Breaking: Is it Possible? Another Tourist Missing in Aruba!!! Second Girl Missing … American Student Joyce Buckely

 

Has it happened again in Aruba? Another Missing Female Tourist!

MISSING AGAIN IN ARUBA

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(24 Ora)

It was only a matter of time before it happened again on “One Happy Island” in Aruba. According to preliminary reports from 24ora, another female tourist in missing in Aruba. Some initial translations of the article seem to indicate that a female tourist left the Karma Lounge with two guys and has not been seen since.

UPDATE I: Rough Translation of 24ora article

Young tourist missing in Aruba

Sunday, 23 December 2007

Sunday morning a mother alarmed authorities to tell them her daughter is missing. Apparently the girl went out to a bar and never returned. The girl and her family was staying according to information at the Holiday Inn.

The mother together with the police went looking at various night clubs for the young woman.  Information they were able to obtain was that the young girl was last seen leaving in a car with two man near Karma lounge. Until this afternoon the police spokesperson cannot say if they succeeded in finding the girl or not. On the picture the mother together with the police can be seen leaving the Havana Beach Club.

UPDATE II: It seems the spirit of Natalee Holloway is “following” us

23 year old American student Joyce Buckely is missing in Aruba

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It seems the spirit of Natalee Holloway is “following” us.

Sunday morning the mother of an American student went to the Police station Noord to report her daughter missing.  Joyce Buckeley went on a Banana Bus trip and when the trip had ended the young woman 23 years old did not arrive back at her hotel.

In the morning hours a big alarm was given to the police authorities, one of the head officers of police, Dolfi Richardson, has asked for a formal “investigation” contrary to the case of Natalee Holloway, and also when another person had disappeared, normally the police waits 48 hours before the big alarm, before a person is officially missing.

UPDATE III: What did we say in the past Aruba, a cloud hangs over your island.

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UPDATE IV: It is up in the air whether Joyce Buckely has been found or not. It appears that she was found.

Comment from the front page: The Awe Mainta article posted above should have been translated. It goes on to say in the last 2 columns that after the ALE checked every nightclub in Oranjestad, Santa Cruz etc, including chollerhoues etc the police returned to the hotel at 5 in the morning and went into the parent’s bedroom where they found the girl fast asleep, reeking of liquor, drunk and possibly on drugs.

It says that probably, the parents were too busy looking into the children’s bedroom, that they didn’t check their own room… etc etc…

Unfortunately the parents were already threatening with boycotts of the island, cursing it etc and the like before they realized what was going on. Their daughter was right there all the time.

Honestly, there is something not right about any of this story. Was this a case of what the Natalee Holloway story was supposed to be, before something bad happened?

However, one thing is for certain. When ever any one goes missing for one second in Aruba, the first thing that the parents thought of was Natalee Holloway and the manner in how the police ineptly investigated her disappearance. Better learn to deal with it Aruba, that is your legacy.

UPDATE V: Some Confirmation to the missing person story

Yes, it did occur, but apparently there was a mix-up of rooms involved. The girl did go out and did come back to her hotel, but went to sleep in another room instead of her own. The police did go out in force to search for her in every nightclub and elsewhere while she was all the time safe in the hotel where they were staying. In this case it was luckily a confusion of rooms, unlike the Natalee case, where the girl is still missing after two and a half years of unfruitful searches and the most bizarre twists and turns in the investigation that followed her disappearance. (Jossy Mansur)

Posted December 23, 2007 by
Aruba, Missing Persons | 101 comments


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  • Comments

    101 Responses to “Breaking: Is it Possible? Another Tourist Missing in Aruba!!! Second Girl Missing … American Student Joyce Buckely”

    1. nurturer on December 23rd, 2007 9:35 pm

      Has no one heard of the Natalee Holloway case?

      What’s it going to take?

    2. brie on December 23rd, 2007 10:08 pm

      It’s Posner..doing his dirty deeds, he’s knows no one is going to touch him in Aruba….that’s why he’s there….got away with it once, or maybe twice with Amy Bradley..and possibly Natalee..now we have a third…Check out his reputation..check out his relationship with Paulus and Joran. The Ale knows and they are just as bad. Payola!!!

      Accordingly to the laws Posner has no right to own an hotel…but yet he does?

      No one stands for justice..it’s a pit!!!

    3. Carpe Noctem on December 23rd, 2007 10:16 pm

      Insanity is doing the same thing again over and

      over, and expecting different results.

      It can be found in copious quantities

      in that unfettered sh. hole,

      they keep likin’ to call Aruba!

      If it has happened again… my heart goes out

      to the girls family! Even though, I am upset

      that her parents didn’t lookout for

      Natalee Ann’s warning call.

      When are people gonna WAKE the up? -j4n

    4. Allan on December 23rd, 2007 10:22 pm

      I hope the best! But what the hell can not anybody learn after Natalee?

    5. Dan on December 23rd, 2007 10:37 pm

      http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/
      above is the addy in which you can read the daily info from the Persistence searching for Natalee.

    6. deb on December 23rd, 2007 11:07 pm

      CAN ANYONE FIND OUT ANY MORE INFO ON THIS MISSING GIRL AND UPDATE US??? WONDER HOW MANY OTHERS WERE MISSING BEFORE???

    7. iwabwu on December 23rd, 2007 11:14 pm

      Is it Natalee Holloway following Aruba?

      Or, is it the sound of Aruba’s own footsteps?

      Who’s footprints are left behind in the sand?

    8. MBS on December 23rd, 2007 11:31 pm

      I pray this young woman is found safe and sound. At the very least, I hope the ALE have learned something from their past mistakes, and make a credible attempt to investigate this poor girl’s disappearance.

    9. anne on December 23rd, 2007 11:54 pm

      I hope this gets reported in the mainstream media. This must be made public throughout the world so that Aruba can be seen for what it really is — the furthest thing from paradise.

    10. Dan on December 24th, 2007 12:11 am

      I so agree with # 9, this needs media attention big time. Lets see if they really learned from their past mistakes. Chances are they will botch this as well. I wonder if they asked this parent how much money they had? Not to worry, go have a drink and relax, she will show up in a few days.
      I hope and pray this young girl is found alive and well, mothers please take heed to the aruba warning, its no joke nor a story, its a fact that they just simly do not care.

    11. deb on December 24th, 2007 12:20 am

      i sent this article to greta among others on fox news and she replied and is looking into this as we speak
      __________________
      SM: We are getting ready to update the front page. Looks like the girl was found in the parents bedroom. Very strange story. You can read in the forum:

      http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2470.msg321159#msg321159

    12. Crioyo (in Aruba) on December 24th, 2007 12:22 am

      Hey everybody.

      The Awe Mainta article posted above should have been translated. It goes on to say in the last 2 columns that after the ALE checked every nightclub in oranjestad, santa cruz etc, including chollerhoues etc the police returned to the hotel at 5 in the morning and went into the parent’s bedroom where they found the girl fast asleep, reeking of liquor, drunk and possibly on drugs.

      It says that probably, the parents were too busy looking into the children’s bedroom, that they didn’t check their own room… etc etc…

      Unfortunately the parents were already threatening with boycotts of the island, cursing it etc and the like before they realized what was going on. Their daughter was right there all the time.

      I’m pretty sure by tomorrow you guys will have a whole translation, but this is basically the story. Goodnight everyone..
      ___________________________
      SM: Yes, we have the translation in the forum. Don’t you think it’s rather odd that the parents wouldn’t see their own daughter in their bedroom? (klaasend)

    13. Patti on December 24th, 2007 12:22 am

      I just said it, the other night, The Holiday Inn is a place women are known for going missing.
      Remember? Columbian, Dutch or Venezuelan; and, now, another American?

      I can feel Rudy Croes, flipping his nose at us. Surely, the Arawak Nation has not purchased another American?

      Death to the Arawak!

      .

      That means you, too,

      Rudy, the kiss of death.

      Your birds are weak!

      Choooo!

      .

      Boycott Aruba!

    14. katablog on December 24th, 2007 12:30 am

      Gawd, I really hope this is merely Aurba’s sense of humor. I don’t see anything in the American news yet. But the fact that it is reported in a foreign newspaper is not good.

      Shall we wait a couple of hours and see if Aruba retracts this? Hmmm, Joran is on one crappy island; wonder what he was doing today.

      Of course I wouldn’t put it past Aruba to actual do something quirky and quickly find this girl well and alive to try to shift blame for Natalee on Natalee and her family. Getting the point? I don’t trust Aruba.

    15. Patti on December 24th, 2007 12:40 am

      So, was the girl drugged?

      Maybe the girl came in after her

      mother left to report her missing.

      Strange that she would fall asleep there…

      Perhaps, she came in to tell her mother something,

      and, feeling the effects of the drugs, passed out.

      Very odd.

      I’d have a rape kit done on my daughter.

    16. Patti on December 24th, 2007 12:43 am

      .

      and a drug test?!?!?!

      .

    17. katablog on December 24th, 2007 12:51 am

      Crioyo (in Aruba): Surely you can see why Americans would quickly pick-up on a daughter missing in Aruba.

      I agree with those who say the girl should be immediately checked for drugs, alcohol and date rape drugs.

    18. Patti on December 24th, 2007 1:07 am

      I got drugged in a bar one time by the most beautiful man. He was from Greece. But when he got me outside something struck fear in me and I told him that I had to go home. After falling asleep at the wheel on an interstate and hitting the highway divider and having my car bounce back into my lane, I knew I was in trouble. I couldn’t keep my eyes open. Finally, I was woken up by the Police… passed out in the middle of an intersection, two hours later. Two hours that I have, absolutely, no recollection of.

      I don’t know what he had in store for me, but I lucked out of all the excitement. Funny thing is: He could have had, practically, any girl in the bar. But, he liked to drug his women and he chose me. He walked out with his arm around me like he’d just won First Prize… his victim.

      But, I still love men; or atleast most of the men
      I’ve had a relationship with… especially one.

    19. minnesota dad on December 24th, 2007 1:09 am

      One of two things is going on here:

      1) The release of the suspects last week means that it is fair game again to drug and rape American tourists. Several things are pretty odd….including….

      a) Parents are taken to bars to look for child. Parents are lead away from hotel.
      b) Parents room is where the “drugged” and drunk girl is found. Why would she have gone there if she was staying in another room?
      c)In the same sentence, they state she was sober, but then say she wreaked of alcohol and drugs. I am not sure what the smell of someone on drugs is or how that can be discerned from alcohol.
      d) They also state she was “sleeping soundly”.

      Sounds to me like ALE tracked down the two perps in the white car – who they knew – diverted the parents from the hotel, and returned the drugged girl to the parents room. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

      OR….

      2) This is all just a PR spin to show that Aruba is safe and that ALE – who we know are a bunch of corrupt hooligans – will divert from policy to protect tourists. The only reason I say this is when you ‘google’ Joyce Buckley you come up with virtually nothing. Most college students have Myspace or Facepages….or at least would come up in a search for being involved in something….Joyce Buckley = Nothing. Be interesting to see if this story quietly goes away because there is no Joyce Buckley, or if it has legs.

      MD

    20. ldstlou on December 24th, 2007 1:16 am

      I so hope this young girl is ok…I really do…but I also hope Aruba gets more bad publicity for this!!! There are too many men who look at out American girls as easy prey…and it has got to stop!!! Our kids go with their friends and family for a “safe” vacation!!! A time to let their hair down and enjoy the sun and drinks and friends and dancing….and the creeps on Aruba look at our children as easy prey!! It has got to stop!!! Before another one of our precious daughters “dissappears”, it must stop!!!

    21. Patti on December 24th, 2007 1:28 am

      Aruba will ALWAYS be remembered as the island that robbed a girl of her justice. It will always be suspect when things go wrong. No one will ever forget how they treated Natalee’s family while they looked for their daughter while all Aruba did was cover the tracks.

      Natalee will not rest, until she’s home. Her memory will, forever, haunt you; through a mother’s cries and tears. They will curse you, right to your face, for the harm your island brought to that girl. That pretty, little girl named Natalee.

      .

      Boycott!

    22. brie on December 24th, 2007 2:02 am

      Something wrong happened!

    23. Ray on December 24th, 2007 2:17 am

      What the Hell was this woman thinking about,taking her daughter to ARUBA. Did she not know about Natalee.
      Did she believe that it was impossible for something to happen to her child.
      Im not sure that she LOVES her child.

      BOYCOTT ARUBA FOREVER.

    24. molly in houston on December 24th, 2007 2:25 am

      Rape and drug tests should be done immediately on this girl. She was probably case #20 or #21, (we’ve done this 20 times and nothing bad happened.). I think the parents were drawn away to look in bars while the culprits were notified to bring the girl back. There is probably a video of what was done to her still on the island. Same ole stink from Aruba. “You must be a redneck, or really stupid, if you go to Aruba….” (just a play on words.)

      molly in houston

    25. Scared Monkeys on December 24th, 2007 2:39 am

      #12,

      None of this story makes any sense.

      It does show one very important fact though. The second anything happens in Aruba and a person does not show up … the first thing people think of is Natalee Holloway and the manner in how the case was investigated.

      R

    26. Mike on December 24th, 2007 2:52 am

      First off they had no business being in Aruba. The same old story ‘It will not happen to me”.

    27. gary on December 24th, 2007 3:45 am

      OVER REACTION——You people need to keep these young grls on a leash and teach them how to handle their alcohol and drugs…………

    28. nurturer on December 24th, 2007 3:49 am

      #26 – Correct. Absolute selfishness on the part of this family. And when they thought something had gone wrong, then they cried ‘Boycott’.

      Why weren’t they crying BOYCOTT before this and spending their time elsewhere?

      Stupid is as stupid does, sir!

      A well deserved lesson.

    29. Dolf on December 24th, 2007 6:02 am

      maybe this girl just partied?

    30. resolution on December 24th, 2007 7:55 am

      They probably will not do any testing and will put the blame solely on the girl and/or parents to thwart any blame on the officials or perps. (Funny how Joran is still in Aruba! Would he be that stupid?) Hmmmmm….

      I hope she tells her story. BTW, does anyone know how old she was?

    31. Gabriel Leo on December 24th, 2007 8:30 am

      Source of the problem is alcohol abuse, it is not a secret how US-youngsters are abusive drinkers, like it or not! It’s a damn SHAME how those Parents allowed their KIDS to go out and drink and TOLORATE it. No one forces you to abuse of alcohol and especially no one is responsible for the abuse but yourself. I really hope that in the morning they got an ass beating from the parents for drinking alcohol like its water. And sure go ahead DO the DRUG TEST, they should Demand it if they are responsible Parents, I see why not. But I would start with that ass beating first ;) responsible Parents, I see why not. But I would start with that a$$ beating first ;)

    32. deb on December 24th, 2007 8:36 am

      im sure surveilance videos are not available from the hotel for hours before 5AM??? that should answer some questions. if nothing happened, these tapes should be availabe to see girl return home. SM can you follow up on this???

    33. Pearl on December 24th, 2007 9:30 am

      MD – 19, you took the words right out of my mouth!

      Verbatim.

      You nailed it. Perhaps another victim was targeted, only this time, there was a double twist the “strategic plan”: that the Aruba gang of the unscrupulous and unconscionable, are somehow – now, “functioning” so that they can go back singing “happy and safe” in the same sentence.

      Sound like a “vacation” to any of you Monkeys?
      Sound safe and happy?
      Sound like ‘paradise’?

      It’s amazing how – they even have “the girl” back in a room, via – the old “lead them away from where they are standing routine”.

      Someone should tell Dolphi to start policing the investigation that never happened.
      Maybe Dophi can investigate the ‘investigation’ and all those suspects and the so-called “investigators”, because their case REEKS of injustice and corruption!

      Dompig and Van der Straten were never interested in finding Natalee, and since Aruba doesn’t seem interested at all in truly serving justice by actually investigating the scoundrels who stole Natalee’s life away, how on earth could that island ever continue to be thought of as ‘safe’?

      Freely roaming devils violated Natalee in every conceivable way that their vicious minds could conceive of. And now, these devils roam about free with full liberties in Aruba: at the bars, the casinos, and again – at the hotels, while pretending to be tourists to their NEXT VICTIMS.

      I’m hoping for a miracle, MD! I’m also expecting that our United States State Department is going to evaluate this injustice and treachery.
      That island cannot be deemed safe for children, or any American tourist.

      Justice for Natalee Holloway.

    34. Dusty on December 24th, 2007 10:09 am

      If I were her parents I would fly her back to the US NOW!!! Take her to the hosital and have her checked for GHB and a rape check also!

    35. Vicki on December 24th, 2007 10:12 am

      Wow..so they games havent stopped…Im “inclined” to believe that when the parents started screaming BOYCOTT, the pimps were notified to get “the Girl” back to her hotel room…How sickening….She needs tests done on her asap…but its LIERUBA so what would it matter…How stupid these ppl were to go there in the first place….FOR GOODNESS SAKE…

    36. yoyo muffintop on December 24th, 2007 10:26 am

      #23: “What the Hell was this woman thinking about,taking her daughter to ARUBA. Did she not know about Natalee.
      Did she believe that it was impossible for something to happen to her child.
      Im not sure that she LOVES her child.”

      #26: “First off they had no business being in Aruba.”

      Blame the victim.
      Such hypocrites.

    37. Miss-Underestimated on December 24th, 2007 10:35 am

      “It does show one very important fact though. The second anything happens in Aruba and a person does not show up … the first thing people think of is Natalee Holloway and the manner in how the case was investigated.”

      And this will haunt Aruba for ever. Sounds to me like someone brought the girl back to the parents room when they knew the parents were out looking for her.

      Molly even if they did a rape test, do you think any truth would come out. It will be the same ole crap. Nothing happened, the ALE will say she was drunk and drugging. Another reason NOT to go to Aruba.

    38. Scared Monkeys on December 24th, 2007 10:45 am

      To hear the Aruba defenders and the anti-victim crowd is beyond laughable.

      Folks … Aruba makes a living off of the selling of alcohol and drugs to tourists. This is their bread and butter. They promote it. If anyone is so naive to think that is not the case, one only needs to go into any dance club and see it for one’s self. They want tourists to over indulge.

      In the states we have laws that hold establishments responsible for the number of drinks that one serves a customer. Hell, we hold private citizens who throw parties responsible if some thing bad happens to one of their party-goers.

      In Aruba, its just the opposite. They promote the over-excessive of drinking.

      This is not just a tourist issue as some would make you believe. How many stories have we seen published in local newspapers that talk about the high percentage of kids in Aruba that drink to excess or are on drugs?

      This does not even discuss the issue that is known on the Island of being able to pay a bartenders $20 to have them slip “G” in an individuals drink.

      The cat is out of the bag and from here to eternity, this is going to be the reaction of people when their loved one’s do not show up.

      This will continue to happen until people completely wizen up and say to themselves … If I do not trust a place to find my loved one if “some thing bad happens”, WHY AM I EVEN HERE.
      R

    39. Melissa on December 24th, 2007 10:52 am

      I just told someone yesterday that it is just a matter of time until another Natalee Holloway case. When I read Banana Bus I thought of the Banana Bus driver Albert who preys on female American tourists for presents and trips to the US. It sounds like this young girl is safe. One already hears the responses from Aruba – blame the victim.

    40. Vicki on December 24th, 2007 11:00 am

      Thank you Red, Amazing that Gab wants to beat a 23 year olds butt, or have her parents do this, cause she over drank…Who did she leave the bar with???? Blame the person who came to this VILE island…HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE GAB????This will be a great HEADLINE for BOSTON….

    41. jason on December 24th, 2007 11:08 am

      #37 You need to get out more if you think bars in the US don’t do the very same things.

      Are you really that naive or is it something else at work here with that extremely ill informed comment about US establishments?

      Go to any major nightclub, dance club, bar, college town bars. Go to Daytona, Ft Lauderdale, Los Angeles,San Fran, Miami, New York City, any partytown USA, there’s just way too many to list here. You’ll find the same thing if not much worse. Over excessive is the key in these places. Partytowns USA want their visitors to overindulge.

      Go talk to MADD or SADD and let them educate you on drinking and underage drinking.

      You only make yourself look very foolish with ill informed comments like that.

    42. brie on December 24th, 2007 11:19 am

      Joyce went on the Banana Bus….a brightly colored bus with a 20 ft banana on top. Music, drinking and dancing on the bus. They go bar-hopping and their last stop is….guess where, Carlos n Charlies…for nightly drinking and dancing.

      That’s why Joyce was missing. Her last stop on the bus for drinking, dancing and drugging.

      Aruba encourages excessive drinking every where you go and everything you do. But of course, they will blame the tourists and accept no responsibility.

    43. brie on December 24th, 2007 11:31 am

      If you look up the Banana Bus in Aruba you can see many pictures and find out more information. Looks like a really wild ride.

      Also scanning other links about the bus shows pictures of many boats docked right next to the road. You could drive right up and put someone on a boat. Or you could lead them out the bar onto boat. And no one would even be suspicious.

    44. abby on December 24th, 2007 11:32 am

      What is there to do on Aruba? Are there any museums, diving, anything other than Carlo’s and Charlie’s and other bars?

      It’s kind of hypocritical to accuse tourists of drinking too much if there’s nothing else on offer.

      I am still trying to figure out the appeal- it just seems there’s not much to do there.

    45. yoyo muffintop on December 24th, 2007 11:51 am

      Vicki – why are you attacking Gabriel and not Mike & Ray?

      Brie says: “Aruba encourages excessive drinking every where you go and everything you do. But of course, they will blame the tourists and accept no responsibility.”
      This has to be the funniest thing I’ve read in a while. Aruba, as a country, is to blame for excessive drinking by tourists. Oh boy.

    46. Miss-Underestimated on December 24th, 2007 11:55 am

      Jason

      Do you have any idea if there are any dram shop laws in Aruba?

      If there were, Carlos and Charlies would have been sued into oblivion. Check your facts.
      Over serving in the US is against the law and if you don’t think it is enforced, check the lawsuit stats. Ever notice how many bars or night clubs are opening in the US, not as many as used to, the cost of DRAM SHOP INSURANCE and alcohol licenses are prohibitive.

      Alot of underage drinking in the US is from 21 year old A55 and irresponsible parents, partying up the booze for the underage. I suggest as you say to go check SADD and MADD to see where the majority of underage drinking happens. Homes, dorms and frats.

      The very fact of what you posted shows your speaking out of your A55. I don’t mind sounding foolish. How do you feel about sounding stupid?

    47. MBS on December 24th, 2007 12:02 pm

      #41, I don’t believe that’s true, nightclubs and bars in many states can be sued if they serve liquor to an obviously intoxicated person, and that person then gets in a car and has an accident. I have no idea what the law is in Florida, but in most of the U.S., the days of encouraging customers to drink too much are long over.

    48. minnesota dad on December 24th, 2007 12:05 pm

      Wow,

      Aruba/AHATA has scrambled the PR spin machine. Look at all of the folks that suddenly show up here trying to minimize the situation.

      As I mentioned, there are PR firms all across the country that specialize in “crisis management” communications. Aruba has hired one (evidenced by the disappearing Steve Cohen). I believe that they have an Internet group that has the job of minimizing damage to the tourism business. You can BANK on it that they are actively attempting to dampen the negative impacts on Aruba.

      Why don’t you guys spend just a little time answering my list of questions… or perhaps just this one: Under Dutch Law – Aruban style, what is the definition of “Conflict of Interest”?

      When I get a real answer….not a Yoyo answer…I will stop ignoring these PR idiots trying to minimize what Aruba has done to herself.

      MD

    49. MBS on December 24th, 2007 12:13 pm

      This whole story sounds very strange. How did this girl, if she was drunk, end up in her parents’ room? If she was coherent enough to get back to the hotel, she would have gone to her own room, not her parents, why would she bust in on her parents in the early morning hours, drunk? If someone was innocently bringing her back to her hotel as a favor, again, why wouldn’t they have taken her to her own room? The only reason I can think of to put her in her parents’ room is because whoever brought her back knew she had already been reported missing, knew the girl’s room had already been checked, and knew the parents were out looking for her and the parents’ room would then be empty. Why would she have even had a key to her parents’ room? Very strange. The people trashing this girl for supposedly drinking too much and taking drugs have no idea what happened to her. Certainly, no one can know if she voluntarily took drugs based on the news reports that have come out. Before trashing her reputation, why don’t you wait and see if more information comes out?

    50. katablog.com on December 24th, 2007 12:15 pm

      Ummm, where is the proof that Joyce, age 23, over drank? Is over drinking (when not driving) a crime in Aruba? What about your young age 17 year old Joran who admitted put away all sorts of liquor?

      Where is the proof that Joyce voluntarily took drugs? Should American girls be taught to handle GHB prior to coming to Aruba? Well then answer to that one is yes – if you are dumb enough to set foot on Aruba, you had better check your tolerance for GHB prior to going.

      Yes, indelible ink has penned Aruba’s future. The few American tourists dumb enough to be sucked into going to Aruba will all remember Natalee Holloway.

    51. brie on December 24th, 2007 12:16 pm

      Satish has two video screens in his car….they pick up the drugged American girls behind Carlos n Charlie’s rape them and film them in the car. So the rapist can watch himself and his victim on the video screen. One of screens is above Deepak’s head. They are familiar with the island and all the hiding places.

      Joran made a statement…Natalee said the music was too loud in the car and got really upset when Deepak put on a porno video.

    52. brie on December 24th, 2007 12:23 pm

      …yoyo fried dough..what are you doing back on here again…isn’t it time for you to do something constructive…like go clean the lint out of you dryer again!!!

    53. brie on December 24th, 2007 12:30 pm

      Our drinking and driving laws are heavily enforced. Not like in Aruba…everybody is so damned bombed and on top of that you might get run over by an illegal immigrant with an illegal drivers license.

    54. richard on December 24th, 2007 1:14 pm

      One thing that I would very much like to know … when was this American girl seen leaving the bar?

      How long was she missing?

      From the latest update (the fourth) posted above, it seems that she has been located and is alive.
      So let us be thankful for that.

      Joyce was 23; while it’s not quite clear from the article, it seems that she had her own room, as apart from her parents’ room. Yet she was found in her parents’ room at 5 a.m.?

      Something definitely smells rotten in Denmark, as Hamlet would say. I hope that we will get more details about this story … and that it won’t be shrugged off as “Well, kids will be kids.” I agree with the posters who say that she should be checked for date-rape drugs, etc. These pass from the body quickly, so fast action is paramount.

      Could she have been drugged on the Banana Bus trip?

    55. Kloothommel on December 24th, 2007 1:41 pm

      Hey you guys do of course boycott santa claus as that is also an dutch export product.

      http://www.the-north-pole.com/history/

    56. Vicki on December 24th, 2007 2:18 pm

      #55- Dont be an A$$..YOYO- I just think Gab is a real a$$hole….thats why..who beats their 23 year old????

    57. molly in houston on December 24th, 2007 2:27 pm

      Like I said, “you might be a redneck”…..beat your 23 year old, indeed. Beat up Urine and Kalpoops.

      boycott aruba forever

      molly in houston

    58. brie on December 24th, 2007 2:39 pm

      Hey Gabe, why don’t you come forward and be a witness against Joran for Jossy and all the independent people of Aruba. That would be a big help instead of trying to protect the pervert.

    59. brie on December 24th, 2007 3:02 pm

      Beat her up Gabe, you mean like what happened to Natalee. Oh I see, beating people is your way of thinking.

    60. brie on December 24th, 2007 3:11 pm

      Richard, another thought, I’m sure the parents didn’t leave their room door unlocked, so someone entered with a pass key while they were out searching. Someone that already knew what rooms they were staying in. Hotel records and probably hidden cameras.

    61. brie on December 24th, 2007 3:55 pm

      Richard, the last stop for the Banana Bus was Carlos n Charlie’s, so guess where she got drugged. Hotel videos, Posner is not going to turn those over.

      Seems like Carlos n Charlie’s along with Holiday Inn are not good places too be. I think they work in connection.

    62. Observer on December 24th, 2007 4:27 pm
    63. Observer on December 24th, 2007 4:27 pm

      Safe place Aruba is..Why are the police wearing bullet proof vests?

    64. Richard on December 24th, 2007 6:23 pm

      Brie, remember too (maybe everyone is sick of hearing me post this over and over again) that when AMY BRADLEY’s cruise ship docked in Aruba, members of the crew wanted to take her to C&C’s.

      She declined to go anywhere with them.

      She vanished from the ship the next morning as it was docking in Curacao.

      Maybe this Joyce lady was far luckier than she will ever know … obviously I have no evidence, but you know what I’m thinking.

      So we’re being told that she just happened to go back to her hotel and enter a different room?

      Does this make any sense at all? Or do Aruban hotel room passkeys work in every room there?

      Something smells bad here, very bad ….

      Possible trafficking case gone wrong? I don’t know, and there’s no evidence for or against it.

      I just wonder if she had been drugged and then her captors/assailants noticed that somebody was watching them, or sensed that something was wrong.

      Of course, people DO get drunk on Aruba and elsewhere. Let’s see how this story plays out.

      Seasonal wishes to all Monkeys of good will.

    65. Richard on December 24th, 2007 6:27 pm

      Another question: does it make sense that the police would have gone all around the block, so to speak, and not searched the hotel first?

      Or that nobody would have looked at the hotel security tapes? I mean, how would this girl get back INTO the hotel unnoticed if she had left?

      Unless drunken tourists are such a common item on Aruba (which doesn’t seem to be the case these days) … and my belief is that hotel clerks tend to take notice of severely inebriated guests coming back. Maybe in Aruba they can’t be bothered to look after their “guests’” welfare?

      Still can’t figure out how she’d get into someone else’s room, even if it was her parents’ room, on her own passkey or electronic card … unless she was sharing the room with them. Anyone know?

      (Unless she had the room right next door and there was some kind of connecting door.)

    66. Richard on December 24th, 2007 6:29 pm

      Apropos of nothing … I believe that Amy Bradley was also 23 when she went missing….

    67. yoyo muffintop on December 24th, 2007 6:43 pm

      Brie’s already got this girl drugged and raped.
      Sick.

    68. bleachedblack on December 24th, 2007 8:52 pm

      #38 and #39 among many others here…how right you are. In addition to party tourism being a big draw for Aruba which is completely true, something about this report stinks.

      The news seems to report that the girl was simply found “sleeping” in her mothers room? It implies her
      distraught mother simply neglected to look for her there. My question is how, if this is what happened,
      could any girl (particularly a drunk, possibly drugged girl) have gained access to another persons room? If she had her own room, the girls keycard would only access THAT room, not the mothers.

      The big question then is how did she get there? My thought would be, she was placed there. How would this occur? At the Holiday Inn Sunspree Aruba the Manager(s), Security, and housekeeping staff have master keycards to all hotel rooms. It is possible they access the WRONG room with the daughter. The next question, if this is true, would be WHY?

    69. brie on December 24th, 2007 9:31 pm

      …#67…yoyo fried dough…when your last stop is Carlos and Charlie’s on the Banana Bus and Dennis Jacobs tells us…watch out they put stuff in your drinks…it’s already and admission of what happens there!!!! What is sick….is YOU!!!!

    70. brie on December 24th, 2007 9:46 pm

      YoYo is a pain in his own ass…!!!!

    71. brie on December 24th, 2007 9:48 pm

      …..YoYo…are wacked out on crack…there’s has to be some explanation for your behavior.

    72. Ray on December 25th, 2007 3:35 am

      In my opinion this girl may have been drugged and raped and put back in the wrong room. This girl lucked out this time.

      BOYCOTT ARUBA FOREVER.

    73. molly in houston on December 25th, 2007 4:11 am

      Miss U #37–Just go the stockings hung by the fireplace, and saw your comment. The tests on the girl, age 23, are for proof to her parents of what happened; and mostly, if I may be so selfish, to prove that we SM’s are right. This is a ring of drug ‘em and rape ‘em men and boys working on Aruba. This was case #22, if Joran is telling the truth about doing this 20 times and nothing bad ever happened.

      It’s really late to be yelling boycott, but better late than never. Stupid people should never have gone to Aruba. This is what happens when you don’t listen to what has already gone down.

      Boycott Aruba

      molly in houston

    74. benh on December 25th, 2007 2:46 pm

      My name is Ben Hatchett iam from North Carolina i challange all Natalee, Beth ,and dave ,haters who live in Aruba to post with your real names.That means you to joran i have no doubt you are responsable in some way for Natalees death,NOW CALL AND CRY TO TACO.

    75. deb on December 25th, 2007 8:29 pm

      i had asked if someone from SM could follow-up or investigate and maybe talk with girl or family and find out what or how all of this really happened?? can you please let us know? thanks

    76. deb on December 25th, 2007 9:43 pm

      Amy Bradley Missing — Have you seen her??’s Interests
      Music The following information was taken from Doctor Phil.com (Originally aired Thursday November 17th, 2005)— Amy’s mother, Iva, explains how the cruise came about. “In 1998 my husband, Ron, won a trip and so we went as a family. Our first stop was Aruba, and then after that was Curuao. When we were on the ship, we noticed immediately there was a tremendous amount of attention toward Amy from the crew members. After dinner, the waiter came out of the dining room and asked me where Amy was, and I asked him why, and he said, ‘Well, we want to take her to Carlos ‘N Charlie’s.’” “When the waiter asked, I thought it was maybe a little forward of him to be asking those types of questions,” Ron adds. “When Amy came back, I said, ‘The waiter wants to take you to Carlos ‘N Charlie’s with his friends.’ And then Amy looked at me and said, ‘They’re creepy. And I’m not going anywhere with them.’” “There was a dance troupe that was allowed onboard the ship,” Iva continues. “There was a bass player who I noticed. And he was a very unsavory looking character. Amy told her brother, Brad, that the bass player had been hitting on her. She said that he was a real jerk.” Iva continues, “At about 1:00, Ron and I decided to go to bed. Some time between 5:15 and 5:30 my husband woke up and he saw Amy asleep on the deck. And about a half an hour later, at 6:00 a.m., he woke back up. He saw that Amy was no longer on the balcony.” “I immediately thought that she was up on the top deck,” says Ron, “and so I left to try and go up and find her. When I couldn’t find her, I didn’t really know what to think, because it was very much unlike Amy to leave and not tell us where she was going.” Iva recounts, “Ronnie woke me up at 7:00 a.m., and he was gray, and he said, ‘I can’t find Amy,’ and I knew immediately there was something terribly wrong. My son went up to look for Amy. He was approached by the band members and they said, ‘Sorry to hear about your sister.’ How in the world did they know anything about Amy being missing? “At approximately lunchtime, the captain said, ‘She is not on the ship. We have searched every nook and cranny.’ And I said, ‘Well, you’ve got to put a picture out.’” And he looked at me and said, ‘I cannot do that. It will disturb the other guests.’ “My son was in a fetal position. Ron was vomiting blood, and I had no feeling in my arms. “The captain made the comment to us that she could have fallen overboard. And I told him absolutely no way. He said that we should get off the boat in case she ended up in Curaao. “My gut feeling to this day was somebody saw her, somebody wanted her, and somebody took her.” Ron says, “We have reason to believe that Amy was kidnapped and possibly sold into the sex slave market somewhere on one of the Islands. We have gotten thousands of leads since this happened. One of the best leads that we had came from David Carmichael.” “In August of 1998, a friend, Brian, and I were scuba diving on the island of Curaao,” David says. “I noticed three people walking along the beach. One of them was a young girl, and she was flanked by two fellows. She had two tattoos. One of them was of a gecko, the other was of a Tasmanian Devil. The girl walked towards me. She started to stare at me. Just as she was about to say something, the fellow motioned her away. In May of 1999, I saw the segment on Unsolved Mysteries. The minute I saw her picture and saw her face, I realized that was the girl on the beach.” David may not be the only visitor to Curaao to have seen Amy. A member of the Navy says he saw her during a visit to a brothel there in 1999. She told him that her name was Amy Bradley and begged him for help. He told her there was a Navy ship five minutes down the road. As Amy’s mother recounts, “She said, ‘You don’t understand, I can’t leave. Help me. Please help me.’” But the man dismissed her plea because at the time he didn’t know Amy was missing and because he wasn’t supposed to be there. “And when he saw Amy’s picture on the front cover of People magazine, that’s when he contacted us, because he realized it was the same girl,” Iva says. “Our lives have been so drastically changed in the last seven years. Every waking moment is, ‘Where is Amy?’ I just want people to know that when girls disappear outside of the country, they’re disappearing for a reason. And white slavery and sex trafficking is so alive and well, it would absolutely blow you away. We believe with every fiber in our being that someone took her and we want her back. And I have tried to make deals with God. If we find her today, you can take me tomorrow. When they say the worst nightmare, it is. It’s the worst nightmare.” Dr. Phil comforts Iva, and asks, “Do you believe she’s alive?” “I do believe she’s alive,” Iva replies. Dr. Phil thanks David Carmichael for coming. “You saw her on the beach. Are you convinced it was her?” “One hundred percent. Without a doubt,” he replies. Before moving on, Dr. Phil shares one of Ty’s video diary entries. Ty says, “We’re at Le Mirage, outside 10 acres of nothing but flesh for sale. It’s got a 20-foot wall around it and steel gates. There are women who are from all over. There were women who were using the phone that had security standing over them. They’re listening to every word that the girls were saying. That smacks of control. Prisoners. There’s hundreds of girls in there. It’s just a haven for flesh.” Ty filed this entry from one of Aruba’s neighboring islands, Curacao, which is where Amy Bradley disappeared seven years ago. Iva and Ron received a picture via e-mail from a sender who wishes to remain anonymous. Dr. Phil says, “I want to show you this picture of who may very well be Amy Bradley seven years after her disappearance. Now I want to emphasize that we discussed whether we should show this picture on the air with former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt who has worked on many kidnapping cases. Now, Ron and Clint both agree that because this is the first lead that they’ve had in nearly eight years, he and Iva would like to show this picture in case this young woman is indeed Amy. Now, we have had top forensic artist experts in the country look at these pictures, and they say that it is possible that it could be Amy.

    77. Carpe Noctem on December 26th, 2007 3:50 am
    78. 10061906 on December 26th, 2007 1:36 pm

      richard 65
      Unless it was a ground floor room with patio opening to the beach like Natalee.
      They could have put her in the wrong room.
      Unless these doors have a bar on the bottom; one can access these locked patio doors merely by lifting them and push hard in the direction that they open. They will open every time.
      That is why my patio door has a lock where the two doors meet.

    79. Richard on December 26th, 2007 3:42 pm

      Deb (#76) … Thanks for posting that. Most people on this site seem to think that I’m out in the Twilight Zone for suggesting that Natalee Holloway may have been taken off Aruba alive.

      I’m not claiming to have evidence … but there’s been nothing found yet. I’m not abandoning the idea until it is disproven … which, of course, is not evidence for its being true.

      As the excerpt that you posted says, how DID the band leader know that Amy was missing before the information was made public?

      But I don’t want to go on about this now ….

      10061096 (#78) … I guess this is also possible. But the question is, who are “they”?

      I hope the media don’t just let this case drop out of sight. Seems very odd to me that while Aruba’s finest (that’s a joke, of course) were out looking in all the sleazy places (which is just where they took Beth and Dave), they apparently didn’t think to search in the hotel.

      I wonder if this girl was sharing a room with somebody else? Maybe whoever took her back to her room was scared about possibly being seen with her?

      A mere confusion of rooms seems unlikely to me.
      But if it DOES prove to be the case … this shows you how secure a hotel room in Aruba is.

      In other words, not very.

      Boycott Aruba … it’s only common sense.

    80. deb on December 26th, 2007 3:51 pm

      Hello, richard. i guess that means if no one is seen on videos going into door, this may have been what happened. i hope we can find out someway. Michelle has some people looking into this or maybe can speak with the family deb

    81. brie on December 26th, 2007 7:01 pm

      Well, we’re back on the road again:

      Hang down your head Urine
      Hang down your head and cry
      Hang down your head you pervert
      Some day your going to die
      Your piece of s@@it
      And you’ve known it all along
      But Daddy let’s you do this
      Knowing that’s it’s wrong

    82. Richard on December 26th, 2007 7:03 pm

      I too hope that we find out more about what happened. It may well be that we are reading more into this than is actually there … but based on our experience, nothing in Aruba is what it seems. Except the slimyness and dishonesty.

      Moreover, is it possible that some people might have been encouraged by Natalee’s case to think that crimes against tourists can be committed with impunity? I still don’t understand why the hotel wasn’t searched to begin with, or why the hotel staff weren’t told to keep their eyes open (assuming that they weren’t).

    83. JusticeforNatalee on December 26th, 2007 7:22 pm

      Gabriel Leo,

      Make sure you read response 38. It is spot on.

    84. JusticeforNatalee on December 26th, 2007 7:29 pm

      Gabriel Leo,

      The reprimands/punishments should go to the bartenders and establishment owners, who care more about making money from pushing booze than caring about the welfare of their customers.

      Why are they promoting excessive drinking and pouring drinks down patrons’ throats?

      Why no responsibility on the part of the bartenders?

    85. bleachedblack on December 26th, 2007 8:50 pm

      #38
      Sorry , your post has me confused. The rooms above the ground floor all have sliding doors but they are 2-7 floors up and the balcony not easily accessed. Entry would have been through the inside door.

    86. Observer on December 27th, 2007 4:32 am

      Another article in todays Awemainta Newspaper with a picture of Jose Tromp on it. Its all in Papi :(

      http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=awemainta5bq4.jpg

    87. A Critic on December 27th, 2007 8:28 am

      Lovely to see that you guys have to eat humble pie for a change…

      Serves you right for jumping to conclusions so quickly!

      She was just another American girl enjoying being in Aruba!
      ____________
      SM: The story of this case is the fact that the family’s first thought was that Aruba was going to do to them what they did to the Holloway’s & Twitty’s. That was no one on this board who did it.

      That my friend is the legacy of Aruba. Live with it.

      This is the reason why people do not go there … they do not trust the officials if Heaven forbid “something bad happens.”

      Aruba will never rid itself of what happened to Natalee Holloway and the corrupt investigation and cover up then ensued.

      That is the legacy of Aruba … no trust is the system and cronyism.
      R

    88. deb on December 27th, 2007 11:46 am

      can someone translate the article mentioned in comment 86 or who Trump is?? thanks deb

    89. da_wench on December 27th, 2007 2:11 pm

      Patti, the Greek criminal you speak of may look beautiful on the outside, but it sounds like he’s a real beast inside. You got lucky. My sister got real lucky last year too. She was at a bar in downtown Denver waiting for some friends and some guy kept staring at her. She stepped out for a smoke and came back in and the guy was suddenly in the seat next to hers. He struck up a conversation with her and she felt like he was a creep so she waited for her friends outside. They were going to an office Christmas party and she ended up passing out in the middle of dinner. They took her to the hospital and sure enough, she had been given GHB.

      It’s not safe anywhere, but it’s even more dangerous to be in a country where law enforcement does not actually enforce the law.

      I’ll bet Joyce and her family don’t go to Aruba again.

    90. Observer on December 27th, 2007 6:15 pm

      #88

      I believe that article in Todays Awemainta was commenting on missing people in Aruba.It mentioned Natalee,Judith Martinez who went missing and Jose Tromp who also vanished.

    91. deb on December 28th, 2007 12:55 am

      thanks, Observer. i still dont have any answers if SM or anyone is trying to followup on what happened with girl last weekend in aruba.

    92. A Critic on December 28th, 2007 8:47 am

      #87 Well R, people obviously still go to Aruba, because this girl did….so much for the “legacy”…

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    94. Dolf on January 4th, 2008 6:49 am

      YOU take the drink not the bartender

      NOBODY makes you drink more then you want to
      ________
      SM: There are things called serving laws.

      No one makes people take drugs either, yet they are illegal. At least most everywhere.

      Responsibility is a two way street … on the part of the server and drinker.
      R

    95. mr.perez on August 3rd, 2008 6:31 pm

      last year the family wanted to take me on a vaction to the caribeanean will since i am the patiarch of the whole family i voted it, well to make it short i presented my exicutive nephew with the amy bradley case facts and the amy hollway case file,well we went to hawaii instead and i found out for all 14 of us it cost over 13 thousand and 843 dollars not counting the over 3thousand i spent well we had a great time and didnt have to worry about all my female relitives being victims to the carribean animal bunch, well it didnt end there to former bussiness assocates went to hawaii too because after i told them to look it up themselves decided not to put their daugters at risk with that lawless bunch ,to any person wanting to go there with wife and family please read for yourselfs about all that happened to those young women and think about that, your vaction well be more of a strain than it could ever be worth to your family. i hope those animals make a living picking seashells for they will never be known as a safe vaction paradise again for anyone but evil types.

    96. Angelica on January 14th, 2010 4:17 pm

      I need to talk with Melissa who posted #39:

      Melissa on December 24th, 2007 10:52 am

      “When I read Banana Bus I thought of the Banana Bus driver Albert who preys on female American tourists for presents and trips to the US.”

      I want Melissa to know that I had the same experience with Albert Washington the Banana Bus Driver.

      We need to get together and stop these “SCAM ARTIST” in Aruba.

    97. Ramona Meissner on April 27th, 2010 10:35 pm

      i want talk about albert to know more about him

    98. Angelica on June 30th, 2010 11:50 am

      Ramona,

      How can I get in touch with you? Please leave email or phone number. I have a lot of information you and everyone else needs to know about Albert Washington the Banana Bus Driver.

      I was just told last night that he is currently in the US visiting his “NEW GERMAN-AMERICAN GIRLFRIEND”

      I certainly hope you are not the victim this time! Please BEWARE!

    99. gene on September 5th, 2010 4:53 pm

      dont talk such sh*t ladies! i’ve known albert for years now and he’s one of the good guys. yes he likes the women visiting aruba and yes he entertains them…well it’s his job isn’t it? and if any woman offers him to visit her wherever well i guess that’s her choice right? so please stop discrediting people you don’t know nothing about

    100. Angelica on November 18th, 2010 12:21 am

      Gene, thanks for commenting, but you are a guy, so how would you know about the way Albert plays the women? We now have a network of 7 women who have had the same horrible experience with Albert Washington, the Banana Bus Driver. All of us have heard the same story, so we know how he operates! He comes on with this poor pitiful me story, he tells you he has no women friends because he is black, he tells you that no one trust him since the Natalee Holloway Story. He makes you feel sorry for him. He LIES about everything, such as his age, his trips to the US, his financial status and his children. We all will admit that Albert is entertaining, fun, charming, etc. and yes that is part of his job. BUT He preys on vunerable women who are in Aruba to have a good time and may have their guard down! Thanks to computers and the internet and blogs such as this, ALBERT has been exposed and we hope to put an end to his games and con-man scam artist ways! Geeze, Gene for all we know, you could be Albert posting and trying to save your own A**!

    101. Sophie on February 23rd, 2011 4:26 pm

      I know Albert very well, I had the same experience…

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