Weapons Crack down at Carlos N’ Charlies … This is a Tourist Destination?



For an island that claims they are safe, Aruba seems to be awfully concerned Aruba_12-29-politiceabout the number of illegal guns on its street. Aruban police raided the popular dance club and “tourist destination,”Carlos N’ Charlie’s searching its customers for illegal guns. One would think while the police were in Cn’C that maybe they would have checked to see if everyone was actually of legal drinking age as well.

Why does it always seem to come back to Carlos N’ Charlie’s? Why is it that the ALE singles these types of places out on Aruba and yet allows unsuspecting tourists to flock there? Returning to the scene of the crime.

They searched people in the street and in several nightclubs.  The police surprised the dancing public of the popular disco Carlos ’N Charlies around 02:00.  They stopped the music and the light was suddenly turned on.

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So Aruban police and prosecutors feel the need to search the dance clubs where tourists go that travel brochures state are tourist destinations? What should this tell travelers to Aruba of just how safe these types of places are? What is even more shocking is that the police during these raids feel the need to wear bullet proof vest.

This time under supervision of among others chief of police Peter de Witte and chief public prosecutor Hans Mos, they searched the nightlife-people in Oranjestad. 

The police searched the visitors thoroughly; even those that were in the lavatories.

So did the ALE search residents and tourists alike? One can probably imagine that no tourists were even aware of any such Aruban laws of search and seizure.  Now imagine if the ALE has performed this raid at Carlos N’ Charlies the night that Natalee Holloway went missing back in 2005, this story may never have ever occurred.

Aruban Police Crack Down on Illegal Weapons … Caption Contest

Amigoe: Police check for weapons  – full story below

The police have conducted a preventive search action yesterday.  They checked the public in the street and at places of entertainment for firearms.

ORANJESTAD – The police has conducted a large-scale search again, looking for illegal firearms.  They did the same in San Nicolas a few weeks ago.  This time under supervision of among others chief of police Peter de Witte and chief public prosecutor Hans Mos, they searched the nightlife-people in Oranjestad. 

The police have not indicated yet what they found during this preventive search action.  They searched people in the street and in several nightclubs.  The police surprised the dancing public of the popular disco Carlos ’N Charlies around 02:00.  They stopped the music and the light was suddenly turned on.  Some people thought that this was due to a fight.  The police searched the visitors thoroughly; even those that were in the lavatories.   

The law was amended in April of this year, allowing the police to search people, cars, and luggage for firearms.  But for this, the police need an authorization of the examining magistrate, and they have to indicate the location, date, and the number of hours (12 MAX) in advance.  People must cooperate with a request to be searched by the police.  Not doing so, they commit a penal offence. 

With preventive search actions, the police corps wants to track down and confiscate illegal firearms as much as possible.  From a criminality analysis done by the Public Prosecutor it appears that the number of firearms and also the number of offences with firearms, are increasing.  With large-scale search actions, the police and justice hope to change this. 

Yesterday evening during the action, the police were all wearing bulletproof vests.  The police are now extra careful after the shooting incident of two week ago, where a police officer was seriously injured. (Amigoe 12/31/2007)

Posted December 31, 2007 by
Aruba, Crime, Natalee Holloway, Travel | 129 comments

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    129 Responses to “Weapons Crack down at Carlos N’ Charlies … This is a Tourist Destination?”

    1. Melissa on December 31st, 2007 10:03 am

      Yes, two weeks ago the police officer was seriously injured and three young people died. Aruba is a house of horrors(defined as an intense, painful feeling of repugnance and fear.) Aruba is still doing a good job of keeping all these tragedies hidden from the tourist community.

    2. Susan on December 31st, 2007 11:28 am

      I thought the building in the “caption contest” looked familiar. There’s no mention in the Amigoe article of an “illegal drug bust” at Carlos and Charlies. WTF?!? Apparently the “Keystone Coppers” didn’t want to lose Aruba’s only means of making money. The SAVAGES on the poverty stricken, DRUG INFESTED, third world, LAWLESS isle of Aruba have already sent their tourism industry into a massive downward spiral, so they’ve gotta make a living somehow!!

      The “pigs” are now running scared, fearing for their lifes. Was it Dumb”pig” or Jacobs who was seriously injured? Urine and Paulass van der Slut, along with the Alpoe (arf, arf) brothers should be made honorary police, and used for target practice with live ammo!



    3. brie on December 31st, 2007 11:41 am

      Everything evil on that island is intensifying….a travel advisory is in desperate need…in fact, no travel to Aruba period.

      Gangs, robberies, murders, rapists, kidnappers, drugs, illegal immigrants, known criminals living on the island, drunk drivers, dengue fever. Aruba is destroying itself. This is not a destination for tourism.

    4. JusticeforNatalee on December 31st, 2007 11:45 am

      Aruba, When are you going to do something about the
      date-rape problem?

      Read what local girl Leila has to say.
      This horrendous crime (and yes, DRUGGING AND RAPING ARE SERIOUS FELONIES, SO ARUBA, START TREATING THEM AS SUCH) happens to both tourists and local girls:


    5. JusticeforNatalee on December 31st, 2007 11:49 am

      PS, Aruba. We haven’t forgotten Natalee.
      And we never will.

    6. FL on December 31st, 2007 12:08 pm

      #1 Melissa / #2 Susan: if they wanted to keep it a secret, why could everyone read it then in the Amigoe?

    7. Susan on December 31st, 2007 12:21 pm

      # 7 FL – I never said the Aruban/Dutch officials were trying to keep anything a “secret”, but they certainly are doing everything in their power to sweep crimes under the rug (so to speak), including Natalee’s disappearance in hopes it will just go away. You missed my point. The sell of illegal drugs in Aruba is out of control, just like every other place under the sun. Rounding up weapons isn’t the only thing those useless pieces of poop need to be doing.

    8. Sasha on December 31st, 2007 12:44 pm

      Did they also look for drugs? Because everyone at C&C, including the employees and the owner will be arrested. That place is Cocaine Paradise. Looking for guns is not just good enough. A lot of their problem is DRUGS, DRUGS and MORE DRUGS…

    9. Melissa on December 31st, 2007 12:57 pm

      Please read my quotes thoroughly-I am very specific. I wrote the “tourist community.” I think it is safe to say that Amigoe is not the New York Times-the scope of the readership of Amigoe is relatively small and “everyone” isn’t reading it. Aruba has always had the advantage of keeping all their dark secrets under wraps due to the fact that the language of Papiamento is only spoken on three islands. In fact, it originated in Curacao to allow African slaves to communicate with their owners.

    10. brie on December 31st, 2007 1:00 pm

      Why doesn’t the police do something about the known drugs that are slipped into girls drinks? Why don’t they patrol in the alley behind C n C’s and do something about the girls that are forced into cars and rapped.

      Not only are tourists in danger but the independent residents of Aruba. Too many thugs with too many guns walking the streets.

    11. Wang cares on December 31st, 2007 1:02 pm

      It sounds strange, but these type of police actions actually are done to make people feel safer!

      Would you rather go to a place where you think legal activities are going on, but nobody ever checks. Or would you go where you know the cops are keeping a closer eye on things. I know where I would go!

    12. brie on December 31st, 2007 1:06 pm

      Another ?, why are so many carrying weapons?

      I wonder if Joran or the Kalpoes were there. I bet the Kalpoes have guns.

    13. brie on December 31st, 2007 1:09 pm

      The cops should of kept a closer eye on things along time ago…it’s out of hand now!

    14. NATALEE on December 31st, 2007 1:10 pm

      Hi Joran:
      It’s me again. Are we at our hotel yet? I must have fallen asleep. Who are all these people? I don’t know any of them. Where are my friends that you said would be here?
      Where did all these people come from; they are all your friends not mine. My head hurts, I must have hit it on something.
      Stop. What are they doing? Quit choking me. Stop. What are they doing? Please tell them to stop. I can’t breath. Get off me. Quit hitting me. Stop. Quit choking me. I can’t breathe. I, I can’t, can’t bre a t h e……………
      Why don’t you tell them what you and your friends did to me? You were going to tell them where I am. Why did your father stop you? I was so close to being found by my mother. Why did you throw me away? Why did you treat her like you did?
      She only wanted to take me home.
      Why won’t anyone tell them what happened.
      I found out who the taxi cab drivers were. It was your friend Deepak and his brother.
      He knew what you had planned for me but he drove me here anyway.
      How could you have done this twenty times before and not get caught?
      Were all these people there too?
      It’s so cold and lonely here. Please tell them where I am. I want to go home. I miss everyone so much. Deepak; you know how I feel. I want to go home. I want to be with my friends.
      I have to start school soon. I don’t want to miss my first day in college. Please tell them where I am.

    15. Miss-Underestimated on December 31st, 2007 1:12 pm

      What would have happened if someone opened fire in the club.

    16. Sasha on December 31st, 2007 1:44 pm

      The police doesnt do anything about all the drugs at C&C, BECAUSE the GM of C&C pays them off…All the police know about all the drug activity there. In fact, many of them party there while off duty…But they are getting paid WELL by C&C to keep their mouth shot and not say anything..As I said before, all their employees at C&C are criminals and they are all drug dealers, this includes the GM of the place. Making minimum wage (which is less than $4.00/hr) just isn’t enough…All their money comes from selling drugs.

    17. Pearl on December 31st, 2007 2:07 pm

      Did the ALE bring drug kits with them to check all the drinks being served to the next victims, that Jacobs was aware before they victimized Natalee, when he warned Dave to watch “his drink”?

      Imagine, Jacobs saw it fit to stuff his face, serve himself, and eat his frosted flakes before helping the mother of a missing child. Beth was made to sit and wait – for HOURS, while Straten was busy telling her to get out of the driveway.
      (Who was that for, Straten? PAULUS? SO he could exit without Beth seeing that depraved look on his face? Just exactly why did Strate order Beth to get out of the police driveway? WHO NEEDED TO LEAVE THE PRECINCT? THE PEOPLE WHO ARRIVED IN DEEPAK’S CAR?)

      Those men are a disgrace to the police profession!
      And no amount of grandstanding with these photo opps, will ever make Aruba appear law abiding, or concerned for tourists.

      You will reap what you have sown Aruba!
      By the way, how were those deaths listed: as “suicides” or more “intoxication combined with unexplained lethal amounts of drugs” that somehow end up in the victim’s body – which really amounts to MURDER, especially when the victim doesn’t realize they are being administered the DRUGS, – DOMPIG.

      #3 Brie, you said it! A travel warning advisory needs to be issued.

      Thank you J4N ( #4).

      Justice for Natalee!!!

    18. Carpe Noctem on December 31st, 2007 2:24 pm

      When you smilin’…

      Oh, when youuu smiiiiilin’…

      The whole world smiles you! -j4n



    19. Richard on December 31st, 2007 2:26 pm

      My best wishes for a Happy New Year to all posters of good will here. And my strongest wishes that Aruba shall have a very bad year … unless and until there is justice for Natalee.

      (I wouldn’t mind if they continued to have a bad time anyway.)

      Yep, it looks like Carlos ‘n’ Charlies is quite a place. Remember (sorry to post it yet again!) that the night before Amy Bradley vanished as her cruise ship was docking at Curacao, the crew members who had been pursuing her asked to take her to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies.

      One wonders what types are tolerated there, and what activities take place.

      Drug lord emissaries looking for girls? Is it possible? On Aruba, which is known to be a place for drug trafficking and human trafficking?

      We’ll see, perhaps.

    20. Susan on December 31st, 2007 2:42 pm

      Happy New Year to you too, Richard :-)

    21. Maggie on December 31st, 2007 3:06 pm

      Wang, I would feel safer going to the moon on a 747. I would need a weapon to visit Aruba, to make sure I didn’t you know, commit suicide accidently, get mugged, drugged, attacked, or “put on a beach” at 3am. If you can all believe that an 18 year old tourist wants to sit on a beach alone in a foreign country at 3am, then you must believe pigs can fly too. Perfect place to go commit a crime and get away with it and all the drugs and booze you could want. It’s the only place in the world where people can believe in aliens, abducting people, or being put on a beach , and someone else comes along and violates you, then goes along the beach to clean up any trace of previous creeps that might have been with you that night, aka shoes. It’s also the only place where people believe that, you can walk home alone, be taken home by 2 people, being picked up by one person at the same time. Where they believe that 3 guys go out a half hour before closing time and move in on 1 girl and they all make it back, but the girl wants to sit on a beach alone at 3 am to look at stars and just poofs.

      They are probably frisking these people at CnC to make sure the women don’t have any way to defend themselves from the creeps lurking around waiting on American female tourists(victims).

    22. brie on December 31st, 2007 3:12 pm

      #19…Richard…Amy probably would of gone missing in Aruba if she had gone to Carlos ‘n Charlies and the ship would of left without her. Instead they had to change plans and kidnapped her in Curacao. Maybe from there she ended up back in Aruba and was given to the human trafficers. Who knows, maybe some girls are being held on top of the hill. You know that place where no one is allowed to go. Off limits except to the drug lords.

    23. chris on December 31st, 2007 3:27 pm

      With so many internet savvy posters here, why can’t some of the articles coming out of Aruba and printed here not be sent to oodles of travel agencies all around the country? Make them partly responsible for all the bad things that befall tourists on devils island if they do not warn travellers of the possible dangers on Aruba.
      Richard, Carpe, give this some thought and see if this would not be a good step in intensifying the boycott.
      In the meantime, I wish everyone much love and happiness in the New Year:-)

    24. Melissa on December 31st, 2007 4:10 pm

      To #23- I think your thought is a good one to get the word out but you need to be aware of the fact how much Aruba wines and dines and provides all kinds of complimentary tours and other perks to the travel agents. They even offer a special designation to some: Aruba Specialist. How can these people be objective? People who were victims of crime in Aruba use to occasionally be able to post on Aruba.com but that has been totally eliminated and visitaruba.com is a bunch of idiots having countdowns of how many days until Aruba. There is no forum where the tourist who has been robbed (numerous), cheated, hurt, etc. can vent.

    25. Patti on December 31st, 2007 4:40 pm

      All I can say is:

      No one is going to go out,

      in Aruba, without a gun!


      Obviously, ALE is trying to get some “air” time,

      but, soon it will be forgotten,

      and things will return to the norm.

      In a country where there is no justice,

      nor equal rights;

      the safest way to be is ARMED!

      Besides, they’re sweeping the slums…

      what about the casinos,

      where the BIG guns are?


      Not impressed…

    26. Richard on December 31st, 2007 5:06 pm

      Brie (#22) … The Bradleys believe that that was the purpose, to drug her at C&Cs and then … whatever. Amy refused to go with them (the Bradleys disembarked for the day and toured Aruba as a family; Amy was NEVER on her own and they NEVER went anywhere near C&Cs).

      She vanished the very next morning. Doubtless a total coincidence ….

      Chris (#23) and Melissa (#24) … I did write to the American Society of Travel Agents urging them to take a stand. This was a year ago, and more.

      Got back two very condescending letters telling me, in essence, where to go. The final letter concluded by thanking me for my passion in wanting ASTA to be true to the goal of promoting tourist safety ….

      They kept saying that it wasn’t their job to tell people where to go. Fine. How about warning their customers about Natalee’s case and the obvious cover-up, or at least making sure that people were aware of it and letting them make up their own minds?

      Nope. No way. They wouldn’t say anything.

      But I’m not surprised … can you imagine any of them directing possible cruise ship passengers to the Website of International Cruise Victims, made up mainly of families of cruise ship victims, or the survivors of assaults on those ships?

      Anyway, another thing strikes me about these raids … what does Hans Mos have to do with them? Is he involved in every police raid?

      Sounds to me like just another obvious CYA effort … maybe they’re still afraid that the water search will produce results, and want to show Aruba and the world how “dedicated” they are to “safety.”

      More of the same BS from Aruba.

      Again, best New Year’s wishes to all monkeys of good will. Let our boycott efforts intensify in 2008.

    27. brie on December 31st, 2007 5:36 pm

      Aruba you had better keep a watchful eye out for your youngsters. The bad people are coming, some already there. I wouldn’t want to see any of your children go missing…eventually you will be in the minority and no one there to help you. It’s already begun.

      The Black Team and your Visibility Team are responsible for patrolling your beaches. The Black Team patrols the beach where Joran said he left Natalee. Then how come she wasn’t found. Joran just wanted you to look like a bunch of idiots.

      It all started with Joran, the sociopath, leader of the pimp club and friend of Posner.

    28. brie on December 31st, 2007 5:39 pm

      Hey Rudy, anyone warn you about Carlos ‘n Charlies…like you’ve known it all along!!!!!!

    29. brie on December 31st, 2007 5:43 pm

      Excuse me, but what sums it all up is…PISS ON THE ISLAND….!!!!!

    30. BUSKARUBA on December 31st, 2007 5:50 pm

      #1 melissa

      there was a boy who died and an officier injured
      But the media is so messed uo in your head..
      count every crime that happens here and compare to were you live..
      If you realy want to start something against us ( Every country who doesn’t suck up to you. to do wat you want), do it with information that is true not what you heard..
      I’m not gonna lie about this, the nathalee case had an impact on our economy .. but now it’s going up again..more people from the usa is coming and europe ( some people didn’t now about aruba until the nathalee case)…So why don’t every american want to boycott aruba??..Wonder why.. They are living there life …..
      cause here i see a lot of them having fun with there family..
      Happy new year… and yeah januari is the carnival season see you there..

    31. NATALEE on December 31st, 2007 6:09 pm

      Hello Mrs. Van der Sloot;
      This is Natalee; may I call you Anita.
      I know all of you come here to read what we think of you.
      You are so Yenta; but that I guess that was caused your upbringing.
      I don’t remember if I was ever invited to your home, but I feel like I have been there before. I guess you would have to ask your husband and Joran. Boy that look on your face when you found out what your son and his friends did to me, it looked like you were getting sick to your stomach. So sick you wanted to throw up. That’s what I had to do when your son was choking me. But they wouldn’t let me. They wouldn’t let me breathe.
      You reacted typically as though Joran was the victim and I was just one of the local puntas. Is that why your husband had to get rid of me. Out of sight out of mind. I caused your son to become tainted so you had to get rid of trash. Like he was taking out the garbage. Why didn’t they call for help? They knew I was choking. But no; they were too busy violating me over and over again so they just let me die.
      But I will remind your husband when I will see him at night. Just when he thinks he is asleep, I’ll be there to remind him how he lied to my father right to his face.
      I’m cold and lonely being here. I want to go home. Please help me. I know you will.
      Please ask your husband where they threw me away.
      If not for your son I would be going away to school. But I can’t attend school in Alabama, I’m lost here in Aruba. I know what I can do. You teach school don’t you?
      I know. I can become one of your students. I won’t make any noise. I’ll just sit in the back of your classroom and wave to you every once in a while to let you know I’m still here. I know we will get along just fine.

    32. Carpe Noctem on December 31st, 2007 6:10 pm




      -J4N in 2008

    33. Carpe Noctem on December 31st, 2007 6:13 pm
    34. Capslockwizard on December 31st, 2007 6:19 pm

      Dear Bloggers,
      After The FBI in Birmingham finsh reading my report. I will post my finding on this stie to what realy happens to Natalee. In the report you will also find that the plan was between the four of them but 2 of the perps was late to the private party.

      Hope that The FBI open their e-mail. it was send today to the FBI Special Agent Carmen S. Adams – Birmingham@ic.fbi.gov
      SM: I’m glad you did this. Always best to send directly rather than through a 3rd party. I hope they open their email too. You have done some good work and my hopes are they take your work seriously (I’m sure they will) (klaasend)

    35. brie on December 31st, 2007 6:30 pm

      Happy New Year to all of our posters that love Natalee. And to Scared Monkeys and our the entire crew of the Persistance. I wish for you a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year. God Bless You All!!!

    36. 10061906 on December 31st, 2007 6:41 pm

      buskaruba 30:
      I’ve seen your carnivals in San Nicolas. They really parade the putas around don’t they?
      That’s the best season for Joran. He likes it because the local girls don’t wear anything under their skirts. O No:
      Read his book.
      But some will be safe; Joran is not there anymore; or is he?

    37. brie on December 31st, 2007 6:46 pm

      buskaruba……what are you talking about…go address your ALE and your gov’t…that’s where your presence is needed…not here! We don’t give a s~~t about you anymore…direct your tourism to South America…they think like you!!! We don’t!!!

    38. brie on December 31st, 2007 6:53 pm

      Who is #31?

    39. Maggie on December 31st, 2007 7:02 pm

      So why don’t every American want to boycott Aruba? Well, some people don’t care about nothing until it hits their doorstep, then they want sympathy from everyone else. Like I said, there’s always the group around that wants to “marry Scott Peterson”.

    40. 10061906 on December 31st, 2007 7:12 pm

      brie: check 14

    41. brie on December 31st, 2007 7:19 pm

      The carnival…prostitution city…the place needs to be condemned..a whore hell hole!!! Anita, don’t expect Paulus home any time early! Watch out for AIDS, that will be the next breakout!!!!

    42. brie on December 31st, 2007 7:27 pm

      San Nicholas….the ultimate carnival dedicated to the whores of the island…dressed up in their ultimate costumes…my oh my…that is something to look forward to and be proud of? Your island is nothing more than sex and drugs..what a sick lifestyle you live!!!

    43. 10061906 on December 31st, 2007 7:35 pm

      Richard: I forgot who went under cover with a camera outside of C and C’s. But (Drug pushers and pimps)they kept putting their hands in front of the camera.
      The locals looked like a bunch of pack wolves trying to grab some drugged female. They wait outside so they don’t have to pay for drinks.
      C and C drugs them these guys round them up.
      Just like cattle going to the slaughter.

    44. Capslockwizard on December 31st, 2007 7:43 pm

      Klaasend: are you working
      SM: Not really right now or for the rest of today. I will be working tomorrow though. (klaasend)

    45. Nut44x4 on December 31st, 2007 7:45 pm

      Happy New Year to one and all from Maine-USA.

    46. iwabwu on December 31st, 2007 7:50 pm

      I wonder if the winds of change are making their way across Aruba. The Aruba of 20 years ago is gone forever.

      Does anyone know if this has anything to do with the missing American girl from last week? Maybe others have come forward?

    47. waterboy (Jerry) on December 31st, 2007 8:12 pm

      From all that I can gather about the safety of Aruba and how prompt the police respond to calls for help, it sounds like the “tourist” need to be armed.

      “Walk softly and carry a well oiled Glock.”


    48. brie on December 31st, 2007 8:24 pm

      Yes, the winds still blow in Aruba…an island that had safety at one time, and was unique, but not anymore…what a shame! It’s a unsafe place to be! It’s been going on for along time.

    49. yoyo muffintop on December 31st, 2007 8:32 pm

      Happy New Year Carpe (aka Captain Insomnia), Maggie and all others.


    50. Susan on December 31st, 2007 8:36 pm

      brie, Good question, who is #14 and #31? I find it to be a bit morbid and in bad taste for anyone to pretend to be Natalee speaking from the grave (if in fact she is actually dead) :-( It’s sick!

    51. brie on December 31st, 2007 8:50 pm

      Off your Charts….sorry!

    52. BUSKARUBA on December 31st, 2007 9:13 pm

      you now i’m gonna just enjoy my new year ad enjoy my carnival ( let all of you wast your time )
      ( if even the sanicolaas parade is a bitch parade ( not) atleast i’m there to enjoy it and you will be siting at home and doing nothing interesting..
      I love my life here.. wouldn’t change it
      Hope there will be justice for nathalee.. cause this got to end..
      And i’ll send you a postcard of me, my friends , your friends at the beach having fun..
      (and for some who don’t now we helped with the search at the begining, local people started a search.. but to do this then to get smashed in the face by 0.000000001% of usa…)That’s why the care to help is not as much as at the begining..) but we want to give our best regards to betty and her husband and all of nathalee’s family and friend’s.. this musn’t happen to no one..
      the truth will come soon..( unlike other people who just wants to shut down every country who doesn’t do what They want..) And some people when they talk tey like to use the word ” the whole world”.. well news flash.. 0.000000001% of the usa want’s to boycott aruba..OUR tourism that is groing now is having tourist from canada, netherland (europe) ,polen,brazil,argentina,venezuela,colombia.. So why are you (the one’s that say it) always saying “the hole world”???.. Were happy to get tourist from USA..and the whole world.. there are some things that must change.. but we will get to that when i become president..
      So happy new year and stop believing every thing that the press says… it will make you crazy..
      good day..

    53. Allan on December 31st, 2007 9:30 pm

      Could somebody translate #52 BUSKARUBA for me.

    54. brie on December 31st, 2007 9:55 pm

      #52…It’s on crack…sounds like Julie Renfro! or some god forsaken travel agent!!!! Just here too make things worse for Aruba!!!!

    55. Capslockwizard on December 31st, 2007 10:00 pm

      Busca means Searh

      BUSKARUBA = searching Aruba

    56. 10061906 on December 31st, 2007 10:01 pm

      I think I know where this person is coming from. You all think that this is morbid.
      Well what happened to Natalee is what was morbid.
      How do we know she is dead? Over two years have gone by and not a trace of Natalee.
      Is she dead? No one has seen her is a good indicator.
      She may be better dead than what she might have had to endure for the last 30 months or so as a sex slave somewhere. In my heart I say she is alive; my mind says something else.
      Mos says Natalee is dead. Dompig and Straaten say she is probably dead. Paulus says no body no case. Everyone wants to hang the JK2’s as raping murderers. If she is not dead then why would anyone think and talk like that? The FBI is treating it as a homicide.
      Dr. Hodges says she is dead.
      Now speaking of Dr Hodges. This person writing is paraphrasing what Dr Hodges has written and is doing it in the first person narrative. “Into the Deep” “The Hidden Confession of Natalee’s Killer”. All this person is doing is making those responsible relive what happened. To accuse someone of a crime puts the person on the defensive. Reliving it through the mind of the victim has more of a positive impact.
      But then again I could be wrong and the person needs to get a life.

    57. Capslockwizard on December 31st, 2007 10:06 pm

      Busacaruba: You must have those viewing glasses that the MEP is selling. Once you put it on you will not be able to see the whole picture about tourism nor where you are going… I do think they used them also on jackasses.

    58. brie on December 31st, 2007 10:13 pm

      What’s your next plan of action…the oil refinery!!!

    59. waterboy (Jerry) on December 31st, 2007 11:39 pm

      Joran, your lies tell the truth!

      If we weigh the pros and cons of everything that Joran has said and make a decision about his course of action, then where does it take us? I say to the truth.

      Joran said that Natalee wanted him to come to C&C, so he wanted her to come to C&Cs.

      Joran said he did not drug Natalee, so he did give her an illegal substance that caused changes in her behavior and perception.

      Joran said that Natalee wanted to see the sharks and the lighthouse, so she did not.

      He said they did not get out of the car, so they did. He said that they did not go to his house, so they did.

      He said that his dad was asleep, so he was not.

      He said that he did not have sex with Natalee, so he did.

      He said he did not hurt Natalee, so he caused Natalee to experience emotional and physical pain.

      He said he does not know where Natalee is so he does have information firmly implanted in his mind and memory as to her whereabouts.

      If we take the lies, and study them as if they are written in code, decipher them so they can be read normally, the truth is revealed. We have. Joran told Natalee to come to C&C on Sunday night, because that was the best night to go. He drugged Natalee, took her semiconscious to Deepak’s car, forced unwanted sexual attentions on her, abused her and threatened to throw her in the water with the sharks. He took her to his apartment, and raped her. He killed Natalee, and disposed of her body. He did not go to his Dad and give him an account, because his dad, and others were present when it all went down.

      What Joran says he did, he did not. What he said he did not, he did.

      Take a 180 on every direction Joran gives and you have a roadmap that leads to murder, rape, and destruction of evidence.


    60. juan on January 1st, 2008 12:19 am

      That’s right Jerry. So take a right at the next corner, and keep on going…………….

    61. juan on January 1st, 2008 12:22 am

      #14 Too much. You sound like you’re with the strking Writers Guild of America. Hope you get a paying job soon.

    62. 10061906 on January 1st, 2008 12:26 am

      Waterboy: read the book . To me it all makes sense what you say. I cannot though find in his thought prints exactly where he took her.
      The Holiday in was a lie. The beach was a lie. Maybe the beach at the Holiday Inn. But then again all the MBHS kids where partying there.
      I want to know why Ruth left early and Natalee did not go back with the group she came with.

    63. 10061906 on January 1st, 2008 1:57 am

      Juan go celebrate the new year somewhere else. You’re too inebriated to post here. Do something consructive and then just pi$$ off.

    64. weasel on January 1st, 2008 2:39 am

      # 59 Jerry, you are correct on every count.

      You can tell when Joran is lying– his lips move.

      Even without the Holloway incident and safety issues, Aruba is just way overrated as a tourist destination. i.e it’s just not that great a place to go, the diving sucks, fishing is bad, sevice marginal etc. It’s (W.O.) Way Oversold.

    65. 10061906 on January 1st, 2008 3:34 am

      As we have said many times here. When a nerve gets hit the trolls come out to play.
      I think quite a few were hit tonight: right Jerry.

    66. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2008 6:53 am

      So basically what Joran is saying to

      Satish here is:


      You better have

      gotten rid of the gun. (the gun used on Natalee)

      You go home – get gun – me shoot you two dead.

      Hey Joran you fuit loop eatin’ puss-ket…

      Nat only

      weighed a buck-five.

      Do you mean to tell me that all three (4)

      of you no date gettin’ a$$ pirates…

      couldn’t control her?

      Joran has a gun, he uses it when he doesn’t have

      time to threaten young girls by pulling out a knife.

      Paulus has a gun. Satish has a gun, as you

      can read that for yourselves in the A.L.E. secret

      recording transcripts. (HOW MANY TIMES DOES J TALK




      Thanks for tossing that little Joran-ism in a YV

      interview, Anita)

      Dirt-pock couldn’t even raise a gun up to keep it

      level long enough to aim at anything. He’s like the

      Surinames version of Barney Fife… he’d be

      cleaning it on the couch, the doorbell would ring,

      and he’d accidentally blow off his effin man apples.


    67. brie on January 1st, 2008 7:11 am

      Good Morning and Happy New Year….maybe 2008 will bring Natalee to us…I sure hope so!

      So many good, loving and caring people here. It’s so nice to know all of you. Forget the trolls, their just jealous because of the bond we’ve made.

      I think it is quite obvious that we will continue to strive for justice. Our friend, Jossy, will remain with us.

    68. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2008 7:22 am
    69. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2008 7:48 am


      Hello Mrs. Van der Sloot;
      This is Natalee; may I call you Anita.


      Now you can call her Ray…

      or you can cakk her Jay…

      … but ya doesn’t has to call

      dat lyin’ a%% ho Mister Johnson!!!


      Happy New Year to Yo.

    70. disgustedmom on January 1st, 2008 10:10 am

      Searching people? ALE probably just trying to cop a feel off the female tourists.

    71. Miss-Underestimated on January 1st, 2008 12:20 pm


      LOL, Happy New Year

      Looking for more LOL’s in 2008

      2008 is gonna be great

      Do you remember the unknow comic from Gong show?

    72. Melissa on January 1st, 2008 12:34 pm

      Could someone please tell Buska that Aruba does not have a President. A Prime Minister, various Ministers and an appointed Governor. Maybe Buska has to come off the beach and away from the carnival and have a civics class.

    73. Melissa on January 1st, 2008 12:42 pm

      I just read Buska’s #30 post to me. You stand corrected – three died. The one you refer to, the one they pulled out of the ocean and put in a body bag as seen in detail on ATV and the one who died in jail. Brush up on the facts before you challenge me.

    74. greanteawoman on January 1st, 2008 1:30 pm

      This video I produced about the Natalee Holloway crime has been posted on my YouTube site. I will possibly only leave this video up for 24 hours to begin with.

      Please kindly delete this comment in 24 hours


    75. Pat in Alabama on January 1st, 2008 1:33 pm

      Internet access locked up; hope this is not a duplicate.

      #50 Susan:

      I agree with you. The person posting as Natalee is trying to prick the conscience of a group of people who have none.

      Most here have posted various details or senarios in the search for what really happened, but they have done so as 3rd parties. To post as Natalee, and fabricate details of what happened is IMO poor taste.

    76. greanteawoman on January 1st, 2008 1:34 pm

      I have produced a video about the Natalee Holloway case. It’s posted on my YouTube site now. I will possibly only leave this video up for 24 hours because I want to monitor the backlash.

      If you would be so kind to delet this comment in 24 hours, I would appreciate it!


      Thank you.

    77. Pat in Alabama on January 1st, 2008 2:05 pm

      #56 – 1906

      Everyone here as a right to their own opinion, and there are few here that have done more research on this case than you. However, I have to keep an open mind to the idea that Natalee may still be alive and held somewhere. Certainly the “soft evidance” in the many statements made by suspects, investigators, etc., all points to Natalee’s death. On the other hand, understanding that these people are liars, and that a cover-up has taken place, and that even the information the FBI was given came from a corupt ALE, I look in the opposite direction to see at least the possibility that Natalee is alive. Once taking that perspective, there is a whole new set of questions raised. I will agree that on the surface it appears Natalee was murdered, but wouldn’t it be terrible for people to buy into a lie and give up looking for you (alive) if you were being held captive somewhere? That thought keeps me reading and probing, not only the thought of her murder, but also the thought she could still be alive.

    78. Richard on January 1st, 2008 2:05 pm

      10061096 (#56) … What interests me about what the FBI has said (that Natalee is dead) is: where is their evidence? On what basis did they say it?

      Seems to me that in June 2005 they were willing to regard Aruba as an honest, above-board partner that really wanted to come up with the truth.

      Does anyone think that now?

      We’ve heard van der Straaten, Hans Mos, and others tell us, time after time, that Natalee is dead. They’ve seen the evidence.

      Well, where is it?

      My own idea is that the FBI took at face value what they were told by Aruba. And, of course, they passed it on to the family. And I imagine that Beth and Dave, thrust into this unimaginably horrible situation (for which there is no preparation), did what most other regular Americans would do: believed what the FBI said.

      My point?

      I might be wrong, but I still think that Aruba wanted desperately to make people believe that Natalee was indeed dead. Why? For the purpose of forestalling any other ideas.

      Yes, van der Straaten said he knew she was dead … then, some months later, put out the word to neighboring nations to be on the lookout for her.

      I know that everyone is bored with hearing me say all this … but I still believe that Aruba does not dare let it be known that an American was taken off the island as a captive, probably headed for sexual slavery in some form.

      THAT is what would destroy their tourist economy forever. THAT is what would create a true uproar that would make even American politicians stand up and demand action.

      As always, I may be wrong. The Persistence in its quest may prove me wrong. But it hasn’t done so yet, nor has the land search.

    79. Richard on January 1st, 2008 2:07 pm

      Remember, too, that after his latest arrest and release, Joran van der Scum’s comment was that he didn’t break. He didn’t say anything while in jail and while being “interrogated.”

      Hmm … anyone think he might have been sending a signal to somebody? And maybe that he was afraid that someone might think it was safer if he were “expendable,” along with his putrid family?

    80. Pat in Alabama on January 1st, 2008 2:18 pm

      “The law was amended in April of this year, allowing the police to search people, cars, and luggage for firearms.”

      This is another dog and pony show to convince people the island is safe. Their ignorance of PR is down-right amusing!

      Do they think that tourists are going to risk smuggling guns in in their luggage so that they can tote them around on the streets in Aruba? Or do people buy them once they have disembarked?

      They could at least make tourists safer and control these illegal firearms if they issued guns to tourists upon arrival – kind of like a free needles for addicts program (or in Aruba’s case, free housing for addicts).

    81. Pat in Alabama on January 1st, 2008 2:50 pm

      #26 Richard

      Amy Bradley’s case gives a glimpse of the persistence of these people. They wanted Amy, and plan A was to take her to C & C. Since that didn’t work, they had to improvise, but they still found a way to get her.

      When you consider Paulus as spotter at the casino, the boys arriving late, but in time to pick up the targeted girl, and the disproportionate cover-up for a few local delinquints… it appears we are seeing aspects of a much larger organization.

      Even if we think Natalee was murdered in a gang rape, or perhaps I should say ESPECIALLY if we think that Natalee was murdered in a gang rape, the cover-up and sacrifice of Aruba has been disproportionate. Why?

    82. greanteawoman on January 1st, 2008 3:12 pm

      I’m sorry to have posted twice. I thought I was on the New Years article the second time I posted.

      You know I have a friend and she will not go on record, I’ve asked her but she says no.

      She and her husband were vacationing in Aruba in August 2005. They had been at Carlos and Charlies.

      While there, she told her hubby that she was ready to go back to their hotel. The hubby said he wanted to stay out and would it be okay if he saw her back to their hotel and went back out? She said, “sure, have fun on your vacation”. She went to sleep.

      The next morning when she woke up, she had bruises all over her arms and legs and her knees were skinned so bad they were bleeding.

      She knew I followed Natalee’s case and that I was peeved with them for going to Aruba in the first place. She did not tell me about the incident when it happened back in 2005.

      More recently, I’ve ‘been in your face’ with a number of my friends about the case. Forcing them to listen to me tell them about the corruption involved in the case. Telling them that Natalee was most likely slipped a date rape drug at Carlos and Charlies, did not go with the thugs willingly … etc., etc.

      The way that my friend finally told me about the incident in Aruba, was after one of my long tirades about the case while a group of “we girls” were out having dinner (about the time of the latest arrests). She finally opened up about that night in front of all of the women friends at the dinner table. Told everyone about the bruises, scrapes to the knees, etc. with no explaination, etc.

      Turns out she and her husband (ex now), believed she was slipped a date rape drug at C & C (after someone overheard their conversation about the wife being taken back to the hotel and the husband going back out). It was better for them for some reason, to keep quiet about the incident, than to talk about it … could deal with it better, I guess .. pretend it didn’t happen.

      She believes someone got into their hotel room after her husband left to go back out, dragged her outside, passed out from a date rape drug, to what she believes is an area near the tennis courts in the hotel where they were staying (I don’t know where they stayed, but could find out). She believes she was raped and then carried back to her hotel bed.

      She says that since she didn’t report what happened the morning she woke up scraped and bruised in Aruba, that there isn’t anything she can do about it now and she is right.

      True story. I was floored. This is a 39 year old woman (looks more like late 20′s) stunning, blond haired friend of mine, whom I believe without question.

      She would not make this up, especially since she does not want to hear about what happened to Natalee. Natalee’s story had to be force fed to her. Maybe I know why now, doesn’t want to be reminded of what happened to her. :-(

    83. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2008 3:49 pm


      Hey Miss U, HAPPY NEW YEAR, back archa.

      That was the show with Chuck Barris…

      I do remember it!

    84. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2008 3:55 pm

      if you missed Greta the other night…

      check this out:



    85. Capslockwizard on January 1st, 2008 4:03 pm

      Klaasend: Did you received it.

    86. brie on January 1st, 2008 4:05 pm

      Joran has openly made the statement and it was televised in the Netherlands when he got off the plane. “I know what happened and I will tell you someday, but not now”. That is definitely an admission of knowing what happened to Natalee. How can he say that and not be forced to tell us? Why would anyone make a remark like? Obviously he isn’t afraid for people to know that he has information. But then later he says I don’t know what happened. Try and figure that one out!!!!

    87. 10061906 on January 1st, 2008 4:37 pm

      Richard 78:
      I did not say the FBI said that Natalee was dead. I said they were treating the investigation like a homicide. The conclusion by using the word homicide means that in all probablity the person they are referring to is deceased.

    88. 10061906 on January 1st, 2008 5:02 pm

      pat 77. I know that many have done tremendously more research than I. I have only read the three books a few times. I have only a little over two hundred meg of pix and about another 100 meg of documentation. I also have about six inches of documentation that I have down loaded.
      I only found the xxx video that was supposed to be Natalee and turned that over to the FBI.
      I have only contacted Beth, Art Wood and Dave Holloway by email.
      I still have the Clausen Investigative report that was removed.
      The album with Judy and “Stage boy” Joran I have it but it also was removed. Geoff and Michael Dompig. “You would be suprised what we can get the girls to do when we tell them we are policeman”. I have those photos plus many of Geoff inside the Holiday Inn Rooms. Remember they both worked for the VCB. I was able to tell that the casino tape had been altered as Natalee walks into the casino about 25 minutes after it shows her at the Black Jack Table.
      I can also prove that Willeim Van Cromvoirt lied when he said that he got the contract for the Holiday Inn and the Excelsior only after Natalee disappeared. I have his web site that shows when he got those contracts and then altered the dates. Why did he sell his business suddenly and leave the island and the hell with Geoff, his own son that he fired?
      If you know who has more ask if they would share. The more informtion available perhaps the closer we can get answers. By the way the photos on SM and Michelle says so from the last travel show were mine. The Dana show was tape from my home. So please see if they will share.
      Thank You
      Now to an extent I agree with you. In reading Dr. Hodges book, it really does not say where they took Natalee. Only what happened and by which assailants. He; Dr Hodges believes she was taken out on a boat and discarded in the sea. It could also mean that she was taken out on a boat, turned over to someone and that was her “LAST DAY” as a free person instead of “LAST DAY” as dead. Just a thought along Richard’s thoughts.

    89. greanteawoman on January 1st, 2008 5:25 pm

      “Joran has openly made the statement and it was televised in the Netherlands when he got off the plane. “I know what happened and I will tell you someday, but not now”. That is definitely an admission of knowing what happened to Natalee.”

      Brie, that is interesting. I had heard that both he and Paulus said that. In fact I had a photo of them on the roof of their house in my video with the statement – “They said they would talk, but not now. Why not now?”

      Here’s the photo:


      I didn’t want to give them too much face time so I didn’t use the photo. Sickening isn’t it? !!

      The reason Joran can make statements like that is because he knows he’s untouchable. :-(

    90. greanteawoman on January 1st, 2008 5:46 pm

      “Joran has openly made the statement and it was televised in the Netherlands when he got off the plane. “I know what happened and I will tell you someday, but not now”. That is definitely an admission of knowing what happened to Natalee.”

      Brie, I had heard that Paulus and Joran made that statement. In fact I almost included the following photo of them on the roof of their home in my video:


      I decided against it. It would have been giving them too much face time.

      Joran can say things like that because he knows he’s untouchable.

    91. waterboy (Jerry) on January 1st, 2008 6:28 pm

      Juan said

      That’s right Jerry. So take a right at the next corner, and keep on going…………….

      Juan, a “right” is only 90%. Go back to geometry 101, don’t cross go and don’t collect $200.

      Is it Juan or Joran?


    92. brie on January 1st, 2008 6:32 pm

      #90….I guess being a suspect allows you to say whatever you want…but not a witness…so if he is a witness and knows what happened that’s a different story. Bring him in as witness, he says he knows!!! From what he has said he is claiming to be a witness! As well as Paulus! HANS DO YOUR JOB. THEY ARE CLAIMING TO BE WITNESSES….OPEN ADMISSION

    93. waterboy (Jerry) on January 1st, 2008 6:43 pm



      10061906 on January 1st, 2008 3:34 am
      As we have said many times here. When a nerve gets hit the trolls come out to play.?I think quite a few were hit tonight: right Jerry.


      Remember Roy? The trolls bruised him, cut him, chewed him up, to the point that he quit posting. His premise—that Paulus, not Joran was the killer, and Joran was covering for him.


    94. waterboy (Jerry) on January 1st, 2008 6:44 pm



      10061906 on January 1st, 2008 3:34 am
      As we have said many times here. When a nerve gets hit the trolls come out to play.?I think quite a few were hit tonight: right Jerry.


      Remember Roy? The trolls bruised him, cut him, chewed him up, to the point that he quit posting. His premise—that Paulus, not Joran was the killer, and Joran was covering for him.


    95. brie on January 1st, 2008 6:56 pm

      #91…It’s probably Joran!!!

    96. Maggie on January 1st, 2008 7:00 pm

      Ty greanteawoman for the excellent video!

      Nova June 29, 2005

      Reporter: Which function do you have here at the island? Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?

      PvdS: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [plaatsvervangend lid van het gemeenschappelijk hof van justitie van de nederlandse antillen en Aruba] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.

      Reporter: So, you are replacement judge?

      PvdS: Yes.

      Reporter: Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors’ office that ordered your detention?

      PvdS: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [kabinetschef van de procureur generaal].

      Reporter: So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

      PvdS: Yes.

      Reporter: Mrs. Croes.

      PvdS: Yes.

      Reporter: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

      PvdS: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

      Reporter: Who was that in your case?

      PvdS: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of Police commissioners.

      Reporter: Jan van der Straten.

      PvdS: That was Jan van der Straten, yes.

      Reporter: And you know each other very well?

      PvdS: Yes.

      Per Joran’s book

      Van der Straaten arrives and tells Joran that he “has known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland, that you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed to a mental institution. You only have to tell the truth.”

    97. 10061906 on January 1st, 2008 7:12 pm


    98. brie on January 1st, 2008 7:12 pm

      The kid, Joran is an alcoholic and a sociopath…and his parents do nothing to help the situation…to make it worse, Paulus gives Joran a porno cd to keep him awake in class in college. Is that not sick!!…Look at Anita..do you want to see my underware……thank you no! They are pigs. But protected by Posner!!!!

    99. 10061906 on January 1st, 2008 7:17 pm

      Jerry Yes I do. Do you remember the trolls and the abuse they tried to dish out but couldn’t take. That was Bluesky and Amsterdamlaw.
      I think they retreated to Dacula Georgia.

    100. Maggie on January 1st, 2008 7:20 pm

      Greanteawoman, Joran can say anything he wants about Natalee and has since day one, If I didn’t know she was dead, I would be worried she would show up and prove me to be a big fat liar.. he never had that fear and still continues to say all kinds of things about her, because he knows she will never be able to challenge what he says. Someone thought it was real important for her to not go back to Alabama the next day and tell what went on that night.

    101. Capslockwizard on January 1st, 2008 7:56 pm

      klaasend: update in the wire

    102. Richard on January 1st, 2008 8:10 pm

      Pat in Alabama (#77) … My question exactly.

      I’ve asked this before: does anyone NOT think there was/is a cover-up on Aruba? Does anyone think that stupidity, inexperience, and incompetence are enough to explain the dark saga of the last two and a half years there?

      I don’t think anybody has said that there has been and is no cover-up.

      Please re-read post #82. Is this horror unique? No; we remember the case of the American couple who were drugged in the casino. The man was left there; the woman was taken out to the desert and raped, then brought back.

      Remember that human trafficking is endemic in Latin America. Remember that one woman can produce $500,000 in almost pure profit for her captors (according to the Organization of American States).

      Remember that not too many people are going to see what’s going on in the private quarters of a drug lord … and that the corrupt police are part and parcel of his empire.

      Oh, yes, I forgot … this sort of thing can’t happen to an American, can it? Only to “others.”

      Remember Amy Bradley.

      Maggie (#100) … when I read Joran’s comment that “I’ll laugh if they find the girl,” it doesn’t sound to me as if he’s saying she’s dead, though I could well be wrong. It sounds to me as if he’s saying, “The guy who has her isn’t on Aruba and has total influence with the police in his area. They are paid off too well to give one damn about some American girl … they probably think it’s great to see one of the all-powerful Americans be a sex slave to somebody else.”

      That’s how I read the statement. I could be wrong.

      In that case, what is the motive of the cover-up? Especially when Aruba’s own interests would be served by providing a clear solution to the case.

      It has tried to convince us that Natalee is dead.
      But no evidence: all that we have gotten are statements. Oh, yes, it did rush to arrest the two black security guards … but guess what? Beth Twitty proved that this was a blind alley.

    103. Richard on January 1st, 2008 8:14 pm

      1006 (#87) … We know from the books of Beth and Dave that the FBI have told them that they believe Natalee is dead, the victim of a homicide.

      My problem with this: I think they were steered in this direction by Aruba. Why? Precisely to preclude any investigation into other possibilities.

      Of course, I’m not saying that Natalee isn’t dead … I’m just saying that I think Aruba has its own dark reasons for steering the FBI in this direction. And as I said, most middle-class Americans would think that if the FBI said it, then it must be true.

      There’s no dress rehearsal for a horror of this nature. Were I in the shoes of Beth and Dave, then I probably would believe the FBI as well.

      But I’m not, and I suspect that they were steered away from the truth on purpose. Perhaps we will learn the truth, one day.

    104. Maggie on January 1st, 2008 8:33 pm

      ^Richard, I don’t put any credit into him saying he will laugh if they find the girl, he also said Deepak raped and buried her and that she was a lesbian, wanted to see sharks, wanted to stay on a beach alone at 3am, said she has a plantation and slaves, wasn’t drunk, was drunk. etc.. I just simply believe Natalee was the victim of a liar who portrayed himself to be something he wasn’t just as he has done for 2 and a half years to everyone else. I don’t believe Deepak had no minutes on his phone in the club and got lost and couldn’t find the other 2, so he went out to get the car ready. I think that was business as usual. They all knew Carlos n Charlies well. I don’t see working all day and going out till after 2 am drinking then going home and cleaning and hosing your car either. Tooooooo many wierd circumstances such as that one that night, I don’t believe Natalee ever survived past that night. If I ever saw anything to point my thinking into another direction I would follow it, but havent. Chat sessions of getting American girls and what they were going to do with them is a big hint. I believe Mos said that, they believe they had a history of drugging women. Even taken out to sea it’s been 2 years and she may have washed away by now. Depends on how far out and how she would be weighted down.

    105. greanteawoman on January 1st, 2008 8:57 pm

      #96 Maggie

      “Ty greanteawoman for the excellent video!”

      Thank you Maggie! It was exhausting to make, took hours and hours. But I was determined to do some small thing that I could do to shed light on this travesty of injustice.

      I can’t do much from my vantage point, but I can make videos! ;-)

      !!! Boycott Aruba !!!

      OMGosh – I am so glad I am moderating comments on that video. I’m getting some nasty comments in broken English, if ya catch my drift.

    106. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2008 8:59 pm

      You’re a rotter, Mr. Vandersloot rhymes with boat…

      You’re the king poozle of sinful sots…

      Your heart’s a dead tomato…

      splot With moldy purple spots!


      mmmm, nummy.

      gotta run, it’s snack time!



    107. 10061906 on January 1st, 2008 8:59 pm

      Our prayers go out to these sailors families.

      It is getting apparent that Americans are not liked anywhere anymore. I/we have to give up our tax dollars because of our goodie two shoes, senators and congressman who send money all over the world while we have a deficit that is so big I can’r pronounce it.
      Do I advocate the Woodrow Wilson Doctrine no but I sure as hell advocate the one stated by our first president.

    108. Capslockwizard on January 1st, 2008 9:38 pm

      klaasend: FYI in the wires

    109. Carpe Noctem on January 1st, 2008 11:15 pm

      So, we pull back to get a global view
      of what is going on in Aruba on 5.30.2005.

      You’ve got a number of sons with fathers in
      prominent positions.







      Dilbert and his father Paulus set out for
      a night of fun and frivolity. WEVER sets Joran
      up to be the hero that wins the FEMALE TARGET’S

      The girl is happy to get money back… they agree to
      hook up later at C & C. Joran & Co. blow in, staying
      only 30 minutes. In that 30 min. the drug is in the drink. Out the door they go.

      Sometimes from there to the hotel… or, like on that night, Joran’s tragically gay backyard tree fort.

      On 5.30.2005, it was TRASH DUMP-US de SLOOT!


      Nobody wants to turn Paul in, because they know
      what kind of dirt he has on their kids.

      ARUBA STYLE – as 1006 says.

      They almost had it down to a science, up until our
      girl Nat came along and kicked all of their pansy a$$e$.

      Oh well pimps… life is a b, huh?
      Ya can’t keep a good girl down.




    110. waterboy (Jerry) on January 1st, 2008 11:53 pm


      I don’t know if you heard Dana’s interview with Jug Twitty, but what he said about Julia Renfro might interest you. He felt like Julia was giving them the complete run-around, and running cover for someone (by sending them on wild goose hunts), he seemed to think for Paulus; with there being some connection between them that he could never quite interpret. (She was also very interested in the search at the landfill and spent a lot of time out there. I don’t know what Dave thinks about her.)

      My point is, if Natalee was alive and being shuffled from place to place, then someone would have to run interference. Could this have been Julia’s purpose? Sounds too bazaar even for a horror movie, but then again this whole thing baffles any horror movie I have ever seen.


    111. Ray on January 2nd, 2008 2:07 am

      It only took a couple of local to be killed and one cop to be wounded for the law to crack doen on illegal guns. How many girls will have to be raped and murdered before they crack down on DATE RAPE DRUGS.


    112. Pat in Alabama on January 2nd, 2008 2:20 am


      “and there are few here that have done more research on this case than you”

      That was actually meant to be a compliment, although perhaps poorly worded.

    113. Ray on January 2nd, 2008 2:28 am

      If the RV PERSISTENCE that is searching the waters off Aruba for Natalee finds no fishtrap or no Body then we have to reconsider the possiblity that Natalee is being held in a Caribbean WHOREHOUSE. For a innocent young woman like Natalee, it is not A PRETTY THOUGHT.

    114. mayan_moons on January 2nd, 2008 3:17 am


      I think so highly of all of you & i thank God everyday you’re here. You guy’s are compassionate And tough as nails at the same time. You’re funny and can dice those ignorant troll’s up quicker than a Japenese chef and like Roy said the other day…..we’re like pittbull’s latched on to Natalee and BELIEVE IT troll’s….we are NEVER letting this go until Natalee is found one way or another.

      The crew said they are reading/interpreting all the data the ROV has captured now. Picture us all holding hands & praying that Natalee will be found & brought home, our voice’s are as one, as are our hearts.

    115. Natalee on January 2nd, 2008 3:56 am

      Hi Deepak;
      Remember me. Of course you and your brother remember me. You are so lucky that they did not prosecute you for kidnapping. I never said you had a beautiful taxi. I don’t remember too much after getting in the back seat with your friend.
      You and your brother were always a spectator; why did you do this to me? You should have known this was wrong and Joran would get you in trouble. But no, you too were pushing the envelope. Why did you do this? Why me?
      Your brother doesn’t see ghosts. Your brother sees me and what you three did to me. Why does your brother not say anything? Why does he want to go to a seminary?
      Did you tell your mother what you did to me? It could happen to your sister. You really should not drink so much; it could kill you. Do you drink to try and forget? You know you will never forget. The only way you will rest is if you tell the truth about what you did to me and help find me. You don’t know how lonely it is here.
      You said I danced beautifully. That is not what you meant. What you meant is you forced me to have sex with you and your brother; and it was not easy. It was only easy when your friend starting choking me. Why not tell them where you put me. Your life will be a living hell until you do tell. Why couldn’t you look my mother in the eye when she asked if you hurt me. You lied to her. I don’t like when people lie to my mother. Its cold and lonely her. I want to go home. Please tell them where I am. I won’t beg anymore; with you that does not mean anything. You didn’t stop you just kept at it until I died. Please tell them where I am.

    116. dennisintn on January 2nd, 2008 8:22 am

      i expect to see an expose co-written by renfro and gielen next week telling how american teenagers are responsible for bringing in illegal firearms on illegal medflights and distributing them free of charge to the young, innocent, aruban teenagers after church services are over and before all that tremendous load of community service they do down there.

    117. Wang cares on January 2nd, 2008 9:20 am

      #82 greanteawoman, very sorry to hear this story, but I have one comment. How is the police supposed to solve crimes if they are not being told about them?

    118. Sharon Chicago on January 2nd, 2008 9:27 am

      #113 … I cannot imagine that Natalee was taken anywhere to be used in any whore house….

      The lies that Joran and 2K’s told tell the story of guilty behavior… Joran would not have left Natalee at the beach after raping/drugging her since he knew she had a plane to catch the next day, that she would not remember what happened the night before, and that he and 2K’s were the last to be seen with her. His story was that he had been with 20 other girls and this has never happened before…meaning he has always gotten away with it before.

      The FBI … sides with the theory she is dead/was murdered that night.

    119. Sharon Chicago on January 2nd, 2008 9:36 am

      #104 Maggie very well said…I totally agree with you…

    120. Sharon Chicago on January 2nd, 2008 9:43 am

      #102 Richard… I feel like the FBI is so much smarter than the ALE and your comment about Aruba steering the FBI … I think you should give them more credit than that… they can see through the holes in this whole case.

      I would rather stand with the “middle class Americans” who lean towards believing the FBI’s theory. After all they have been in this business way longer than you or me and I really think the ALE is not smart enough to blow smoke up their chimneys without them being aware of what was happening.

    121. Dutchman on January 2nd, 2008 11:32 am

      Richard answer to 102 Incompetence had nothing to do with this… Total and complete cover up..

    122. Richard on January 2nd, 2008 2:05 pm

      Well, basically it doesn’t make much difference what I think did or didn’t happen. We KNOW that Natalee went off in the car with the three. We KNOW that a few hours later, they were already beginning to lie and cover up.

      These are the facts.

      I don’t think that we can be dogmatic and say that this, and only this, is what happened.

      I may well be wrong, as I said, but my work in the Amy Bradley case predisposes me to look at the idea of trafficking. Nothing so far has disproven it … but I agree that we don’t have any evidence in favor of it, at least not to my knowledge.

      So it’s just another of the many hypotheses out there.

      What REALLY matters, in my mind, is that we all do what we can to convince the world that Aruba is no fit destination for tourists.

      And that we will never abandon our resolve to find justice for Natalee Holloway and her family.

    123. Capslockwizard on January 2nd, 2008 6:14 pm

      Klaasend: I did send it to the … last night.

      Did BT received it.
      SM: It was sent but no response yet. Thanks for all your hard work!

    124. Dolf on January 4th, 2008 7:26 am

      Americans screaming for guncontrol…

    125. Patti on January 5th, 2008 3:17 am

      This article reminds me of another where Jossy wrote about the new parliament. He is aminant about the division of class that has taken over the island since the election of Prime Minister Oduber. He tells of dirty deals where only the very wealthy or their friends benefit, locking the average Aruban out of position for opportunity.

      Aruba is at war with itself, as well as with us, as it has found itself in the grips of a hypocritical tyrant who, with his chosen few, intimidate and manhandle the meek. A tyrant who’s justice is served based on who you know and what religion you practice. The Arawak Nation will always be known for its’ corruption and unreasonableness and is one that you do not drop your defense against.

      In some countries, it’s better to arm yourself; as you never know when you may meet up with the reeper. Aruba is one such place.



    126. Juan on January 7th, 2008 6:39 pm

      #115 Go directly to the picket lines of the writer’s strike.

    127. Rick on January 9th, 2008 1:00 am

      really melodramatic. You are welcome to join the Writers strike.

      of course, it’s a sad situation, but are you so obsessed about what you believe is true in this case that you have to write these silly ‘i’m natalee?’

    128. DiSetti on February 27th, 2009 8:21 am

      Where is Satish?
      Why is nobody went to LA to find him?

      What about the wizzard… realy a “kelder”
      if so let call the cowboys then the babalonias the elders everyone.

      It is time for justice! ! !
      JVDS, PVDS and co in you’re words

      It is time to play ‘Texas Hold’m”

    129. DiSetti on February 27th, 2009 8:25 am

      at all #’rs

      glad that there is still attention on this case.
      We may never forget this.

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