where Natalee is; nobody on the island would look there; guaranteed. Our only hope right now is the Persistence. If she is not in the ocean then it is back to square one. It’s a big world.
To put it another way, Brie (#179) … Until there is a body, nothing can be ruled out.
Remember Amy Bradley.
Remember Elizabeth Smart.
Remember Shawn Hormbeck.
More speculation on my part and no way to prove it.
While the four were sitting around the pool at the van der Sloot compound making up the Holiday Inn drop off story, they all felt that they had at least 24 hours to decide what to do with Natalee’s lifeless body. They didn’t know exactly what to do. They either had to get rid of the body permanently or try to distance everyone from her. Because Natalee sustained a head injury; they had to cover for it in case she was found. “When we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, when she got out of the car, she fell on the floor and hit her head.” “Yes, yes; that is a good explanation.” We can use that excuse.
But no one anticipated that Natalee’s family would fly down by private jet in less than the 24 hours.
It took Paulus 15 minutes to come out to greet Beth and the entourage.
He needed 15 minutes to come up with a plan to get everyone away from the house while Joran and Deepak would dispose of Natalee. If Paulus could get everyone over to the casino, then that would give Joran and Deepak about 40 minutes to dispose of Natalee. Forty minutes is not a lot of time to load a body, take it somewhere and return. There would not be enough time to dig a grave. The only area within 10 minutes from Montana would be the gold mine ruins. These are no more than 2 to 2½ miles or a little over 4 kilometers away.
When Natalee’s family retuned to the van der Sloots, Joran was already there. It was noted that Joran and Deepak were not dressed as if they were at a casino and besides their clothes were dusty and dirty.
And based on Joran’s thought prints; Natalee’s injury would be a deep laceration to her right temple. Joran better not be left handed. Who ever struck Natalee on the right temple did so facing her with the left hand.
Yes, Brie – 174…
Don’t you just love that “we do everything by the book” garbage spewing from Dompig’s mouth?
That’s “real” by the book, isn’t it, Brie!
Joran lies and portrays himself as a “tourist”, and an “Exhange” student, but Dompig and company can’t manage not one single question to these devils about their whole premeditative PLOT to KIDNAP Natalee and how they were able to take her to his house, when he was lying about being an exchange student! ( Jacobs: “We found their statements to be consistent.” Yeah, right. Consistently dishonest, consistently perverted and corrupt. Consistently diabolical.)
In other words, they are trying to pass off to the American public that there was no cause to ask any questions of a LIAR and his pals and his father – concerning any of this:
1. Drop off that never happened
2. Fake black security guard that never existed.
3. timeline – that warrented some HUGE explanations.
4. shoes that he can’t explain varying sizes for in relationship to his feet.
5. his deceptive portrayal of himself as an exchange student and staying at the Holiday Inn – yet, he claims he took Natalee to his house.
6. 1906 did a superb job pointing out the many inconsistencies of his lying mouth, including his “she was drunk”, “She wasn’t drunk” predatory remarks..that were reversed when his predatory mind realized it meant that he RAPED this poor child.
7. some major holes that seem to persit like where he actually went on Monday, May 30, among some other dates of interest.
8. some huge problems with his explanations as to what followed “after he left the casino”.
9. some other huge problems concerning daddy’s phone calls to him.
10. some other problems concerning the “I don’t know Steve Croes” or “GVC” bull.
11. some big problems concerning those drugged, raped girls who DO remember him!
And there’s plenty more. But the scoundrels who like to dress up in police uniforms and wear badges like Jacobs, Straten, and Dompig and let’s not forget KAREN ( the “I don’t need help, I do need help” prosecutor without a conscience who finds good cause to arrest two innocent black men, but can’t see any cause to bring in three liars and their father that she KNOWS is lying as early as May 30, 2005) – but none of them could string together a few questions to follow up on all the lies, the contradictions, the blatant dishonesty and depraved conduct. It is so deeply troubling, honestly – I can’t fathom that our State Dept. will be able to continue to allow Americans to go there without a warning. So, I’m just hoping that sound reason, and solid investigation by our FBI will indeed yield Natalee’s painful truths, which will mandate a responsible response from the United States.
Beth was so right! This is about MUCH MORE than Natalee Holloway and what the Aruban savage devils did to her. IT’S ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT THESE PREDATORS ARE LINKED TO!!!! ( AS ARE THEIR DECEITFUL JUDGES, GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, POLICE, AND ANY OF THE OTHER CORRUPT SCOUNDRELS WITH WHOM THEY COLLABORATE IN THEIR DARK CORNERS.)
It’s linked to the whole new area of ORGANIZED TERRORISM AGAINST AMERICANS that it appears – somebody sure as heck has links to.
But here, let’s let the real pros who have had to put up with this filthy, scandelous conduct speak for themselves concerning what they know about that region of the world, because afterall they are the experts, and the ones who have had to put up with this savagery for two and a half years, while watching the parade of depravity march through Aruba’s chamber of thieves and unconscionable men and women that Aruba refers to as a “justice system”, while they trampled on the human rights of a brutally victimized child, and her tormented suffering family, only to then assault THEM claiming that THEY are “insurance frauds, thieves, sluts, liars” !!!
From your United States FBI links:
The FBI has focused closely on strengthening relationships with international partners in the global war on terror and the fight against transnational crime.
In fact, the director of the FBI has traveled to meet colleagues in Afghanistan, Germany, Great Britain, Indonesia, Israel, Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan, the Philippines, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen, to name just a few countries.
He also made a visit — to the Caribbean.
The Caribbean?
Absolutely. For years, the FBI has investigated various crimes involving: cross-border fugitives and drug trafficking organizations, money laundering operations, human smuggling rings, and other criminal enterprises, working with those agencies that have partnered in cooperation with our agents.
More recently, the focus has shifted to terrorism — an important issue given the Caribbean’s proximity to our nation’s southern border and its offshore banking resources.
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So, here are two major truth-facts that we now have to put in our new “THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA” brochure:
1. The Caribbean region has the second highest HIV infection rate in the WORLD.
2. The Caribbean has become a new hot-bed for terrorism and is indeed being investigated by our FBI. And who was it that had to make multiple trips to the bank – all in the same day? Hmmm.
So many unanswered questions about Paulus’ “deposit”.
Now, let’s see … what were those great questions that Richards was asking concerning WHAT could be so dark, do damaging, so deadening to ARUBA, when the light of Natalee’s truth is exposed all over the hideous vulgarity that persists in Aruba that would cause Aruba’s tourism to never recover from?
Sexual violence against children, child porn kidnapping rings, human trafficking, drug cartels, money laundering, guests being shot and killed at local tourist attractions, guests being preyed upon with the knowledge of local police officials and hotel employees through the use of TOURISM ATTRACTION SITES, Tourism officials who openly confess to OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE through CRIMINAL COVER UPS of a brutally victimized tourist-guest who was a CHILD, suspects who CONFESS TO the KILLING OF A TOURIST – only to walk free, suspects who confess to what constitutes RAPE on a tourist – who again, walk free, guests being lied to by local predators who pretend to be tourists and exchange students in order to gain the trust of young unsuspecting innocent girls, guests being TARGETTED, DRUGGED, KIDNAPPED, GANG RAPED, AND MURDERED at the hands of predatory men with connections to some heavy duty underground INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL CONDUCT….like money laundering, terrorism, and any or all of the above.
SLEEP WITH BOTH EYES OPENED, PAULUS, STEVE CROES, JORAN, DEEPAK, SATISH, GUIDO, FREDDY AND COMPANY.
THE DARK OF NIGHT IS THE UNDERCOVER AGENT’S BEST FRIEND.
You crushed this child’s voice and snuffed out her precious life in the darkness of the night, and the depravity of your souls; now you will have to deal with the voices of millions demanding justice for her to honor her truth, her cries for justice that your corrupt ALE ignored.
Her name will be spoken, her cries for justice heard, her truths will be told, and her right to justice fought for – forever more, to honor her good name. You have no power over this child!
SHE CALLS THE SHOTS NOW! THE LITTLE GIRL, THAT YOU BRUTALIZED IS GOING TO SHINE HER TRUTH DOWN YOUR BACKS, FOREVERMORE!
Monkeys, we have to stand up for our children.
Natalee’s hope is what she can give forevermore, to all our children, through the light of her painful truths and suffering.
Stop evil predators from stealing and obliterating our chidren! I am counting on our FBI to nail these despicable monsters and devils.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
Pearl – you and Brie are hilarious. Do you have any clue how HIV is spread? Do you have any clue the # of islands in the caribbean?
Pearl – you never answered my question in #125 Pearl. What are you afraid of Pearl? Why won’t you answer Pearl?
Regarding the Chicago video’s the person(s) taking the video, one of them is a black female as we can see her tilt the camera downwards as she approaches the basin bin. She is barefoot…revealing her skin color and her toenail’s are manicured.
As far as the video taken at the rock scene you will notice the videographer is taping several auto’s in their approach to the rock scene and Carpe zoomed in on one of the car’s and identified Jipshit and Paules. Another car was obviously a police car and a red truck that had Police on the driver’s side door.
Remember it was announced that Natalee was dead and one of the suspect’s (pigs) was going to lead them to the crime scene the next morning. Giving whoever was interested enough to be up bright & early to keep an eye on where these police car’s/truck’s were heading to & began taping.
Thanks for the phone number Vicki!
(oops in my post above make that pedicured instead)
ROCK ON PEARL!
Quin (sp) and Co. are prolly just taking as much PR money from Aruba as they can get yip yap. It’s called capitalism but doesn”t mean people are going to want to go there.
Jossy has been very quiet lately..thought he was going to order a complete review of the case and (I assumed) print it in his paper…anyone heard or read anything?
… and speaking of writing, I quote below a reply from her Majesty, via the Director of her Office, in reply to a letter I sent to the Queen on November 17th telling her that a large segment of the America public were extremely upset by the way Natalee’s case was being handled, ETC.:-
Reply DATED DECEMBER 14, 2007 “HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS HAS INSTRUCTED ME TO ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF YOUR LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 17, 2007
IN ACCORDANCE WITH CONSTITUTIONAL PRACTICE IN THE NETHERLANDS, YOUR LETTER HAS BEEN FORWARDED TO THE GOVERNOR OF ARUBA.
YOURS SINCERELY,
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FOR THE DIRECTOR OF THE
QUEEN’S OFFICE
Much good it did!
Pearl (#184) … In your post up above about the FBI investigating Caribbean crime, did you say:
“human smuggling rings”?
Oh, come on … sure we know that drug trafficking and human trafficking are tied together (so are arms trafficking and credit card fraud, on a big-time scale) ….
And sure we know that Latin American is rife with these ….
But are you intimating that an AMERICAN GIRL could become a victim of this?
Come now … everyone knows that human trafficking, aka white slavery, is a myth. And besides, it can’t happen to an AMERICAN.
Not on a nice, safe island like Aruba (eight minutes by air from Venezuela; refuge for drug dealers).
Why, even Jossy Mansur said it couldn’t happen.
Why not? Because he’d never heard of it happening. What more evidence do we need?
(I guess he hasn’t read the State Department Web site and what it has to say about human trafficking in the Caribbean, and Aruba.)
For that matter, why hasn’t JvdS been prosecuted for drinking and gambling at casinos (more than one, evidently) while being under age?
I mean, Aruba could, if it WANTED to, go after the casinos for this and shut them down. Right?
If this happened in the U.S., and such publicity resulted, heads would roll. No doubt about it.
So why does Aruba just shrug it all off?
Klaasend: They now have it, its being reviewed
Their comment: Excelent Work.
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SM: Excellent news! (klaasend)
I have just finished reading Beth’s book, “Loving Natalee…” What a tragic experience for any parent. I could never say, “I know how you feel”, because I don’t. It just makes one want to fly to Aruba and choke someone…or everyone.
After reading this book, I cried. I called my own daughter every hour on her cell phone to ensure that she was “safe and sound”. You just never know, do you?
The book acknowledged the “Scared Monkeys” website, so I with this, I was prompted to write here with hopes that Beth or someone near her would read this.
My message is, FORGIVE them. One is always the victim until they forgive.
My message to Aruba, the van der Sloots and Kalpoe’s brothers….John 8:32 “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
If we follow the “yellow brick road”, we learn the truth about the WIZARD. Actually, he is no wizard at all. Only then do we realize that we have the power within ourselves to do what we have been trying to do all along…go home.
Follow the yellow brick road…there’s no place like home.
Love to Natalee and her family.
I will make sure that Joran got his day in Aruba Court and the USA Court.
Just enjoy these days because they are counted. What left is around 45.
carol armstrong: thank you for your words.
Everytime I have said I’m just going to forget this whole thing and throw in the towel: Something with the Wizard of Oz comes up as a reminder from Natalee.
Make this number seven
Satish..”something bad happened”…well tell us! Why can’t you! I don’t think you brothers are too welcome on the island to begin with. Surinam ex-convicts…..the perfect choice for Joran…!
Laura,
Here is a link to some of Carpe’s photo work. There is a huge amount of material there, so you will have to browse to find what you are looking for.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2232.0
You may need to ask Patti for the link to the specific picture of the bush, I never could see a body in it anyway.
I searched and could not find the Chicago videos, but I know they are here somewhere. I thought I saw an arm or leg being wrapped up at about 115-120 seconds (I think…) in video 8.
Klaasend: can you help us with a link to the videos?
Thanks
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SM: Yes, here is the link to the videos uploaded to google by poster Chicago_510. The actual name of the videos are the “aru-bay” videos from the aru-bay website they came from (klaasend)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4099719971643396692&q=Chicago_510_1
And here is the Index of Images, all that is left of the Aru-Bay website – you can still see the videos and many others there as well:
http://www.aru-bay.com/images/
Joran wants a trial..it won’t happen in Aruba…but it could happen in the US… why not? Send him over!!!!
Laura,
Check 134 seconds into video 8.
Having said that, I no longer put a lot of stock in these videos myself. I think they are more Aruban misinformation.
69: Anyone?
Does anyone know what may have happened to Fabienne, Joran’s girl on the beach from last year. It seems when anyone goes on the beach with Joran, they sort of disappear. Boy I bet Stef was pi$$ed when she saw them together..
carol armstrong; have you read “Secrets”?
In so far as those who would like to see Joran and his father extradited to the US. It won’t happen. Although a treaty exists between The USA and Aruba; Dutch Nationals are exempt from the treaty. I don’t know how to handle the Kalpoes.
I believe they are still citizens of Suriname and may fall under Dutch Juristiction. However;
we have Keon and Sander in our back yard in Dacula, Georgia. We don’t need a treaty for them. It would be interesting how the Gottenbos’ gained entry so fast.
Are they on a vistor visa or temporary work card? I hope they aren’t sucking up Georgia welfare(?)
Or did someone sponsor them? Obviously that other person is dutch and not a true American Citizen.
To 10061906:
Please don’t throw the towel in…keep clicking your heels…for Natalee…even if they are not ruby red. We are on your side – not matter what!
Love to Natalee and her family!
No. I have not read “Secrets”. Should I?
What was the reason taht was given for the Gottenbos’ coming to Georgia, was it that their father got a job there? I can’t recall. I wonder if the boys are in school? I feel like driving down there and smacking them. May have to gather up a few SC rednecks and take a road trip.
Joran, “I left her on the beach to disrespect her”…why would anyone want to disrespect Natalee…she rejected you because you were violating her..How does he get away with this?
I’m sorry I should have said “The Secret”.
I’m in between that and Dr Hodges “Into the Deep”.
Basically the secret is the positive binding force or attraction, in the universe. Almost like out of Star Wars. It is a compilation of different positive experiences.
185 yoyo – I guess you haven’t run the dreaded HIV infection rates for the Caribbean, by your advertising agents, have you?
How about the terrorist cell connections in the Caribbean, yoyo?
Did you get to do your homework yet on that?
Run yoyo, run if you can, but you can’t hide from Natalee’s truth.
Did you find out yet whether there’s a Tourists Bill of Rights, yoyo and whether Aruba subcribes to it?
Maybe that can be point #3 on the new and upcoming “REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA” brochure, soon to hit every local supermarket, library, truck stop, hair salon, college campus, you name it!
So, just for a re-cap yoyo, we have:
1. The Caribbean: number TWO highest HIV infection rates in the WORLD.
2. The Caribbean: the new hot-bed of terrorist cells, linked thru all those money laundering /drug trafficking rings you’ve got there yoyo.
3. Yoyo – maybe you can help with this next one.
Should we list the N. Korean nuclear weapons purchases going on off the profits from the drug trafficking / money laundering rings, and reference the information given by the U.S. FBI concerning terrorist activity in the Caribbean, or – do you think we should credit the Dutch police for disclosing this information about the N. Koreans and their purchases of nuclear weapons thru the drug trafficking / money laundering rings?
4. How about this next one for number 4 yoyo .. what do you think? ( try to keep up, there are many monkeys who already have quite a longer list than I have been able to come up with thus far, but I’m trying to catch up to them) … How about for number 4: we put up there the admission, by Aruba’s AHATA president -oops, former president, Mr. Pesquera and his acknowledgment to a room filled with witnesses of his awareness that a criminal coverup was engaged in by law enforcement officials in Aruba, concerning the horrific, brutal savage criminal acts of cruelty inflicted upon Natalee Holloway… Would that make a good number 4?
5. I’ve been thinking about number 5 yoyo, and I’m leaning towards the “Do it by the book” police procedures, as testified to by none other than Gerold Dompig, and here – we can point to the ten day “let them destroy all evidence, while framing two innocent black men, planting of evidence, lie to all Natalee’s family memebers traumatized by the savagery, leave Natalee – the victim to the hands of Mr. “Containment with the dead”, let the “witness a.k.a.suspects” perjure and re-perjure themselves with no consequence, the non-recording of actual testimony given while damaging statements that were recorded were destroyed, the Jacobs, Dompig and Straten can falsify statements team or misdirect the media crew, the lie to the media crew, the murderers can line up attorneys and prepare all false statements together, while eliminating the child they murdered” pass.
We can point to all those “by the book” actions taken by the Aruban police which then got portrayed as “botched” – PS: we’ll be sure to throw in the FBI stellar training that several received!!! (oops! … there goes the “botched” scenario!)
It’s a toss, yoyo between THIS being the next fact about Aruba, or using that famous “we are doing everything possible” line by Karin Janssen where she says: “I don’t need the FBI help”; “I do need the FBI help” ( a close runner up to the rapid changing pace with which Deepak, Satish and Joran in collusion with Paulus were changing their “drop off” lies but not quite as quick as they were), and here – we can point to how Karin wanted to “build up” an investigation, and specifically, we can show how “building up” to her means:
– not allowing the FBI to place their toes in the water, while telling the media that they were “diving” !!!
– not allowing the FBI to come within English-speaking distance of any – “interrogations”, as we all know they were all donut parties for Jacobs where he got to select the “language of the moment” for his ‘transcriptions’ he was making during his “statement collection” sessions)Papi today, Dutch tommorow, and let’s not forget that special one he did for Beth where he took ENGLISH, turned it into “DUTCH” … literally destroyed and erased what Beth said, and then – passed it back to her as “DUTCH” … months later.
Hmmm, that must be one of those “Tourists Bill of Rights” issues, that we’ll have to come back to.
– and one of my favorites: the “You can’t use that USA “voice analysis” technology here, because it might “interfere” with my “WORK”.
Again, I do apologize for this list being incomplete yoyo, but I’m certain that the wiser monkeys here will be able to develop this nice new “REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA” Brochure – much better than I ever could.
Now, yoyo – there’s one more point I need to make and I stand firm on this one. And that is: do you recall how Aruban police left Beth completely helpless and alone – for DAYS, never contacting the USA legat for her, despite her repeated requests for help? Well, do you think that would constitute a “TOURISTS BILL OF RIGHTS” issue for our new “REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA” brochure?
You never got back to me about whether there is such a thing yoyo, so .. I’m winging it here, and could use a little help and support from you.
Now, yoyo – don’t fret. I don’t want you to feel that your questions aren’t being answered.
It’s just that when you posted that weather report, (your 125), I figured you actually believed that you were “outside” the hurricane belt.
Which leads to a very important point: If you are stating through your advertisements, that Aruba is outside the hurricane belt, then I am going to assume there will be absolutely NO NEED for any “humanitarian” USA aid to Aruba for “hurricane relief”, since – afterall, you are not one of those Caribbean nations being impacted by the hurricanes, are you? And clearly, it would appear to be a violation of ethics for Aruba to collect any such funding from ANY sources, if in fact you are stating out of the other side of your mouth that you are “outside” the hurricane belt ( as you state in your 125 above).
Now, getting back to your problem being the NUMBER TWO HIGHEST HIV INFECTED REGION IN THE WORLD ….About that HIV rate, yoyo. Here’s what you need to do. Get your “Minister of Health”
( If Aruba has one), to attend to the issue of TRANSPARENCY through TRUTH IN DISCLOSURE in what you report to your people, and the world.
You see, your HIV infection rates are problematic to say the least because all throughout the Caribbean, individuals who are infected are going to other islands for treatment, because they fear how they will be shunned. Meanwhile, Aruba’s response is to post “N/A” ( not available) year, after year, after year – concerning your HIV INFECTION RATE. Now, at the very least, yoyo, VISITORS are entitled to KNOW and UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE TRAVELING INTO WHEN THEY TRAVEL.
It’s something fundamental to TRUST, yoyo.
It’s like – well, it’s like that massive violation of a tourists trust, that was inflicted upon Natalee. You know – where hotel employees were fully aware that Joran Van der Sloot preyed upon the hotel guests, but did nothing about it, and where Police officials were fully aware that TOURIST ATTRACTIONS were being used to TARGET TRAVELERS, through DRUG-SPIKED DRINKS? But no one did a thing to protect and honor the tourist’s trust. So, as you know, Joran – the predator, was able to sucessfully LIE TO NATALEE, telling her he was an “exchange student” while – the Aruban police decided to IGNORE THIS FACT, in addition to the fact – that with this information, Natalee had NEVER been returned to her hotel, as JORAN, DEEPAK and SATISH had ALL CLAIMED.
But getting back to those HIV infection rates – where, specifically, the CARIBBEAN is the SECOND HIGHEST HIV INFECTED REGION IN THE WORLD …I know this is a tough one for Aruba, but if you read any of the reputable papers like Jossey’s Diario, you’d already know that TRANSPARENCY is what’s needed.
Start tracking your HIV rates so you can do something about a very serious health crises in your region. Do you think that by NOT tracking and reporting your HIV infection rates, this will make your problem go away? (Maybe they are “fudging” your HIV infection rates, you know ..the way they “fudge” all the RAPES, MURDERS, while spinning the “happy-safe” motif.
And as far as TRUTH in disclosure goes, I thought you were going to forward all of this to the Quinn Co., which you accuse of supporting the barbaric cruelty inflicted upon an American tourist, that your own former AHATA president confirms was COVERED UP?
I’m going to have to try to find out whether or not there’s a TOURIST’S BILL OF RIGHTS, yoyo.
If there is not one already in existence, then I’m sure that we can get enough signatures from across the United States to get one going, and on the books.
I guess you didn’t want to research that, yoyo. I guess the reality might come crashing down and expose more savagery about Aruba, the way the sound of thunder announces a brilliance of glaring, explosive light that will follow.
Evil seeks to hide in darkness, yoyo – but, fortunately, there are brave, courageous men and women who make darkness their friend. And they figure out a way to draw from the darkness, all the snakes hiding under the rocks that seek to hurt innocent children, bring harm upon innocent people, torture and torment an innocent family, while insuring that IF THEIR DEPRAVITY IS NOT STOPPED, MORE INNOCENT CHILDREN CAN BE DEVOURED IN THE FUTURE. That is the REASON why the EVIL HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AND STOPPED, yoyo.
The undercover agents who work in the dark …They put their life on the line, and do their job because they actually believe in defending and protecting those whose lives they are charged with protecting and serving, believe it or not, they actually live lives that are governed by honesty, integrity, a passion for justice and truth, a respect for freedom and democracy, and in particular – they hold our precious children in a very special place in their hearts.
You don’t know men and women like that, do you yoyo? But I can assure you, you’ve so misjudged them! You have so miscalculated what they are made of!
If anyone has any good ideas about a new brochure: “THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA”, and what can be posted in there, maybe they can keep the ideas coming, and perhpas Klass or some of the other monkeys might be interested in keeping track of what everyone here can come up with.
I’m sure if we put our monkey brains together, we can do a fantastic job and give honor to Natalee’s truth all at the same time!
Richard, I do believe in the importance of maintaining a very much needed healthy tension, just so Aruba understands that we are never going to go away…YES BETH! WE ARE HERE TO STAY! WE WILL HELP YOU FIND YOUR BABY’S TRUTH! YES DAVE! WE WILL STAY BY YOUR SIDE!
I have the deepest respect for our FBI and their opinions, Richard as I also have for good, sound, reasonable questions and points that you and many others often make, which – I’m sure, has left Mr. Mos taking lots of Pepto Bismol.
As I have said before – concerning this area, I respsect the FBI’s keen sense, and believe them to be of good will, and honest, moral conduct.
The fact that the Aruban police now want to blame our FBI, the USA media, and even Scared Monkeys – tells me, those FBI officials must have hit on a nerve, that is causing the snakes to seek cover again under their rocks.
May God bless those brave heroes out at sea, seeking to give comfort and peace to such a beautiful child and her family who have suffered under such horrific cruelty for such a very long time.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
TJ 204: someone else may be able to explain it better. Koen was/is one of Joran’s closest friends. Quiet and shy around girls. He was questioned early in the case. Later the police wanted to again question him. His father, Alexander said no. That the police could not question him again. So they put their tails between their legs and left. Sander his brother lost/stolen his cell phone the day/night Natalee disappeared. Koen earlier in the day had asked Joran if he wanted to go out on his father’s motorboat around 11:00 AM. Joran said that boat rides make him sick.
Joran says he was never on Koen’s boat but Michael Dompig, the inspector’s son says that Joran was on Koen’s father’s boat that night. Michael was also the reason that Geoff van Cromvoirt of The Visibility Beach Security, was arrested and originally charged with Natalee’s death and subsequently sanitized and released. Geoff and Michael have boasted that “You would be surprised what we can get the girls to do when we tell them we are police officers.”
Dr. Hodges in his book “Into the Deep” insinuates that perhaps Keon or Sander or both helped Joran and Deepak place Natalee in a crab cage, took her out in their boat and dropped her into the sea.
Rumors had it that whenever the police would come around, Koen would hid behind a couch and wet himself. It was also rumored that for a while he slept with his parents. Start of bed wetting as a teenager is usually prompted by a truamatic experience. Seeing a dead Natalee and having helped dispose of her body would have been truamatic. I’m sorry I could go on and on with photos I have of these two, Michael and Geoff, with girls in the Holiday Inn guest rooms; but that is another story.
NOW IS THE TIME TO RELIEVE YOUR CONSCIOUS WHERE THEY PUT NATALEE. YOU ARE COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS HERE. DO IT FOR NATALEE AND DO IT FOR ARUBA. THE SHIP WILL BE LEAVING SOON. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING.
1906…Koen is definitely a person of great concern..Joran’s cousin and close friend…help me do this…if not, Koen could of been exposed of many things…
Let’s not forget about Freddy, a good friend of the family, neighbor and known porno freak…he was at the apartment that night along with Koen. He spends a lot of time with the Sloots. And they are very well aware of his background!
Joran says Natalee was in an out of consciousness ….so why didn’t you call 911 and get help! It’s because of what you did to her and didn’t want anyone to know! You scumbag..someday!!!
Right On, Pearl!
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As far as the Chicago Videos go:
Go the the Photo Evaluation thread in the Forum. The body in the bush is behind the painter in the upper right hand corner. She is lying on her belly with her left arm held above her head.
Look for what looks like the arm of the statue of Liberty… you can follow it down to her chest, her waist, hips where she is wearing a loin cloth, down her legs to her feet, where her ankles are rubbed raw with cuts and drops of blood from her fighting with the ropes that tied her to the rock.
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Death to the Arawaks
Boycott Aruba!
Quote from Above:
Evil seeks to hide in darkness, yoyo
- but,
fortunately, there are brave,
courageous men and women who
make darkness their friend.
And they figure out a way to draw
from the darkness,
all the snakes hiding under the rocks
that seek to hurt innocent children,
bring harm upon innocent people,
torture and torment an innocent family,
while insuring that:
IF THEIR DEPRAVITY IS NOT STOPPED,
MORE INNOCENT CHILDREN CAN BE DEVOURED
IN THE FUTURE.
That is the REASON why the EVIL
HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AND STOPPED
.
Pearl
(amen)
Anther example of a guy who chats up girls then turns into a babbling (Babylon) idiot when talking about Natalee
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186581,00.html
VAN SUSTEREN: Had you ever been to the beach before with Deepak and Satish?
VAN DER SLOOT: With them alone, no.
(W/other girls?)my comment
VAN SUSTEREN: So where did you park?
VAN DER SLOOT: If you drive by right by the last Marriott Hotel so we took a left and you can drive right to the end of the road there and we stopped there, so you’re basically still at the hotel and that’s where — where we got out of the car and I told Deepak that “I’ll call you later to pick me up” and he said “OK,” and he left and we walked on the beach.
And, I mean there were people there. There were couples there on the beach as well. I mean we walked by other couples. It’s not — that beach is — it’s a very busy beach. There’s a lot of people there even at nighttime.
VAN SUSTEREN: On the beach you weren’t directly in front of the Marriott, you were a little bit north of the Marriott is that right, you call it the Marriott beach but you weren’t directly in front of the hotel?
VAN DER SLOOT: At that point, we were basically almost directly in front of the Marriott Hotel.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you cut through the hotel to the beach?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. You didn’t really cut because you’re right at the — the right side of the Marriott Hotel, all the way at the right. She didn’t really cut through — through the hotel but you were walking on the hotel property where there’s beach chairs and all that stuff.
VAN SUSTEREN: So, Satish — I mean Deepak just dropped you off.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And he was willing — he indicated he was willing to come back and pick you up at some point?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: He didn’t mind? He wasn’t going to go home and sleep for an hour and be annoyed by your call? He didn’t indicate like “Don’t wake me up” or anything like that?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: He had no complaints at all?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: What was your intention at that point to have sex with her?
VAN DER SLOOT: That was my, yes, that was my intention, yes. That was my first intention.
VAN SUSTEREN: And where did you think Deepak and Satish were going?
Well Joran if there were all those couples there how come no one has come forward as a witness to prove you and Natalee were even at the beach.
VAN SUSTEREN: What was your intention at that point to have sex with her?
VAN DER SLOOT: That was my, yes, that was my intention, yes. That was my first intention.
If sex was his first intention, what exactly would have been his second intention? Turn her over to someone else? Make her a slave? Who really knows because Greta never followed through with her question.
To everybody who claims Joran to be guilty : do your job and come with evidence. Since none of you is able to come with any evidence, you ´d all better shut up.
It were mister and misses Twitty who de-railed the whole investigation. Not the other way round. Maybe the vanderSloot´s are not so much liked among 50 Americans, the Twitty´s are HATED by millons !
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SM: You would hate someone who lost a daughter? How misguided a pathetic soul are you? You really are a sad example. I guess every one does serve a purpose in life … your’s is to be a bad example.
How narrow minded and small minded could you possibly be? If you do not think that Joran and Aruba is not despised by many millions, you are sorely mistaken. Just because one does not comment on-line does not mean they do not despise what happened.
JVDS is just as guilty as the rest of the suspects of other crimes and missing person cases where the last person with the victim committed the crime.
Get a clue and buy a vowel …
R
#213, Patti. Perhaps I’m just not good with a computer. I cannot find this. Post a link to that page/thread spot/video?
Laura,
Link to Photo Evaluation:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1066.0
I’ve looked at the pictures once again, and I don’t see what is described – not even a hint of it. Maybe someone can draw an outline and post it.
All I can say is the painter would have to be a cold blooded dude to be painting rocks with body parts laying all around him! Although, there is no doubt that many of the people involved in this are as cold blooded as reptiles. They also have no conscience.
# 217 – Pat in Alabama, I see a very poor quality frozen frame from the Chicago videos of man painting a rock with a bush in the background. I’d have to agree with Red, there’s nothing there. It’s amazing what folks say they can see, especially out of desperation to find something or someone…
It is wild how many people tend to overlook the bleedin’ obvious though. Two walloping, GIGOONDO, fat asses out sweating their balls off, in the dead heat of Aruba summer painting rocks and dirt WHITE.
-j4n
My bad on the post # – I was referring to post # 218 – Pat in Alabama, not Bob. My fingers and/or eyes don’t always function properly first thing in the morning…LOL.
Carpe, I must admit I did see what you refer to as “head # 1″, and it is a ghostly sight or as defined by one of the many definitions from Merriam-Webster:
ghost: a false image in a photographic negative or on a television screen caused especially by reflection
I can’t deny seeing the ghoulish image. I don’t agree entirely with the above definition. I see nothing false about it coz it’s not a negative…
We do agree on this though,
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
“R” and Klass – I just want to say that both of you do a fantastic job on this site. I appreciate all the hard work you do, and think you are so generous and kind to dedicate this time in trying to help Natalee’s family find their child’s truth and her right to justice!
Keep up the great work!!!
CARPE – What can I say? You dear Carpe are a blessing, and all the work you have done in seeking to listen for Natalee’s voice throughout all the despicable conduct that tried to bury her truth, and silence her voice forever – you forged right through the depravity, Carpe, and you came out in my eyes as a blessing, and an incredible bearer of Natalee’s hope! Keep hammering away, Carpe! Keep seeking her voice, and looking for her truth. She’s counting on you, and on all of us to not let her suffering be in vain!
1906 – Regarding EXTRADITION … I thought that you might be interested in this …
1906, you got me thinking about diplomatic immunity and whether Mr. Containment with the dead can indeed be extradited to the United States.
There are several factors to consider, however, I wanted to just post these two:
1. You have to be a diplomat, in order to be considered for the DI status.
Paulus VDS, Joran VDS, Deepak K, and Satish K are not diplomats; they are not heads of state, nor were they heads of state or working in any such capacity ( at least not on the books)at the time of Natalee’s murder, – therefore, none of them were ever a diplomat or head of state to the best of my understanding. There may be some who venture forth to claim that Paulus was “working for the state” ( yes! I’m SURE he was .. and in lots of ways – again, “off the books”) However, when they go to tell you that his work, constitutes membership as one protected through DI, I’m going to venture forth and say: I don’t think so!!
2. There are special circumstances where, when a serious crime is involved, this would warrant the exception to the rule of diplomatic immunity – which could even be applied to “heads of state”.
However, concerning true heads of state involved in criminal activity …many questions and arguements seem to come into play, but suffice for now to say the following…which, I hope leaves lots of buckets of sweat under the tables of several “heads of state” in Aruba.
“A Head of State could be tried in absentia (if national law allows such trials) and even arrested if on the territory of that state for private visits. Additionally, victims would be entitled to bring civil claims for the purpose of obtaining reparation and request measures of execution on the private property of that Head of State in the state exercising jurisdiction (even in other countries, pursuant to the mechanisms of judicial co-operation, where available).”
This seemed interesting to me because of questions concerning where Natalee Holloway was taken, to what property, under whose ownership, who witnessed the human rights violations being inflicted upon her, who else besides Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish were involved, and are there any heads of state involved in criminal acts inflicted upon Natalee or upon other children that we do not yet know about?
1906, it seemed very interesting to me that only recently, the United States has entered now in to full agreement with the Haague surrounding a specific treaty concerning children. Aside from the treaty itself, I thought it interesting, that the US was working in good faith and partnership with that Haague surrounding this newly forged partnership ( via a signed treaty), which will be fully in affect ( on the US end, some time in 2008, I believe).
Partnerships can point to many things taking place between nations, and given Paulus Van der Sloots complete failure at his attempts to become a “judge”, it could seem that a time-bomb may be ticking right under his nose, and he’ll be the last one to know it when it goes off!
One can only hope, 1906, because there are egregious issues of national security ( in my own view) that warrant that man be extradited and tried in the United States, preferably, in Alabama where Natalee’s voice can be represented through her God-given right to be heard!!!
You monkeys are a great bunch of justice advocates! Vicki: thank you for that phone number!!! I think you have lots of FANTASTIC IDEAS!!!! Keep up your advocacy for Natalee’s human rights, Vicki! You are a fantastic voice for Natalee Holloway, as are so many of you monkeys!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!!!
In response to the “no evidence” whining:
There is plenty of circumstantial evidence.
And we all know why there is a lack of forensic evidence:
Suspects had a ten-day headstart and search at VDS residence was limited
In addition, Natalee’s body has not yet been found.
There IS evidence. And there SHOULD be more forensic evidence.
Let’s face it: Natalee’s case could have been solved in a few days if the prime suspects had been arrested immediately and then
SEPARATED.
And yet Aruban authorities try to play dumb and say that “mistakes” were made. Yeah, right. The BIG MISTAKE was in trying to sweep the case under the carpet and think that they wouldn’t get caught.
223 – JusticeforNatalee – YOU are everything that J4N stands for!
NICE JOB!!!
PS: in addition to your excellent post, I would only like to add that along with the arrogance of the Aruban corruption force that thought they could get away with their despicable COVER UP, HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, they apparently also thought of this BEAUTIFUL, OUTSTANDING CHILD as “disposeable”.
Oduber: “This will all blow over in a couple of weeks”.
Blow over like what? LIKE IT DID 20X or MORE BEFORE?
I don’t think so, you manipulative, dishonest COWARD, who has the audacity make empty speeches about a child he claims will “blow over in a couple of weeks”.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
222 pearl. That was a lot of research. Thanks I only did a small cursiary check; it did not go into that much detail only that Dutch Nationals on Aruba were not included in the treaty..
I have two general questions;
Has anyone determined the location of the Chicago Videos? I had some previous notes I just found; does any of it look like this.
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1532290093076977973UnVLoN
http://www.flickr.com/photos/shanestroud/87777132/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbglasson/306521513/
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=367271460&size=o
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mediocre/407656909/
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=476001326&size=l
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1430187030&size=l
I just purchased a LG super multi media video to disc cd drive with frame capture capabilities, carpe how do you save the videos to a file. I want to do some research as you have done.
I can’t seem to download them.
Thanks
Post on Al Com Natalee forum says that Paulus and Anita have been spotted on the beach watching the boat!
226 – Kayjay, was Paulus carrying his sweat bucket with him? Did Anita have the mopping cloth with her?
There’s something really savage about a man that shows up on a beach to watch a boat of heroes, digging at the bottom of the ocean, for a child that HE refuses to speak about concerning HIS knowledge of WHAT was done to her and what happened to her. It’s all about HIM. It has always been about him.
Look what crawls out from beneath the rock to witness heroism on the shores of depravity!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!
Watching the boat? LOLOL Did they have binoculars? Perhaps they are looking for the “no body, no crime”. I hope that what the boat brings up blows Aruba right out of the ocean.
Boycott Aruba
Justice for Natalee
#223. After talking about Natalee for 2 1/2 years, I am becoming amazed at how quickly missing persons crimes are solved in the US. Then I realize that that is how it is SUPPOSED to be done. Take DNA, talk to witnesses, arrest suspects,,, and what do you know, the case is solved. It doesn’t happen like this all the time, but it has happened a lot. SO, there is no excuse, and never has been any excuse for Aruba to not solve this crime against Natalee.
Boycott Aruba
Justice for Natalee
Paulus returned to the scene of the crime. Trying to determine how close the ship is to where he dumped Natalee. Scared….are we?
I wonder if the fat arse was wearing her bikini!
You said it, Molly ( 229).
It makes you appreciate integrity behind a badge, doesn’t it? It makes you value the men and women who uphold the integrity of the LAW, by virtue of their own CIVILIZED and HONORABLE CONDUCT.
The Aruban police acted with depraved indifference in CONSPIRING – and I believe that is exactly what Straten did, to OBSTRUCT JUSTICE!
That makes that island a haven for treachery, because not only he, but all the rest of them who were involved behaved in the most uncrupulous, dishonorable manner. The immoral conduct alone is a disgrace, but imagine – there are international agreements between nations concerning standards of CIVILITY and the honoring of HUMAN RIGHTS.
THINK … of how they violated this poor child and her family!
Read how one day, their arrogance was so outrageous that they actually told the media that they had RULED OUT that she left the island on her own, since they KNEW her passport, money and all her packed luggage was right there ready to go home with her, in her hotel room. THEY KNEW THIS AND RULED OUT – BY JUNE 2, THAT SHE COULD HAVE JUST “LEFT ON HER OWN”.
And only DAYS LATER – after they couldn’t keep up the “Blame the innocent Black man SCAM” – because BETH stood up for them and told the world that she believed they were innocent – and only THEN were they released!!! – but following this, suddenly, the Aruban police had a change of heart.
Not only did they shift from Natalee being a victim of RAPE, KIDNAPPING AND MURDER – when it related to the blame the innocent Black man scam, but, once those black men were released and all eyes were now focused on the REAL SUSPECTS – J2K+ P et.al, all of a sudden, the Aruban police began to float the: “WE HAVEN’T RULED OUT THAT SHE COULD HAVE RUN AWAY, OR LEFT BY HER OWN CHOOSING” SCAM – after they had ALREADY RULED THAT OUT DAYS EARLIER! The difference?
The difference was as CLEAR as BLACK AND WHITE.
IT WAS AS CLEAR AS INTEGRITY IS, WHEN CASES DO INDEED GET SOLVED BECAUSE HONORABLE CONDUCT DRIVES THE “INVESTIGATION” !!!
But here’s a real chilling thought for everyone:
Where do you suppose that Dompig piece of savagery came from, when he announced to the world the “NEW THEORY” that involved blaming helpless, victimized, brutally savagely kidnapped Natalee for her own death, by accusing her of possession of DRUGS AND “HEAVY DRINKING”?
WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT PIECE OF DEPRAVITY CAME FROM?
I think it came from a monster’s computer, on May 30 – where a big “search” was going on concerning none other than affects of: DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.
With search words like “bear” … as in HOW MUCH COULD A LITTLE DEFENSELESS CHILD BEAR, WHEN SHE ONLY WEIGHED 110 POUNDS AND WAS SAVAGELY GANGED UP ON BY A GANG OF SAVAGE MURDERERS FOR RAPE AND WHATEVER ELSE THESE MONSTERS DID TO HER!
Only months later, there was Dompig with his “new theory”. This, right after some very interesting things happened, one of which included the announcement of the voluntary boycott of Aruba – the ONLY MEANS this family ever had to have ANY leverage over men and women who have no morals, no ethics, no sense of integrity or human dignity.
They couldn’t solve the case – because of the SAVAGERY AND VIOLENCE inflicted upon this poor child! THEY WERE ONLY INTERESTED IN PROTECTING THEMSELVES! NOT EVEN IN GRANTING THIS CHILD THE DECENCY OF A FINAL RESTING PLACE!!!!
Natalee’s voice cries out for JUSTICE!
230 – Brie! You are so right! He’s returning to the scene of his criminal conduct! Maybe he thought the cover of dark could hide his evil deeds, but hide he cannot – NOT FROM THIS CHILD!
Someone should let Kyle know that the depraved monsters with no conscience are watching.
I think you are right! It must mean SOMETHING!
Imagine – Paulus and Anita are walking the beach, looking at THE SHIP – whose name will become a household word forever: PERSITENCE! Right along with the HOPE that will come thru the telling of Natalee Holloway’s story!!!
PS: I love that TES is handing out WATER BOTTLES with NATALEE’S PICTURE!!!! What a beautiful tribute to this child! What a painful reminder of what these MONSTERS have done to this poor child!
The water that Tes provides is CLEAR, CLEAN AND FREE FROM DEPRAVITY.
The waters of Aruba are tained and contaminated with a savage injustice to children!
What an incredible idea; I love that TES did that!!!
Maybe Kyle is getting very, VERY CLOSE!
You have to wonder what drew out PAULUS from the hell he hides in.
I sure hope Kyle is close! That young man and the entire crew, the fellow who runs Silvetti, all of them – they are such amazing men! They are truly heroes in my book, just as J4N said!
I’m hoping and praying for a miracle for this family! They so deserve for a miracle!
OUR CHILDREN NEED THAT MIRACLE!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
HOPE FOR OUR CHILDREN THROUGH HER TRUTH!
Sounds like the Persistance is having to deal some pretty tough conditions. Strong winds and high seas. But they continue on, dead head straight into the seas….Although time consuming, they are still maintaining production even though it is at half the rate.
Steadfast and determined….God Bless You Guys
To think what these guys are going through really sinks in your heart. Brave and courageous men. What they are having to deal with is taking a heavy toll on the crew. Rolling and heaving about inside the ship.
All because of a lying, f~~king, no good POS. Put a rope on him and drag along behind the ship…hey Joran let us know if you see anything. If not….ooops, the rope snapped.
What people have had to endure is the ultimate sin.
#232….Hi Pearl, thank you for the information. I hadn’t heard about the water bottles. That is absolutely wonderful. It is such a special tribute to Natalee. Not only are they working on sea but also on land. Remarkable people. That certainly gets the message out…that’s why we’re here searching the waters.
TES….my blessings! Your a miracle within yourself. God love you Tim Miller. Someday I hope I have the privilege of meeting you.
Joost, it does NOT say there is no evidence. Not enough to convict right now and that would mean, he couldn’t be tried again later. Isn’t that what a cover up is? Only takes one dirty cop for a cover up to happen. The behaviour of Straten, Jacobs and Dompig is beyond bizarre, not to mention that Straten is a friend of the Sloots, Oduber said Straten wasn’t to be on this case, it wasn’t the kind of case for him, when he was taken off and wasn’t suppose to be near it, he was spotted in Jacobs office meeting with him, Dompig, Michael’s father, who also was seen looking for American tourist girls, friend of Joran’s, and Boeti is his cousin, Jacobs who’s behaviour is totally cuckoo. I slightly disagree with the prosecutor, Justice was never an option. Dompig told people to hold their breath for 24 hours too many times. He had no intention of solving this. Paulus worked for these people for 8 years he said, knew them all, of course when you work with people, you learn a lot of things about them the outside world don’t know, some could be criminal, others could be just embarrasing. Not only that, how many guy were involved in this picking up female American tourists and doing things with them and who’s sons were they?! What you think if you sent your daughter to the USA and the last person she was with, lies and implicates 2 black men for murder and kidnapping and engages in all this bizarre behaviour for over 2 years and the the person she was last with was being investigated by a friend of his and his fathers? BTW one can not be on drugs or alcohol drunk and doing and saying bizzare things out of their mind, and then sober and walking fine, consenting to sex, wanting to go on her own, at the same time. It just don’t happen. It says they know she’s dead, but can’t prove how she died, but I agree if it were an accident, why wouldn’t you get help?
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is not closed but has entered a new phase, as four detectives continue to look for evidence, Aruba’s chief public prosecutor says.
Natalee Holloway disappeared while on vacation in Aruba with classmates in 2005.
1 of 3 Charges were dropped against Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, prosecutor Hans Mos said, not because he didn’t have a case but because he couldn’t be sure of a conviction.
The decision not to prosecute doesn’t mean “there is not a file in which these three people are primary persons of interest,” Mos told CNN.
He said his office remains determined to find the truth. “We believe justice will prevail one day, but we cannot force that right now.”
Mos on Thursday laid out the evidence authorities have in the Alabama teenager’s disappearance on May 30, 2005. Watch a report on the case »
In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.
The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.
New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.
Prosecutor: Chat message said Holloway was dead
Judges, however, ruled the new evidence was not enough to keep the suspects behind bars.
In the chat, Mos told CNN’s Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, “The fact that she’s dead is not good,” referring to Holloway.
Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.
But, he said, authorities did not find any further discussion of Holloway’s death or how she died. “If we had that, we would have been much further [along] than we are now,” Mos said.
Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.
The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect — whom Mos did not name — told her that “he didn’t want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn’t be discussed over the phone,” he said.
Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their re-arrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities. See a timeline of how the case has developed »
A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited “very peculiar behavior” the day after Holloway’s disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.
A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.
Holloway, 18, disappeared while visiting Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, and was last seen leaving the nightclub with the three suspects.
All three suspects were arrested and released in the case in 2005. They were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them.
In freeing the Kalpoes from jail November 30, judges from Aruba’s Court of Appeal wrote that there was no evidence that Holloway died as a result of a violent crime or that the suspects were involved in such a crime. Using similar reasoning, a judge released van der Sloot a week later.
All three have maintained their innocence. The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after leaving the nightclub. Van der Sloot’s mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.
What authorities needed, Mos said, was for at least one of the three to explain what happened that night. That’s why, he said, his office went to the expense of transferring van der Sloot from the Netherlands, where he is attending college, after arresting him again in November — out of hopes that he might talk.
“You never know whether a person two years later will, yes or no, open up,” he said.
Mos acknowledged the new evidence against the three was circumstantial, and arresting them again may have been a long shot, but “we had to give it a shot.”
“I would never have forgiven myself,” he said, and never would have been able to answer the question “Why didn’t you even try?” given the new evidence.
“And that’s exactly what we did. I’d rather give it a try and not succeed than not give it a try at all. We gave it everything we got. We cannot torture these three guys and make them tell what happened.”
Yo..Ho…Kalpoes….haven’t been out of house lately, too many water bottles with Natalee’s picture…..Hmmmm. Can either of you look at anyone in the eyes. Nope. Disgraceful, go back to Surinam, that is if they want you…probably did alot of bad things there too.
Kalpoes are afraid we might plant a purse or something like that…get real…you don’t even know the meaning of decent..we are not there to plant anything, we are there to find a body, that you disposed of….leave or be physically removed from the island. You boys are big time trouble!!!
The independent people of Aruba, and I am sure Jossy, would prefer that the Van der Sloots and the Kalpoes left the island….take your pimp club with you…the island people don’t deserve what you have done to them….It’s your fault…It’s your blame..In everyday life I bet your neighbors hate the fact that you live there.
Blaming the black people…surely didn’t score with them….your walking on quicksand!!!!
I would hope extradition could take place. It seems so! Let’s do it the way it should be done!
Hans…turn him over!!!! He’s only a black book for the Netherlands…protect your people…He’s a criminal…by more than one means!!!
Maggie…the best comment I have read…I’d feel safer on a trip to the moon on a 747.
The rumor of “planted” evidence seems to be rampant on Aruba. Even to the extent that an inquiry made to a hotel stated that everyone is suspicious of “those Americans trolling our waters.”
The biggest question seems to be WHO will retain control over WHAT they may find and whom trusts whom on any “evidence” collected?
How about a photo of Paulua and Anita on the beach watching the search vessel?
Also, is there an email address where we can donate funds to purchase more of the water bottles being distributed? The above hotel didn’t like the empties being left all over their property. Those water bottles have created quite a stir.
Carpe,
http://family.webshots.com/photo/1532290093076977973UnVLoN
I’ve asked and asked if Aruba has trash containers like many places in the U.S. The truck pulls up, arms go down, and the container is lifted and dumped.
I noticed from your picture above of the lighthouse, that yes, they do have such containers. It is my contention that this or one like it is the “container” that the Dr. assumes was a crab cage that Natalee was put in. It might have been behind the Holliday Inn.
Could the video of the white plastic have been taken with a “lost or stolen” cell phone before Natalee was placed in a trash container (only tens of yards away)? Who do we know who had his cell phone stolen?
Jerry
This strikes right at the credibility of Hans Mos….read the following:
In the chat, Mos told CNN’s Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, “The fact that she’s dead is not good,” referring to Holloway.
Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.
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Note in paragraph 1, Mos states exactly what was written in the chat thread. Note in paragraph 2 he does not divulge what “they planned to do with the American Girls”. So what the hell was it MOS? Why won’t you tell us exactly what they had planned to do in the chat thread? Did they plan to drug them? Did they plan to rape them? Did they divulge that they had a favorite place to rape them?
The fact that Mos specifically divulges one part of the thread but then is vague about another that would hurt tourism severely on the island…we get a watered down vague answer.
Mos = scam
Aruba = scam
KLPD = scam
ALE = scam
They all will forever be bonded by their cover-up to protect tourism.
MD
The people of Aruba could be decent enough to dispose of the water bottles..come on..another attack on America…your pigs!
America wants justice…you are so blind….give us what we want….!!!!!!!
#177 Richard… Isn’t this comment by JvdS interesting: DEEP DOWN INSIDE I DON’T THINK SHE IS ALIVE ANYMORE.
To me, the “anymore” signifies that he’s talking about the time after Natalee was taken away from him. In other words, when he last saw her, she was alive. But probably not now.
Richard I dissagree with you in regard to your analogy of “anymore”….I don’t read it that way at all, to me he is simply saying “she is no longer with us on this earth”…(knowing that Joran and the 2K’s murdered her the evening she dissappeared)
klaasend: message in mailbox
pvds & anita are nervous…hmmmmmmmm
I am depressed…I have no psychic messages coming from any input or the RV blog…I am afraid it is over as far as can understand.
It really is in God’s will or the Higher power to have us understand why and what has happened. I am pretty good with my powers but I have no feelings left to go further, God Bless those who continue on this pursuit of truth. Martini
I’m going to be so happy when they find Natalee. Obviously, they will take her to an American forensic scientist to be examined. Even though it has seemed like a terribly long time, there will still be signs and evidence to solve the mystery… and like Beth said, “The world will be shocked”
The glorious thing about all of this is that Natalee will make the way for a safer world. I am of the opinion that the U.S. will, indeed, persue charges against Aruba for the death of our Natalee, based on human rights, and stalking issues. Ever so slowly, the truth is being revealed and the discovery of her remains will be the final touch.
I find it appauling, and I believe that any government would feel the same, that a leader of a small nation would take it upon himself to determine whether a child be discovered and returned to her home, or be considered “missing” forever. The Arawak Nation has gone too far to protect the pagan practices of its’ people and there is no room for leaders with such low regard for human life. In a world that concerns itself with such issues as global warming, the plight of the missing, the existence of modern-day slavery, and the effects of human trafficking; it is sickening to think that one that would lead would have no concern or conscience when it comes to these earth-wide issues that not only effect one family, but effects us all. It is for that reason that the Twitty’s have the support of the American people and Oduber and his government is doomed.
Oh Happy Day!
I made a further inquiry regarding the water bottles – and it is the tourists that are leaving the bottles around very conspicuously for other tourists to see.
I wonder if it is possible to hand out the water bottles at the upcoming Travel Shows. Imagine the reaction of the Abuba Travel commission if people walk around the show carrying water bottles with Natalees picture on it.
#252 What a great idea. If someone who is going to the next upcoming show thinks so too, please post something on this board. I will definitely contribute to help cover the cost – it can’t be very expensive to stick a computer generated label on the reverse side of a water bottle. I will pay for at least the first 100 bottles – maybe more, depending on the cost.
If water bottles with Natalee’s photo are distributed at Aruban Travel Shows, they should be minus any water. This will perfectly signify our goal…….empty plane seats, empty restaurant tables, and empty hotel rooms.
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Tourists Shun Crime-Hit Mexico Beaches
Saturday January 5, 1:24 pm ET
By Elliot Spagat, Associated Press Writer
Crime-Wary Americans Shun Popular Strip of Mexican Beaches Just South of San Diego
PLAYAS DE ROSARITO, Mexico (AP) — Assaults on American tourists have brought hard times to hotels and restaurants that dot Mexican beaches just south of the border from San Diego.
Surfers and kayakers are frightened to hit the waters of the northern stretch of Mexico’s Baja California peninsula, long popular as a weekend destination for U.S. tourists. Weddings have been canceled. Lobster joints a few steps from the Pacific were almost empty on the usually busy New Year’s weekend.
Americans have long tolerated shakedowns by police who boost salaries by pulling over motorists for alleged traffic violations, and tourists know parts of Baja are a hotbed of drug-related violence. But a handful of attacks since summer by masked, armed bandits — some of whom used flashing lights to appear like police — marks a new extreme that has spooked even longtime visitors.
Lori Hoffman, a San Diego-area emergency room nurse, said she was sexually assaulted Oct. 23 by two masked men in front of her boyfriend, San Diego Surfing Academy owner Pat Weber, who was forced to kneel at gunpoint for 45 minutes. They were at a campground with about 30 tents, some 200 miles south of the border.
The men shot out windows of the couple’s trailer and forced their way inside, ransacked the cupboards and left with about $7,000 worth of gear, including computers, video equipment and a guitar.
Weber, who has taught dozens of students in Mexico over the last 10 years, plans to surf in Costa Rica or New Zealand. “No more Mexico,” said Hoffman, who reported the attack to Mexican police. No arrests have been made.
The Baja California peninsula is known worldwide for clean and sparsely populated beaches, lobster and margaritas and blue waters visited by whales and dolphins. Surfers love the waves; fishermen catch tuna, yellowtail and marlin. Food and hotels are cheap.
News of harrowing assaults on American tourists has begun to overshadow that appeal in the northern part of the peninsula, home to drug gangs and the seedy border city of Tijuana. The comparatively isolated southern tip, with its tony Los Cabos resort, remains safer and is still popular with Hollywood celebrities, anglers and other foreign tourists.
Local media and surfing Web sites that trumpeted Baja in the past have reported several frightening crimes that U.S. and Mexican officials consider credible. Longtime visitors are particularly wary of a toll road near the border that runs through Playas de Rosarito — Rosarito Beach.
In late November, as they returned from the Baja 1000 off-road race, a San Diego-area family was pulled over on the toll road by a car with flashing lights. Heavily armed men held the family hostage for two hours. They eventually released them but stole the family’s truck.
Before dawn on Aug. 31, three surfers were carjacked on the same stretch of highway. Gunmen pulled them over in a car with flashing lights, forced them out of their vehicles and ordered one to kneel. They took the trucks and left the surfers.
Aqua Adventures of San Diego scrapped its annual three-day kayak trip to scout for whales in January, ending a run of about 10 years. Customers had already been complaining about longer waits to return to the U.S.; crime gave them another reason to stay away.
“People are just saying, ‘No way.’ They don’t want to deal with the risk,” said owner Jen Kleck, who has sponsored trips to Baja about five times a year but hasn’t been since July.
Charles Smith, spokesman for the U.S. consulate in Tijuana, said the U.S. government has not found a widespread increase in attacks against Americans, but he acknowledged many crimes go unreported. The State Department has long warned motorists on Mexico’s border to watch for people following them, though no new warnings have been issued.
Mexican officials acknowledge crime has threatened a lifeblood of Baja’s economy. In Playas de Rosarito, a city of 130,000, police were forced to surrender their weapons last month for testing to determine links to any crimes. Heavily armed men have patrolled City Hall since a failed assassination attempt on the new police chief left one officer dead. On Thursday the bullet-riddled bodies of a Tijuana police official and another man were found dumped near the beach.
“We cannot minimize what’s happening to public safety,” said Oscar Escobedo Carignan, Baja’s new secretary of tourism. “We’re going to impose order … We’re indignant about what’s happening.”
Tourist visits to Baja totaled about 18 million in 2007, down from 21 million the previous year, Escobedo said. Hotel occupancy dropped about 5 percentage points to 53 percent.
Hugo Torres, owner of the storied Rosarito Beach Hotel and the city’s new mayor, estimates the number of visitors to Rosarito Beach since summer is down 30 percent.
In the city’s Puerto Nuevo tourist enclave, which offers $20 lobster dinners and $1 margaritas, restaurant managers said sales were down as much as 80 percent from last year. One Saturday afternoon in October, masked bandits wielding pistols walked the streets and kidnapped two men — an American and a Spanish citizen — who were later released unharmed. Two people who were with them were shot and wounded.
Omar Armendariz, who manages a Puerto Nuevo lobster restaurant, is counting on the new state and city governments to make tourists feel safer. He has never seen fewer visitors in his nine years on the job.
“It’s dead,” he said.
Mexico first….Aruba next…….BOYCOTT BOTH!
Bob,
Disagree a bit on Mexico. There will always be places you don’t want to go in Mexico. You do have to travel smart. If you travel to Cabo San Lucas, only use the highway between the airport and the two cities. If you travel north of the cities by car…you are asking for trouble.
The area discussed in this article is wonderful because of its “old Mexico” appeal. Cheap dinners and drinks and lots of sun and beach…..that comes with some problems.
Puerto Vallarta is my favorite Mexican destination. The city, public transportation, etc. are great. But, travel North or especially South one hour and you are on your own. Make sure you have family that can pay your ransom!
Travel smart and always be suspicious, whether you are in Europe, Tanzania, China, or South America.
Now…Aruba is different. It is like the place in this article. STAY AWAY FROM ARUBA. You may get held up by gunpoint, you may get raped, you may get drugged…and worst of all, like above, the police and government officials are ‘on the take’. Your crime will never be solved and the next tourist that shows up will be dealt the same surprise you received. STAY AWAY FROM ARUBA!
MD
Aruba is much different
#252….I think that is an excellent idea. Only not minus the water, otherwise people will not carry them around. It sure is a great way to get the word out there.
Persistence had to come into the dock for a rest that the crew needs due to the difficult conditions. Even the hardiest of seabirds have taken cover. The tourist sub, Atlantis II had to cancel going out because of the driving currents. Strong winds are not giving up. It’s got to be very stressful for them the way the ship is being tossed around. Let’s hope and pray things will calm down.
MD, excellent posts. In addition to what you stated, I’d simply like to remind everyone that there is a MASSIVELY LARGE DIFFERENCE when – at least the police in Mexico are making SOME attempts to nail the dangerous environments in their region.
But does everyone here UNDERSTAND – WHAT IT MEANS – when as you said, the CORRUPT POLICE, AND HEADS OF STATE ARE “IN ON THE TAKE”?
It means you can NEVER be safe in such a place, because you CANNOT TRUST the infrastructure to behave with ethics, moral integrity and simple tenets of a CIVIZLED SOCIETY – by acting in accordance WITH THE LAW.
There can be no trust where there is no integrity to the law!!!!!
Tourism is based on an inherent TRUST.
THERE CAN BE NO TRUST WHERE THERE IS NO INTEGRITY TO THE LAW!!!!
THIS HERE IN MY OPINION IS THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS, DISGUSTING STATEMENT BY MOS:
“I would never have forgiven myself,” he said, and never would have been able to answer the question “Why didn’t you even try?” given the new evidence.
“And that’s exactly what we did. I’d rather give it a try and not succeed than not give it a try at all. We gave it everything we got. We cannot torture these three guys and make them tell what happened.” ( Mos )
First of all, Mos claims that what he did was to “TRY”?
TRY WHAT?
WHO did he question?
he calls bringing in three punks out on two and a half years of lawyered up depravity, who he brings in two and a half years later for “questioning”?
WHO else did he bring in, as he knows there are STILL PEOPLE OUT THERE, who KNOW THINGS ( as Greta had to prove for him), that have YET to be questioned!!! And Mos wants to call what he did “trying”???
TRYING WHAT? To TORTURE and TORMENT Beth and Dave and Jug and Robin and all their family some more?
TRYING WHAT? Like going to through another CHARADE, like the “Let’s search the northen tip, and then the complete OPPOSITE direction SCAM that Straten led, where the BLOODY MATTRESS WAS PLANTED, CHARADE?”
TRYING WHAT?
Like more press conferences ( just like Karin, absent the “high heels” where her unconscionable conduct depicts a woman who can actually MANIPULATE THE TRUTH – with one day,claiming: Paulus stated “no corpse, no case” – “IN THE FIRST DAY”. Next time she’s at the mike, she’s stating “IN THE DAYS AFTER”. What happened to integrity, Mos? What happened to your sense of ethics, Karin?
HERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR YOU TO TRY, MOS:
Try – taking a long hard look in Dave Holloway’s eyes. Look at his heart, LOOK at what that man has had to carry because of YOUR savages, and YOUR corrupt, immoral law “enforcement” monsters, who aided killers. Look at that photo of a grief-stricken father sifting through a garbage dump for his beloved, beautiful daughter! Look at the images of those government ordered garbage trucks dumping TRASH INTO THE AREAS THAT HE HAD JUST PAINSTAKINGLY CLEARED IN ORDER TO SEARCH FOR HIS BABY. LOOK AT THAT FATHER, YOU INDECENT, IMMORAL MEN!
Try – taking a long hard look into Beth Holloway’s eyes. Look at the picture of her falling to the ground, the one where TWO MEN can’t even hold her up – feather that she was at that point, after losing what appears to be twenty pounds in a week – it’s a wonder she didn’t end up in a hospital, broken, terrified, traumatized, and being TORMENTED AND TORTURED – BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOUR MONSTERS DID TO HER, from the distraught condition she was PUT IN by the DEVILS in your police department whose notion of “law enforcement” is TO AIDE MURDERERS! LOOK into her eyes if you can. LOOK into her eyes and SEE HER SORROW, SEE HER SUFFERING, IF YOU OR ANY OF YOUR COWARDS CAN MANAGE THAT MUCH.
LOOK AT THE REMARKS WRITTEN BY YOUR TOURISM OFFICIALS. READ – WHAT DEPRAVITY THESE MONSTERS WROTE OF THIS SUFFERING CHILD AND HER FAMILY!
READ IT, MOS! Find out what “TOURISM” and “TRUST” was ALL ABOUT IN ARUBA!
READ – what your former president of AHATA had to say about YOUR ARUBAN POLICE DEPARTMENTS “INVESTIGATION”, MOS: “YES IT DID”
(J. Pesquera, former president of Ahata in Aruba)
YES IT DID, MOS.
YES – A COVER UP TOOK PLACE.
And you, Mos will forever be known not only by your words, but what the evidence of WHERE those words came from and what those words were made of:
“I would never have forgiven myself,” he said, and never would have been able to answer the question “Why didn’t you even try?” given the new evidence.
“And that’s exactly what we did. I’d rather give it a try and not succeed than not give it a try at all. We gave it everything we got. We cannot torture these three guys and make them tell what happened.” MOS
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT “TORTURE” IS, MOS?
It’s coming home from another country, without your baby.
It’s being FORCED to leave your child behind – because SAVAGES REFUSE TO RETURN HER TO YOU.
THAT CONSTITUTES IMPRISONMENT, YOU LYING COWARDS!
It’s getting on a plane KNOWING your child is being held against her will, taken from you in the darkness of night, where men wearing badges can’t even cough up a search warrent, because they are SO CORRUPT and immoral.
It’s being inflicted with the staggering piercing dagger in your heart – that you are leaving your precious child behind – in a hell hole, where depravity, and evil run rampant, where heads of state get up in front of Friday night mikes to make morally-bleached statements, about how “important finding” your child is – while they literally manipulate HER TRUTH behind “THE SCENES”.
It’s knowing in your heart – that nothing around you makes any sense at all, that the bizarre conduct you witness while YOU BECOME A HOSTAGE TO THIS DEPRAVITY, while those adults CHARGED WITH PROTECTING TOURISTS act with the most depraved indifference, AND IMMORAL CONDUCT, the most morbid, lack-of-human-empathy conduct, where SAVAGERY RULES, and human decency, and the honor and integrity of law DOES NOT EXIST…while these liars tell you they are doing “everything to find her” – EXCEPT WHAT THE LAW SUMMONS THEM TO DO!
But you can’t “TORTURE” THE TORTURERS, MOS?
You can’t “TORTURE” the savages, MOS?
Who are you trying to kid?
YOU CAN’T CARRY THE TORCH OF INTEGRITY.
YOU CAN’T HOLD THE MANTLE OF JUSTICE.
You are either worthy for the task or you are not, but you cannot claim that you uphold the tenets of the law and justice, and then aide devils in the dark of night in sneaking away to DUMP a brutally victimized little girl in the ocean, or – wherever these savages took her!
THAT IS NOT “TRYING”, MOS.
That is manipulation of the sanctity of what WORDS USED TO HAVE MEANING FOR!
THAT’S WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS, MOS.
You take a long hard look into that poor mother’s eyes – if you are even a man who can handle that much, and pray to GOD that there are not more savages out there who will do the same to your daughter.
YOU LOOK INTO HER EYES, AND TELL US – HOW YOU CAN’T “TORTURE” THE MURDERERS OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
Such commentary is not only a disgrace to your profession, Mos, but it reveals you for who you really are – a man, who manipulates words, whose use of words is an exercise in the savagery that is at play – thru letters, echoing the savagery inflicted upon a little girl and her family – human lives, for whom your words mean nothing.
Beth and Dave never needed your WORDS, Mos.
They actually needed something that was rather simple: INTEGRITY, HONOR, HONESTY, A PASSION FOR JUSTICE, AND THE DECENCY TO UPHOLD THE TENETS OF THE LAW.
Your Dutch-Aruban charade of “investigations” is over. YOU CAN NEVER BE TRUSTED, EVER!
And for that reason – Aruba will never be a safe travel destination, and your words now call to question whether anything Dutch can be trusted either.
How many more children will be taken?
MD – you capture it so well.
He’s got the emails proving they KNOW she is dead – BEFORE IT’S EVEN REPORTED IN THE PRESS, MIND YOU!
He’s got the emails proving – that there was indeed PREMEDITATED PLOTS OF CRIMINAL CONDUCT going on, to STALK, PREY UPON, TARGET OTHER AMERICAN CHILDREN. THIS CONSTITUTES A FORM OF TERRORISM, TO VIOLATE OUR CHILDREN!
WHERE IS AMERICA’S OUTRAGE?
BUT … MD, he doesn’t want to TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE DETAILS ARE CONCERNING WHAT THOSE SAVAGES PLOTTED TO DO TO MORE OF OUR CHILDREN!!!!
That article should be copied – and sent to every travel agent across America.
Travel agents MUST be held accountable for their knowledge of WHAT is going on in other countries.
You cannot violate a CHILD’S TRUST – while you benefit from special perks and special interests offered to you by the travel industry, at the EXPENSE OF A CHILD”S LIFE.
IF – travel agents can gain perks from tourism officials for promoting a destination point, then by golly those agent should be held accountable for PROVIDING CLEAR, TRUTHFUL INFORMATION concerning WHAT IS HAPPENING TO CHILDREN AT THOSE TRAVEL DESTINATION POINTS.
There is CLEAR EVIDENCE: that Natalee Holloway was targeted. This was NOT ( repeat) NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT, like Aruba would like to portray it as.
This is a case of an American child being TARGETED!
She was selected for RAPE – GANG RAPE.
They beat her – “HEAVY BATTERY”.
Deepak: “If they find THE GIRL, they will see all the CHIT.”
WHAT DID THESE DEVILS DO TO THIS POOR CHILD?
Where is the Alabama congressional representatives and senators?
If we do not stand up for our children, WHO ELSE WILL?
She could have been my child.
She could have been your child.
She could have been you.
She could have been me.
WHEN WILL THE SIMPLE TENETS OF THE LAW – DICTATE, THAT THIS CHILD GET AN INVESTIGATION?
Not this charade of immoral conduct, and lack of ethics and integrity!
WHEN WILL NATALEE HOLLOWAY FINALLY GET THE SIMPLE JUSTICE OF AN INVESTIGATION?
THIS CHILD’S PAIN AND SUFFERING CRIES OUT FOR JUSTICE!
She deserves that much.
And so do all of our children.
Brie, I didn’t post the initial post about the water bottles being distributed. Somebody else posted it, and I just wrote about it after I read it, but I think it is such a FANTASTIC IDEA!
MD: you are so right! STAY AWAY FROM ARUBA!
NO ETHICS
NO MORALS
NO INTEGRITY
NO VALUE FOR HUMAN LIFE
NO ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW
CORRUPT
CORRUPT
CORRUPT
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
#254 – Bob – I agree symbolically but the objective is to get the bottles in peoples hands and have them carry the bottles around through the show and keep Natalees picture highly visible.
I’d be happy to help pay for some of these as well. Who’s participating in the Boston show ?
#222
Thank you,Pearl. I think the same of you.
A blessing. Natalee is lucky to have you
slugging away in her corner. Anyone would
be, you speak the truth. -j4n
#242
I am not sure,Jerry… but I think that picture
is from a 1006 posting… not from one of mine?
I’m with you Minnesota, but I must tell you. I’m sort of the gentle John Wayne type, I can go anywhere, but my point is that I have choices and exercise my (good?) judgement in the majority of things. If the fire is on in the fireplace, I don’t put a hand in there. If the pot is hot from cookin’, I use the handle. If a place is known to be dangerous, I don’t go out of my way to travel/ go there. Sure you can drive the straight and narrow to get to Cabo, but I choose not to restrict myself because it’s dangerous, I simply will avoid it. I’m in charge of myself, so I do what is prudent and smart for me.
That’s not a compromise, that’s choice. Aruba is dangerous for all young females, whether accompanied by a male they know or not. Both can easily be drugged, etc. Why expose yourself to danger? There are thousands of destinations available in the world. Why go ANYWHERE where you have a high percentage chance of being drugged, raped, robbed, or ruined?
ARUBA should be BOYCOTTED and avoided by anyone with brains. ARUBA will NEVER recover from its self-inflicted stupidity. ARUBA will NEVER recover whatever pride it had, or the respect of the free world until the Unholy Trinity swing by the neck for their crimes.
bob 265.
We have not gotten the required results from the Aruba boycott and the latest smack in the face by the Dutch judges.
It will be escalated, trust us. We will prevail.
…………….Aruba Tourism Authority………….
………………….Vision……………………
“A second home that fulfills dreams and inspires happiness and unity for all. ATA is a family achieving excellence in tourism through love, dedication and professionalism. We are a team strengthening Aruba as the top destination in the world”
OH,,,give me a break!!!!
#262 Ellen:
Please contact Vicki @ JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
Thank you.
brie 267:
That was not written by the ATA.
It was one of Dennis Jacob’s puntas directly from a crack house. You can tell it was on drugs?
He=masculine noun
She=feminine noun
it=we don’t give a ….. you can finish it.
Brie, I have another idea for that new brochure on “THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA”.
I think somebody ought to put pictures of ALL the “DISPOSEABLE” TOURISTS that Aruba’s “tourism” demonstrated in the manner in which VICTIMS have been treated. I include here – the murdered, and images that capture Dave in the garbage pit and Beth collapsing to the ground.
SHOW THE TRUTH ABOUT YOUR “TOURISM”, ARUBA!
And with the above, give definitions as to what the term “DISPOSEABLE TOURIST” REALLY MEANS, along with the painful savagery of Natalee’s horrific ordeal and her truths, and those truths of her family… printed up, so readers can clearly see just exactly what Aruba has to offer to them.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!
Mr. Hans Mos:
When are you going to investigate the people
who derailed the case?
If you want to solve the case, that’s the way to do it.
I am interested to know more about who saw Paulus and Anita trolling the beach looking out at Persistence. When did this happen? Maybe somebody is getting NERVOUS, eh?
Ralph, I heard that before all those water bottles were found with Natalee’s picture, there were cases of pepto-bismol flying across the tables in certain homes throughout depravity’s island, along with buckets under all the kitchen tables. Someone noted a “run” at the stores on “mopping rags” and “disposeable phones”.
Maybe Richard might have some idea on who all of the Carribean’s and Aruba’s “disposeable tourists” have been, and get pictures of each and every single one of them. Each one was a mother’s child. Each one is sorely missed.
SHOW PICTURES OF ALL THE “DISPOSEABLE” TOURISTS OF ARUBA’S VERSION OF “PARADISE”.
Get their names, pictures, and caption that reads under EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, along with the outcome of Aruba’s “so-called investigatory tactics”.
I was thinking, what about this idea:
RAPE WHISTLES: have rape whistles made up, which could be made up with captions on them that read: “BLOW THE WHISTLE ON THE TARGETTING OF AMERICAN CHILDREN IN ARUBA!” You could include a WEBSITE FOR SAFE TRAVELS ON THE WHISTLE, ALONG WITH THE CAPTION.
These could be distrubuted with the water bottles with Natalee’s beautiful picture on them.
These are just some preliminary ideas for the next Travel show.
I’m sure other monkeys have some really good ideas…but, I think we have a moral duty – this is a moral imperative to PROTECT OUR CHILDREN.
I agree with BOB. DO NOT PUT YOUR LIFE IN DANGER.
STAY AWAY FROM PLACES THAT DO NOT VALUE HUMAN LIFE. STAY AWAY FROM PLACES LIKE ARUBA WHERE TOURISTS ARE “DISPOSEABLE”.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!
Ellen, Brie – 252 – this is a fantastic idea ( to hand out water bottles with Natalee’s image on them).
Here is what I would suggest:
You can hand those water bottles out for free, …no charge, and hope for donations.
Give folks an idea of what it would cost to fund a case of them OR….get a NICE, HONORABLE AMERICAN COMPANY that believes in PROTECTING AMERICANS AND THEIR INTERESTS – who might be willing to DONATE CASES OF THESE BOTTLES.
You could have them made up, and handed out all day long. There could be WEB LINKS on the bottles, for: Safe Travels, Monkeys.. some of these other ones…like the Free Bird one, and any of the reputable ones that honor Natalee’s truth. You could have weblinks to all of these sites, so people could learn more.
Richard could be an invaluable resource if you put a brochure together, as he seems to have a good handle on all the “disposeable” tourists from Aruba and the Caribbean.
I suggest that you come up with a clear definition of just exactly what it means to be a “disposeable tourist”.
Make sure you include how the United States FBI was treated. How Beth, Dave, and their precious families were treated. ( The horrific slanderous allegations on Beth and Dave because they dared to ASK: WHERE IS NATALEE!!!!)
Make it clear that ARUBA’S REAL TRUTH, IS A TRUTH THAT YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO IGNORE, BECAUSE YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT – LITERALLY.
THERE ARE MANY GOOD UNITED STATES CORPORTATIONS THAT WOULD BE WILLING ( I BELIEVE) TO FUND THE MAKING OF THE WATER BOTTLES – FOR NATALEE, FOR JUSTICE, FOR PROMOTING THAT AMERICANS ARE NOT DISPOSEABLE! I believe you could find a good, honorable corporation that would DONATE the waterbottles to promote justice for Natalee Holloway. Many such corporations would not want any recognition for doing something like this, as they would see it simply as the right thing to do.
So – you should never include their names, or the fact that they aided or donated in any way, because often times, donors wish to be anonymous, simply because they see giving as a moral duty and simply the right thing to do.
There are many fine businessmen who ( I believe) would support this effort, particularly since Natalee’s family continues to suffer such horrific injustice and agony, and ALL CHILDREN SHOULD BE WORTHY OF OUR ATTENTION, IN DEMANDING THEIR RIGHT TO COMING HOME!
You could in fact point out, that Natalee never came home, and maybe ask some major tourist attractions in the USA – who are marketing USA DESTINATION POINTS – whether they would be so kind as to donate a case of water to be distributed for the purpose of simply promoting AMERICA, with a picture of Natalee – and a caption that reads… “For Natalee, there was no place like home…” HELP FIND HER! Again, you could provide WEB LINKS ON THE BOTTLE…honoring all those organizations that are providing good coverage to the plight of Natalee and her family: monkeys, the free birds,the one that is put together by worldjournier, and some others, Safe Travels, TES, and any others. Just their names and whatever their web links are…hopefully somebody has the links to these sites.
If I think of anything else, I’ll try to post it.
I’m sure there are others who have some really good ideas!!!
I REALLY REALLY THINK THAT YOU SHOULD GET A COMPANY TO MAKE THOSE RAPE WHISTLES.
You could have JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ON THEM; and “BLOW THE WHISTLE ON THE TARGETTING OF AMERICAN CHILDREN IN ARUBA!”
You could print – one or two weblinks on the whistle. I truly do believe that somewhere out there, there are companys that would indeed DONATE these products for a justice for Natalee campaign! ( Water bottles with Natalee’s picture; and the RAPE WHISTLES).
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
ONE MORE THING RE: TRAVEL SHOWS
**Make sure a shiny new brochure is printed up – and of course, inside – just give some of NATALEE’S TRUTH FACTS of things that the average American may not know about Natalee’s real truth about ARUBA.
IN FACT, YOU COULD CALL IT: “NATALEE’S REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA”…which, I personally prefer, because once again, it puts her beautiful name out there.
SO … three things that I can think of:
1. Natalee’s real truth about Aruba – a new brochure all about Natalee’s truth. (Web links, link to Beth’s book, good reputable sites with weblinks to learn more about Natalee, and her story – with picture. Include a section on all the “disposeable tourists” of the Carribean and in Aruba. Pictures, captions under each – or, make the “Disposeable tourists” a separate brochure, which lists as many disposeable tourists that you are aware of who were victimized in Aruba.
2. Your water bottles with Natalee’s image. Again, try to put some of the reputable links on the water bottle, maybe include TES and their work on behalf of victims, and perhaps Safe Travels…
3. RAPE WHISTLES: “BLOW THE WHISTLE ON THE TARGETTING OF AMERICAN CHILDREN IN ARUBA!”
There is clear evidence to support such a whistle being made up – based on the admissions of Aruba’s prosecutor, Mr. Mos – who informed all of us that the SUSPECTS HAD PLANS OF WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO TO AMERICANS, and gave a clear picture of how they OPERATED. Natalee was one such victim. And somebody ought to fill STraten, that no one is buying his big, fat lie – that Natalee “MET JORAN AT THE CASINO”. They targeted her, and there are witnesses to the fact that JORAN was lurking about Natalee – well before May 29, 2005.
So, to be clear, such a whistle would in no way be an attempt to cause any harm to Aruba. On the contrary, it would be a MORAL MANDATE BY VIRTUE OF OUR DUTY AND OBLIGATION TO SAVE OUR CHILDREN AND WARN THEM ABOUT THE FATAL TRUTH – NATALEE’S PAINFUL TRUTH…because those monsters admitted to RAPING HER, and even KILLING HER and even in LEADING POLICE TO THE LOCATION OF HER BODY.
Therefore, we have a DUTY to PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, and warn them so that no child is every victimized as Natalee was in Aruba – EVER AGAIN, and that this imperative rises from the fact that Natalee NEVER received an investigation! Therefore, this makes that island a very very dangerous place for any child to visit.
Pearl (#184) … You talk about a pamphlet titled “The Real Truth about Aruba.”
Based on what the diligent posters here have uncovered, a volume that did justice to the sleaziness of the place would have to be the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Seriously, though, maybe a Web site could be set up (I know that some already are in existence) that keeps people updated on Aruba, and that can direct people to the records of what we have.
That way we could ensure that the information is always at hand.
And Pearl (#273) … that’s a good idea to include others. Most notable, perhaps, is contrasting the photos of Amy Bradley that are on her parents’ Web site with those that were unveiled on the Dr. Phil show.
I have been to many trade shows(not travel related)but can offer many ideas to bring attention to NH. If someone has entry to this trade show I will list many popular attention getters. The list is endless
Lots and lots of ideas here … so many things to do, so many possibilities. Ere long we will hear from the Persistence. If they find Natalee’s remains, that will end one question: is she dead or not?
If they don’t, the question will remain open, and my idea of sexual slavery will continue to be a possibility.
But whatever the case, Aruba deserves to be boycotted. Run into the ocean. Obliterated.
Boycott Aruba. It’s only common sense.
Water bottles are a noble jesture; however a mole in the group could claim that they were drugged by what was added to the water bottle. I would be inclined to offer buttons with Natalee’s picture.
Tourism Advisory Group
1968 Windsor Drive
North Palm Beach, FL 33408
The recent hiring of Jorge Pesquera from Aruba to work on American soil is an embarrassment to her and to other American citizens who know anything concerning the case of THE American Citizen Natalee Ann Holloway who disappeared on Aruba in 5/30/05.
Your hiring Jorge Pesquera, based on his false track record is vile, disgusting and totally irresponsible to Natalee’s memory.
Mr. Pasquera’s only claim to fame was how he tried to down play Natalee’s disappearance and its impact on Aruba’s tourist trade. Having failed on that attempt he managed to secure a job with your organization.
It would be interesting as to how he got his working visa so quickly and who helped him apply for it. Will he be paying federal income taxes or will he claim that he and his family are non-residents? I certainly hope that you do not plan on making him an honorary US citizen, as that would be totally disrespectful to any US citizen who gave her/his life for this country.
So keeping Jorge in mind that must be what Hans Mos was referring to about computer discovered plans and what they intend to do to American female tourist on their last night vacationing on Aruba.
You/he must be planning to open a Carlos and Charlie’s and start a disappearing campaign on your own against female tourists in Palm Beach?
Please do not consider this letter as a threat but a promise to Natalee.
We do not appreciate the likes of Jorge, Marina, and Marianna any more than we like the Gottenbos family that have moved to Dacula Georgia; to bathe in the freedoms that the United States provides and what Aruba stole from Natalee.
Boycotts are working against Aruba and boycotts will work also against Palm Beach.
Wake up your time is coming.
SM posters; please write!!!
#272 Ralph…The info came from Lousw on al.com Natalee Holloway Forum. Did not specify where the info came from, but seems to have a good handle on things..you might want to go to that forum and ask ..does not post on SM as far as I know.
Premeditated? Would someone please explain how Dompig’s farfetched bs fits into these statements, self over dosed and buried herself or self overdosed and they buried her just for the heck of it, instead of getting help for her? His comments Paulus knows more. He is pathetic. Maybe he wants to explain why his son is seen trying to pick up American tourists also.
June 10, 2005 Deepak
To your question whether or not we pick up girls when we go for example to “Carlos & Charlies”, I can state the following. Yes, we from time to time pick up girls there.
To your question whether these are local girls or tourists, I can state the following. They are tourists.
To your question as to who is the one who makes the first move towards the girls we are going to pick up, I can state the following. It usually is Joran or another friend with the name Freddy Zedan.
To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.
To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at “Carlos & Charlies” or sometimes we take them to their hotel.
To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.
To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.
To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.
To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.
Jaimie’s police statement June 17, 2005 (Jaimie went on to say in his police statement, he would let Joran know if he could go or not that night, this is hours before Joran said he met Natalee and her friends. How does he know they are going to Carlos n Charlies?)
On May 29th 2005, between the hours of 16.00 and 19.00, I was called by Joran on my mobile phone with the phone number “xxxxxxx”. Sometimes Joran calls me on the mobile phone of my sister, her name is “Maria del Pilar CARRASQUIXIA CACERES”. Her calling name is “Pilar”. The mobile phone number of Pilar is “xxxxxxx”. The mobile phone number of Joran is “xxxxxxx”. Joran had asked me whether I wanted to go out with him that night. He told me that a few American girls would go to “Carlos & Charlies” and whether I wanted to meet up with him there.
Joran’s interview with Greta
And you’re like, you know, what, you know what are you doing? Because it was — it was a normal — it was a normal thing for us to do, you know, go to our friends, go to the beach, talk to American tourists, you know, then go out with them and have a good time and, you know, nothing — nothing ever bad has ever happened. I mean it’s happened probably 20, 20 times nothing has ever gone wrong.
Hans Mos Dec. 21, 2007
In the chat, Mos told CNN’s Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, “The fact that she’s dead is not good,” referring to Holloway.
Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed “picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them,” Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.
Beware of lawsuits..water is a bad idea.
All promos should be distributed anon.
The first idea..
Take the Disney dollar template and change it to NH photo and the text related to the cause.
Why does Deepak think on Sunday night, he will need chat traffic for the police and the office of the Da to prove he was home? He states the purpose of the chat traffic was to show he was home. He lies and says Natalee put her hands down his pants to throw an investigation off Satish?, he calls a girl and asks for an alibi for the night it was reported they were seen in a car with Joran in the drivers seat and the girl called the FBI, Steve Croes just pops up out of nowhere and says I seen you drop Natalee off I was there(yeah right), he implicates 2 black men for getting Natalee. let them sit in jail and they were suspects of murder and kidnapping, all because Joran left a girl on the beach.. give me a break.
Deepak’s police statements.
You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. I wanted to direct the focus of the police on myself and Joran because we were afraid that Satish would get the details wrong with regard to the “Holiday Inn” story. I was almost certain that our telephone conversations were being taped and I was certain that my computer was being monitored too.
On your question what made me think that the police would be monitoring our phones, I can say the following. I thought this might happen earlier and Joran had said the same thing to me on Tuesday May 31st 2005*. THE PURPOSE OF THE CHAT TRAFFIC WAS TO HELP THE POLICE AND THE OFFICE OF THE DA WITH REGARD TO THE INVESTIGATION, SO THAT THEY COULD SEE THAT I WAS INDEED HOME IN THE NIGHT FROM SUNDAY TO MONDAY. But I have understood that they do not have the chat traffic from that night but that they do have the one from Tuesday. I know the technical procedure, so if they have the one from Tuesday than they should be looking for the one from Sunday to Monday.
June 10, 2005
To your question as to how often I have contact with him over the phone, I can state the following. The last two weeks it was daily. Before that it was usually messages.
To your question as to how often I have been in contact with Joran over the phone over the past two weeks, I can state the following. We had contact over the telephone about three to four times a day.
To your question about what we spoke when we were contact over the telephone, I can state the following. We talked about that what had happened and whether his father had information for us about about the thing/matter.
BTW Where is Joran’s March 31st police statement? We have Deepak’s and Satish’s, but no Joran’s. Why are Deepak and Satish being questioned about the fisherman’s huts in those statements? Joran says he didn’t tell that story until they were arrested?
Something is rotten in Aruba… forget Denmark.
Richard says: Pearl (#184) … You talk about a pamphlet titled “The Real Truth about Aruba.”
Based on what the diligent posters here have uncovered, a volume that did justice to the sleaziness of the place would have to be the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Ain’t that the truth Richard!
Who knows how many tomes will come out of this before its all over.
We’ve had Larry,Curley and now MO(s) is quoting Deepox that its A FACT that Natalee is dead but Moe goes futher telling American’s that the prosecutor’s KNOW how these goon’s operated yet won’t elaborate as to their (yeah you guessed it) MO (motis operandi)!~
Go to Hell Aruba…
Are they sure those weren’t beached whales not Anita & Paules?~
Modus Operandi rather
lol….geeez
Maggie, always great posts!
Richard, yes! It would be an Encylopedia for sure.
However, a hand-out pamphlet entitled: “NATALEE’S REAL TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA” … which, could include some interesting facts that have been discovered that relate only to her case.
A DIFFERENT PAMPHLET could also be provided entitled: “DISPOSEABLE TOURISTS”, with a definition of what is meant by a “disposeable tourist” using – reference to Natalee’s case, and what was done to her, and to her family.
I would suggest that in THIS PAMPHLET you put all the other victims – so, in essence you have TWO HANDOUTS FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE TO READ, IF THEY WISH.
For the second hand-out, “DISPOSEABLE TOURISTS”, I would suggest using something that captures the hostility towards an American family, begging for help in finding their child, with the:
“GO HOME, BETH” sign being held up by an Aruba,…along with images of all the “missing, disposeable tourists”, with brief explanations as to “how” their “status” is being “explained” and/or was handled.
You could list in there, all the violated, victimized tourists who are posted as “MISSING”.
You could provide their name, date they were reported missing, from WHERE / and the island’s name, – and the status of their case with the US FBI contact phone number posted. Pictures of each victimized “missing person” could be provided. I would suggest that you keep a separate pamphlet – on Natalee’s case, because there are so many critical issues concerning her case, that it should be treated by itself so that as much information as possible can be included.
The “DISPOSEABLE TOURISTS” brochure could also include those other facts that were discovered concerning “THE CARIBBEAN”.
1. The Caribbean has the SECOND HIGHEST HIV INFECTION RATES IN THE WORLD. That is significant, and something that tourists have the right to know about. IT concerns health and safety risks, and should be something they are aware of before choosing a travel destination.
2. Caribbean is now seen as the new hot-bed for terrorists. In here you could specifically point to some information that the FBI posts, as well as additional information that addresses the crime in ARUBA, using published reports occuring at local tourist attractions: Stabbings at CnC, guns at CnC, the hanged journalists, the security guards found dead at the bottom of a hotel area ( they “jumped” off the roof top), the guy who ended up dismembered ON THE BEACH ( PITBULL) and SET ON FIRE, – and just point to the truth of facts, specific to Aruba, as we are trying to protect CHILDREN from ever being harmed and violated again as Aruba allowed the savages to do to Natalee. You could include all the money-laundering, drug cartels, human trafficking, porn rings, sexual assaults on children ( the child raped and videotaped AT SCHOOL). Since we are trying to provide people with an opportunity to be aware of just exactly what NATALEE’S TRUTH WAS… for this reason – I suggest that you consider calling this brochure: NATALEE’S TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA….but, you guys decide.
A third idea is to do this:
Invite DOMESTIC travel destinations who are willing to support an American’s right to come home, to donate goods (water bottles with Natalee’s image – and you’d have to find out whether an AMERICAN BASED COMPANY would be interested in DONATING these, the rape whistles – which might be donated by another AMERICAN COMPANY.., etc.) – that could be offered – NOT DISTRIBUTED, just offered to anyone who wishes to take one, which does 2 things:
1. promotes travel INSIDE AMERICA
2. continue to educate travelers to the victimization of an American child in a foreign territory: Natalee Holloway, May 30, 2005 – kidnapped in Aruba, believed to have been gang raped, and murdered. – “For Natalee, there was no place like home.”
This could be a partnership between those promoting DOMESTIC TRAVEL inside the USA, while – providing a means for Natalee’s name to be out there and remembered while raising awareness to travelers that when you LEAVE THE USA, you are helpless at the hands of CORRUPT POLICE AND CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS THAT DO NOT HONOR YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS – AS WAS THE CASE WITH NATALEE IN ARUBA, as well as to educate travelers to the truth that Natalee was taken from her family, held hostage, imprisoned – and NEVER ALLOWED TO RETURN HOME AGAIN.
Some places to start with such a promotion might be: chambers of commerce (often seek to promote their city, they could partner with all of us who HOPE for Natalee…)or, you could contact various travel agencies that seek to promote DOMESTIC TRAVEL. Also: you could contact numerous destination points in the USA ( gosh! There are so many!!!) and, you could ask them whether they would be willing to donate the whistles.)
Another hand out could be this: SHADES OF AMERICA, LAND OF THE FREE ( see whether anyone would be willing to donate sunglasses). With this – I would suggest that someone could do a work up of NATALEE’S EYES on one side of the blue ribbon attachment, with … something on the other side that points out ALL that she NEVER GOT TO SEE.. because she never got to come home…or, you could simply repeat the phrase again: “FOR NATALEE, THERE WAS NO PLACE LIKE HOME.”
Natalee Holloway, Kidnapped, and believed to have been gang raped and murdered in Aruba, May 30, 2005.
( Again, this would drive home the push for DOMESTIC TRAVEL INSIDE THE USA, while bringing home the fact that Natalee Holloway – never came home from Aruba.)
The Arubans call this victimization “containment”, but we know the real ugly words about what THIS really amounts to!
Such a partnership between United States Domestic tourist attractions, and those of us who HOPE for Natalee, would be fantastic, as it would help promote travel inside America, the land of the FREE and the HOME OF THE BRAVE, while bringing home the fact that “FOR NATALEE, THERE WAS NO PLACE LIKE HOME” – and that RETURNING HOME was what was stolen from her, along with her FUTURE, her LIFE, all her blessed potential, her family and friends – EVERYTHING! It is a great way to help people understand their protections when they travel INSIDE THE USA, as well as how they can become savagely victimized – in a nation like Aruba, where human rights did not exist for Natalee, as she never received an investigation, her family was savagely victimized, and to this day, Aruban officials have significant information as to what was done to her – yet, they persist in allowing confessed KILLERS and RAPISTS to roam freely on their beaches, while a corrupt police force and government remains unchanged in their position regarding HOW they ALLOWED Natalee and her family to be treated as “GUESTS” to ARUBA!
The rape whistles could have a “BLUE RIBBON” attachment: “BLOW THE WHISTLE ON THE TARGETTING OF AMERICAN CHILDREN IN ARUBA!”
On the “Blue ribbon” attachment, you could include verbatim, that report ( above) regarding just exactly what Prosecutor Mos learned from those computer messages…and let the truth speak for itself: THEY HAD PLANS FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO AMERICAN GIRLS, AND THAT THIS INFOMRATION GAVE ARUBA A CLEAR IDEA OF JUST HOW JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH OPERATED.
At the bottom of the “Blue ribbon attachment”(just a piece of paper with blue ribbon that holds the attachment to the rape whistle), could be posted the names of which ever websites that folks feel are reputable, and these could be included such as: SAFE TRAVELS / and I would suggest TES, because of all the wonderful work they do for families who suffer like Natalee’s family…as these two groups relate to travel safety and / or helping families find their loved ones. Since you would NOT be distributing this, and you would ONLY be offering it if someone CHOOSES to take it, I believe that it would be a great way of trying to protect our children, and keep them safe.
Again – I personally think that Natalee should have a separate brochure called: NATALEE’S TRUTH ABOUT ARUBA.
A SECOND BROCHURE, could be about: “DISPOSEABLE TOURISTS”… and you could list every single one of them, Richard….and it would be VERY powerful, and make sure you include Natalee AGAIN.
Let’s keep hoping for a miracle.
God bless Kyle, Tim, Silvetti team, and all those aboard Team Persistence! GO USA!!!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!
1906 – you have a good point.
How did Mr. Pesquera end up so rapidly inside the USA? Maybe Ms. Akers from the State Dept. helped him with his visa? Someone did if he is not a US citizen.
Maybe Mr. Pesquera is an American. How uspsetting would that be? It’s so upsetting to think that Ms. Akers could present herself at the VDS house, on the day of Joran’s celebration of his “get out of jail” card that was presented to him the first time around in September of 2005.
Why was Ms. Akers at the VDS home on the day Joran was released from jail?
How inappropriate and deeply troubling and disturbing, particularly since Natalee is still missing, and here she had to have been aware of the confession to the killing of Natalee, and the “suspect leading police to the location of the body”. And she would follow this information with a visit to the home of the Van der Sloots?
How troubling! How inappropriate and unprofessional!
When I think of how refined the Holloway family has been throughout this outrageously painful ordeal, it is beyond belief to consider what torture and suffering they have been subjected to, while the family has been nothing but faithful to their country…so, for Ms. Akers to conduct herself in that manner, is disturbing to say the least. Very disturbing and troubling.
I have always admired Secretary Rice. I wonder what she thought of Ms. Akers conduct …
if anyone is not familiar with the Persistence’s site; please go
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
for updates
#282…Maggie….All of their sons are involved in the pimp club and they very well know that. And they also know what they do to American girls. So I am thinking the cover-up might just be a means of not wanting their sons exposed. I don’t know how many members there are…but probably enough. It’s not just the boys but the men too!!! Aruba, a travel destination, never will ever be the same. Arubans you can thank your ALE and your Aruban authorities and Aruban tourism. When you sink and you sink and you sink, your finally sunk!
Vicki:
Let me know if you need anything…
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Patti
P.S. Can you provide a list of the up-coming shows?
Thanks…
Senior Frogs in Aruba….people had died from an overdose in Mexico from Senior Frogs..they pour straight Tequila down your throat….real nice tourist attraction. How many are missing there? Unless your a drunk, or a druggie, why would you go there! Beat up and burn your body with the heat being so close to the equator. Is that fun?
Personally, I think there are pimp clubs in every nation of the world. Boys grow up wanting to become playboys and men end up being called womanizers. However, what is portrayed at the rocks is something entirely different.
We all have our opinions, and that’s okay. But, soon the truth will come out and we all need to be prepared for it. If Beth say’s it is something shocking… I’m sure it is. How much more must she know than us?
I just pray, that God’s will be done and that the corruption and the reason for it be exposed… not just for us, not just for Natalee, but for everyone. If they are sacrificing virgins, how many have died since Natalee went missing, and what kind of country would encourage such practices by either participating in it, or turning a blind eye to its’ existence? Covering for it, like a bad relative… embarrassment, indeed!
Arawak!
A day on the beach…first of all it’s a real challenge to set up your chair…then you try to place your beach towel…which has since blown way down the beach…so you recover your towel, you set up your chair and now your drink is in the sand…Oh…it was alot of fun….!
And after that…the sun degree burns were intense!
Just an idea,
I knew a guy once who had business cards that looked like a folded dollar bill on one side and his info on another. People would pick them up off the floor or a table because they thought they found money. They would hang onto them to fool their friends.
Info about the dangers in Aruba would have to be boiled down to a few bullet points for the revese side though. Actually thats about all the average person is going to read anyway. Those who want more information could be directed to some of the many websites like SM.
Deep within the Aruban Matrix (of) lies The Aruba Code:
Do While Tourists_Continue_To_Come = True
GoTo Carlos_n_Charlies
Select Case Crime
Case Crime=Steal_Tourist_Money
Drug_Tourist
Repeat
Use_Tourist_Bank_Card
Until No_More_Money=True
Dump_Tourist_In_Remote_Area
Case Crime=Drug_Rape_Murder
Drug_Tourist
Rape_Tourist
If Tourist_Resists=True Then
Heavy_Battery
Else
Do_Not_Call_Help_When_Overdose
End If
Case Crime=Kidnap_For_Slavery
Drug_Tourist
Rape_Tourist
Take_To_Drug_Lord
Case Else
Do While Done_Before
Sorry,
Lost the code and formatting… maybe have to post somewhere as a graphic.
#298…..hadn’t heard about that…another real good idea! In fact, I like that alot. Perhaps better than buttons…many people do no like to pin their clothes.
Klassend: Any news from BT.
Did you got the update:
Latest on the WH site: they do keep record of licences. maybe they have a recod of that day in question.
Aruban authorities…you need to get a grip on this and solve the crime…you know it happened and you know who did it…and your hurting many decent independent people of Aruba and making them suffer. We will continue the boycott…which is heading for the delineation of Aruba. All we want is Natalee!!!
I don’t know how Paulus, Joran and the Kalpoes sleep at night..I bet it’s a real struggle….your all guilty….and not one of you is man enough to come forward….you are going to be haunted forever and ever. And you will be reminded everyday!!!!!
Hey Anita, I bet there are alot of witnesses in San Nicholas that could tell some stories.!!!!..Maybe we shall hear them!!!
We have got our American men struggling in the seas to try and find Natalee…Aruban authorities you suck! Thank Joran he exposed Aruba!!!! Along with Paulus and Posner.
Hans…do your work and remove Posner from the island. He has no legal right to be there!!!!!
Aruban Police & prosecutor’s displayed their knowledge of evidence, surveilence and the power of forensics when they announced that they had hard evidence on the 2 innocent black men but turned into Barney Fife…playing dumb and doing it badly i might add when it was brought out internationaly that Dutch national’s were the last seen driving Natalee away. It was just soo obvious and easily deduced that had it just been the Kalpuke’s being involved Aruban official’s wouldn’t be making a global embarrassment of themselves.
Now is the time to send that email. The ship will be leaving soon and you will have to live with yourself the rest of your life. If you don’t know the exact location just tell what you know. Natalee was a human being and deserves to be laid to rest back in her home town. Get it off your conscious!! Be a Man! Do whats right!
Observer is right…..prove you’re not like the Sloot’s, Kalpuke’s and you’re government official’s who have brought almost as much misery to you’re lives as they have to Natalee and her family. It’s a sad thing to think that none of you care at all about these last two and a half years. If it’s fear you don’t have to identify yourself to tell where Natalee is…..just let her be found & brought home. You could be a hero to the people on the island to stop the insanity now or keep it on the hush yet know in your heart you did the right thing. The right thing for Natalee, for Aruba and for your family. Don’t you matter at all? Why should all of Aruba pay for the sins of the Sloot’s and Kalpoe’s?
JUST DO IT…
BTW I didn’t expect everyone to read his complete farewell address but this is what Jorge had to say about Natalee.
“Minister Briesen, Myrna Janssen, Peter Steinmetz & Peggy Croes, Pesquera intoned, “we would not be here without you…its been quite a journey, sometimes with bumps on the road, but we are here together and the future will be whatever you want it to be.” ”
He considered Natalee just a bump in the road.
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=34&Itemid=1
And Palm Beach hired this guy? They deserve whatever he brings with him and his family.
Please write to them
Another reason to write to PBA
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=1
And here;
Sounds like the Boycott is not working (Not)
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=1
Ask them if they still put hidden cameras in the guest rooms at the Holiday Inn.
It would be interesting to get a log of the guests that were also assigned to Natalee’s room.
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=1
And they need donations too?
http://www.arubasecurityfoundation.org/
Hi; Did you ever meet Joran and his pimps?
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=1
In the dutch press.
Dutch parmentairier (member of parlement, party PVV) was denied acces to Aruba congress.
The Antilles didn’t really apreciate that he called them a corrupt thievesnest
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article492460.ece/Antilliaanse_Staten_weren_PVVer_Brinkman
A poll in Holland (requested by the PVV) showed that ½ the population rather sees the Antilles on their own then under the wings of Holland.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article492441.ece/Helft_Nederlanders_wil_af_van_Antillen
The VCB did such a great job on the evidence that was found in Lago near Weg Fountein.
The shirt, glasses, foam, tape and the bottle of dry cleaning fluid.
Non Alcoholic meeting. But I noticed you ju ju beads.
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=1
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/04/general_election_in_dutch_anti.php
This group would sell its own mother for a yard at Carlos and Charlie’s.
What trinkets did they offer you?
Doesn’t anyone in your group realize an American citizen disappeared on that Island and that Island you endorse created a cover up.
Be careful, don’t go to Carlos and Charlie’s, they put things in your drinks.
Leave your debit cards home, Dennis Jacobs may try to grab it.
What ever you do stay away from the whore house there is a severe outbreak of HIV. Not to mention dengue and the cop that died from meningitis last year.
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=1
Here’s the url to a new group of hotel execs who are going to be working in Aruba.
This may sound dumb, and probably is … but just suppose that we wrote to them intimating that a contribution to Texas Equusearch, earmarked to help pay the costs of the search for Natalee, would be looked on favorably?
Certainly none of us speaks for Texas Equusearch … but it really grates on me that neither Aruba nor the Dutch are contributing in ANY WAY (as far as I know) to the search for Natalee’s remains.
It’s their responsibility, in my opinion. Whatever happened, took place on Aruba.
And this is another big justification for the boycott, in my view. Remember Joel Gove on the island of Saba, in the Netherlands Antilles? After a few token gestures, they wouldn’t allow his family to put up missing-person posters (might frighten away some of their tourist dollars). The family had to raise funds for a PRIVATE SEARCH.
We won’t even go into the Amy Bradley case.
Same thing here.
This is a prime justification for the boycott. Your loved ones go missing in the Netherlands Antilles? Hey, that’s YOUR problem, mister … go find them yourselves. Now, excuse me, I have to put in some ads to lure more tourists.
http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/080107/133825.html
Sorry … forgot to paste the url!
Another idea: if these people are starting new jobs in the tourism industry, we might send them a “welcoming” letter informing them that a campaign to urge a tourist boycott of Aruba is alive and flourishing.
And that maybe they might want to put pressure on the Aruba government to take action.
Hey, it’s their tourism business … they can go broke if they want to do nothing. Wouldn’t bother me one little bit.
#316 Thanks for the latest update from the Netherlands. A “corrupt thievesnest”…the parlimentarian has said it all!
Pearl: http://www.discountmugs.com
Lots of water bottles that you can buy in volume.
molly in houston
Richard: Who was it who said, “She’s not on the island.” hmmmmmmmmm, perhaps Natalee IS somewhere else. Just a thought.
Post 316
Dolf, were any of those “polled” educated people?
Quote Dolf:
“A poll in Holland (requested by the PVV) showed that ½ the population rather sees the Antilles on their own then under the wings of Holland.”
Aruba – Separate, and “on their own”, Dolf, and “ not under the wings of Holland”? I don’t think so, Dolf!
Are you kidding? Clear evidence exists, Dolf that suggests something very different than what you are proposing.
It appears that there are big buckeroos going into Aruba from the Netherlands, which appears to suggest a huge dependency, Dolf, funding that comes from the Netherlands and other sources, which would suggest a definite dependency that Aruba has on the Netherlands.
It seems that your perception of the collar that Aruba has around it’s neck in relationship to the leash held by the Netherlands, is quite different than the perception that the Netherlands has as it relates to Aruba:
“Elements of the Netherlands’ once far-flung empire were granted either full independence or nearly complete autonomy after World War II. Indonesia formally gained its independence in 1949, and Suriname became independent in 1975. The five islands of the Netherlands Antilles (Curacao, Bonaire, Saba, St. Eustatius, and a part of St. Maarten) and Aruba are integral parts of the Netherlands realm but enjoy a large degree of autonomy.”
And yet … we have this…
For example, Dolf …
I guess that ten million that Aruba is getting thru the umbilical cord to the Netherlands, via the USA funding “which was largely provided by $116 million included in the appropriation for the United States’ large Colombia aid package” suggests Dolf, that those who were polled in Holladn, may have deluded themselves into thinking that Aruba doesn’t have a major umbilical cord to the Netherlands, and perhaps they are drinking a little too much from those “yards” being given out at CnC’s.
I came in on the tail end of an interview with 2 college or law students who are researching the disappearance of Natalee and one other female. The name of the school was something like Bauder. Has anyone seen it besides me? If yes, we may be able to aid in their efforts. It also would be still another way of keeping it in the news.
Observer is right.
If you know where Natalee’s body is–come forward and clear your conscience. You will never be free until you tell what you know. You will have the death and body disposal of this innocent girl, Natalee, on your mind for the rest of your life. It will eat away at you.
Natalee was a kind young woman who wanted to
become a doctor and help sick children.
Come forward and tell what you know.
Clear your mind and help your soul.
chris 326;
Thanks for the heads up. Here are some of the links.
http://www.thelocalpapers.com/natalee-holloway.html
http://www.wikio.com/news/Natalee+Holloway+CaseMODESTO
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22464313/
Uh Oh – better return those movies and cancel those memberships – Blockbuster giving away trips to Aruba. The point of sale is all over the stores.
No More CSI folks…if it’s a true boycott.
DALLAS, Nov. 13 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ — Blockbuster Inc. (NYSE: BBI), a leading global provider of in-home movies and game entertainment, is launching a comprehensive national promotional program to support the DVD release of DreamWorks Animation’s “Shrek The Third”, which is expected to be one of the biggest DVDs of the 2008 holiday season.
The company’s national promotional program includes exclusive merchandise, an in-store sweepstakes and an online sweepstakes with great prizes and millions of bonus offers.
Now through Jan. 14, 2008, customers are automatically entered into an “Ogre the Top” sweepstakes with any in-store purchase or rental. The sweepstakes features the chance to win an ogre-size 63″ plasma TV or a five- night trip to “Far, Far Away” from Travelocity. “Far, Far Away” destinations include Aruba and the Bahamas. No purchase or payment of any kind is required to enter.
Thanks, yo yo
The Blockbuster website is temporarily experiencing “technical difficulties”…LMAO.
http://blockbuster.com/
Blockbuster must of caught wind of a possible boycott against them
My conscious is hurting…not
Does anyone know why no word from Persistence today?
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Yes indeed, thank you yo-yo. I just send a polite but scathing letter to each member of Blockbusters Board of Directors, and key management executives. Can you guess it’s contents? A ‘special’ letter of concern was also mailed to their Investor Relations firm, with copy to CNBC’s daily stock program “Squawk on the Street” about Blockbuster. While I believe the Board and Company exectutives will take note that the Aruba trip as a “prize” is ill-advised, I’m not totally assured the CNBC TV show will make comment or mention the BOYCOTT, but there’s always a shot. Blockbuster is in big financial trouble due to Netflex and other downloadable movie providers and can’t afford to be linked to an AMERICAN boycott initiative.
BOYCOTT ARUBA…BOYCOTT ARUBA…BOYCOTT ARUBA
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My thoughts and prayers are with the family of
Natalee Holloway as the search draws to an end…
And hope and faith shall remain, as if endless,
in the quest for Justice for Natalee.
.
Nite…
So far, no word from the Persistence today. That’s unusual.
We’ve had no word on Aruba or Natalee lately. What’s up!!!!
klaasend: Not an email from BT….humm
so now what next?
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SM: Hopefully the FBI will take a close look at your work. Not sure with the laws what can be done. I’m not even sure if any searching can be done without the prior approval of the Prosecutors office or the Government (klaasend)
I will call to see what can be done.
We’re all so tired…DO SOMETHING!!!!!
first thing in the morning…I will go to the office and ask?.
If their is a lead that they did not looked at before, if they will consider re-open the case and a search.
Since all theories are on the table except one.
and all those have not proven to be successfull.
They have to consider it.
The only problem is to find a prosecuter that is nutral and also not a DUTCH born in holland.
Pearl, its not my problem that you don’t seem to understand how international relationships work.
and yes they are educted ppl who were polled (the level of education is higher in Nl then in the US)
btw. wtf does Colombia have to do with Aruba…you do know that it are different countries….guess it goes into the same bin as your “clear” evidence…yes the garbage bin.
Support for the taxi cab theory.
“We have done this twenty times before and nothing ever went wrong.”
Could these have been practice runs, rehearsals for the ULTIMATE GAME?
The ultimate game being, drugging, kidnapping and assault with the intention to get away with all charges. The ultimate high that everyone was betting on?
Deepak has said that every weekend they pick up girls and
TAKE THEM “BACK TO THEIR HOTEL”.
My guess would be if they scored, good and if not these female tourists would be alibis that these pimps never tried anything. Four girls that come to mind are Bailey Ann, Alyse, Judy and Fabienne. They had all been in contact with Joran, Deepak and Freddy right before Natalee’s trip. There have been no reports of gang rape from any of them. Judy withdrew her album, Fabienne has disappeared from the scene and Bailey and Alyse were with Stepahnie Croes who at the time, March, 2005, was Joran’s girl friend.
Joran would be going away to school and he would soon be leaving the pimps.
Was this their ultimate game before breaking up?
Satish was never the player. It was always Joran, Deepak and Freddy.
That night where was Freddy? Was he supposed to be the one to spice the drink of the tourist? Was Satish the stand in and miscalculated the strength of the drug put in Natalee’s drink? Is the something bad that happened is while Natalee was being attacked, she died? Why can’t they get their stories straight? Satish describes Natalee, Deepak describes Ruth and in his book Joran likes Ruth better but calls her Kathleen.
How could Natalee leave with these three locals who show up 30 minutes before closing and leave with them unless she was feeling the effects of a drug that someone slipped her and she thought she was going
“BACK TO HER HOTEL”
(“it’s ok, then they will take me back to the hotel”)
when she got into Deepak’s taxi cab.
Just a thought.
Rudy Croes is blaming Natalee for the National Geographic Traveler article, which rips Aruba.
PATHETIC, RUDY! Blaming the victim of an assault, an innocent dead girl named Natalee, for the fact that National Geographic Traveler thinks that Aruba JUST ISN’T ANYTHING SPECIAL OR WORTH THE MONEY.
Stop the whiny crybaby antics, Rudy.
JusticeforNatalee
Where can I find that National Geographic Traveler article – I tried their site and couldn’t find it. Also, where did you read that Rudy Croes is blaming Natalee for that article? Thank.
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#342….I agree, that is pathetic…what a sorry piece of work! It’s all about the crime you haven’t solved….not about the victim. Put the blame where it belongs, Joran, Paulus, the Kalpoes, the ALE and Aruban authorities.
Rudy is distorted. Go back to Colombia and live with your friends, the gorillas!
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=19174991&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=623508&rfi=6
Question:?I’m thinking of a vacation on the island of Aruba. Should all the bad publicity from that recent murder case deter me?
Answer:?I’ll tell you what might deter you. National Geographic Traveler recently rated the world’s islands. It gave Aruba a low rating as one of the “Islands in Trouble: Under severe pressure, excessive tourism; many working to recover.” The top-rated island is the Faroe Islands (Denmark); Aruba was rated No. 35. “A vacation factory with fabulous beaches,” Aruba is “overbuilt, gaudy, fast losing its culture.” “Cruise ships have resulted in a tacky downtown.” A minority of reviewers calls Aruba “dynamic, interesting.” You might want to read the whole review of islands in the November/December 2007 edition of National Geographic Traveler.
You might want to read what was said about all the islands.
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/traveler/features/islandsrated0711/islands_caribbean.html
I can’t tell which one is hell; maybe both Aruba and the Netherlands.
And the World Court is located at the Hague?
They don’t have tea breaks they must have joint breaks.
http://travel.latimes.com/articles/la-trw-dutch4jan04
It it time to move on…
I am not saying forget…
Remember 911 in N.Y.
The New yorkers had to show up for work the next morning…
It is not easy to let go…
There will be no truth comimng out of Aruba.
The search is getting over whelming for the crew and at this point, they should not feel guilty to give up.
I don’t blame them.
If they found NH it would be a glory in the highest…
Why put these men under this burden?
Oh Karin Jansen where did the new facts and circumstances go to?
Statement from Prosecutor’s Office – CNN – 08-27-05
(CNN) — After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted “together with other people” in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor’s office said. Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that “new facts and circumstances” led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21. “They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody,” the statement said.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html
The Persistence has tried so hard to find Natalee…maybe it’s time to come home….the toll on the crew has to be overwhelming…
http://www.meridianstar.com/local/local_story_008001043.html
Aruban authorities have not done their job…you are exempt from any tourist destination!!!!!!!
Persistence has not updated their blog since Sunday! Does anyone think they may have found something? Crossing fingers and toes!!!!!
I can assure you no one here is giving up much less “moving on” and the crew of The Persistance (who are doing an amazing job)will continue the path they’ve chosen until the very end of its completion and not a minute sooner.
giving up is not an option.
mayan, think they will have to give up.
its almost undoable..but maybe they get lucky
Unusual that we haven’t heard anything from the Persistence….I wonder if they found something and are just keeping quiet for now. Maybe, or perhaps they are just taking a break. I think it’s been tough out there.
Joran & Paulus Vandersloot and Deepak & Satish
Kalpoe are still vicious murdering rapists.
I don’t think anyone will move on until
those murdering rapist pieces of sh *GET
GOT.
I pray everyday that happens one way or the other.
BOTTOMLINE:
Joran & Paulus Vandersloot and Deepak & Satish
Kalpoe are the uncaptured rapists and murderers
of Natalee Holloway. The world knows that now!
I have no doubts their sorry a$$es will be NAILED!
The only question left is the amount of time it will take to GET THEM. Hey Vandersloots & Kalpoes, deal with it. AIN’T NOBODY TAKING
THEIR EYES OFF YOUR SORRY BUNS. YOU CAN
BANK THAT. -j4n
# 328, you seem to be the only one that read my post. I think this could be great if they(Bauder College students) were made aware of SM and all of our research. As I have often said, I’m an old lady and not very literate when it comes to computers, but I do know what could be of great value to us as well as the students doing research.
Thanks for the link too.
The Unholy Trinity actually have many, many options available to themselves: Confess and be proscuted; a quick deep cut accross the wrists; sling a rope over a beam stand on a chair and wiggle; swallow several CnC pills all at once; or just leave the Island for a short visit to Alabama or any of the other States. It’s bound to happen and just a matter of time.
#359- Hey Chris, Thanks …I just let the director of the Criminal Justice Dept a message..hopefully, they will get back to me and I will direct them to SM…Thanks 1906..also. Great work.
klaasend: did you get my e-mail.
I checked and I wrote you back what they said.
I guess no news from BT.
_________________________
SM: Yes got it and just replied. Sorry been very busy again (klaasend)
Chris: A letter has been written, just waiting for a response.
Our support was offered and as well as requests to be kept in the loop.
Thanks again.
357 brie:
Remember the old adage “no news is good news”
They may be having Sat difficulties because of the weather.
They are Persistence we have to be Patient.
The Persistence is OK.
“Update: Wed 09-Jan 1240 hrs
We lost Internet connectivity for two days due to rough seas and equipment failure. Now that we’re back online, I will post an update shortly.”
I have ordered tote bags to give away at the Boston and NY shows…Any donations would be greatly appriciated….Please contact me at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com Thank you!
I saw another blog site that said Justicefornatalee@gmail.com was hacked and the email is a scam now. It said not to send $$$ What gives?
here is the website that says JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com is a scam:
http://therealarubatruth.blogspot.com/2007/08/alert-scam-in-progress.html
Wait until the 2007-2008 “Tourism” numbers get released….well maybe they won’t. The 2008 BOYCOTT initiative will make this look like childs play, everyone remember this article?
Aruba fudging tourism numbers?
Posted: June 15, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Fred Taub
Since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on May 30, 2005, in Aruba, there have been several calls for boycotts against the island, including from Alabama’s governor. While starting to research the effects of this boycott, three things were readily apparent. First, Arubans are upset that boycotts were declared. Second, Aruba has a vested interest in making sure no such boycotts affect them, especially from the U.S., which accounts for about two-thirds of Aruba’s visitors. Third, Aruba is a country that primarily lives on the tourism industry.
By minimizing a tarnished public image and reporting record-breaking tourism, Aruba has been swaying public opinion in its favor to be seen as more popular than ever, thus attracting even more tourists and countering the boycott against them. That does not, however, negate Aruba’s responsibility to report accurately, especially when Aruba is asking the general public to believe what it says in the Natalee Holloway case.
Aruba’s official tourism website, http://www.Aruba.com, touts how Aruba is safe and a wonderful place to visit, and that is not being questioned. This report is strictly looking at tourist data and possible effects from an Aruba boycott.
One article appearing on the Aruba.com website is from former U.S. congressman and now talk-show host Bob Barr titled “Aruba Boycott a Lost Cause,” in which Barr called this consumer action “not a real boycott.” In his article, Barr stated, “Only the president can direct that U.S. citizens, whether they hail from Alabama or Maine, are not permitted to travel to a particular event or country.” While that is true, this was not a government action, rather a consumer action by people who are upset at how the Holloway case is being handled. Tourists do occasionally get killed or go missing, but that is not the issue. The issue is how Aruba has been handling the case, which is what sparked a consumer boycott.
In a USAToday article dated Oct. 30, 2005, Myrna Jansen, the managing director of the Aruba Tourism Authority was quoted as saying, “Now everybody knows Aruba,” boasting that Aruba is more popular than ever, and even claiming a 10 percent increase in tourism, much of it from repeat tourists. Just about a week later, in a Nov. 8, 2005, article posted at Aruba.com, Jansen claimed Aruba’s reputation “remains intact” and claimed increased U.S. visitors and higher hotel occupancy forecasts over the next year.
The Belize Tourism Board has reported a drop in Aruba tourism from 2000 until 2003, with an increase in 2004 for both air and cruise ship visitors of about 80,000, a significant increase after years of steady drops. While trying to obtain more information about current hotel occupancy rates, I discovered something strange: While Aruba hotels have previously reported their occupancy rates in a timely manner, no such information was available for any Aruba hotels over the last year, thus raising questions as to what the actual occupancy rates are.
In 2006, Aruba backtracked from reports of double-digit tourism increases. In an article at Aruba.com dated March 31, 2006, Aruba reported a modest 0.6 percent overall 2005 tourism increase, which is a far cry from the steady 9-10 percent numbers stated earlier in the year. If all the reports are true, then Aruba must have had a sudden tourism crash in the peak winter tourist season, but that does not make sense if we are to believe the 9 and 10 percent numbers Aruba originally reported. If that really did happen, Aruba would have had a massive sudden drop in tourism, leaving hotels at 50 percent or less occupancy during the peak winter tourism season, which would have made headline news in the travel industry – but that did not happen. The numbers simply do not add up.
The sudden tourism reporting reversal was a result of a then soon to be released report that Aruba officials apparently tried to reconcile their reports to match, yet did not fully expect.
A May 15, 2006, press release by Aruba’s main bank, the Centrale Bank Van Aruba, states, “The Centrale Bank van Aruba (the Bank) mentions in its Bulletin of the fourth quarter of 2005 that available information indicate a reduction in business activities in the fourth quarter of 2005, mainly brought about by a dwindling performance in the tourism sector. According to the Business Perception Survey conducted by the Bank, businesses reported being less optimistic about the current state of the economy, and even pessimistic about the short-term economic outlook. The tourism sector showed a negative outcome. The number of stay-over visitors and their nights spent on the island fell by 8 percent and 6 percent, respectively. This resulted in a 2 percent decline in gross tourism receipts, while the hotel occupancy rate recorded a 2.2 percentage points decline to 77.8 percent in the fourth quarter of 2005.”
While Aruba stated a less than stellar fourth quarter, the overall economic data reported by the bank does not match the overall tourism numbers.
A 2.2 percent occupancy rate decline may not sound like much, but if that was only in the fourth quarter, it could not possibly be from a single quarter when the same report states “the net international reserves of the monetary sector decreased … and were … 9 percent lower than a year earlier.” In other words, a 2.2 percent decline from a 10 percent gain would still mean a 7.8 percent overall increase, yet the bank reported an overall economic slowdown. In fact, the bank reported that 2005 was a bad overall tourism year in Aruba. Since Aruba’s economy is almost totally based on tourism, Aruba is clearly in a recession that has nothing to do with the economic growth in the rest of the free-market world.
Aruba is clearly concerned with its image, and Aruba’s bank is primarily concerned how their businesses are doing and making money. Additionally, banks are notorious for reporting their financial status accurately. The more reliable numbers, therefore, are from the bank as opposed to public-relations people.
While Aruba has had an increase in tourism for several years, there is a definite decline in tourism since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. While there is no information as to which countries people not going to Aruba are from, and with the U.S. being Aruba’s primary tourist source that now has a consumer boycott against Aruba, one can easily conclude the drop in tourism is from the U.S. Even with Aruba’s campaigns to increase tourism from other countries, Aruba has still not compensated for the loss of U.S. tourist dollars. Thus, the Aruba boycott is working.
Art Nittskoff, the chief travel agent for Gamble America who specializes in vacation travel reported that although he has never sold many Aruba vacations because there are no direct flights from Cleveland to Aruba, people he spoke to in the travel industry reported no perceivable change in Aruba travel over the past year. This would be consistent with both Aruba not having a 10 percent increase in tourism, as well as a 2.2 percent decline in travel to Aruba, as small percentage changes on a per-travel-agency level may not be noticed. A 10 percent change in any direction, however, would certainly be noticed.
Aruba tourism officials clearly overstated its tourism statistics, then failed to backtrack enough to match its own central bank’s reports. With many of Aruba’s statements regarding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway being questioned by her family, one has to wonder why Aruba would release any questionable numbers, yet that is exactly what Aruba appears to have done.
Glad to hear the Persistence is OK…
#367- that was back in August of 07 and it was volunteersfornatalee@gmail.co…it was hacked into…but we set ppl straight. As stated I have ordered tote bags to be handed out at the trade shows as we thought that the water while a great idea, the label would have to be silk screened on….and that would be costly….so please if you can go contact me or if you can donate…Thanks… justicefornatalee@gmail.com
Vicki, do we know the hotel location and date for the NY show? I might have missed it if already posted in a prior message.
Andrew Hodges asked me to let you know that his sight (Forensicthoughtprints.com) as been updated since his visit to Aruba along with Tim Miller and the crew of Persistance.
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Aruba lies about everything…tourism is always making up numbers to try to appease the island and the gain the tourists. You just can’t believe anything they say.
We need to keep our American’s away. Beth and Dave have written books, true stories, on what happens in Aruba. There was a crime committed and they resented the fact that loving parents came to find out what happened to their daughter.
Hopefully they have saved many lives. Beth has made so visits to colleges and universities to let our children know about safety when going abroad or actually anywhere in general. Her rules are simple…stay with your friends, don’t go off with strangers and watch your drink.
It’s such a shame that the known pervert Joran was allowed to prowl. The Ale has known about this ! Paulus is very well aware! Anita hides under her pillowcase! I guess the independent people are afraid to stand for justice. Too be that afraid of your government tells the whole story! I’m never coming back.
I was there many, many years ago…and I thought what a unique island…it was impressing..and it wasn’t unsafe at that time…the locals were more then friendly…I enjoyed my stay…however, they have lost control of their island…you are now controlled by the masters of evil minds!!!!
Arubans need to put their own people in control..not Surinames who could care less and are leading police control and investigation…..he’s a midget compared to what you people could represent…better do something!
Scared Monkeys…Can we not get an update on what is happening in Aruba? That is why so many of us are here…
Wanted to let everyone know that Beth and her brother will be the guests on Oprah, next Wednesday the 14th…
Yes she and Matt will be on! Great news! (klaasend)
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SM: On my calendar, Wednesday is January 16th
#326 chris: Thanks for the info. I recall that Northwestern journalism students had a case reopened after their research.
When at conventions we always head to the booths that hand out plastic tote bags so we get them before they run out and so we have a bag to carry the other freebies. Good idea.
Haven’t had a chance to say it yet so I’d like to wish all the Scared Monkeys and Natalee’s family and friends a very hopeful New Year!
Ty Klaas for correcting the date:) .. and glad Matt will be on.. I was watching the preview on Oprah’s site and it says brother, perhaps her brother will be on too.
Journal Notes/Dr. Hodges
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/default.aspx?200819
Is this Anita in the middle with the white T shirt on? She’s probably telling them about her sporter don’t drink, gamble or smoke, he just puts girls on the beach at 3 am and they are never seen again… btw I know this really isn’t Anita, just looks like her.
http://www.bucuticam.com/bucutizoom.html
2 VERY IMPORTANT TRAVEL SHOWS COMING UP
Boston is first
http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/
NY is next:
http://www.nyttravelshow.com/
Okay, all you New Englanders and New Yorkers.
Don’t be shy. Natalee needs you. The group going needs you.
Bostonians and New Yorkers need to be reminded of the injustice done to Natalee.
Tourists need to be educated.
Boston and NY are major events.
Come and help out. Hold a sign. Hand out flyers and giveaways.
If you can only help for a day or a few hours, still volunteer.
Ask anyone who has attended these shows–you will feel so good about the way you helped Natalee.
So whatever it takes to get there, please try.
If you have to share rides, etc. to get there, just do it.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Look on Yahoo: Last year I found an inexpensive flight for only $50 each way.
Please contact Vicki: JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
if you want to attend or help in any way.
ALL HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.
Thank you and peace to all of you.
I’ll be damned; they are sending the same puntas to the Boston show that they sent to Valley Forge.
Dr. Hodges in his update remarks that Deepak said in a drunken stupor to one of his friends; that they dropped Natalee 10 miles out from Aruba.
I respect Dr Hodges; but who was Deepak’s friend and where is he now. Is he getting ready to be made a human candle. I would guess in Koen’s small boat, ten miles out would take a round trip of over two hours. Itlooks like it was a single engine and perhaps 60HP at best.
These clowns did not have that much time.
By his time line Natalee died at 2:00AM. Give a half hour to get to the Van der Sloots another half hour to acquire the boat another half hour to get to the boat and launch it. Out to sea and back 2 hours and a half hour for everyone to get home.
That would be about 6:00. I don’t think they had that much time. My feeling still is Natalee is not in the Ocean. I’ll say it again. Persistence please prove I am wrong.
1006, respectfully, a small boat with 60 hp transom mount engine or an i/o can do 10 miles on calm water pretty quickly. On smaller boats, you need to consider weight factors in your calculations….fibreglass or wood hull, carrying how much fuel, how many humans on board, the weight of the iron cage, etc.
J4N, it looks like Aruba has been assigned booth 330 at the NY show. I like the booth’s position in relation to access aisles and passways. LOL. I see that with a bit of strategic planning, the booth may get a max of maybe 3 visitors during the length of the show. I bet the local Hell’s Angels chapter could be encouraged to visit the booth to discuss destination options for their upcoming Spring 2008 convention.
10061906 – I believe as well that the timeline of Hodges doesn’t even come close.
But I strongly believe Mr Hodges is another opportunist. It’s quite sad that another one of these wackos has come along and scammed the Holloway family (anyone remember Garrison and his “deep throat”).
After all, Dr Hodges believes, through thoughtprinting(lol), John & Patsy Ramsey killed Jon Benet. I don’t…and I would imagine that Beth Holloway doesn’t either.
I would love to hear her and John Ramsey’s thoughts on Mr Hodges.
If your gonna boycott, the big one would be The Boston Globe travel show. Guess who’s the supporting sponsor and is splashed across the front of the bostonglobetravelshow.com website? Aruba and the ATA.
“The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions.”
I agree complete with you…1906, there is not even a bit of logic in Dr. Hodges senarios.
His theories only applies for someone that have killed already or mass murderes.
Firs time killers are scared, and if not coach, will spillout when they are feel in a corner…
First time killers confession though process is like this “I will lie and see how far I can get a way with the lie, If they have fallen for the lie and in 24hr passed, when they comeback for more question, they will extend the lie or twist it a bit more.
but in this case of the Sloots, they have been coach by a judge since may 31, 2005 to adviced them on what to say and maintain the lies.
The investigaters do not know what the operational procedures are when come out to pickup a girl from a bar and what to do with it.
I believe they are not in tune with what was going on in Aruba night clubs and where they usually go after the pick up.
So now we are taking shots at Dr. Hodges. He is a DOCTOR of PSYCHIATRY. I am quite certain he has earned this distinction through many years of sacrifice. Show him the minimum respect and refer to him as Dr. Hodges, not “Mr.” Have you no training, YoYo?
I am quite certain Dr. Hodges would invite opinions re: this case and review his data to see if it lines up. I am very impressed with all of the boating information re: time, travel, distance etc. This type of information could be very helpful to Dr. Hodges and others who are working on this case.
If you know anything about Dr. Hodges know this…
1) he was famous before this case and he is not hunting for attention.
2) his daughter went to the same HS as Natalee
3) He lives within miles of where Natalee grew up.
4) The Holloways are thankful for his work and his efforts have advanced this case greatly.
Show some respect!
Quote from Above:
“The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions.”
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LOL!!!!!
You make the ATA sound like a non-profit organization encouraging people to visit a paradise island that is full of peace and tranquility as opposed to the truth.
Aruba is an organized center for drug and human trafficking; an island governed by liars and thieves that care nothing about their own citizens, much less a visitor from a foreign land. Their streets are full of, what they call, chollars; homeless, desperate drug addicts. Thier own people have revolted against their government in an attempt to get these criminals off the streets and curb the crimes that they commit, to no avail.
The government has failed to provide data regarding money laundering to the State Department, which is one reason why Aruba remains a hotspot for thugs involved in organized crime. Prostitution is legal in certain areas of the island and the island of Aruba, along with other islands in the Carribean, is suffering an outbreak of AIDS and HIV at alarming rates.
The purpose of most not-for-profit organizations is to promote social aid to the disadvantaged; where as the ATA is nothing more than a group of business men that want to profit off the island, in spite of its’ social ails. They promote the island of Aruba as being one that is both happy and safe while the quality of life in Aruba is one filled with fear and despair.
Don’t be fooled by the ATA. Their plans for Aruba are based solely on greed and they have no long-term goals that will benefit either Aruba or its’ vacationers. The island was violent and corrupt in May of 2005, when Natalee went missing and conditions in Aruba have not gotten any better, in fact, they’re worse.
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Boycott Aruba!
#392 Disappointed:
1) As far as being famous before I’ll take your word on that. Not hunting for attention I will 100% disagree with. Curious if he’s not looking for attention why he would have this “To arrange an interview with Dr. Hodges, please call…” on his website. Not sure why that would be there if he’s “layin’ low” not huntin’ for attention.
2) Not relevant
3) Not relevant
4) Dave is…but Beth? And you know this how?
Do you believe what Dr.(fair enough on the mr. not dr. but not intended to offend) Hodges has to say ,his theory, in his book titled “A Mother Gone Bad: The Hidden Confession of Jon-Benet Ramsey’s Killer”?
’cause you know where I’m going with this…
1906 #386:
Excuse me if I sound rude, but I think all that blogging has gone to your head. I find your comment regarding the Persistance disturbing and insensitive to the family of Natalee Holloway as well as the men that are battling the swells to try to find a missing child.
None of us know, exactly, when Nat may have been dumped out to sea; just as we don’t know what may have been done to her in the interim. We are all free to speculate, but to challenge the men of the Persistance to proove you wrong is baffling when everybody knows that the quest of the Persistance is to proove that which goes beyond anyone’s egotistical attempts to predict an outcome.
God bless the work of the Persistance… Please, bring Natalee home and let her family find truth, justice and peace.
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Justice for Natalee
the decline in US tourism on Aruba can also be comming from the decline of the US economy.
Hey Maggie!
Thanks for the heads up on Beth and Matt going on the Oprah show next week! It is good news klass and i look forward to hearing Matt’s take on all that has hsppened to his sister, him and the family.
When i think of what this young man has had to go through since May 5, 2005 when Natalee was tricked and led away (kidnapped & killed…imo) i can’t even imagine how horrible this has been for him. Everyone here has kept Matt out of the fray during our dicussions here and thats one thing i’ve been so thankful for. If Matt does read this board i’d like to address him…..though your name has been keep out of the fray there is not one day since Natalee’s been taken that you weren’t in my thoughts & prayers. Now that you’re ready to come out to express how you feel about everything that’s happened these last two and a half years you can bet that i & millions of American’s will tune in to watch your interview. People who care about you and the whole family & what you’ve been put through is nothing less than barbaric & twisted treatment by the Aruban/Dutch. You have never been forgotton Matt…..we just wanted to respect your privacy. I eagerly await til hear what you have to say, thinking it will be an interview no one will soon forget.
Bless you Matt
PLEASE all of you. Know that what we at justicefornatalee@gmail do is for Natalee. We get NOTHING for ourselves except the fact that we are doing a small part in trying to get JUSTICE for Natalee…PLEASE if you live in NY or Boston please go to the shows. You will be blessed. I promise you this….I cant stress this enough…Natalee is crying for JUSTICE….they cant get away with this or others will do this….It just breaks my heart…so I do what I can.
patti 395;
I think I understand where you are coming from; however it was not meant as an insult.
It would seem that we have pros and cons and I got stuck in the middle.
First of all Dr Hodges has updated his site and mentions that 10 mile comment by Deepak. Not I.
I respect Dr Hodges intentions but yes I do disagree with him on some issues.
Inso far as the Persistence is concerned. Let me ask you a question. Did you email the Persistence when they had not report to see if all was well. I did thank you.
Yes: I have my convictions as to where Natalee was discarded. I use the word discarded because after they were finished with her that is what they did.
I have my doubts about Natalee being in the sea.
However; the comment prove me wrong….
If she is in the sea I pray that the Persistence finds her. Sorry if I offended you but I don’t make things up as I go along……
That is what happens when people read what they want to read not what was written.
read 364: I posted that right after Kyle emailed me to say all was well and he would issue an update.
That is why my post was a little vague. I did not want to steal his thunder so to say.
But in the future should you have any other issues with me please feel free to post them.
Dr. Hodges is now posting that the recepient of Deepak’s email – Betty – now thinks that Deepak is involved in her disappearance. She, apparently, recently returned to Aruba and confronted Deepak who was hostile to her. Betty is an older American who befriended Deepak – probably encountering him at the Internet Cafe before wireless and other options were available to travlers.
Okay Yo Yo, there is very little press on this case anymore; yet, Dr. Hodges has taken two trips to Aruba in recent weeks.
I think this hits close to home for him as his daughter was once a Mt. Brook student and they are from the same neighborhood. He is definitely not seeking attention. He is a true Holloway friend seeking answers.
He did not seek out this case; rather, he was contacted by friends of the family. They asked him to offer his expertise on psych profiling.
You are disrespectful not to refer to him as Dr. Hodges. I work in the medical profession and I have the utmost respect for physicians and their dedication to helping others. There are bad doctors, of course, but my feeling is that Dr. Hodges is a good egg!
Link to Dr. Hodges website where he discusses his thoughts on the case and his two trips to Aruba. He also discusses Betty’s most recent experience with a hostile and frightened Deepak.
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/default.aspx?200819
Sorry, no disrepect for Dr. Hodges, however, what is being said does not make sense. And, I don’t believe Deepak is responsible for Natalee’s disappearance. If that were the case, this would have been over a long time ago. Paulus would have sold Deepak and Satish in a heartbeat if they were the ones that raped, murdered and been responsible for Natalee’s disappearance.
That leaves Joran and / or Paulus that murdered Natalee and Paulus that orchestrated everything following Natelee’s murder…with the assistance of his buddies of course. Remember…no time line has ever been provided for Paulus.
I believe Joran killed Natalee or at least injured her close to the point of death. He woke his father. Paulus knew exactly what had to be done. Paulus is the one that directed the boys to lie and helped them come up with the stories . If Natalee wasn’t already dead, I think Paulus killed her or ordered the killing (Your own father…unbelievable). What else could Deepak have been referring to when making that statement? Paulus knew the only way to have “no body…no case” was to find a fool proof way to get rid of Natalee’s remains. The only fool proof way was cremation. I think she may have been cremated with Yolana Wever…with assistance from Guido Wever. Paulus needed time to put this all in motion. It is for that reason, he had Joran and the K brothers implicate the innocent security guards.
Joran, Paulus and Paulus’ buddies are responsible for Natalee’s murder and disappearance. Don’t get me wrong, Deepak and Satish committed crimes against Natalee but I don’t believe they murdered her or were responsible for her disappearance.
I truly hope I am wrong and that Persistence finds Natalee so she can be taken home and given a proper burial. However, I don’t think that will happen.
The saddest thing is that with so much unemployment on hellhole island, there is not one person who knows what happened to Natalee who is willing to come forward and claim some of the money. There are folks who could have you off that crappy island in a heartbeat and you would never ever have to worry how to pay the rent. Who and what are you so afraid of?
Aruba, come clean and you might have your island back, if not, we will boycott til we have all of you begging on the street for alms.
How many more people have to die for you to protect a select few?
403… Libby, I don’t think Deepak was referring to Paulus killed or ordered a killing of Natalee and that is why Deepak said “your own father”…
I think Joran accidently killed Natalee while having sex with her…(if you could possibly say it was an accident) covering her mouth and smothering her….. I think Deepak and Satish could have also raped Natalee, or perhaps not???? …. they were involved in the coveup… I think Paulus jumped in to help in disposing of Natalee…and that is what I think Deepak is referring to by saying “and your own father”…
The Aruban women in the costumes
at the show are just dancers.
I SURE WISH THEY WOULD HAVE A SHOW IN TEXAS SOMEWHERE, BUT I GUESS MOST OF THEM ARE ON THE EAST COAST,HUH? WHAT I REALLY WISH IS THAT ONE OF THE FOUR STOOGES WOULD COME TO TEXAS. IM SURE ONE OF OUR BIG OLE BOYS COULD GET THEM TO TALK, IF NOT,THEN TAKE EM OUT.JUST LIKE THEY DID TO NATALEE.IF TES CANNOT FIND HER IN THE OCEAN, THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP? WE WILL N-E-V-E-R FORGET!!! YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ARUBA? N-E-V-E-R!!!
hodges fan;
I would think you have read his book concerning Natalee. I read throught it briefly and am reading it again. I can see some of his interpretations however some of it seems as, some else said “Post Facto”. I hope he is right in his findings and Natalee is located.
There is another technique that I’m researching were a suspect gives his declaration and it is written from A to Z. Then the suspect is asked to do it again from Z to A. If a person was lying then the two stories will not be the same.
10061906 – got your message and forwarded it to Dugga and Red. Not sure there’s anything we can do but Dugga will check. Thanks!
Do you think they (Joran 2K’s) could have put the cage in Deepaks trunk (tied it down) and drove to the light house with a long rope and lowered Natalee in the cage into the rough sea there where no one can go since the surf is always raging…could this be the case…just making up this scenario, I don’t know if that could have happened where they lowered her into the sea with a rope off of some cliff???
It is widely believed that Paulus of the ditch was involved, if not wholly responsible, for disposing of Natalee’s body.
(I continue to think that Natalee may well have been taken off Aruba to get rid of her, and possibly for purposes of sexual slavery, but never mind that right now.)
If PvdS did in fact play this role, is it possible, if not likely, that he made his arrangements and did not disclose them to Joran?
Had I been PvdS, I certainly would know enough of my son to realize that he was a walking time bomb. I wouldn’t have told him anything.
Klaasend: I did a trace back of all the possible senarios last night to walk the steps of thes perp. From C & C normaly everyone goes to Mambo Jambo for more drinks, but in case of the sloots, they must have drive to other location. It is only 20 min to the Hotel and the time is 1:30 from closing. But If I continue from the Hotel to the Sloots the time is now 1:50. and if I continue to this other place, it will be already 2:00 am. lets asume 1 hour spend at this place, it would be 3:00 a.m. that leave only 1 hour to plan to get rid of the body.
The boat and sea dump can not be true.
Paul pict Joran up ad 4:00 am at McDonald’s and the reason is that they did not leave him there, it is because they split and he had to walk there
it is more that 1 hr walk from the fishersman Hut to the Mc Donald’s.
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SM: What if her body was taken out to sea the next night right before Beth and Jug arrived? (klaasend)
if they taken the body out to sea the next night, then this acction leaves Joran not walking to McDonald’s since it is another date.
Has JVS stated whether he is willing to take a lie detector test? Has he ever been asked this question on camera, during an interview?
Libby #403:
Maybe it’s already happened! I heard that they had already found Natalee and that she was in the cage with several body parts missing and she was going to be examined.
Remember allllll that time it took the Persistance to get to Aruba?!?!
Who knows?
It was on the radio as a morning broadcast in Houston, Texas; proud of the fact that the yaght was donated by a man from the Woodlands, a popular part of town.
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Justice for Natalee!
Just think….
We’re going to have the
Real Deal…
COWBOYS and INDIANS!
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Death to the Arawak Nation
as Dr. Hodges states on his website, rigor mortis sets in fully within 24 hours (begins at 3 hours) at the 24 hr point they could not have manipulated her body to fit into the crab trap. The only way they dumped her the following night is if they fitted her into the crab trap immediately following the rape/murder, or within 3 hours of the attack.
They would then have to store her body until darkness the following night, crab trap and all, before slithering into the night to dump her in the ocean.
I believe they dumped her the first night. Didn’t a witness see Paulus’ car on the beach? I am pretty sure he was quite involved more so than Dr. Hodges described in his book. I think he was more than post-crime advisor. I think he helped dump her body and was possibly involved in a rape either before her death or postmortem.
Paulus is such a dog the only way he could get lucky is to have sex with a dead girl or at least severely drugged. He’s a real pig!
1906:
I didn’t think you were making up things as you go along. Although, with the way this case has gone up and down and all around, it seems that the story is making it self up as it goes along.
I don’t think that I know everything, and only speak out on the things I feel and know. The truth in the case of Natalee Holloway was not something that was apparent from the beginning and I know of no one that hasn’t guessed at a few things here and there, only to be proven wrong.
The only thing that I concern myself with is the way in which Natalee died and it does not look good, although it does fall into place with the many things that we’ve learnt about Aruba in the past year and a half. They traffic people onto the island to be sacrificed for 97 percent of people of the island.
virgins…
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Justice for Natalee
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You once said that the person who tells my
story… dies. So now I will tell you, they
have sent their spirit… and it did not kill
me. The power of my God is phenominal.
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CROWS
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Klaasend: Did Red or you got in contact with B.T.
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SM: Last I heard everthing was forwarded to Beth. I think the weather has been really bad in Alabama and where Red is the last few days, tornado warnings and stuff. I haven’t heard anything yet..sorry (klaasend)
Hodges Fan:
There is always more than one way to skin a cat.
Besides, as we saw at the Rocks,
it’s not unusual to cut people’s
arms and legs off in Aruba.
In fact, there have been two corpes reported
found in that condition
only decapitated, as well…
Mr. Pitbull and the (supposed) sailor
that drowned over 300 years ago,
if you can believe THAT one.
Just think how many are found
that we DON’T hear about!?!?!?!
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night…
1906: it is not in the ocean, the body is on the island. they only had 1 hr to plan to make sure:
1. nobody will see them
2. Find the perfect place
2. get rid of the body in the dark
3. split up to create seperate stories
4. going back at the same time the next day since it was a perfect place and at that time there is no one around.
5. secure it more so that no one can find it or point to it. They are not going to pick it up again.
6. start creating rumors of here and there to confuse the investigators.
there is a saying: the apple when it falls is not too far from the three…..
it
CapslockWizard:
Yeah, but somebody did see them.
At the beach, putting a girl in
the back of a white truck…
AND
At the Fisherman’s Hut where the
cage was taken.
I think it makes perfect sense that
after she was kept in the cage,
until the time of the festival,
she was dumped along with
the trap at sea.
Thing is:
If the injuries to her bones
match those on the body at the rocks…
It prooves the cover-up that is recorded
on the Chicago Videos.
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It also coincides with the Joran’s mood.
He knew what his family was going to do…
on the evening of June 8, 2005.
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Arawak!
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422…I think that they would want to get rid of the body (Natalee) as soon as possible when her death occured. I don’t think they would have wanted to temporarily bury her anywhere with the thought of, we will come back tomorrow and move her to another location.
Think about it… adrenelin flowing, a crisis happened called “murder”… it all went way too far… they were not use to murdering their rape victims….
I would think the thought of having to go back to where they temporarily burried her would add to their fear factor…knowing she would be noted missing in the morning. No I would think they would want to wash their hands of their filthy deeds that early morning after the murder occurred.
Paulus’s comment no body no crime bought them a false sense of security that they would never have to pay for their crimes.
I think those who know about this and were involved are scared to death to speak since they know the Aruban way is to chop off hands and fingers, etc…they would be targeted and their families. So far they are not talking…but I believe some day they will.
Another thing that’s worth thinking about, though it is most unpleasant to read about …
according to one book I have read, bodies in warm climates simply tend to decay faster, and to attract insect infestation sooner, than in cold climates. This would be especially the case in Aruba … and POSSIBLY might help account for the imperative in Islam (and I believe in the Jewish faith too) to bury a body as soon after death as possible. In other words, the Mideast also is a hot climate.
The remarks about Islam and Judaism have nothing to do with Natalee’s case. But the reality, according to the book, is that nobody is going to want to be moving a body time and time again in the Caribbean (if ever they wanted to do it).
Here is a breakdown of the decomposition process; rough estimates that are varible based on muscle structure, amount of muscular activity leading up to death etc.
Rigor Mortis: begins at (roughly)3 hours post mortem and the patient is in full rigor mortis at 24 hours.
72 hours Rigor is over, dependent lividity (blood pooling with gravity) occurs and decomposition begins (odor).
In a hot place such as Aruba, the body can begin to decompose earlier than 72 hours. It’s variable.
The cadaver dogs would have picked up scent and they also used equipment that can detect a body 10 meters deep within the earth.
All of this says to me that she was placed in the crab trap almost immediately after the crime (Fisherman noticed break-in at 6 am) and taken out to sea. I believe they would have found her had she been buried on land.
Other interesting theories are the graveyard near the police station and the crematorium (all places you’d expect bodies). In their timeframe given their rather low level of intellect, its doubtful they could come up with this idea on the fly, even with lawyer daddy in the mix.
With the crab trap going missing (it laid in one place out in the open untouched for a month behind a hut)and a large knife, presumably to cut a larger hole in the crab trap; coupled with the fact that the “Robber” left items of value untouched in the hut, is indicative of a crime with quick cover up. Nobody was thinking they could use other items in the hut at a later time. They had a single very important mission and nothing detracted from the urgency to dispose of Natalee.
426 Hodges fan:
My opinion is that Natalee was at the Van der Sloots when Beth arrived.
She was already dead and they were discussion the stories that were to be told.
Beth showed up earlier than expected by private jet.
It took Paulus 15 minutes to answer the door.
I believe that Joran and Deepak were both inside. There are three building there;
The main section, sleeping quarters and Joran’s apartment.
Paulus needed a diversion so he got every one to go to the casino. That was a tactical mistake by Beth. I know she wanted Natalee but she should have waited until Joran came from the casino rather then go looking for him.
The round trip to the casino took about an hour.
Meanwhile Deepak and Joran placed Natalee back into Deepak’s car and drove about 3 kilometers east of Montana to the gold mine ruins. This is an area that Joran would be familiar with as he played in the area when he was younger. He knows where all the air shafts are and how deep. Once something goes in, nothing comes out.
Meanwhile Beth returns and Joran and Deepak are waiting for them.
Beth notices that they are not really dressed properly to go to a casino and their clothes are dusty and dirty.
At one time I too felt possibly cremation. But then again that would be additional people to keep a secret.
1906: Canasito area, it is too far from his house. This logic has two problem.
1. The smell comming from the shaft. This is a daily operated area. Dog would have smell it out.
2. Joran had to walk to Mc Donald’s from Canahito area on one shoe and this is quite far. I believe more that two hours walk.
I have said all along …..final disposal happened the night after she vanished…that is why they were all in a panic when Beth and the US people showed up at the Sloot compound. PANIC……SWEAT…..LIES….
Joran WAS HOME when they arrived at the Sloots. Paulus made up the story of him being at the Casino so that Beth and crew would LEAVE the Sloot compound. The time was needed to ‘finish the job’ at hand.
Nut44x4: I agree with you to make the statement “NOT A BODY THEN NO CRIME”, hey have gone on the same hour of the night before to the place to make sure it can not be.
1. smell out
2. seen
3. reached at
4. secluded
Where is the place.
428:You missed the point; some of those shafts are reported to be over 800 (EIGHT HUNDRED FEET) feet deep.
Don’t assume that dogs would be sent there.
Don’t assume that the area was even checked. It is a desolate area. period.
You have no basis for an argument; sorry.
You are definetly not familiar with the area I mentioned.
The two problems are your arguments.
I said drove not walked.
Why don’t people comment on what is posted, not what they think is posted.
431:
well since 1955 I was born in Aruba walk and played all these areas. 800 feed we do not have the equimpent to dig so deep.
Sorry but Do you live here. and are here at this moment in time tot tell me who escavated those area and who live around those are.
1906: you are on the right track but too far off.
remember “AN APPLE WHEN IT FALLS DOES NOT FALL TO FAR FROM THE THREE”
Remeber the Sloots are only familiar with their own area which is Noord and Moko, Matadera etc.
They were not born here to know all the history of Aruba.
It is 3:00AM, your scared and your first instinct will say lets dropit on the beach, but then enters the fear of beeing seen, so the next what come to mind is someting closed by that they are familiar with.
if you have tried to go to Canashito or even in the day time over there and you will see that it is imposible and now to find the 800 feet hole.
433 I have no idea where Canashito is located.
But go to D6
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif
It is not any further than MOKO
MALMOK, PARADERA or the FISHERMA’S HUTS from MONTANA.
Read Joran’s book. Read where he played.
If you are trying to convince me to look elsewhere; you are not doing a very good job!
1906: if Joran drove over there then he must be in a car and he would have gone home from there.
There was not a need for the father to pick him up at 4:00 am near the McDonalds area.
You said drove.
435: Who said he picked him up at 4:00AM
I thought he swears he said he picked up Joran and Natalee at 11:00PM But then that is a lie also because at that time Natalee was at C and C’s and it was Ruth that left at 11:00PM or there about. And besides Joran walked home. Sorry Satish picked him up from the beach in Deepak’s car. No I’m sorry it was Deepak and Satish that drove home and then came back to the beach and picked up Joran.
1906 one day you will read a report title “The logic Question” and it comes all clear.
The issue about lies:
The investigators got played in so easy. Their way of thinking is ” I did not lie to you, it was you that believed me” game
This is the thinking of a person that lies
I think a lot of people, after they tell ONE lie, it becomes easier. And then there is the tangled web they weave. One lie leads to another because you have to keep covering up your lies.
Lying to embellish or dramatize the truth could be a sign of insecurity.
Lying to get out of trouble could indicate trauma in the past, or maybe just adolescence or human nature. It is very human to COVER YOUR OWN @$$…but especially if you have been abused and punished for things that are unacceptable.
I think a lot of us lie to spare peoples’ feelings and in this case his friends
1906: go to F7 in your map.
Another thing over there is no playing field. he lied in his book to cover the tracks.
if he was going to do a sport, he will be doing it over two areas. He is Ducth and soccer is their favorite sport. and where he would play is closed to his own home. he could use two sporting field that is Frans Figarao stadium and Deportivo Nacional soccer field.
They are not the persons that are going to play in Canashito.
Also use Google earth MAP and you will see the differance.
What is the significance of Canashito?
So it is near Hooiberg and Santa Cruz. You know there are three McDonslds on the island and one of them is in Santa Cruz.
capslockwizard: You say you were born on Aruba? 1955?
Tell me where did the railroad start from and where did it end and for what purpose was it used?
How much gold did the Netherlands ship back to Holland?
That is correct you do not have equipment to dig down 800. Someone else did around the turn of the 20th century.
If I had a body to get rid of in a hurry; I would not get a friend up in the middle of the night to get his boat,(unless he who had the boat was also included in Natalee’s rape) to load a body on it and then take it out to sea. In fact Dompig says the radar did not pick up any small vessels, that night.
I would go here and drop here.
Thirty minutes, two people all done.
http://www.gudlyf.com/gudlyf/photos/aruba03/goldmine2.jpg
The railroad started form colorado point to San Nicholas Harbor, It purpuse was to transport Phosphate that was stip mined. The Company was called APC – Aruba Phosphate Company establish in 1874. The mines were worked till 1915.
Gold: was descoverd in 1825 in the valley of LAGABAI near Rooi Fluit.
in 1846 they have found gold and about 1500 kilograms. Some of these pieces are display in Holland Museum.
in the 20th Century, The Aruba Goud Maatschappij requested the labor of the land owners to start the mining process.
The ruins are still there at Balashi and Bushiribana.
from 1878 till 1880 over 2000 ounces of gold were extracted and sent to England. These mines were under the Director Jan vander Biest.
If you want to know more I can go on and on.
BTW I was born in 1955 in Colorado Hospital because my father was worked for the LAGO Oil Tansport Company where I got my sholarship to study Computer Science.
1906: your thought of that area is since you know the area. and it requires complete rational thinking at that moment. When you are scared you are not going to do that.
He does not know the area and from 3:00 to 4:00 you are not going to do that. The first that comes to mind is lets get rid of it.
Lets test you theory –
1. who’s car we are going to use. Let use Kalpoes
2. Let go over there.
3. Let find the hole.
4. Dump the body
5. Joran looses a Shoe
5. Drive Joran home around 4:00 AM
6. Kalpoe goes home to clean the car from the Ants.
see what is wrong with this and compare what we know and what is they said.
Let’s set the timeline. I am not refering to the AM on 5/30/05. I am refering to the night that Beth arrived.
I feel that from @4:00am Natalee was there while they were planning to get rid of the body. When Beth arrived it caused a change of plans. They did not have the amount of time they originally thought. They now have only less than one hour.
1906:
Beth Arrived 5/30/05 night and went to Joran home.
Time: xx:xx pm
Kalpoes car at Jorans home.
Time: 02:00 A.M –now we are already in 05/31/05.
Observation: If they use 02:00 A.M to despose of the body, they must have gotten help to move a body that is almost 24 Hr. dead.
We know that Kalpoe’s car is at home of joran that means they must have used Jorans car or the Father on 02:00 AM
If the did get rid of the body then they must have just driver home. But I do think on 02:00 A.M 05/31/05 they went back to make sure the body is secure and that is can not be found.
Also if they have hide it for 24 hr. They now must have the stomach to go an get it back, put it in the car and then to despose of it at the secure place.
My believe is that they must have dump on 05/30/05 between time 03:30 – 03:35 am the body in an area and then went back
on 05/31/05 when beth has arrived in Aruba, arround the same time 02:00 am – 03:00 am to make sure the body is not to be found.
How they could do it: depends on the state of the body is in
a) if the body is in bad shape and the area is a secured area from the beginning, then just use some materia to cover it more.
b) if they had the stomac to go and handle the dead body that now is 24hr in the heat of Aruba, they could go and between their 4, pick it up and go look for an other buried place. The best place will be in a cemetary but which one?
There are too many roaming animals, especially dogs to leave a body in a shallow grave and then come back later to remove it to a more secure location. After 18 inches of sand on the beach you hit hard rock. So a deeper grave is out of the question. Place a body in a body bag and you could possibly get away a little longer. Now who could supply a body bag and would want to be paid well for it; so well that the person would want cash up front early in the morning.
If we feel that Natalee was/is at the vander Sloots then the logical choice for a cemetery would be the one at St. Ana Church. It is practically right around the corner. It is almost right across the street from the police station in Noord. Paulus would be familiar with it his son went to kindergarten classes at the school. The priest would not talk to Dave but Dennis Jacobs found out about it. Beth and Dave were so close to Natalee in the beginning when they first arrived. I just feel it. Anyway the cemetery walls are low, the gates are not locked and there are plenty of crypts(container). The bank which could have been the one for the ATM withdrawals is right there.
However if we can link the evidence found at Weg Fountein to Natalee’s case then everything shifts to the other end of the island to San Nicolas. Maybe they went to Rodgers Beach or Baby Beach. In this case you have plenty of caves all through the area.
Joran goes to school and Anita teaches in San Nicolas. It also has a big red light district.
You also have the pet cemetery and the Colorado Lighthouse. Lorenzo’s house is only a few kilometers away from San Nicolas. The bloody mattress at Grapefield Beach is not far away from Baby Beach.
And not to forget the clues given by Shango lead you right to the Lourdes Grotto, which is just north of San Nicolas.
We have been given only what the ALE wants us to have. I wish we could have read the statements by Koen, Geoff and the person with only the initials AB that was arrested with Geoff. I would have questioned Michael Dompig and his friend Andre.
The other item is a Paulus’ timeline from the Casino until Beth arrives.
1906: any idea how much money he withdraw that morning.
BTW I have lready research the Cemetary scenarios and there is only 2 that can meet the condition.
the one in Paradera in the back of it and both sides are hiiden with trees.
The one in Noord is low but they have a maintenance worker everyday in it and all crips are marked and documented on a PC Database.
Plausable yes.
but there is another place that they overlooked completely and I have send it to the FBI but have not hear from them. it is not too far from the cemetary.
448 You then bring up another possible scenario.
Geoff van Cromvoirt slapped Natalee when he made advances to her at C and C’s.
Maybe the four went to Geoff’s house in Paradera.
His house is not that far from the cemetery of which you speak. Maybe it was a revenge kidnapping?
Remember someone saw three men place a girl in/on a pickup.
Geoff at that time owned a white pickup.
450…yep I remember that…but am wondering…how sloppy would they have been to expose Natalee’s body while placing her in the pickup truck (during the day I believe)?… So I am thinking this is not a good lead.
I think a lot of these reportings of seeing Natalee’s body were setup to confuse all of us.
If Natalee died that morning or night, who is at the Rocks later in June and why would it have been so important, that the film maker post it to the internet and ALE deny it happen?
Wasn’t it Natalee that the prime Minister was speaking of when he made his speach on June 10th, after the Holloways were told that there had been a confession and that ALE were in the process of recovering her body? Certainly, if you examine the body found at the rocks, it is hardly decomposed at all. It is very early in the morning… the heat had not set in. There is no slippage, discoloration or swelling. It is definately, female; and is too large to be a 10 year old Columbian boy.
I still think that she was bagged up and placed in the water basin. The furniture truck was used to deliver her back to the Van der Sloots; who, in the end, were the ones responsible for disposing of her.
It was at that point, also, that Paulus started saying directly to Joran, “No body, No crime” and Karin Janssen was quoted as saying, “You can’t just march in like a bunch of Cowboys!”
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Arawak!!!
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If the report that my friend heard on the radio is correct, Natalee was found in the cage in 125′ of water with several bones missing; and, the remaining bones are being examined.
Proof of my suspisions are easily attained. There will be several small knive cuts in the bones and perhaps some charring. Any indications of cannibalism will be obvious.
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Justice for Natalee
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SM: How do you know when the aru-bay videos were taken? All we know for a fact is when they were uploaded to the aru-bay site. (klaasend)
Yeah, I know… June 14?
What? 4-5 days later?
Sounds logical to me.