Amigoe: Beth Twitty Returns to the Scene of the Crime … Back to Aruba … What Happened to Natalee Holloway?


This past weekend, Beth Twitty and Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren returned to Beth_Twitty_Fthe place where 18 year old Natalee Holloway went missing more than two years ago. Beth Twitty will be discussing the events tonight with Greta Van Susteren, ‘On the Record’.

• What happened to Natalee? Tune in Wednesday night when Greta and Beth Holloway head back to Aruba to retrace their steps, reexamine the evidence and reveal an investigation shocker! (Fox: On the Record)

Just when Aruba thought they had effectively made the Natalee Holloway story go away along comes Beth Twitty’s new book and media tour reminding everyone what happened 2+ years ago and what has not happened by Aruban authorities in her new book, “Loving Natalee: A mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith’. The subtitle is: ‘The true story of the Aruba kidnapping and its aftermath’.

Amigoe; October 3, 2007: Twitty with Fox TV in Aruba

Last weekend, Beth Twitty and the reporter of Fox TV, Greta van Susteren (on the fore with striped blouse), were in Aruba.

ORANJESTAD – Beth Twitty, the mother of the in May of 2005 disappeared American teenager Natalee Holloway, was in Aruba last weekend with the American reporter Greta van Susteren, who interviewed Twitty about her book “Loving Natalee: A mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith’. The subtitle is: ‘The true story of the Aruba kidnapping and its aftermath’. The book is published tomorrow and it contains according to Twitty, the ‘true story behind the kidnapping of her daughter’ and what happened afterwards.

Also Natalee’s father Dave Holloway published a book in April of 2006: ‘Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise’. Yet another book was published on the same subject; this time the author is the suspect Joran van der Sloot, who currently is in college in the Netherlands and told his own story about the disappearance in ‘De zaak Natalee Holloway’. Van Susteren and her camera-team taped Twitty at several locations, including the police station in Noord and California Lighthouse. On the site she writes about her professional cameras having been confiscated when she arrived in Aruba on Saturday, because her paperwork was not in order. They were prepared though: the three handy-cams they had with them were the solution. The site also shows a ‘pursuit’. The recordings can be seen on FOX on Wednesday evening.

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  • Comments

    162 Responses to “Amigoe: Beth Twitty Returns to the Scene of the Crime … Back to Aruba … What Happened to Natalee Holloway?”

    1. Richard on October 3rd, 2007 10:18 am

      Let’s hope that the media will not just pick up on this story now that Beth’s book makes it “hot” again, and then dump it.

      This is an American family seeking justice, and in the process grappling with a hostile foreign government. Nobody can say that Aruba is anything BUT an unfriendly government, given its actions, inactions and lies over the last two years and more.

      (And before that, too, but nobody tried to lift the veil before Natalee’s case.)

      So let’s do what we can to keep the pressure on Aruba … and on OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

      “No justice for Natalee? No tourists for Aruba.”

    2. Richard on October 3rd, 2007 10:23 am

      By the way, has ANYTHING happened in the Kalpoes-vs-Dr. Phil case since the California judge ruled that they have to turn over the documents?

      As far as I know, the whole thing has just dropped out of the news … seems to be par for the course, doesn’t it?

    3. Ray on October 3rd, 2007 10:24 am

      I say never let then forget.

    4. on October 3rd, 2007 10:34 am

      Greta tends to hype the smallest things so I wonder if this “shocker” is just something like Dumbpig back in charge at the police station. Or who knows, maybe they gave the chief investigator job to Anita or Satish. Would that not be just like Aruba?

      Of course the trolls will just say that the whole visit to Aruba was just to sell books. We know that while it may help sell books, Beth’s purpose in the book is to honor her daughter and expose Aruba for the “one crappy little island” that it is.

      Guess I’ll have to read here tonight about what happens because Greta’s show is up against the finals for Top Chef which I’ve watched all season.

      Pearl and all telling us how “well” Aruba’s tourism is doing but yet when I’m about the Net seeking something for us to do in Dec. or Jan. I see “Aruba Specials” all over the place. If they were doing so well, they wouldn’t have to be giving away their rooms.

      My best to the Holloway and Twitty families. I only hope they are not reading all the hate spewed out by Arubans on Greta’s blog and the 24ora site. The human condition of people having some understanding for what another human is going through seems to be totally dead.

    5. Vicki on October 3rd, 2007 11:03 am

      kat,its a shame that after all these years of the tourist going to LIERUBA we find out that they hate us… sorry can an Island be? and that stinkin M1P6 sprewing his gossip….disgusting..and if charlie ratfink ever posts here again, beware hes a disgusting troll.

      Beths book is telling everyone Natalee still is missing…on that volcanic ashe.

    6. Mr. Aquila on October 3rd, 2007 11:22 am

      Thank GOD for Greta. She will not let anyone forget. Greta we LOVE you.

    7. JusticeforNatalee on October 3rd, 2007 11:43 am

      Hey, guys,

      If you want to see photos of Beth’s book signing in NY,
      check out the latest Natalee discussion, beginning approx. p. 35

      I attended and can tell you that Beth is one very nice, gracious woman.

      Some very nice photos inside.

    8. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2007 12:46 pm

      Oh, JusticeforNatalee…

      Those ARE great pics!

      Thanks for pointing

      me there.

    9. Pearl on October 3rd, 2007 12:47 pm

      It seems that tourism must be a very big concern for so many hateful remarks to surface as those without conscience and lacking in integrity continue to slander Beth and Natalee.

      They cannot crush Natalee’s truth, and it is festering away that they cannot silence this child’s painful story.

      “Hope is always obtainable……Faith holds no boundaries. With hope, prayer and faith a human being can endure almost anything. I’m proof of that.”

      Beth Holloway, c 2007, Loving Natalee

      If tourism is so jolly fine, then why have those with such wretchedness in their hearts, persisted in coming here for two long years?

      I don’t think things are as “fine” as they are being “reported”; but then – we knew within the first 24 hours of Natalee’s disappearance, that truth in reporting was never a value by the corrupt officials charged with “investigating” Natalee’s disappearance.



    10. brie on October 3rd, 2007 12:50 pm

      Any word on the water search? Jossy said he would keep us posted.

    11. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2007 12:55 pm

      My best to the Holloway and Twitty families. I only hope they are not reading all the hate spewed out by Arubans on Greta’s blog and the 24ora site. The human condition of people having some understanding for what another human is going through seems to be totally dead.

      You can say that again!

      How they so viciously
      attack someone who is the mother of a person
      “missing” (ahem * murdered by local teens) on their island…

      …and then turn around and wonder

      why nobody wants to come to that floating T-BISCUIT…




      You need a friggin’ shrink, in a bad way. -j4n

    12. Susan on October 3rd, 2007 1:04 pm

      I’m not holding my breath in hopes of a real “investigation shocker” :-( How many times have we all (especially the family) gotten our hopes built up, only to be let down? TOO MANY!!



    13. Vicki on October 3rd, 2007 1:16 pm

      Justice, thank you….Im so jealous you all got to meet her and hug her….man…..what a woman and Mother…Pearl, you are so right…tourism is down…only lowlifes go there…you can get a Natalee tshirt for 12.95 printed front and back..and that includes shipping. Whenever I wear my tshirt, I get asked lots of questions by perfect strangers and I answer them..ita a great way to get Natalees story out there and also to tell ppl that the very ones wanting us to spend our money on their Island are the very ones hating Americans…disgusting.

    14. benh on October 3rd, 2007 1:24 pm

      Glad to see greta reporting on case again,wonder what Oreilly thinks of this, concidering how he SLANDERED Natalee ,With his CREDIBLE ARUBAN SOURCE.GO BETH GO.

    15. Jean on October 3rd, 2007 1:36 pm

      I think this is great that Beth and Greta have gone over there again. Except for there cameras being taken. Now we all know they don’t want our new channels over there. Hope you keep it up and the Hell with Aruba. I can’t wait to read Beths book. Should be sent to every person that was on the case and the 3 guys. Good luck Beth, my prayers are with you to have something come up so you know where your daughter is. Boycot Aruba!!

    16. brie on October 3rd, 2007 1:37 pm

      The investigation shocker may be their visit to the Noord Police Station and the video they took. It seems like there was no one there. They could of seen something posted on the wall concerning Natalee. Greta says, “Just wait until they see the video and I’m never going back there”. Perhaps after what she filmed it would be to dangerous to go back. I’ll guess we’ll see tonight!

    17. brie on October 3rd, 2007 1:51 pm

      Let it known that Aruba hates American’s, they much prefer the Chinese and the South American’s.

    18. ayfit on October 3rd, 2007 2:50 pm

      Again great post. I like the OUR GOVERNMENT part!!
      good luck Beth,I’ll be watching tonight.

    19. Gabriel Leo on October 3rd, 2007 2:57 pm

      The big shocker of which lovely Greta is going to talk about on her show is how she went to the old police station and..OMG THERE WAS NO ONE THERE! WHAT A SHOCKER!! Big No NO. Meanwhile if she had asked anyone there they would have told her that since last year or maybe 1,5 year ago the new Police Station was opened about a quarter of a mile down the road and my gosh she would have seen people there. But HEY WHAT EVER SWINGS RATINGS her way!!
      And LET’s have a GO at her now, BC HOW DARE SHE POST ON HER “Greta Wire” that Aruba has nice beaches and blue skies…SHAME ON HER!
      SM: How do YOU know what the big shocker will be? By the way, even though the old Noord station was being used by the beach police, why would they leave the place UNLOCKED with paperwork and equipment out for anyone to take? Sounds like more ineptness to me. (klaasend)

    20. BeccaBangBus on October 3rd, 2007 3:04 pm

      Aruba was ready for Greta and Beth.The Aruban National Surity put their best agent on the case.His name was 00Joe aka ex police chief Dumpig.

    21. Miss-Underestimated on October 3rd, 2007 3:22 pm

      Maybe with Greta stating she will never go back there, may be the nail in the coffin for Aruba.

      BTW, the picture on her site show NO PEOPLE ON THE BEACH, SO WHAT WAS THE BEACH PATROL DOING?

    22. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 3:24 pm

      Richard 1 and 2 here is my two or three cents…
      (Paulus is asked about the fact that he gave an explanation about the juridical procedures)
      ”It is true indeed that I explained to them how the procedures of the Wetboek van Strafvordering”
      Wetboek van Strafvordering (Code of Criminal Procedure), article 67, specifies which crimes, apart from those for which carry a maximum term of four years, can lead to custodial imprisonment. Article 240b could be added to this list, if that were considered desirable. [Back]

      On your question if I have said that if there is no body there is no
      case I can declare that I might have said something meaning that it is
      difficult to suspect someone of a crime when no body is found.
      Just what kind of lawyer is Paulus van der Sloot; Defense or Prosecutor?
      He must know quite well the code of criminal procedure for kidnapping, rape, manslaughter and improperly disposing of a body. One has to know the criminal code and sentences quite well in order to advise someone based on these links.

      As Paulus, Joran, Satish, Deepak, Koen, Sanders, Freddie, Geoff, Guido, Michael Dompig and Jan van der Straaten reviewed each one’s contribution to Natalee’s disappearance each criminal code that applied and would lead to prosecution, had to be eliminated.
      Just what is the punishment on Aruba for both minor and adult for:
      *Forceful rape.
      *Physical abuse.
      *Illegal administering of drugs.
      *Assault with intent to commit manslaughter.
      Abandoning a person who can not provide self defense.
      *Abusing a corpse.
      *Illegal disposing of a corpse.
      Lying as a witness.
      Lying as a suspect.
      *Anyone of these actions are felonies in the USA AND ARE violations of Natalee’s civil rights.
      So where the F—k is our State Department and ,,,,,never mind. I’m so pi$$ed off I don’t want to curse anymore.

    23. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 3:26 pm

      Richard 1 and 2 here is my two cents
      (Paulus is asked about the fact that he gave an explanation about the
      juridical procedures)
      ”It is true indeed that I explained to them how the procedures of the Wetboek van Strafvordering”
      Wetboek van Strafvordering (Code of Criminal Procedure), article 67, specifies which crimes, apart from those for which carry a maximum term of four years, can lead to custodial imprisonment. Article 240b could be added to this list, if that were considered desirable. [Back]

      On your question if I have said that if there is no body there is no
      case I can declare that I might have said something meaning that it is
      difficult to suspect someone of a crime when no body is found.
      Just what kind of lawyer is Paulus van der Sloot; Defense or Prosecutor?
      He must know quite well the code of criminal procedure for kidnapping, rape, manslaughter and improperly disposing of a body. One has to know the criminal code and sentences quite well in order to advise someone based on these links.

      As Paulus, Joran, Satish, Deepak, Koen, Sanders, Freddie, Geoff, Guido, Michael Dompig and Jan van der Straaten reviewed each one’s contribution to Natalee’s disappearance each criminal code that applied and would lead to prosecution, had to be eliminated.
      Just what is the punishment on Aruba for both minor and adult for:
      *Forceful rape.
      *Physical abuse.
      *Illegal administering of drugs.
      *Assault with intent to commit manslaughter.
      Abandoning a person who can not provide self defense.
      *Abusing a corpse.
      *Illegal disposing of a corpse.
      Lying as a witness.
      Lying as a suspect.
      *Anyone of these actions are felonies in the USA AND ARE violations of Natalee’s civil rights.
      So where the F—k is our State Department and ,,,,,never mind. I’m so pi$$ed off I don’t want to curse anymore.

      Pardon me if this is double posted

    24. nani on October 3rd, 2007 3:29 pm

      well aruba, looks like your itty bitty island is in the news again. Gosh it’s never good news for the aruba citizens is it? While this is the time people start planning what they’re going to do on vacation next year. *On the record* will be a niffty little reminder to all that aruba stiil hasn’t arrested the suspects so it will be safer to go elsewhere. Sorry aruba,
      Heard anita wanted a piece of the action with Greta but was basicaly snubbed by Beth and Greta. LOL! Good. What would she possibly have to say? That she’s a vicitm? lol lol
      Give it up anita no matter what you say nobody will believe you, nor will we give you a forum to spout more lies. Well done Greta and Beth!

    25. Richard on October 3rd, 2007 3:47 pm

      Where is our State Department? Turning its head … covering its eyes … heeding the blandishments that Aruban officials feed it.

      That’s my guess.

      Boycott Aruba … as if your life depended on it.

    26. Richard on October 3rd, 2007 3:49 pm

      Klassend, the police were probably “on duty” having a few beers at Carlos ‘n’ Charlies … and, perhaps, planning God knows what.

      Or maybe linking up with their drug cohorts. Have to get a bit of that tourist money before it stops coming in altogether….

    27. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 3:54 pm

      Hey Gab…. You been hanging out too long with Guido and Geoff.

    28. ayfit on October 3rd, 2007 4:25 pm

      Does anyone other than myself remember the ” I’m proned to believe him ” remark from Greta. On Joron.

    29. brie on October 3rd, 2007 4:35 pm

      I think Beth is a remarkable women and we can thank her for all her strength and dedication to Natalee. She’s has dedicated her life to the safety of our young American’s.

      We will never forget or give in:

      Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty-never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.

      Winston Churchill

      And that is what we have to say to Aruba! American’s will never give in on finding Justice For Natalee. You talk among yourselves and say you know what happened. But afraid to say anything. My what a frightening place to live. You could make an anonymous call, or calls or send a letter. There are ways of giving us the information we need. But nope, you prefer the boycott to continue.

    30. brie on October 3rd, 2007 4:48 pm

      Aruba must be a really scary place to live. Afraid to speak up and tell the truth. We don’t care who speaks up and let’s us know what happened. Collect the reward money and leave the island. Or, I’m sure you could remain anonymous and remain on the island. I would suggest leaving, but your going to be rich and I’m sure it would be noticed. Somebody, somewhere has got to have the guts and backbone to speak up!

    31. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 4:52 pm

      The point I was trying to make was that there was a lot more details dicussed than just where there is no body there is no case syndrome.

    32. brie on October 3rd, 2007 4:55 pm

      …#19..Hey Gab, I would think Aruba should be worried about ratings…why don’t you tell us what happened????

    33. JusticeforNatalee on October 3rd, 2007 5:10 pm

      Hello, Gabe Leo,

      Lots of places have nice beaches; many of them in the US.
      Why, Santa Barbara, CA is stunning!

      Aruba’s main problem right now is not Greta’s shocker at the police station but Aruba’s three (or more) perps roaming free.

      It’s almost as if they are an advertisement even though you don’t want them to be.

      Sorry, but
      American tourists are going to avoid Aruba until there is justice.
      Not all Americans of, course. But many. More and more.

      Beth’s book is going to be a best seller. She is very well respected in the US. Her book is well written and compelling.

    34. brie on October 3rd, 2007 5:11 pm

      NO passports to Aruba…definitely declared a place to avoid…our gov’t needs to assist!

    35. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 5:27 pm

      On Monday April 24th 2006, GVC is released. GVC had an alibi for the night that Natalee Holloway disappeared. Apparently GVC wasn’t the “G” from Amsterdam with whom Natalee was in love.

      Joran is convinced it’s correct that GVC has been released. They don’t have a single bit of evidence against GVC, just like they don’t have any evidence against him.
      Hey ALE what was Geoff’s alibi. Can we read it too?

    36. brie on October 3rd, 2007 5:34 pm

      … can have a murder case without a body….we just might be headed there.

    37. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 5:48 pm

      brie 36:

      It can happen. But it takes gonads to do it.
      I havn’t seen any here yet>>>>
      Check here though.

    38. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 5:54 pm

      Could this be Geoff’s reason to stop talking on the beach with the girl and head back to the hotel.
      What say you Geoff???

    39. brie on October 3rd, 2007 5:56 pm

      ..1906..just do you thing GVC might have been involved….or how did his appearance play in the disappearance…I’m not saying your wrong…but what do you think he did!

    40. brie on October 3rd, 2007 6:01 pm

      They… all lie and lie and they lie….it’s a big game for them….well, come domesday and we’ll see!

    41. brie on October 3rd, 2007 6:10 pm

      I think the whole investigation stinks…the guilty are Joran and the Kalpoes…they arrested so many people trying to blame the crime on someone else…Joran is definitely guilty with the help of ?

    42. Pearl on October 3rd, 2007 6:11 pm

      Miss Underestimated, #21, it turns out that the “beach patrol” was operating some heavy machinery – in fact, a fork lift is the rumor going around, and it was being back-loaded up to Jacobs mouth with his next massive dose of Frosted Flakes loaded in.

      And that’s why no one was at the beach patrol station.

      Boycott Aruba because your life DOES depend on it!

    43. Maggie on October 3rd, 2007 6:24 pm

      Natalee looks so cute and happy in those videos on ABC this morning and Beth looks great. My heart goes out to Natalee’s family, what a big void it left by losing such a bright ray of sunshine in their lives.

    44. Julia Renho on October 3rd, 2007 7:50 pm

      Screw aruba.

    45. nychic (back in tx) on October 3rd, 2007 8:31 pm

      Beth Was The Key Factor In Exposing The
      Filth Who Control Aruba

      If Beth Had Not Arrived So Quickly
      Those Security Tapes Would Have Been In
      The Same “Place” As All Other Evidence
      Beth Is A Hero

      Beth Exposed The Greed of Aruba
      Tourism Authority and Casino Owners
      That Is Why They Hate Her
      They Choose Money Over Human Lives – Pathetic !


      BTW -
      The View Gave Away 2 Free Trips To Aruba Today
      Guess It Was The Cheapest Deal
      I Already Emailed Them At:

    46. diverboy on October 3rd, 2007 8:58 pm

      for what its worth Aruba……you have the Van der Sloots and the Kalpoes to blame for all of this. Innocent people don’t lie…and cockroaches run like hell when the light is shinning…..light a little too bright now is it? Greta flicked the light switch on you? Well…you have a cockroach problem or is it Kockroach? Maybe you need to stomp on these insects before they make more damage to your beautiful island (it actually is a nice place..aside all the inbreeding with the Croes)

    47. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 9:13 pm

      brie 39 a long answer to a short question.
      Why do I think Geoff is in on it?
      Geoff says he did not know Natalee.
      Geoff says he did not know Joran.
      Geoff says he does not know Guido.
      Geoff says he does not know Michael.

      Michael and Geoff worked for VCB until Geoff’s father fired both of them.
      They were beach security guards.
      I have pictures of him in Aruba police tee shirts.
      “You would be surprised what we can get the girls to do when we tell them we are police officers.”
      I have numerous pictures of Geoff with female tourist.
      I also have pictures of him posing for the cameras in the Holiday Inn Rooms.
      Geoff accosted Natalee several times at C and C’s. When Natalee pushed him, Geoff slapped Natalee. Natalee may have threatened to call the police. MBHS statements say that Natalee and Geoff were together at the casino the night she disappeared. Natalee while at the casino was constantly on the cell phone; some say it was to Geoff.
      Geoff’s father installed security cameras at the Holiday Inn and the Excelsior casino. The casino tape that was sent to ABC could have come from Geoff to solidify Joran being near Natalee that night.
      Geoff also could have erased the lobby tapes if Natalee was taken to a room at the Holiday Inn.
      He had access. He would have had motive.
      Geoff was mentioned as being jealous when Natalee was paying more attention to Joran on previous nights.
      Geoff has/had a white pick up truck that he was in a hurry to get rid of.
      The witness says three men placed a female in a pick up truck.
      Geoff’s father was a policeman in The Netherlands for 18 years. I’m sure his path crossed Jan Van der Straaten while they were both there. They belong to the same social club as Paulus.
      When the girl meet Geoff at C and C’s, they went back to the Holiday Inn and Geoff left his ID with this girl’s friends while they strolled the beach. Geoff got nervous when he noticed the beach patrol. When asked about the Natalee Holloway case, Geoff immediately stopped talking and went straight back to the hotel without saying another word.
      Geoff was arrested but released because he had an alibi. The ALE has never said what was the alibi.
      Glasses similar to what Geoff wears was found in Lago along with a VCB sport shirt and a bottle which may have contained cleaning fluid.
      I think that Geoff was after Natalee that night but Joran got there first. While Joran and Natalee were together. Geoff showed up. They placed Natalee on the bed of his pickup truck along with a mattress. While they were having their way with a drugged Natalee something happened.
      You take it from there.
      Am I right? Who knows but the Pimps. Who knows that I’m wrong only the pimps.
      The Marriot is close to Malmok where the Gottenbos live. Wayne is an insurance agent, I’m sure he had dealings with Willeim van Croimvoirt for liability insurance for VCB.
      Michael Dompig, cousins to the Kalpoes through marriage, ratted on Geoff as being involved with Natalee’s disappearance.
      Everything here is IMHO and afraid merely conjecture from what I have read.

    48. nani on October 3rd, 2007 9:17 pm

      Sent a little message to the View!
      Thanks mychick!
      Anyone else?
      Speak up!

    49. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 9:19 pm

      brie 47.PS
      It has been rumored that Geoff was on beach security that night which would have put him in the vicinity of the Marriot and Holiday Inns. The beach patrols dress in black. They also have SUV’s and Pick up trucks. Also ATV’s.
      Do you remember Natalee’s roomates said that a hand tried to open their door from outside. When they looked to investigate they saw a male dressed in black. No other ID.

    50. viet vet on October 3rd, 2007 9:56 pm

      1006, you have much insight. Truth is, Paulus and Joran are minor to the problem….seems if Joran’s statement is allowed he implicates more abuse to tourists from the PIMPS, and that is the reason the investigation was run by the Tourist Division of Aruba’s government. Looks bad for Aruba as to what happened to Natalee, but what if Joran says it has happened hundreds of times by Dutch Arubans preying on tourist Americans. They don’t like us, only the money we bring, so lets jump and rape all their young girls….and guess what, everyone in the Aruban government knew…that’s why we got the coverup. Let the truth get out on what happened to Natalee and Joran/Paulus will tell how many others were abused. Can’t let that out or tourism will shrenk to zero. Yes, tell it all Beth, I back you 100% and yes the seven of us uncovered the whole mess, just can’t get anyone other than a Winchester to do anything about it. What was your question 1006? You seem to be a good poster with intelligence and foresight.

    51. Bob on October 3rd, 2007 10:24 pm

      In my travels over the years, I’ve been to some of the finest locations in the entire world, and on rare occassion, the bowels of the earth. Some of the best include Paris, Buenos Aires, Beverly Hills, and London. The worst include Tijuana, Bangkock,and Aruba. Aruba gets the vote for the most useless pile of dirt. Congrats.

    52. Susan on October 3rd, 2007 11:01 pm


    53. on October 3rd, 2007 11:07 pm

      So what was Greta’s shocking news?

    54. Susan on October 3rd, 2007 11:11 pm

      katablog- apparently nothing!

    55. Maggie on October 3rd, 2007 11:13 pm

      I just watched Greta’s special about Natalee , can’t say I am surprised at what they met in Aruba, after all it’s been that way for 2 and a half years. Thought it was very telling what when Beth said they went to the house that night and the cops turned on the sirens and honked for about 10 minutes. Paulus claims to have been asleep, but when he comes to the door to talk to the police, he is carrying his cell phone. Like what a coincidence he needed that phone to call Joran. Who gets out of bed and goes to the door to talk to the police and you supposedly you don’t even know why they are there and you are carrying your cellphone?

    56. Susan on October 3rd, 2007 11:14 pm

      Oh, and by the way – the sole purpose was merely for RATINGS! Geez…

    57. brie on October 3rd, 2007 11:21 pm

      …1906..just a ? could Geoff be on beach security when he had been previously fired from his job?

    58. 10061906 on October 3rd, 2007 11:59 pm

      brie 57:
      Good question.
      I don’t have the specific date but it was after May 30th, 2005. I believe late 2005 or early 2006.
      Willeim wanted to distance imself from the investigation and he thought by firing Geoff and Michael that would be sufficient.
      Geoff’s father finially sold his business and I believe he move back to The Netherlands.
      Willeim’s daughter I would guess is still a cop. Geoff may or may not have left the island.
      I don’t know why all these dutch nationals flee the island.
      If you are a Dutch National you CANNOT be extradited off Aruba. I believe only the Queen can approve extradition off Aruba if a DN.

    59. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2007 12:13 am

      lmao Those COWARD’S at the Noord police station ran out the back door when they saw Greta & Beth talking in the parking lot!

    60. Patti on October 4th, 2007 12:33 am

      I agree with Richard. We do need to put some pressure on our own government. Ours is one that is making an effort in providing investigations and imposing sanctions against countries that don’t do more to curb the international problem of human trafficking. And I am one that believes that trafficking takes on several different forms with victims from all walks of life; men, women and children.

      But, I also believe that it should not be the burden of only one country to finance the crack down on these traffickers, but should be a joint effort by all countries, led by the United Nations. Thank God that we have the State Department working in our behalf in keeping us abreast of where these problems lie, but when you have a single government with the responisibility, I think there can be cases where there is a conflict of interest.

      That is the reason that I think that The State Department has not been as hard on Aruba as it should be. We have secret military installations there which monitor drug cartel aircraft in that region. With the stance that Venezuela has taken against the U.S. in being totally non cooperative in that regard; we have grown, somewhat, dependent on Aruba.

      While I am disappointed in the lack of response by the State Department; I have some faith in the Dutch. The are our allies and it is only because of them that those military installations exist. It is my hope that the Dutch will reconsider their allowing Aruba to be self governing. The reason being that it is evident that since the Arawak Nation has been in a mode of self-rule, they have acted more like tyrants than like a civilized Nation. They have extended more good will toward their fellow Arawak Nation, Venezuela, than they have to the U.S. The Dutch are our allies and have been for years. They are assisting us in the Gulf War and I think it is in their best interest to reassert their political power and authoritive assistance back to Aruba. In my opinion, Aruba has made a fool of the Dutch with its’ anti-American reteric and in the way in which it treats its’ foreign visitors, whether they be American, Spaniard or Dutch.

      I believe the Dutch know what happened to Natalee and it will be only a matter of time before they lower the boom


      In closing, I would like to say what a lucky girl Natalee was to have such a wonderful mom. She has stuck by her side through thick and thin, fighting for her every inch of the way. She is a beautiful woman and a good example for all of us to follow. There is no wonder why there are so many people that love and care for her daughter, Natalee, because the love that they share is something that is truly special.

      I wish her continued success in her endevours in making the world a safer place to be for all of us and I feel that will become her daughter’s legacy.

      God Bless You, Beth…


    61. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2007 12:46 am

      Yeah Maggie…..Paulus came out with a cell phone to call Jurine with before he even checked his apartment yet stating dipshit went out with his permission.

    62. Patti on October 4th, 2007 1:22 am


      Did she say that she was able to review the tapes at the casino (I can’t remember the name… I know it starts with an R) and that Joran was not there?

      Remember, Paulus supposedly called Joran at the casino and told him that they were going there to get him, while, Joran supposedly misunderstood and went to the house. So they had to return to the house to talk to him? Alot of people believed that he was there, at the house all along and that Paulus just made up that story to buy time.

      That was the BEGINNING of the RATRACE.

    63. brie on October 4th, 2007 1:59 am

      …#61..Hey Mayan…with all do respect…Joran never gets permission, he just does what he wants. Paulus may try and act like he is in control but we know better. The brat does what he wants! And if you try and stop him, because he is so far out of control, he’ll throw a brick through the window!!!

    64. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2007 2:11 am

      Beth reviewed the HI casino tape and was told by employee’s of the Wyndym i think that Jurine was NOT in their casino as Paules told the police & the family.

    65. brie on October 4th, 2007 2:18 am

      … you mean Joran was not in their casino winning all that money later that day with Guildo?

    66. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2007 2:19 am

      No offense taken brie as i know Jurine did as he pleased and just as sure that Paules modeled that kind of behaviour himself as we see him sitting next to a teenage Natalee the night she goes *missing*.

    67. Patti on October 4th, 2007 2:24 am


      I get the point though.

      If Paulus was asleep

      and didn’t know that Joran was gone,

      why would he come out with his cell phone.

      How’d he know they were looking for Joran, anyway?

      It took him a while to figure out what to do.

      They were ringing and honking for 10 minutes

      before the ugly, mad professor showed his face…

      and then he walked out to the gate

      instead of inviting them in.

      I’ll bet Natalee was there the whole time, too.

      That was the night he told Beth that he had
      picked up Joran and Natalee near the Marriot
      at four o’clock in the morning and dropped
      Natalee off at her hotel.

      Sure, Joran does what he wants to do; but in
      this case, his father was in on it, too.


    68. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2007 2:47 am

      They may have been there at some earlier time that evening but i don’t believe he went there at all on May 31st.

      Wonder how many other underage kid’s are laundering that drug money in Aruba’s casinos?

    69. Miss-Underestimated on October 4th, 2007 8:43 am


      You got that right; they left the lights on, a jacket on a chair and the cabinet in the front office open and fled out the back door.

      What a bunch of wusses. It is no wonder nothing ever gets done in Aruba the ALE is always to busy running from someone.

      I hope the viewers of Greta took notice. I mean, what are tourists to do if there is a problem. Oh, Beth already answered that; she had to figure out herself what to do.

      I like Pearls answer to where the beach patrol was, feeding Jacobs; he was looking to get his strength up to face Beth.

    70. Susan on October 4th, 2007 8:51 am

      Gab – you hit the nail right on the head! How did you know anyway? You must be from Aruba, right, or have relatives there?

      I’ll never, ever watch Greta again!! I’m sick and tired of all of her freaking HYPE. She made herself look like a total, complete idiot and is making a mockery out of Natalee’s disappearance!



    71. brie on October 4th, 2007 9:42 am

      Susan, I missed the show. What was the investigation shocker?

    72. nurturer on October 4th, 2007 10:28 am

      So, Aruba’s police force actually RUN and HIDE, when they see Beth Twitty show up?

      I can just imagine a bunch of overweight super-dweebs bumping into each other and squeezing together through the backdoor frame to escape that mean American lady.

    73. 10061906 on October 4th, 2007 10:42 am

      Please bear with me this may take a while to develop and don’t read just part of it or it will make no sense.
      First of all we have to tie everyone together.
      We know Guido plays racquet ball with Joran, and probably knows Keon, Sanders and Freddie who are friends of Joran.
      Geoff gets tied in with Natalee at C and C’s plus the Casino.
      Geoff and Michael Dompig were friends. Michael Dompig is related to the Kalpoes.
      Michael stated that Geoff was tied in with Natalee’s disappearance and also that Joran went out on the Gottenbos speedboat on May 30th, 2005. As security guards they could have assisted Keon in launching his father’s boat.
      At that time Michael and Geoff worked for VCB as Beach Security guards.
      Both were fired after Geoff was arrested.
      Michael is never questioned he flies under the radar and there is no record of new employment.
      Michael along with Andreas; hustle girls at the Holiday Inn and Michael is probably a drug dealer for his uncle Boeti.
      With his father as police commissioner there is no chance of an arrest; no need for an alibi and his timeline for May 30th is non-existent. Neither is Andreas who may have been with Geoff at C and C’s when Geoff slapped Natalee.
      Guido works for the casino as a dealer.
      Joran was a high school student.
      Koen was a drop out.
      Sanders went to school and plays soccer with Joran.
      Deepak works at the Internet Café now owned by his father.
      Satish who knows????
      Freddie takes photos and video tapes. Probably gets paid from Pink Productions.
      (There was an xxx rated video on a NL web site titled Natalee and Joran parts I and II.
      Someone went through a lot of money and trouble to make that video. The first part looks like Natalee. The second part involving graphic sex does not look at all like Natalee.)
      I believe there were many factors that happened and Natalee just got wrapped up in them.
      She was the target for hump the female tourist on the last night on the Island.
      She was picked from a hidden camera in her hotel room.
      It was stated that she was romantically involved with a Dutch Boy. It has been denied that it was Geoff. However he tried to hump her at C and C’s and I believe he was the person trying to open Natalee’ s door one night. It was also stated by the MBHS students that Geoff was with Natalee at the casino on May 29th 2005.
      The game narrowed down to Natalee’s last few hours on the Island and Joran was determined to win this game that the pimps were playing.
      Where does Guido fit in?
      He said he had made arrangements to go to Holland before Natalee disappeaered yet he was arrested for heavy battery. We still don’t know the complete story as to why he was released.
      We still don’t know the ALE report on Geoff’s alibi.
      Wayne Gottenbos would not permit the police to question Keon for a second time and do not have the complete statement from the first questioning.
      How does Natalee get wrapped up in this scenario?
      She is choosen for hump the tourist.
      Williem sells voyeur tapes from the Holiday Inn guest rooms to Pink Productions.
      Why was Natalee’s room changed and then why was it renovated after her disappearance?
      Nagging question as to why Natalee’s close friends left her at C and C’s.
      “A white car trailing Deepak’s car.”
      Guido owned a white car. Coincidence.
      “Three males placing a female on the back of a white pickup.”
      Geoff owned a white pickup. Coincidence.
      I forgot where does Guido fit in.
      How about as a black jack dealer he lets Joran and others win.
      Joran wins back some money for Ruth but at one point Joran won some money for Natalee at Black Jack. Where does Joran get his money? Not from that ridiculous allowance. Where does Paulus get his winnings? Definitly not from Poker.
      He couldn’t bluff his way out of a paper bag.
      So why was Natalee murdered?
      Joran trying to win the game.
      Geoff out of revenge and jealousy.
      Guido to silence Natalee.
      Some how Natalee knew about Guido and the dirty dealings at Black Jack and he was afraid that the police, the casino or the drug dealers would find out. He had to get off the island. Maybe when Joran was winning he slipped up and told Natalee about Guido and he was afraid she would tell someone else and his career would be in jeopardy.
      VCB is sold and van Cromvoirt goes back to Holland.
      The Gottenbos move to Georgia.
      Joran, Guido and Geoff are in Holland.
      Where was Natalee murdered. At the beach on a mattress in the back of a pickup.
      Geoff went to Joran’s to get the mattress while Joran was at C and C’s trying to get Natalee. She was then taken to the Van der Sloots after they realized she was not regaining consciousness.
      Later arrangements were made to get rid of the evidence and a body.
      Where is Natalee or her body? I’m afraid that only Rene knows. Van der Straaten left the island after Rene was murdered but before Robert Wayne Benson was found dead in a sealed container.
      Van der Straaten was never questioned about; “I know more about the case because I have seen the evidence”
      It is not just a simple I left a girl on the beach alone and walked home.
      I left her on the beach to be murdered.
      Joran, Geoff and Guido all had motives.
      By the way the FBI is treating the case as a homicide.
      I still can’t figure out where Shango or Simian fit in.
      Were they pimps giving clues to the game they were playing?
      Was there betting by heavy rollers on the outcome from the clues?
      What are Geoff, Guido and Joran doing now???
      If this is what happened you can see the reason for the cover up and the lies.

    74. Julia Renho on October 4th, 2007 10:52 am

      Go Greta! Go Beth!The Boycott Roll’s on!!!I emailed the View .I told them what stupid bitches they were!!!

    75. Mr. Aquila on October 4th, 2007 11:29 am

      I’m sorry I just can’t take it any more.

      {{Edit – just so you know, I’ve know you are Kelmal/Johnm/Gretamal for some time now, was just waiting for you to show your true colors}} ;)


    76. stoney on October 4th, 2007 11:52 am

      #76 (1006) tell me aboutthis video that looks like natalee never heard about it

    77. Carpe Noctem on October 4th, 2007 11:56 am

      Yo KEL,

      What part of the mitt are you in now?

      You effin’ flaming horse’s twanger!

      I was not missing you,

      like the rest of us. LOL



      > I’ll take “what is NOT” for 200, Alex.

    78. disgustedmom on October 4th, 2007 12:14 pm

      #70, Susan…I’m with ya on Greta! She made me sick with her childish antics at the cop station! And then she kept trying to get Beth to act like a crazy person…Beth kept declining and GRETA WOULD NOT LET IT GO! She kept bullying Beth to play along!

      I can’t stand Greta! And I don’t know why Beth would even go to Aruba with her so she could get ratings after Greta was so stupid she fell for Joran’s lies!

      Beth is entirely too trusting, and I know it comes from desperately wanting answers, but Greta is out for dirt, not answers! She even tried to make a fuss over the cars following them! She acted like some juvenile! Why wouldn’t cars be following them trying to get pictures? Of course, Greta finally did say that might be why they were following…but not before trying to make a big deal about it as if it were something clandestine!

      I remember when Greta went to Richmond Virginia when Taylor Behl was missing…she hounded people on a street corner and couldn’t get a proper rise out of anyone, then when she got to speak to Taylor’s mom she tried to make this silly thing out of it. Taylor’s mom would not play along. I was very happy to see that. Greta then went home. No one would play her silly circus games, so she was no longer interested in Taylor’s fate. Go Virginia! FO Greta!

    79. 10061906 on October 4th, 2007 12:21 pm

      stoney 76.
      I was following some info on a South American link and heard that Natalee had acted in an xxx video based on a link to Pink Productions. The SA link took me to a NL link.
      Overall I spent about 2 hours and after searching on the NL web site for about twenty minutes I finally opened up …
      Natalee Holloway and Joran Part I and Part II.
      The videos are each about two to three minutes long.
      The first one starts out with a nude blonde on a raft that resembles Natalee.
      The second involves sex on the shore and the girl although blond does not look like Natalee. The male resembles Joran but no way is it him.
      That video link has since disappeared.
      I downloaded it at the time around January 2006 and it was sent to the FBI and the Holloway, Twitty families for examination.
      The nude girl appears to have worn a hot pants bathing suit where as Beth said that Natalee had a bikini.
      Stills of the video can still be found on the net.

    80. Susan on October 4th, 2007 12:56 pm

      # 71 – brie – Greta’s “investigation shocker” was a police station in Noord, minus the police. Gab explains it in his comment above, stating that a new police station had been built a half block or so down the road. Again, Greta has mislead us and I’m outraged with her!

      # 78 – disgustedmom – I really expected to get a tongue lashing for speaking up against Greta…LOL! Thank you for agreeing :-) I’m glad Beth didn’t play along with Greta’s BS too. Beth has more class than Greta ever could.



    81. Pearl on October 4th, 2007 1:14 pm

      Why is it that the big “search” for Natalee,led by the corrupt of Aruba, somehow leads us to the conduct that depicts Paulus Van der Sloot cowardly hiding from Beth in the bushes on his ditch, others to sneak out and destroy previously made statements by a brutally tormented mother,suspects to lie and re-lie, and re-lie to the tune of so many changes allowed for in their statements, it makes the whole “statement taking” charade a saga on how to find a lie that fits the current lie-scenario, criminal suspects who are granted limitless liberties to change their time-lines and locations until they find a filthy lie that works?

      Why does Aruba’s version of “investigation”, always lead to more filthy lies, depraved conduct, corruption and conspiracy between depraved law enforcement officials charged with “investigating” Natalee’s “disapperance” and the hideous conduct of savage individuals who stole Natalee away from her family forever?

      Why does Paulus need to hide from Beth?
      Why does Van der Straaten lie to the media?
      Why does Jacobs put his name to statements that he has to know are all false?

      And THIS is supposed to be an “investigation”?


    82. Sharon Chicago on October 4th, 2007 1:16 pm

      I watched Greta last night and I am so glad that she reviewed with Beth what took place in Aruba.

      I am glad they stopped at the police department and no one came to the counter…sure shows the world how stupid the police department is. Of course they do not like Beth or Greta.

      Interesting that Beth said that she thinks the murder took place at the Vandersloots home and that others also think that.

      Beth, you are great…but please do not botox your lips again..let them look natural…your top lip is slim and was designed to be slim. :o ) thanks just a hopeful good tip for you…and keep on keeping on. I am behind you %100.

    83. Carpe Noctem on October 4th, 2007 1:25 pm

      Aruban Police stations are just like the ol’ pea under the nutshell Magician’s game! They just keep moving the police car and the orange cone
      all over the island!

      (and leaving the utilities on, and the doors unlocked to the public, with office furniture still in it.)

      It’s part of a new

      Aruban Crime Squad

      called the:

      “Invisibility Team”



    84. Sharon Chicago on October 4th, 2007 1:30 pm

      I was a bit dissappointed that the “sound bites” were hard to hear, with the wind blowing and all. I missed a few things said. I did not know maybe they were using a inexpensive recording system.

    85. Vicki on October 4th, 2007 1:44 pm

      #75- KLAAS, youre the best…I could smell that PIG from way off…Thank goodness you nipped that jerk in the bud…hahahahahahahahaha love it.

    86. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2007 2:03 pm

      Greta has done a couple of things i didn’t like but on the whole she did ALOT of good by pinning the double speaking official’s & police on some very important facts. She kept after them giving them enough rope to hang themselves in the court of public opinion.

      I don’t for a minute belive that BS about a new police station being the reason those coward’s ran out the back door of the Noord Police Station.

    87. Vicki on October 4th, 2007 2:24 pm

      carpe#83-hahahahahahahaha that shell funny but so true..

    88. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2007 2:32 pm

      I’m lovin it too Vicki!~

      lol Carpe!~

    89. mayan_moons on October 4th, 2007 3:18 pm

      geeeez my last post was all over the place but i know you guys know what i meant…i’m multi multi tasking today!

    90. brie on October 4th, 2007 3:41 pm

      Carpe is comical and Nurturer’s comment was funny too! Can’t you just picture it all! Police cars riding around but you see no people in them because it’s the new invisible team. And here comes Beth and Greta, run, as their fat butts get stuck in the doorway. Stooge’s!

    91. Richard on October 4th, 2007 3:54 pm

      It’s to be expected, I guess, that Greta (or Fox News) would blow out to the maximum anything from the show … “shocking new evidence” and the like, regardless of whether there were any ….

      But did anything new or really interesting actually get on the program? I couldn’t see it.

    92. Richard on October 4th, 2007 3:58 pm

      1006 (#73) … As I recall, the remark about Natalee being ‘romantically involved’ with a Dutch kid came from some taxi driver. Beth blasted the comment, and I can well imagine that some money passed hands before the taxi driver made the comment. I believe that Natalee’s companions have denied it … and remember, too, that even Dave Holloway has said that lots of girls on Aruba looked like Natalee.

      So the taxi driver might have made some mistake in identity.

    93. Richard on October 4th, 2007 4:01 pm

      And did anything happen when Beth was on the Larry King Live show?

    94. Carpe Noctem on October 4th, 2007 4:47 pm

      Hi Richard #93 -

      I watched the whole thing…

      & Beth never appeared. Klass or

      Red, did they reschedule her?
      SM: I have no idea (klaasend)

    95. 10061906 on October 4th, 2007 5:59 pm

      richard 92:
      Did the MBHS students also err when they said that Geoff was with Natalee on May 29 at the excelsior casino? Again unsubstantiated?

    96. Robert on October 4th, 2007 6:17 pm

      # 80 – Susan on October 4th, 2007 12:56 pm

      “HO”LLAND ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!


    97. brie on October 4th, 2007 6:28 pm

      For those that missed the program you can watch it on Gretawire….there are six videos….I don’t know why they went back, but Beth maybe had to finalize some things in her mind…and it could of been very personal….I think she has demonstrated her strength and devotion to Natalee. And will never give up! She did everything in her power to find Natalee…what a difficult task for her to deal with, officials of the island…knowing things were corrupt…Joran lies, Paulus lies, Kalpoes lie, the gov’t issued documents to stop the search of the Sloot house, when it should of been done, Straaten, scumbag, interfered with the investigation. There was the evidence. And no one was going to have access. He should loose his retirement and face criminal charges! He issued the orders!!! Everyone else just followed suit.

    98. brie on October 4th, 2007 6:48 pm

      Joran went to far…and no is not worth saving..he has no respect for his family, that’s obvious, he has no respect for anyone…that’s his life! Joran’s problems have been known about by his family for a long time..and now we have a missing person because of Joran..I’m a spoiled brat, I can do any I want because Daddy cover it up…Mommie Anita thinks I’m a delicious sporter.

    99. brie on October 4th, 2007 6:59 pm

      Your life is sick Joran…your life is ruined…… …your responsible for someone’s life…your parents don’t care…they would rather do without your problems…where do you go, what do you do? It will haunt you forever! Confess, give it up, take your punishment and give the family closure. So Daddy is not your friend, he was only worried about wanting to be the “wanna be judge”. In reality the family is sick of you!!!

    100. disgustedmom on October 4th, 2007 8:31 pm

      My favorite part of Greta’s show was the reshowing of Paulus at the gate of his house trying to get them to stop the cameras….Paulus almost whines like a baby in a higher voice than he normally uses for them to turn off the cameras….then his voice deepens and he becomes another personality altogether and tells them to shut the cameras off.

      I liked that part because it showed the 2 faces of Paulus… how fake Paulus could be and probably is in front of the public eye and how he really could be when he loses his patience.

      Now about losing patience…we all know Joran has anger problems. But what about Paulus? The way Anita pats Paulus constantly and seems to try to console him inappropriately, she has the demeanor of an abused wife. At the table (in Greta’s reshowing of them at the VDS house) Anita is all over Paulus like HE was the victim or the one who had reason to be sad/needing consoling.

      Anita Effin’ makes me sick! She’s a disgrace to women everywhere for taking up for Paulus and Joran as if neither of them did anything to cause Natalee to go missing. And she talks about Joran’s sexual adventures with Natalee as if it’s something cool her delicious sporter got to do…and she does this IN FRONT of Beth! Her behavior is very abnormal for anyone except a total shithead or an abused woman.

      And then she kissed Beth! How twisted!

    101. Pearl on October 4th, 2007 9:16 pm

      Greta did a fabulous job! She exposed some important information:

      – Beth went to the casino, to review the tapes two hours after she arrived to the island.
      After reviewing the tapes, she then learned that Deepak’s car was seen at the Van der Sloot residence.

      – Beth was directed to the Noord polis station where she requested their help after working with her family on identifying Joran, obtaining his address, and gaining eye witness accounts by two men who saw Deepak’s car at the Van der Sloot residence – the car, that the three kidnappers took Natalee away in only hours earlier on May 30, 2005, after which, Natalee was never seen again. But this did not warrant an immediate questioning and seizure of the car by the Aruban polis.

      – Apparantly, freedom of the press is not a value in Aruba, and that old “seizure of property” rule that gets applied to innocent black men, seems to now be getting applied to innocent camera crew members from Fox News, because they dare to seek an innocent child’s truth.

      Funny how that “seizure” of personal possessions works, particularly when viewed against Aruba’s track record with “property seizures”: always apply the immediate seizure of property to innocent black men, but never to three men who are known to immediately be lying concerning where they put an American tourist who now is missing, and was last seen in their presence.

      Yup. Aruba continues down the path of travesty of justice: now seizing the audio and camera equipment from the media, so that Aruban officials can deny Fox News from doing – the very thing that Aruban polis officials were supposed to start doing, immediately when they first learned that Natalee Holloway was missing: INVESTIGATE!

      It seems that Aruban officials in government are threatened by the media doing the Aruban polis department’s job, that the Aruban polis officials charged with “leading” the investigation conspired NOT TO DO, and continue NOT TO DO, two and a half years later – since the first report was made that Natalee Holloway was missing.

      I wonder why Aruba is so threatened by the media seeking – the very things that Oduber claimed as being his “number one priority”? I thought Oduber’s number one priority was “finding Natalee”? Why did Oduber then not allow the media to come into Aruba to investigate?
      Is “finding Natalee” no longer Aruba’s “NUMBER ONE” priority?

      Why did the Aruban government order the SEIZURE of equipment (both camera and audio) that belonged to Fox News? Is this new “paper work” requirement being applied to ALL media, or just he American media? Just another blatant example of Aruba’s version of “hospitality” and “family treatment” towards Americans.

      It’s been two long, painful years; surely Karin Janssen can’t STILL be “building up” her “investigation” that led to “no evidence”, no prosecution of the devils who stole Natalee’s life away, and which resulted in Paulus van der Sloot’s lying “witness” statements from ever being responded to, as were all the other lie-”witness” statements that forever reek of the stench of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE and CRIMINAL INVOLVEMENT in the CRIMES committed against Natalee Holloway.

      If we are not outraged that a media crew’s cameras and audio equipment were confiscated in their attempts to INVESTIGATE A CRIMINAL MATTER CONCERNING A STILL – MISSING AMERICAN CHILD, so as to deny Fox news from doing – the very thing, which lying Aruban officials claimed was occuring when speaking to Sec. Condoleeza Rice over two years ago – that being, that “great progress” was being made in the Natalee Holloway “investigation”, if we do not find Aruba’s confiscation of Fox News’ media and audio equipment to be an outrageous hypocritical demonstration of just exactly “how important” the pursuit of “progress” and “finding Natalee and her truth” is in the horrific story of barbaric acts inflicted on Natalee Holloway and her family – if we are not outraged that Aruba’s “official” response to the Fox news media that dares to continue to seek Natalee’s truth by investigating and asking questions – is to throw every stumbling block in their path so as to do OBSTRUCT FOX NEWS FROM INVESTIGATING THE “FINDING” OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY, while the corrupt continue in doing what the corrupt in Aruba have done best: OBSTRUCT THE TRUTH FROM COMING FORTH, – if we missed this critical information that Greta indeed reported on last evening, then we are missing perhaps the most fundamentally important statement that Greta made last evening, amongst several other VERY critical, interesting comments made by Beth and Greta.

      Nice job, Fox News and Greta Van Susteren!
      Keep up the search for Natalee’s truth!

    102. Pearl on October 4th, 2007 9:24 pm

      Beth Holloway is an amazing mother!!!

      She is everything that the power of a mother’s love is all about!



      “I will always search for her. I will always be Natalee’s mom.”

      Beth Holloway,”Loving Natalee”,c 2007.

    103. Ray on October 5th, 2007 1:25 am

      If you can not hear Greta or Beth in the ON THE RECORD show,try turning on the CLOSED CAPTION and then you read what you can not hear. This would have better with better equipment that the Arubans keep out

    104. Ray on October 5th, 2007 1:30 am

      Sorry I fergot ,it helps if you taped the show like I did.

    105. Miss-Underestimated on October 5th, 2007 8:57 am

      I agree Pearl, Beth is truly amazing women.

      I am finishing up on Beth’s book, tonight, hopefully.

      How many bowls of frosted flakes did Jacobs eat in 4 hours? 842?

      So, when will Anita answer the question of how, as she stated , the ALE took her camera, but her living space was never searched?

      The ALE makes me sick, what the ALE did to Natalee’s family is horrendous.
      I am sure there are places in hell for people like them

    106. disgustedmom on October 5th, 2007 9:33 am

      On Greta’s show they drove down that road Joran said Deepak took to drop him and Natalee on the beach. I never did buy the beach story, but now I am more sure they didn’t drop Natalee off there….at least not while she was awake! It’s dark and yucky! Nat would never have gotten out of a car and deliberately walked in that area, IMO.

    107. Richard on October 5th, 2007 10:03 am

      Pearl (#101) … Karin Janssen is no longer on Aruba, to my understanding. She SAID that she asked to stay on to continue the Natalee probe, but was overruled.

      Whether that is true or not, I don’t know.

      Yep, the Aruban government was certainly eager to keep out Fox’s equipment (probably someone wanted to be paid off for giving the ok) … but hey, when it comes to searching the van der Sloot home (the home of someone who Beth proved to the police was lying), what’s the rush?

      Only an American’s life was in question….

      Boycott Aruba. As if your life depended on it.

    108. Richard on October 5th, 2007 10:05 am

      1006 (#95) … I can’t say whether they were right or wrong on saying that he was with her. We already know that Joran had been hanging around the group for some days, lying about being a student from the Netherlands.

      Seems to me that something was planned in advance. Very possibly something darker than just another attempt to seduce a visiting American….

    109. Carpe Noctem on October 5th, 2007 10:17 am

      #96 Robert, (I still love ya, but no offense)

      Yes, unfortunately when the Dutch sign off on

      the murdering-raping Vandersloot / Kalpoe Aruba

      Natalee Holloway Case here in 30 days…

      The Dutch will become as

      big of targets to me, as the Arubans are right

      now! There’s just no way on this Earth to me,

      reasonable,decent, people could see what

      transpired in Natalee’s horrendous miscarriage

      of justice, and not expect a RESET

      BUTTON, or some sort of Dutch equivalent

      of a “DO-OVER.” Some people are just not that

      forgiving, and will not accept that,

      I don’t think.

      I think if Americans REALLY put their

      minds to it, they could make life

      MUCH MORE unpleasant than it already

      is between the three nations.

      Directly, or maybe even indirectly?

      If the Dutch shelve this case, I think many would

      be INFURIATED, and it would escalate an already

      tense situation. It’s sort of snowballed into

      its’ own BEAST now for 2.5 years.

      Should be interesting to

      see it taken to the next level!

      I certainly will not

      miss a step of it.

      I’m in it the fight ’til the end.

      (and yes, that is the truth.)


    110. 10061906 on October 5th, 2007 10:29 am


    111. Richard on October 5th, 2007 10:47 am

      And in reading that analysis, let’s remember that JvdS sent an email to Greta’s blog, saying “Someday I’ll tell what really happened, but not now.” Or words to that effect.

      Seems to me that statement is itself indicative of perjury, though of course it was not made under oath.

      But it’s patently clear by now that whatever Aruba tells us its laws say or don’t say, allow or don’t allow, the cover-up was in force from early on.

    112. Pearl on October 5th, 2007 10:52 am

      Hi Miss Underestimated and Richard ( # 105 and 107)!!

      Miss Underestimated: I can’t agree more with you!

      I’m going to guess that it was Van der Straaten who showed up with Jacobs ( with bowl and back hoe in tow), and that they “confiscated” Anita’s camera, after one of Paulus’ phone calls that went unaccounted for to Straaten during their “many conversations” in the first ten days.

      Richard: yes… the story goes that Janssen is no longer on the case, and hasn’t been for quite some time, and therefore, no longer “building up” the “big investigation”; however – with all the shifting individuals in “charge”, and the moving lie-statements, and the falsified records ( as in what they did to Beth’s statements), and the false arrests of the two security guards, the changing timelines, the chain of command concerning evidence, the moving “drop off” lie location, and so on, and so on… I just had to wonder whether the most recent story coming from Aruba was that Janssen was back on the scene, in a re-make of her “building up of an investigation” !!!




    113. Richard on October 5th, 2007 10:57 am

      Frankly, Pearl, I don’t believe anything that we hear from Aruba. It seems certain that Karin Janssen is gone; the reasons are whatever they are, but who knows?

      And at this point, who cares? Aruba seems to improvise one lie after another. Nobody hopes for anything from Aruba anymore.

      Unfortunately, it seems like the Dutch are equally as useless. They sent over their “experts” to look at the van der Sloot and Kalpoe house.

      Since then … nothing.

      We’re told that they are close-mouthed; well, does anyone expect them to do ANYTHING at this point, except possibly say that it’s all over?

      I hope against hope that they’ll prove me wrong.

      But I agree with Carpe Noctem; THEY might want us to forget, but WE never will.

      Boycott Aruba … as if your life depended on it.

    114. Robert on October 5th, 2007 11:57 am

      # Carpe Noctem on October 5th, 2007 10:17 am

      Hi Carpe,

      I’m frustrated too that these thugs are still walking free! But I still have hope that the police (KLPD and others) get this thing solved.

      On the other hand there’s always a chance that they don’t find enough evidence to bring it to a good end in court. You know: no body no case… So I think you’ll just have to wait a little bit more; the less evidence the longer it may take to win this in court.

      I don’t believe there’s a lack of will to solve this all; just can’t imagine that.

    115. Miss-Underestimated on October 5th, 2007 12:42 pm

      I have come to think there is no such thing as obstruction of justice in Aruba, because there is NO justice in Aruba.

      See Paulus and Joran both said they will either tell later or can’t tell because it will hurt others. WTF is that?
      he whole world can see these people are liars and the ALE and KLDP are hiding the truth from the masses.

      What does Paulus have on everyone or what did everyone do for Paulus now and they can’t talk.

    116. JusticeforNatalee on October 5th, 2007 2:17 pm

      Ask Oprah to have Beth on as guest to discuss her book about love and faith, Loving Natalee.

    117. 10061906 on October 5th, 2007 2:44 pm

      Then Rev Wright will want equal time.
      And Obama will give another lame excuse for not wearing the AF pin.

    118. 10061906 on October 5th, 2007 3:00 pm

      Correct me if I am wrong but I believe there have been only three persons arrested for heavy battery or premeditated murder in the Natalee Holloway case.
      It is not Joran, nor Deepak nor Satish.
      I really do not know what the actual charges were/are against them.
      However; Paulus, Geoff and Guido have all been arrested for murder charges, heavy battery or premeditated murder. ???????
      Strange that the last ones to be seen with the victim are not the ones charged with murder.
      How can we tie Paulus, Geoff and Guido together?
      Paulus a lawyer likes to play poker and black jack.
      Guido is/was a croupier at the Excelsior dealing black jack.
      Geoff…..beach security but also the son of the father who owns VCB that installed the security cameras at the Holiday Inn and Excelsior.
      Strange that is the only hotel that the VCB had a contract with in 2005.
      The alley way between the HI and Moomba’s is a drug selling point.maybe even a crack house or two.
      Geoff being an employee of VCB would have had access to video equipment and was probably no stranger to the Hotel Security and casino surveillance rooms.
      He could have also installed hidden cameras in some of the guest rooms for the production of voyeur tapes and photos.
      Perhaps it was Geoff that Natalee and her roommates saw trying to get into their room. Maybe Geoff was trying to retrieve a tape or replace a camera and did not realize the room was occupied.
      Michael Dompig former employee of VCB hustles girls at the HI.
      Boeti pushes drugs there.
      Geoff’s other charge was pushing drugs. Another suspect AB was arrested but never charged and was released. No record was made public.
      (I bring up again about the couple that went back to their honeymoon room after 10 years and rented a porn movie. When they played it that night; guess who the porn stars were?)
      Joran admits to being able to win back only $100.00 for Ruth.
      Maybe $100 is the limit per gambler that Guido can illegally pay out without arousing suspicion.
      Perhaps Paulus, Joran and Guido have a little crooked black jack dealings and Geoff reviews the tapes to make sure nothing can tie the dealer or the gamblers.
      There is a problem when not enough information is given; it is a bigger problem when too much information is given; whether lies or truths.
      Geoff could have videos of Natalee and was trying to blackmail her into having sex.
      Natalee could have found out about the crooked dealings and Paulus and Guido were nervous that she would talk. If the casino or the Aruban Mafia found out they were robbing the casino they would be fish fodder. That could explain why Paulus was at the Black Jack table next to Natalee. Maybe trying to feel her out for how much she knew or trying to convince her to just shut up.
      Perhaps Joran got a call and was told to get Natalee because they couldn’t be sure she would not say anything.

      There is a way that Natalee could have been taken back to the HI and was video taped.
      However with Geoff on Beach Security duty and knowing about the video cameras could easily have erased any record of Natalee being brought to the hotel or a crack house up the ally from the HI. Why would the tapes be erased if it could prove Joran was telling the truth and that Natalee was brought back? There would be too much to explain.
      Reference to “the house of cards will fall”;; may not mean stacking playing cards or the normal phrase “house of cards” but reference to a casino as a house of cards where games are played with cards.

    119. mayan_moons on October 5th, 2007 3:26 pm

      Happy Friday to Everyone!

      Hey…..BETH is going to be on Star Jones in a few minutes on Court tv if ya want to catch it!

    120. Vicki on October 5th, 2007 3:54 pm

      Thanks justice..I just did
      1906- thats an idea…maybe thats why he was biting his tongue off so he didnt tell…I always thought the house of cards could be a casino….

    121. Meee on October 5th, 2007 4:29 pm

      JFN- It’s done. I sent the e-mail

    122. Meee on October 5th, 2007 5:01 pm

      Richard made me think about Holland… Feel free to give Peter R DeVries an e-mail asking what’s going on in Holland with the case? Why aren’t people from Holland in Aruba taking statments about numerous timelines that don’t matchup? Why haven’t they resinded Janseen’s letter letting Paulus of the hook? Once again I clicked on “tips en vragen” don’t know how to contact his direct e-mail. The man still must have some interest in the case. Joran’s picture is still on his web sites Homepage

    123. brie on October 5th, 2007 6:28 pm

      Beth said they were at the Sloot’s property to investigate. And all ready to do so. Then paper work work appeared from a gov’t official deny anyone access to the property. Joran said he took Natalee to his house…not his apartment…What was in the house that Paulus didn’t want anyone to see? Cover-up by the gov’t!

    124. brie on October 5th, 2007 6:34 pm

      Then we wait for 10 days for everyone to clean up their mess…this would never of happened in our country….people would of been in custody and things would of been roped off, such as the Sloot’s property. I hope the Dutch do the right thing…arrest and prosecute those involved..and punish those that destroyed evidence…remove Posner, the criminal from the island….the Dutch have alot to do….!

    125. brie on October 5th, 2007 6:51 pm

      A question..aren’t you surprised that none of the other hotel owners have anything to say about a criminal, Posner, owning a hotel….what is that all about? He’s competing and shouldn’t be…I would love to know the answer to that one!!!

    126. Maggie on October 5th, 2007 6:54 pm

      I thought it was very telling when Beth said Paulus came to the door, supposedly just out of bed, carrying his cellphone. Also just prior to their arrival, they were told Deepak’s car was at the Van Der Sloots. Also that guards said Joran nor Deepak was on the Wyndham security camera at the casino that night. Yet when they get there, the car is gone, Paulus comes to the door with his cellphone and wouldn’t you know, he needs it to call Joran and says he’s at the Wyndham and sends everyone away from the house on a wild goose chase to a place they weren’t even at for about an hour then calls and says Joran is home now. Deepak’s statement says he was at work and went to the casino afterwards. Joran says he was at the casinos for hours, so why was Deepak’s car at the Sloots? Why was it so important to get everyone away from the Sloots that night. If you wanted to talk to your son, you would say get your butt home the cops are here to talk to you. Not let’s go over to the casino where he’s drinking and gambling underage? I do believe they were tipped off that Natalee’s family was in town and on their way.

    127. brie on October 5th, 2007 6:55 pm

      I think we need someone who can practice law in Aruba and clean up the shit!!!!

    128. Robert on October 5th, 2007 7:01 pm

      In addition to 122 Meee on October 5th, 2007 5:01 pm

      Yes, that’s the right email-adress to contact P. R. de Vries.
      In the dropdown-menu ( – kies een onderwerp = choose a topic )you choose one of the three options at the bottom. They’re respectively:
      - missing / disappearence (vermissing / verdwijning)
      - murder (moord)
      - other (overig)

    129. 10061906 on October 5th, 2007 8:37 pm

      Those in the know would have been Croes the owner of the cell phone company and someone who met the Twitty party at the Valero gas station.
      I think the name that comes to mind is ……………………………………………………….Gabriel Leo.

      Maybe someday they will listen to the words of Mulder:
      “The answer is out there: Trust no one”
      So how can you trust Jossy when he is related to the Mansur’s that run the Island???????

    130. brie on October 5th, 2007 9:03 pm

      WE need an American that can practice law in Aruba….!!!!!!! That in my estimation would clear alot of things up!!!!

    131. crime watcher on October 5th, 2007 10:00 pm

      Greta posted on her blog that Natalee left Aruba secretly on a private plane provided by the family.

      Is this true?
      SM: Your post above is very misleading. What Greta posted is that she received an email that was insinuating that. Greta did not say it and it’s a rediculous email/comment and an absolutely false accusation by those in Aruba attempting to turn the blame on someone besides Jk2 (klaasend)

    132. 10061906 on October 5th, 2007 10:42 pm

      131 If that were true then she is alive somewhere in the States or at least her body is on American soil.
      Either premise would be totally unfounded and irresponsible after almost 30 months.

    133. dennisintn on October 6th, 2007 12:03 am

      #l00, disgusted mom, you are precisely right. that is one sick woman, and one sick family. but paulus has more that they could tell but it would hurt other people.

    134. on October 6th, 2007 12:18 am

      #131 this is a story (fable, falsehood, lie, untruth) that Gerald Dumpig said about 6 months ago in some article. Dumpig has floated almost as many stories as Joran.

    135. Patti on October 6th, 2007 12:43 am


      With as long as it’s taken them to conduct

      their investigation, you would think that

      the whole island of Aruba is involved.


      By George… I think I got it!

      Throw them ALL in jail!


      Boycott Aruba!

    136. Carpe Noctem on October 6th, 2007 12:51 am

      Bill O. Beth & Geraldo


    137. Meee on October 6th, 2007 1:15 am

      Thanks Carpe… I didn’t even know Beth was gonna be on.

    138. 10061906 on October 6th, 2007 8:47 am

      Thank you so much for the heads-up.
      IMO O’Rielly is still a pig and a liar.
      He never apologized to Beth for his unsubstantiated remarks. Unsubstantiated because he never followed up with explaining his source.
      Beth is a really composed woman. I would have been in his face had he made those remarks and lies about my daughter that made about Natalee.
      Geraldo still stumbles when he talks about the case. Keep up those remarks Geraldo about Paulus and Joe Tacopina will sue your A$$.
      You can tell that time is healing Beth; but she will never and rightly so; get over the losing Natalee.

    139. Susan on October 6th, 2007 10:07 am

      #114 – Robert – Please, plenty of evidence was found, but was destroyed by both the Dutch and Aruban officials!! Dutch investigators have NO intentions of solving this case! They are just as CORRUPT as the Aruban officials and are ONE in the same! KLPD will close the case soon and will say to hell with the Holloway’s :-( What more can we possibly expect from their “anything goes attitudes”? Prostitution is legal, drugs are legal and evidently DRUGGING, GANG RAPING and MURDERING innocent tourists are all LEGAL too!!



    140. Richard on October 6th, 2007 10:27 am

      Face it, none of the “media stars” are devoted to the interests of the Holloway Twitty family, and certainly not those of Natalee.

      They will use the case to boost their ratings, and then put on the same old “talking heads” to speak at great length about what they think happened … but we here, on this forum, or at least some of us have displayed more commitment to Natalee’s “cause” than they have.

      Obviously more people listen to Nancy Grace or Greta van Susteren than they do to us. But I’d say that overall, we here are more “loyal.”

    141. Richard on October 6th, 2007 10:29 am

      Brie (#127) … It’s too bad that we don’t hear from that lady lawyer (forget her name) who gave up her position in the public prosecutor’s office after the decision was made not to go after JvdS.

      And later she said that she thought she was being followed, her cell phone was being tapped, etc.

      I hope that she’s doing all right. If anyone on Aruba might be honest and inclined to help, perhaps it’s her.

    142. disgustedmom on October 6th, 2007 10:30 am

      After reading Beth’s book twice, I am going to abstain from message boards regarding this case and stop speculating about what became of Natalee; indeed, I’m even going to stop thinking about it altogether and move on with my own life’s affairs as posting on message boards about things I ‘wonder and postulate’ is a waste of time and a pointless addiction!

      If Natalee should still be alive, God help her find her way home safely!

      If Natalee has passed on, may she rest in peace in God’s loving embrace.

      Whatever is to become of anyone who harmed her, that is not something that I want to be involved in even to the degree of simply talking about it anymore. I think if anyone should get close to the truth by speculating, I feel it could be potentially dangerous.

      I also do not think it is in the best interest of solving this mystery for the perps who know what became of Natalee to have an outlet to relive what they did including laughing at speculation and being entertained by reading (and possibly posting on) message boards about them. Rather I think ignoring them will force them to initiate their own resurgence of talk about this case. I think the message boards need to stop since all any of us know anyway is NOTHING that can help find Natalee or find justice for her.

      So that’s my last piece! :)

    143. Richard on October 6th, 2007 10:33 am

      And as for anyone in our own government speaking up about the dimming prospects for justice in Aruba … don’t make me laugh.

    144. Melissa on October 6th, 2007 10:41 am

      The attached post from indicates the writer feels that Aruba should be concerned with the cost that tourists are charged at airport payphones.

      #1 Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007, 01:40 PM
      Junior Member Join Date: October 2nd, 2007
      Posts: 1

      Aruba Airport Public Phones Scam


      I recently traveled to aruba in Sept and I used one of the credit card pay phones at the gates. To my surprise when I got my credit card bill, I was charged $41.91 for a one minute call. I filed a complaint with company and the BBB in California and found out this company has numerous complaints from customers in the same situation as I. There is no rates posted or disclosed at the pay phone or at the time of the call. When I called the company I was told there’s a 5 minute minimum and it’s a satellite call. None of which was disclosed on the pay phone or at the time of the call. I asked to see the agreement with the satellite company and they refused. Further calls to the company, they offered me a credit of $8.31 which I refused. A second call to them, they offered $10.50 credit which I also refused. Each time I asked to speak to a supervisor which they said is unavailable. You will never find this type of business practice in the U.S., I was surprise scams like this still exists… especially at an well recognized airport with close ties with the U.S. like ARUBA. I enjoyed vacationing at ARUBA but this is not the best way to end my trip, spending numerous hours filing complaints and attempting to resolve this issue with the credit card company for this charge.

      Aruba airport should do the right thing and protect the travelers to come to Aruba to spend their hard earn money vacationing. This is absolutely the worse thing the Aruba can ever do to tourists that come to Aruba and support it’s economy.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Aruba Airport Authority is getting paid off by the company in high price leases for the telephone space!!!

      The company name for the pay phone is International Satellite Communications, 511 East Sanysidro, Suite 1770, Sanysidro CA, 92173 800-576-5402.

      The following BBB office handles and has many complaints against this company. Please take steps to either remove the pay phones from the airport or have them post rate information on the pay phone or disclose rate and charges before connecting the call so the tourists does not fall into the trap like I did and get a $42 charge on the credit card for a one minute land line call that they claim to be satellite.

      BBB of Silicon Valley
      (San Jose, CA)
      700 Empey Way, Suite 110
      San Jose, CA 95128
      Phone: (408)278-7400
      Fax: (408)278-7444

      View Public Profile
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      #2 Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007, 02:25 PM
      Member Join Date: July 11th, 2007
      Location: MA
      Posts: 88

      Re: Aruba Airport Public Phones Scam


      I want to make it clear up front that I am NOT condoning what the company did to you with the phone charge – it’s definitely not right! That being said, I have always known from very early on that you should NEVER make a phone call on a public phone in another country using a credit card. In Aruba, or anywhere else for that matter. It’s unfortunate that you didn’t know that going into it.

      The information on this board is often times priceless, and having seen so many tips on how to call from Aruba to the US, this is something I have always known and more or less assumed at times as well.

      I hope you get your money back.
      Aruba – there’s NO place like it.

    145. Robert on October 6th, 2007 11:23 am

      # Susan on October 6th, 2007 10:07 am

      Oh please Susan. Get Real!

      Remember this report?

      And this excerpt?

      “In the United States, the investigations in Atlanta, Las Vegas and Washington, DC found that large numbers of American children are prostituted on the streets, through escort services, and in pornography and erotic dancing, and large numbers of American men are buying these services.”

      Haven’t heard your comment on that one yet??!!

      It’s easy to point your finger at others. And to exaggerate. And take things out of context. And…

      Well lets not get in that discussion again. But please don’t expect me to take you serious anylonger.

    146. Richard on October 6th, 2007 11:46 am

      Anyone with info like this … please send it on to the various media people as well. The more that we expose Aruba for what it is, the better the chance that there might, somehow, be something like justice for Natalee and her family.

    147. nichols9891 on October 6th, 2007 1:02 pm

      Aruba plays the gracious host while taking our dollars,but when we turn their backs their thoughts are not so gracious. The negative Beth comments reflect the true character of the Arubans and their true feeling for Americans.

      Ladies, you need to remember some of the testimony that has come out of this case. When you put on that new dress that is a little flattering and sexy, remember that according to 1 on the boys, you look like a slut and are wanting to be gang raped. And when 1 of the local boys tells you how much he loves you, likes you , or apparently anything, remember that 1 of the boys Mothers said that it is her experience, and she has only had experience with Aruban boys, that all boys lie, it is expected.

      Mothers, you need to know that Aruba’s laws are designed to make it a haven for organized crime, and it’s location is only 20 miles from the violent drug trafficing world of South America. A pleasure boat ban make the trip easily, and they do quite often without entering customs. Aruba’s main indusrty is hosting organized crime, so don’t let their false toursim advertisement that they are a safe,happy, friendly island mislead you. Read the comments they have posted here to verify.

    148. Carpe Noctem on October 6th, 2007 3:05 pm

      …but Robert, what about all Paulus’ lying,
      and all the tampering between his son and the POLICE?

      …and what about Peter de Vries saying Karin
      and Carlo were communicating back and forth,
      something that is an ABSOLUTE NO NO in Dutch

      How anyone cannot start over and redo the investigation, just blows my mind.

      Paulus is a dirty dog, and KLPD KNOWS,
      and this is the truth!

      Paulus needs to come
      back and look at this next
      one everynight before
      he goes to bed!

      Yo P,

      It’s her, buddy. That is some work you
      did there, guy. Did u finally confess
      to Anita? Boy, has she balloooooned the
      gee f’n whillikers up, or WHATTTT?

      No mo’ doughnuts FOR YOU,
      hunny bunny!!!!! Her gift
      this year should be a gift wrapped
      set of a dozen red
      long stemmed

      later muyn.


    149. Carpe Noctem on October 6th, 2007 3:31 pm


      I give it a 7.9…

      on a scale

      from 1 to 5.

    150. brie on October 6th, 2007 5:53 pm

      It’s time for the “sea cow” to speak up and tell the truth…a woman dominated by her son and husband….how does she have any respect for herself….? She’s has two younger sons to raise, what kind of environment are they living in? Get a divorce, separate yourself, your married to liar, a cheat, someone who engaged in the disappearance of Natalee, your son is a psychopath, and he is going to harm others. He beats up his younger brother, how do you tolerate that and come back and say he is your delicious sporter. He is the biggest problem in your life. So you think it’s OK for Joran, underage, to drink, gamble, kidnap and rape tourists. Joran admitted to having sex with Natalee and you described that to Beth. So, what happened after that?????? Will you answer that question? Or have you, and the cover-up wouldn’t allow us to know your answer?

    151. brie on October 6th, 2007 6:05 pm

      Paulus was out on the roam the entire time Anita was gone. Interacting with all his parties of interest. Joran had free rein on anything he wanted to do. And the kid has no limit’s or restrictions. This time something went wrong…and Daddy had to bail him out…following his father’s footsteps he knew Dad could not say NO….if anyone’s looks at Paulus’s background I’m it isn’t pretty…and I’m sure Joran was exposed to things he never should of seen. Guilty parents, you bet!!!

    152. brie on October 6th, 2007 6:20 pm

      I’m surprised that someone doesn’t speak up and tell the truth, that must be a great fear. The reward is out there! And it is not petty cash. So, who are we waiting on to tell us! Maybe someone who wants protection and the ability to change their name. Someone in a witness protection program. Go ahead and rat, your only protecting a psychpath , who will harm someone again, tell the truth, take the money and run.!!!!

    153. brie on October 6th, 2007 6:29 pm

      Jossy said there was going to be water search…any news on that!!!

    154. brie on October 6th, 2007 6:58 pm

      …. Well So long disgustedmon…..I wish you well…!!!!!

    155. JusticeforNatalee on October 6th, 2007 8:00 pm

      As Bill O’Reilly stated, Aruba was more concerned about protecting tourism than LOOKING FOR NATALEE.

    156. Maggie on October 6th, 2007 10:24 pm

      I wish Michael Baden would come on O’Reilly’s show to explain to him, like he did before on another show, that a when a person OD’s they do not die right away. He said first they go into a coma.We had an underage boy in this area not long ago who was found overdosed in a coma. He was in ICU for about 3 days before he died. They were looking for who gave him the alcohol. Natalee walked out of Carlos n Charlies on her own, so how can they say she was overdosed on alcohol. If a drug were put in her drink it would take a few to take effect. Still to say she died from that after what Michael Baden said. Plenty of time to take someone to emergency or try to get help. Even if that were it, who of the group decided they were a medic to pronounce someone dead and get rid of her without doing CPR?

    157. JusticeforNatalee on October 7th, 2007 12:07 am



    158. Patti on October 7th, 2007 11:11 am


      You mean you’re through with your search for Joran on the boards? That’s funny… it never occured to me that Joran would even be interested in anything we have to say about him until you accused me of being him…LOL!

      And now you’re scared? Scared of what? Some mumbo jumbo, voo-doo magic or what? Those people are powerless. Besides, I have an 8 milimeter that will blow a hole the size of a baseball through anyone that messes with me.

      You’re safe as long as you stay away from Aruba. They aren’t going to come over here to get you and their gods are cowards, just like they are.

      The boycott will go on, and on and on until there is justice in Aruba… unless Beth calls it off.


      Justice for Natalee

    159. Richard on October 7th, 2007 12:16 pm

      Disgusted Mom (#142) … I agree with you that simply speculating over and over again is unlikely to yield results or influence things.

      But (without wanting to blow my own horn, metaphorically speaking) without having this forum to come to, and without meeting other people who shared my belief that this case was and is important to the American people, not “simply another missing girl” case, I might never have come up with the idea of holding protests at Aruba Tourism Authority events here.

      Certainly there would have been no way to spread the word.

      And I think that however few, or however many, people have attended these events, they HAVE attracted media and other attention and they HAVE worked. So many people that we five at the Boston event met had a vague memory of “that girl missing in Aruba.” Quite a number were shocked to realize that she hadn’t been found yet.

      Keeping Natalee’s case out there in the public eye, and insisting that Aruba take action, is the best thing that we can do (in my opinion). It may not work, but we can and shall never give up.

      And as much as I hate the media types who jump on the case only when it’s “hot,” let’s remember that the Holloway Twitty family are fighting against a corrupt foreign government, with no help from our own.

      It’s ONLY “we the people” who stand beside them.

      So let’s rally our spirits and keep our determination strong that justice MUST prevail.

      “No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.”

    160. Carpe Noctem on October 7th, 2007 12:26 pm

      Was someone posting under her name?

      Hijacking the user nic?

      The post yesterday, was completely
      out of character for her, I think.

      If it is true, sorry you feel that
      way DM. -j4n

      take care.
      SM: Carpe – it does not look like someome impersonating him/her, looks authentic. (klaasend)

    161. benh on October 7th, 2007 3:16 pm

      Looked at arubacam today,If aruba has a lot of tourist you cant tell from cam,beaches look empty.

    162. jackb on December 29th, 2007 1:59 pm

      The fat lady has not sung as yet. jb

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