RSSChaos at Aruban Airport … I Thought They Knew how to Deal with Tourism in Aruba?
What isn’t chaos when it comes to Aruba? Missing persons, murder investigations and crowds at the airport … they all begin to look the same. Just another example that tourists come second in Aruba.
All we ever hear is that Aruba is supposed to be the #1 location spot in the Caribbean to go. That they treat tourists well. Really? At least that is what he hear from those that are responsible for marketing Aruba’s tourism; however, are they really? They can’t even seem to handle matters at the airport. Understaffed? Aruba has an excuse for everything. With the airport is under-staffing. With their decline of tourism it was hotel rooms being renovated and the high price of fuel. With the Natalee Holloway investigation it was blame on the media and the family. Take some responsibility folks … you have no one to blame but yourselves.
Are these people capable of handling anything? Its not like they do not know in advance or have a very good idea what the volume is going to be like. I guess the blame falls on the tourists here as well. Exactly how is it that in what is presumed to be the busiest time of the year one allows their staff to be on vacation? Aruba acts like its new to this tourist thing.
Due to the immigration department being understaffed, the travelers were forced to queue up outside the terminal.
They are very worried about the coming weekends, especially the Christmas and New Year ones that traditionally are the busiest periods at the airport.
Chaos at the airport
ORANJESTAD – The enormous flood of passengers in the airport’s departure hall for American destinations caused chaotic situations last Saturday. Due to the immigration department being understaffed, the travelers were forced to queue up outside the terminal. According to reports, some of the employees are on vacation and are not allowed to claim overtime. The personnel of the airline companies and handling services did their utmost to get the passengers at the gates on time. They are very worried about the coming weekends, especially the Christmas and New Year ones that traditionally are the busiest periods at the airport. (Amigoe 12/10/07)
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Well, so far I have only received a response from Yoyo (the second rate attorney or failed judge) from the list of AHATA shills. Yoyo couldn’t answer the questions and just attempted to divert attention away from Paulus Van Der Sloot. Let’s try again….please, Aruban/Joran apologists or AHATA shills, answer the questions:
Can you help explain why the KLPD and ALE have refused to develop a timeline for Paulus Van Der Sloot for the night of Natalee’s murder?
Can you explain why search warrants for Paulus Van Der Sloot’s home and property were amended on site? What was the rationale for not searching the WHOLE premises?
Can you explain why Karin Janssen, a close friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s, provided Paulus Van Der Sloot with a letter stating he was no longer a suspect in the case while not providing a similar letter to the two black guys that Paulus and his spawn tried to frame?
Can you explain why there is no record of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s witness statements – despite media reporting at the time (June 15-16, 2005) stating that he was brought in and questioned as a witness — not a suspect? Where have these witness statements gone?
Can you explain why the courts double layered the ‘legal onion’ for Paulus by stating that he was 1) no longer a suspect, and 2) awarded him $30,000?
Can you explain why no one in Aruba will positively identify who the gentleman is sitting at “third base” at the blackjack table hitting on Natalee Holloway? Come on…a cook from a local restaurant???? Make me laugh Aruba!
Can you explain what Paulus was doing at 4:00am on the night of Natalee’s murder?
Can you explain why Paulus changed his story to 11:00pm the prior evening that he was out on the town?
Can you explain who leaked the aerial photo of the furniture truck making a delivery to the Van Der Sloot residence just weeks after Natalee’s murder?
Can you explain where the mattress from the Van Der Sloot’s home is currently? Can you explain why all ‘blood evidence’ needed to be sent to Holland for analysis….but the blood soaked mattress was not (within hours they declared the blood “dog blood” and discarded it as evidence). What a Dutch joke that is!
Could you explain why Judge Smid, a friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s who STAYS AT THE VDS HOME WHEN HE VISITS FROM CURACAO, was allowed to rule on any orders from this case? Can you help us with the definition of ‘Conflict of Interest’ in the Dutch legal system.
I could go on and on. For ANYONE to claim there is a lack of evidence is a joke…period. There was no attempt to obtain evidence and when there was….the evidence disappeared.
Paulus Van Der Sloot is your perp. Aruba has done everything to protect him. While MOS will close the case against the boys….I know that this case was never “opened” as Paulus Van Der Sloot was always covered for throughout the case by his buddies in Law Enforcement, the Prosecutors, and the Court System. The conflicts of interest are way too overwhelming to ignore and the consistent actions to make sure the case got covered-up are beyond obvious.
Shame on Aruba. And big time shame on the Dutch for playing along with the program. Corruption Rules in the KLPD as well as Aruba!
MD
Holland can do nothing about Aruban internal affairs unless asked by Aruba.
Holland could denounce Aruba for its corrupt actions.
Of course as we have seen this past week they don’t even seem to have the backbone to do that.
I just can’t see why anyone would want to ever go there again after this.
Tuesday, December 11, 2007
NATALEE HOLLOWAY – IT’S CONFIRMED
****TODAY AT 5:36 PM EST ONE OF MY MANY SOURCES CONFIRMS TO ME THAT THE PERSON SEEN ON THE EXCELSIOR CASINO VIDEO IS IN FACT PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT****
- ALSO CONFIRMED -
AT THE PARTY AT THE VAN DER SLOOT HOME WHEN JORAN VAN DER SLOOT WAS RELEASED FROM HIS ORIGINAL DETENTION WAS JAN VAN DER STRAATEN
http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/
http://tinyurl.com/ywofkh
-j4n
Minnesota Dad,
Here’s a couple more that need answers:
Superior Court
January, 2007
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
Why did jan van der straaten offer to send joran to a mental institution in Holland?
From Joran’s own book.
Maybe someone at the airport was passing out “Boycott Aruba” flyers?
Anyway, the more we push the boycott, the fewer the people there will be to burden Aruban infrastructure.
BTW, I realized something about one of the earlier threads … Joran put great emphasis on saying that while he was in prison, he said not one word.
Why is this so important? Does anyone suspect that maybe he’s trying to send someone a signal that secrets are still secret?
If so, to whom could the message have been intended? No need to be so elliptical with his father or the Kalpoes ….
Perhaps it’s meant for some drug lord off the island?
“….busiest time of the year one allows their staff to be on vacation…”
Is anyone surprised? Aruba’s PROSECUTORS took VACATIONS at CRUCIAL MOMENTS in Natalee’s case.
NEWS FLASH….PRESS RELEASE
Aruba throws out “One Happy Island” ad campaign in order to develop a new campaign to attract more women to the island.
“We really needed to create a campaign that got right down to what a vacation in Aruba is all about,” stated Nelson Odubar. “With the substantial amount of crime and corruption on our island and the dangerous conditions for female tourists, no one was buying the ‘One Happy Island’ BS anymore. Female tourists that seek out adventure and a possible sexual assault should be lured through this ad campaign.”
The Aruban Tourism Board released the first video ad on Wednesday and promise more to come. With tourism in the hole, this is the Hail Mary to attempt to bring it back. The ad can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1SIgxjYwMI
—note – this post is satire for those in Aruba who can’t handle the truth. MD
Richard: the burden on the Aruban airport are the people trying to get OUT of Aruba, not people coming in. I’m sure they are short staffed because there aren’t many coming in.
Joran’s message is probably to the Gottboes boys who probably are the ones supplying the boat to dump her body.
So, it is confirmed that Paulus is the one in the picture….we have Joran on one side of table and Paulus at the other end and girls in between them. If you notice Natalee is trying not to sit close to Paulus and in another picture you can see when she is making a motion to draw away from him. He did something to offend her. Either by actions or words or both. Which means he had prior contact with Natalee. Now we can head towards premediated. Let’s have a full timeline investigation on Paulus.
Minnesotadad
Can you explain why no one in Aruba will positively identify who the gentleman is sitting at “third base” at the blackjack table hitting on Natalee Holloway? Come on…a cook from a local restaurant???? Make me laugh Aruba!
Reply:
My email to Art Wood and the reply. That person has not been positively identified.
It could be Paulus but not confirmed. Could be a cook Not Confirmed.
(My Comment)Non Committal Yes
However; no one has explained the person in the pit area next to the dealer that slipped a piece of paper to the man on third in the casino video.
Play it back frame by frame and you will see him reach in his pocket and place something on the table.
“Of all the “evidence” collected that may have been useful, in my opinion was discarded.
A copy of Natalee’s dental records could have been compared to the pieces of foam with the imbedded teeth marks. Saliva on the foam could have been compared to Beth’s DNA sample. At least the dead cells could determine the sex. What happened to that along with the bottle with the unknown liquid, the VCB shirt that was never checked for DNA nor the sport sun glasses like Geoff wears. The body oil, perhaps hair and dead skin cells from the glasses/shirt could have been checked and DNA analysis could have been compared with Geoff’s. If not enough for DNA again, at least the cells could be checked for being either male or female. XX vs XY
Biology 101.
Maybe that is why Geoff almost crapped his pants when he saw the Beach Security while walking with that female tourist when Natalee’s name was mentioned.”
My opinion about the searches. Nothing happened there. Enough emphasis is placed on the Sloot property much like a magician’s miss direction. Say it enough times play on it and people will believe it happened there.
As an aside: The Video Ads for come back to Aruba; they have diminished since the Valley Forge Travel Show.
After Oderber paid off himself and his staff the Florins have been very tight.
I was just reading that the boat headed to Aruba to search for Natalee has been held up due to the tropical storm moving through the area of Aruba. It should arrive on Saturday. Just a thought, maybe that’s a good thing. Maybe the heavens are “stirring” everything up to show what has been sitting on the ocean floor for 2.5 years. Maybe that’s a silly idea but when is the last time we have heard of a tropical storm two weeks after hurricane season was over?
Maybe they didn’t go to the Sloot house that night…maybe it was a hotel room ….there she died and they threw her in the Marriott basin. It probably wouldn’t be hard to find a large plastic bag at the hotel or maybe they used a waterproof mattress cover to put her in. And then dumped her in the sea.
What about the private homes on top of the hill surrounded by barbed wire, helicopter landing pads and no one is allowed to go there? They can fly those helicopters off and on that island all the time and no one is allowed to investigate what’s coming or going.
Since Joran told Natalee he was a foreign exchange student staying at the HI…maybe he told he was headed back there and knew of a party and invited her to join. She though she could catch up with her friends there.
If there is a tropical storm headed for Aruba that will breed even more mosquitoes..they like rain water.
That’s quite the video, MD.
De Telegraaph reported that Joran and the Kalpoes have drugged and raped many times before. (per OM)
Aruban Leila writes about date rape/C and C’s:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/LeilaCnCspickupspot.jpg
Justice for Natalee,
Where did the OM confirm this?
10061906,
Don’t forget Oduber probably got the bill from Tacopina also.
NG Traveler Rips Aruba:
“in serious trouble”
“traffic congestion”
“tacky downtown”
“little aesthetic appeal”
“no ‘there’ there”
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/traveler/features/islandsrated0711/islands_caribbean.html
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1153.html
Parents of young travelers should be aware that the legal drinking age of 18 is not always rigorously enforced in Aruba, so extra parental supervision may be appropriate. Young female travelers in particular are urged to take the same precautions they would when going out in the United States, e.g. to travel in pairs or in groups if they choose frequenting Aruba’s nightclubs and bars, and if they opt to consume alcohol, to do so responsibly.
Anyone who is a victim of a crime should make a report to Aruban police as well as report it immediately to the nearest U.S. consular office. Do not rely on hotel/restaurant/tour company management to make the report for you.
Does anyone know how long this has been on the website? I am curious is if was placed after Natalee’s disappearance?
!
1906- you got that right, havent seen any…
#19- good one justice…ths place is going to hell in a hand basket…Ill bet URINE was taken off the Island immediatly so someone didnt off him. Alot of ppl want to smack the smirk off his face. Cant wait till God does…
So, has anyone noticed….
You start exposing Paulus Van Der Sloot and the AHATA/Joran shills just completely disappear. They want the focus on J2K as they know that in two to three weeks they get their get out of jail free card from Aruba (Let’s start a betting pool on which low news day they will choose to release the predators – Xmas eve, Xmas day, New Year’s Eve, New Year’s Day).
“Your own father, unbelievable.”
I can see them all hanging out right now in the crisis management room of some Public Relations firm trying to strategize how they post on this board to get the attention off of Paulus and back onto J2K!
Yoyo was pretty humorous with his attempt yesterday. He still hasn’t answered the questions!
MD
Hang down your head, Paulus Dooley!
http://tinyurl.com/39s2v4
Miss U (#20) … That was on the State Department Web site at least two years ago, I believe. I THINK I remember seeing it there while I was doing research … but might be wrong.
10061096 (#11) … Thanks for pointing that out.
Whatever our theories on what happened to Natalee, we all can, and all MUST (I think) work together to promote the boycott.
No justice for Natalee…no tourists for Aruba.
I think maybe things are turned around…the girls probably entered the casino first, then Joran sat down next to them and then Paulus. It’s shows Natalee entering the casino by herself. I don’t think sooooooooooooooooooo! I understand Posner also meet Natalee…how many hotel and casino owners meet their guests.
Somebody..but somebody needs to break this case wide open…like our FBI
Helicopter pads and who could see what they’re doing. They’re on top of the mountain and no one is permitted to go there. Says who???? I wonder how close you can get or far you see far you can visibly see. Brick walls and barbed wire..so what’s so valuable, I sure it isn’t original oil paintings.
Maybe even The New York Times is wising up. Just saw an article from their travel section … 47 places to go in 2008 … and the hell-hole of Aruba is not mentioned.
Richard #6
IF Natalee is being held somewhere (and that’s a sizable IF) this could have been the all clear sign that nothing has been disclosed. Joran doesn’t want to put himself or others in danger, but they already are because they know too much and have become a liability.
Exactly, Brie. We do know that Natalee left Carlos ‘n’ Charlies with J2K … and that’s where things run cold, except we know that we have gotten nonstop lies from them and others.
I also am still wondering why it is that the car stopped at a nearby bar, within eyeshot of Natalee’s cousin who was watching.
Deepak Kalpoe got out of the car, ran into that bar, and very quickly came back out. Then they drove away.
What reason did they have to linger in the area of Carlos ‘n’ Charlies? Since they couldn’t be certain what the Mountain Brook kids would do, or if police might have been in the area (though whether THAT would benefit anyone remains to be seen), what possible reason could there be for them to stay there and increase the chances that someone would rush after them and demand that Natalee be let go?
My guess … he ran in to wave a hand, or give some other signal to someone that “We’ve got a girl,” or, perhaps, “We’ve got THE girl.”
We do know that a witness reported seeing Deepak’s car going down some country road, followed by another car being driven erratically.
What this might mean is anyone’s guess.
#26…statement correction…I wonder how close you can get or how far you can visibly see.
They’re protecting the boys so you can’t get close to Paulus….gee I wonder who would have an interest in doing that….!
Wouldn’t it be lovely if what New Zealand is doing in re Zimbabwe were followed by similar actions of the U.S. towards Aruba:
New Zealand extends Zimbabwe travel ban, again condemns Mugabe regime
AP – Wednesday, December 12WELLINGTON, New Zealand – New Zealand imposed extra travel sanctions against Zimbabwe on Wednesday while continuing its condemnation of President Robert Mugabe’s regime and its suppression of dissent.
New Zealand Foreign Minister Winston Peters said an existing travel ban had been extended to block adult children of Mugabe’s associates from gaining student visas and permits for entry to New Zealand.
Australia and the U.S. recently imposed similar restrictions.
Wellington had already imposed targeted sanctions against Zimbabwe’s leadership _ including barring them from traveling to the country and using New Zealand banks. New Zealand has little trade with the African nation.
Western nations and rights groups accuse Mugabe of widespread human rights violations and wrecking his country’s economy, forcing many Zimbabweans into poverty.
“Mugabe’s government is continuing to violently suppress political opposition and it is driving the country toward economic ruin,” Peters said in a statement.
Denying student visas was designed to put extra pressure on senior members of the regime to change their policies and start helping their own people, he said.
“It is wrong that amid the chaos and suffering they have imposed, the regime’s leaders are able to send their children abroad to study so they can escape such conditions,” he added.
Immigration Minister Clayton Cosgrove said Immigration officials had not identified any Zimbabwean passport holders currently in New Zealand on student permits who appeared related to anyone on the banned list.
New Zealand continues to give refugees fleeing oppression in Zimbabwe special permission to apply for permanent residency without first meeting stiff immigration requirements.
“At this time tomorrow
Where do you reckon I’ll be?
Away down yonder in the holler
Hangin’ on a divi divi tree”
“Hang your head you pervert
Hang your head and cry
You killed poor Natalee Holloway
And you know you bound to die”
“Trouble, oh it’s trouble
A-rollin’ through my breast
As long as I’m a livin’ boys,
They ain’t a-gonna let me rest
“The cowboys are a comin’
I don’t know where to hide
They’re going to the body
And I am going to die”
Not all this to protect Joran, not all the money spent on the tacopina goons for joran. No private money to pay defending the van der sloots, it’s higher than that, a public budget.
Paulus van der sloot worked for Nelson Oduber and Rudy Croes. That’s what this is about, not protecting Joran.
Miss U – At the bottom of the State Dept Consular Information Sheet is the following statement -
“This replaces the Consular Information Sheet dated October 3, 2006 to update Exit/Entry, Important New Information and Crime sections”.
So yes, apparently it was updated after Natalee’s disappearance and after October 3, 2006. I still believe the State Dept should take a firmer stance against Aruba. IT should prohibit travel to Aruba, just like our gov’t has prohibited travel to Cuba for years. Aruba, Venezula, and Cuba are all one in the same.
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
So why do they need to protect Oduber and Rudy Croes? Same argument as I’ve been saying all along ….
Of course, Oduber was out of the country on the morning Natalee vanished, wasn’t he?
Whatever this direction might be going, I think it is safe to assume Paulus is behind it. He’s a lawyer and has probably done many favors. The drug lords dictate what’s going to happen. The Chicago videos could well represent Natalee. I think Carpe has done a great deal on this. But there still might be another theory. or an addition to what happened. I had not heard about the helicopter landing pads until recently. That represents a quick on and off. And without anyone being allowed to investigate. So tell me, who is in control!!!
And Joran brags about acquring a large sum of money the following day..I find that strange..!!! Also he lied about the fact that he was at the Wyndham…that never happened.
A human life means nothing to a drug lord whether it be death or abduction.
Don’t you just smell a really big RAT!
Minnesota Dad #8 ,, that is one of the most sobering posts and spot on..satirical too, I love it.
Nelson Oduber and Rudy Croes directing a cover up of this murder, when exposed, makes their reign come to an end.
That’s what they are protecting. And everyone that Oduber and Croes help, money people, would lose their allies.
That’s what they are protecting. Natalee was a victim of screwed up savages. Paulus called in favors and made everyone culpable. Now they have to stick together or the Oduber reign is over.
…Richard…we are not sure if they went around the block several times.. it’s only what we’ve have told..maybe by liars…I think Deepak told us that…tell me why does he have a sex mobile…two video cameras..tell me your not a pervert..tell me why you don’t arrest Freddy, the porno freak on the island and a personal friend of the Sloot’s. It’s all so sick..and to think Joran has done this 20 times before. But this time was different because Paulus got involved. Anita acts like she doesn’t have a clue…or does she..consider what she has at stake…a real good reason to cover-up and lie.
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Helicopters are on my mind now..alive or dead!!!!
..#43…what the hell was that””’!
#1 MD – You are looking for explanations that would call out the people on top of the hill. That’s why they are so hard to come by! I believe this all goes above and beyond Paulus. Natalee met Posner? Beth wanted to search the homes atop the hill that were behind walls and barbed wire? These homes have helicopter pads where comings and goings are not monitored?
Too bad someone can’t infiltrate that den of snakes and find out what they are really up to. In the good old days the CIA would have been up to the task but nowadays I’m not so sure!! I have thought all along that there is more to this case than meets the eye. On the surface it looks like Paulus called in favors to get his perverted freak of an offspring off the hook (what a waste of favors!!). In fact Beth alluded to this one time on TV..after he had been released the second time I think.
In order to get these favors, Paulus must have something pretty big on the lot that run the island, and who really want this case to go away.
It is possible a lot of this will come out when Beth and Dave decide to speak. If it had been me I would have spent all all the money I could on very thorough private investigation of these b——-ds, right from the Prime Minister and down the snake trail. They deserve to be fully exposed.
I don’t know why our State Dept did not do more…what’s the Netherlands to us???
Meanwhile BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS
Theres lines everywhere during the holidays.tell us something we dont know.just this proves there are a ton of tourist going to aruba despite your failed boycott.
gary
Theres lines everywhere during the holidays.tell us something we dont know.just this proves there are a ton of tourist going to aruba despite your failed boycott.
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only a fool such as yourself would waste his time in Aruba.
Yes #41
It’s my opinion from the beginning.
I postet long time ago under “Maria”
One hand washes the other high up, they can’t talk otherweise the whole island would shake and rock…..
I hope the day will come and the guilty ones will “hang”….
They might have power, at least they think so………yes, in Aruba, but…..there is always “Higher power”
Shocking Crimes on E Natalee…
Minesta Dad, you are the best!
#48
Whom do you think you are kidding?
Rudy Croes even admitted (whined actually) that tourism was
DOWN DOWN DOWN!
1. How do you know this? Link to source please. I am assuming you haven’t seen the mountain-sized case file so how could you possibly know.
2. They did.
3. Link to source saying KJ is a “close friend”. Did the 2 security guards ask? Oh that’s right, you wouldn’t know that would you. There I answered for you – “I don’t know”.
4. How do you know there isn’t a record. How could you possibly know they are missing when you haven’t seen the file.
5. ’cause he didn’t do anything and in the courts opinion shouldn’t have been detained.
6. Just ’cause they haven’t let YOU know doesn’t mean it’s him. What in that video snippet indicates that that person was hitting on her? Talk about make me laugh.
7. Sleeping
8. Link to source please.
9. Another silly question. I don’t know, lets see, maybe one of the 100′s of media rented a chopper to take video to air on tv that day(or for stock video).
10. On a bedframe maybe – where do you keep yours? Link to source for the rest.
11. Link to source that he is a friend who blahblahblah.
Why are you asking for answers to rumors propagated on the internet? Let me guess – all your sources and links will be from Jossy, National Enquirer, Globe, etc…
How can you possibly state things a facts when you haven’t seen 5% of the file?
Tell me Mn Dad – out of 200+ witness statements/pv’s, how many have you personally seen? And how many have you personally translated to english so you know the translation is correct?
People are tired of dealing with rumors stated as facts. “Aruban/Joran apologists or AHATA shills”…aka “anybody that doesn’t believe what I do”. You are a warped individual.
#43…..You Are Rude…………
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS…THEY ARE NOT WANTING TO FIND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE…!!!!!!!!
??? I cant explain all the aaa’s ??? It was supose to say is the search ship in aruba yet
In My OPINION any American who vacations in aruba is as big a peice of SCUM as the preps that attacked Natalee and can expect no sympathy from me if they become a crime victim on that island. They have been warned of the Dangers. Their presents is their seal of approval on such conduct.
#….#57 pathetic..!
Nice try Yoyo…do your research I am not going to do it for you.
Is this the best you could do?
Try again buddy and answer the questions next time….md
On a clear day you can see forever!!!
When they find her… I believe there’s
a good chance they will!
Puh-leeze turn that ship around and get the F out!
Next thing you know the A.L.E. will ship it off
to the black worm hole in Holland. If an Aruban wants to look at it, I’d have armed guards over her.
When we get her back where she belongs. I hope
Air Force drops a two megaton tessie JDAM on
that a$$.
May the shockwaves knock the almighty f’n lizard farts out of anything left on the island.
-Merry Christmas!
-jrn
The lines at the airport are ppl trying to get off the VILE EVIL PLACE…Not get in stupid…and there is not that many, its only cause LIERUBA layed off so many workers cause there is no tourists that there was a line to begin with.hahahahahahahahah
HERE is OUR contact at the STATE TRAVEL AGENCY..call PLEASE…DREW HALDANE 202-736-4996 and his ASSistant…Ken Durkin-202-647-5113-FAX-202-647-3732 CALL OR FAX PPL…
MN Dad,
Don’t forget Paulis’s 40 yard dash away from reporters and his sweatfest during his meeting with Beth.
My bet is alot of the Pro Aruba group either own timeshares there or may be travel agents.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense has to know it stinks the high heaven down there.
@#47 I don’t know why our State Dept did not do more…what’s the Netherlands to us???
Meanwhile BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS
not much, loyal allie since the decl. of indepence, third foreign investor.
Brie (#42) … It was Natalee’s cousin who was watching Deepak’s car. He saw it stop, Deepak get out and go into the bar, come out moments later and then drive away.
So I think that much is reliable, coming as it does from an eyewitness.
No need to repeat what I said above … this makes no sense to me unless it was to give the signal to someone. If he wanted something like GHB or Rohypnol, to drug Natalee (most of us believe she was drugged in C&Cs), he would have procured it beforehand.
Giving a signal is the only reason I can fathom for his quick stop at that bar … and we know what happened to Pitbull, who had been a security guard at that bar.
Kayjay (#47) … You’re saying what I’ve been saying all along.
I’ll ask again: does anyone here think that ONLY INCOMPETENCE is responsible for what has gone on in Aruba? Or do you believe in the cover-up?
The latter, as I do? Fine … then with the damage to Aruba’s economy already, the utter destruction of its reputation, the knowledge that every day this case remains unsolved is another nail in the coffin of Aruba …
The inescapable conclusion, for me at least, is that something very big is being protected. Perhaps few people in Aruba even know how big.
And I don’t think it’s all done for a failed wannabe judge or three punk kids.
Remember, as I said before, when they let Joran out of jail (again), he went to great lengths to tell the world that he didn’t say anything in jail. Didn’t answer questions. Didn’t blab.
Anyone besides me think he was trying to get a message over to somebody else? Someone who might do something unpleasant to him and his family?
Yes, Joran still has that hideous smirk … but I suspect that he and his family are still defecating bricks, as the saying goes.
Natalee was taken off the island alive for sex slavery. Joran, perhaps Paulus, and others on Aruba were involved somehow. And they know what will happen to them if they blab.
And Aruba knows what will happen to ITS economy if the truth ever gets out. That’s my idea.
Richard,
Even if she was sold as a sexslave I think she would be dead now.
If it ever came out that she was sold as a sexslave, US & Dutch special forces would be knocking on the door.
There has been to much media exposure about her.
Richard: IMHO there can be no question there was a cover-up. Incompetent people might mishandle some evidence etc. but no one is stupid enough to allow the last 3 people seen with her walk around without interrogation or without taking pictures of their bodies (document bruises, scrapes, etc.) and searching the car Natalee last rode in.
No one is incompetent enough to do all the dumb things done in this case including attacking the parents of the victim and making evidence totally disappear.
Though I’ll say it again – someone on that island has kept themselves an insurance policy. Sooner or later when there’s no more money coming from van der sloots, it will appear.
Richard,
All I know is that there is someone out there shelling out a boatload of money to Public Relations firms (Steve Cohen, AHATA, etc.), Attorneys (Taco and the Kalpoes’ California guys, Guido’s guy, most of Aruba’s Bar members, etc.).
Unless Paulus has been listed recently as one of Fortune’s wealthiest men on earth….someone else is footing the bill.
I still say Paulus is your perp. The problem is that he has “fixed things” behind the scenes for high up people and he has called in his chips. You cover for me or I will expose all of your asses. I am surprised they just didn’t whack Paulus and have him standing with a noose and his hand in his pocket.
MD
at least we know the boycott is working since they are blaming this on the Natalee Holloway case. they are finally admitting it.
Dolf old boy..if the Netherlands is such “a loyal ally” then tell them to get of their behinds and act like one …WE WANT NATALEE HOME AND THOSE FOUR a——S IN JAIL. BOYCOTT ARUBA AND OUR WONDERFUL ALLY THE NETHERLANDS.
Meanwhile, here’s more info about the Caribbean and its pirates … does this signify something?
LiveScience.com
1 hour, 50 minutes ago
The wreckage of a pirate ship abandoned by Captain Kidd in the 17th century has been found by divers in shallow waters off the Dominican Republic, a research team claims.
The underwater archaeology team, from Indiana University, says they have found the remains of Quedagh Merchant, actively sought by treasure hunters for years.
Charles Beeker of IU said his team has been licensed to study the wreckage and convert the site into an underwater preserve for the public.
It is remarkable that the wreck has remained undiscovered all these years given its location, just 70 feet off the coast of Catalina Island in the Dominican Republic in less than 10 feet of seawater.
“I’ve been on literally thousands of shipwrecks in my career,” Beeker said. “This is one of the first sites I’ve been on where I haven’t seen any looting. We’ve got a shipwreck in crystal clear, pristine water that’s amazingly untouched. We want to keep it that way, so we made the announcement now to ensure the site’s protection from looters.”
The find is valuable because of what it could reveal about William Kidd and piracy in the Caribbean, said John Foster, California’s state underwater archaeologist, who is participating in the research.
Historians differ on whether Kidd was actually a pirate or a privateer — someone who captured pirates. After his conviction of piracy and murder charges in a sensational London trial, he was left to hang over the River Thames for two years.
Historians write that Kidd captured the Quedagh Merchant, loaded with valuable satins and silks, gold, silver and other East Indian merchandise, but left the ship in the Caribbean as he sailed to New York on a less conspicuous sloop to clear his name of the criminal charges.
IU Anthropologist Geoffrey Conrad said the men Kidd entrusted with his ship reportedly looted it and then set it ablaze and adrift down the Rio Dulce. Conrad said the location of the wreckage and the formation and size of the canons, which had been used as ballast, are consistent with historical records of the ship. They also found pieces of several anchors under the cannons.
“All the evidence that we find underwater is consistent with what we know from historical documentation, which is extensive,” Conrad said. “Through rigorous archeological investigations, we will conclusively prove that this is the Capt. Kidd shipwreck.”
The IU team examined the shipwreck at the request of the Dominican Republic’s Oficina Nacional De Patrimonio Cultural Subacuático.
“The site was initially discovered by a local prominent resident of Casa De Campo, who recognized the significance of the numerous cannons and requested the site be properly investigated,” said ONPCS Technical Director Francis Soto. “So, I contacted IU.”
Dolf (#67), you may be right. I’ve also thought that perhaps Natalee was held prisoner, maybe at Lorenzo’s house or at some sleazy motel on the island that served as a safe house for drug lords, and that Beth’s descent upon the island made it too hot for anyone to keep her.
So she was given a forcible fatal dose of heroin, or whatever.
But besides the Amy Bradley case, let’s remember that a Missouri boy, Shawn Hornbeck, was kidnapped and held for FIVE YEARS (if memory serves). During that time, he was seen tossing a football around in the back yard of his “home” with his “father.”
He had periodic Internet access.
At one point, apparently, he was even alone in a police car.
And yet he didn’t do what everyone would think he SHOULD have done. Instead, he remained mute.
No need to go into the whole story … but if Natalee were taken off the island into ‘hostile territory,’ and if she were forcibly addicted to drugs and threatened that one misstep would cause her death … what would she do?
What COULD she do? (Incidentally, Dave Holloway reportedly has said that she is fluent in Spanish.)
We can’t assume that locals would give a damn about her. And by now, 2.5 years later, if she had been forced to bear a child ….
I have no evidence for any of this. All that I can say is, very likely she would be dead. But five years after he vanished, Shawn Hornbeck remained very much alive.
God only knows.
Just one more thing … I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned this before, at least not on a forum.
In the early days of the Natalee case, the family and I were in communication with Clint van Zandt, former FBI agent and now a commentator for NBC.
Not now, not ever, will I disclose what he told the Bradleys. But of the things he told me, I remember clearly one of them.
He said that if he had been the judge in Aruba, he too would have ordered J2K to be released.
His intimation seemed to be that indeed, by the time they got around to arresting them, there was not enough evidence to justify their detention.
That’s not me speaking, that’s Clint van Zandt.
So he SEEMED to be emphasizing sheer incompetence and stupidity on the part of Aruba … while not ruling out the malignant hand of PvdScum.
Naturally, I don’t speak for Mr. van Zandt. But that’s what he told me, and that’s how he seemed to view things.
I believe strongly that a cover-up was then and is now in place. So do we all. The question is: who, when, how many, and exactly why?
It remains murky, and multiple theories are being discussed. I have no hard evidence whatever for my ideas; because of the Amy Bradley case, they seem to me to be plausible.
Let’s hope we get answers from the water search.
Dolf on December 13th, 2007 11:01 am said:
Richard,
Even if she was sold as a sexslave I think she would be dead now.
If it ever came out that she was sold as a sexslave, US & Dutch special forces would be knocking on the door.
There has been to much media exposure about her.
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Not necessarily. Remember Amy Bradley. Richard…I’ve been following your posts for a while now and I agree. It is possible. Myself and a lady I work with do agree that slavery is possible. Have always hoped not but it is possible. Unfortunately.
“In the early days of the Natalee case, the family and I were in communication with Clint van Zandt, former FBI agent and now a commentator for NBC.”
This is the BRADLEY family.
Richard (#66)
I am inclined to agree with you. Paulus was probably in the casino shopping to make the final choice, and then once they had Natalee, they probably had a big send off for her new life (Joran’s vivid description of Natalee’s underware, etc.) The rest their stories are fabication, becasue they know there is no body and nothing they say will ever stick.
The people calling the shots made some miscalculations because they only value women as objects and think of Natalee as “the girl”. They didn’t realize that one mother could be so determined, that the media would become so involved (they weren’t for Amy Bradley), or that Americans would care about “the girl”. They never expected the price to be so high, but they can’t backtrack now.
It is interesting (as I think you have pointed out in the past) that in both Natalee’s and Amy’s cases their are connections to locals and C & C. Amy disappeared from a ship, and Natalee from an island, but no trace has been found of either of them since, and there wouldn’t be if they were in South America or Thailand, etc. No body no crime.
#70 Super Dave: True. But did you know that travelling to the U.S. DROPPED by 17 percent in the last 5 years? The U.S. Travel Industry is worried about this increase. Wonder what the reason is: International travellers are treated like criminals, they are not welcome anymore, barked by U.S. officials, under-staffing border posts. Had U.S. travel remained on course, it would have resulted in $94 billion in economic gains.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/01/31/international.travel/index.html
Let’s identify why Aruba is Famous for being one happy and SAFE island.
Per Dennis Jacobs the head narcotic agent’s own words.
It Drugs Tourists.
It puts something in female tourists’ drinks at Carlos and Charlies.
It can supply puntas for a price. “How much money do you have?”
It has four escort services in Orangestad; both in service and out service.
It has numerous brothels and whore houses in San Nicolas.
It steals tourists’ debit cards and accesses tourists’ bank accounts and steals from them.
It supplies drugs and drug dealers are in abundance.
It drugs tourists; kidnaps them to the desert, rapes and beats the victims and returns them to their hotel; only if the victims promise not to go to the police.
It leaves the victims unconscious on the beach so that they show up in a few days.
It hires a very inept coroner that can’t tell the difference between murder and suicide.
There are beach knifings, drownings and decomposing bodies all over the island.
It happens all the time.
It has a judge wanabee lawyer who does not make enough money to support his family’s life style so he supplements it by money laundering for the casinos.
Gives pimps bad advice that where there is no body then there is no case.
Selects wrong girl for video taping.
It has a video producer named Freddy, from Venezuela, one of the locals:
Joran’s best friend.
Drugs young girls.
Video tapes them nude and in suggestive poses.
Passes porn on to web site owner.
Known to frequent the Lion’s Den.
It has Joran, son of a dutch national;
Lies to female tourists.
Kidnaps female tourists.
Skims the Black Jack table.
Drinks underage
Gambles under age.
Leaves unconscious female tourists on the beach; defenseless.
Threatens female tourists with knives at C and C’s.
It has Guido, species unknown;
Works with Joran to skim casino and allows Joran $100.00 winnings to gained female tourists’ confidence.
Leaves island immediately after Natalee disappears. Hires expensive attorney.
It has Deepak, an immigrant with a green card from Suriname formally Nederlands Guyana or Dutch Guiana.
Drives pimp mobile with taxi cab Globe.
Works at Cybernet Café an internet time rental business, may be owned by his father.
Owns porn web site; supplements income by uploading Freddy’s porn pictures and videos.
Satish, Deepak’s brother also a Surinam immigrant.
Helps his brother clean the car, gets rid of ants and assists in video productions.
That is called a gopher or lackee.
He together with Deepak his brother and Joran pick up girls every weekend and drive them back to their hotels. Drives his brother’s Honda 4 dr Civic sub compact that turns into a friggen’ 15 passenger van when they pick up ALL these girls.
(Sounds more like girl not girls and drugged at least)
It also has Geoff Van Croimvoirt son of a dutch national who works for VCB security agency and is a beach patrol guard.
Helps install hidden cameras in guests’ rooms, enters guests’ rooms and robs them.
As a VCB employee he supplies secure transportation to and from filming productions.
Has a bad habit of slapping potential victims. Occasionally sells drugs.
His father fired Geoff because the police did not get along with him.
His father sells the security business and moves back to Holland.
It hires doctors that get their degrees off the internet
It has an uncontrol outbreak of dengue.
It has a police officer that died of meningitis but family and source were not quarantined.
It has a priest that died in his sleep with tape on his mouth and his hands tied behind his back. Isn’t that the cure for insomniacs and sleepwalkers?
.And up to and including a corrupt cover up all the way to the Governor and the Prime Minister; etc, etc, etc.
To be continued…this is long enough
Shouldn’t Aruba put all this information into its’ Video of “Why not to come back to Aruba!!!!”
This is out today … some group has released the top spring break destinations for students.
Aruba, thank God, is NOWHERE ON THE LIST.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/071213/neth009.html?.v=34
#80 Richard: But did you notice Amsterdam (you know, the capital of The Netherlands) is listed two on this list. We all know Joran will study in Amsterdam too.
Pat in Alabama (#77) … Actually, there have been several apparently reliable sightings of Amy since she disappeared. All of these seem to involve elements of duress … to put it mildly.
Hi all,
Richard, I know you won’t tell what was told to you about the Amy Bradley case, but would love to hear your take on that sometime. I also wanted to say that I am so frustrated with this case. I really thought we might get some answers this time and we got nothing. I feel so bad for her family!
Jenn
Human trafficking is a myth … so they say ….
http://www.nbc15online.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=eb5cbdcf-5725-4a85-8893-4531edec9b79&rss=217
And in re the above article: this is in the United States, where (in theory) everyone has access to legal protection.
Imagine being in the power of the drug lords, in their neighborhood … anyone think an American girl in captivity would get any help?
The Wheather Channel had a documentary on Santa Catalina Island off the coast of California. Because of its’ location I believe they said it was part of Orange County. Any; I’ve been there it is beautiful. Because of its’ year round climate it resembles the Island of Sicily; been there too. From what I have seen of Aruba these two places make Aruba look like the cesspool that it is. Bermuda is not far behind. Been there too.
No there would definitely be no help from druggies! Due to the Amy Bradley case…that’s why I agree with you Richard that slavery is what very possibly happened to Natalee. I have always thought so from the beginning but as much flack as you caught, I just kept my mouth shut. Whether there is evidence or not, no matter what any of those island idiots said, it is possible.
81 FL: O well there goes the neighborhood.
I bet there is a certain amount of uneasiness for parents with daughters that go to the same school as Joran.
I wonder if there was an exodus of girls from the school, when Joran started?
Any missing girls lately in Amesterdam?
darn wireless keyboards WEATHER CHANNEL
minnesota dad on December 13th, 2007 1:39 am:
Nice try Yoyo…do your research I am not going to do it for you.
Is this the best you could do?
Try again buddy and answer the questions next time….md
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I figured all you had was rumors. Thanks for confirming that.
10061906 – and if you like the “desert meets the beach” thing, go to Cabo. I get the impression Aruba is more of an east coast thing – on the west coast Cabo rules.
Looks like a lot of T-storms for Aruba in the coming 13 days. There’s not one day that says sunshine. Just cloudy and rainy. Mosquitoes are going to have a field day.
Rick Smid granted Joran permission to attend school in the Netherlands. What girl would ever been interested in Joran? Can you only imagine bringing him home to meet your parents? Good grief…Charlie Brown!
I read on a post that Joran is getting kicked out of bars in the Netherlands for starting fights! He also got into fights with the Mountain Brook boys in Aruba. The first time he was jail he got a black-eye from one of inmates…someone smaller than Joran..but he managed to wallop a good one!
Joran made the statement to the ALE, you’ll never find that girl….wonder what made him say that. Is she dead and unrecoverable or is she alive and goodness knows where! Seems to me, there have been a great deal of questionable statements made…and then nothing beyond that. Those statements are never pursued and we never get a answer.
Face it Aruba…the drug lords have got ya! And you can’t do anything about it! And God only knows what is yet to come. Now the media knows as well as people all over the world. Initially broad casted by your Aruban authorities. You’ve cried “WOLF” to many times.
Yoyo,
Though Cabo is wonderful (been there three times) and has some great golf courses (especially like the Niklaus course and the Hilton course over by San Jose del Cabo)…it doesn’t do it for me on the west coast. People (tourists are too phoney)and too much United States’ commercialization.
Ixtapa or Puerta Vallarta are much better. I’ll take a Corona with a lime on a PV beach watching the sunset anytime. The golfing isn’t as good, but the feel of actually being out of the United States and in a Mexican village is there (with of course the unfortunate drive by a Sam’s Club on your way from the airport into PV).
MD
Hans you know what you have to do….be a prosecutor with evidence…it’s there…a missing person and no one pursued it for 10 days…duh!..lACK OF EVIDENCE BECAUSE OF ARUBA AUTHORITIES….what does that tell you…it Natalee is not found…then we say abduction…LOUD AND CLEAR!!!!!
You might not have DNA but you certainly have evidence when you connect the dots!!!!
You have evidence that the case was corrupted!! Let’s hear about that!!!!
“Hang your head you Sloot
Hang it loud and clear
Your a piece of S$$t
And you took away our dear”
Remember that Joran said “I’ll laugh if they ever find the girl,” or something very similar.
(Once again, note the depersonalization … it’s only “the girl,” as though she’s a commodity.)
My take on that was … the people to whom I gave/sold her will take good care that she is never found … and Aruba police have no jurisdiction anywhere in South America or elsewhere in the Caribbean.
That’s why he can “laugh.” Note that he doesn’t say they will NEVER find her, only that he will laugh if they do.
More evidence that he is indeed psychopathic?
What can we say about Aruba…Death or Abduction!!!
Travel Advisory…Young American women, a target for the Pimp Club…working for the drug lords!!!!!!
STAY AWAY!
if anyone is interested
JQK
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1617436DyTJ5q6x?searchId=3781757117980215582&rank=3
MN Dad – agreed about Cabo being too “americanized”. Stay at Las Ventanas if you ever go back – still has that old world flair(with the 21st century amenities) and just an incredibly beautiful location on the ocean.
Del Sol ocean course – shot a 115…and still cheated…man was I bad that day.
Joran will kill again, hopefully his parents and then himself, but he will rape and kill again.
Another lie that Joran is actually going to school, he’s not.
He’s living in exile on the Dutch dime. Anita thinks he doesn’t drink or gamble and the only one that says he’s in school is Tacopina.
He is unemployed and not in school.
For those that believe the Aruba PR spin was in full effect from day 1 – that spin came from…Natalee’s Aunt’s PR firm and was spear headed by Natalee’s Aunt.
So there you have it – the Aruba PR campaign, at least in the begining, was waged by Quinn & Co, not ATA/AHTA etc. Just another strange twist:
6/9/05
New York firm Quinn & Co. has dispatched PR staffers to the Caribbean Island of Aruba, where the disappearance of an 18-year-old Alabama student has captivated media.
Q&C won a three-year pact in 2003 to handle PR for the Dutch island, which uses the tagline “where happiness lives.”
Natalee Holloway, a native of Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared while on a five-day graduation trip with her high school class. Island authorities arrested three men today who said they gave Holloway a ride the night she disappeared.
The Aruban government has offered a $20K reward for information about the disappearance and her family has offered up another $30K. A bar Holloway visited that night has also posted a $5K reward.
Carla Caccavale, partner for Q&C, heads the Aruba account and has traveled to the Caribbean with other staff to handle PR for the crisis. She has not yet been reached by O’Dwyer’s.
Seventy-five percent of tourists that travel to the tropical island – which is about the size of Washington, D.C. and known for its white sand beaches – are from the U.S.
Quinn did have an official statement on the disappearance of Holloway (as of June 9):
In response to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the Government of Aruba and the Aruba Tourism Authority pledge their full support and cooperation to Ms. Holloway’s family.
A thorough investigation is has been underway for over a week now with the support of both local and international authorities. Hundreds of concerned Aruban citizens have also joined the national search efforts along with Americans residing on island and tourists. The massive island-wide search is taking place on land and sea. Aruba Search and Rescue Teams, Dutch Marines, and Coast Guard, who have provided helicopters to assist in the search from the air, are aiding efforts.
Everyday approximately 50 to 250 search volunteers including locals, Americans living in Aruba, along with visitors, comb different areas of the island. This comes as a shock to Aruba where crime against tourist is almost non-existent. Aruba is one of the safest islands in the Caribbean and a favorite amongst travelers with a repeat visitor rate of 40%, the highest of any Caribbean destination.
The island extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to Ms. Holloway’s family and friends for a positive outcome.
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Thinks she still believes what she wrote?
Looky who handled all the PR spin in the begining – Quinn & Company. Not ATA/AHTA etc:
New York firm Quinn & Co. has dispatched PR staffers to the Caribbean Island of Aruba, where the disappearance of an 18-year-old Alabama student has captivated media.
Q&C won a three-year pact in 2003 to handle PR for the Dutch island, which uses the tagline “where happiness lives.”
Natalee Holloway, a native of Mountain Brook, Ala., disappeared while on a five-day graduation trip with her high school class. Island authorities arrested three men today who said they gave Holloway a ride the night she disappeared.
The Aruban government has offered a $20K reward for information about the disappearance and her family has offered up another $30K. A bar Holloway visited that night has also posted a $5K reward.
Carla Caccavale, partner for Q&C, heads the Aruba account and has traveled to the Caribbean with other staff to handle PR for the crisis. She has not yet been reached by O’Dwyer’s.
Seventy-five percent of tourists that travel to the tropical island – which is about the size of Washington, D.C. and known for its white sand beaches – are from the U.S.
Quinn did have an official statement on the disappearance of Holloway (as of June 9):
In response to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the Government of Aruba and the Aruba Tourism Authority pledge their full support and cooperation to Ms. Holloway’s family.
A thorough investigation is has been underway for over a week now with the support of both local and international authorities. Hundreds of concerned Aruban citizens have also joined the national search efforts along with Americans residing on island and tourists. The massive island-wide search is taking place on land and sea. Aruba Search and Rescue Teams, Dutch Marines, and Coast Guard, who have provided helicopters to assist in the search from the air, are aiding efforts.
Everyday approximately 50 to 250 search volunteers including locals, Americans living in Aruba, along with visitors, comb different areas of the island. This comes as a shock to Aruba where crime against tourist is almost non-existent. Aruba is one of the safest islands in the Caribbean and a favorite amongst travelers with a repeat visitor rate of 40%, the highest of any Caribbean destination.
The island extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to Ms. Holloway’s family and friends for a positive outcome.
SM get sued by Q & C?
I notice no posts concerning them are allowed.
Interesting…
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SM: No, those posts were going to the spam folder so they got deleted. SM isn’t being sued by anyone (klaasend)
With the exception of the November protest at King of Prussia; I have a tendency to do my own thing and go off on a tangent. I have followed this case since almost day one; but I have to admit there was a time last year for about 100 days that I was not on this earth and access to a computer was limited. I have asked around with out success; so I am going to pose my question here.
I have these pictures of Bailey Anne, Alyse and Stef. I have only limited information of their episode together. I read the limited explanation on the forum concerning the similarities between what happened to them versus Natalee.
Herein lies my problem: what happened? They went back home; Natalee has not.
Could anyone elaborate?
Deetch: Do you know if he still gets his $160.00 monthly allowance and is that enough since Guido can’t help him anymore?
Aruba has Hell to pay. They have set such a bad example to the Kingdom that because of their corruption and crime the other Dutch Islands might not have the opportunity they had to separate status. Thanks! Aruba
Screw Aruba!
It’s always a good laugh
watching the island of savages
trying to act civilized!
What would they do in a national emergency?
They’ve already broken ties with the Red Cross
because they wouldn’t pay them to play at their
festivals and Oduber’s militants are about as
outdated as the military suit he wears…
I guess you could say they’re
a bunch of sitting ducks…
relying on Queen Bea to save them.
.
Queen Bea:
Where the hell are you?
And, oh, by the way:
How is YOUR investigation going?
America has taken a vote and we all agree:
Death to the Arawak Nation!
.
Justice for Natalee
Boycott Aruba!
Yo Yo:
Let’s take it right from the very TOP:
Why did the Prime Minister, Nelson Oduber, make
a public address to his Nation saying that the
recovery of Natalee Holloway’s remains would be
an embarrassment for 97,000 of the islands
inhabitants and would ruin their image of
being a safe and happy island… on the day
after Joran had made a full confession and was
scheduled to lead authorities to her body?
Or did he confess to killing and burying
a Columbian boy two years earlier?
Hmmmmmm….
.
Geeeeee…
Let’s see…
Who is it that rips your heart
out, to offer it to the gods?
If need be you can refer to the
Photo Evaluation Thread of the
Chicago Videos.
.
Arawak!
Richard,
Didn’t Satish supposedly email Joran or ask Deepak early in the morning or the next day “How is the girl?” I have been looking for that comment and have been unable to find it. Of course it could just be more of their fabrications, but if not, why would someone ask “How is the girl?” if he knew she was dead? Perhaps there are some thoughtprints here.
Can anyone confirm that Natalee’s Aunt is involved in Quinn & Co. as Yoyo contends?
YoYo: Who do you think called in the PR company? Are you contending that Q&C just showed up in Aruba out of the goodness of their heart? Or do you think maybe Aruba was far more concerned about their “image” rather than Natalee and rushed Q&C over before Aruba even bothered to arrest the perps?
understand and “sue” probably wasn’t the right word.
anyone have an issue with the following press release?
6/9/05
In response to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the Government of Aruba and the Aruba Tourism Authority pledge their full support and cooperation to Ms. Holloway’s family.
A thorough investigation is has been underway for over a week now with the support of both local and international authorities. Hundreds of concerned Aruban citizens have also joined the national search efforts along with Americans residing on island and tourists. The massive island-wide search is taking place on land and sea. Aruba Search and Rescue Teams, Dutch Marines, and Coast Guard, who have provided helicopters to assist in the search from the air, are aiding efforts.
Everyday approximately 50 to 250 search volunteers including locals, Americans living in Aruba, along with visitors, comb different areas of the island. This comes as a shock to Aruba where crime against tourist is almost non-existent. Aruba is one of the safest islands in the Caribbean and a favorite amongst travelers with a repeat visitor rate of 40%, the highest of any Caribbean destination.
The island extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to Ms. Holloway’s family and friends for a positive outcome.
and patti – you know it was funny at first…now it’s gettin’ a wee bit old. no offense.
Katablog:
Jug’s sister works for that firm and it is
through her that Charles Croes met the Twitty’s
before Natalee made her trip to Aruba. What’s
even more alarming is that Charles Croes’ cell
phone shows that he placed calls from the
vacinity of the Marriott Hotel around the same
time Joran called the Kalpoes and his father,
Paulus, from that location… around 3am.
So we have Joran, who called the Kalpoes and then
his father to tell them about the overdose; Steve
Croes, who called Deepak, asking that he log on
the computer, as him, so he’d have an alibi;
Charles Croes who received a call from someone,
I believe; and Paulus who would later say that
the reason that he was at McDonalds withdrawing
money was because he had picked up Natalee and
Joran and dropped Nat off at her hotel; so I’m
sure that he was there, also.
I think Joran gave her something to knock her out
and that he thought that she was dying… so
Paulus went there with an antedote to get Natalee
to wake up… and then it was off to the Sloot
Compound.
Natalee was set up by these Arawaks before she
even went to Aruba, in my opinion. Charles Croes
was there according to Satelite Cell Phone
tracking devices.
Yo Yo:
It’s a question, one you’ve never answered… ever.
AND…
I’m not old.
I’m relatively young.
I’ve been to Aruba…
And have been invited,
myself, to C and C’s…
Katablog:
Charles Croes is Jug’s sister’s boss.
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SM: You sure about that? I’ve never heard anything even close to that. (klaasend)
Katablog:
If you do a web search, you will find that Charles Croes is also a self-proclaimed poet. I believe that he and Julie Renfro are associates and he and her ran interference for the Van der Sloots by making false siting reports and setting up false eye witnesses… ie. that gardener. Not to mention all the good work that Julie Renfro has done to hurt the Holloways… Beth, in particular. She is definately Arawak and I believe that she was there when Natalee was killed… as well as Charles Croes. Hundreds of people were there and she wasn’t the only victim that night.
Good Night…
Klaas!!!
No, I’m not sure. But I’m pretty sure that she knew him and introduced him to the Twitty’s. I can’t remember everything… and I don’t write everything down.
I know one thing:
I look at him…
and get the creeps.
Example:
On St. Johns Day which is an Arawak celebration where they burn a sacrifice to the gods for the cleansing of their sins, the pond was being pumped. The Holloways were there…. Far removed from seeing anything, or witnessing anything that was Arawak.
Fact is, Natalee was never at that pond, it was only a deterent to keep the family focused on, while they did their dirty work. According to Simian, everyone was going to the rocks and the air, everywhere, was full of smoke.
What do they burn?
Joran is comming back and is out of a job.
wow another Aruban comming to live of Dutch welfare…like we don’t have enough of these.
@1. 10061906 on December 13th, 2007 2:07 pm
Let’s identify why Aruba is Famous for being one happy and SAFE island.
Per Dennis Jacobs the head narcotic agent’s own words.
It Drugs Tourists.
It puts something in female tourists’ drinks at Carlos and Charlies.
It can supply puntas for a price. “How much money do you have?”
It has four escort services in Orangestad; both in service and out service.
It has numerous brothels and whore houses in San Nicolas.
It steals tourists’ debit cards and accesses tourists’ bank accounts and steals from them.
It supplies drugs and drug dealers are in abundance.
It drugs tourists; kidnaps them to the desert, rapes and beats the victims and returns them to their hotel; only if the victims promise not to go to the police.
It leaves the victims unconscious on the beach so that they show up in a few days.
It hires a very inept coroner that can’t tell the difference between murder and suicide.
There are beach knifings, drownings and decomposing bodies all over the island.
It happens all the time.
That basicly sums up all the big cities around the world.
and again Holland can’t do anything without Aruba asking for it.
They were called in after the investigation was done so they had to work with the evidence collected by ALE…..so there was not much to work with….and a little late too.
yoyo: “anyone have an issue with the following press release?
6/9/05
A thorough investigation is has been underway for over a week now with the support of both local and international authorities.”
LOL! Other than it being a total lie, who could have issue with it? How can you say an investigation is underway when the 3 perps were still walking around the island and 2 innocent security guards still languished in prison?
And those 50 to 250 volunteers searching for Natalee? The only sincere ones were the American tourists and the numerous people who came in from the US to help Dave and Beth. Notice also who wasn’t helping with the search – the three perps and their families!
Then notice all that PR crap about how safe Aruba is. That was the whole reason for the issued statement – certainly not real concern about either an investigation or the Holloways and Twittys.
Thanks for reminding us YoYo just where Aruba’s concerns lay while Beth and Dave searched for their daughter.
YoYo: Let me add that were we stupid enough to accept Joran’s story wouldn’t you expect Joran, all his friends and his family members to be leading the searches? After all according to Joran he did an irresponsible thing in leaving Natalee at the beach which he really regretted. So you’d think that he and his family would do the right thing and be doing everything they could to help find Natalee.
They weren’t. Why? Because they knew it was fruitless. An alive Natalee was not going to be found and a dead Natalee would reveal just exactly what was done to her and by whom.
YoYo: Let me add that were we stupid enough to accept Joran’s story wouldn’t you expect Joran, all his friends and his family members to be leading the searches? After all according to Joran he did an irresponsible thing in leaving Natalee at the beach which he really regretted. So you’d think that he and his family would do the right thing and be doing everything they could to help find Natalee.
yes you would, if only to reduce suspicion(??)
I was taught that you do not leave a girl alone on a empty beach at night (beaches at night are not the safest places)
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SM: One would think that there was a responsibility on the part of a person to actually bring NH back to where she was staying. Yea, let’s just leave her on the beach. Who does that? Its not like he just left her on the beach in front of the hotel. He leaves her on the beach in the middle of no where. That in iteself makes no sense. Reason being is that the beach story by JVDS is a lie.
R
again Dutch marines, navvy and airforce helped search the island.
Friday, June 24, 2005
ST. JOHN’S DAY
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Pond gets drained:
Tuesday, July 26th, 2005
???
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/26/aruba.missing/
#126 again Dutch marines, navvy and airforce helped search the island.
While I have focused a great deal on the incomplete aspects of the search, I am reminded at this moment just how extensive the search was, and it went on for some time. I doubt there has ever been a bigger search done for a missing person. The more searching that is done, the higher the probablity becomes that Natalee just isn’t there to be found. The mine shafts, unsearched water areas, incomplete landfill and pond still remain, but its those helicopter pads are what bother me the most. If you had connections to the right people, that would be the best way out, although it might require a little withdrawal at the ATM or other favors.
Pay no attention to the TROLL YoYo BrainlessTop.
It’s a pathetic loser. Do Not Feed thr TROLLS let them starve and maybe they can go cower and sulk somewhere else. These are sick individuals with no self worth.
KLAASEND Go to 108:
Can you provide anymore information concerning Bailey, Alyse ansd Stef?
Thanks
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SM: Not really except to say we do know all three were questioned and their statements are being requested by the Dr. Phil people in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case. One difference between the two events is that there were 2 tourist girls with 3 guys and one local girl (Stef) Maybe some safety in numbers? Bailey and Alyse were questioned by the FBI as were I’m sure any other known American girls that had met up with Joran. (klaasend)
@Dave…so who does agree with you can starve?
Carpe,
They did work on the pond for a while, but quit when it still had several feet of water in it. I seem to remember that they found a purse with rocks in it, which disappeared into the black hole of “possible” evidence colected by police.
Patti,
Don’t get too riled up about Yoyo. He is paid to come here and throw water on things. Part of the Crisis Management team from a PR firm (perhaps Yoyo is even the mysteriously disappeared PR spin/crisis management guy Steve Cohen! Wouldn’t that be a hoot!).
However, as Yoyo points out, Aruba went into spin mode immediately on this case. The spin was about how hard they were working and that Aruba is still a safe, happy island.
The PRs Yoyo alludes to were put out during the ‘Framed Black Guy’ period where the two black guys were arrested based on overwhelming evidence (…ummm remember the VCB Security shirt next to the blood soaked mattress, next to the cleaning products, next to the styrofoam/duct tape w/teeth marks?). Beth quickly uncovered the attempted frame job (of which the black guys would have walked free six months later and the case would have been cold!).
As I have stated in the past, this case became quicksand for all of the government actors involved. It started as a simple Caribbean cover-up for a murdered American Tourist. The plan hatched by ALE was to pin it on two innocent black guys and quickly preserve tourism. When that was exposed as a cover-up attempt, the ALE folks had to call in their friends in the prosecutors office to assist in screwing up the case further as exposing the ALE would be bad for tourism. When that failed, they needed to utilize their friends in the courts to cover-up for the prosecutor and ALE (flying in Paulus buddy Judge Smid from Curacao who MADE RULINGS WHILE STAYING AT PVDS’s home!). Now they were no longer protecting tourism….the case became protecting the “integrity” of ALE, the prosecutor, and the Aruban courts.
Natalee is dead. Dompig has stated it. Straten has stated it. Janssen has stated it (arresting Paulus for Premeditated murder). Mos has stated it. They all know she is dead, but they have created Pandora’s Box with the cover-up — How do we declare her dead without giving up the body (which, Aruba knows exactly where her body is…or did during that time period)? How do we give up the body without the follow-up questions as to why we covered up for two and a half years? What happens to our cushy jobs when we get caught?
Yoyo or other Aruba apologists/PR Company Crisis Management folks…I will break this down to one simple question:
Could you please give the definition of “Conflict of Interest” under Dutch Law-Aruban style?
Merci beacoup, mon ami!
MD
..Dolf…So we have even more lies…Joran is not in school. But he said he was upset because he missed his studies when he was in jail. He was given permission to go to the Netherlands only to attend college by the judge. If he is not in school then he should not be living in the Netherlands. I don’t think Joran has ever held a job. The Dutch shouldn’t allow him to return…why should they have to pick his tab for welfare. He needs to stay in Aruba and face the music!!!!!!!!!
YoYo sounds more like Reality or Lois/Gagirl every day.
“Source please, link please, blah, blah, blah,” but
FAILS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
Buckeye posted this in the forum. Still in rough translation form but you can get the gist. Discusses the FIRST TEN DAYS:
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Now this is interesting. The “fancy coffee shop” guy that has Dutch Aruban blog, sometimes comments about Theresa Croes. She has sent him letters before. He has a new one posted with some insights.
INGEZONDEN:
Geachte heer van Nie,
Ik lees weer op uw website dat onder meer ik als Arubaanse P-G in de cruciale eerste tien dagen na de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway de zaak verpest heb.
Ik heb u al eerder op gewezen dat dit in strijd is met de waarheid en ik heb u ook verzocht op te houden met onwaarheden te verkondigen.
Ik zal u nog een keer zeggen hoe de zaak werkelijk in elkaar steekt. Natalee is in de nacht van 29 op 30 mei 2005 verdwenen. Ik was tot en met 6 juni, de eerste acht dagen na de verdwijning, in Nederland. Ik heb wel gedurende die dagen telefonisch contact gehad met hovj Janssen en ik heb haar meerdere malen gezegd dat zij die drie jongens, die als laatste met haar waren, moest laten aanhouden. Haar antwoord was dat die jongens eerst getapt moesten worden, want anders had de politie “niets om het verhoor in te gaan”. Toen ik in Aruba terugkeerde heb ik haar opnieuw gezegd dat zij die jongens moest aanhouden. Haar antwoord was toen dat ze aan het wachten waren op videomateriaal uit Nederland, want het verhoor van de jongens zou op de video opgenomen worden. Nooit eerder is in Aruba een verhoor op de video opgenomen. Waarom dat nu moest gebeuren, kon mij niet duidelijk gemaakt worden. Ik was er tegen, omdat de politie nooit eerder video-verhoren had opgenomen en geen ervaring hadden met deze wijze van verhoren.
Maar zoals u nu ook doet, werd ik toen aangewezen als de schuldige van die rampzalige eerste tien dagen, terwijl ik daar helemaal niets mee te maken heb. De eerste acht dagen was ik niet eens in Aruba. De hovj Janssen verving mij als wnd P-G en zij nam de beslissingen. Ik heb nooit gedurende het gehele onderzoek contact gehad met commissaris van der Straten, noch persoonlijk, noch telefonisch..
Ik ben nooit door hovj Janssen op de hoogte gesteld van de voorgenomen aanhouding van de twee bewakers. Ik heb dit in Nederland op de televisie gezien. Mij is ook nooit duidelijk gemaakt waarom deze twee bewakers aangehouden moesten worden, want er was geen enkele aanwijzing, dat zij betrokken waren bij de verdwijning van Natalee. Ze zijn ook nooit getapt om “iets te hebben om het verhoor in te gaan”.
Ik zou het zeer op prijs stellen indien u een rectificatie op uw website zou plaatsen en indien u zich in de toekomst zou onthouden van het verkondigen van onwaarheden.
mr. drs. T.D. Croes
Translation
SENT IN: Respected gentleman of Nie
I read again on your website that among many I as Arubaanse PEN-G in the crucial first ten days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway the affair contaminated have.
I have you already before on pointed that this in fight am with the truth and I have you also requested on to hold with lies to proclaim.
I will you yet a time say how the affair really in each other sticks. Natalee is disappeared in the night of 29 on 30 May 2005. I was till and summon after the disappearance, in the Netherlands with 6 June, the first consideration. I have well during that summon telephone contact had with hovj Janssen and I have her superior grind said that they that three boys, that as last with her were, had to let arrest. Her answer was that that boys first getapt had to become, for otherwise had the police “nothing the interrogation in to go”. When I in Aruba returned have I her again said that they that boys had to arrest. Her answer was then that they waiting were on videomateriaal from the Netherlands, for the interrogation of the boys will on the video taken up become. Never before in Aruba, an interrogation has been taken up on the video. Why that now had to happen, could me not clear made become. I was there against, because the police taken up interrogate had never before video-and no experiences had with this manner of interrogations.
Only as you do now also, I was indicated then as the guilty by that disastrous first ten days, while I have to make that totally nothing with. The first consideration do not summon was I once in Aruba. The hovj Janssen replaced PEN me as a wnd-G and they took the decisions. I had never during the entire investigation contact with commissioner van of the Streets, neither personal, neither by phone..
I have never been stolen by hovj Janssen on the height of the intended apprehension by the two guards. I saw this in the Netherlands on the television. Me am also never clear made, about which these two guards arrested had to become, for there was no single indication, that they concerned were by the disappearance of Natalee. They are never also getapt “something to have the interrogation in to go”.
I will the very on price put when you a rectification on your website would place and when you self in the future would remember of the proclaiming of lies.
Mr. Ma. T. D. Croes
http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch.html
…Pat in Alabama….those helicopter pads are certainly a big concern. They live on that hilltop like Lorenzo….walls and barbed wire.
I do think though the sea is the most likely place to of put a body…contained and weighted down.
Joran says, “I’ll laugh if they find that girl”. Wonder what he means by that in his sick mind. I fail to see anything the slightest bit funny. And then he also says, “If I saw I think I have to hate her”. This kid has definitely got some sick, serious issues. But in Anita’s mind, he is a delicious sporter. Paulus is liar just like Joran.
#ll4, there is no question that aruba was, and is, more concerned with it’s image than it is, or was concerned about natalee. that would hold true for any tourist to the island.
dennisintn
#1 Minnesota…shouldn’t the Holloways attornys be filing a suit against the Aruban Judge per what you listed below? Can’t Beth and Dave sue the Aruban government for all of the coverup going on????
Could you explain why Judge Smid, a friend of Paulus Van Der Sloot’s who STAYS AT THE VDS HOME WHEN HE VISITS FROM CURACAO, was allowed to rule on any orders from this case? Can you help us with the definition of ‘Conflict of Interest’ in the Dutch legal system.
Sharon,
There is the old saying, “You can’t sue city hall”.
Even here in America, judges have created the law to work so that they are immune from making decisions under conflict of interest. The only way in the US you can get at a judge is by filing a complaint with your state’s judiciary board — peers of your judges. I can assure you, unless your judge has stolen money from a disabled beneficiary of an estate or got caught using a penis pump while sitting on the bench during a case, the judiciary board will protect.
I am sure the same is true in Aruba. Its a dead end. The corrupt protect each other.
MD
132 Brie… I think Jorans comments you mentioned were to play dumb like Natalee ran away and if they find her I will really hate her for doing this to me, etc.
He lies constantly so this was another lie.
And yet, Aruba still fails to comprehend that JUSTICE in the Natalee Holloway case is the best remedy for its image.
NO JUSTICE/NO TOURISTS
Aruba, give Natalee justice and THEN you can move on.
In re the press release cited by Yoyo (#115), the Aruban government pledged its full support for the Holloway Twitty family.
What did they actually get?
Dompig refusing to sign a letter authorizing the ocean search the first time as he was too busy.
Lies from media whore Steve Cohen: we are going to re-question Joran when he gets home on Christmas recess (well, no, we’re not)….
Threats that if Beth doesn’t shut up, Aruba won’t investigate any more ….
Lies about how Aruba is paying the family’s bills (Dave Holloway said to check his credit card bill)….
But why elaborate?
OK, here’s a question. Minnesota Dad and some others here are probably more up to date on this than I am.
There’s been a lot of discussion about the man sighted in the casino, at the same area as Natalee, who at least strongly resembles Paulus of the Ditch.
Many say that it is Paulus. Others disagree.
Well, either it is PvdS or it isn’t. If it isn’t, then it’s someone else.
(Wow, never knew I was so smart….)
The only thing I remember hearing from Aruba is that it was some local cook. Maybe others have heard more, or remember more.
But if it was a local cook, presumably he has a name and address.
Has Aruba EVER given identification for this person? Has Aruba EVER produced him at a press conference, asked him to step forward and confirm his identity, or in ANY OTHER WAY moved to clarify this issue?
Not too much ambiguity is possible here: either it is Paulus van der Sloot or it isn’t.
Remember the issue of the vanishing Colombian witness (a gardener, I think, but I might be mixing people up) who spoke up and then vanished from ARuba for some reason? And the other one who spoke up and was committed to an asylum?
So please, folks, if anyone remembers hearing anything more about this guy in the casino: put it here. Basically, the question is whether he has ever been specifically identified.
If not, why not?
Again … I’m not asking for people to say if they think it was Paulus, or the man in the moon, or somebody else.
What I’m asking … has this person ever been identified by name? The only thing I remember hearing is some talk about his being a cook.
If that’s true … he has a name, an address, and can be identified. If Aruba won’t do that, then why not?
..141…I guess he thought someone would believe that she ran away…she maybe tried to runaway but it was only from Joran and what he was doing…there are so many lies that have been told by so many people. It makes one wonder if we will ever get the truth.
Well, the search vessel and Tim Miller should be arriving soon, maybe they will be successful in finding Natalee.
Any update nfo on the arrival time of the TES search ship and crew? Does Fox news or anyone plan to cover their arrival live or on delayed broadcast? Does Jossy plan any media coverage?
Perhaps independent film crews will document the search events. Win-lose or draw, there are thousands of Americans and others who will be praying, watching, and waiting.
Bob,
Last update was that Persistence would arrive on Saturday.
Was delayed by a storm.
Nobody seems to know the answer to my question a while back. Why is Tim Miller coming to search a particular spot in the sea? Someone either pointed him in that direction or it’s a last ditch effort, but initiated by whom?
Anyone…..
Me again. Klaasend, maybe you can tell if all the monies are still whole. Talking about the $ 1 Million as well as the $ 250.000.00……
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SM: Not sure what you mean by “whole”? I don’t have any information on the reward fund. What I do know is that the $1 million is for information leading to the safe return of Natalee and the $250,000 is for information leading to the recovery of Natalee (not sure how that one is worded). As far as whether that money is sitting in a bank or trust fund somewhere I have no way of knowing. (klaasend)
A FAILED JUDGE, A RAZOR BLADE, AND A COFFEE CUP IS WHAT WE NEED . REMIND ANYONE OF A MOVIE WHERE THE JUDGE SPAT OUT THE ANSWERS IN FEAR OF LOSING HIS MANHOOD?
Chris (#150), it’s my understanding that Art Wood, who was on Aruba for three months, is convinced that Natalee’s body was taken out to sea and that he thinks he knows where it is, or at least several possible areas.
I hope I’m portraying his views accurately.
We’ll find out if he is right, I guess.
We know that the FBI said on June 10 that they believe Natalee was dead, and that it was a homicide. My question: where did they get their “information” from?
From Aruba. And the FBI probably trusted what they were told by Aruba.
I don’t.
#150
Deepak Kalpoe’s lengthy 4 page email to Betty supposedly provided vital clues. As well as, statements by Dompig and from a couple of Joan’s friends who had a boat nearby. If the missing fisherman’s cage was used (weighing 50+ pounds, plus the weight of a body), they had to have gone out in the ocean from that spot. Dave Holloway is the mostly likely one wanting to have this search done as he seems to be the most involved in the ocean theory.
I meant Joran’s friend. Can you correct that?
Thanks, M.D.
Over the time that I’ve been here, you and I have always been in agreement. You have a kindness about you that even comes out in your blogging… like a REAL dad, Minnesota style!
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Klaas:
In public service companies, your client is your boss.
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Richard:
Yes. That was what was told to the F.B.I. and the family, as well. It was not until Prime Minister, Oduber, flew into Aruba and made his public address that they started denying the information.
When confronted with the Chicago Videos, they said that they had recovered a little boy, a Columbian, who had gone missing a couple years prior. They said they found him buried there, at the rocks. When asked if the parents had been notified, they stated that the family had moved back to Columbia and could not be located…
You’re right…
Aruba Lies!
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Boycott!
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SM: Patti…you said “Charles Croes is Jug’s sister’s boss”
The only person in the Holloway/Twitty family that is NOW married to someone that has to do with PR and Aruba is PAUL REYNOLDS, Beth’s brother who met Carla Caccavale in Aruba and has since married her. Carla works for the PR firm hired by AHA/AHATA Quinn & Company.
I don’t think Jug has a sister that is employed in any way by Charles Croes or AHA/AHATA. (klaasend)
Thanks everyone for the response.
Klaasend, by “whole” I meant do we know if anyone has been given any of the money for info…
Richard:
One more point:
The original information would have come from the confession, itself. Joran was on suicide watch the day prior and, although at the time, they wouldn’t identify who had made the confession; it was later stated that the confession had been thrown out because Dompig had spent too much time with the MINOR perp, in obtaining the confession… In this case, Joran was the only person, being held for questioning, who was a minor. The word “Whitewash” comes to mind.
Oduber, the magical wizard.
Now you see it,
Now you don’t.
I suppose he’s got enough power to make anyone disappear. Just give us the word, Oduber, and “Abracadabra” she’s gone. Question is: What kind of World Leader would order the disposal of a teen-age tourist because someone might get EMBARRASSED? Forget being embarrassed…
Oduber is, downright, CRIMINAL!
Thank God someone was there that filmed it all! Otherwise, we would all be left, totally, in the dark… without a clue. Someone, and I don’t know who, was watching out for Natalee and her family. I doubt that the person will ever surface, as he/she has gone against the Arawak Nation, and would be lucky to be alive.
And… Oduber says he’s PROUD to be an Arawak!
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Boycott Aruba!
SATISH KALPOE – 06/24/2005 Suspect Statement
On your question if I can remember if during of the many conversations at Joran’s home that the father said “no corpse no case”, I can say it following:
The father of Joran said it in other words. The father of Joran had said: “if there is no corpse it would be difficult to arrest us”.
On your question what would the father of Joran have meant with difficult, I can tell you what is possible it meant I took it that he meant, if a corpse is found evidence could be found on the corpse that could lead to our arrest.
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On your question if I cleaned the car on another day after May 29, 2005, I can explain the following:
I can you insure that I have not cleaned the car after May 29, 2005.
On May 29, 2005, around 22.45, was the last time my brother and I vacuumed and cleaned the car.
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2 Visits
The second time was when Joran, my brother and I took the camera to Freddy’s house. We delivered the camera to Freddy, and afterwards all four of us ate Chinese in the area of Freddy’s house.
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My brother and I asked Joran what really happened with the missing girl. Joran told us that they had gone on the beach. He took his shoes off. He walked in the water with the missing girl. Then he stepped out from the water, I say that they both came from the water. The missing girl fell asleep. We, my brother and I, tasked him how far from the water he had left the missing girl laying. Joran had said that he left the missing girl approximately a meter from the water.
…#154…I believe Louis Schaeffer, who has taken a special interest in wanting Natalee’s case to be solved and helping her family, met with Dave Holloway for a week-end and from there Louis called all the right people to get things moving.
There is a ledge about 3 miles out from shore that’s has a drop off to about 1000 ft. I heard that is where they believe Natalee to be. If her body is down that far chances are it remained there. Very little marine life and the temperature of the water would help preserve her remains.
Keep praying, if she’s there let us find her.
Klaas and Everybody:
I’m sorry.
I heard that it was Beth’s sister in law and I assumed it was Jug’s sister…
Thanks for the clarification, Klaas…
WHEW! I’m glad that’s cleared up!
With referenc to the $1 million reward.
I have seen that even though there are not actual funds sitting somewhere, like in a bank, that upon the finding of Natalee that the person who put up the money will pay the reward. So in effect, the million $ rewrad maybe funded by several people, who have agreed they will put up the money once Natalee is found.
Carpe:
Isn’t it funny how Oduber, or whoever is in charge of that piece of crap island, had the guts to deliver the corpse right back where it belonged… in the hands of Paulus.
Ding-Dong
Special Delivery!
And, even, that was caught on film
and shared with the family.
Blessings from Above!!!!!
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Justice for Natalee
Up above, I asked for clarification on the report that PvdS was the man in the casino.
(10061096 has also urged that we focus on the person who handed Natalee a note.)
My point being … the image in the video has a strong resemblance to PvdS.
If Aruba has done nothing about this report, or has done nothing more than say “It was some local cook,” without producing said person at a news conference, without giving a name and address, without asking said person to step forward …
Then my point is, it’s done nothing at all to clarify the matter.
And my further point is, if THIS is the level at which it operates, then why should we imagine that it provided the FBI anything solid for “evidence” to show that Natalee was dead?
What is the so-called evidence that van der Straaten (“I’ve seen the evidence and you haven’t”) saw, or says he saw?
In essence, what I’m trying to get at is … Aruba may have been doing its best, or worst, to put the idea across that Natalee was indeed dead … only to close off inquiries into other possibilities.
I really would like to know WHAT the FBI heard from Aruba.
151: My last email with Dave Holloway said the monies are still available.
$1,000,000.00 for her safe return
$250,000.00 information leading to Natalee’s where abouts or remains.
Richard My #11
Minnesotadad
Can you explain why no one in Aruba will positively identify who the gentleman is sitting at “third base” at the blackjack table hitting on Natalee Holloway? Come on…a cook from a local restaurant???? Make me laugh Aruba!
Reply:
My email to Art Wood and the reply. That person has not been positively identified.
It could be Paulus but not confirmed. Could be a cook Not Confirmed.
(My Comment)Non Committal Yes
#153: Same response I got from the Holloway family; the FBI is treating this case as a homicide. No other explanation.
Well, if they say it is a cook … then the person has a name and an address.
Did Aruba provide no more identification than “a cook”?
If so, that’s telling us nothing at all.
And my point is … if that’s the level of “information” that Aruba provides, then I think (and have thought for some time) that they pulled the wool over the FBI’s eyes.
Maybe the FBI didn’t give a damn anyway.
By the way, in re the search for Natalee … here’s an article from the U.S. Law authorities in, I think, Wisconsin are disinterring the body of a murdered college student to apply new forensic techniques and to try to solve the case.
The student has been dead for TWENTY YEARS.
So if they do find Natalee’s body ….
http://www.wsaw.com/home/headlines/12507526.html
And here’s the URL to an article … woman lured to El Salvador in Central America, then held in brothel. Thank God it can’t happen to someone in Aruba … or that a young blond girl can’t be handed over to someone who would use her that way.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/7140342.stm
In case the url above goes dead, here’s the text:
Trafficking around Central America is endemic and often women and children are forced into prostitution.
But now decisive international collaboration is beginning to have an impact.
Remembering what happened to her god-daughter is painful
Rafaela is godmother to Milagros and has looked after her since her mother died as a child, treating her as she would a daughter.
When Milagros told her godmother about a job offer in a casino in El Salvador, Rafaela was immediately suspicious.
“I told her to be careful,” she remembers, “but when she got a contract it all seemed OK.
“Her salary was going to be $1,000 a month – nearly 10 times her salary here in Nicaragua. And they said they would pay for her food and accommodation for the first two months too.”
Leaving her baby with Rafaela in Managua, Milagros set off for El Salvador’s capital, San Salvador.
Duped
As a teenage single parent, she dreamed of owning her own home. But in Nicaragua – one of the poorest countries in the region – this would be impossible.
We rescued four girls that day. Three were teenagers under the age of 18, all Salvadorians. And then there was Milagros, from Nicaragua
Sergeant Jose Ayala
Police Trafficking Unit
El Salvador
Attracted by El Salvador’s dollar economy, she thought she would be able to save money.
But Milagros had been duped. In San Salvador she was held prisoner in a brothel by men with guns.
Milagros called Rafaela secretly and told her she had been kidnapped. Rafaela heard the sound of gunshots before the line went dead.
For a moment, Rafaela thought she might have been killed, but then Milagros called again.
“I told her to try and remember any landmark – a mango tree or a large building – anything that might identify where she was being held,” she remembers.
Milagros was beaten when she was discovered on the phone a second time. But then one of her guards took pity on her and let her call home a third time.
Armed with the information she needed, Rafaela phoned the police in Nicaragua who contacted El Salvador’s trafficking unit:
“In a matter of seconds, the police in El Salvador went in and rescued her.
“When they got back to the police station, the sergeant called me. He was very happy and so was I. He said Milagros was in a terrible state, but – she was alive.”
Stigma
San Salvador is a noisy, busy city overlooked by a spectacular volcano. The streets are crowded with bars, in many sex is for sale.
Bars, where sex is for sale, line many of the streets of San Salvador
I accompanied Sgt Jose Noe Ayala on a drive around the city to see the places where police have discovered trafficked women and children.
In one of the upmarket areas of the city, he pointed out a non-descript building, this was where Milagros was held.
“We rescued four girls that day,” he tells me.
“Three were teenagers under the age of 18, all Salvadorians. And then there was Milagros, from Nicaragua.”
After she was rescued, Milagros tried to commit suicide twice. Each time she first called Rafaela to ask for forgiveness and to say goodbye.
“She was feeling guilty. And responsible for everything that had happened to her,” Rafaela says.
“I told her, there is no need to feel guilty. You have not done anything wrong.”
There is a stigma attached to being trafficked because of the sexual nature of the crime.
Speaking out
This is the first time Rafaela has told Milagros’s story. She wants the world to know what happened to her god-daughter.
“I am speaking out to you to say to any single mother or any adolescent, ‘If you are offered a good job, do not be dazzled by the high salaries, because the price you pay is too heavy’,” she says.
“We do not always have the courage to talk about trafficking, but we must be open about these things so this story is not repeated in other families.”
After her rescue, Milagros was looked after in a new refuge for victims of trafficking in San Salvador. It is the only one of its kind in the region.
She received psychological support and also helped the police build their case against the group who trafficked her before being sent back to Nicaragua.
Rafaela will never forget the day Milagros returned.
“She was lovely, my little girl, but destroyed by her experience,” she says.
Since returning, Milagros has stayed outside Managua, hidden somewhere the traffickers will not find her.
Now she is preparing to return to El Salvador to testify against her captors. Rafaela says Milagros is terrified.
“I know it is going to be very difficult for her,” she says, “but I feel it is something that will help her get over what happened.”
There have been few convictions for trafficking in Central America but Rafaela knows that this will only change if there is more cross-border co-operation between institutions, governments, and those who, like Milagros, became victims of the traffickers.
The Birmingham News
A dog and pony show’ heralds the apparent end to the investigation into the death of Natalee Holloway in Aruba
Friday, December 14, 2007
So this is how the investigation into Natalee Holloway’s disappearance ends: a “dog and pony show,” as the lawyer for her parents put it.
Aruban authorities in late November arrested the three men Holloway was last seen with as she left a bar in Aruba on May 30, 2005, on the last night of a trip celebrating her graduation from Mountain Brook High School. Authorities had detained Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe early in the investigation, but they were released in September 2005.
This time was supposed to be different.
Prosecutors cited “new incriminating evidence,” which they did not disclose, from cell phone calls and text messages between the brothers and van der Sloot. The three, who denied any role in Holloway’s disappearance, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in her death. Prosecutors also said they had enough evidence to prove Holloway is dead.
Now we know why prosecutors didn’t disclose the “new incriminating evidence.”
There was none. Aruban judges released the three suspects for lack of enough evidence. And if there wasn’t enough evidence to hold them, there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute them.
“The report of significant new incriminating evidence was misleading,” said attorney John Q. Kelly of New York, who represents Beth Holloway and Dave Holloway. “It was the same evidence or lack of evidence they had from the beginning.”
If prosecutors’ bumbling behavior weren’t so infuriating, it might be entertaining in a morbid, “black comedy” sort of way. But an 18-year-old girl is almost surely dead, and authorities have failed to find out who is responsible and prosecute them.
Kelly said he expects an announcement later this month there will be no prosecution of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes. Aruba’s chief prosecutor told The Associated Press he will close the case by month’s end unless his office finds enough evidence to charge someone with a major crime.
The Holloways’ anger and pain must be palpable. For as much as they have been through over the past 2½ years, at least there was some small consolation in this latest episode of inept Aruban authorities. Kelly had warned the Holloways not to believe there was new evidence in the case, so they weren’t surprised when the three suspects were let go.
With no justice coming in their daughter’s death, that’s not a whole lot.
There isn’t enough evidence to hold them and there isn’t enough evidence to prosecute them…but they still remain suspects. Huh!
Just an off-the-wall thought. Someone just posted:
“There is a ledge about 3 miles out from shore that’s has a drop off to about 1000 ft. I heard that is where they believe Natalee to be. If her body is down that far chances are it remained there. Very little marine life and the temperature of the water would help preserve her remains.”
Here’s my thought: does anyone think that the Unholy Three, or the clown with the boat knew about a ‘ledge’, or might think of it in a time of panic when rushing to dispose of a body? Perhaps. Perhaps not. My first guess is these 3 are ‘land crab’ types, not overly familiar with water related exactness. The boat owner might know that, if the boat is properly equiped with a depth-finder for fishing.
No matter, as long as there still exists the possibility that Natalee can still be found and returned to Alabama, I will still fan the spark, no matter how dim.
Oh come on, hasn’t this been more than enough, Anita says she got into the car willing, I don’t think so…she was drugged and escorted out with Deepak, who lead her supporting by his arm escorted her and took her to the car..the drugged victim…. As they have done many times before. Who drives around with two video cameras in car..with porno videos….a sex pervert..someone that can’t make a decent living..The ALE knows it does exist but always talks about security on the island..what a joke!!! You have known for along time what goes on and you don’t do anything about
it!!!
Lee, a close friend, said that Joran was on the beach that day…he was later at the casino and then at C&C’s. He said he was interested in Ruth..only to make it look like Natalee was not the target.
…#172…those that live on the island are very familiar with the waters…They know what’s out there!!!
What?????????? there are TOURIST HERE on the ISLAND? I was so convinced by you guys and I guess also others here on the island were too, that seeing there’s no tourists coming here, workers should just stay home because there isn’t suppose to be any tourist.
OH MY THE CONFUSION!!!!
I guess since there’s to much tourist on the island Continental Airlines should stop promoting Aruba at George Bush’ Intl Airport at Houston,From what I saw last week, to be precise all over concourse A,B,C and D.
MSN.COM also, please stop with the promotion by naming Aruba today as destination number one for Gambling Vacation. These AMERICAN Companies deserve an avalanche of Hate e-mails by you guys huh?
Since you didn’t like my story about Jossy “mafia” Mansur (what’s the fear? Mail him my comments personally, there is a reason I use my Entire Name [unlike everyone here], if you still want to be on his good side,There’s nothing to hide here, so come children let’s play nice) I do have to say that if You post this, I don’t care…You don’t post,couldn’t care less as long Red, Klaasend or who ever reads it, is more then enough for me
Gabriel Leo your a pathetic sick minded loser.
“Continental Airlines should stop promoting Aruba at George Bush’ Intl Airport at Houston,From what I saw last week, to be precise all over concourse A,B,C and D.
MSN.COM also, please stop with the promotion by naming Aruba today as destination number one for Gambling Vacation.”
Well now Gabe ol’ boy, thanks for the tip. You can bet your last Florin that I will see to it all that foolish advertising ends right quick. Don’t doubt for a moment that real clout doesn’t exist.
Gabe just exposed himself……
165.
10061906,
Rob says he’s confirmed that it’s PVDS.
Joran’s dessicated butt muffin, no ball
havin’ father. He was trying to get
in on a little fun…
http://tinyurl.com/yosgap
The Beast of Buchenwald was havin’
a wing dang doodle in Holland! -j4n
I do not like Paulus near or far…
In a booth, or open bar…
I do not like him; he has the pox…
His heart >B full of unwashed socks!
-Dr. Seuss
http://tinyurl.com/3dotpf
…
-j4n
Suck it, Paulus.
#133 Min Dad
“Natalee is dead. Dompig has stated it. Straten has stated it. Janssen has stated it (arresting Paulus for Premeditated murder). Mos has stated it. They all know she is dead, but they have created Pandora’s Box with the cover-up —”
Since when have these people been a source of information that can be beleived? They are all in on the cover-up. If they say it, then that is all the more reason not to beleive it.
Every point of reference we have, every statement they took, info given to the FBI, so called evidence, is all stuff that has been given to us by a group that most people here indicate they think are in on a cover-up. Dompig? Oh yeah, he is the one who said Natalee was into drugs. Mos has made the most public flip-flop of any of them. When you take away all of their stories about statements, there isn’t much left except that Natalee was last seen with J2K and hasn’t been seen since.
If you start doing some searches on the Internet about human trafficing, it is amazing the stuff you find… like drug cartels switching to human trafficing because of pressure on the drug trade… like kidnappings along the US – Mexican border by drug gangs, etc.
Does anyone remember the time and context in which Satish asked “How’s the girl?”
brie says: gabe just exposed himself
That he did brie and even with a second look….there’s just no there….there
lol
People who want to see the Peter R de Vries television episode about Natalee can download it from a *reliable* newsserver (like Supernews) from http://www.binsearch.info/?q=550702&max=25&adv_age=120
(create NZB, download parts, check with PAR2)
Article in Amigoe…Considerable decrease in cruise tourism..The Carnival Destiny came for the last time in January to Aruba. The cruise ship used to bring more than 1000 tourists to the island. But according to statistics, the arrival of other ships did not compensate the loss of these tourists. 17 cruise ships visited Aruba this year in October which is 44.4 percent less.
Should of solved the case….payback!
Richard,
Did Amy Bradley speak Spanish? Someone said Natalee spoke fluent Spanish. If so, it would be easier to blend in if held in a Spanish speaking country. That is, once her spirit had been broken through what ever methods of control they would use.
There’s an even bigger hurtin’ coming for you Aruba!
All we ever wanted was Natalee and Justice.
And to think it all started because of a 17 yr old boy who’s parents really didn’t give a s–t! You let him grow into a monster. You don’t even know when or if he goes to school. How pathetic!!! I can only imagine what is going to happen to Joran’s younger brothers.
Joran is sick and he just progressively gets worse.
Some people have been asking about upcoming trade shows.
Boston and NY are both at the end of February. Exact dates
and venues on the Tourism/Trade Show thread.
Pat, I think that Amy spoke Spanish, but am not certain.
I agree with you 100% … picking and sorting from statements posted on the Internet is not necessarily the way to get at the truth.
All we know is that we have been given a parcel of lies from day one. We have no way to know that this statement is “true” as opposed to the others … anymore than we can say which of Joran’s many lies is the truth.
Let’s hope that we get answers from the water search, or (for that matter) from elsewhere.
What we know is that there has been no sign of Natalee on the land, and as yet no sign of Natalee in the water.
By the way, it was I who said that Natalee spoke fluent Spanish. This was passed on to me from someone who (so he said) got it straight from Dave Holloway.
Forced drug addiction would be one way of ensuring “mind control.” So would beating, starvation, and physical isolation.
So would threats to Natalee’s family. About a year after Amy Bradley went missing, an American petty officer went to an off-limits part of Curacao near the waterfront. He visited a shady motel that was doubling as a bordello.
That’s where he reported having a brief encounter with a Caucasian girl who said her name was Amy Bradley … saying this before she had to leave the room where he saw her.
Soon after that encounter (he passed an FBI polygraph about it), the Bradleys were in their front yard one evening. A neighbor alerted them that they were being filmed by people in two cars with remote cameras. When they approached the cars, they sped off.
The surmise is that these photos were shown to Amy, who was told something like “If you try to flee, we’ll track you down and kill you … and we’ll get your family too. See these photos? We know where they live.”
If you had been kidnapped from a cruise ship, would you doubt the ability of your captors to do exactly as they threatened?
And for both Amy and Natalee, if they had been forced to bear a child (my surmise), that would be another hold on them.
Yoo hoo, Gabe,
We know there are SOME tourists. Of course there are.
But there will be fewer and fewer American tourists in the near future. Count on it.
And your beef with Jossy has nothing to do with Natalee’s case.
Jossy is not the one who took Natalee away in a car and did something so bad to her that she never returned.
Seems like Gabe shows up when Joran is in town.
Your certainly no match for Jossy.
Just buzz off! Go have another snort and look for a pair of size 14 shoes!
I lie, I kidnap, I rape, I murder, I steal, I destroy, I blame my actions on others, I gamble underage, I drink exclusively, I stalk young American women, I have a history or doing so, I killed my dog, I beat up my brother, I’m illegal…who am I?
Your America’s most wanted!