RSSNatalee Holloway Investigation: CNN Reporting that Joran Van der Sloot has been Released in Aruba
Details to follow.
UPDATE I: Joran will be released at 2pm Aruba time today. It’s reported that Hans Mos will give a press conference within the hour. More to follow….
UPDATE II: Fox is reporting:
Friday , December 07, 2007
ORANJESTAD, Aruba —
A judge has ordered the release of a Dutch suspect who was re-arrested last month in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, the Aruba prosecutors’ office said Friday.
The judge called for Joran van der Sloot, 20, to be freed Friday afternoon, according to John Pauly, a communications consultant for Aruba’s prosecutors’ office. Details of the ruling were not immediately available and a news conference was scheduled for later Friday.
Van der Sloot was arrested Nov. 21 along with two other suspects, Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were released from jail on Saturday after a judge found the evidence was not strong enough to continue holding them.
The three men were the last people known to see Holloway alive before she vanished in May 2005 but have denied any role in her disappearance.
UPDATE III: So Joran is released from custody and is free to go back to the Netherlands and finish his exams.
Natalee Ann Holloway would be in her 3rd year of college, what about her rights? Aruba thinks it’s over but it’s not, it’s just begun. The inept and corrupt investigation and subsequent coverup has sealed Aruba’s fate. It will always be known as a destination where tourism dollars are more important than a young girls life:
Posted December 7, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Crime, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway | 428 comments |
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The fat lady is singing…..
It’s now officially and realistically over…
Natalee will never get justice and it’s a crying shame what a crock of crap that island is…..
This new prosecutor is IN on the shannigans too and nobody can convince me otherwise. He’s a shill for the Aruban government, a mouthpiece to make it seem to Americans that they are actively trying to solve this case; so that Americans will start overflowing their island again. This cover-up has risen to new heights.
Well, what did we expect from Smids
Just like Joe T said this is the same Judge that released Joran 2.5 years ago.
The same Judge that called off the search of the vds residence.
We all knew it was a possibility, but it is so devastating. The hurt that the Aruban Judicial system has caused Natalee’s family should be a crime itself.
Did we expect anything else from One Disgusting Island?!
Hey, Aruba, now the world knows that TEENAGER NATALEE HOLLOWAY WAS KILLED ON ARUBA AND YOU LET THE PERPS GET AWAY WITH IT.
Thats it for me
I can’t see how anyone would ever want to lay foot on this island no matter how low they drop their fares.
I would call this a Mickey Mouse system of justice but that only insults Mickey….even he would do a better job.
Something tells me that the crime rate in Aruba is beyond belief and if they ever posted the real stats no one would visit and it its own citizens would start leaving.
Their a sadistic bunch down there and seem to get pleasure running a missing persons family thru the ringer time after time.
Their is no justice in Aruba…period.
Yesss, Joran is free again.
Let’s hope this is the last time he will be bothered by all those ridiculous acusations.
Fortunately, we still use the Napoleontic court laws, and time and time again they prove to be vastly superior.
In the lack of Aruban justice, frontier justice will, and must, ultimately prevail.
Where is the 21st century Charles Bronson?
This is what it all balls down to Joran made the statement that he knows what happened just not ready to tell yet and if I am right Papa VanderSWEAT also said he knew but the truth would hurt to many pepole. Well why don’t they just cout off their gentials if they don’t tell the truth now its TIME
Daniel 5:26-28 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
26 “This is what these words mean:
Mene [a] : God has numbered the days of your reign and brought it to an end.
27 Tekel [b] : You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting.
28 Peres [c] : Your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”
Aruba, as surely as God did this to Babylon, he will judge your kingdom as well. You will fall into your own net of lies and deceit, and your land will be given to another.
Scott, I think that new prosecuter is in on it too. Like you said, they were just making it look like they were really trying to solve the case. They have been playing this game since the beginning.
From the date they arrested the guards, knowing full well that Joran and the brothers lied about even dropping her off at the hotel, I knew nothing would ever happen. I wish they hadn’t been so cruel about the cover up games though.
How many times did they get everyone’s hope up? Countless times. Each time, more cruel than the last. Why didn’t they just keep their mouth shut and ignore all of us? That would have pissed us off but it wouldn’t have been nearly as cruel as the games they have played the past 2.5 years.
They may think it is “over”. Ha…wrong. It is only the beginning now Aruba!!!
Dayum. What a shame. Please Lord, give them their just due, ASAP.
Dead men walking.
I hope you will read this and report this to Dave Holloway asap. I read in Greta’s blog a very terse and cryptic statement. It only read (from OK): “Dave – look at the debit card for Natalee for two days after she disappeared.” Nothing else was said, and I suggest someone tell Dave Holloway. I have no way to get in touch with him. Hopefully, this will lead to some information about Natalee. I am still holding on to the hope she is still alive somewhere. Please tell Dave or the FBI or AMW, or someone. This should be checked out, no matter which side of the fence you are on in this disappearance of Natalee. This should be about Natalee – and nobody else. gw.
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SM: Natalee did not have an ATM card in Aruba and even if she did, I can assure you it was already checked. (klaasend)
Maybe these kids really are innocent. Did that ever occur to anyone?
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-J4N
right howard and i am the virgin terri
i hope you all realize this is officially over now. they have nothing on these guys. if you live in aruba and feel like raping and killing someone, I thought i would lay out the blue print for you.
1. target young american, but hurry cause there will not be many more to choose from in the future.
2. get them drunk and lie about where you live.
3. drug them with GHB or ecstacy.
4. trick them to get in your friends car, tell her its a cap.
5. drive around until drug has full effect
6. take to your apartment where no one will hear or see her.
7. rape her
8. call friends and let them rape her too.
9. if she fights or comes to, kill her
10. get boat and throw her in ocean
11. lie about story if asked
12. blame on black people
13. ask corrupt police for help if nessesary
14. blame tourist, call her slut, etc.
15. ask father or lawyer or judge in training for advice.
16. tell prosecture at least 6 stories to keep them off balance.
17. never break from original lies.
18. repeat
Carpe please tell me this. I know about and have seen these photos from the Marriot basi. These are the ones that you work on and show correct. Where is this bag I mean who took the photos that you are using? I mean its that simple that person obviously opened the bag.
Anony-
Yes, then they lied 22 times…
in a missing person/murder
investigation.
Those f’n pieces of sh need to be shot.
#13 (Anonymous Howard)
I can tell you from personal experience on that island that, in most cases, MONEY AND BLOOD IS THICKER THAN EMOTIONS and/or CONSCIENCE.
Top 10 Most Wanted
1. Urine
2. Deepak
3. Satish
4. Paulus
5. Steve Croes
6. Julia Renfro
7. Rosalie Klein
8. Charles Croes
9. Angela Munzenhofer
10. Koen Gottenbos
I hope that like a Clint Eastwood Western, 1 by 1, justice will be served.
Stoney,
The bag is not open. However, whatever the material is constructed of…
it is translucent enough for me to capture
her facial image when tweaking brightness
& contrast.
I’d love to explain why, & precisely how… but I’m not smart enough.
It’s her alright, to me it’s her.
CHICAGO #24
That magical
frame that shows
her eyes happens
at 2:47 time.
The bag is only on camera for 10 seconds.
2:45 to about 2:55.
Again, her eyes were
discovered @ 2:47.
-j4n
photobook
http://tinyurl.com/jljbv
> her.
http://tinyurl.com/2lnmbq
Let’s assume that this news is true. The release of the Kalpoes prepared us for it.
So now what?
Two key events lie ahead:
1. The prosecutor has said he will decide by Dec. 31 whether to prosecute anyone. Looks like there’s no prospect for that, right?
2. The water search will get underway.
I guess all our hopes are riding on #2 … American dedication, American generosity, American determination may prevail against all the slimy underhanded Dutch and Arubans.
(We don’t need to point out that the water search is the DUTY of the Dutch and Aruba … later on, let’s go after them to recoup the costs. Right now, what matters is that we Americans might provide the answers that the Dutch and Arubans have done everything to block.)
It’s clear that at least some people believe that the water search will produce results. God grant that if Natalee’s body is in the water, it will be found.
Meanwhile, let’s roll up our sleeves and start thinking about what we can do to keep this case in the public eye. I proposed that a nonprofit corporation or foundation be formed to perpetuate the boycott Aruba movement … the time to strike is while public sentiment is hot. Perhaps we could line up some significant support.
What we CANNOT do is rely solely on Internet blogs. We have to move into new territory.
So how can we best do this?
We can’t force Aruba to do the right thing … but we can, and will, do our best to make the cost of their cover-up intolerable.
All you people, so occupied with the Lord, remember this: “My Kingdom is not of this world, I say to you again.”, so if Joran is guilty and he meets his maker then he will be judged, it is not for us to judge.
There are no words to describe how morally bankrupt those people are. Their shame will follow them to the grave and beyond, and let that be soon.
The infamous published one of many Aruban Lies….
Saturday, June 11, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.
The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said.
Police did not say which of the three confessed.
The three have been identified as brothers Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Depak Kalpoe, 21, and their friend, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of a judge.
The three, taken into custody early Thursday, were the last people to have reported seeing the missing woman.
Police said Van Der Sloot met Holloway May 29 at the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying. The Mountain Brook, Alabama, resident was in Aruba with classmates celebrating their high school graduation.
Later that night, Holloway went to a popular nightclub, Carlos ‘N Charlie’s, with about 40 of her classmates. She left around 1:30 a.m. on May 30 with the Kalpoes and Van Der Sloot, authorities said.
It’s worth noting that today is, in the U.S., Pearl Harbor Day.
#18
“Where is this bag I mean who took the photos that you are using?”
…
Stoney,
I’m not positive who rolled the vid footage. TOP 95 Radio reporter maybe?
Carl (#17) … It’s not that they don’t have anything on these scum. They have PLENTY.
But due to the cover-up, they won’t use it.
This is the most VILE disgusting EVIL cesspool in the whole world. Its NOT OVER…if YOU smucks think we will be going away you are stuck on stupid. We have just gotten started…OPEN your STUPID EYES and watch what happens next. I say to LIERUBA and the freakin DUTCH MF’s involved in this cover up and your loud mouth TACOJOE F you.
You all will rot in hell where you belong.
If you want to get involved email me at JusticeforNAtalee@gmail.com…JUSTICE will be served….WE WILL REALLY BOYCOTT SATANS ISLAND.
Well there is some good ole American lynching going on here, to the point where people seems to speak for His Almighty Himself. Dont you know what blasphemy is?. I call upon anyone that has 100% proof of the guild of Jaran, to step forward and show the world this evidence now, because frustration and despair just arent enough to justitfy the blind hate this has been on this site for many months now. Dont hate, the devil has a full job just doing that, and dont speak for God and what he will do, as he’s perfectly capable of doing things on HIS own.
“so if Joran is guilty and he meets his maker then he will be judged”
…
Like Paulus, Joran, and the Kalpoes were played
Judge for Natalee, you mean.
Cry me a river.
F*ck those pussies, they should have their heads
kicked in for the pain and mental torture to the Holloway family.
I wonder who is going to be at this so-called press conference and what will be said. Anyone think that the van der Scums will be there? I wouldn’t put it past them.
Richard-
How about getting the ICV and Beth’s foundation to introduce legistlation to use money to force foriegn governments to listen to us?
Think about it: what if there was a way for the State Department to slap a $500 surcharge on cruise ship or plane tickets to Aruba for failing to uphold the sfaety and welfare of American visitors? We could do the same to Venezuela for their drug trade, to China for their human rights violations, etc.
We didn’t win the Cold War with guns- we won it with money. Think about it. How many U.S. tourists would think twice about going to these cesspools like Aruba if it would cost them an extra $500?
And remember- no passport required to visit the U.S.V.I. or Puerto Rico!
Did any of you expect anything different? When the Kalpoes walked it was obvious what was coming.
Nothing is going to happen until they find a body. That’s when Aruba will take notice. “No evidence of a crime” is the prevailing town cry. But when they find Natalee’s body, in a crab cage no less, then THE WORLD will know that she was murdered and where. Then Aruba will have no where to go and will have to act.
On that note, I was more than delighted to hear that Andrew Hodges is joining the new expedition to explore for the body. My impression is that the expedition is more than determined.
Perhaps there is a way to advise Aruba’s 3 favorite rapists about this new group of visitors that are about to descend upon them. Let them sweat for a change.
I suggest we get involved in Beth’s foundation. She wants to provide info that isn’t readily available in either travel brochures or U.S. government sites, or provide a one-stop place for the info that is available. Info on safety and systems of justice and U.S. contacts in foreign countries. She’s trying to get hotel chains and travel services involved. Let’s make her foundation a great success and warn people of places like Aruba where date rape drugs are SOP, cruising for tourists is sport, blame the tourist is the national anthem, and justice is non-existent. Aruba isn’t the only place, but we can start there.
I am really sorry to point this out, but with your dollar in a virtual free fall, Aruba is far too expensive for the likes of you.
We may have a “Mickey Mouse system of justice”, but you have Mickey Mouse Money.
Nurturer, you mentioned this on an earlier thread.
Does this mean that there will be active efforts to look again at the landfill, as well as the water search? I hadn’t heard that, and am delighted to learn this (to the extent that anyone can be delighted after today’s news).
I’d very much appreciate it if you could tell us whatever you have heard on this.
We will not abandon Natalee or her family, let the Dutch and Arubans lie and pervert justice however they may. It’s our quest, and we will persist.
My god, are you people still obsessed by this, cold, case?
It’s over, all you can do now is pray.
*lol @ SATANS ISLAND*
Dan in TX (#35) … I know that Vicki was looking into ways to induce the State Department to issue a travel warning for Aruba.
I’m writing to Bush later today urging that he summon the Dutch ambassador for a conference on Natalee’s case. I did that two years ago, and doubtless I’ll get the same response now that I did then (i.e., nothing). But it’s a start.
Van der Sloot ordered released from Aruba
NEW: Prosecutors (LOSERS!!!!!!) say they will not appeal ruling to free Joran van der Sloot
(CNN) — An Aruban judge Friday ordered the release of Joran van der Sloot, a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
A statement from the public prosecutor’s office said the judge, in his decision, found that the authorities’ “recent investigation has not resulted in more direct evidence than before that Natalee Holloway has died as a result of a violent crime against her or that the suspect has been involved in such a crime.”
Authorities arrested all three young men last month, citing new and incriminating evidence but not offering specifics. All three — who were arrested and released during the investigation in 2005 — were charged last month with involvement in the “voluntary manslaughter” of Holloway, as well as assault and battery leading to her death.
The three maintain their innocence.
“In the decision the judge took account of all the relevant evidence contained in the whole case file collected during the investigation,” covering 2½ years, the statement from the prosecutor’s office says.
Noting that the court of appeals, in a decision about the Kalpoe brothers, also questioned the strength of evidence against the suspects, the statement said the public prosecutor’s office will not appeal the decision to release van der Sloot.
The three were arrested two years ago after the Alabama teen’s disappearance in May 2005 while she was vacationing in Aruba.
Holloway, celebrating her high school graduation along with about 100 classmates, left a nightclub with the Kalpoes and van der Sloot, and failed to show up the next day for a flight home. Her packed bags were found in her hotel room.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/07/aruba/index.html
OMG!!!!!! This is awful…I don’t believe this…I wanna kick some ass…the freaking, savage, stupid, useless, worthless, incompetent pieces of shit!!!!!!!!
How dare they do this again to Natalee and her family…
Hopefully the water search will find Natalee for the Holloway’s sake…
Sorry, Dan in TX, you were #36.
Aruba Rules!
It’s on Dana’s latest interview. You can download and listen. Dana’s first interview of the show is Andrew Hodges and Hodges explains that he will be flying down to join the expedition after their arrival.
According to Hodges it is not the landfill, but the ocean, where they dumped Natalee’s body. In a container.
Watch out!! GS “tataah” is on your trail.
Erik on December 7th, 2007 12:40 pm
Yesss, Joran is free again.
Let’s hope this is the last time he will be bothered by all those ridiculous acusations.
Fortunately, we still use the Napoleontic court laws, and time and time again they prove to be vastly superior.
Erik,
Actually, in the Anglo-American system, the suspects would not have been put in jail at all without probable cause. On the other hand, we would have questioned the suspects intensively and examined their car and homes after they were caught lying within 24 hours of Natalee’s disappearance. The fact is Aruba’s police force simply wasn’t up to the job, something Americans thinking of visiting the island should be aware of.
I too am very disappointed. As far as Aruba and its tourism – stick a fork in it, it’s done.
I also will take one more time to express that the anger from some posters which gets expressed in violent ways does disturb me. It is not our responsibility to bring “justice” to the three thugs. Threatening them merely makes the posters look akin to the three thugs.
Evidence that the three are guilty? Oh gosh, the circumstantial evidence (including the confession of one of them) has been listed over and over again here at Scared Monkeys. There simply is not statistical way the three (and Paulus) could not be guilty when you put all the evidence together.
Skinner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4TbQoDSrrs
Erik on December 7th, 2007 1:50 pm
I am really sorry to point this out, but with your dollar in a virtual free fall, Aruba is far too expensive for the likes of you.
We may have a “Mickey Mouse system of justice”, but you have Mickey Mouse Money.
Erik,
Fair enough. All the more reason for us to avoid Aruba, and for you to visit us and see how a real system of justice works.
DennisAOK on December 7th, 2007 2:07 pm
Come on, Aruba is a tiny island, what do you expect?
Even Amarillo, Texas, is larger than Aruba.
And who want’s to get lost in Amarillo?
#48 – Correct. Instead of allowing the suspects to run free for 10 days so as to destroy evidence to cover their tracks.
But their is still the body. It is still out there and they think they got rid of it.
123
I have not said anything in a while, knowing what the outcome probably would be. Without naming names think about this:1. Why would the murdering Sloots engage JT. when there are so many more qualified lawyers in this country? 2.
Who is running the &hitty island? Put the 2 together!
I suppose hiring a John Smith would not have put the fear of god in so many people, to the point of setting criminals free to safe their own hides.
Enough said….
DennisAOK on December 7th, 2007 2:14 pm :
Nice one
Jossy Mansur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i7G0pv4Utk
I hope all americans will boycott aruba, then at least there’s one country where we can go for an vacation and there aren’t any loud and rude americans around.
God that must be heaven, an vacation resort without americans.
Americans don’t own the world.
But getting back to the real issue, as Steerpike used to say: “An undiscovered crime is no crime”, and he was also right about that.
“I am really sorry to point this out, but with your dollar in a virtual free fall, Aruba is far too expensive for the likes of you.
We may have a “Mickey Mouse system of justice”, but you have Mickey Mouse Money.”
What a moronic statement….if this is true then why does Aruba want the American tourist business so much?
Expensive is right thought….it could cost you your life if you travel to Aruba.
I expected nothing less from this island of inbred’s & crack heads ruled by arrogant Dutch dog & pony judges.
They will ALL get what they deserve in SPADES.
COUNT ON IT BITCHES…
Mike on December 7th, 2007 2:35 pm :
Yes
Remember, folks- don’t feed the trolls!
Richard-
Our government won’t listen to ONE person, but a few thousand it might listen to. Didn’t someone at one time tell us there is a way to petition the State Department to get involved?
That’s always been a problem for us supporters. We’ve been going in a thousand different directions and no one effort has done much. Is it time for a boycott Aruba website? Way past in my opinion! I’ve asked this time and again and nobody seems to want to step up and do that. Tom and Red would be great choices.
As for me, I think the one thing we can do is continue to boycott. You see, when election time rolls around in Aruba, you can bet the opposition will use this travesty of justice to their best effects. We’ll hear what the true losses to tourism was at that point. Best we can do now is to make each and every Aruban pay for the sins of the government THEY elected, and hope a new regime will find a way to resolve this. And yes, I used the term ‘regime’ on purpose.
I have a ‘travel Aruba’ website planned that presents only bad (that is, true) information about one unsafe, corrupt little island. Every time someone visits, it will register to the search engines as a hit on that topic. In time, it will be at the top of the search engines list. It is all I can do for now, so I’ll do it.
I would like to ask Aruba’s few supporters of this, though: if Aruba’s justice system works so well, why did the ONLY THREE SUSPECTS walk out of jail? Natalee did not just disappear.
“I hope all americans will boycott aruba, then at least there’s one country where we can go for an vacation and there aren’t any loud and rude americans around.
God that must be heaven, an vacation resort without americans.
Americans don’t own the world.”
Wow…were rude and loud for wanting justice for a Girl who was almost certainly raped and murdered on one of your kingdoms territories.
How dare us.
And like Kloothommel mentioned it would be great if you Americans would boycot Aruba. Why don’t you boycot Holland too?
What I dont get is that it is obvious there are no reprocussions for whomever harmed Natalee, and since there is no punishment and perfectly acceptable to murder with out consequence … why not just tell her parents where she is?
#58 – klohomo – Would you like to put some money on it?
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
@Susan on December 7th, 2007 2:49 pm
#58 – klohomo – Would you like to put some money on it?
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
============================================
Boycott as long as you want, i couldn’t care less.
I see all the vermin are now coming out of the woodwork..don’t engage these people in dialog, they are imo as corrupt as those defend and not worth the space they occupy on paper or in person.
SINK THE DAMN ISLAND.
I have a question for someone who is knowledgeable about the legal system in Aruba.
1. Mos went to court with new evidence, a judge let Mos rearrest the creeps, is this correct?
2. Who was the first Judge?
3. We know Smid was the Judge who likes to let these creeps loose, in 2005 and now.
4. Was Smid also the Judge who agreed to rearrest the creeps?
5. If two different Judges and that’s how it works, I wonder how the first Judge feels about this?
BOYCOTT ARUBA…..75% OF TOURISTS WHO GO TO ARUBA ARE AMERICANS, THAT BEING SAID, IF THE AMERICANS STICK TO GETHER AND BOYCOTT, THAT COULD BANKRUPT ARUBA AND LET HUGO TAKE OVER.
How about OJ Simpson??I am glad that a bloodstained killer got what he deserved. Because he did get convicted, didn’t he??
I am glad for you people that your system is perfect.
Get real there was no physical evedence nor a single statement that was clear about that Joran did it.
Kloothommel on December 7th, 2007 2:33 pm
You can have Aruba… Aruba made just for people like you.
We love ya, Nat fam & friends!
> Always darkest, before it’s dawn.
….
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-j4n
Come on guys, w’re not talking Ted Bundy here. Relax.
I have been looking at those photos Carpe and I’m confused. There was a body found?? And you have used your computer to focus in on parts and believe it is Natalee? Who took these pictures and why then is Natalee’s body being kept a secret? I am VERY confused.
I’d rather see justice and closure for Natalee’s family then boycotts myself as I’m sure most on this blog do. But lets face it thats not going to happen because of either misconduct or incompatence….sad case all around.
In the USA this guy coudn’t even have a fair trail.
The USA media en all the believers of the holy mother Holloway have their sentence already made: guilty.
So in the USA Joran would have got the deadpenelty…
The court announced Jurine’s release a couple of hours ahead of time in order for all the Aruban population to line up and kiss his ass.
Remember he doesn’t care about the boycott or your standard of living takes a dive so he is laughing in Aruban’s face’s just as much as he is to the US.
You idiot’s don’t even get that do ya?
@Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:04 pm
You don’t have to boycot Aruba, soon ya’ll can’t even afford an vacation at all.
Or are you gonna take an extra Sub-prime loan to pay for an vacation.
Miko,
Sticking your head in the sand doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Innocent people don’t lie to police multiple times if not crime was committed.
Are you saying that since OJ excaped justice its alright that these 3 perps do? Man thats twisted.
At least OJ was brought to trial and world even Joren supporters know what he is.
Well folks….WHAT A SCAM…hate to say I called this.
It all comes down to PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT’S TIMELINE.
Why has Aruba avoided his timeline?
Why has the KLPD avoided his timeline?
Despite Aruban courts finding as fact that PVDS had two contacts with NH that night…no one is doing anything about it.
Paulus is your perp. Paulus has been protected. Aruba/KLPD have covered nicely for PVDS while putting on a nice dog and pony show.
MD
Eric- One-your an idiot! two- USA makes up over 70% of aruba tourism so I agree we can’t afford to die in aruba. You can have it.
Jennifer on December 7th, 2007 2:43 pm:
Yeah right, why not sink the whole U.S. of A.?
The world would be a better place.
what a joke! Those 3 animals and the rest of their group will get their day soon!
Aruba…you are going down!
#70 – I was going to ask the same thing. Anybody out there have an answer to this?
That is, why did the judge look at the evidence and decide there was enough new evidence to drag these three into jail again? But that later, there was a decision that there is NOT enough new evidence to keep them?
What happened between the first decision to bring in the rapists, and the final decision to let them out?
#63 Dan in Tx
You said “to make each and every Aruban pay for the sins of the government THEY elected”
If you did your homework and you actually know what you are talking about you should know that the gov. has nothing the do with the justice dep. Even if they wanted to do something they don’t have the authority to do so. If you want to make a point, go to Holland and do that you idiot. Instead of almost everybody on here blaiming the people of Aruba. Do you really think that they don’t want this to end. If, again, you did your research you should know that the local people over there don’t want aything else than for this case to be over with. They aren’t even Arubans that’s the irony of the whole situation.
Joran especially will never be free. He is marked and if the case against him is closed “something bad” is bound to happen to him. Frankly after the closure he has no protection because there is no reason to hold off on the many things which can be done to him. He will have to look over his shoulder the rest of his life. “Hard men do evil things so that honest people can sleep safe at night” George Orwell
vander F,
Aruban law enforcement should have called the Dutch in right away. As you say, it is a small island. As a result, it is difficult to get justice when one of the island’s own is suspected of a crime. An outside party is needed.
Ah so what.
like kloothommel states, the dollar is worth crap nowaday’s, ordinary Yanks can’t even afford to go there, so what are we talking about.
Boycot is a laugh.
Has the boycot already started?
I agree Scott….the true Arubans are pawns in this…just look at the posts here from the dutch Joren supporters, they don’t really give a rats ass whats happens to Aruba.
So by reading a few comments from the citizens of the o so crime free US of A, i tend to believe that you guys truly have lost your sanity .. But hey if my countries legal system would be so corrupt as that of the USA i would also start slandering other countries legal systems so that i would forget our own …
But honestly..
Where is the “innocent till proven”..
Nathalee prolly had a good time on Aruba, went with the guys to the beach, refused the offer of sex by the 3 guys, they left her alone, as stoned as she was .. (hell i surly do not believe the “she is so innocent and a good christian” (the most so called good christians have more blood on their hands as well as a lot of skeletons in their clossets)..) She bounced into another guy who raped, killed, sliced her into pieces and fed her to the fish… But ,, with all the attention of the USA at 3 so called suspects the police never had any time to look into other directions cause the citizens of the USA where about ready to lynch those 3 … And the pressure was so high that they only had them as a suspect..
And with all that crap of Boycotting.. This is so typical american.. This only proves that you have no idea of political connections between the dutch and the americans..
And yes yes i know you think “Hey, who was it who pulled your asses out of the fire in 1940-45″, yes you did as well as a lot of other countries, and trust me if you did not you would al be speaking german… so you see everything has a political agenda.. So stop being an arse and start thinking instead of just mindlessly yelling things of which you do not understand… despite the anger you have be reasonable…
And about that Joran Knows what happened, maybe it is so embarrasing for her family that he thinks of her being murdered is far more acceptable then what she really did ..
Klootwyk
I don’t need to go anywhere for a vacation,,,,,I live in the USA….
74-
How would you know?
…
Actually, now
that you mention it, Ted & Joran have
very similar thought patterns.
F’n creeps.
…
75- The body in the Marriott Basin
with the Natalee eyes and face
is available on the net.
GOOGLE: CHICAGO #24 VIDEO
The eyes show up at 2:47. The bag is on camera
from 2:45 to 2:55.
Turn the sound down if you don’t like rap.
…vid…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnmWu0Yssh8
And irony off it all is that if the european country’s had indeed done justice in the past, the USA wouldn’t even have existet in the first place, cuz most of the european’s that where shipped to the US where conemned to death or go to the new world.
Yes that is correct, most americans are related to criminals that where unwanted in europe.
Maybe whe should consinder giving it back to the Indians as they are the real american’s.
Richard
I will help in any way I can to petition the State Dept. or any other avenue that is worth pursuing. I don’t know how to contact you, but if you need my signature Scared Monkeys has my permission to give you my email.
Has Nathaly been found yet?
*travels to Aruba next friday*
Let us not forget what Richard wanted us to do for the 9th of December!!!!!!!
http://www.compassionatefriends.org/
da wizard on December 7th, 2007 3:14 pm
“have got the deadpenelty…” ???
…
iz-nitch PUH-LEEZE!
Be gone with you, lest Glenda
the Good Bitch flies in on her
broomstick and drops a house
on that a$$. -j4n
@# Scott on December 7th, 2007 3:20 pm
forget it, Aruba has a status aparte in the Kingdom and is verocious stating it is largely independant.
They hate it to involve Dutch whatever.
The Antilles are known to be an expensive pain in the arse for the Netherlands.
In the Netherlands most people would not care if Chavez invaded the damn dry rocks.
Let him have it.
To start, yes it is a tragic story and I hope whoever did it will eventually be caught (maybe Joran, or maybe some other passer by after Joran left her on the beach – drunk, maybe the Kalpoe brothers). Hard to judge without having seen all the evidence, without weapon, body or confession. I do think in the US he would be convicted by a jury who has different notions of reasonable doubt then judges do. But about Aruba, it’s not such an unsafe place as you think. The reason the Aruban investigators are so inexperienced is, well, they have little experience because murders are very rare on that island. In contrary to cities like Washington DC and New York (where I work) where hundreds of people get killed every year despite a very capable and experienced police force. But you don’t go boycotting those do you?
Is there already an english version of Jorans latest book available in the States by the way? Its about “his” side of this story…
http://www.nl.bol.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/nl/-/EUR/BOL_DisplayProductInformation-Start?Section=BOOK&BOL_OWNER_ID=1001004004808920
@Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:30 pm
True, soon you don;t need to go to africa to visit an third world country cuz soon you’ll be living in one.
P.S.
Have you actually ever been outside the USA.
You never crossed the state border i bet.
P.P.S.
How can you even boycot Aruba if you even don’t go on vacations.
Kloot
Was it our mistake to help the Dutch during the war? What language do you think you’d be speaking now?
#86,
Scottie,
If the arubans want it over so badly then somebody needs to talk. If you expect me to believe that NOBODY on that lava rock knows anything then you as just as stupid as they are. IMO this has signed the death warrant for some people. The legal system had their chance. They ALL said they know what happened and do not want to talk but your piece of shit called a legal system decided to protect them all. So I personally will not loose any sleep if somebody plays vigilante on their asses. I hope it includes Paulus and that ugly hag called his wife.
When ppl boycotted Nike and the likes, did they happen to care about the employees of that company?
No I don’t think so. I think they wanted to get a message across.
Wow,
The trolls are out in force or at the least someone is using a variety of different names.
But whoever werner is congrats…it took you almost the full year to accomplish it but you have won the asshole of the year award.
SM feel free to edit if you have to
Aruba is going down, f*** Joran, there law system is screwed up, etc. make up for the majority of the comments here. Why do I ask myself? For a body that still has not been found? For a girl known for partying, including alcohol and drugs? Even Dr Phil had something to say about the whole situation, for christ sake what does he got to do with it? And in the meantime? Another mall shootout,with almost no media coverage compared to this old case. The society in the USA is so sick and twisted that shootouts are considered normal, while a possible, not proven murder in another country gets primetime media coverage for months. What is the next step? Declare a war against Aruba? Again undermine UN regulations? Boycotting tourism? Always judging other countries, thinking that the world is yours. I’m happy to live in Europe and not be part of your sick society without any self reflection.
SCREW ARUBA….!
#102 Whitefoodt
The only way I would buy that book is if Jurine was there to sign it and THEN I WOULD SHOVE IT UP HIS ASS!
hopefully Beth and Dave will now make public the information they have been witholding while this was an active case.
also, why… why in the world would these 3, at a minimum be charged with raping Natalee? dont they have stmnts by all 3 saying they had sex with her while she was unconcious??????? CHARGE THEM WITH RAPE! CHARGE THEM WITH RAPE!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH THOSE PEOPLE. JORAN EVEN KNEW THE COLOR OF HER PANTIES! I JUST DONT GET IT. CHARGE THEM WITH THE LESSER CRIME OF RAPE AT LEAST
#102 yes, the english version is If’n I Did It by Joran Van Der Sloot.
The only thing that Aruba has contributed to the Dutch Kingdom (why the f*ck by the way did we ever trade suriname for new-rotterdam… ganz other story) is poverty, violence, racism and bolitoshitters (those “netherfriends” that come by plane carying kilos of coke up their ass).
We say goodbye to them, we say be yourself, be who you wanna be, be independant, stay there, don’t try your luck in the Netherlands. Try Venezuela, try the US for gods sake but stay away!
SORRY^ above post should say “why have they NOT been charged with rape?”
Yes, another one: ‘screw aruba’. Smart comment, ever considerd that Aruba is safer than your average school or shopping mall?
# reed on December 7th, 2007 3:56 pm,
don’t be silly, you need sperm tracks etc. for that,
what the hell, why not give them a speeding ticket,
let’s go wild.
@Mike 3:56
Signingsessions will be held in 0031 during the spring. Take notice of the (dutch) publications if you’re really interested. And take Aruba too while you’re at it.
Who’s Rosalie Klein
I have a daughter the same age as Natalee Holloway. I can’t even image the pain the Holloway families have had to endure all these years. Being jerked around time and time again. It is so sad. I think Beth and Dave handled themselves with the utmost respect and patience. I know I could never have been that calm. But I know they had to, with the blackmail from the Arubian Gov. that if they put certain info on the news that would no longer search for Natalee. I hope to hear the whole ugly story from JQK on everything that went on there. Beth’s and Dave’s books brought so much insight to the whole behind the scenes. There is much more that we ever imagined on what happeded, to total corruptness, and uncaring that an American citizen is missing on there Island.
Hey Nederlands.
your missing the point, its right on your head.
Come on how can you compare a island with 100,000 citizens with a country with 300 million.
Aruba its the size of a small city in the US and there seems to quite alot of crime there thats reported not to mention what must go unreported.
whitefoodt on December 7th, 2007 3:41 pm
Is there already an english version of Jorans latest
book available in the States by the way?
****************************************************
You don’t boycotting it?
@Miss-Underestimated on December 7th, 2007 3:44 pm
1. Did you actually fight in europe, or are you just taking glory for something you even weren’t involved in?
2. The Canadians & UK liberated us, not the USA.
3. Hitler was greatly financed by the great grand daddy off youre current president
4. The US only got involved cuz there economic interests where harmed, prior to Pearl Harbour they couldn’t give shit what germany & japan did, cuz they still did extensive busines with both country’s.
I am adding Kloothommel to the 10 Most Wanted List.
#105 Mike on December 7th, 2007 3:48 pm
Mike boy or mike idiot you decide.
For you to say that they all said they know what happened and did not want to talk tells me you don’t know shit about the case you idiot. The three suspect aren’t even arubans you stupid idiot. If you ever been there and you talk to people over there you can say whatever you want, but apparently you haven’t so put a cork in it. You just follow what the media says like every other idiot on here. You don’t know nothing!!!!!!!! You think you do, but that’s just the media. Try looking a little bit further ohhh that’s right I’m talking to a hillbilly, that makes it impossible.
@TERRI 3:57
I smell a duft of preoccupation here. The boy hasn’t been convicted (yet). That he has lied over and over again looks pretty clear. But he’s going to get away with it. Why? Cause the judge couldn’t find even a trace of substant evidence. Like Jorans father is never getting tired to repeat: no body, no case!
Do you really think I care what happens to that dutch idiot, yes hear me right DUTCH, not Arubian, and those two SURINAM idiots. They could go to jail for 20 years for all I care. What irritates me is that a lot of you here really think that the Aruban people have something to do with this. Cover-up, WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!
Do you really think they would cover it up for three idiots that aren’t even born on the island. Come on!!!!!! Wake up!!!!!!!
I’ll ask again . . . WHY DID THE JUDGE LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AND DECIDE TO DRAG THESE THREE INTO JAIL AGAIN, LATER TO LET THEM GO, BASED ON THE SAME EVIDENCE?
WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE FIRST DECISION TO BRING THE RAPISTS IN AND THE FINAL DECISION TO LET THEM GO?
BTW there are 2 different Mike’s now posting…posts #105 and 110 was not I
To #58….no, Americans don’t own the world, WE JUST DON’T PUT UP WITH TOO MUCH BULLSHIT!
What does helping Netherlands in the war has got to do with THIS? US didn’t really rush to help Netherlands anyway. US only entered war after being attacked itself by Japan. In majority, Brits (in the war since 1939 instead of 1941) and the Canadians liberated The Netherlands, with the exception of the heroic contribution of the 101st Airborne (operation market Garden) for which the people (and their children & grandchildren) of Eindhoven still thank the veterans EVERY year. Don’t blame an entire peacefull population for a murder comitted on an island the Dutch don’t even want!
Scott,
Then you think it’s pure incompetence then?
No way you can approve on how ALE has handled this case right?
Otto,
Don’t forget the 82nd Airborne
Nurturer, I’ll explain. Prosecutor/police can decide to arrest and put in jail for a certain maximum period of time. Then to prolong the custody they need approval from a judge. That’s called accountability. The judge concluded that there wasn’t really any new evidence and thus had no choice to let Joran go. Innocent until proven guilty.
Don’t people understand you have to have evidence to convict somebody?
And about the boycot? Seen the dollar lately?
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=EUR&amt=1&t=1d
#86: You do your homework. The gov’t always had the ability to ask the Dutch, the FBI, or anyone else they wanted to take over the investigation. Neither Dutch nor Aruban law prohibits this.
Mos was brought in only when Paulus’ corrupt friends were certain there was no trail back to him or them.
The Arubans want this to end because of their pocketbook, not because they actually give a damn about the victim or her family’s ordeal. If you guys really cared, why did you RE-ELECT the MEP months into this scandal when you should’ve known by then your gov’t was crooked? I hate to tell you guys but just because your gov’t is corrupt to the core doesn’t mean that’s the norm.
Speaking of the USD dropping like a stone, that must be why I drive a 2008 model car and don’t even miss the $200 a month loan repay for my college….we’re doing SOOOO badly here!
Mike at #105 speaks the truth. Arubans have no right to cry until they’ve done everything they can to FORCE answers for this family. Like telling the truth.
As for the Netherlands, none of this wouldn’t have happened if not for status aparte. That was a big mistake and now you have to live with it due to treaty. Also makes a convenient excuse for not doing anything…I guess the Carauna-Cuntreras scandal in Aruba wasn’t your fault either? And that’s why we’re not boycotting the Netherlands: they can’t do anything more without abolishing a terrible piece of legislation that allows these corrupt little incestuous islands to govern themselves.
Erik (#39 and others): it’s sad that you disregard Natalee’s life. It’s not simply a matter of whether Joran or the Kalpoe’s are guilty, it’s a matter than Aruba has either botched or covered up the investigation/crime from the start. Your disregard for her life (she was a fellow human being for crying out loud, not some vase that was just accidently broken!) is unfortunately the precise problem we’re seeing from all of Aruba. You just don’t care about the fact that she was killed. Just an innocent, young, naive girl. She walked into a place where tourists are consumed for pleasure and the society at large is, by and large, ok with it. Very sad how you all disregard human life like that.
Aruba “one sociopathic island”…
Sorry, miss-underestimated
i would think first before trying law school. (again) The same for dennis from tn.
Sorry Mike, you’re correct. These men where the finest soldiers on earth.
@nurturer on December 7th, 2007 4:20 pm
If you actualy had taken the small amount of interest in the justice system of Aruba then you would have KOWN THAT JUDGES CANNOT ORDER AN ARREST IN THIS SYSTEM, IT’S THE OM (COMPARABLE TO YOURE D.A.) THAT ONLY CAN ORDER THE ARREST, IT’S THE JUDGE THAT CAN OVERTURN THAT DECISION.
So to put in in the correct context.
The OM (D.A.) thinks it has new evidence so they order the arrest, this has to be proven to the Judge that the arrest was justified, the Judge has ruled that this ‘new’ evidence is not enough reason to detain the ‘suspects’ on.
Case closed (for now).
And let me remind the americans that an trial on this flimsy evidence is not adviced if they are not convicted then there is NO second chance, if if they find real new evidence like the body with DNA traces.
In the Aruban justice system you cannot be tried a second time for the same crime.
So stop yelling for an trial cuz on this evidence they will never be convicted and after that they can never ever be convicted, even if they conves to the crime.
For Joran maybe an trial would be the best that could happen to him, he then would probably get off the hook for ever, now they can give him an trial (if neccesary) for the next 20 year’s.
I actually couldn’t care less what happens to him, but i get totally irritated by the americans yelling there big mouths without knowing jack shit about the system.
Nathalee prolly had a good time on Aruba, went with the guys to the beach, refused the offer of sex by the 3 guys, they left her alone, as stoned as she was ..
…snip
Ah mannnn… that Chronic must be good today, boy!
You are starting to sound like that polyester
stretch pants wearing oinker,
Elsie Van der sloot.
Maybe bombing the place would help…
Your being powned by the Dutch right now, as in the Capital of Denmark. But lovely to meet you.
@Peter 4:13
Freedom of speech is our most true value.
*is not going to buy Jorans lies*
I love when I hear the argument of no evidence….theres if there is no evidence its because they waited 10 days to begin the investigation…allowed the perps over a week to clean up their act. allowed them time to try and get their stories straight…which they haven’t really been able to do.
The damn chief of police was the main suspects father best friend and didn’t even take himself off the case.
Come on my Dutch friends you have to know this stinks.
Otto,
Like General Browning said….one bridge too far.
But we agree a galant efford by all the allies Brits, Dutch, Americans…and don’t forget the Polish.
Otto and Fin have been added to the Most Wanted list.
It is over. And has been from the start… Ever since it became apparent in the first few weeks that the Aruban system was going to cover up or turn a blind eye to the evidence that Natalee was dead (eg. “maybe she was kidnapped and taken to South America”, “maybe she’s on crack and holed up in a bungalow, high”, “maybe the black hotel security guard picked her up in the parking lot and did something with her”), I have been telling my wife that this case is dead. Evidence was not collected at the start and the crime was allowed to go cold and blow away in the wind from the very start. My impression was that Aruba is not going to prosecute an Aruban member of the ruling class. And the Kalpoes will get a pass, too, since their convictions would also bring Joran down. And probably Paulus, helper to the guilty. Over the past couple of years every single time this story hits the news again I tell my wife “nothing will come from this – the case was killed in the first week” and every time that has been true including this time. It’s unfortunate but it is clear and has been clear for two years that Aruba has killed the investigation and prosecution of the case. And even an honest prosecutor is not going to find worthwhile evidence now. In my mind I’m certain that Joran was able to get a boat, weigh her body down and drop it in deep water. Unfortunately with sea creatures and current their is essentially zero chance of finding any remains now. Sad but this was over from the first week. And Aruba is happy about it that way as you can tell from the consensus opinions of the Arubans on this forum.
#131 – Historically correct.
And . . . can we knock off the infantile bickering!?!?!
Kayjay #96), if you write to Vicki at the email that’s been posted here, she can forward your message. Thanks, Vicki!
And she’s sort of the central coordinator for the trade show protests right now anyway … I guess she can coordinate the mutual flow of messages?
And as 10061096 (#98) kindly reminded us, there will be a ‘virtual candle posting’ opportunity this Sunday.
It looks as though any hopes that Aruba will push for justice have been dashed, unless something unexpected happens. If the water search is successful (again, American volunteers are doing the duty of the Dutch and Arubans … is anyone surprised at that?), that will force Aruba’s hand … at least, I don’t see how it wouldn’t.
If not, well, we’ll see what happens next.
(I’ve still not abandoned the idea that Joran and crew, probably with help from Paulus, handed Natalee over to some drug lord who took her off the island. The cover-up right now is so obvious that it’s clear they’re hiding something big.)
Whatever my ideas, though, we’ve got to start thinking beyond blogs. It’s time for stronger action than our trade show protests … though even the Dutch acknowledge that the boycott has had an impact.
Aruba is a scorpion, to be sure, but it’s exposed on rocks. (Literally and figuratively.) If we work together, we can smash it.
So let’s figure out how to do it.
BTW, reading some of the disgusting posts here makes me think that Joran and Daddy ran right to post their BS on this forum.
Thats where you are wrong Scott they are not covering up for these three idiots. Or atleast not these three idiots( ugly, horny, stupid Idiots might I add) these three are the middleman to something much more dark and much more corrupt than we all can fathom. Its aruba’s crime there covering up for the boys just got caught doing what aruba curaco and all the other crappy places do.
Klootwyk,
I see history is not your forte.
Mos repeated what was said before … prosecution is possible without a body. Why not do it?
Very mature Arabuan Cesspool, very mature. Did I not say I want the killer caught too? Just pointing out that some bloggers on here have nothing intelligent to add except “kill them” “shoot them” and “bomb them” etc. That is really a shame because Dutch – American relations go way back and are pretty strong. 2 US presidents where even from Dutch ancestry. Lighten up! Have a look at http://www.giveusbacknewyork.com Greetings from a Dutch citizen happily living in the Land of Golden Opportunities.
Kloot=Paulus,,,,I notice the name used, that name was used in reference to Natalee’s mom
#141
In the first place – I’m not American. Alright?
Second – thanks for the information.
Third – Next time, try the decaf.
#136 Dan in Tx on December 7th, 2007 4:32 pm
They did ask the dutch to take over you idiot and look what happened. As for the FBI you idiot they don’t have the jurisdiction to do so.
I don’t know what bragging about what kind a car you drive has anything to do with this. WHO CARES!!!!!!
And the biggest joke of all what the HeLL do you know about the staus aparte!!!! Do you even know what it means and I think deep down you really want to live there. It’s ok you can do that don’t be ashamed to admit it.
Just keep driving your 2008 piece of crap and pay your college fee and leave the people of Aruba alone. They don’t bother you so I suggest you do the same IDIOT!!!!!!
#39 erik: you feed off American money like you do your father and your mother’s c@ck.
> Aruban Cesspool on December 7th, 2007 4:43 pm
>
> Otto and Fin have been added to
> the Most Wanted list.
Why? Because I linked to this linear line?
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=USD&to=EUR&amt=1&t=2y
#152 stoney on December 7th, 2007 4:53 pm
Offcourse Stoney, it’s all a big cover -up. Stop watching so many Hollywood movies and being Stoned STONEY hahahahaha. You probably got the munchies now to,while you try to figure this whole big CONSPIRACY out!!!!! whoooooooooo
Come on dude are you serious what a joke. Stop listening to the media so much and think fot your self.
# 134 – Thanks Otto.
YOY TROLLS can say whatever you want, one day this will happen to a loved one of yours. You see what goes around comes around. I feel sorry for you all, cause you cant even SPELL. You are all PATHETIC…LOSERS condemded to HELL. Sleep tight you fools, cause your VOLCANIC ASHE WILL SINK…and then maybe the corrupt IDIOTS running SATANS ISLAND will go to the NETHERLANDS…
what an AH
@ Vicky # 163
> YOY TROLLS can say whatever you want, one day this
> will happen to a loved one of yours. You see what
> goes around comes around.
Are you stating you are planning to do a crime?
Not many murders in Aruba, so not good at investigating one hmmm as quoted from someone up above. Don’t you think though if someone who has been a co-worker and worked for the govt and the people now investigating them, then an outside group should be brought in to avoid appearances of bias and conflicts of interest right from the start? That’s just of the many things that makes this smell so bad.
#149 – Not knowing how he knows about Aruban waters and maybe he was just speaking in general terms, but Dr. Bawden being interviewed said that if Natalee’s body is where they suspect it to be, then due to the depth and the likely lack of animal life at that same depth, that her body should be relatively undisturbed. Meaning, it will render forensic evidence.
No legal system will work if the officers of the court are indeed corrupt and in league in a cover up of a crime. That this occurred in Aruba has been voiced by people as diverse as Mike Walsh to Dr Phil. Many people have voice the opinion that inept and stupid can go only so far and that corrupt becomes the answer for Aruba. International travel is based upon a lot more than some currency value change. It would take a truly major change to effect travel especially concerning how competitive the industry is and how many deals can be found for destinations.
Aruba as an economic entity has been greatly injured. Not only is their principal source of income gone into recession, but their change in tax policy though able to assist temporarily to balance their budget in the long run will stunt the economic growth further.
The legal system in Aruba has some positive attributes but also contains one huge negative in that it removes the value for one member of a conspiracy to turn on the others. The individual gains nothing and loses the same as the others. Probably more so as the stay in prison becomes more dangerous.
The individuals involved are now targets for people of opportunity. Their celebrity status is based upon the dubious distinction of having committed a terrible crime. That status not only gives them no protection but makes them targets with large bulls eyes on them. There is money for anyone that can persuade them to give up the information that they hold. Once the information is extracted their lives are of negative value.
#92 Werner,
You are dumber than Jurine if you think that SOB is embarrassed about anything. There is a big difference between embarrassed and proud.
#163 Vicky,
Take a Vallium. Relax you will have a nervous breakdown. What’s the problem can’t handle the fact that not everyone agrees with you. Well sorry to bring it to you but that is reality. By the way it can’t sink it’s higher than the sea level. hahahahahaha
Remember Vicky take it easy it’s okay that not everybody has the same point of view than you. Isn’t that what America is all about.
39 Erik. We’ll do our best to make Aruba’s tourism weaker than the U.S. Dollar, which is what Aruba’s economy runs on, btw. Mickey Mouse could buy Aruba 100 times over at least.
49. Katablog. I agree completely. Well said. The whole post.
58. Kloothommel. No, we don’t own the world. But we have freedom of speech and can, on American soil, speak out against corruption, rape, murder and injustice anywhere in the world.
71. Miko. We fussed (and still do) over OJ Simpson. We’re not saying our system is perfect, we speak out about it all the time. Why don’t Arubans?
108. Netherlands. The mall shooting is all over the news.
For all those who are so critical of the U.S., feel free not to come here. In the same way, we will criticize and refuse to go to Aruba. I don’t blame the Netherlands. I realize many are upset, as am I, and are venting here, but I hope all will calm down and turn that adrenaline into something positive. We can make a difference. While I’m not suggesting we drop J4N or Boycott Aruba, I am hoping that we can put our collective strength and numbers together to do some great things. How about –
Perhaps Dana could have Beth on to talk about her Foundation and let us know if we can do anything to help. Goodness knows, the Monkeys have shown they can gather info, spread the word, even do fund raising. So many talented Monkeys! Maybe Dave and Tim Miller also? Wendy Murphy and Stephanie Good have talked about problems with our justice system, and we’ve heard about parents fighting the arrogance of the Japanese courts in child custody cases. Can we each get involved somehow in whatever way our talents and interests lead? Maybe a SM radio show about what Monkeys and Others can do to help in the U.S. and elsewhere to find missing persons, prevent crime, fight corruption and safeguard ourselves and our children. What better tribute to Natalee and her family if we bring our talents together to make a difference.
A 10-day free pass for Joran and the Kalpoes in the beginning,
Think of the forensic evidence that SHOULD HAVE BEEN COLLECTED.
No doubt Great will have Tacopina as a featured guest tonight.
She wont answer my emails, but someone or many of you should ask this.
1. Did Tacopina represent Joran in Aruba? If so he must have credentials to practise law there? If not why does Fox news continue to pimp Tacopina as Jorans lawyer?
Will you have Jorans lawyer from Aruba on?
Or is this a exclusive deal with Tacopina that he will be Jorans mouthpiece in the media.
Send it to her blog and email it to her.
Im curious, are you ?
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SM: Word on the streets is that Joran is on his way to the US. My guess is first stop will be to do an interview with Greta. (klaasend)
167… I’m not an expert in Aruban waters, but I’m generally familiar with the waters around several of the Caribbean islands to the north, as I’m a scuba diver and have dived in those waters many times. I’m not sure what depth her body would have dropped since it would depend on how far out they went… but I would assume it would be at least several hundred feet deep. But sea life exists very deep in the ocean (think of the National Geographics you seen is dark waters well over a thousand feet down – all the strange looking deep-sea creatures … many of those are scavengers since dead animals tend to sink to the bottom if not consumed before they reach there). So she would have had to sank probably thousands of feet to be out of range of a plethora of sea creatures. At those depths it would take very expensive equipment (there are not a lot of deep water subs in world – most are owned by either the military, commercial salvage operations or marine biology institutes like Woods Hole) to scour the bottom at that depth. Plus they would have had to travel a long way from shore (and they probably did) to get her to such depths. That increases the circumference (area within) that must be scanned by an exponentially increasing factor (“pi r squared”) and that greatly increases the unlikelihood of finding her. Finally, the currents in the Caribbean are typically fairly strong and continuous. They are frequently too strong for a diver to swim against and that would be true even if her body sank thousands of feet. Over the past two years it would have been subject to being swept away and/or covered over by silt (think of submerged wrecks off the Atlantic that are sometimes found under many feet of silt). So an exposed body in the vicinity of where it was dropped off seems highly unlikely to me. Most likely there is nothing left but if there is it would be a bigger job than looking for a needle in a haystack. With all due respect to Dr. Bauden (although I didn’t hear precisely what he said).
No doubt Greta will have Tacopina as a featured guest tonight.
She wont answer my emails, but someone or many of you should ask this.
1. Did Tacopina represent Joran in Aruba? If so he must have credentials to practise law there? If not why does Fox news continue to pimp Tacopina as Jorans lawyer?
Will you have Jorans lawyer from Aruba on?
Or is this a exclusive deal with Tacopina that he will be Jorans mouthpiece in the media.
Send it to her blog and email it to her.
Im curious, are you ?
Of Course I meant Greta.
I completely understand status aparte- it means the Netherlands cannot interfere into Aruban matters UNLESS INVITED. Like Mos and his team was.
Hold on…if Aruba couldn’t invite the FBI or anyone else in at the beginning and yet Mos is there now…was Rudy Croes lying when he claimed that had to be an internal affair or did Aruba change its laws while we weren’t looking?
I find it utterly astounding that you think the Dutch screwed it up. If the ALE was so crackerjack, why are we still discussing this over two years later? Because they screwed it up, and Mos was the island’s vaguely-disguised but empty attempt to make us think they really cared.
They’ll care when election time comes and everyone in the welfare lines goes to vote. That is assuming that democracy really exists in Aruba (and that was called into question by the Dutch way back in the late 1980s).
Let me explain my comments about my vehicle and income, friend. I’m not the exceptional American, I’m the rule. As Mr. Stanton comments, economics is more than just money exchange. In fact, according to the January 2008 issue of Travelage West, tourism from the U.S. to Europe is expected to jump this year- despite the falling dollar.
To further explain something YOU obviously do not understand- even if Americans couldn’t afford to travel to Aruba anymore, Aruba would still have to make up the difference from somewhere. Perhaps Venezuelans will fill the gap, where one USD is worth approximately 2100 bolivares. Lotta spending power there.
Another thing you don’t understand that Mr. Stanton does is how competitive the Caribbean is. Aruba isn’t anything special- except, due largely to distance, it is one of the most expensive destinations. A third thing Arubans in general don’t understand is that we demand justice and nobody is going to make us go to Aruba.
Pull your heads out of the sand and face it: your government is corrupt and you’re sleeping with the Devil.
@LilPuma on December 7th, 2007 5:25 pm
1. I have nothing personal against the USA.
2. I don’t mind if you americans feel that corruption stands in the way of justice.
3. I don’t mind that americans boycot aruba for this.
4. I couldn’t care less what happens to Joran van der sloot, for all i care they tos him in an cell with bubba for the rest of his live.
4. I do however hate people that yell hysterical without even taking the effort of finding out how the aruban justice system works, scream that somebody did it without so much an millimeter of evidence, call an entire island corrupt due to the actions of an few people.
Natalee could actually stil be alive for all we know, actually, in the aruban system you only can get an “probably dead statement” after 5 years of being missing.
And for the people now starting to yell that she’s dead, read this story.
http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL0320160620071203?feedType=RSS&feedName=lifestyleMolt
Until they find an body or till she’s found alive we simply don’t know what happend.
justicefornatalee@gmail.com is the email addy…we are coming for you you freakin losers….w will win. In case you dont et the news..we are very effective with boycotts as in NIKE and Ford…thats right.
Nurturer, I have someone who will set up a web page so ppl can see where to go for flyers info..etc. If you email me I will let you in. We all need to work together.we are to NICE. Its time now for action. Cant wait till URINE gets back to Holland and gets drunk again…maybe someone will drug his yard.or maybe he will get it in LIERUBA…ahahahhahahaha,by the way #170- hows your DOG, the one who got hit by the car?????
Will do, Dana. Yes, I’m curious.
I find it hard to believe that Joran would come to the U.S. given Anita’s sniffling shriek the last time about not knowing what this family (the Holloways) will do. I guess those who commit crimes or cover them up expect the same of others.
#125 Scottie
Well I guess YOU need to read some transcripts and watch some interviews. I guess you believe like some of the other garbage over there that she just disappeared? Well then, “Beam me up Scottie”.
Horrible, just horrible.
Carpe, beat that smirk off his face!!
molly in houston
Well: today justice lost. It would have been difficult to accomplish especially
when the foxes control the keys to the hen house.
They think they have won the war; they have only won the first round.
Aruba apparently does not know what is needed to bring an end to it’s recession.
This whole farce is especially difficult to comprehend when Aruba will not even prosecute the suspects for crimes committed against Aruban Statutes.
I guess the only way to teach them until they get it right is to:
Boycott travel to Aruba and the other NA’,s islands.
Boycott any aloe and phosphorous products.
Boycott Valero gas.
Joran has Joey’s Mob buddies as body guards … he is fearless. Does Greta actually think this will be good for her ratings?? Think again Greta…I believe you are on Boycott watch as well.
One point is certainly evident, we and they do not care much for each other. Joran is a freaking idiot if he comes to the US…but come on big goofy geek, step on over if you have the guts. And all of you from wherever you are who don’t like the US, kiss our A$$.
#177 – Agreed. The body is the key to getting some real action in this case.
I guarantee they will get Urine out of Aruba asap. Sloot sr. knows there are folks there that would love to settle other scores with him. Owe anyone for broken windshields, Urine?
@mike
First of all thankx for nominating me for Ahole of the year
. Unfortunatly the year is almost over so i do hope you vote for me next year as well..
One question for you tho
Have you ever been to Aruba or The Netherlands ?
First of all am tottaly not defending the 3 so called supects. But i do think that some of you posting here are clueless.
Yelling for boycotts and bomb the place etc..
How many teenagers disappear in the US without anyone ever gets convicted for it ?
It does not even come in the news anymore.
A girl disapears in Aruba and it is Hot news cause it rarly happens. and even with the population count of aruba VS the US the crime rate is still a lot lower in Aruba.
And for the record, the dutch navy did a sweep with planes and ships 2 years back.. So do not say they did not do anything.
As for the so called cover up’s, this is still a guess and not proven if this is true Joran’s father will eventually get what he deserves.
And boycotting will not work, with this you will only harm the people who got nothing to do with it. And it will definitly not get a conviction out of this.. And if you follow the etire history of teh case you may find that even the FBI made huge mistakes but this is probably news you did not get cause it harms your legal system and that is prolly a definite no no …
@ 184 viet vet:
Gotta frag stuck in your brain?
You remind me of a bumpersticker…
Be nice to americans or we will bring democracy to your country.
@171
At least someone with intellect
..
juan
Speak english?
Jorans life is ruined. That will have to be enough for now. People like Joran get caught. Let it be more Aruba girls for him or maybe a Dutch girl next time. If an American hasn’t got enough sense not to go there after this let them pay the price. I told you it was all smoke and mirrors again, in which it was very evident.
weaver is that fat slob Anita
I think Urine should come stateside. go to college here. see how many beatings he can take before he mans up. pathetic little pr*ck. hide in europe, let it all go “away”….one day someone will throw him a legendary beating. he will never go back to aruba, he knows better. have a nice life knowing that people look at you and think you are a chickensh*t.
Did Mos have his press conference?
Every tourist worldwide should boycott aruba for what they did to this young girl and her family.
Well if Joran is on his way to the States it must mean they have internet on airplanes. He was on line a little while ago, as I just spoke to him.
(klaasend)
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SM: They do have internet on airplanes. Hey Medley, maybe your sporter is coming to visit you? Better hurry and clean the house
#diverboy on December 7th, 2007 6:40 pm
Joran will be back in Arnhem soon, have a drink with lots of his friends, graduate and will find a job here.
Innocent until proven guilty, that’s the way we live in Holland.
I pray he comes and trys to settle in florida. I personally will hunt him down…the UGLY pig…We should contact Beth and see what we can do to help…thats an excellent idea.I have put the word out there…Beth,please contact me at justicefornatalee@gmail.com.
Jorans dirty deeds are welcomed in Aruba but not in the USA… I do hope he comes here and plays the sporter here…. we operate under different game rules sporter. We all will be watching you and our women here will not wink a eye at you when they are reminded you were the last one seen with Natalee Holloway.
#187 Werner,
Don’t worry, you will still get my vote. How many 18 year old dutch girls have gone missing in the US and the investigation been botched or covered up?? That is the ONLY comparison your dumbass is entitled to make.I will wait for your naming of this case in the US. Send your daughter over to the US and maybe someone will return the favor and we will see how you feel then. I don’t know though, she might be the one Jurine raped earlier and she would not press charges because she still loooved him. Talk about a hillbilly…….
I don’t think anybody that can go downtown and walk around with a joint and pick out a prostitute from a storefront window has any room to talk….
And if the boycott is not working why the hell do you keep saying it is not working and we are hurting the good arubans. there are no such things now. they had a chance to speak up and did not, so they deserve what happens now.
177- Kloo,
You posted to look at this:http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL0320160620071203?feedType=RSS&feedName=lifestyleMolt
How are the 2 cases even similar????
Hi Klassend! I honestly do not think Joran is on his way anywhere right now. Probably just another strange rumor.
# Mike on December 7th, 2007 7:07 pm
IMHO, anyone who feels sorry for Natalee, but wishes the same treatment on someone elses daughter, has any room to talk too.
Your last sentence sounds cildish in a mature discussion.
Zoloft
Joran cannot trust ANY of his friends; He cannot trust anyone his age, he has no way of knowing who and who will not “leak information” about his whereabouts, about what he is saying while drunk, about any little thing. Amsterdam is loaded with brothels willing to accommodate the sporter. Maybe, somebody will videotape him. Maybe somebody will tape conversations. Maybe his place of residence will be bugged. Everybody is suspect – even you Zoloft. The ladies and the men. Look out Joran – You will be followed everywhere. Bodyguards? That won’t be fun, will it Joran? Even they can turn on you. Even they can take photos of you. Even they can write books. Employed? Doing what? It’s all about the money – at some point somebody will want more money; then more and more money. This is costing Aruba a lot more than lost tourism. What I have never been able to figure out is WHY?
Hello,
First of all let me say that I have lived on Aruba for quite some time in the last few years but now living in Holland again. While being on Aruba I’ve noticed that most inhabitants dont really give a f*** what happens to Joran, they just want to see the mystery solved. Don’t get me wrong, just like you guys, everybody’s talking about it and making funny theories which make me laugh.. Hell, maybe there is a cover-up going on for whatever I know.. But let me tell you just 1 thing, the Arubian people dont have anything to do with it! So stop talking shit like bombing the place or boycot it, because then you are hurting innocent human beings who try to make a living, which therefore makes you no better than the possible perpetrators.
And for all you clue-horny people, here’s one:
Isnt it strange that Natalee was reported missing quite some time after her girlfriends were back in the USA?! I mean, who would go on a plane, leaving their friend behind? this also seems extraordinary and difficult to explain, but then again, many things are..
doei!
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SM: Natalee was reported missing BY her girlfriends prior to them leaving for the airport. (klaasend)
@ #197 zoloft
indeed thats how it works, and he might be even be getting rich because he wrote a book about all this and there are a lot of positive feedbacks on at least one webshop(bol.com) selling this book.
This case is not a reason to argue over WWII, American foreign and/or economic policy, or even the merits of different legal systems. Joran and the Kalpoes should have been suspicious under any legal system on earth. Innocent people do not behave the way they did. Even assuming one were ill-mannered enough to leave a foreign drunk girl on a beach in the wee hours of the morning, upon learning she was missing the next day he would have volunteered all he knew. The Aruban police were at best inept and lackadaisical, and probably something worse – corrupt. Because Paulus had friends in the legal system, and because it is a small island where virtually everyone knows everyone, an impartial observer cannot help but think the boys were given a free pass until the American media began creating pressure by giving a lot of publicity to the case. Today, yes, I think the Arubans want the case solved and life to return to pre-Natalee normalcy, but the damage has been done. The Aruban police allowed any evidence to be destroyed. Perhaps we will never learn the fate of Natalee Holloway, everyone’s idealized girl-next-door. But because of this amateurish, uncaring, incompetent, and probably corrupted investigation, Aruba’s name has been besmirched for a very long time.
Fox news (6:08PM) ANNOUNCED updated startling news or something to that effect by one of the suspects on the Natalee Holloway case…
NOW, I don’t believe it has to do with Joran being released that is not how I interpreted what they said in their news update…
I am standing by for this update will get back to you.
#127 Scott,
No one is blaming the Aruban people. We are talking about the authorities.
How do you explain it when ALE knew that Joran and the Kalpoes (the last persons Natalee was seen with) lied about the Holiday Inn dropoff —then instead of arresting them, ALE arrested two innocent security guards?
That is not just a little “mistake.” No police force could be that dumb, not even ALE.
Nope no news on Fox…major set back Joran was released today the key suspect
reed on December 7th, 2007 3:56 pm
Everybody onAruba knew the color of her pantys and bra.So what??
#206 Miles
We don’t owe Aruba anything. We don’t owe our vacation dollars to them. We work hard for our money and will vacation where we please.
We have the right to stand for justice and to warn other tourists about Aruba.
The blame for a travel boycott lies squarely on the perps and Aruban officials. No one else.
#204,
Learn to read asshole.
I did not wish anything to his daughter. My point is he would feel a hell of a lot different if it happened to HIS daughter. I have 2 daughters that age and I let one go to Mexico on spring break. The difference is you know that you have to be aware of the problems, but they don’t advertise NO CRIME. I guess you do not have crime if it never is posted.
I think you have been taking too much zoloft. You need to switch to prozac.
Yes! finally justice for Joran, and the brothers Kalpoe. They had nothing to do with it and the law proved it. This has been dragged on long enough, and just because some dumb American girl died, all hell had to brake loose for it. I am not laying awake because some white teenage junkie went wild on Aruba and died in the process.
Damn, hundreds of people die or are missing in America, and all you care about is that one girl on Aruba.
In the name of God let it rest. The Dutch people don’t care about Natalee, neither does the rest of the world. This only shows how ignorant you bunch of yankie baboons really are!
This is my 2 cent, if you have any comments please email me.
#215,
You are a joke … you would actually make a comment about the ignorance of others with what you just wrote?
LOL … You sad pathetic soul.
You best hope in life nothing like this ever happens to you or anyone you care about. Life has a way of evening itself out.
Just how much hate do you actually have in that little troll heart of your?
R
For the record, has any poster from Aruba or Holland ever expressed an ounce of sympathy for just what Aruba has put the Holloway family through, including their outlandish (and totally unproven) statements accusing Natalee of her own death, accusing Beth and Jug of wanting her to disappear for money, spiriting her off the island on and hospital plane, etc.?
I’ve only seen the comments like we’ve witnessed today – ugly, attacking and declaring there is no evidence even though we all know that Joran actually confessed to the crime! Okay, so Aruban law made the statement inadmissible because he was questioned after hours – but don’t deny that it happened! So it can’t be entered in court, but please don’t try to convince us that because of the law not admitting the statement, Joran didn’t do the crime. We know he did and anyone with half a brain knows it too.
How on earth do you believe you are in any way representing your country or Aruba with the awful things you say?
Not all Americans are caught in subprime loans. Many of us used sensible financing within our budgets and have plenty of money for travel and vacations. Heck, we just got back from a 21 day cruise to the Caribbean (nope, didn’t go to Aruba) and are strongly considering a 14 day trip over the holidays. Unfortunately the only openings on cruises are ones going to Aruba – wonder why that is??? Could it be that Americans don’t want to go to Aruba and rightfully so?
Your hateful spew only endorses that decision to boycott One Crappy Little Island.
As to the boycott, we should all keep in mind that even a single digit reduction in hotel guests can make the difference between profit and loss for a hotel. It is in those last few vacant rooms where all the profit lies, as the majority of the rooms cover the fixed and variable expenses. This problem is exacerbated by the fact that because business is down, rooms are heavily discounted, which leads to the possibility that the best they can do is achieve breakeven.
So all this boils down to the fact that the current decline in Aruba tourism can and probably has had huge ramifications. And then the whole house of cards starts to come down…a few cuts in staff to make up the shortfall, leading to shoddier hotel service on one hand, and growing island unemployment on the other. Not a good combination!
As for Joran, his time will come. It may not come today, or tomorrow, or next year, but the day will come when he will make a slip, however small, and then HIS house of cards will come down. There is no such thing as a perfect crime, and certainly not with these idiots. Someone, somewhere will get the proverbial wedge between them, and then they will all turn on each other.
>> If the water search is successful (again, American volunteers are doing the duty of the Dutch and Arubans … is anyone surprised at that?), that will force Aruba’s hand … at least, I don’t see how it wouldn’t.
@Katablog
Ofcourse he confessed, I would confess to if I was being interrogated hours after hours, just so that they would stop and that you can have some rest. Hell I would even confess that I went back in time and shot Kennedy, if they asked me.
Meh, whatever I am still going to Aruba and going to spend some hard Euros hehehe
Didn’t print all my comment:
My comment to the water search is that I’d not be surprised if Aruba stops it from happening and if for some reason they allowed it, they would seize any evidence found and make it “disappear” like all the rest of the evidence turned over to them.
Does anyone know why these 3 were at the police station early in the morning of the day Natalee became missing. There is definitely a reason why! But they will never tell us.
Inu: we saw those awful questions they interrogated Joran with like “what is your name” and “what did you do that night” – oh, okay, questioning all done.
You put your life in the hands of very corrupt people if you go to Aruba, but help yourself!
@221
I would be very suprised if they found anything after 2 years.
I am placing a bounty on the head of Inu
@225
Oh noes, a yank placed a bounty on my head. Are you going to pay bountyhunter in cold, hard Euros, or in that useless piece of cotton toiletpaper you Americans call a dollar
So the fat lady sang….shoot her!
@Katablog
Hey I am Dutch, the only thing they are going to do to me is worship me like a god. And as we say in Netherlands, je hebt stijl of je hebt geenstijl, in English: you have style or you have no-style.
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Joran isn’t concerned about meeting his maker…he doesn’t even know who that is!
Actually That dumbass prosecuter did get Natalees case a back on television, but he destroyed any chance Aruba had redeem it self.
I’d have more fun playing twiddle de winks than visiting Aruba!
BOYCOTT FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#81 minnesota dad Agree with you 100%. And if you look at the American attorney that is “defending” his son, it makes it alot easier to connect some of the dots. I guess we know what element is running this island. I think there must be alot of “business interests” being protected. But that’s just my opinion.
First off, I don’t think it’s helpful to bring up World War II. I mean, after all ….
As for the trolls who are coming here with their nyah-nyah-nyah thumbing of their Aruban and Dutch noses … believe it or not, some of us on this forum have dedicated years of effort to fighting the obvious cover-up on Aruba. And I don’t think we’re in the mood to hear your childish prattle.
So do us all a favor and stay away, OK?
I don’t think for a moment that any of the van der Sloots will be coming to the U.S. They can frequent Aruba, the Netherlands and similar refuges for the slime of the earth ….
The impetus to boycott Aruba is stronger than ever. Even the Dutch (if you believe them) admitted that the boycott has had a major impact on Aruba.
And if the Dutch close the case and then Natalee’s body is found ….
LOL. The most amusing thread I have ever read!!!
The Dutch are striking back!! LOL
(Tsjonge! Jullie hebben de Amerikanen wel zo’n beetje overbluft!)
Now serious: Very sad what happened to Natalee and believe me Aruba and Netherlands want this case to be solved. As we all know the case was botched from the beginning due to incompetence of the investigators that time. Aruba was not used and prepared to handle disappearing cases of such magnitude with all its consequences.Please try to understand: Aruba did not cover up for the 3 boys! Joran and Kalpoes are nobody in Aruba. Also the FBI were involved not leading the case but they were involved.
Everybody wants the case to be solved. Unfortunately that is not the case (yet)
For those boycotting Aruba: Do you know we are having a better tourist season comparing to last year? So go figure out if your boycott is really working!
Aruba boy … you are an idiot.
Anything greater than “ZERO” is an improvement. Of course at some point something has to get better. If you think that is something to be proud of you are truly a fool. Would you like to have a lesson in economics? Why do you think your own people are saying that Aruba is too dependent upon tourism? DUH!!!
What you do not understand is that myself and my parents were actually like tourist zero back in the 70′s. Trust me, I will never advise anyone to go to an island that treats people like this.
Does the independent boycott work of people’s free choice work ,,, YOU BET IT DOES. Otherwise, imps like you would not be complaining and making a reference to it.
R
# 228 … “Hey I am Dutch, the only thing they are going to do to me is worship me like a god.”
Just what does it feel like to be an idiot 24-7? You sad pathetic soul of a person.
GEEZ … what it must be like to have the unfortunate reality of being your shoes.
R
Arubaboy: this was NOT just police incompetence though indeed I believe the Aruban investigators are incompetent after hearing a few on TV.
This was indeed an out right cover-up. Okay, so the boys are nothing in Aruba – we believe you. Why then the cover-up? Why does the same judge who stays at the van der sloot house get to rule in a case involving their son? Why was Joran’s godfather investigating the case only to be replaced by the Kalpoes cousin?
If you call allowing our FBI to observe certain parts of the case but not open their mouths “involvement” then, yeah okay, they were “involved”.
What about the police chief, Van der Stratten, who said ‘Natalee was murdered. (How do you know?) ‘Because I have seen the evidence and you haven’t'? This was a coverup. The early interrogations were not even written down. The boys confessed, but the chief gave his friend’s boy a pass. Joran isn’t ‘a sporter.’ He is a murderer. And the Arubans let him get away with it.
ORANJESTAD – Joran of of the ditch became vanmiddag – after fence of this editie – released from the Korrektie institute Aruba (KIA) where he since 24 November has been stuck again on suspicion of doodslag in 2005, on the American scholiere Natalee Holloway. The rechter-commissaris indicated today the request of the Public Prosecution Service for a lengthening from its provisional detention. Just like at the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were already released last Saturday, the rechter-commissaris had to be objections on the basis of the present sentence file. The ` new proof on basis of which it Public Prosecution Service justified lengthening and as a result of which the 20 person whose birthday it is Joran at least 60 days longer in the prison would have had, remain, appeared therefore not sufficient. The Public Prosecution Service (OM) the decision ` had expected then these slightly yielded also the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to house could. “the file for Joran was the same such as for the two other”, react Hans suspected mos, chief public prosecutor. “the decision gives substance to to reflect concerning a definite decision-making.” Soon, in any case for 31 December, he takes a decision or he dismisses the case or concerns to prosecution of suspected. PROFESSION MEANINGLESS By the decision these Public Prosecution Service an appeal against the judgement of the rechter-commissaris ` meaningless of the common Court of Justice – nonsuit of the profession against the vrijlating of the brothers Kalpoe – it yielded finds. So far there is no direct proof that Holloway came for living by violence. Justice admits that no body has been found, but sees that as an obstruction to reach a condemnation. According to lawyer Ariean the Bie, the parents of Joran have been relieved and lively concerning the vrijlating of their zoon. FAILURE See the news concerning the vrijlating of Joran, which two was transmitted weeks from its place of residence in the Netherlands by means of Curaçao to Aruba, was immediately everywhere and hear. Generally the idea is that this ` failure have been conducted for arubaanse Public Prosecution Service, by temporary Procurator-General Nico Jörg and chief public prosecutor mos. It the second time that Joran on free feet is is put. Also in 2005, then Natalee Holloway by the end of May disappeared, zat he for a long time in voorarrest. After its vrijlating two years suffered he took up the wire of its life and will study in the Netherlands. Joran and the brothers Kalpoe were apprehended on 21 November because of ` new proof that a research team existing arubaanse and Dutch inspectors this year above water will have obtained. Joran were apprehended for this in the Dutch city arnhem where he was in September 2005 will study, flat after he had been released for the first time in the matter holloway. He is stuck months then almost three as a head hoofdverdachte of among others assassination and verkrachting of the American teenager. After largely a year of reasonable anonymity, the adjournment came previous month as a large, unpleasant surprise for Joran. Datzelfde applied to the brothers Kalpoe. The lawyers put however already direct their doubts at the ` new facts on basis of which it Public Prosecution Service had required the adjournment of the triad. It was already rapidly confessed that this ` new proof came on the basis of revision on the basis of the old file. Indications which shortly after the beginning of the disappearance of Holloway insufficiently or had not been selected, such as tel.-tapering, had not been again examined. The lawyers of Kalpoe-broers freed already rapidly confessed that the new proof would exist nevertheless no longer included than 12 pages that moreover ` 90-95 per cent from old proof. Public Prosecution Service tried in the meantime koste what costs suspected from each other to keep to occur that them would invent an in balance tale, like at their first adjournment two years was also suffered had happened. As from their adjournment they were interrogated directly intensively moreover and were faced with especially contradictory declarations which they had taken off rather. It has not been confessed or these verhoringen have had result still only. For the rechter-commissaris the ` indirect proof were not in any case sufficient as a result of which after 17 days the last verdachte in the holloway matter has been again put on free feet.
Amigoe translated with babelfish
INU
@Katablog
Hey I am Dutch
…
Yeah, we picked up on that quickly, because
you are such an enflamed nut pucker with your
a$$ UP on your shoulders. Hey, can’t you go f’n
wax up your clogs or sumpin’??? I have 1 nerve
left, and you’re on it.
…
http://tinyurl.com/2k8X2c
-j4n
Americans are soooo self absorbed….
Okay its awfull to lose your daughter, if something bad happened to natalee, i’d wish it didnt.
Why is it that you guys are so convinced Joran is guilty?? Based on what facts??
Incompetence of the aruban system/police??
RE: #216
WELL SAID R & SM!!!!
#215,
You are a joke … you would actually make a comment about the ignorance of others with what you just wrote?
LOL … You sad pathetic soul.
You best hope in life nothing like this ever happens to you or anyone you care about. Life has a way of evening itself out.
Just how much hate do you actually have in that little troll heart of your?
R
EXACTLY!!!
ARROGANCE BREEDS IGNORANCE & IGNORANCE BREEDS ARROGANCE…
Inu, arubaboy, JK2 etc… you are PATHETIC!!
J4N
Inu…..what’s a matter…can’t find your rock!
#235 SM: Your insults don’t bother me. Face it: if the boycott is really working the numbers of tourists should keep declining. Last year was a bad year but it was not ZERO. Tourism is picking up this year. Period! A new hotel chain opened in Aruba, RIU from Spain. We are getting more and more tourists from Europe and will compensate those from USA. Also more tourists from South America are coming.
Anyway GOOD LUCK with your boycott.
Let’s make a deal. You Arubans and Dutch stay in your own country and we will stay in ours. Let the Europeans and S. Americans have Aruba. My vacation money will go elsewhere.
Every year hundreds of girls disappear without a trace in Europe and the America’s, so what makes Natalee soo very special?
Re: #228
@Katablog
Hey I am Dutch, the only thing they are going to do to me is worship me like a god. And as we say in Netherlands, je hebt stijl of je hebt geenstijl, in English: you have style or you have no-style.
Could someone please post any one of the those images from that flickr site of F’in!!ugly JVS, K2, Freddie, PVS and all…. with the caption
“I AM RESPONSIBLE”
or
“CDC CONFIRMS DENGUE FEVER IN ARUBA”
J4N!!
Based on what facts?
The fact that he lied. The fact that his story has changed over and over. The fact that he can’t tell who if anyone gave him a ride home that night. The fact that his father said, “no body, no case”. The fact that his time line does not add up at all. The fact that no one can tell if he went to school the next day. The fact that a normal person would help look for the girl he was with the night before.
I have a feeling that Joran would be more than welcome in Arkansas
Wayne DuMond, a decorated Vietnam veteran, handyman and father of six, was convicted in August 1985 of the rape of a 17-year-old cheerleader from Forrest City, Arkansas. The girl was the daughter of a prominent Arkansas mortician and a distant cousin of former president Bill Clinton. On March 7, 1985, while free on bond awaiting trial, DuMond was savagely attacked. Matt Stearns of The Kansas City Star stated in a June 2001 article that two masked men broke into his Forrest City house, “armed with a handgun, a razor blade and fishing wire.” They “hogtied him and forced him to perform oral sex on one of them” and then “castrated him with the fishing wire and the razor blade,” it was further reported.
Just had a look at one of the AP photos of the Sporter in a car with his daddy this morning, after his release.
The scumbag looks as if he’s trying to grow a beard.
The photo of the little piece of Dutch garbage with the smirk on his face ought to be published in every Aruban newspaper. Not to mention that it should be given to the judge (friend of his Daddy) who ONCE AGAIN let him and the Kalpoes out.
Hey, Arubans, what do you think the Sporter thinks of YOU and your police? You think we Americans think you’re stupid and worthless (and we DO) … your own little master class of Dutchies who rule over you seem to think you’re a bunch of inept clowns (and you ARE).
But don’t worry, Arubans, you’re expendable if your Dutch overseers need to make you the fall guys. If it hadn’t been for the Americans, Beth in particular, the two security guards would have been convicted.
Hope you like your Dutch masters, Arubans. Because you’re going to be begging to them to feed you, with the tourists all gone … and judging from the comments of the Dutch trolls here, even THEY can’t stand you.
I can’t resist posting a verse from a song I wrote a while back, to the tune of the Beatles’
“What would you do if I sang out of tune?”:
Joran: You can be sure that my daddy knows best
When he says ‘No body means no crime.’
Kalpoes: You and your daddy are one and the same,
Two pieces of criminal slime.
#249 Sherry, that is excellent, so dry and funny!
JK2, you may be out of prison, but you are NOT FREE……
J4N!!!
as the saying goes:
“If you aint dutch you ain’t much.”
that about sums up this case.
shame on all of you involved in the coverup.
ITS NOT THAT NATALEE IS SO SPECIAL,ITS THAT YOU ARUBAN/DUTCH ARE SUCH LOWLIFES.
#251
“I get by with a little help from my friends….”
Meaning, millions upon millions of friends for Justice for Natalee.
J4N!!!!!!!
The answer to Natalee does not reside in Aruba. It lies with the Dutchies in Da Netherlands.
Boycott The Netherlands.
A few products
Philips
Norelco
Royalties from every DVD you purchase
Lumileds LEDs
Heineken
Tom Tom GPS
Amstel Brewery
IKEA
Royal Dutch Shell
Unilever
Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream
Hellman’s myaonaise
I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter
Imperial Margarine
Karo Syrups
Lipton Tea
Popsicle
Ragu
Skippy Peanut Butter
Slim Fast
Wish-Bone Salad Dressing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_companies
It’s all about money.
Now, do you all really want to do something about this or are you just making conversation?
From the Antarctic Secret Undergound Bunker,
Saorise
P.S. The Queen Bee & Family Inc have ties to a Nazi past. Look it up.
P.S.S. Have you hugged a penguin today?
Aruba..you just stuck a hot poker in your eye. Chavez is at your door. No happy trails for you!
The Dutch are done with you and rightfully so! Poverty island infested with drugs and disease. Known criminals live and operate! A stink hole!!!!
you idiots that are hazing the US need to wake up. our system is not perfect, you cite the OJ case. as sad as the outcome was, at least the police presented evidence and jury of peers got to decide. a mistake? yes, but do not compare a trial by jury to this circus. our boycott will crush aruba, right or wrong, our currency speaks volumes. you jealousy will get you no where. WE ARE AMERICANS and we stand together. good luck on Aruba without us…cause we’re out.
No Jurine is not free, sure he’s not behind bars where he belongs before he hurts someone else but those bars would’ve protected him…..ensured his safety. Though the van der scum’s think they’ve won all they really did was put him *out there* with a big bullseye on the back of his goonish head. The whole family must now look over their shoulder for the rest of their pathetic lives and thats a punishment much worse than a couple of years in prison. Just when you think nobody cares anymore or forgotton Natalee & relax, that is the day you’re gonna get it.
It’s a shame that both the Netherlands and Aruba is saying their tourism is down and affected by the Natalee Holloway case since as Arubaboy tells us, everything is wonderful on One Crappy Little Island. We just bet your hotels are brimming with unsuspecting tourists! Ha Ha what a joke. Again, why are the only cruises still available the ones that go to Aruba? Why did Carnival Cruises pull out of Aruba (hit: intelligence). Why are the trolls out in such force if all is well in Aruba? Why are they bothering to spit venom at those who call for a boycott if the boycott isn’t working?
If you thought your numbers were down before, give it 3 months (some unfortunate souls may have booked ahead of time) after this last fiasco of bringing the news to the USA front and center again about the one crappy little island.
I said it before; I’ll say it again. Stick a fork in Aruba – its cooked!
Kudos to Bill O’Reilly who made the statement on his show tonight—
‘Arubans are so amazingly inept, it is staggering”
SHAME ON YOU ARUBA!
arubaboy offerred this gem:
“Also more tourists from South America are coming.”
——————————————
aruba-boy, get a clue. Those people from south america aren’t tourists. They are Chavez’ people
doing a little reconnaisance beofore the big military invasion. Which will happen soon, as aruba sinks and slides into the depths. No one will come to help you.
I don’t know about you guys, but, obviously; this judge shouldn’t have been ruling on this case, in the first place. He, too, is part of the cover up as it was him that was staying at the Van der Sloots the day that he signed a court order to search the Sloot residence on the bench; before driving to the Sloots, beating the police, and changing his warrant to exclude all the property except Joran’s apartment.
How’s this for justice? Bring in an impartial judge to sign a search warrant… AND have him stay with the Sloots, the very family the search warrant is to be served?
NO WONDER HE WANTED THESE MEN FREE!!!!
HE WANTS TO KEEP THE CAN OF WORMS EMPTY…
NOW, IS THE TIME TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY FIGHTING
POWER FOR THE PEOPLE?
ARUBA?
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR ATTORNEY
SHOULD DO?
I SAY APPEAL!
Everyone knows that there were judges and ALL of Van der Sloots friends, and church members that ran to his rescue. But if he doesn’t smell a RAT… then he’s one of them.
The judges ruling should be REVIEWED!
AND
OVERTURNED!
So if he doesn’t even have the backbone to try, how is he going to get past a corrupt, most probably flesh-eating monster, who is partially responsible for Natalee’s death?
I mean, He CAN’T be SERIOUS????
He knows what this Judge SMID did…
IF he does nothing…
HE IS NOTHING!!!!!
WE SHALL SEARCH THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
Anyone from Aruba who cannot admit that their government is corrupt is out of their minds and are ready for the funny farm. Constantly quoting O.J. Simpson as an injustice is overlooking the fact that the State of California did their job. They were out there collecting blood drops, performing autopsies and doing their best to prosecute the guilty. It was not our government that was at fault in the case of O.J. Simpson, it went to trial.
What has Aruba done? In the case of Natalee Ann Holloway, they have done nothing, but look the other way…. ignoring the bleeding out of the “Lamb”, ignoring the family and looking the other way. They have assisted the perpetrators of the crime against Natalee and have obstructed any possibility of her getting justice. They have stood by while her body was found and allowed it to be bagged up and placed in a water basin, just like all the others…
They allowed Natalee’s body to be delivered to the Sloots house via a furniture truck, just like the others, returned to their donor. Killing women and children, boys or girls; is nothing new to Aruba; they’re Indians… ANCIENT TRIBE that has parked itself on the HIGH end of Government. Legally, sorta, importing people to be killed… virgins. Or people that have chosen good over bad on the cocaine fields of Columbia…
Kidnapped, Captured and killed to be eaten.
AT A FESTIVAL!!!!
every month… as the moon is sleeping.
.
BEAT THE DRUMS, Aruba
LIGHT the FIRES
AND DANCE!
.
Why would you cover that up?!?!?!
According to the words of the Prime Minister of Aruba, Nelson Oduber, to keep from ruining the reputation of 97,000 people.
How does the death of one girl effect the
reputation of a whole island of people?
Arawak…
The very best thing that we could do for Natalee is to let her truth be known. Let EVERYONE see what the people of Aruba did to an American girl during a festival in celebration of The Arawak Nation. Embarrass all 97,000 of them with the truth while making our own people aware that the practice of “Human Sacrificing” is not only acceptable, but is expected of the people of Aruba.
Embarrassment, indeed:
Is that what he calls it
while he PERMITS
cannibalism.
Don’t know about you, but…
I’ll pass on Aruba!
It should be cut off from the WORLD!!!!!
.
Boycott!!
So…
Queen Bea:
I don’t know what you’d call that?
A major SCREW up?
or a major F*** up?
.
Justice for Natalee!
P.S. The Queen Bee & Family Inc have ties to a Nazi past. Look it up.
So had the family Bush,
Bush’s grandfather helped Hitler’s rise to power.
They made money on the concentration-camps,
They helped the nazi’s by thinking up the Endlösung.
And about keeping the US dollars out of Aruba,
the dollar isn’t mucht worth anymore, think they rather have 1 euro insteed of 2 dollars. And the US has an incredible foreign debt, without the money coming out of Europe the US would be bankrupt.
But this is all besides the matter,
I think Joran knows more than he tells,
but thank God we believe that someone is Innocent until proven Guilty, and not putting someone on the chair because we think he could be lying.
The Death penalty is in my opion not very civilised, but what do you aspect from countries like; Afghanistan, Chad, Iran, Iraq, Korea, Libya, Mongolia, Qatar, Syria, Tajikistan and the US.
You can make up all the stuff you want, doesn’t change the facts of this case.
Straten made the comment, he thought Natalee was dead, he saw the evidence early June 2005.
No body searches, no home searches, no car searches, no separating these 3 and interrogating them for 10 days.
Arresting 2 black security guards who had alibis, and cops knew from watching security tapes a day after Natalee disappeared, that Natalee didn’t return.
All getting in a car and going on a wild goose chase away from the Sloots that night instead of the cops or Paulus saying get home, the cops are here.
Straten on the case and he worked with Paulus for years and was friends. Straten seen going into Jacobs office and talking to him after he was taken off the case. The prime minister saying Straten was not to be on this case. The prime minister saying he was sick of this case.
Pages and pages of lies in police statements from these suspects. All conflicting statements. I said it before will say it again. The lie about the Holiday Inn was not a lie of ,,, I felt bad about leaving her on the beach so I said I took her to the Holiday Inn.. It was we drove to the Lighthouse she was drunk falling asleep off and on while I was fondling her, she wanted to see sharks and made racial comments, she fell when she got out and hit her head, she shoved Joran. Two black security guards got her. They then went on to watch 2 guards woke up at dawn and have their homes searched and arrested where they let them sit in jail and never said no different. Nothing has changed the fact that Natalee was last seen leaving Carlos N Charlies with these 3 and has never been seen again.
Not one of them went out looking for Natalee, they were all together making up more stories, conveniently Paulus was always around.
Everyone in the group all knows each other or related or friends? Conflicts of interest out the whazoooo..
No evidence they were ever at the beach. No evidence to back up anything they say about Natalee once they left Carlos N Charlies. No shoes, 10 days of saying she was at the Holiday Inn and if she had been left on the beach, time lost. None are saying I hope she’s found alive, it would clear us. Instead they are saying without a body, they have no case, the day after she disappears. You would think they would all be out looking and hoping that she was found alive, nope…not once, never..
Once more people saying no evidence of them not doing anything, DUH! You have to collect evidence, to have some. The car washed for ants or was it sand? Why not take the car that night? Why not check it? Why was it parked at the police station the next morning, when Deepak says he went home? Never evidence, when it’s covered up.. Any logical person, would know the last 3 seen with a missing person would be the first NUMBER 1 target to question, not 2 black guys who didn’t even know Natalee. Not even guards of the Holiday INN no less..
You have to be blind not to see the lies made up by some of the people in Aruba about the victim, Natalee Holloway, Not that girl as Anita called her or she’s just one girl.. Natalee Holloway was an 18 year old girl with a family and friends who loved her. Ex.. VietVet above, you can hear the hurt in his posts and how this has devastated him and her family. You don’t see the nights after nights of coming home to an empty room and chair and the missing voice of your child and the heartache. Instead you show up here with more big lies about tourism and bs. When you know if this was your family member you would feel the same way as others do about these 3 and as Deepak said , wanting to throw an investigation off, so he said Natalee put her hands down his pants. How sick to say that about a missing girl..
When a person isn’t convicted of a crime, it don’t mean they are innocent except in a court of law. People’s opinions don’t change from that. Just as they didn’t change about OJ.
These 3 suspects put themselves where they are over and over.. when they decided to frame 2 men for kidnapping and murder, lie about where Natalee was, lie to countless policemen, lie on national tv, lie to the prosecutor, lie about Natalee’s condition, lie to Jug right off when Joran said, I don’t know her, after being shown her picture, trash a girl who didn’t nothing to them at all and not go look for her, go to a bar a half hour before closing time and move in on 1 girl, gambling and drinkng underage alone and with the father, stories of his seeing a shrink for his anger and stealing, saying each other raped and buried Natalee, the parents lying on tv, the prosecutor saying the parents interfered with the investigation.
People can boycott anything and any place they damn well please. It’s like going to a restaurant and being served bad food. If the restaurant laughs at the victime and makes bad comments about the victim and refuses to do anything about the problem, they have every right to boycott it.
Stop with they myths Natalee took a space ship, floated on flying saucer, ran away etc. You can wait 20 years and Natalee will be just as dead as she was on the night she disappeared.
They say common sense is the most underemployed thing in the world and I can believe it. It’s beyond nuts. I would gladly keep some of our money in the USA, we give to much of our hard earned tax dollars away the way it is. Help some people here.
If anyone could sit back and look at this and think this isnt one of the most bizarre things they have ever watched, they must be living in the twilight zone already.
Maybe you americans should pay more attention to you inland problems instead of focusing on problems on Aruba. Very sad story about Ms. Holoway, but what about your sons and daughters dying for the oil and weaponslobby overseas in Iraq, Afghanistan, and god knows where else? Better put your energy in getting them safe back home!
Hey Inu,
Please post your e-mail. I would like to e-mail you. I really would prefer your name, address and phone number.
Rene, You are right. Hopefully they will stop by aruba for a little R&R at Chavez & Carlos and hopefully meet your new mascots there.
A solid question/…why were they all at the police station that morning…was it because they already found Natalee and knew who she was with!!!
Rene!
Go sell your condolences somewhere else…
It’s not over… ’til it’s over!
And, it ain’t over, yet!
.
Boycott, Aruba!
.
Yeah, they speak of Nazi’s alot.
That; and, among the Arawaks, The English
Free Masons, supporting slavery.
And
Aruba BRAGS that it doesn’t
have many Abarigini’s left.
.
I wonder WHY?!?!?!?!?
This is the last time i’m gonnan say this :
If Joran was put on trial with this evidence then he would have never ever been convicted, and as you cannot be dragged to trial twice for the same crime he would be free for good.
They even couldn’t drag him back on trial when they would find an smoking gun in the hands of Joran AFTER the trial.
It’s that plain and simple, trial him now and he walks for good.
Somebody yelled convict him for rape, that would be quite difficult cuz for an rape charge you need either an victem that reports him to the police or an body with evidence of rape, cuz neither is present that would not be possible.
P.S.
75% of the hotels on Aruba are owned by company’s that are based in the US, so if you wanna boycot youre own company’s, be my guest.
I also noticed, especially in the picture of him in the car wearing the green shirt, that
Joran has a
VERY FLAT FORHEAD
The Arawak mothers put irons to their baby boys
heads to cause the forhead to be flattened.
WHAT PART OF THE PERSON,
DOES THE FRONTAL LOBE EFFECT?
and
ESSENTIALLY BE STUNTING THE GROWTH
OF A PART OF YOUR BABY’S BRAIN?
Certainly, one would HAVE to be effected!
Correction!!!!!
That should be
FOREhead…
As in BEFORE.
Paulus has one, too;
but it looks like his
head grew around it.
I wonder if that’s what
keeps this sick religion going?
.
Such a creepy thing… brain damage.
I just got me the prettiest
red corvette you ever did see!
VRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrum
I’m Happy!
Free At Last!!!!!
.
BOYCOTT ARUBA…
til the FAT LADY sings……..
.
Queen Bea?!?!?!?
Not that you’re fat…
But, I think, it’s YOUR turn.
.
Justice for Natalee!
By the way, all your criticism on the justice of aruba; remember OJ Simpson?
Why is it that you guys are so convinced Joran is guilty?
…….
…I think it’s because he CONFESSED to the murder of NATALEE HOLLOWAY in June 2005! (SEE AP STORY) Only in Aruba could you find a person so damn crazy f’n cuckoo STUPID to hear a POS like sloot ADMIT TO MURDER, and then have Polis redact it, & call him innocent of any crimes.
One very rarely says I DID IT when they DIDN’T. I mean, it’s not like the A.L.E. uses torture tactics in their interrogations. What is torture for Joran,
did they bring him a day old hoagie & stale chips
to crack him & make him talk???
That 9 foot Herman Munster lookin’ FRANKEN-PUSSY!!!
Aruba’s cumulative IQ does not amount to jack f’n SQUAT.
You people are like “Special Ed” from Crank Yankers.
“I’m Happyyyyy, yayyyyyyy”
If a horse hauled off and kicked your asses in the head, it could only be considered a major improvement.
Furthermore, let it be known, I think your mother dresses you funny, and it is in your generalllll directionnnn that I should primarily like to do some things.
HO HO HO, Merry f’n Christmas. -j4n
http://tinyurl.com/yor3rj
C’MONNNNNN RV PERSISTENCE!
We need you to come through in a MAJOR WAY…
I know you guys will give it everything you’ve got!
Bring her on home for Christmas, please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAFEn-lTrO0
#182: “Boycott travel to Aruba and the other NA’,s islands.”
Aruba has nothing to do with the other islands of the Netherlands Antilles since 1986.
#264: I must disappoint you. Aruba, as part of the Dutch Kingdom, is also a member of the NATO just like the US (North Atlantic Treaty Organization; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nato ) whereby its member states agree to mutual defence in response to an attack by any external party. An attack on Aruba by Hugo Chavez means that EVEN THE United States should assist in case of an attack. Perhaps YOUR SON may need to fight against Hugo Chavez on Aruba…… And pres. George Bush already considers Hugo Chavez as an enemy, I’m 100% sure he will send troups to Aruba and Venezuela.
Has anyone posting here read any of the hundreds of pages of documentation pertaining to Natalee Holloway? Currently my down loaded documents are over 4 inches thick. My cd’s contain over 300 meg of data and pictures. If you have; keep an open mind and read a little of Dr. Hodges. It is my belief that every character in this human drama gives us a little piece of the puzzle. So instead of crying for blood or being a friggen’ troll here; why not spend some creative time and try and solve this case. I believe it is solvable.
Just as an example; I have always felt that there were hidden cameras in the girls room at the Holiday Inn. Joran confirms that. If you think there was a camera/video involved Satish says so. If you wonder who drugged Natalee’s drink Deepak says so. If you want to know who was there, Jaime and Freddy will tell you. If you want to know what happened at the beach see who was arrested in April last year. If you want to know where Natalee may have been taken, check with Sanders. Is Natalee in the Ocean, no Joran tells us so. If you want to know why Natalee had to disappear see Deepak’s email. Do you want to know where Natalee may be; read Joran’s book.
Is there any helpful evidence; I believe so but you would have to go through hundreds of pictures to find it. I believe it is there.
I believe I have overcomplicated my thoughts. Once you know the players and their relationship; I believe it is solvable.
So poster’s; start coloring outside the lines.
To Pat.
Pat in Alabama on December 7th, 2007 11:11 am
Jerry,
I don’t know what tags or markers you are talking about. Could you please elaborate?
Pat,
I’m sorry. I missed your post. I will address all questions asked. If I don’t then that means I missed it.
These markers exist in the form of newspapers, expiration dates on milk cartoons, discarded letters, junk mail, etc. You simply dig, read, dig, and read. When you get to the layer dated May 30, 2005, you decide how much further you want to go. (Laterally for sure. ) Tim Miller took accurate GPS readings of the area.
This judge who released Joran and the two Ks is a real monkey wrench in the gears.
Jerry
@Mike
Why!? The only reason is that you are going to harass me. I am actually open for conversation, but when yanks go spawning crap like boycotting Aruba because of some girl who is missing. It hits a nerve, because the Arubans aren’t responsible for this situation, heck they are more of a victim in this crap. Anyway, Joran is free, case will be closed and somewhere in the future someone will make a movie out this.
I just heard a very funny detail. During his arrest Joran has said absolutely nothing, and applied his right to say nothing.
Joran was 17 when he was suspected from a crime, which nobody has evidence that he did commit it, so it falls under juvenile court. Since there is absolutely no evidence that Joran or the two Surinamese brothers have anything to do with the dissapearance of Natalee is it CASE CLOSED.
We have some great things cooking at justicefornatalee@gmail.com…come aboard and let the BOYCOTT roll on for real….This is crazy…Im not going to respond to the trolls here. They cant formulate a sentence because their heads are up their behinds…just ignore them. They are whinning idiots. We the PEOPLE will BOYCOTT ARUBA and bring the CORRUPT OFFICALS LIKE DUMPIG to their knees. Guaranteed, the SLIMY SLOOTS will leave the EVIL ISLAND and flee to the NETHERLANDS. The hotels will dry up, the dogs will overtake the place and the MAFIA will leave…maybe than the place can be cleaned up…Ive never in my life seen anything so disgusting…AND THEY STILL RFER TO HER AS “ONE GIRL” dispicable. COME JOIN US IN THE BOYCOTT.
That’s right, Aruba….. screwed. What goes around, comes around. I am so disappointed and my heart is heavy for Dave and Beth who have been strung along for over 2 years. Along with the family, we got our hopes up to only again be disappointed.
I personally think this was just a show before the self-imposed December 31 deadline. Come December, without finding a body or forensic evidence (which is too late for that), all three boys (including Papa perp) will be free to commit atrocities against young women again.
If u want i can found out and publish his new adress, so justice can be done!!
Warning! This is going to be long! Also, I don’t claim to be objective. I believe Joran is guilty as hell, and Paulus is right there with him. So, the whole article is from that frame of mind.
If you think Joran is innocent, and the best thing since toilet paper: don’t read. I don’t want any feedback from you.
This is deep. I mean deep. If you don’t want to search your soul, and maybe do a little research, you will just be scratching your head. If you don’t want deep, don’t read.
Since I was in high school, I have had an amazing ability to read the non-verbal. The following is a non-verbal of the picture of Joran and Paulus.
Waterboy, where the hell are you headed now! Read, at least it will be entertaining. How true? You decide.
Wow, a picture says a thousand words. This one says much, much more.
Let’s just make some general observations, and I’ll say manner of dress is not an area that falls within my expertise. I’m more at tune with facial expressions, and body language.
Joran has on a green shirt. I’ve never seen him in green. Has anyone else? He is always in plaid shirts, and stripes (appropriate for where he should be). He can’t get away from the broken pattern. Please notice the black lines on the front and back of the shoulders.
Green symbolizes self-respect and well-being. Black symbolizes death. Black is not a color. It is the absence of all color (like maybe the absence of a soul) In times of fear and uncertainty black means fear of the unknown.
My interpretation: Joran has managed to clear his feelings of guilt about Natalee. He has truly gone over the edge of rational thinking, and placed the blame fully on Natalee. The black on his shoulders is the weight of her death. Although he has fully excused himself for his actions, God has marked him with the “mark of Cain”, not once, but twice. He put death squarely on Joran’s shoulders.
Paulus in stripes? How appropriate also. Paulus always wears white doesn’t he? The shirt is white with light green stripes.
White is the color of purity. Brides wear white. Green, we have discussed with Joran. With Paulus, it means the same.
Stripes make a person look taller, bigger, stronger.
My interpretation: Paulus lacks a soul, so he feels no remorse about Natalee. He feels he defeated her (the stripes). He wears white because it is the inescapable or implacable agent of his predestined downfall. He just doesn’t know it. White is his nemesis.
The stripes symbolize his gaining power over Joran, and Natalee. He is for the first time in many a moon, larger, stronger, and bolder than Joran. He is reclaiming his title of alpha wolf. He has just succeeded in peeing on Joran’s head.
I haven’t gotten to the facial and postural non-verbal, and this is the longest post in history. If any are interested, I will go into the rest later. I don’t want to make this too long, and if you don’t like this post, you would like the rest a little more. So if you want to read more, let me know. I’ve got to go to a funeral today, so it may be some time before I can get back.
Jerry
The Birmingham News
Suspect’s release no surprise to Natalee Holloway’s parents, lawyer says
The parents of Natalee Holloway were not surprised Friday at the release of Joran van der Sloot by Aruban authorities because their attorney had warned them not to believe there was new evidence in her disappearance, the attorney said.
Attorney John Q. Kelly of New York said he expects an announcement later this month that there will be no prosecution of van der Sloot or the other two suspects, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were released Dec. 1. Kelly represents Beth Holloway and Dave Holloway.
“The report of significant new incriminating evidence was misleading,” Kelly said. “It was the same evidence or lack of evidence they had from the very beginning.”
Kelly said his clients would not comment on van der Sloot’s release. Telephone messages left Friday with the Holloways were not returned.
Authorities re-arrested van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers Nov. 21 after finding what they described as “new incriminating evidence” in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance.
“It’s all a dog and pony show,” Kelly said. “I guess they thought it would be good PR to show they were still working on the case. But it amplifies the fact that they mishandled it from the beginning and continue to mishandle it.”
Natalee Holloway was last seen May 30, 2005, leaving a bar in Aruba with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.
All three men have denied a role in the Mountain Brook High School graduate’s disappearance. Van der Sloot has said he left her alone on a beach that night but does not know what happened to her.
Van der Sloot’s attorney, Joe Tacopina, told The Associated Press on Friday, “It’s been a long road, and we’re very relieved and feel very much vindicated.”
No trace of Natalee Holloway has been found despite extensive searches.
Kelly said Dave Holloway hopes a new search off the coast of Aruba will yield answers. A private boat owner is providing divers and equipment to conduct the search in deeper waters than authorities previously searched.
“It might yield some additional information,” Kelly said. “It might at least give them some closure if they’re able to bring Natalee’s body home.”
Kelly said the search boat has been delayed by bad weather but is expected to arrive in Aruba by Wednesday.
Kelly said it is likely that Friday’s release of van der Sloot ends chances for a criminal prosecution.
“I’m sure by the end of the year the prosecutor will announce he’s decided not to try the suspects on the evidence he has,” Kelly said. “Since clearly they don’t have enough to hold them, they don’t have enough to prosecute them.”
The Associated Press contributed to this report. mcason@bhamnews.com
Rene:
Soldiers returning from Iraq tell a very different story than the MSM (aka LPM – Liberal Political Mouthpeice). I know several guys that have returned and say the average people on the street are very grateful for what we are doing.
For the trolls (you know who you are):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pen4dMAv7zY
Monkeys:
Perhaps we can come up with a list of alternate vacation ideas to recommend. I have a brother-in-law who has been to mainland China several times and the people have been very hospitable.
Also, there are more places to see in the US than most of us could cover in a lifetime.
To Dutch posters:
I suspect some of you could be the perps themselves on here celebrating your victory. The perps are destined to live miserable lives.
If you are truly representing what most Europeans think that is sad indeed. You are uncompassionate toward the victim and very arrogant. I just can’t figure out what you have to be so proud of…
I do know this. Islam is spreading rapidly in Europe, and if your attitude prevails, I wont be supporting sending Americans to bail you out (again) when the Muslims have taken over and turned you into a Taliban type state. No more drus or prostitues in the park then.
If I have wrongly assessed you, don’t get mad, just tell me something that shows a different attitude.
Inu:
Hopefully there will be a movie made, with all the details of statements, lies, stonewalling… Then all the world will see this travesty of justice for what it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et4BGTl_kAc
Ho Taco Pineapple has some mighty big balls stating “we’re very relieved and feel very much vindicated,” in reference to Urine van der Slut’s release yesterday!! I’d like to take his relief and vindication and slap him up side his big fat, ugly, arrogant mofia head with it!
Time is everything! Let’s hope the Persistence and her crew make it down in plenty of time to do what needs to be done before Dec 31st
Godspeed Persistence!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND HOLLAND TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
Thanks, klaasend
I knew you’d fix it.
(klaasend)
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SM: You’re welcome
282. Andries: The judges ruling in the Holloway case come from Curacao. Duh?
283. FL: NATO. If you think Bush will militarily defend Aruba, you’re delusional. He’s looking to put his name in history books via the middle east. Hugo, at this point, is a pain in the neck, but sending troops to defend Aruba is absolutely the most absurd thing I’ve read here.
287. Joost. I know many like to say there is no evidence that J2K had any involvement in Natalee’s disappearance, but if that were true, Aruba would look even more foolish for detaining them on more than one occasion and keeping them as suspects all this time, in spite of attempts by their attorneys to have them cleared. Aruba and its judges would also look foolish for granting search warrants to the J2K homes 2 years after the fact if there was no evidence that points to these 3. Enough to convict does not equal none.
254.
Pithy.
246. Erik. Natalee, her mother and father, won over the hearts of many. Add to that the disturbing “missteps” in this case coming out of Aruba involving the son of a Judge-in-Training, people protesting Beth instead of the obvious corruption, saying that there’s no crime because Natalee went with one of their island predators willingly, and you get a bunch of angry Yanks.
TO ALL: OJ Simpson: We’re not happy about that one and we’ve said so. We boycott OJ. OK?
To those who point to corruption and ineptitude in the U.S., I’m happy to report that we protest that, speak out about that, write letters about that. Jeez, there’s so much of it here that we’ve gotten good at spotting it a mile away. Or several miles away, like in Aruba.
Susan, Holland isn’t an country actually, it’s the name of 2 provinces named North Holland & South Holland.
The correct name is The Netherlands or Les Pay Bais if youre French.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands
for the fact lovers :
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/nl.html
Van der Sloot’s attorney, Joe Tacopina, told The Associated Press on Friday, “It’s been a long road, and we’re very relieved and feel very much vindicated.”
Some day Joe will eat those words and Joran and the 2Ks will serve their time for their hinus crime of murder and disposing of Natalee…
It is only a matter of time guilty ones… we will see you all behind bars….time is on our side…Natalee will be the one that will be vindicated…
Anyone who is angry about the boycott,
take your complaint elsewhere.
The perps and Aruban officials are to blame for the boycott.
Your anger is misplaced. The good people here who support the boycott are only standing up for Natalee’s justice.
@Pat in Alabama,
First of all dutch people are very disgusted by the fact a girlmurderer is free just because of the corrupt system in Aruba and his influential father. Secondly, although it has nothing to do with it we find ur presindent G>W> Bush a golddinging mf who only starts war to keep the oil price up so he can make a lot of money just like his papa.
I will be happy to give everyone in America Joran van der sloots new adress so anybody who like to serve justice can do it. Dont have it yet but when it is here ill publish it.
By the way, we don’t owe it to Arubans to vacation in Aruba.
We are not responsible for supporting the Aruban populace.
We are however, free, to choose our vacation destinations.
And many will choose NOT to go to Aruba.
If Gretawire is any indication, Aruba’s latest dog and pony show
encouraged many others to AVOID ARUBA.
The comments about George Bush, crime in the US, etc.
are IRRELEVANT to the topic under discussion which is:
Natalee Ann Holloway, an American tourist, has been denied justice on the island of Aruba, where the prosecutor admits she was KILLED.
@justice 4 natalee,
G.W.Bush. has nothing 2 do with this (although he is a chimp). But this J. v/d S. is a killer (maymbe he put GHB in her drink). He should never get away with this murder!!
@JusticeforNatalee on December 8th, 2007 12:46 pm
And again you try to impose US law on Aruba,
1st, dead people can’t claim justice in our system
2nd, Relative’s also can’t claim justice, they are no party in this, its OM vs Suspects.
The only one that can claim justice on behalve of the victem is the OM (Prosecutor/DA).
So stop projecting youre justice system on other country’s.
And yes in our kingdom suspects do actually have rights which we don’t stamp on.
Let’s dispense with allusions to World War II, Muslims, slandering the president of the U.S. or the prime minister of the Netherlands, and so forth.
This is supposed to be a serious blog. As I said above, some of us have dedicated time over the past few years to working on this case, and many of us have done “real world” things and plan to do more.
Whether the Dutch, or anyone else, likes or dislikes the policies of President Bush is not my concern, and is irrelevant to the case of Natalee Ann Holloway.
I’ve been on blogs that were once dedicated to serious issues and degenerated into nonsense.
So as I said above, let’s work on what we can do to promote the boycott of Aruba (and anyone who wants to carry it on to other nations is of course free to do so) and anything else to get JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
That’s what we’re here for.
Patti, glad you’re back … hope the storms in the Pacific Northwest didn’t bother you.
In the post above, of course, I speak for myself only.
Could everyone please take another look at post #268 from Maggie…a clearer picture of everything that’s happened could not be written; just a tremendously sober account of how sad this whole thing is….anyone that’s a sympathizer for Van de Sloot and the Kalpoes is living in a fantasy world or hasn’t followed the case…if Van de Sloot’s rationale for lying initially about dropping Natalee off at the Holiday Inn was that he was afraid he would look like less than a gentleman, why did these 3 produce such an INVOLVED story?…why say she fell, hit her head, came upon black security guards, etc etc..if all you’re afraid of is showing a lack of chivalry, why such an involved, convoluted story?..obviously because THEY HAD SOMETHING TO HIDE….it’s a travesty of justice that the Aruban authorities didn’t investigate this properly when they had the chance…I can’t imagine the anguish that Natalee’s family members have had to deal with; the latest release of the 3 suspects simply adds to it…if Greta gives that scumbag Tacopina more airtime I’m gonna puke…why doesn’t she ask him about the above mentioned facts instead of allowing him to have a forum for his drivel.
#309
The only person whose rights were stepped on is NATALEE’s.
#313
that’s still no excuse to do the same to other people.
I would like to know if there have been previous young girl deaths on that island and what the cause of death. The gang most likely have struck before.
Assumption is the mother of all F*k ups.
First of all i think something bad has happened/been done to Natalee Holloway. Although i do not actually KNOW what has happened/been done to her, i feel sorry for her and for her relatives and friends, and i wish them all the courage nessesary to overcome this.
The justice system in Aruba seems to be inept, at least they screwed up this particular investigation, lots of facts about the investigation would make one suspicious: This case stinks and the main suspect Urine van der Slut seems to be a pathological liar.
But…. A suspect is innocent untill proven guilty. I can identify with the frustration over a screwed up investigation, but that “screw up” is not solid evidence that if the investigation was done in a right way solid evidence against Joran would have been produced, now is it? This is basic logic reasoning.
A few things strike me while reading this thread (bit off topic but still relevant i think)
Some people here suggest a boycot of Aruba, the US of Obese consensus that money makes the world go ’round is a retard perception, it might have made the US big (as its inhabitants) but such low frequency thoughts will bring the US down in the future.
The idea of the boycot is to do at least something to bring “justice” to this case, is a way to put pressure on Aruba, or to make them pay. Emotionally very understandable but this kind of intervention isnt really compatible with a free world or free markets is it? What if oil producing countrys would boycot the states for a thing as “Guantanamo Bay”?? I guess the US would convince the world of some kinda evil danger that must be adressed with solid military action….
The idea of Aruba being corrupt, well that might actually be the case, but i find it selectively incensed of US people to get upset over this. The US is well known in the world to support corrupt gouvernements as long as the US see’s some profit in it. And since the second world war (yes i am greatfull for the allied forces who free’d Europe, jearly i bring flowers to some of your dead grandfathers, to pay them respect, and to here them postmortemly complain: The US isnt the US anymore, they are ashamed) The US has lie’d a lot of countrys into a lot of wars.
Its the system of power and money that you propagate that makes a state as Aruba vulnerable for corruption in the first place….
I don’t mind, i enjoy a lot of what the US has to offer to me, but stop whining over Aruba like you guys are holy or something.
Back on topic:
I truly hope further investigation will solve this case so justice can be done.
Why would anyone go to Aruba if you can go to Miami ?
Boycott is fine. But do the rest of the world a favor and boycott Paris Hilton and Britney Spears too
Richard and Vicki need ideas on how to make the voluntary travel boycott even more effective.
Please post ideas here or e-mail them at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com
Aruban girl posts about date-rape/Carlos and Charlie’s:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/LeilaCnCspickupspot.jpg
Can’t someone delete these posts from the “trolls”..this needs to be a forum for those seriously interested in Justice for Natalee. If you people want to support the vanderSloots, set up your own forum and enjoy yourselves…I for one am just not interested in your ridulous comments. The fact that you are gloating that four serious criminals have a free pass to continue their debauched lifestyle says a great deal about your character or lack of.
This just in … prosecutor seems to hint he will close case by Dec. 31. And NOW he says it’s difficult to prosecute the case without a body.
Also note how things are labeled ‘false leads’:
Prosecutor Mulls Closure in Natalee Holloway Case
Last Edited: Saturday, 08 Dec 2007, 1:13 PM EST
Created: Saturday, 08 Dec 2007, 1:13 PM EST
12/08/2007 —
Aruba’s chief prosecutor said he might finally close the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway after a lengthy investigation that was labeled as botched in its early stages and has never led to anyone being formally charged.
Hans Mos told The Associated Press Friday he will drop the case unless prosecutors agree before the New Year that they have strong enough evidence to go to court.
“We promised the suspects that after Dec. 31, we will not pursue the case,” Mos said. “This investigation should end at a certain point.”
Mos said he imposed the deadline himself earlier this year because he feels two years is a reasonable amount of time for bringing charges against someone.
His comments come after the recent release of three suspects who have been arrested several times since the investigation began following Holloway’s May 2005 disappearance.
Mos said if prosecutors believed they only had enough evidence to charge someone with a minor crime related to the case, he and the Holloway family feel pursuing such a charge “doesn’t serve a purpose.” A person convicted of making a body disappear, for example, would serve only six months in prison, he said.
Holloway’s relatives did not return calls for comment.
“We have a strong conviction that something happened that night, and that it was a very serious thing,” Mos said. “The question is whether we are able to prove it.”
The search for the blond, blue-eyed Alabama girl who went missing the night of May 30, 2005 spanned more than two years and involved hundreds of volunteers, Aruban soldiers, FBI agents and even Dutch F-16 jets laden with search equipment.
The investigation has revolved around the same three suspects: Joran van der Sloot, a 20-year-old Dutch citizen and the Kalpoe brothers, Deepak, 24, and Satish, 21, from Suriname.
They were the last people known to see Holloway before she vanished, and all three have denied any role in her disappearance. They have been arrested several times — the latest arrests coming last month — but released after different judges ruled there was not enough evidence to keep holding them.
“The Aruban prosecution is going around in circles,” said Joseph Tacopina, one of van der Sloot’s attorneys. “They’ve bumbled this case from the beginning.”
Government officials have agreed.
In 2005, Aruba’s prime minister met with Holloway’s mother and said authorities made mistakes at the start of their investigation.
No trace of Holloway has ever been found, although authorities have combed sand dunes, drained a pond and dove into the island’s clear waters. They have detained people including a disc jockey, a casino croupier, two former hotel security guards and even van der Sloot’s father, a judge in training at the time.
False leads have included blond hairs attached to a duct tape found along Aruba’s coast, and a bloody mattress later linked to a dead dog.
Holloway arrived in Aruba to celebrate her high school graduation. On the last night she was seen alive, the Mountain Brook, Ala., native attended a beach concert featuring Boyz II Men and Lauryn Hill and then ate and danced at Carlos ‘N Charlie’s bar and restaurant.
She never showed up for her return flight, and police found her passport in her hotel room with her packed bags.
Prosecutor Hans Mos said he does not anticipate ever finding Holloway’s remains.
“It’s very hard to try a case without a body,” he said. “It’s not impossible, but you need substantial evidence that somebody was killed.”
Wow…fill me in…didnt know Paris or Brittney left a bar with someone and that someone never surfaced again.
Here’s the url to the above article.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5161368&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1
To reply to the poster above: the proposal to boycott Aruba is not new. We (some of us) have been carrying on picketing and similar protest activities at Aruba Tourism Authority events in this country for some time.
Even the Dutch admit that they have been effective.
Stop trying to re-invent the wheel. The boycott has been in place, and it will only strengthen.
#316 you state…. ‘I don’t mind, i enjoy a lot of what the US has to offer to me, but stop whining over Aruba like you guys are holy or something’
Um your comment is much like Aruba. It makes no sense to anyone with a rational mind. I can ‘whine’ over Aruba as much as I like but as for being ‘Holy’..Well I have never been ‘that person’ that was last seen with someone that went missing…if that counts for being ‘Holy’ okay count me in.
It’s really mind boggling how you seem to have trouble understanding the situation and how each person can make their personal decision on when and what to boycott.
So now Hans Mos is telling us he doesn’t think that Natalee’s remains ever will be recovered.
I was reluctant to think that this whole Dutch effort was, in the words of JQK, a “dog-and-pony show.” I found it hard to believe that there would be any point in their launching such a cynical effort, only to see it collapse.
I am far more prepared now to believe it.
To answer another poster above: in March 1998, Amy Bradley vanished from a cruise ship as it was docking in Curacao. The night before, the ship was docked in Aruba, and members of the crew who had been pursuing her since the cruise began wanted to take her to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies.
(Yep, THAT one.)
She spurned them.
The next morning she vanished as the ship was docking in Curacao. There is good reason to believe that she remains alive, and in a situation of duress … I won’t elaborate.
I will not dismiss the idea that the same thing happened to Natalee … but not until she was assaulted by the three scum who took her away, and since then have done nothing but lie.
Just like the Aruban government.
I still think that something very dark is involved … it’s the only cause for the extensive cover-up that I can think of.
I might be wrong, or right.
But it’s clear that justice on Aruba is a quality that never will be rendered.
Let the damned place and its people sink.
Let’s do what we can to ensure the success of the boycott. It’s only common decency, and common sense. No justice for Natalee … and can anyone think, now, that it will come? … no tourists for Aruba.
Aruba has sown the wind … let it reap the whirlwind.
Since some people seem to think that Natalee was shot, I am just wondering if anyone knows the law concerning gun ownership in Aruba. Are there gun control laws? How common are illegal weapons?
If Natalee was shot, and I’m not to sure about that as those pictures are a blurr to me, then the perp had to have access to a gun. Do any of the suspects or their families own guns?
To all those who whine about the impact of the boycott (which has been going on for some time) on the ‘innocent’ Arubans …
Here’s the deal. YOU tell US who the ‘innocent’ Arubans are. That presupposes that you know who the guilty ones are, doesn’t it?
If so, you know more than the Aruban government knows. After two and a half years, they can’t find evidence to keep anyone in jail.
But Natalee vanished on Aruba, didn’t she? Do you have that down straight? She was taken away by three persons on Aruba, got it?
At this point, we don’t know how many Arubans might be involved, though it’s obvious that a hell of a lot more than three are responsible for the cover-up.
So that’s my advice. You find out who’s innocent, and we who are pushing the boycott will ask that nobody get angry at them.
But you can’t do it, can you?
So if the Aruban people won’t speak up and demand action … well, maybe it doesn’t sound nice …
but I really don’t care what happens to them.
We owe Aruba NOTHING.
And it’s clear that Aruba can’t do justice in this case, or won’t.
So to hell with the place. Period.
Let Aruba look to someone else for its tourist money. It won’t get mine, and I’ll do everything that I can to encourage others to avoid the place.
And to let Aruba know WHY they won’t go there.
We’ve had success at this … in Boston, at King of Prussia, and (though I wasn’t there) in the other protests, passers-by went in and told the Aruba Tourist Authority people that they would never visit that place, and why.
So once again, the question isn’t whether we will press for a boycott. We HAVE been doing this, and even the Dutch admit that it has had an impact. Now it’s time to carry the campaign further.
The ball’s in your court, Aruba. You’ll keep the cover-up going? You won’t call back van der Straaten, Jacobs, Dompig, and the others and start an inquiry?
You won’t demand that an IMPARTIAL JUDGE take charge?
You won’t ask the US to send the FBI in?
You’ll continue to whine, whimper and say “Oh, there’s no evidence?”
Fine … GO TO HELL. And get there by starvation.
Because I for one am sick to death of your whining. Find someone else to feed you … because the Americans, who have taken a long time to wise up, finally are doing so.
# 301 – Kloothemmel (what kind of name is that anyway, Dutch?) – Thank you for the geography lesson. I stand corrected – “BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER”!!
Richard – What’s with Hans Mos’ flip flopping? First he has “new incriminating evidence”, then he boldly states he can prosecute without a body. Apparently the officials in Aruba and the Netherlands are STUCK ON STUPID!! They’ve all made a mockery of JUSTICE and only made themselves out to be a bunch of corrupt fools.
The world has patiently waited for Aruba to do the right thing by Natalee and her family and watched as Aruba slowly commits financial suicide. SO BE IT!!
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
#322: I used a smiley like
as it was meant as a joke (you can hate me for that, bad taste, etc.) but I’d wished Paris and Britney never showed up with their many ex-friends, video tapes, upskirt pictures, drunken at parties etc.
@Susan
Thank you, its bad enough that us Frysian’s are in the same country as the ‘Hollanders’ so please don’t call our country Holland.
Hollanders where the slave traders, they grabt Aruba, New Amsterdam, indonesia.
Exactly Peter, this was not a lie made up in a few minutes, this was carefully thought up and took some time, not made up in a few minutes on the way home to the Sloots. Joran used that lie when the cops showed up. Mickey Johns said when Deepak was put in jail with him, that Deepak said, the Dutch guy’s father and the Dutch guy, father family made that lie up about the Holiday Inn. That would’ve had to take place before it was even public to anyone that Natalee was missing. Not to mention Paulus on the computer earlier that night researching, drugs and alcohol and the effects on young people, then a lawyer.
JoeT can spin it the way he wants.. noone ever said there is no evidence, maybe not enough to convict, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence in this case. The whole agenda all along was drag this out and keep providing false hope to the family, come out and make up lies about the family to enflame Arubans against her family, and then say well this is an old case. There was never any intention by the powers that be to solve this, because they’ve known since June 2005 what happened and who did it. Why in the world would they say one has confessed and they are leading cops to her body, then say just kidding? They aren’t inept, they knew what they were doing all along. Gerald Dompig, son Michael, friend of Joran’s,,, cousin Boeti,, convicted druggo who did 8 years or so a witness? Arlene Shippers, cousin to Guido Weaver, friend of Joran ,arrested for suspicions of heavy battery against Natalee. She was sent to the US to brief officials on the case. No conflict of interest huh? He went on to hire the lawyer who defended Milosevic, cause he did nothing.. Why all the high price lawyers hired? Do you see any of them doing “pro bono” work for some poor guy in a small town not getting media attention? No way..
Read Deepaks statement…the whole point to have chat traffic on Sunday night, was so police and detectives could know where he was. How did he know that police or detectives would need that for Sunday night? The night Natalee disappeared.
Now who in their right mind would want their daughter or child to vacation in a place like this?
For those complaining,, about boycotting,, take it up with the powers that be,, Noone wants to be the victim of a crime wherever you go, but you sure want to go to bed at night knowing where you do go on vacation, the people in charge aren’t as bad as the criminals who commit the crimes. This case had high priced defense lawyers by the busload over a girl left on the beach? Yeah, okkkk..
somebody needs to look into C & C’s. Does pvds have ties there as well? I still say that it was him in the video talking w/Natalee. I’ve said it before, but I believe he is a “spotter” for the group. A bit strange that he is gambling with his son while wife is off island….no? Are we sure pvds wasn’t the judge that let everyone go or at least made the arrangements for Smid to come back.
I wonder if Mos is related to Larry and Curly?
The responsibility of the District Attorney, or OM as they refer to him in Aruba, is to prosecute in behalf of the People; to make the island of Aruba safe for all. The recent comments made by him proove that he is no more than just another Mo-Jo sent to humiliate the family of the victim and to do what Aruba has always wanted to do… sweep this case under the rug and treat the DEATH of Natalee as if it never happened.
Mr. Mos doesn’t have the power nor the authority to promice anyone exemption from prosecution… if anything, as a prosecutor, his speech should reflect his desire to prosecute the guilty if and when there is more evidence. This, truly, is a dog and pony show in the case of the Arubans… but what about the Dutch?
Where is the DNA evidence that the Dutch were speaking of that was taking some time? Have the Dutch completed their investigation into the corruption on the island of Aruba and, if so, where are the results? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that this investigation and the following “show” put on by the OM and the Judiciary on Aruba is lacking credibility.
To think that a secret, man-eating society can have that much power is alarming! But, to go further, one has to wonder how it ever got this bad that 97,000 human-sacrificing vultures could infiltrate the world’s political scene and laugh, publicly, in the face of Justice. In fact, I don’t know that you could even call it laughing… it’s more like a total disregard for the aspect of right and wrong and a silent hiss in the face of civilized humanity.
Aruba is cursed. The ground is crying out from the blood of the innocent ones. The sea is belching forth it’s bones and the babies are crying… They will be heard and the recent wave of actions, or inaction, by Aruba and his mother, The Netherlands; will, truly, shock the world.
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Hey, Queen Bea:
How many of our babies are
buried in YOUR pastures?
You allow these monsters to be unleached,
even, upon your own people and you do
nothing to stop the bloodshed.
Breeding human-sacrificing cannibals for
the past two hundred years…
Isn’t that a crime, unto, itself?
Shame on you, for procrastinating the
inevitable and placing more children
at risk!
.
Excuse me, Queen Bea, but are you a man?
or a mouse?
Why do you allow yourself to be publicly
humiliated in front of the whole world,
so easily?
You look like a fool. No, I was wrong…
YOU are a FOOL!
.
Boycott!
.
Thanks, Richard… It’s good to be back.
The Clinical Result of Frontal Lobe Damage:
http://www.neuroskills.com/tbi/bfrontal.shtml
Death to the Arawak Nation!
You, too, Anita….
WOW!!!!!!!
97,000 of those brain-dead
bastards running around…
NO THANKS!
.
Boycott!
Don’t you think you all going a bit to far?
Where the hell are the U.N.?
It has already been proven that there
is a corrupt Judiciary in Aruba…
Are we to sacrifice our CHILDREN to it?
Cheri:
What?
You don’t believe in INDIANS?
LOL!!!!!!!!!
I dont understand the silence from Beth and Dave i wonder if they have been threatened with law suits if they speak out.I hope they do speak out long and hard .ARUBA EQUALS NO JUSTICE.BOYCOTT ARUBA,BOYCOTT SPONSORS OF ARUBA.
Hans…whatcha…..been smokin’ man…ask Greta, she said somebody is nuts!!!!!!!!!
We have evidence that Natalee is no longer alive!
We have new evidence!
If we had known this before none of the three would have been released!
We have wiretaps!
You haven’t got dips$$t!
Putting Natalee’s family through more and more of the same is just plain torture. They flew all the way down there because of what you led them to believe. And this time, to be even more cruel….
Why don’t you people of Aruba do something about the pimp club, why don’t you do something about the crack houses, why don’t you do something about Carlos ‘n Charlie’s and the kidnapping of young girls thrown into cars in the alley, you don’t do anything. Just bring money!
All we ever wanted and asked for was to find out what happened to Natalee. You mean to tell me that 97,000 people on that little island can’t find the answer.
Your infected with injustice and disease. And your landfill is full of rats!
I hate you!!!!
THE BOYCOTT IS ALIVE, ACTIVE and GROWING
YOUR MEAT FOR CHAVEZ
Exactly Peter, this was not a lie made up in a few minutes, this was carefully thought up and took some time, not made up in a few minutes on the way home to the Sloots. Joran used that lie when the cops showed up. Mickey Johns said when Deepak was put in jail with him, that Deepak said, the Dutch guy?s father and the Dutch guy, father family made that lie up about the Holiday Inn. That would?ve had to take place before it was even public to anyone that Natalee was missing. Not to mention Paulus on the computer earlier that night researching, drugs and alcohol and the effects on young people, then a lawyer. JoeT can spin it the way he wants.. noone ever said there is no evidence, maybe not enough to convict, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence in this case. The whole agenda all along was drag this out and keep providing false hope to the family, come out and make up lies about the family to enflame Arubans against her family, and then say well this is an old case. There was never any intention by the powers that be to solve this, because they?ve known since June 2005 what happened and who did it. Why in the world would they say one has confessed and they are leading cops to her body, then say just kidding? They aren?t inept, they knew what they were doing all along. Gerald Dompig, son Michael, friend of Joran?s,,, cousin Boeti,, convicted druggo who did 8 years or so a witness? Arlene Shippers, cousin to Guido Weaver, friend of Joran ,arrested for suspicions of heavy battery against Natalee. She was sent to the US to brief officials on the case. No conflict of interest huh? He went on to hire the lawyer who defended Milosevic, cause he did nothing.. Why all the high price lawyers hired? Do you see any of them doing ?pro bono? work for some poor guy in a small town not getting media attention? No way.. Read Deepaks statement?the whole point to have chat traffic on Sunday night, was so police and detectives could know where he was. How did he know that police or detectives would need that for Sunday night? The night Natalee disappeared. Now who in their right mind would want their daughter or child to vacation in a place like this?
Patti, have some fun with your life…enjoy your red corvette….go girl!
You don’t think this was all wrapped up at the start?
Tell me this how’d the Judge fell he had enuff evidence to hold the two security guards?
June 8, 2005
A judge finds sufficient evidence to hold suspects Nick John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, on suspicion of murder and kidnapping in the Holloway case, according to defense attorneys. Local law allows for the suspects to be held for a total of 116 days without being formally charged.
But not enuff evidence here huh?
June 10, 2005
Holloway’s family rushes to a lighthouse after a police official tells the media that one of the three young men in custody admitted “something bad happened” and was leading police to the scene. But prosecutors refuse to confirm or deny the information, which yields no new developments.
This was a slip of the tongue by one of the ALE who was reprimanded for letting the cat out of the bag.
SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND ARUBA IS GOING TO CLOSE THE CASE.
July 1, 2005
Aruban prosecutors say three youths held in conncetion with Holloway’s disappearance could soon be charged with murder, even though no body has been found. Earlier in the day, an official said the three had already been charged.
ARUBA SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND YOU DID NOTHING.
Who was the old man in the casion tape sitting to the left of Natalee?
How much did Paulus withdraw from the ATM machine that morning?
Mr. Dompig, what did Michael tell you?
You all will remain in infamy the burden that has broken the back of Aruba, when the island is just another diry port for oil transport….you can claim complete and total responsibilty. The dozens of you that were involved in covering up, botching up, lying about Natalee’s reputation and printing it and disposing of Natalee are just as guilty as those who harmed Natalee.
What comes around, goes around. Yep, watch it, here comes the boomarang.
Perfuming your stinkin pigs
Our Incredibles and our Rescuers could have done a better job!
BTW, I think Mos can cut his puppet strings, I am sure he got a pat on the back from those on the up. Yeah, Mos, mission accomplished huh?
http://www.justiceforkevinsweeney.com/Disaster.htm
Cheri haven’t you gone too far coming here telling someone else how to run their blog?
I don’t think you can make a lawyer honest by an act of legislature. You’ve got to work on his conscience. And his lack of conscience is what makes him a lawyer.
Will Rogers
The judge didn’t have any evidence at all to hold the security guards, they weren’t even there. Joran, Paulus, Anita and the Kalpoes made up the lie. Thank heaven for Beth.
They’re probably all mad because they couldn’t convict the security guards and send Joran and the Kalpoes on their way.
How many personalities does Joran have? All the things he says, it’s like different people talking? Maybe he needs an exorcism. His head seems to spin around alot!
benh, More than likely Beth and Dave aren’t speaking out right now because they are devastated.I hope they make a movie of this and document all these statements and all these lies made up about them and their daughter in it and what they faced. Don’t care if it’s 4 hours long. Good for them. If there was no evidence against this group, they could all sue the govt for false arrest as Paulus tried to do and lost. That’s why they don’t. I would turn this over the courts of Human Rights if possible.
”American dedication, American generosity, American determination may prevail against all the slimy underhanded Dutch and Arubans.”
You Americans always manage to make me laugh.
Here’s hoping the water search is successful…I’m sure their task comes with great difficulty….God Bless Them and keep them safe through their journey. If Natalee is where they think she is they will bring her up. I have no doubts in their ability to do this. Meanwhile Joran you might have to eat s$$t and die!
Sink Aruba Sink. Aruba will not recover. The perverts will spread to other islands.
Inu translates into dog demon!!!!!
So we make you Dutch laugh … the truth is still the truth, isn’t it? Are the Dutch or Arubans lifting one finger in this search?
As for those who wish to defend Aruba …
Either there is a cover-up or there is not.
I don’t see how any sane person can doubt that there has been an extensive cover-up on Aruba since the early days of the case, but still, let’s argue the point.
If there is a cover-up, then clearly Aruba is an unsafe place to go for American and other tourists, whose lives mean nothing to Aruba.
If there is no cover-up, then sheer incompetence and idiocy have been at work, and the government and law enforcement there aren’t worth the names.
In which case, clearly Aruba is an unsafe place to go for American and other tourists, whose well-being is something that means nothing to Aruba.
So it’s not much of a choice, is it?
Boycott Aruba … it’s only common sense.
So Joran…..look what you have done…history shall write about you and it won’t be nice..who in their right mind would want anything to do with you…Your a sociopath and your family an friends could care less. They are only protecting themselves. I’m sure they would like to call it day…so do them a favor!!
The future will learn…
#353 Brie,
You are being too nice!!
“Pull an Aruba” – translates into cover-up.
Use it in your everyday dialogue. The phrase will catch on. I like it – it describes Aruba; it might even promote questions about its meaning. And discussions about Aruba can only lead to the Natalee Holloway cover-up.
Ok here goes to all those who are now also accusing the dutch of having no feelings or think that we think we are victorous now that Joran has been release..
Now do not get me wrong, but our main concern (of most of our dutchies)is the arrogant posture most here have against the legal system and the brainless yelling of boycotts..
TBH i wished the matter was closed as it is still open in some ways .. If he was truly the so called killer then he will get what he deserves in the end .. ..
Now to get back to a poster who said we are arrogant etc etc and should ban all dutch products .. well you are really smart arn’t you .. Not .. you are prolly the dumbest person on earth.. now with that being said let me get to bussines what the dutch have done the last few years ..
1 IRAQ, we have troops there and support the US cause they asked..
2 Afghanistan We have troops there cause the US asked..
3 With the flooding (cannot remember the exact place) we dutch where first to send aid and to help with preventions against the water (even before your own goverment took action)
4 we are the only country in Europe who still finances a few US military projects while the rest of europe does not. like the strike fighter..
as for the troops we send it is not much bit still very helpfull and we do have another military culture then the US has so for us it is a lot what we send .
these are just a few of the samples i give you.. and there are a lot more so do not start yelling that you gave us a lot cause that is not entirly true .. i ask you to look up what the dutch really have done for the US before you even make a remark on us dutchies again.. you will prolly be baffled by what you can find .. Now i know one bad thing reflects more then the good things but still this whole thing has been blown way out of proportions by the media and a lot of false information has been spread. Each countries media writes his own version and his own interpretations.. You got yours and i got mine but main thing is still “innocent untill proven” this is as important as freedom of speach what some of you are clinging to ..
Also the Media made the search harder and put a lot of pressure on people on the investigation and we all know what pressure does to a man it is never good. And i admit there are mistakes made on all fronts and i do mean on all fronts the US, Aruban and the dutch.. lets just hope that some evidence pops up or that if they really did it that they confess.. if it happens i can assure you i will be at the frontline to condem him ..
mommytraveler:
You might want to add that one to the urban dictionary.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/
If there is ANYONE on Aruba brave enough and decent enough to come forward with evidence or as a witness I humbly beg you to do so. This poor girl went on the vacation of her dreams and lost her life. Deepak and Satish this appeal is to you as well, please do the decent thing.
a question.
how did those Aruban policemen, Jacobs, Vander stratten, etc. all manage to get so incredibly FAT ? don’t they have yearly fitness requirments ?
Tuesday i had to put my dog pepper to sleep,iam sad and feel guilty for not taking better care of him,this made me think of the posters that say negative things about Natalee and her family,they must not have felt love or kindness before they can not feel or understand the pain the family of Natalee is still going through.I would rather feel the pain than nothing at all.THINK ABOUT THAT JORAN.
well, i believe the suspects, their families and friends such as spencer bachus will suffer a similar fate – just much worse, through evilution. what you do to someone always comes back to haunt you.
Let’s try it again
Has anyone posting here read any of the hundreds of pages of documentation pertaining to Natalee Holloway? Currently my down loaded documents are over 4 inches thick. My cd’s contain over 300 meg of data and pictures. If you have; keep an open mind and read a little of Dr. Hodges. It is my belief that every character in this human drama gives us a little piece of the puzzle. So instead of crying for blood or being a friggen’ troll here; why not spend some creative time and try and solve this case. I believe it is solvable.
Just as an example; I have always felt that there were hidden cameras in the girls room at the Holiday Inn. Joran confirms that. If you think there was a camera/video involved Satish says so. If you wonder who drugged Natalee’s drink Deepak says so. If you want to know who was there, Jaime and Freddy will tell you. If you want to know what happened at the beach see who was arrested in April last year. If you want to know where Natalee may have been taken, check with Sanders. Is Natalee in the Ocean, no Joran tells us so. If you want to know why Natalee had to disappear see Deepak’s email. Do you want to know where Natalee may be; read Joran’s book.
Is there any helpful evidence; I believe so but you would have to go through hundreds of pictures to find it. I believe it is there.
Still too radical uh?
Where did Joran get the idea to say that Natalee was a lesbian?
He interpreted from the hidden cameras that two girls sleeping in a twin bed as being SHAPHRO
Forgive me, I know this is long, but…
Something just doesn’t add up…
Joran’s very first comments about Natalee was a description of her pubic area, what he did to her as she was coming in and out of consciousness and the lie that they took her back to the hotel. However, one of the charges against J2K (and others) was heavy battery. Would you beat on a girl who was unconscious? GHB lasts several hours and Ecstacy even longer; plenty of time for them to gang rape her without her waking up. If Natalee was not drugged, then she surely would have put up a fight. I say that based on Beth’s description of her personality. It is certainly possible that during such a struggle that “something bad happened”.
Assuming that Natalee was not drugged after all, then why was Paulus researching the effects of drugs and alcohol on a computer in the middle of the night? I’m actually not sure where that information came from; someone else said it, so I don’t know if it is true. If it is true, it falls in line with other things that were done with computers and cell phones to cover up the truth. His activity could be misdirection and not evidence of what happened at all.
Why would things be done that could actually be incriminating for the purpose of misdirection? If you knew that you would never be prosecuted it would make little difference, and perhaps there is something much bigger to cover. The first attempt at misdirection was to hang the whole thing on Natalee herself … we dropped her off and she disappeared… we don’t know where she is. The second attempt was to hang it on the black security guards, but that fell through. Since that time we have had numerous conflicting statements about the lighthouse, sharks, beach, VDS residence. We have also seen unexplained pictures and videos, taken by someone who has never come forward to explain what they really are. Then there is Shango: if someone was really interested in disclosing something they could surely make anonymous contact with someone and spill the beans (not make up riddles). Finally we have incomplete searches of the ocean, the landfill and the pond. Cover, misdirect, cover, misdirect.
We know that Natalee left with J2K. What if EVERYTHING else is misdirection? A shell game with no ball. That would mean that someone wants us to think that Natalee is dead and there was never quite enough positive evidence to hang it on anybody. They might have incorrectly assumed that everyone would have given up on the case by now (just another missing girl). What got me thinking about this was someone’s mention of the Amy Bradley case. If Natalee was up at a drug lord’s house or smuggled off the island Deepak’s statement (“if they find the girl you’ll get 15 years”) suddenly makes sense.
I know this is way out, but all this time I have thought it was just a case of Natalee being drugged and raped resulting in her death. Now I’m not so sure. Why would the ALE put out such information, be willing to let us believe it, and yet not be willing to prosecute? Heavy battery? Unconscious?
Another thing that is bothering me. Who said that the blood on the mattress was a dog’s blood? Was it anyone we can trust for the truth?
Ideas anyone????
http://tinyurl.com/324heu
http://tinyurl.com/2s57ud
http://tinyurl.com/3yp2pe
Talk about misdirection: how about a jealous dark skinned dark haired Aruban female cutting Natalee’s hair while drugged and something bad happening at a party at a Dutch Nataional’s house; one who can’t stop wetting his pants and his brother’s cell phone was stolen.
It’s not about how they run their system…
It is the Judiciary, itself, that is corrupt…
Let it be reviewed, this decision, by THIS judge,
and see what the FAIR decision would be.
.
THIS JUDGE HAS ALREADY PROVEN HIS BIAS
in this case and THAT should be considered
during the review of this decision…
Then, this case needs to be removed from Aruba,
with it’s 97,000 embarrassed Indians
and given to a fair and just court of law.
.
To stalk someone from the U.S., in Aruba
OR anywhere in the world,
is a Federal Crime where it leads to death.
This Mo-Jo has back-fired!
They have admitted her death!
Now, the U. S. Federal Government
could step in, in my opinion;
and reserve the right to investigate
the case, itself.
They can also prosecute the case
based on the evidence that is found…
.
Justice for Natalee
To Carpe,
Answer a few questions for me if you can.
The bag in the basin—you know I’m a believer, but is the date of June 10, 05 correct? I think one time (when I bought it) I had the time and date right on my video camera, so it doesn’t surprise me if the date is wrong.
The rock video. I’m sorry, I’ve looked and looked and all I can see is a small white hand and arm being lifted in video #8. I feel sure this is Natalee or some other small, white, female that was murdered during that time. No way is it a body of a 7year old boy that was missing for 2 years. No way.
What I would like to see is your version of the rocks, and the translucent bag, and what it all means.
Maybe you have said before, but I think all I have seen from you is just analysis, which by the way is very, very good.
Jerry
Jerry (Waterboy)
Sorry, I lost the post number somewhere up there. I do agree with at least two of the things you’ve said: Joran is marked with the mark of Cain. Not just for Natalee, but for all the other pain he’s caused others, even before Natalee set foot on Aruba. Also, I think Paulus does feel he’s regained the power (alpha) position. Without him, Joran would be toast and they both know it.
Their facial expressions in the car tell me that Paulus is so happy and Joran is guardedly happy. Maybe Joran knows something, maybe something said in interrogation, that Pappy and his lawyer don’t.
IMO the arrest of Joran and the Kelpoes was because of the Search Boat getting ready to sail.
They are in a hurry to wrap up this case before Natalee’s body can be found. When a body is found they will say its to late NOW.
If Mos is a part of this coverup,he is as big P.O.S. as the persons that took Natalee and the rest of the scum on that P.O.S. of an island.
BOYCOTT ARUBA FOREVER
10061906
Natalee’s family SOLVED this case within three hours of landing on the island. It is the injustice system of ARUBA that refuses to hand out justice. This case has been solved,but it
has not been resolved.
BOYCOTT ARUBA FOREVER
Pat,
The search on the Internet about drugs and alcohol. It is said that Paulus was doing the search. I don’t know how they would know this, but you are right, whoever it was had to know that the computer would be searched. You have to assume the cookies and history were not deleted on purpose.
Doesn’t sound like someone trying to cover their tracks; but rather, someone laying tracks in the wrong direction.
It does sound like someone is trying to plant false information that points to Natalee as being the cause of her own problems.
I have to wonder about the timing of the arrest of Joran and the 2Ks. Why didn’t they wait until the water search started? If they put Natalee in the sea, then the search would be a continual source of stress to Joran and the 2Ks. They would not know on a daily or hourly basis what might have been found. An interrogator could really make progress if during the interrogation, someone kept bring in notes. Joran might think they had found Natalee.
Jerry
#362 weasel,
Two of my friends that are on the police force here (in our little town) are incredible fat. I’ve tried to get them to run with me, and I’ve hinted around, that you don’t have to eat everything, including the table clothe when they sit down to a meal.
So to answer you question. I don’t think that many police forces have a weight requirement for veterans of the force.
The military does, and they will medically discharge you if you are overweight.
Most do have yearly firearm qualifying. Some have trouble passing. Me—I’m not police,spook, or military; but I can pass with a perfect score every time. I can always out shoot those guys, and with a cheap firearm to boot (Glock 30).
Jerry
Natalee was still alive while paulus was online looking up drugs and alcohol if shes already dead what difference does it make how she died.
QUESTION:
Don’t they have certain clothes you can
buy for people who cannot match colors?
We need to look into that and forward the
winter catalog on to Neeter Buggy in Lie-Ruba.
Joran’s mother
couldn’t match colors with a effing microscope
& a SHERWIN WILLIAMS PANT GUIDE. Everytime
I see that giant Dutch a$$ bucket on TV,
she has on some get up that looks
like she picked it up during interplanetary travels!
Do you remember when Bjork dressed up in that dang
GOOSE SUIT? Yeah well, put her right next to
Joran’s ho bag of a mother… and like bookends,
you’ve got a
matching pair.
LOL -j4n
Ray 373; I was going to respond in depth, but your statement is empty without reason and fact to back it up.
No they did not. They don’t have all the answers to how, where, what when or why.
I find it tragically ironic that a teenage girl trapped on a strange island; has a favorite movie about a teenage girl who is trapped in a strange land and all that girl wants is to go home. This girl in the strange land finally gets home from the help of three males a good witch and an all powerful wizard. Ah but this young teenager trapped on an island has been deserted and gets no help. In fact her plight is enhanced by three males who are responsible for her disappearance and the cause for trapping her on the island. She gets no help from any good witch and the all powerful wizard is helpless.
Is there not a champion for this young lady, free her from an entrapped island and bring her home?
And by the way for all you dutch trolls that try to use the English language.
Boycotts are self imposed sanctions or restrictions.
I do not like XXXX store; therefore it is my choice I will not go to its store and buy anything. That means you have the options to buy or not buy, to travel to or not travel. Get the picture?
What all you trolls get confused is embargo; which is an enforced restriction.
You cannot travel, you cannot support, you cannot buy; etc. You cannot travel to Cuba. That embargo has been in effect for almost 45 years.
Now do you get the picture?
Maybe we should push for an embargo on all Aruban and Dutch travel and products; then we would not have to be selective.
See Ray; 376 is a similiar statement that you presented.
Proper use of boycott.
Article concerning the movie “Golden Compass”.
“The anger stems from the belief that the film is anti-religion and pro-atheism. Some folks plan to BOYCOTT the film (self imposed restriction) as a sign of protest”.
So what are you trolls AFRAID of. That we may get the message to a few hundred thousand vacationers to tell them the dangers of your island and let them make the (INDIVIDUAL DECISION) to boycott Aruba? I would like to triple that amount and then triple it again.
#316:
First and foremost, you won’t make believers of anyone by calling our country names. This blog is about Natalee Holloway and what did and didn’t happen in Aruba in the way of investigating the three thugs responsible for her disappearance and death.
The “justice system” in Aruba didn’t “screw” this case up. They damn well covered it up. Surely you don’t want us to believe that 3 thugs and papa sloot were smarter than your keystore cops. On top of this, there was a reason for keeping our FBI at arms length. There was a reason for attacking Beth and Natalee. There was a reason for not asking follow up questions and not investigating the 3 thugs for 10 days. Some of those reasons have to do with Aruba allowing Joran’s Godfather as investigator, Kalpoe’s cousin as the next investigator and Paulus’ good buddy who stays at his house as judge who releases the boys every time they are arrested and altered a search order.
You bet it’s a free world with free markets. That should make it very understandable to you that Americans are free to boycott Aruba all they want. And yes, anyone can boycott the USA for whatever reason they wish. You don’t even want to get me started on specific topics involving the war on terrorism because some day little Aruba is going to be thankful that the USA leads this fight!
Corruption in the USA? Yep, unfortunately that’s true but this is not about the USA – this is about Aruba’s corruption which has caused the murderers of a young American to walk about freely. You will find some of us on other blogs fighting corruption in the US – which I might point out is a lot different that what we read here from Arubans. We constantly see Arubans and Dutch coming here to stick it in our faces that the killers of Natalee walk free.
If these three thugs were taken to trial without one of Paulus’ friends as judge, they’d start talking real quick. There are too many people on Aruba who know at least pieces of what happened and all these pieces need to see the light of day and be put together. Trust me, the Kalpoes would sing like canaries if someone would hold their damn feet to the fire.
You blaming the US for the corruption in Aruba? Now that is just rich! It’s also the way Aruba has acted from the beginning – blame the victims instead of taking responsibility. Funny how you like the obese USA when we save your a$$ but the suddenly we’ve changed.
Tell us just why Americans should want to come to Aruba after understanding the state of affairs in Aruba: If “something bad happens” to you in Aruba, no one will give a damn, your family will be accused, called names, harassed, but there will be no investigation. Wow, it does sound like a wonderful place to spend our hard earned vacation dollars doesn’t it! NOT!
Ditto to Richard’s #327 & #354 messages.
#359 werner: it’s not brainless to suggest Americans stay away from a place where one of their own died and the manner of her death and killers were covered up so the thugs walked free. You are the person who doesn’t make sense if you think you are in Iraq and Afghanistan for the USA. You have soldiers there because terrorism knows no nationality! And of course the USA does nothing for the Netherlands, right? WRONG! Please review your history and see what the USA has done for the “Dutchies”.
Pat in Alabama (#366) … I mentioned the Amy Bradley case, as I’ve worked with the family on it for five or six years.
Think for a second: the FBI says they believe that Natalee is dead. Well, it’s not a far stretch of the imagination: but from where does the FBI “information” come?
You got it … from Aruba. Well, we know that they are honest and above board, right? The FBI, on JUNE 10, didn’t know that two and a half years of misdirection, lies and evasions were ahead of them. They had no reason to doubt what they were told.
We know from the testimony of Charles Croes that Joran and the Kalpoes were trying to come up with stories and lies about Natalee early in the morning that she disappeared … BEFORE HER DISAPPEARANCE HAD BEEN REPORTED.
In other words, before they were at the police station, before they were linked to the case, before anyone knew to search for Natalee … they already were seeking alibis.
Interesting, no?
Remember, at THAT TIME they had NO idea that Beth and Dave would prove to be the powerhouses that they have been. Nobody ever thought that Beth and Dave would explode the false ties to the two black security guards.
Nobody had any reason to think that Natalee would get particular attention.
So why the need to lie so early?
I still say … I don’t think that three punk kids and a failed wannabe judge had so much power that Aruba would try to cover for them for 2.5 years. It doesn’t make sense.
But if someone more powerful was involved … such as a drug lord … and something darker was involved … such as an American being sold abroad … THAT is what would destroy Aruba forever.
Do you believe what Dompig said … that no boat could come to or leave Aruba without the government knowing about it? Don’t make me laugh.
Not to mention that there IS an airport with private planes nearby.
We’ll see what the water search comes up with.
If they find Natalee’s body, as the family seems to believe will happen, then I think the “human trafficking” theory is exploded.
If they don’t ….
Does it make any sense at all that, if you have a girl at your house who is, or who you think is, suffering from an overdose of alcohol, date-rape drugs, or both ….
That you spend time looking up her symptoms on the Internet?
Come on … what would anyone do in such a situation if they wanted to help her? Call the local equivalent of 911.
And if they didn’t want to help her, if they were faced with a crisis about what to do … why, pray tell, was it essential that the search be conducted AT THAT TIME?
Unless arrangements for her disposition and/or removal from Aruba had been made already … she had been handed over to someone who was on the dark side of the law already … and that an agreement was being put into effect?
I traveled the past week from Alabama to California…the entire time reading Beth’s book. When I would take a break on the long flight I would talk to people around me and tell them about the book and how corrupt and awful Aruba had been during this entire case. I had several long flights so I hope I at least touched someone that will no longer go to Aruba. Take your book with you when you travel…its a GREAT conversation piece and hopefully will help deter people from traveling to Aruba.
For all the Monkeys that missed
the important Greta segment ON THE RECORD
tonight. – Justice 4 Nat.
http://tinyurl.com/22qapk
Hi Jerry,
I saw your post! I’m not ignoring
you, I jes wanted to collect my thoughts
& get back to on that one.
I will, soon.
Are you all aware that under Aruban law, a missing persons case is closed after three years? That means this case is closed at the end of May 2008 …
Rene said:
By the way, all your criticism on the justice of aruba; remember OJ Simpson?
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first of all Rene, O.J. Simpson went to trial. Then he was acquitted by a trial jury. Joran or Kalpoes will never even go to trial.
Besides, O.J. is pretty much boycotted in the U.S. He pretty much lives on the run. For example today was the Heisman Trophy award announced for 2007 season. All former Heisman
winners were there. Except O.J. No normal people want to hang out with him. Because everyone knows he is guilty.
387-
So are you saying Paulus, Joran, and the 2Poes
have only 6 more months left to live?
Trying to REASON with these Aruban Idiot Mo-Figgies
is like trying to discuss foreign policy with my
f-ing CAT.
If it is shiny, makes jingle noises, or resembles yarn, the debate descends right into the chitter!
Hey Guys!!
Has anyone seen the celebratory pic of Paulos (with his fly down), Joran (neanderthal man), Anita (her orange frizz matching her orange outfit), Joe Taco (dislocated headshot) and forensic guy?
UGLY!!!
Why are you Americans trying to boycot an island where one junk got missing, rather than your own country where people get mowed down in malls?
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SM: Note to the comprehension challenged:
The boycott or people’s independent choice not to go to Aruba is not about the crime. Unfortunately crime occurs everywhere, even though some of you could care less that it does. Its about the corrupt cover up!
I realize this is a difficult for some of you to comprehend that why would anyone want to spend their time and money in a place where if something happened to them or their loved one, a cover up would occur and no justice would be provided.
why on earth are people responding to a man who named himself “asshole”? (kloothommel)
probably a member of “geen stijl” where people like this would post.
In 2004 while staying at a Villa in St Marteen, there was a murder next door and the French police came to our Villa questioning us. I had no clue at the time that they could have held us for an extended time for questioning, and kind of found it funny. An interesting story for the return home. That is, until the Natalee Holloway case came to light. I have not been back to the island since, and do not plan to. Not only because I realize now that they could have held us for no reason, but because now I see the real criminal element of those islands and realize how vulnerable we were (having gone to the same Villa four years consecutively). Now I can even see incidences at casinos, restaurants, bars, street festivals, when we should have been soooooo much more cautious, but thought we were just on a happy island making friends with locals. NEVER AGAIN! From my own past experiences with “locals” I now can see all too clearly what happend to innocent Natalee Holloway. She was just looking for a good time celebration not knowing that on those islands, sharks walk on land. Two years is enough????? There should be no limitation to murder, although I do not know the Aruban law. My prayer is that one day Natalee will be found and THEN Paulus will be prosecuted. Anita, please, how blind folded can you be? I love my husband and children dearly too. But I am not a big believer of coincedence. This happened while I was gone? My husband wanted a new mattress when I got back? It was a priority even though our son is in jail? Now is the time to lay a slab? And by the way honey, where is our camera?
With sooooooo many people praying for resolution to this case, I know it will come. It will just come in His timing. Beth and Dave will one day get answers that will at least help them know what happened and hopefully somehow give them closure and peace. The suspects never will have peace because even if they arranged for her to be put in the incenertor, it is always possible for the truth to be revealed. They must live all the rest of their lives looking over their shoulder fearing the truth, and HOPEFULLY, IF HUMAN, the face of Natalee every night in their “dreams”.
Here’s the truth about Aruba’s tourism …
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SM: The truth is that Aruba’s tourism will never be th same. You can quote all the #’s you like, they are far behind other similar vacation spots. Even with increases … they will always be known as the island that covered up an American teenagers death.
That cannot be taken away.
we remeber how the gov’t officals,public relations part of the aruban gov’t and greta of fox news trashed natalee holloway and her family -i will smile when those individuals suffer their fate.
-j4n
http://tinyurl.com/yvudnj
In Beth’s book she describes tips that led to a guy in a yellow jeep named Theodore. Natalee was supposedly seen riding around with him. He is also known as a runner for the drug lords and has a small boat. Beth took him to the police, and nothing came of it.
At that point in time, it was being suggested that Natalee had run off, was in a drug house, etc. They probably hoped Beth would give up and go away. The tips all coming in were about live sightings. Then after Beth was told that Natalee was probably dead, the tips all channged to locations where the body might be found. More games.
Paulus could say with confidence “no body no crime” if he knew Natalee was being held somewhere. The arrogant little perps could make up all kinds of stories and know that there would never be any evidence to prosecute them.
False leads continued to come up. Bloody mattress – no, its a dog’s blood. Duct tape with hair – no, it’s not hers. We have a confession and know where she’s burried – no we don’t. And now, we have new incriminating evidence – no we don’t. What kind of sinister minds can be playing such games? Why continue it? They have most people convinced Natalee is dead and this is a last effort to make it look like they tried to prosecute the case, then it will be dismissed. If Natalee is alive she will not be found after searching in the water, so they will end it and hope that everyone now gives up.
If anyone can demonstrate that there is a U.S. government cover-up in the case of OJ Simpson, please do so.
Otherwise, to continue invoking that case makes no sense at all. So let’s drop it, once and for all.
If trolls have nothing intelligent to say …
PLEASE DON’T POST.
This is a blog about NATALEE HOLLOWAY and the cover-up in Aruba.
Poster #387 … you might direct your observation about May 2008 to the Aruban prosecutor. See the article I posted above: he is already talking about closing the case AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
@10061906 you know just as well as i do that an embargo against the dutch will never even be considerated by your goverment.
And if you do not want any dutch products, not my problem, i think you will get back to that really soon
. The Dutch have their paws in more things then you can imagine..
So again, not that you called out for an embargo yet but still that would just waste your time.
@all the baboons here
Hahahaha, I just got back from NYC and other cities. It was great, I have never seen such jealousy from people in the shops, when I flashed my money around. And when they found out that I was European they were even more pissed off (I accidently gave the shop owner some Euros as a tip).
Anyway, I see you gibbons are still trying to pull of the boycot.You know that in the end it wil all be wasted energy. People will forget what happened there, and will go back as tourists, and the Holloway case will become a cold case.
Nothing will be solved, Joran will be still be free, perhaps even becoming a judge like his father, and all this boycot crap will fade away with the caribbean seawind. hehehehe pathetic losers!
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SM: We allow posts like this to pass through just so everyone can be reminded of the sick losers that you support when you travel to Aruba and turn your head on justice. Say hello to Euro-trash.
What a sad commentary that anyone would actually think this way.
To all you posting on the Dutch blogs … if anything like what happened to Natalee happened to any of your family or friends in this country, we would post and try to find answers for you as well.
This is not an American-Euro thing ,,, this trying to get justice … something that one would think everyone would be for.
R
Natalee Holloway case simplified for all the Dutch Trolls and Dummies:
Botched investigation = no boycott
Big time coverup of crime = Big time boycott
Yes Dummies the coverup of the crime against Natalee continues and the boycott of Aruba will grow with it!! Don’t like it? Too bad.
you are right SM, this is not about countries. This is about 1 sick dutch person, 2 almost certainly complicit surinam guys and several cops who decided that they would rather investigate anybody but the son of their boss’s wifes best friend.
And they went to such ridiculous lengths as arresting 2 innocent security guards (innocent of having anything to do with Natalee’s case, they might have something to do with the break inns but that is not the subject of my post) and letting the suspects run amok on the island without having them followed or better yet, arrested.
It gave them the time to solidify their stories, to seek advise from someone inside the system (Joran’s dad) and to muddy the waters so that if anybody actually came along and properly investigate their actions they would most likely never be convicted.
And then there were their bosses, who failed to intervene at the early stages to make sure that van der Straten did not have the change to wreck the investigation. And the bosses of these bosses who should have just called in the KLPD instead of letting their subjects muddle on for more than a year with ZERO results.
That is the core-issue IMHO.
ARUBA: Expect the worse
Anita surely knows and she has chosen to sacrifice her other two sons. Anita – was it worth it? Your other two sons will have this case hang over their heads forever, too. Forever. The internet cements all information.
Friends in Aruba say that the VanderSloots are hated everywhere. Same for the Kaploe family. Neither can trust anyone. They may think they can, but they can’t. People may be friendly on the surface, but they are despised behind their backs. None of these players are Aruban and they have hurt Aruba by all their lying. When the case is closed officially, they will no longer be able to hide behind any protective shield that makes them all so arrogant and “safe” now.
Anita – it would have been so easy just to call 911 (or the equivalent in Aruba). Why didn’t your husband make that call? An accident happened. Maybe, not an accident – huh – Anita? Life must be fun in that house.
Another ignorant comment: “Anyway, I see you gibbons are still trying to pull of the boycot.You know that in the end it wil all be wasted energy. People will forget what happened there, and will go back as tourists, and the Holloway case will become a cold case.”
LOL Wasted energy huh? Not likely. If the current boycott had no affect, ignorant people would not be on this blog posting stupid comments and calling Americans names because they are smart enough not to go to Aruba where “no body, no crime” rules, where the PM wants to end the case so he can get some more tourist dollars, where millions are spent trying to get tourists to come back but instead the money goes down the drain.
Stick a fork in your tourism Aruba, it’s cooked! We ain’t coming back! Sure, someday people will forget – about the time hell freezes over and long after Aruba belongs to Chevez! Enjoy your new dictator!
If our search team does find Natalee, she’s hands off to Aruba. Besides that, they don’t have any jurisdiction in international waters. If Natalee is in the deeper waters as they believe her to be, her body or remains would be better preserved because of the colder temperature. Also in that depth there is less marine life.
Red
I agree, let them post so everyone knows how they feel about justice and Natalee Holloway.
I also agree, these guys just don’t get it. It is not just about Natalee being missing…it is about justice. We have crime, but the energies put forth are evident, look at the Stacy Peterson case…..our FBI is involved…this is round the clock, now for over a month against a guy in blue. That is how a system should work, Regardless who you are you are not above the law. The mall shooting, yep crime by a demented man, but we know he did it and he is gone by his own hands, a form of justice none the less, he is gone not to harm others.
The corruption for Aruba and NL was obvious from day one. Telling Dave to go have a few drinks and wait, telling him she is at a choller house, then sending him there and turning it on the Holloway’s by asking why did you go to the choller house, did she have a drug problem?
Burned, seared into my mind the vicious vile actions that Dave faced in the dumps of Aruba looking for his daughter. Aruba showed us then, the total disregard for the Holloway’s and Natalee. In fact I may use that photo in my emails to remind others what this family faced in Aruba. I got a library full, I will use them all. People will tire of hearing it from me, but if one person changes their mind about spending a vacation in Aruba…great …job done.
Euro Trash….I love it… Do they have street sweepers there? Maybe they can swing by the sloots and load up the sweeper.
Pershing by your own sword, Aruba.
Dave Holloway said a couple of weeks ago that if they find anything during the deep water search, they will turn it over to the Aruban authorities. I wonder if he still feels that way. Hope they at least bring some piece back to the USA and have them tested by our forensic experts so that they don’t get lost or disappear. If they find a cage with someone inside, I hope they document absolutely everything with photos and test samples – or better yet bring it all back here.
#407:
What is the maximun depth they can search ?
I hope I do not disappoint you, but there is a strong current heading west in the Caribbean Sea.
mommytraveler…. Also, I hope Dave and others are all wearing hidden recording devices and they record everything those stinking Aruban liars say when she is discovered….
Knowing them they would end up saying it is a male body. So I hope Dave and others have a FBI agent on board to witness and record this event.
We have got to get these criminals behind bars before they murder someone else.
I would think that the criminals would not know exactly where they dropped Natalee in the ocean so to find her would be very difficult for them to do…. otherwise, …. I would have thought they would go out to sea and find her and remove her so that our search team could not find her.
Too late… they dumped her and now cannot ever touch her again… I pray she is found on this water search for justice for Natalee
I hope our water search team is already there in the international waters right outside of Aruba doing their search already. They do not need to let Aruba or others know what they are doing. This way they can do what they need to do without being served papers from Aruba to stop the search or for them to claim it is being done in Aruba waters etc.etc. you know how they operate, liars and crooks…
It gave them the time to solidify their stories, to seek advise from someone inside the system (Joran’s dad) and to muddy the waters so that if anybody actually came along and properly investigate their actions they would most likely never be convicted.
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yes I am glad to see there is someone out there who can see thru it. The lie was made not with the intention of getting away with it, but to buy time. Tine that was needed to throw the investigation off and destroy evidence. They knew eventually the lie would come back to them.
Just to help the monkeys on their way. Joran is going to live in Amsterdam, and if my memory is correct a lot of American tourists come by, perhaps you can pay a visit. Many people dissapear in Amsterdam, one more doesn’t make a difference
Don’t feed the trolls or the obviously stupid.
@ Dutchman
Remember how we call people like you.. NSB-er
Dutchman:
It would be so much more fun to have him and his
father, both, humiliated in front of a Federal
Judge where there are no “special favors”.
I wonder if Joran will weep when he finally meets
his end and is forced to serve his time in a
federal prison without Daddy to hold his hand
while he sucks his thumb and reads his Bible.
Surely, Anita, the caregiver in this crime will
find herself in a whole nother world amongst
American’s most violent women who would consider
what she did deserving of a “Death” sentence.
And poor Paulus, with his broken home and his
broken career. Surely, he will not be afforded
the opportunity to special treatment, no matter
how much money he has… or THINKS he has. He’ll
have lots of time to write that book, that will
never be published… and, perhaps, the two
younger brothers will come to know that crime
doesn’t pay, contrary to what they have been
taught, their whole lives.
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They will all be locked in a cage… forever!
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Captured!!!!!
Hey…. Payback’s a bitch!
@Thijssie
Heil HOLLAND!
werner; 400 that is the problem with someone of your nationality; when someone suffers from rectal cranial syndrome. You just don’t understand sarcasism. Everything is black and white with no shades of grey to you.
Why are you assholes on such a defense. You know aruba is wrong but in your own little twisted minds you can’t realize that some people really do care; unlike you who expect the rest of the world to be like Aruba. Well some of us do care. You know I’m sick of paying income taxes to support the world. No kick backs on the Irag conflict; I didn’t buy into that one.
While on the subject; There was only one country that repaid to the US it’s WWII war debts. Don’t bother looking the Low Lands was not the one. And on top of that to have the Queen Bea’s husband have ties to Nazi Germany; your people should have made her abdicate the throne or was that the other throne?
I have only one further comment; what ever you wish for Natalee, the Holloways and the Twittys; I wish for you double.
10061906 wrote:
And on top of that to have the Queen Bea’s husband have ties to Nazi Germany; your people should have made her abdicate the throne or was that the other throne?
In the first place it is Queen Beatrix, and her husband did not have “ties” go Nazi Germany. He was in the Hitler youth but as that was mandatory not choice one can hardly hold that against him. He was also conscripted into the Wehrmacht (again not a Nazi institution) and was at school during that time.
Prince Claus von Amsberg was a wonderful person and he was a very humane, peaceful and honorable person and to see him accused of being a Nazi is one of the most sickest and cruelest insults to such a marvelous person.
Start talking {{{edit}} about another country and start looking at your own country. Go and do something about America’s loweducation, the criminals that live there, the fat people, the state debt, the fall of the dollar.
So yeah boycotting Aruba would have some good effects on your country oh wait no it won’t because you will spend your money on bullshit anyway. And finally America will go bankrupt and it is China and Europa that will finance America more like they do now anyway! Get a f{{edit}} better president like Bill Clinton!
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SM: Well you just showed how uninformed you are by your Bill Clinton reference.
Think you can string a sentence together with cursing? That also is a sign of intelligence.
R
@Rammstein
Correct Rammstein, Claus was a wonderful guy, very pleasant to be around him, and always had a good sense of humor.
Please do the right thing America! BOYCOTT ARUBA…make them pay for what they did!
BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com
btw. what did Aruba do?
Aruba is a country and not a person.
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The truth has come out. Stupid Americans, believing in every story you hear!!
See the news, Bet twitty is the one behind all this. Leave Aruba alone. If u want to blame someone, blame your own egocentric selfs. U believe u own this planet, tell u what..u do not!!
Folks like u let other folks admire Osama…
thank u!!
He has now admitted his guilt under survalance, and they raped her and dumped her in the water. Why have they not found the body, you think you will in the ocean? No. Bmut an admit of guilt is enough. Death Penatly (GUILTY). A judges son, discusting. The judge needs to resin and leave the country. His time and his friends involved will come to an end. They had the right three in the beginning, it’s evidence, money and power are the only thing holding it up, but she will prvail. My heart goes out to her family and extended family, the world is here for you Halloway’s family.