RSSAruba: One Alcohol Intoxicated Island … Should Bars be Responsible for Over Serving?
Does Aruba have a right to complain about the over consumption of alcohol when they do nothing to regulate the serving to minors or the quantity in its bars and clubs?
Does Aruba have a culture of over consumption of alcohol? We are constantly told by the “pro-Aruba” media that it is the tourists fault for their over consumption of alcohol. However, how does that explain its own citizens? The recent article in Amigo expands on this very issue as there was a rash of individuals needing medical attention at Horacio Oduber Hospital.
The personnel of Horacio Oduber Hospital was very busy from December 21 to 26. The reason was mostly consumption of too much alcohol. At least 28 victims of traffic accidents were brought in, versus 12 last year.
Why does Aruba promote the over-consumption of alcohol when it makes them a profit and then complains and blames the victim and makes accusatory comments like Gerald Dompig did against Natalee Holloway when that over-indulgence causes crime?
Why does Aruba not make its drinking establishments responsible for the amount 
of alcohol it serves like HERE, HERE or HERE? Let alone what may be slipped into someone’s drink unexpectedly. Do bars in Aruba care whether they serve people under age? In another much publicized case in America, the rape and murder of Imette St. Guillen, The Falls bar lost its liquor license and was closed down after under age sales and after hours violations, due to the clamor arising from a crime that occurred.
The closing may have been accelerated by the murder case but the bar was ultimately shuttered under a Police Department nuisance abatement action. The court order cited the bar for three instances of selling alcohol to a minor and one charge of selling alcohol after hours since the start of the year.
So why does Aruba continue to promote the excesses of alcohol in their drinking establishments and provide no criminal consequences when crimes occur? The answer is money is more important than health and safety.
In Aruba its not About the decrease in Tourism, but the Increase in Drugs
Rush hour in hospital
ORANJESTAD – The personnel of Horacio Oduber Hospital was very busy from December 21 to 26. The reason was mostly consumption of too much alcohol. At least 28 victims of traffic accidents were brought in, versus 12 last year.
Of the 28 victims, 15 were injured due to physical violence, 2 had an overdose of alcohol and/or drugs, and 6 were injured in accidents in and around the house. Only 6 traffic accidents victims had to be admitted for further treatment. Five of the fifteen victims of physical violence and five of the six persons that were injured in or around the house were admitted, of which 2 in the ICU. (Amigoe: 12/28/2007)
Posted December 28, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Amigoe, Aruba, boycott, Child Welfare, Corruption, Crime, Imette St. Guillen, Natalee Holloway, Travel, WTF | 141 comments |
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That is the only source of income. Drunk em up, drug em up and roll em.
“15 were injured due to physical violence,”
Sure glad this bears out Aruba’s claim of how “safe” their one crappy little island is. NOT.
One only need to read the daily news publications from Aruba such as 24 Ora or Diaro to know that driving accidents are a huge problem there. In many places, not just Aruba motorvehicle accidents involve alcohol and/or drugs. However I have wondered why so many accidents in a country where many of the roads are not paved, and traffic congestion makes high speed prohibitory? One apparent answer is the amount of alcohol consumed.
C and C should definitely be closed down.
Responsibility? In Aruba? Is anyone held responsible for anything there? The very concept seems to be totally alien ….
Oh, yes, I forgot: if an American tourist disappears, it’s her fault.
And her family’s, even though they weren’t on the island.
Today in Diario there is an article about a 17 year old female tourist being brutally assaulted.
# 4 – J4N, Agreed. Shut down Carlos and Charlie’s permanently, then burn the building to the ground, and take the owners liquor license away!
The owners are partially responsible for whatever happened to Natalee that God forsaken night 
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
#4 & #7
Builing is for sale…..maybe it will be gone soon
Speaking of C & C’s
I always thought it was really fascinating
that Joran remembered that his C & c Yard cup
was the color red, but he could not exactly remember
which colors Dirt-pock & SuccOtash Kalpoe got.
He was standing right there, he bought
those two obsequious li’l mouse titties
their drinks, for crying outloud!
He has SELECTIVE MEMORY, just like his
wheezebag ol’ man,
P Diddy!!!
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C&C is closed already. But next week, right next door to where C&C was, a Senior Frogs is opening, which is the same company as C&C…Senior Frogs will be a MUCH bigger club than C&C used to be…All senior Frogs throughout the world are known to be WILDER AND CRAZIER than C&C…This just scares me…As if C&C wasn’t bad enough. And now they are getting a wilder and a crazier club (Senior Frogs)…I personally think the franchise company did this to change the name because of C&C horrible reputation especially since Halloway. So, they think with a new name, they will have a new image and everything will be forgotten about….NOT!!!!!! They are just a whole buncha DRUGGY losers.
If you ask me, it has everything to do with a directed economy and a government mandated way of life. Arubans are dictated that tourism is THE WAY to personal economic wellbeing…the government dictates what is a fair price of consumer products… an association dictates who gets a business license and who doesn’t, for entrepreneurship has to be in accordance to a master plan that benefits tourism development. There is little room for personal initiative and creativity …there is no space for self-determination.
Economic and personal freedom in Aruba is preset within boundaries of action. This causes boredom, because all you can do is sit and wait for the master plan to unfold. When a people is bored and has sufficient resources in their hands to spend, but nothing productive to spent it in or invested on, there are easy routes: alcohol, drugs and food… lots of drunks, plenty of chollers and a lot of overweight people. Just take a look at any of the social pages in Aruban newspapers …many children are overweight, their mamas are overweight and the papas have a big pair of shorts on with a large knit shirt to cover a big abdomen. Over leisure + complacency + money + tied hands, is a sure way to ruin a people.
I really don’t understand why Aruba wanted status aparte. I bet on the average Arubans were better off under Dutch administration than now, even if there were not as many facilities for increased personal riches, because there low possibilities for corruption, laundering, contraband and other easy moneymaking activities.
Unless the people of Aruba act now and do something quick, they can say forever goodbye to the qualitative conditions that made Aruba the tourism heaven of the 90’s and early ‘00’s. Gone is the cleanliness and pristine like environment…gone is the crime free society…long gone is the community control and protection. Now comes the littering, the accidents against a palo de lus or hit and runs as seen everyday in the papers, the daily atracos -whatever they mean-, the caso violacion seen frequently too, the violent street brawls, the insecurity for both tourists and local residents…is this what democracy and indepedendence is all about?
Aruba has to do something to change the direction it has taken…the Natalee Holloway case is the result of the social and official decomposition that began to affect Aruba since over a decade ago. Her disappearance and the manner in which the case was handled brought all the problems out in the open. I hope that the people of Aruba vote against the status quo in the coming elections. Vote anti AHATA, vote anti-MEP, vote anti-Official directiveness and oppression, vote for a radical change, not for opportunists that just want to benefit as much as those that are presently in power.
Susan
If Natalee was over-served and possibly drugged by a bartender at CnC’s they sure at shooting should be held accountable. Moreso, if a bartender can be had for $20.00 to slip a roofie in a drink.
Everyone at C&C, from the owner to the employees, are criminals…slipping a roofie into a drink is the least they can do and it’s nothing in comparison to the rest of the things they do…They are all criminals. The GM pays off the cops, so they wont bother his people…All the cops know how much drugs are in there, but they are paid off pretty well. Just wait until Senior frogs opens. That place will be a million times worst.
On November 21ST ,2007 NURTURER said:
“I am currently reading “Into the Deep” by Andrew Hodges, MD. According to this guy, he got access to an email that Deepak Kalpoe wrote to an American friend of Deepkak’s concerning the accusations against Deepak and his playmates. According to Hodges, the email was actually a confession. As Hodges explains it, the conscious letter writing provides subconscious clues based on wording, punctuation and spacing”.
Hi nurturer;
I believe you and I had a go round concerning Dr. Hodges’ book. I came on like it was post facto information and you suggested I read the book before I slice and dice. Well there are two things about advice:
A wise man does not need it
A fool will not heed it.
Well I fall into neither category so I went out and bought the book.
I came to a similar conclusion two years ago concerning her coming in and out of consciousness and did not attribute it to a drug. I said her condition sounded like “Something Dreaming” where a person is continually choked to almost unconsciousness and then allowed to breath and repeat the process. I then said her death may have been from hypoxia or lack of oxygen to the brain from this choking process. Anyway I am still not convinced about all he has written because I believe what we have from the others who were questioned may reveal that there were more than just the three and that females may have been involved, which is where I’m headed. Especially when Deepak says “we heard a lot of false alarms, she was seen with 2 guys, her hair is cut and it is now red.”
My take on it was someone cut her hair out of jealousy, envy, revenge or perhaps because first aid was required and her hair is now red to me means she sustained a blow to the head and was bleeding.
So thank you for suggesting the book; it is a very stimulating thought process.
There are no real places of interest in Aruba for sightseeing…it’s all beach and booze. American girls end up being targets for the pimp club. American boys end up getting into fights trying to protect the girls. It’s just nowhere to be.
I guess there are still many people that are not fully aware of everything that has happened.
There just has to be a travel advisory made known to unsuspecting tourists. Not everyone has followed the case as closely as others. Some maybe still don’t even know.
Aruba and it’s authorities has thrown smut on us from the beginning and still continues to do so.
If you an American you’re going to single out targeted and harmed.
You know people like our friend Jossy and the independent people of Aruba wish things were different. Back to, as they were at one time.
The big problem is the free zone…that is very attractive to the drug dealers and probably used frequently. Also, you could put a person in one their rented spaces, duct tape and who would know for the time being.
The drug lords that live on top of the hill with flying helicopters
Aruban authorities know all of this does exist and nothing is done about it because they’re all part of what’s happening.
Senior Frogs….that’s an even bigger disaster…they use wine flasks and fill them up with Tequila and pour it down your throat. They’re are going to be so many deaths due to alcohol poisoning. I guess the Mexican’s will accompany the grand opening.
I would think our good friend Jossy and all the independent people of Aruba wish things could return to the way they were.
Unfortunately you’ve got the free zone and you’ve got the drug lords…and now you have the immigrants and all the South Americans.
Why do criminals like Posner like to refuge in Aruba..because no one will bother them.
Your Aruban authorities know all of this does exist and they don’t do anything about it because they are part of what’s going on.
Your free zone…not only can you transport drugs you could transport human trafficing…a rental space, a little duck tape and a person could be held for the time being. No one checks!
Your drug lords, high on the hill, barbed wire, high walls, flying helicopters, sounds and looks like what I have seen in South America.
Amy Bradley, don’t you think it was strange that the crew members wanted to take Amy to C&C’s. She was then a target…when that didn’t happen, they still pursued the target..we will still deliver.
Their are no background checks on these crew members, who knows what’s on the ship’s.
In my opinion, it’s a form of terrorism and our gov’t needs to get involved. Seriously! Aruba is no different than Cuba!
Oh Hey! The more the merrier!
Who cares that 28 people were involved in accidents, due to drinking. Think about the ones that DIDn’t crash! Aruba needs a face lift. Do away with all the flat-headed geezers and get with the REAL world.
It doesn’t matter if they name the club “Peppermint Patti’s” the island is bust. But thanks for the information. I’ll be sure to stay clear of Carlos and Charlies AND Senor Frog. I went to a Senor Frog club in Puerto Villarta. The next day a daughter was looking for her mother who went missing there. It’s believed they snuck her out the back door, after she had too much to drink and ABRACADARA(!) She’s gone!
No matter where you go, your name doesn’t have to be Natalee Holloway, to go missing. Watch how much your drink. Plan on drinking with your friends, at home afterwards, and have a good time.
.
I heard that Natalee was found before they even made it to Aruba. I heard that she was found in the cage with body parts missing and they were going to fly her to the U.S. to do some forensics. The man; who has no connection to the case, nor been following the case; said that he heard it on the radio.
I can only hope that it’s true. What a glorious ending that would be… to expose the man-eating imps and their offspring. I ache for the island of Aruba as their doom will be the strongest feeling of dred that they have ever felt. Exposed for what they are… Magicians
Hey Oduber…
Now you see it,
Now you don’t!
(Gotsha)
Aruba is now under the control of communism…say a
word and off with your head…Chavetz has entered and has control…Posner is there for obvious reasons…the criminal that he is…Ruby Croes in Colombia, just setting up more dirty work and making connections…Goodbye Aruba…you got sucked!!!!!
1906:
I think that your thinking process is something dreamy. There is no scientific proof that any of that hidden message garbage works. It, certainly, is not something that you could allow a jury to consider as evidence.
Besides, does the girl in the bush
look like she died, dreaming,
as she was choked to death?
Or does it look like she
was the target of a picador?
And, where did she get that loin cloth?
.
Arawak!
Well, maybe the Arubans are getting boozed up in frustration over their deteriorating economy and the government’s seeming indifference to the main cause for it.
So pile on, folks! Let’s make sure that they REALLY SUFFER in 2008 … until and unless justice is done for Natalee Holloway.
Brie, absolutely right … drug lords all around, and it’s no trouble to them to transport someone to Venezuela by boat or plane. They can get a pretty penny by prostituting someone out, too … and maybe a young blond American girl, especially one of Natalee’s beauty and decency, would be an added attraction to these scum.
There are psychos out there, especially (I assume) in the world of drugs.
Brie:
You are sooooo right. There is no way that they want their dirty little secret to get out. Especially, if the Dutch are involved.
Hey Queen Bea!
What is your opionion?
Take a look at North Korea’s eating habits
And Please, do tell, is that status quo
for the Never, Never Land?
UPDATE FROM THE PERSISTENCE:
“Update: Fri Dec-28 1200 hrs
Last night, most of the crew and search team took a break and had dinner on the island. As much as we love the Persistence, it was a needed separation both of work and surroundings. For most of us, it was the first time off the Persistence in over a week.
Today, the trade winds are steady and strong. Wind surfers and parasails dot the beach as the Persistence completes the primary grid of sonar lines. To clarify, there is more planned grid remaining to be surveyed but the priority area is essentially complete. Within minutes, we will perform a calibration routine for the USBL acoustic tracking system. When successful, the ROV team will bring out the ROV and perform a test dive. The dive ensures the Persistence can maintain position over a fixed point (in 35+kt winds, 3-5ft swells, and strong cross currents) while the ROV safely navigates to a known point and can adequately maneuver in close proximity to the seafloor. For once, the pressure is off the sonar operators as they breath a major sigh of relief. All eyes will now turn toward the ROV pilot and boat captain as they perform this difficult dance among men and machine.”
And so, now we know approximately where they consider the PRIORITY AREA to be [ “Wind surfers and parasails dot the beach as the Persistence completes the primary grid of sonar lines.” ] Good. I’m sure the vacationers on the beach watching the Persistence gliding back & forth can’t mistaken it for a fishing boat. It would be interesting what the ‘hotel personnel’ respond when someone asks :
what’s going on out there?
Oh, nothing much, just a bunch of Americans scanning for a body that one of our local sporters drugged, raped, and tossed out to sea. Another Aruba Frosty ma’am?
Miss U – I agree. If establishments here in the US can be held responsible for continuing to serve drinks to someone who is so intoxicated they don’t know which end is up, then something bad happens as a result, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It’s reasonable to assume that could be the case anywhere in the world. If it isn’t, it should be. Evidently the Aruban/Dutch officials think they are exempt from any and all laws and they don’t have to answer to anyone.
I don’t believe for a minute Natalee was so drunk that she didn’t know which end was up. I do believe drugs were slipped into her drink by some low life, scumbag bartender. Carlos and Charlie’s played a big part in her disappearance and should be held accountable.
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Somebody….is this right?
Were the MB guests at the HI given endless free drinks during the entire trip?
If so, was that the standard for all guests at the HI?
Update: Fri Dec-28 2030 hrs
The USBL calibrations are completed. The ROV test dive will proceed in the morning. If successful, the first dive on targets will follow.
Patti 23: Before you squeeze off another round; please read it again. The Thought Prints came from nurterer concerning Deepak’s email.
The part of “Something Dreaming” is a technique that teenagers use to get a high or to enhance sex. Look it up or do expect everyone to do it for you?
But in this particular case to subdue someone. This came from the original statements from the perps. ” Sex we all had sex with her while she was coming in and out of consciousness; you would be surprised at how easy it was”. What was said was a perfect example of a choke hold or what is called “Something Dreaming”; period.
So if you can’t add anything other than your
cana ballistic theory please post somewhere else like on “Wild Kingdom”. I personally don’t need your ridiculous comments.
Mdabby 12 Here Here; and Dennis Jacobs along with Dompig are a perfect example and it is called obesity along with stupidity. I agree that is the net result of your observation.
Well it’s sort of old fashioned, but in MY neck of the woods (some years ago), concerned fathers in our town adjudicated a problem beach bar (actually right on the beach) that contributed to more than a few daughters ‘downfall’. They estimated it took a gallon of petrol and a match after close at 3:30 in the morning. Interestingly, no one was hurt, mysteriously none of our volunteer firefighters were available to respond to the fire siren for about one hour. Yes, “Harry’s” became a pile of ashes and was never rebuilt.
CnC, Senor Frogs, whatever…..all it takes is a bit of petrol and a match. Wouldn’t surprise me if one day, some Aruban father flips and avenges his daughters honor. It’s called power of the people.
Hopefully we will find Natalee… I wish in all my heart…!!!
bob 32: Same thing happened in my area but it was a porn shop that they could not close down. It caught fire and they couldn’t get the doors open at the firehouse for quite awhile. Seems like this porn shop to was nothing but melted cd’s and tapes.
Aruba…the same as Cuba!!!
Another update from Persistence – oh, baby!!!
“Update: Fri Dec-28 2143 hrs
The USBL calibrations are completed. The Persistence just reached the dock to spend the night and take on fresh water. The ROV test dive will proceed first thing in the morning. If successful, the first dive on a sonar target will follow. It will be difficult getting sleep tonight. Months of planning for some, years of planning for a few have all come down to the next couple days. Although unspoken, the stress is intense. We all seem to cope in our own ways. What stays on the surface is unwavering professionalism and focus. Inside, we all hope and pray tomorrow goes perfectly.”
The words that just got my blood racing was: “the first dive on a sonar target will follow. It will be difficult getting sleep tonight.”
Well boys and girls, it is obvious they have ALREADY marked off and plotted TARGETS. You will recall they test dropped a metal cage to test the sonar ping contrasts off such an object. (Smallish) They’ve also located many large objects not considered targets- several sunken boats, cables, etc. They know approximately what they are expecting to find. Now that phase I is completed, the ROV teams who will operate the camera unit will go into action. As I’m sure ARUBA is monitoring this blog and the Persistence blog……they must be using a hell of a lot of Charmin tonight.
Looks like it is starting to get down to
the meat and potatos with the RV PERSISTENCE
now!
-J4N
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Bob, I am hopeful and praying but let’s not get our hopes up too high. The Persistence crew needs our unwavering support no matter the outcome.
Based on Kyle’s comments, I am optimistic that they have tagets of interest that will yield results, but it won’t be easy and failure is unfortunately still a possibility.
Crossing fingers and toes that Natalee is found soon. If she is found, we need to flood our government with letters that Aruba should be banned with as much vigor as Cuba! Any country that openly targets american girls for rape and murder should not receive one penny of our tourism dollars. Aruba should be on the banned list!
Hi Scared Monkey:
Can you guys do an article on judge corruption in Aruba? Can you expose all the conflict of interest relationships and post some pictures of Paulus’ good buddy judge who was instrumental in covering up Natalee’s rape and murder?
Thanks!
Knowing what we know now,Any woman who drinks anything that is served in a Aruban bar is an idiot.
Oh I forgot BOYCOTT ARUBA
#38, Ralph
Amen.
Today, maybe this morning (Sat.), the search team plans the first targeted dive on a positive sonar reading, with others to follow. I know everyone has heard me say over and over, that Natalee is in the landfill and not at sea. I hope I’m wrong. I would love to see it all end on the first dive, and Natalee returned home.
Jerry
While we are waiting for Persistence to locate the cage, let’s review some of the Aruba players who are tagged for worlwide disgrace and distain:
“Jug Twitty provides his opinion of some of the players who have been involved in the Natalee Holloway investigation. In an investigation with so many twists, turns and flat out lies, we thank Jug Twitty for his honesty and candor during last nights interview.
Dana: “Jossy Mansur”
Jug: “He’s a man of his word. I’ve been to his house, met his wife, his sons went to same military school, I trust him.”
Dana: “Julia Renfro”
Jug : “She has her own agenda and her whole deal she ran us around, she has some kind of connection to Paul.
Dana: “Paul Van der Sloot”
Jug: “is a coward, I’m a father I’m a very good father, this man is not and I see his face at night he’s evil.”
Dana: “Dennis Jacobs”
Jug: “A puppet, he’s dirty I could tell the first day the man’s string pulled by somebody”
Dana: “Gerald Dompig”
Jug: “Dompig, I never sat down with him face to face.”
Dana: “Oduber, the Prime Minister”
Jug: “Oduber, very wishy washy. Sat with Beth and I we had dinner with wife and him and gave him confidential information that he was flabbergasted about but he did nothing, He really has no power down there really.”
Imagine, a “Prime Minister” who has no power, and therefore exerts no leadership. Supreme pathetic/useless individual. Nice example you set for your people, Ace!
#26 Bob….hmmmmm just wondering…you mentioned that the vacationers can view the Patience going back and forth (from the shoreline). Gee, I would have thought that the search would definately have been further out to sea…can’t imagine the murderers dropping the cage so close to shoreline?
I am hoping this is the first area and they will take their search further out to sea (miles)?
Sorry, I meant the Persistence not Patience (although I need it)
)
Thinking it through, the murderers probably would not take the cage (with Natalee) far out to sea because they know that this cage would sink and her body would never come to shore….also, I would think they would not drop the cage in the area where normally all of the island fisherman would drop theirs.
#40…Ray..even if your a women in Aruba and NOT drinking it doesn’t mean your safe. You could get run over by some other drunk, there’s enough of them around with illegal drivers licenses. Even the legal ones drive drugged and drunked up!
There’s is nothing on the that island spells safety.
#47…Sharon Chicago…I believe they think Natalee is approximately 3 miles out to sea. There is depth ledge 1000 ft deep and that is where they are searching. There isn’t that much marine life that far down so the fisherman wouldn’t drop their cages there.
Forget the bars acting responsible as we have seen that will never happen, just shut Aruba down.
10061096 (#15) … Another possibility in the red hair thing … Natalee’s hair was dyed in an attempt to make it easier to get her off the island. But whoever was doing it wasn’t too knowledgeable about how to do it … or maybe was just strung out on drugs?
This, of course, would imply that Deepak either took part, saw what was going on, or simply heard about it later. Who knows?
I echo the thoughts above: if Natalee’s body is in the water (which I doubt), pray God that the heroes of the Persistence find her.
Sharon of Chicago: The search area is 22 sq miles! The eye can see pretty far out from the shoreline. Their starting point, from my understanding, is not but a few miles offshore; however, that search area extends out to sea.
The blog site covering the search is very imformative, you should consider reading it thoroughly.
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
Mention was made above about Cuba.
How many Americans are missing on Cuba? And how many on our “friendly” island of Aruba?
And on which island is there a cover-up?
So which island represents, at least in some ways, a greater hazard to our people?
And in light of this, how do the terms “friendly” and “enemy” get the meanings that they have?
ralph 39:
A good place to start…
http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/hmmmm.html
Ralph This is what I believe you are looking for>>>>
http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html
Update from Persistence:
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/
Saturday, December 29, 2007
IX. Dive Series – The Next Phase
Special Update: Sat. 29-Dec-1100 hrs
From Tim Miller:
Please allow me to give my sincere appreciation for all the comments supporting our efforts in our search for Natalee. Today is an exciting day as we will now begin working the ROV in hopes of finding a special treasure at the bottom of the sea named Natalee.
Let us keep Natalee, Dave, and Beth in our hearts and prayers. Also, let’s not forget all the other families of missing loved ones.
Texas Equusearch has been so very blessed with the support of Underwater Expeditions, the R/V Persistence (Silvetti Group), and their crew – which I think is the best in the world- for all their heartfelt efforts.
May it be His will to bring Natalee home.
-Tim Miller
Texas Equusearch
Thanks Brie… and also now thinking it through again, on a boat traveling three miles out to sea would give one a feeling of being hundreds of miles from the island, with being surrounded by nothing but miles and miles of ocean, would have given them a false secure “we got away with it” feeling.
Thanks Ralph will read site now…
#52 … I don’t think Natalee’s hair was dyed at all…I think we should keep the theory simple…
Joran, 2K’s were last to be seen with her, my theory is, she was raped and murdered…I think it was a rape that went further and ended in Natalee’s death.
Was Paulus and others involved, absolutely… They wanted to get rid of Natalee’s body immediately so no one would find her and charge them all with murder.
We all have our theories as to where Natalee may be hidden. I myself have a few. Of all the locations, if she is in the sea, that is the only area from which she will be able to be brought home. Any other place on that Island means that she may be forever lost as no one on the Island will permit a land search.
Crew of the Persistence; please prove me wrong.
Richard, regarding Cuba, many of my Canadian friends have traveled there and enjoyed it very much. It is a little unfair to compare Aruba to Cuba as I suspect Cuba is a much safer place. I believe as well that they would greatly appreciate American dollars. Cubans don’t hate Americans, for the most part, either. Whereas, Aruba has proved to be an unsafe place for American girls, they want our tourist dollars though they loath us.
Let’s not compare Aruba to Cuba anymore, it’s not fair to Cuba
I don’t know if Natalee’s hair were dyed either. My point was only … if this email from Deepak is based on something real, perhaps the explanation of its being done to help disguise her is what happened.
Sharon….about the distance from shoreline. For many years BEFORE the Natalee travesty, we vacationed on Aruba off and on. I can tell you that even without binoculars, on most days the water/weather cooperates and you can see out or in “for miles”. We often could see regular fishing boats, based in town, in what appeared to be “miles out”. Also pleasure craft and the obligatory drug runners flashing accross the water from the opposite shoreline 17 miles away. It was very clear. Also remember that the Persistence is NOT a small boat, and stands out on the blue-green waters quite easily. Very easy to see by the curious, inept Polis, and those instructed by the corrupt government to monitor and film with long distance lenses. Is anyone foolish enough to think Aruban ‘officials’ are ingoring the search activities just off their shoreline, with the entire WORLD aware and watching? LOL, not a chance.
I am certain even radio transmissions are being intercepted, recorded and monitored. You can bet your last dime, that the instant Persistence makes any kind of positive newsworthy announcements, all hell will break loose. You can expect a government launch to steam out and request or demand permission to board the Persistence to review what ever was ‘drawn from the waters’. I tell you, all hell will break loose. Unlike Pitbull who ‘committed suicide’ without arms and legs…this won’t float as well.
On the other hand, all this was long ago discussed, planned, and protective course of action directed when this all transpires. Bet on that.
I hope that if the Persistence finds anything “of interest” in the water, that every action will be filmed. That won’t matter to Aruba … but who cares about those scum? It WILL matter to the rest of the world.
The overload of drinking in aruba was very apparent in the early days of Natalee’s disappearance. Every brochure, and ad for aruba includes lots and lots of drinking activities. Take a bus tour of the island which includes plenty of drinks, take a boat tour of the island and suck’em down, for God’s sake they even offer drink and scuba tours! Why? How? Who would want to put an inebriated person in the deep water to scuba dive! What a nightmare of a “place”.
When will the people in charge in Aruba start addressing the lies and conflicts of interests made by the suspects, their families and the ones in charge instead of talking like they live on the good ship “Lollipop”? Wake up ladies, they don’t care about you in Aruba..the whole purpose of providing so much booze is to take advantage of women for sex and their money. Natalee Holloway should prove they don’t give a damn about your well being or what happens to you if you are a victim. Look how they have tried to trash her for being a victim of a crime by the creeps roaming the island.
Par the course . These people are FOS. Dompig asked for a search, but was denied, Anita they searched the house and property twice and per the Judge Witt, Dompig didn’t ask for a full property search.
On October 9 “FoxNews” asked DOMPIG “And the police only searched his apartment, deputy chief?,” DOMPIG replied, “That is correct. The fact is that we as a law enforcement agency always try to get the maximum. Meaning that we want to search as much places as possible. We were not granted by the judge a search warrant for the complete house, we only received the warrant for the apartment.” When DOMPIG was then asked “But what about after Paul van der Sloot was arrested, couldn’t you get a warrant to search the house then?,” DOMPIG replied, “It was also denied, we were a bit disappointed with that.
VAN SUSTEREN: What has been seized from this house?
A. VAN DER SLOOT: The first time it was one computer that we all use. There’s no lock on it so we can see what the kids are doing, one laptop of my husband that he only uses for his work, my digital camera what was on my desk, not in Joran’s room on my desk. And I just had a field trip with middle-schoolers and I took pictures of a sand sculpturing project that we were doing because I’m an art teacher and there were like maybe 20, 25 pictures on it and I told the police, listen, this is material I want to use for school but for the rest there’s nothing on it. You can look at it but they took that too.
They took all kind of things from Joran, a little kind of an MP3 player. They took tapes, also a tape of his tennis, college tennis camp. And the second time they took — they did a house searching, the garden, the pool. They took the two cars.
For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)
Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.
-Willemstad- “I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who’s avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.
On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ……. (no idea)
Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran’s father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.
At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.
The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.
I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.
I have been hoping and praying that Natalee is found on the search. For everyone, pray like you never have before that Natalee is found and given back to her parents. After all this bs, it’s more apparent then ever, once Natalee arrived in Aruba, she didn’t stand a chance against creeps lurking around and watching the American female tourists(victims) of their sick games.
And don’t forget the pirate ship, lots of drinking there and you fly off high at the end of a rope into the water. Steve Croes and the party boat, there out to sea until midnight boozing it up!. I wonder how many have drowned that we don’t know about.
They serve an abundance of booze to those kids who are only 18 and inexperienced drinkers.
http://tinyurl.com/38wg8q
-j4n
OMG Carpe….LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn’t Skipper from Gilligan’s Island
have a pair just like ‘em?
#63 Bob….I hope when they find Natalee and the cage that they are able to cable hook the cage and go further out into international waters and then life the cage out of the water so they can be legitimate with being able to … push Aruba back when they demand the body of Natalee… so they can take Natalee home to the USA where she belongs.
Those foul idiots … I am so glad Dave is not on the Persistence for a number of reasons … because I can see Aruba arresting Dave etc…breaking their stinking law…
I thought about that same thing, Sharon!
I wouldn’t let her remains out of my direct
line of sight. With what has been allowed
to transpire during Natalee’s investigation…
I wouldn’t trust ANYONE from Aruba. I hope
they are successful in getting Dr. M. Baden
to do the autopsy. -j4n
I’m thinking the perps have done this before and there could be more bodies out there.
I pray to God that they find Natalee!
Just in case no one has noticed lately….not a single peep from Beth Holloway. If I were ARUBA, I would be VERY afraid of the next words coming out of Alabama. There is a volcano building, and when she goes, it will be like the shot heard around the world. It boggels the mind how ARUBAN officials fail, even to this day, to comphrehend that AMERICANS are like wounded pitbulls. We have latched on to Natalee as a symbol, and we will NEVER let her go.
ARUBA will be destroyed economically, slowly, so it hurts like hell. Bet on it.
#64.. Richard…yes, to record and film is great…even though Aruba would say the video was altered and changed….and therefore not permissible under their law.
They should all be body wired too …and have a few FBI agents with them on board the Persistence.
It is so crazy that Aruba is so evil and would do whatever they could to stop the truth from “surfacing”….pure evil
#74…if the perps have done this before “murder that is”…. then it was done to female islanders who are of a lower class (non Dutch) …who are not allowed a voice…
They probably have raped many tourists by drugging them first…
No matter how you look at it..Joran and the Kalpoes are guilty of kidnapping…so why does the penalty for that does not happen….Joran has no witnesses…so therefore, he is responsible for what ever happened to Natalee…..!!!!!!!!
Sharon,
For sure, I think the 15-year-old girl (not 100% sure on age) that had been missing for a year, whose body was found in a junk pile not far from the Sloot’s abode is an example. You can’t find anything about it, but I think there are those on this site who will vouch for me on this.
I think there are multiple murders that we don’t know about. Possible a serial killer or serial killers are living and operating on the island. It would not be anything uncommon in this day and age.
Jerry
1906:
Then perhaps I should tell Nurturer that there is as much evidence that Natalee was killed in an Ancient Indian Ceremony as there is that she was choked to sleep while people were boinking her.
Personally, I believe the heritage of the Arawak Nation and bloody history that they have with the Free Masons who worked together to condone Slavery in Antiqua, as well as, Aruba.
Besides, why would 97,000 people be embarrassed over a little “Teen Rape and Murder”? Would that be worth this level of corruption and cover-ups?
I say the Arawak Nation has gone toooo far in Sacrificing an American Angel to a Pagan god who is also paised for producing magical or voodoo powers. In my first reading of Natalee, she thought that she was going to a church. So when she got to the rocks, she though; “what kind of church is this, anyway?” And when they grabbed her, she cried, “Mummy, please; you know I’m not that kind of person.” and there was a man shaking an ancient bone a hand, at her. He is the high priest and the one that, actually, killed Natalee. But all of them are guilty, because they knew what was to become of her. Joran was ready to confess and Van der Straaten was ready to pull the plug and send him to the Looney Bin.
But it was Oderber who ordered the cover-up of Natalee’s death… now THAT’s EMBARRASSING as well as CRIMINAL.
Hey Oduber!
Now we see you,
Now we don’t!
WHOA!!!!!
I think I need a proof reader?!?!?!
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I say the Arawak Nation has gone toooo far
by Sacrificing an American Angel
to a Pagan god who is also paised
for producing magical or voodoo powers.
In my first reading of Natalee,
she thought that she was going to a church.
So when she got to the rocks, she thought;
“What kind of church is this, anyway?”
And when they grabbed her, she cried,
“Mummy, please;
You know I’m not that kind of person.”
and there was a man shaking
An Ancient Bone, a Hand, at her.
He is the high priest and The One…
But all of Aruba are guilty,
because they knew
what was to become of her.
Joran was ready to confess,
and Van der Straaten was ready to pull the plug
and send him to the Looney Bin.
But, it was Oderber
who ordered the cover-up of Natalee’s death…
Now… THAT’s EMBARRASSING as well as CRIMINAL.
.
Hey Oduber!
You piece of SHIT!
How’s this for MAGIC?
Now we see YOU,
Now we DON’t!
.
Death to the Arawak Nation!
IT baffled me
until I found out that people
call ANITA “Mummy”.
There’s no telling where Natalee thought she was going and for what purpose. But it’s obvious to me that Anita took her there. Maybe she was told to remove her shirt.
Because… Natalee WASN’T like THAT!
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Here’s a question for all you web surfers…
WHO’s THE HIGH PRIEST OF ARUBA?
Hi Joran;
I hope you get a chance to read this letter. I’m sorry I could not write sooner because of the state of my body I had to find someone to write this for me. You see there is nothing I can do anymore. Why did you and the others do this to me? I never did anything that I deserved what happened. I was only here celebrating my graduation with my friends.
You were to take us back to our hotel; did we ever get there? I don’t remember. There is a lot I don’t remember after we got into that taxi. I do remember saying, screaming, begging you to stop what you and your taxi cab drivers were doing to me. But they wouldn’t. You kept pushing the envelope until I died. I DIED. Is that why I can’t do what I did before?
I’m dead?
I would be a senior in college next year learning to be a doctor to help people. Do you realize how many children’s lives are on your hands because I won’t be there to help them?
Please tell them where I am; it is so cold and lonely here. I miss my mother and brother Matt and especially Macy. She misses me too. Please tell them where I am. I’m a stranger here and I don’t know where I am. I only want to go home. It’s so cold and lonely here I want to see my friends again.
Why did your father treat me the way he did and make my father look for me in a garbage dump. Is that all I was after you and your friends were finished with me?
I was just trash.
Is that why your mother can describe my underwear because you kept it for a trophy and that is why they called me a whore to my mother’s face?
You think you and your father hold all the keys. But you don’t. I have one and because of what you did to me I am able use it to open the lock to your minds and souls. That’s right I can come and visit you at night when you are all asleep and I can make all of you relive everything that happened. Everything you did to me. Why did you take my life?
Wasn’t violating me and taking away my dignity enough? I’m so cold, I want to go home. Please tell them where you threw me away.
Wait I do remember. Yes I do remember something. There was this guy with a camera. Just tell him for me that every time he looks through a camera lens all he will see is me laying there helpless while you and all the others took advantage of me. You also have some friends; brothers I think that moved. But in my altered state I can visit them at night. There is another favor you can do for me. Tell that kid Jeff that hit me I did not go to the police so he did not have to take out his anger and revenge on me.
It’so cold here; please help me go home. Why does your girlfriend wear my earrings?
I thought you threw them away too.
My how my disappearance has really snowballed. No; not the porn in your mind.
A snowball starts out small at the top of a hill and as it goes down the hill it keeps getting bigger and going faster until it is huge.
You see since I have been away I have found so many friends that want to help me get home. They want to help by starting a snowball effect on the word boycott. See Joran; not just against your pissy little island you live on but to the motherland as well. They are ready to start boycotting all Dutch products in the United States. Why because us Americans stick together.
Oh you and your dad and godfather think they are kidding. Here is an example.
Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream
30 Community Drive
South Burlington, VT 05403
They are the first of many on the list.
It will start out small and then grow; and when they can’t afford you anymore; well you know the consequences.
It’s so cold and lonely here. I want to go home. Please help me.
I know I will be going home soon because there are people who care and have the SECRET.
The secret you do not possess.
Wait I think I hear a motor. I have to get ready in case they find me.
Oh please find me I’m here, I’m right here why can’t you see me?
.
But, What about NATALEE’s Truth?
.
#80 Waterboy… How does the serial killer theory tie into Joran and the 2K’s? Are you saying that they might be the serial Killer (s)? or …are you implying that Joran and the 2K’s could be innocent due to a serial killer loose?
The search for Natalee is as much about finding her as it is about finding about her. The body will reveal the truth of what happened to Natalee. The bones will cry out for her, at a time that she lay silent.
.
Justice for Natalee
Correction:
Natalee says, “Mummy, Please!
You know I’m not like that.”
Sharon,
I believe that at one time they thought Joran might be a serial killer. (Carpe, help me out here. I know you know the story.)
That they are guilty of harm to Natalee, there is no doubt.
Their only regret is not for what they have done, but that the chickens came to roost in their hair.
Jerry
Natalee disappeared on May 30 in the early morning….anyone know why Joran and the Kalpoes were at the police station hours later. Anyone know why Deepak’s car was at the police station shortly after when Beth arrived? It had to of been about Natalee!!! We’ve never heard anything as to why they were there!
You can bet on this…when Natalee is found it’s hands off to Aruba!!!
The ALE and Aruban authorities live off of the drug lords…what’s the secret!
The very latest from Persistence:
“Update: 29-Dec- 2335 hrs
Dockside, the ROV team went into action this morning on board the Persistence. Before a test dive could be performed, all systems were checked and rechecked. Once the diagnostics were complete, the Persistence and crew went out to a test dive site known to be free of obstructions and major hazards to the ROV. The purpose of testing the ROV was two fold: 1) ensure all systems function perfectly underwater in full operation mode, and 2) prove the Persistence could hold location over the ROV, track the vehicle, and maneuver itself to keep the ROV umbilical cable out of the ship’s screws.
During the first test dive, the deployment went smoothly. The ROV motored to the bow of the boat, while the captain kept the stern of the Persistence into the seas. The purpose of this maneuver was to keep the ROV umbilical out of the ship’s screws. During this maneuver, the umbilical got temporarily hung up on the ship’s hull, but freed itself. The visibility through the water column with the ROV cameras was excellent. When the ROV reached the seafloor we noticed it could not maintain control over it’s attitude because of the very strong currents. On the second and third test dive more weight was added to better control the umbilical and ROV. At dusk, the final test was successful and proved we could maintain safe control over both the Persistence and ROV. With a sigh of relief from all, the Persistence and crew resumed survey mode. We will run additional sonar lines into the early morning. ”
Closer, and closer, and closer, and closer.
ARUBA! – you had better start to shake and hug your children. The Archangel of the Deep is about to give up a great secret. God have mercy on the guilty and corrupt officials of ARUBA.
I think if I hear about
bones crying out on more time,
I will attempt to crack a walnut
open with my butt cheeks.
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http://tinyurl.com/2f6jpq
http://tinyurl.com/2fmsfb
http://tinyurl.com/28k5k6
http://tinyurl.com/ypl4jn
Jerry,
He has all the makings of being one!
If they let him skate and get away
with Natalee’s rape and murder…
He’ll do it again. Aruban Law Enforcement
has only bolstered his confidence that he can
get away with anything now. It is only a matter
of time before he meets someone else
who tells him no.
He’ll do whatever he wants to do.
He’ll kill again. (2 the bank)
-j4n
Nat pics:
http://tinyurl.com/3caymm
All of you are talking bad about aruba… oke
atleast we didn’t let MICHEAL JACKSON free..
and to let you all ( the one’s that don’t have a life and is just sitting and complaining)know,that are economy is going up.. i still like the USA but not those who think there better than others..
i agree about somethings you say..
but when you all (those who sad it ) say “THE HELL WITH ARUBA” then your going before us..
If you all want justice you all will pray that justice will be served.. and i as an happy arubian that soon want to be the president say: that we want this case to end aswell.. and for the one who did it..Justice will come..
Praying will help complaining will let us shine even more cause you all are waisting your time talking about us… Peace from us
and if you want to ask me something, i will talk to you as a person, and will answer you as a person, no need to give bad comments..cause it isn’t helping..
buskaruba@hotmail.com i’ll be having fun at the beach wen you send me an e-mail
peace aruba
peace usa
peace the WORLD… have a good day
Sharon Chicago (#77) … My belief is that at this point, Aruba will not prosecute anyone. No matter what the evidence may be if Natalee’s body is found. They will find some way to weasel out of it … “that’s her body, but how can we prove who put it there”?
“Besides, we don’t have jurisdiction.”
Anything that you can imagine, Aruba might say.
And I agree with Patti on one matter: this whole cover-up is not just for the punk kids and the scumbag father. Imagine … PvdScum didn’t get to be the judge he wanted to be.
If he had as much power as some think, he would certainly have gotten the job.
So something darker is involved.
My belief, as you know, is that Aruba knows or has reason to suspect that Natalee was taken off the island for forced porn and prostitution.
Nothing else, to me, justifies the cover-up. THAT is what would destroy Aruba forever and ever, and the political pressure in the U.S. for a travel advisory to Aruba would be irresistable.
If Natalee’s body is found in the water, I will have been proven wrong. But not until then.
USKARUBA,
We don’t think of Michael Jackson (at least I don’t) as a normal person or in anyway a good representative of the Red White and Blue. Just like I hope you don’t think of Joran as a normal person or a good example for Aruba. We just don’t have the corruption that seems to permeate the air like it does in Aruba.
We have our fair share of “problem people” doing unspeakable things to innocent others, but our system as a general rule does not cover their crimes, destroy evidence, and intimidate witnesses to keep them from talking. We try to lock our “problems” away where they belong, and would you believe it, we get criticized for that.
We seem to be the only country in the modern world (other than Israel) that is willing to go any where in the world to hunt down the criminals who would try to destroy our way of life, we do have help from Britain, Canada, Australia, and others. For this I am thankful and grateful, but we would go alone and without the blessings of the United Nations if we had too.
I’m thankful we have a President that still remembers his is between his legs, and not on loan to some “drug lord” or whatever the hell is going on in Aruba.
Jerry
BUSKARUBA,
Not USKARUBA.
Sorry, nothing intended.
Jerry
Buska,
I took that number down that you were
asking about yesterday.
It’s 1-888-HOOKED ON PHONICS
Best of luck in the new year. Happy 2008!
I hope it works for you.
Sincerely,
Your pal
Melvin
Yes indeed BUSK, go down to the beach and sit in the sun while we search the ocean floor for Natalee. It’s clear you are brainwashed by ARUBAN corrupt officials and are conditioned to accept anything thrown at you. That’s YOUR choice. OUR choice is to find Natalee, and ensure that the entire WORLD knows what YOUR miserable “officials” did and did not do. While on the beach, look up “BOYCOTT”,”ECONOMIC DISASTER”,”WORLD DISTAIN”,”RIOTS”,”HUNGER”,”LAUGHING STOCK”, “LAWSUITS”, and “POVERTY” in the dictionary. No dictionary? Look them up on-line.
As for the perps and corrupt……Malak al-Maut is coming, all will know him. He has four faces and four thousand wings, and his whole body consists of eyes and tongues, the number of which corresponds to the number of evil people inhabiting the earth. He will be the last to die, recording and erasing constantly in a large book the names of men at birth and death. You have a great New Year.
Buska,
F&&K ARUBA AND BOYCOTT ARUBA UNTIL HELL FREEZES OVER
THIS CRIME WAS COVERED UP FROM THE START AND YOUR CRAPPY LITTLE ISLAND FILLED WITH CRAPPY LITTLE LIARS IS GOING TO PAY WITH NO TOURISTS AND NO AMERICAN DOLLARS.
To Buskaruba: Are you in outer space? Your economy is going to hell – you have double digit inflation – your lending rates are sky high – your utility costs are over the top – have you been to a supermarket recently? Tell the world what the minimum wage is in Aruba?
#98…buskaruba…the whole world is talking about Aruba and it isn’t good…..why don’t you make an attempt to do something decent by taking up a donation from your islanders and sent it to TES…you see our ship and you know why we’re searching…do something to help!
Buskaruba-
Micheal Jackson’s accuser had his day in court.
When will Natalee be able to say the same?
#94 is disturbing news that the strong currents made the ROV not maintain altitude/drift about….
If Nat were dropped into the ocean that means she could have drifted by strong currents before she ever landed on the ocean floor.
Patti, Wasn’t Anita in the Netherlands when Natalee disappeared?
#98 – TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
TO HELL WITH ARUBA!!
Get my drift? TO HELL WITH THE NETHERLANDS TOO!!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
“It talks about the students being free to pair up and that Natalee shared with Ruth, Lee and Madison in room 7114 of the HI. They arrived Thursday afternoon.
- then the story mentions the location of the room, the things in the room, the fact that Ruth and Natalee shared 1 twin bed.”.
These excerpts are from Joran’s book. I have searched and found no other documents that would lead to these statements by Joran.
This leads me to two conclusions. One; at some time Joran was in that room or two there were hidden cameras recording the girls activities.
Can anyone comment on this?
Or, since we know that Joran was hanging around the Mountain Brook kids for a few days, misrepresenting himself as a Dutch student visiting, maybe he was asking around about who was who, and where they were staying.
Can we surmise that possibly someone told him to find out about Natalee in particular?
Dont know if i belive the sacrafice stuff on here but i do find something interesting ,no one from Aruba seems to dispute any of that talk,may be theres some truth in it.
I remember hearing that at one point someone tried to gain entry into the girls’ room, presumably while they were there. But I don’t know if this is an Internet myth that has come to be accepted as true.
…1906…I don’t know why Joran said that, the Holiday Inn doesn’t have twin beds. Probably in some way trying to discredit Natalee by saying she slept with Ruth. He’s such a liar.
I don’t doubt there were hidden cameras, maybe he was trying to say someone was spying on their room. Like, Geoffrey.
If you look up the Holiday Inn in Aruba, you can ake a video tour. If you look at reservations re are no twin beds. In fact, I don’t know of any hotel rooms they just have a twin bed. Accommodations for 4 people are two double beds.
I haven’t read Joran’s book, I wish someone could publish it in English. I’m sure he lied through the whole book knowing that most American’s could not read it. I wouldn’t want to spend the money knowing there is a kickback for him but I am curious as to what he said. A lot of accusations about Natalee, I bet.
67 – Maggie: you hit upon the critical fact, as did perhaps 1906.
Natalee was being stalked.
THEY TARGETED HER. They followed her, they selected HER for the victimization and criminal acts they inflicted upon her.
That is why the Commissioners of evil never developed a TIMELINE for PAULUS AND JORAN AND HIS PALS prior to their kidnapping Natalee.
That is why there is no follow up questions to Paulus and all HIS LIES, after Beth arrived at his home on May 31, at 3 AM in the morning.
That is why there was never any investigation into those casino tapes, and the MAJOR PROBLEM with Paulus’ timelines vs. his KNOWN LIE-STATEMENTS.
THE EVIL MONSTERS WERE AIDED BY OTHER DEVILS ON THE ISLAND WHO COLLUDED WITH THEM IN THIS DEPRAVITY.
Natalee NEVER had a chance. Once she was selected, she had NO CHANCE to defend herself from being DRUGGED, KIDNAPPED, GANG RAPED, MURDERED, AND DESECRATED AS THESE MONSTERS DID TO HER.
So, the plan they have now is to continue denigrating her, assaulting her, beating her up in death, the way they beat her to death at the end of her life, and continue to do so now – with their slanderous accusations, while they afford the freely roaming devils the TIME they need to “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” her away.
How telling that these are the same savages who summoned the name of Hitler, the monster whose expertise was in the erasing human life!
This is what they are doing NOW to Natalee.
THEY ARE SYSTEMATICALLY ERASING HER … over and over again.
These savages raped that poor child, and she had nothing to defend herself while these monsters rendered her completely helpless by drugging her before they inflicted all their other savagery upon her, making her completely unable to defend herself in any way.
Natalee’s story must be addressed by U.S. officials. How can more American children be set up to become victimized in this manner, without any warning concerning the evil that lurks on that island, and not be protected – now that we know what was done to this child? How else do we explain the outrageous dishonesty, corruption and insidiousness of those who sought to immediately slander this child? Children have a right to be protected from this savagery and evil. Questions need to be raised to our U.S. officials, concerning what is going to be done to protect our children from KNOWN territories that are corrupt to the core, and where human rights violations are KNOWN to be taking place? There is simply no way that they will EVER spin the ugly truths about what Aruba did to this child and her family – into an instance of “isolated incident” and “drug-alcohol self inflicted intoxication”. The savagery of a man who could make such dishonest claims about THIS CHILD, speaks mountains-full about the level of corruption and dishonesty on that island.
What kind of man slanders a child – A CHILD, with such hideous lies and dishonest claims?
This goes very deep, and the savagery, and depravity that it is leading to, is headed right towards some high places where certain Aruban government officials participated in such disgraceful conduct, in collusion with this evil, it should send a shiver up your spine for a life time.
WE CANNOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO ANOTHER CHILD EVER AGAIN.
We cannot pretend we did not see the collusion, the corruption, the lying, the falsification of records in all the changed statements, any more than we can pretend that we do not know WHO those men were who TOOK THIS CHILD AWAY, where upon – she was never seen again, by anyone.
The savagery that seeks to twist and mannipulate this child’s truth, wishes to now claim – that “no evidence is available” – as though, we did not see Van der Straten sitting around for ten days, while statements were altered, evidence erased, a CHILD’S REMAINS SUBJECTED TO “NO CORPSE, NO CASE”, while Straten continued talking on the phone to Paulus, while his henchmen doctored up reasons to arrest two innocent black men in the unscrupulous conduct of USING THOSE MEN, to hang in front of the world, in some sick, twisted attempt to “appear” that an “investigation” was going on, while giving MURDERERS Natalee’s LIBERTY that they were allowed to obliterate, while they erased all traces of their depraved criminal acts that they inflicted upon this defenseless child.
If we just “let that go”, and pretend we didn’t see it, then is there any reason to wonder how EVIL persists in devouring our children?
Congress needs to address this depravity.
Congressman Baachus needs to address how this situation is going to be addressed.
The federal senators from Alabama need to address this matter, as does the congressional representatives of Natalee’s home town.
This child’s truth cannot be erased, any more than we can now pretend that we do not know WHAT was done to this poor child and her family.
The question is: Where are the voices of outrage to this injustice in the U.S. government?
Natalee deserved to come home.
She deserved an investigation.
She got neither.
This child and her family deserve justice, and as one of God’s children, this child deserves the dignity and respect of an honest investigation as well as a response from elected officials concerning HOW they are going to prevent something like this from ever happening again to another American child.
Something has to be done to address this child’s truth, or – we will end up condemning more innocent children to this savagery, and evil if we pretend to not know WHAT was done to Natalee Holloway.
These evil monsters seek to erase this child’s voice, her truth, her right to justice.
They have already attempted to take away her NAME, by referencing her as THE GIRL.
Her name is Natalee Holloway.
Her name – literally means: CHRISTMAS CHILD.
They seek to erase her name, the way they seek to erase what she suffered.
DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT!
RAISE HER NAME, HER VOICE,HER TRUTH, HER RIGHT TO JUSTICE, AND EVERYTHING THAT SHE SUFFERED AS AN INNOCENT CHILD WHO WAS SO BRUTALLY VICTIMIZED BY A BUNCH OF SAVAGE MEN, AND OTHERS WHO COLLUDED WITH THEM TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE, WHO HAVE NO CONSCIENCE, NOR SENSE OF HUMANITY.
This child’s truth must be told!
Let this child’s suffering not be in vain.
Let her suffering be NAMED on HER TERMS, THROUGH HER TRUTH, THROUGH HER RIGHT TO JUSTICE BEING SERVED.
Let her suffering become a mighty shield of protection, a gift from a young girl, a gift from the child whose name means – “Christmas child”, a gift SHE GIVES to children everywhere, that NO CHILD EVER AGAIN SUFFERS WHAT THIS CHILD SUFFERED AT THE HANDS OF EVIL DEVILS IN ARUBA.
The only way that Natalee’s suffering can ever become the final gift SHE GIVES, is through her voice being heard, the TRUTH of her story being told, her right to justice pursued by all of us!
This much we can do for this child.
This much – she deserves, as does every child who now comes after her.
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
Joran was hanging around the Holiday Inn at the pool. And we know why, stalking. He’s been there too many times and he knows what the rooms look like. I think there might of been a little truth told there about knowing the room but yet a false description of what’s really there. The truth and a lie in the statement. He does that a lot! I’m sure they spy knowing Posner’s background.
Posner, C & C’s a definite connection, Joran, Paulus and Freddy a definite connection. Why do you think Joran has a line or credit…?
Looking at pictures, it seems as though, Joran is the one with the twin bed!!!
We would like to know why Posner,a known criminal is allowed to own a hotel that played a part in the disappearance of Natalee…we know his background and what he has done…a friend of Paulus…the criminal scum…you can’t come forward with an answer because your overrun with crime and corruption. Jossy has a real battle on his hands!!
What are you people about, Oduber, your son rapes the family maid, Croes, you have sex slaves…there should be a day dedicated to dick removal…
Susan – #109:
Yes, Anita was in The Netherlands at the time of the abduction, but she returned home a couple days later. As you probably know, I don’t think that Natalee was killed until around June 8. I believe that it was Anita that cared for Natalee during the time that she was kept in the cage until the day of the festival. I think that Natalee was kept at the Sloot compound for over a week. I also believe the younger Sloot son when he said that he and his mother cut Natalee’s head off in the bathtub.
The history of the Arawaks being cannibals is not something new. It has been reported in history since the 1600′s and the tribe dates back to 10 A.D. It is a fact that on one day a month the Arawak Nation performs a human sacrifice… one person for every tribe of every nation. They originated in Antiqua and much of their history can be read there, it is brutal.
The reported condition of the body of the bodyguard, Pitbull, is a good example of the method of death and disposal of most of the Arawak victims. In the case of Natalee, the Prime Minister, who is, himself an Arawak, refused to let the civilized world know the truth about the activities and religious practices of the Arawak. He says it best, himself, when he states that it would mean the end of Aruba being looked upon as a happy and SAFE island.
Clearly, every island has it’s share of crime. There are countless men, women, and children that are raped and turn up dead each year. There are also countless rape-drug deaths… but this was something alot more sinister than that. The evidence provided by the Chicago Videos gives us a birds eye view of the acceptance of the practices of the Arawak in Aruba, as there are police cars and motorcycles surrounding the area while the clean-up crew remove the bodies from the rocks, apply paint to cover the massive amount of blood that was shed; and bag the bodies for delivery. I believe the purpose of the furniture truck was to deliver the bodies to their rightful owners, according to the Arawak.
Thus, it was the Van der Sloots that were responsible for disposing of what was left of Natalee. It is logical that they would put her carcass back in the cage and dump them both. Obviously, after living in a cage for over a week, Natalee’s DNA would have been all over it. Besides, it cuts down the possibility of one of her bones breaking loose and floating ashore as we have seen in other cases.
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Quote from Carpe:
I think if I hear about
bones crying out on more time,
I will attempt to crack a walnut
open with my butt cheeks.
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Carpe:
You can do whatever you want with your walnuts, but, just because you can’t hear the bones crying out, doesn’t mean that no one else can. Where have you been? Are you not aware that there have been many bones that have been found in recent months… including a carcass, minus it’s head, legs and arms that was just recently found by tourists? I don’t think that it is meerly a coincidence that these bones were found in the same condition as Pitbull. Even the director for the museum said that there are alot of people that practice Voo-Doo and spiritism on the island through the use of bones. Granted, it was her way of making an excuse for the absense of major body parts which probably were not stolen by grave robbers. But it is a fact that the religion of the Arawaks is drenched in the practice of Spiritism.
Crack Another Walnut:
The bones cry out for Justice!
.
Death to the Arawak Nation
Your all involved, what happened to Natalee!!!!!! You definitely have a target towards American…no place for us!!!!!
It is so easy for that sociopath to say “I left Natalee at the beach”…and walked away…
I think by now he really believes he did that and has erased her murder from his mind whenever he speaks about it…to anyone or is being interviewed…. only in his quiet moments alone the truth surfaces…but then he once again dismisses it.
119….Pattie, what do you base your theory on…
Natalee being murdered June 8th ….Anita cared for Natalee , etc. etc….
Sounds like you are writing your own book. Anyone go off on their own trip/theory.
Why not keep it simple…Joran and 2K’s were with her…Joran has bad behavior problems as a sociopath. Now where is Natalee? They can’t/won’t tell us. Based on the statements they all are guilty of doing something bad to Natalee.
I think the case is very simple…Natalee in the hands of Joran and the Kalpoes…and the evidence was destroyed…they did it….there reputation speaks for itself.
Hooker,
U iz nuttier than a Payday candybar!
… but I do wish you & your family a safe
and prosperous 2008.
….
Shango say:
Flush the toilet!
Mow the yard!
Stir the oatmeal! -j4n
Damn, Aruba go ahead and sink and let the boys play their perverted criminal games..
How freaking ridiculous you look to the rest of the world. Aruba just how damn stupid can islanders be?
Are you afraid if people know the truth?
Fox TV has been advertising very low plane fares to Aruba. Will you boycot Fox TV?
126: No. A Boycott would serve nothing in the scene you pose:
But leters to the station showing our displeasure and why would be better.
An unadvertised boycott would mean nothing; IMO letting them know will.
Juan,
I watch FOX a BUNCH… I still
haven’t seen nary a one them
“Come Scratch Yourself in Aruba”
spots.
I think the reason the fares may be so low,
could be the fact nobody wants to go. Especially,
the people that Aruba desires most.
(deep tourist pockets)
Winning a trip to Aruba post Natalee Holloway debacle… is much akin to winning your very own, brand new, free petrified turd. (gift wrapped with a bow on it)
Oh, great goobily goop… point me
to where I sign up FOR THAT li’l ditty!!!
-j4n
For most of people who don’t now… I LIVE IN ARUBA.. and who would now what happens here better?? … ME…
When i read what some of you right.. i’m thinking that you don’t want to find nathalee you just want to shut down every country that doesn’t do things the way you WANT…
And for someone who sad that are economy is going down.. wel we have just been informed ( by people from USA who checks the GDP etc .. ) that our GDP is going up.. ( don’t always believe the press.. i don’t, and i’m happy)
ofcourse there are some crime that happens here..
no place in the world is haven.. we aren’t close.. neigther are you..
And for some of you .. the hell with aruba.. justice for nathalee???… grow up ..
Are tourism is groing.. don’t believe..don’t care!!
And some news that the press didn’t tell you is that when they were looking for nathalee at the begin.. Local Arubians started a group for the search of nathalee..we cared..( but then to get smached in the face because they didn’t lock up joran??)And not every american thinks like some of you do.. cause i once talk to one who liked aruba and is living here right now.. Saw him at the beach the other day.. and you now what he said.. GOD BLESS ARUBA.. wel i think the same but god bless the USA and the WORLD..and…
Happy new year for all of you ( i’m not selfish )
hope you will have a good time with your family and may god bless you..
buskaruba@hotmai.com
BUSKARUBA #129
You did not have to tell me that YOU LIVED IN ARUBA,It was so OBVIOUS.
BOYCOTT ARUBA FOREVER
Patti, this “death to the Arawak nation”, how do you intent that to happen.
Buska-Determine the state of your economy for yourself-not what someone tells you. How much higher are your utility costs compared to last year? How much more are you paying at the grocery store compared to last year? Is your exhorbitant increase in gasoline costs comparable to the increase in other countries? How much has your income gone up from last year? Again-I ask that you tell the world what the minimum wage is in Aruba. Also, what are your mortage rates – that is very indicative to the state of your economy. To be honest I am much more concerned with the state of the US economy so WHATEVER.
Happy New Year to all!
#126 Juan
Key words about the plane fares: VERY LOW
meaning that Aruba is having trouble getting tourists and has to reduce rates
# 83
She’s called ‘MUMMY’ because
she looks like an ol’
leather skinned
Egyptian pyramid
tomb raider.
Yo ‘Nita, step outside
& blow the dust off of
those dogs, k?
Let the sunshine in!
They had joy, they had fun…
they had seasons in the sun…
But the hills that they climbed…
Were just seasons out of time.
(T. Jacks)
-j4n
A BIG HAPPY NEW YEAR
TO ALL MONKEYS,
AND THEIR
FAMILIES!
http://tinyurl.com/37jpyf
JUSTICE FOR NAT IN 2008, ARUBA.
10061096 (127) is absolutely right … boycotting is good, but boycotting and letting companies or slimepits such as Aruba know WHY is absolutely essential. Writing letters is a crucial part of the movement to boycott Aruba … and to let advertisers know of this decision, and why.
Sharon and Brie (122 and 123) … Simplest theories often are the best. But in some cases, simplicity doesn’t work. This case, in my view, is one of them.
Too much has been swept under the rug (or so, at least, Aruba has tried to do) to make me think that this is a simple case.
I might be wrong. The water search might prove me to be wrong. But it hasn’t happened yet.
I asked this before, and ask it again: does anyone here believe that mere incompetence and stupidity explain what Aruba has and hasn’t done in the last 2.5 years? No? Do you agree that there is a cover-up?
If so, then what is the rationale behind it? Who stands to gain?
In my view, the punk kids and PvdScum aren’t enough. Something darker is at work.
Well ty to the ones who went out and looked for Natalee. Are they the same ones who are claiming now that Natalee was so drunk she just walked off in the water, drowned and washed away, yet they also believe Natalee was able to consent to what was done to her that night?
You would have to be doing some serious stuff if you think this case has been anything short of a farce. You may have went out looking at first, but let me tell you who wasn’t! The last 3 seen with Natalee, they were busy meeting at Paulus’s and Joran’s to make up more stories. We all know who came up with the slave remarks, Hitler remarks and sharks remarks. The same ones who tried to pin murder and kidnapping on 2 black security guards.
Joran is now claiming he wishes there would have been a trial. Right!, he said the same thing when the suit in New York was filed and then sent out JoeT to get it dismissed. Why didn’t he just come here and say he wanted a trial or send his lawyer in to beg for one. He said he wanted to come and tell his story even if he had no attorney. That was just his way of getting more publicity he seeks and to taunt more people. I agree with the FBI statement that he is a sociopath.
Natalee didn’t stand a chance in Aruba of getting her truth out. How could she, with so many liars and creeps down there involved in the case? Justice? well you just might get that if 2 black security guards violate you, and I wouldn’t even hold my breath on that one. Prosecutor says, there are chat sessions of targeting American girls and what they are going to do with them? That sounds like a big Number 1 reason not to go to Aruba, because we all know when they do target you, there is no such thing as justice.
Why was nothing ever done to Paulus when he took his underage son out drinking and gambling that night then walked off(according to him) and left his underage son drinking and gambling which put the whole night into play? I still am up in the air who that is sitting by Natalee in the casino, sure looks like Paulus.
The whole cast of characters in Aruba for this is beyond LOONIE! Then they parade out a bunch of high price attorneys saying stuff they can’t back up or anything just to see what sticks. Who needs all those attorneys for nothing happened? Does anyone seriously believe with Paulus helping that they expect these 3 or Paulus to come out and say anything but more lies? Only one reason I can think of why a person would tell so many lies for over 2 years. Stated simple, telling the truth is the only thing that leads to the truth, and yet none of them agree about anything that night and what happened and they have no coroboration for anything they say happened with Natalee. Yet they want us to believe it’s the truth? Some people have no common sense. Loonie Tunes!
IMO, I seriously believe Natalee was the victim of a date rape/drug gone bad.
BuskAruba I am sure you singing “the future’s so bright I gotta wear shades” with the other 2 tourists on the Bucuti Beach Cam.
I’m being called a HOOKER…
by a MAN
that can CRACK a WALNUT
with his BUNS?!?!
WTF!
only on Scared Monkeys….
Hey, I would call someone that has been looking
at the Chicago Videos for OVER two years and not
having a clue about the ARAWAK NATION a….
nut…
Merry Christmas, Everyone!
Elisabeth!!!
Haven’t seen you in ages.
But, to answer your question…
I’m not sure.
But, truly, they should die.
In fact, I’m sure they will die…
soon.
.
And a Happy New Year’s Eve…
Stay Safe.
.
Boycott Aruba!
Honestly,
I was thinking about writing a book on human
trafficking. But, Natalee Holloway stole my
heart and I’ve been here, ever since.
.
Justice for Natalee,
Patti
Patti,,,comment from 119,,,never heard a comment about younger sloot brother said he and anita cut off Natalees head in tub.Am i missing something here.