Spinning for $’s, The other side of the Holloway-case … Unauthorized Plane


For those traveling to Aruba by plane might find the follwoing an eye opener. As we haveAruba Airport stated since the very beginning, those with an agenda to smear others, discredit Natalee’s family and defend the three suspects … What’s good for Joran Van der Sloot, is terrible for Aruba.

Amigoe: The other side of the Holloway-case ‘Police Aruba hindered by FBI’ MEDPLANE

They revealed that   already one day after Holloway was declared missing, a medplane (medical plane or ambulance-plane) from the US   arrived on Reina Beatrix airport and was stationed for a few days in the area of the airport where private jets park. Nothing strange about that on the surface, except that the crew (two pilots, a doctor and a nurse) knew nothing about why they were there. Gielen and Van Stapele also discovered that the plane landed without authorization and was also not registered by the Aruban authorities, while the mysterious landing – even though it was reported to the police in an official unsigned written testimony -was subjugated by the corps to the investigation only months later. This is also the case for other testimonies.    

The article that has been previously published in Amigoe has so many inconsistencies and remarkable comments that it actually needs to be dissected one nonsensical  paragraph at a time. Everyone needs to actually think what they are saying and better yet what Aruba would have allowed in order for this to be true. A plane was allowed to land without authorization.

… a medplane (medical plane or ambulance-plane) from the US   arrived on Reina Beatrix airport and was stationed for a few days in the area of the airport where private jets park.

Gielen and Van Stapele also discovered that the plane landed without authorization and was also not registered by the Aruban authorities, …

So are we to believe that it is a common practice in a post 9-11 world that Aruba and the Reina Beatrix airport allows planes to fly into their air space and land without authorization? A plane is then allowed to sit on a runway without authorization while commercial airlines are landing and talking off with tourists. REALLY? I am sure the FAA would be interested in hearing this. Truly think about the ramifications of such an event. Commercial airlines filled with tourists from America and other destinations are flying in Aruban airspace and Aruba would allow an unregistered, undocumented plane be in their airspace and land without authorization. We are sure that instills all kind of   confidence and safety from those would be tourists going to Aruba.

Is landing in Aruba without authorization a common practice? You would knowingly not know who was landing and put passengers aboard other airlines and on the ground at risk?  Aruba has heard of 9-11 and the war on terror, right?

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  • Comments

    135 Responses to “Spinning for $’s, The other side of the Holloway-case … Unauthorized Plane”

    1. ROBOTS on July 6th, 2007 9:00 am





    2. Joran Vandersloot on July 6th, 2007 9:11 am

      Face it!A vacation in Aruba is a death wish.

    3. elisabeth on July 6th, 2007 9:32 am

      The article by miss Gielen has been refused by Dutch tv stations, because it was considered to be untrustworthy. That it has finally found a buyer in this journal tells us more about its quality but this nonsense can hardly be considered to be the opiniom of Aruba.

    4. Susan on July 6th, 2007 9:45 am

      Aruba, a haven for murderers, gang rapists, drug and human traffickers, cover ups, all types of ruthless criminals…who will never be prosecuted, etc.. Sounds more like a disaster waiting to happen more than the “perfect destination for a vacation”. We’ve all heard the phrase “BUYER BEWARE”, right? All I’ve gotta say is “TOURIST BEWARE” if you plan on vacationing in Aruba (the poverty stricken, drug infested, third world Dutch isle), especially after what we’ve all seen and heard in reference to Natalee’s disappearance.



    5. flippy on July 6th, 2007 9:47 am

      ” it was reported to the police in an official unsigned written testimony -was subjugated by the corps to the investigation only months later.”

      So paraphrase the next point, “The Holloway (Twitty) family was kind enough to drop us note telling us about the plane, but we miss-filed it”.

      Followed again with”
      “This is also the case for other testimonies.”

      In other words, “We Miss-Filed a lot of important stuff, too!”

    6. Murph on July 6th, 2007 10:13 am

      A plane landing without any authorization from anyone sounds like a drug deal or some shady deal going on with someone in aruba government!Did this happen or just more smoke and mirrors?

    7. dennisintn on July 6th, 2007 10:14 am

      everyone in the u.s. who had a television knew there was a medjet on the runway. and a.l.e. didn’t know about it? if this is true, the drug runners must be having a field day at the airport.

    8. joe bear on July 6th, 2007 10:24 am


    9. flippy on July 6th, 2007 10:29 am

      dennisintn -

      They aren’t saying that they didn’t “know about it”, All they are really saying here is that they either misplaced the paperwork, or that the airport never filled out the paperwork to begin with.

      As for the doctors not knowing why they are there. Of course they knew why they were there, they are doctors, they are there to take care of whatever the problem is. What they didn’t know was the nature of the actual problem. Even if they did know the what the actual problem is, they wouldn’t tell anyone because of certain privacy laws.

      This is just SPIN. They are looking at their own mistakes and looking for someone else to blame for them.

    10. disgustedmom on July 6th, 2007 11:04 am

      Thinking outside the box….IF the medjet papers were in fact misplaced then where were they eventually found? In what file? Could it have been accidently placed in some file relegated to certain other small plane traffic that perhaps may have been used to traffic drugs? Gotta keep all that stuff in one spot you know, so you can get your proper take.

      Those involved in this coverup will -and in my opinion, are- getting tired of holding onto hope this case will go away. It’s been 2 long years! They can’t live with this thing on their minds forever wondering when they will get caught up in the mess. So who’s going to break first?

      Let’s go back to the beginning when ALE folks said not to worry that Natalee would show back up in a few days….THAT is the most telling of all that they knew she was being held alive somewhere at the time because it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that an 18 year old tourist with no money to speak of is going to stay later than she planned on her own. Adults, with resources to make such a change in plans, might decide impromtu to stay longer, but not an 18 year old with no such opportunity to afford to do so. ALE was not suggesting Natalee was incompacitated somewhere…they were suggesting Natalee was still out partying, and to back that up Joran later says she didn’t want to leave Aruba because it was so awesome….so, no, ALE didn’t think at the time Nat was passed out at some odd location and would show up later for that reason, and anyhow if they had thought that they’d have gone searching for her…but they didn’t. They said she’d pretty much walk back into some bar or something still partying…so where was their mindset then?

      IMO it was that they knew Natalee was alive and being held for a couple days, after which they would release her -most likely drugged up to make it appear they were right all along that she had been still out partying. Anything Natalee might have said to the contrary would of course have been poo pooed/laughed at/etc and Aruba would go on it’s merry way. The key then becomes the answer to why they had a need to hold onto Natalee for a few days…and that answer could be to get GHB out of her system OR to make sure she was not pregnant by one of her rapists (which would later bring problems for them) OR that PVDS simply kept her at his house until she came around and got caught with her there and couldn’t get out of it without getting in trouble he could not get his LE and Gov’t buds to get him out of.

      So now, what did they do with her? Where is she now? Those -or should I say, more of those- who know have to start talking soon. They have to be tired of worrying if someone else will talk first. Of course, this will be in a way that absolves them of any blame while telling what they know. All involved should start fearing each other more and more with every passing day.

    11. Miss-Underestimated on July 6th, 2007 11:13 am

      Wow, if I were a citizen of Aruba, I’d head out. What do you think they are doing to their own? Maybe that’s why the citizens are keeping on the low, afraid of what could happen to them?

    12. Nut44x4 on July 6th, 2007 11:14 am

      A song by Warner Mack comes to mind…
      “When The Walls Come Tumbling Down”

      Well the walls come tumbling down the walls come tumbling down. Just when you think you’ve got it made the walls come tumbling down.

      If you found love that’s strong and true then you better hold your head up high cause you’ve got somethin’ that most folks want and crave till the day they die.

      I once knew love that was made of rock I let crumble like sand I treated bad the love I’ve had and now I’m a lonely man…Yeah the walls come…tumbling down.

      There was a man I knew one time who lived for just one thing
      For silver and gold he’d cheat and lie if it meant a personal game but it wadn’t long till the news got out about his cheatin’ ways. He lost the friends that he once knew and the money he had made. Yeah the walls come…
      tumbling down.

      One of these we’re all gonna leave this ol’ troubled land
      And you gonna have to answer just like me where to go to make your stand; so you better be sure before you die there ain’t no cheatin’ ways…cause there won’t be time on the other side brother it’ll be too late.
      Well the walls come…
      Just when you think you got it made the walls come tumbling down!!

      JUSTICE 4 NATALEE HOLLOWAY and PEACE to her family and friends!!

    13. Brie on July 6th, 2007 11:52 am

      Aruba has one thing attractive to terrorists and their anti-social group….the oil refinery. Drug dealers are only interested in the free zone, everything else can go, it gets in the way. Shango referred to smoke signals and let the fire’s begin.

      Aruba has a runway just for the rich(?), it’s not necessary to wait in line for access into Aruba, they have their own special gate. Guess who goes through that gate?

    14. whytegirl on July 6th, 2007 11:52 am

      If that was the case and there is missing ppwk or incomplete and the FAA comes for a surprise audit, then we’d know they were fined and given some sort of warning. They would have to report back to them the corrective measures so that does not happen again, and turn that in a due date.

    15. Houston on July 6th, 2007 12:09 pm

      Does anyone remember the plane that made a mistake and landed at Aruba’s racetrack, Aruba threw the pilot in jail for making the mistake?

    16. Brie on July 6th, 2007 12:19 pm

      If there was such a plane is was there for all the wrong reasons and it didn’t belong to us. I’m sure the Dutch would be interested in knowing about this…South America smuggles alot of drugs to the Netherlands and from their to Europe.It’s just more of same crap…the Aruban’s intensely dislike Julia,
      along with Dompig and the Sloot’s.

      As far as Renfro’s cell number being on the poster, that would definitely be an obstruction of justice. She doesn’t represent the government or the ALE. And for no reason should she have access to any confidential information. At first, she seemed like Beth’s friend, but that turned out to be someone getting close to Beth and relating information back to Sloot’s and Dompig, only in their best interest. I understand Renfro has 4 children and all by different fathers. Would be surprised it Paulus has a few papooses running around! Everybody over there is related somehow along the line because they all sleep with each other. Moral’s on Aruba, don’t exist!

    17. Brie on July 6th, 2007 12:27 pm

      #15…correction..Wouldn’t be surprised it Paulus has a few papooses running around!

    18. Carpe Noctem on July 6th, 2007 12:52 pm

      Aruba, just when I think you

      couldn’t do anything more


      You do somethin else,

      and totally redeem yourselves!


      A TRIP TO ARUBA truly

      is a date with DEATH.


      Nat Ann Holloway taught me that!!!!



      Aruba’ll kill ya, jes’ as sure as spit.


    19. Gary on July 6th, 2007 1:27 pm

      Um. Yeah. It’s called general aviation. Look it up.

    20. Robert on July 6th, 2007 1:35 pm

      Brie | July 6, 2007, 12:19 pm

      ” … South America smuggles alot of drugs to the Netherlands and from their to Europe…”

      That was the past…

      The last couple of years control on drugtrafficking and -smuggling has grown and grown in Dutch ports and on Dutch airports (in Rotterdam f.i. they now have the worldbiggest röntgen-units to look in shipcontainers!).
      The South American drugbarons choose other European Ports more and more over the Dutch ports.
      I recently saw a documentary where French police entered a ship on the Atlantic Ocean that was heading for Spain. It was searched for three or four days and finaly in one of the dieseltanks they found a welded plate on the bottem that lead to a space were the biggest French cocain-catch ever was made. A number of TONS of cocaine were found.

    21. Maggie on July 6th, 2007 2:04 pm

      We are suppose to believe this bs and yet on the night Natalee disappeared, Dompig claims that any boat would register on radar, yet someone could fly a plane in and land it unauthorized? If someone landed a plane in my town State Police and Homeland Security would be all over that in a matter of a few minutes. Beth was absolutely right, if my daughter came up missing in a foreign country, I would have the kidnap signs also.. My daughter would never take off and not tell me where she was. They can say what they want. Natalee was not a druggie. No matter how times they repeat it.

      Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore – a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.

      Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

    22. JusticeforNatalee on July 6th, 2007 2:27 pm

      Nonesuche posted this on the forum. An old post (Apr. 2006) from Viet Vet.
      Quite the eye-opener!

      viet vet says:

      I will try to be more helpful with the facts for you folks, you certainly have worked long and hard for Natalee, and we do appreciate it. Aruba is a strange place, on my trips there, I met some really nice people, they agree with all of us totally but they are not in control. Aruba is controlled by a small group who can do as they please. This has gone on for years. I could not understand what made some of them think we Americans are so in love with them or the island. Prostitution is legal, they bring in young girls from South America and change them out every 3 or 4 months. The kids who have families in power do not go for the prostitutes, they want tourists. I was told that they really get away with this sort of thing regularly. Natalee had drug sensitivities. Her family uses one of my drug stores and there were many things she was not able to take because of the drug allergies. The only way she would have gotten drugged up was by Joran, the bartender or someone else. She knew not to take anything for fear of a bad reaction. All of the spin artists are telling lies about her buying/using drugs. If she had drugs in was unknown to her. She was a very smart girl. People like Renfro, that fellow Charles and many of the others are using this to get on the news and try to make money later from it. As much as everyone talks about how they lie, it is at least 10 times greater than one could ever imagine. I do think they have a few honest police personnel, but they have to be very careful, van der Straaten or Dompig ruled with a heavy hand. There is no doubt, the truth will come out. They made mistakes; people know but are afraid to talk. But fear only lasts so long. The longer they wait the worse it is on their economy and the drug traffic. Paulus may own land in the United States, he gets money somewhere, not from work, and they are spending a bundle on lawyers. I will try to keep my posts shorter in the future. Keep it up folks, we are going to win.

    23. Maggie on July 6th, 2007 3:08 pm

      Maybe Julie Renfro can tell us what happened to that solid evidence the cops had and was against the falsely accused security guards? Where did that solid evidence go that 2 black security guards were held for kidnapping and murder for?

      June 9, 2005

      Aruba newspaper editor Julia Renfro joined The Factor with the latest information on the case and the five men in custody. “The police told us that they have solid evidence against two of the men. The other three were considered as witnesses against those two men.”

    24. Carpe Noctem on July 6th, 2007 3:34 pm

      Hey Robert,

      A quick hello to you! I just wanted to
      say that I enjoy always enjoy
      your postings & contributions,

    25. Maggie on July 6th, 2007 3:43 pm

      Let me get this straight..

      Planes can land unauthorized. The prosecutor don’t have time to talk to a victim’s family to explain what is going on , yet she has time to write letters to find out if the mother is related to Hitler and to meet with the main suspect’s lawyer, which is a no-no. Dennis Jacobs warned Dave to watch his drink at Carlos and CHarlies, they might drug it, yet there is no warning at the place warning young female tourists. Underage kids can drink and gamble without no penalties. Even the chief of Police’s son and another guy resembling Steve Croes is at the hotel lobby hitting on a young female tourist and she is resisting and trying to get away from them. The Prime Minister is out within months saying, he is sick of this case. Rudy Croes says he don’t rule shutting the mother up in the future. The Ahata paid liars to go out and tell false stories about the victim and her family, enter Steve Cohen and Arlene Shippers among others. A spokesman from the AHATA, Arlene Shippers comes to the USA to help brief officials about the case, and her nephew is one of the suspects? Why is the Hotel spokesman privy to police files? Paulus VDSloot stated he worked with all these people for years was friends of VanderStaten. VanderStraten is running the investigation of his son? Renfro from a paper and a restaurant owner Muzzlehead, are running the biggest missing person case ever for the island and using their own phone numbers to screen calls, instead of the FBI or police. Muzzlehead who has never met Natalee knew Natalee wasn’t a virgin, but yet she can’t name anyone Natalee has been with, she also can state that Natalee was an alcoholic, because she drank and had fun on vacation? Here’s Joran who drank all the time underage and was out all night and going to casinos and Renfro made the statement that Joran was an idol for the younger kids on the island, but Natalee is an alcoholic.

      Court papers show that Paulus and Joran had over 1000 police files in their possession and of course blogs. Read a few blogs and police files and keep making your story up to go along with the facts. Noone deserves this kind of farce of an investigation when their child is gone.

      It was the J2K’s home turf. They had access to everything, they know the territory. Natalee had access to nothing that night, she had no spare clothes, no passport, no personel belongings, no food, no money, no transportation, no telephone, and now she has no voice to tell about how she was robbed of her future, a full scholarship to be a dr. Why are 3 men going to go out a half hour before closing time to move in on one girl?

      These people writing this stuff are the lowest of the low. All that had to do was give Beth and Dave their daughter back and they would have went home.

    26. Carpe Noctem on July 6th, 2007 3:57 pm

      I haven’t seen a ‘ROBOTS LOAD ALERT’ in months.

      I enjoyed that!

      >One for all the ROBOTS everywhere.


    27. mayan_moons on July 6th, 2007 4:03 pm

      where is the psycho hiding these days?

    28. yoyo muffintop on July 6th, 2007 4:11 pm

      #1 ROBOTS – how many farms you got?
      You’ve “bet the farm” and lost on quite a few things.
      Just curious.

    29. Brie on July 6th, 2007 4:20 pm

      Wonder where Jossy is, haven’t heard from him lately!

      Anyone know the scoop on Lorenzo?

    30. Robert on July 6th, 2007 4:52 pm

      Carpe Noctem | July 6, 2007, 3:34 pm

      Must be my crappy english?

      BTW: Am I right you’re a Zappa fan?

    31. Susan on July 6th, 2007 5:00 pm

      Is this “medplane” the same plane that Beth and Jug arrived on in Aruba the day after Natalee was reported missing? If so, didn’t that plane belong to the McWane Center? So maybe I’m a bit confused, but what the hey…lol!

    32. Allan K on July 6th, 2007 5:28 pm

      Bring Natalee home from the land of the lawless, Aruba!
      Damn, what a hell hole.

    33. Brie on July 6th, 2007 5:41 pm

      No, Paulus and Joran bet the house and Anita has to move!

    34. Nut44x4 on July 6th, 2007 5:58 pm

      #31 Different plane…came in at different times/days

    35. dave on July 6th, 2007 6:00 pm

      I smell TROLL again.

    36. Brie on July 6th, 2007 6:36 pm

      There was an air-ambulance that landed in Aruba on the racetrack. The problem was the pilot lost radio contact with the air traffic control of Aruba. The public prosecutor imposed a fine on the pilot for neglience during flying. With this landing the pilot had endangered the traffic safety of the airspace(That’s how the article read). I’m pretty sure it’s very scarely to be up there and not have radio control to help and guide you land your plane. It was a necessary stop for refueling. Aruba’s fault, but the pilot had to pay the fine. So now, we have a plane that landed, don’t know when, don’t know why, don’t know who and then it sat there for several days. Julia is on some serious crack!
      that plane, if there was one, did not leave the island with Natalee. She writes fiction but poses it as the truth. That woman is brain dead. Remember the commercial…Is this your brain on drugs?. She probably can’t remember which child she has, belongs to which father.

    37. Brie on July 6th, 2007 6:42 pm

      Julia’s brain on drugs….^$%#@_~~>

    38. Carpe Noctem on July 6th, 2007 6:44 pm

      Robert, your English is fine.

      Zappa’s okay. I like that old CNN Crossfire vid

      clip more than his music though. I still can’t

      get over the fact he actually named his kid

      MOON UNIT. That must have been a really good joint

      that night! LOL

      SM: ;) took care of it (klaasend)

    39. Brie on July 6th, 2007 6:51 pm

      I guess Anita’s younger boys belong to the bat ball pimp club…..it develops them into delicious sporter’s

    40. Brie on July 6th, 2007 7:02 pm

      Julia, with a little change of hairdo looks like Medusa!

    41. Allan K on July 6th, 2007 8:06 pm

      Dompig and Booti in the bushes at motel spotted plane when they were peeping in at tourists. They were busy peeping and could not check it out. They called Julia Renfro to investigate. Also Dompigs new terrorism office is at said location in the bushes. Booti is in training for terrorism detection now part time and peeping he says is still first love. Booti is also serving drugs to crackheads in huts. Aruba says he is doing a good job.

      Julia is presently engaged to lying school and has cut back to every other word. She will be presented an award soon for her service to Aruba. She also has a new hair stylist.

    42. maria on July 6th, 2007 8:11 pm

      I have been following the case here. I don’t post But I would like to extend by depest sympahties to Richard. His posts are great and right on the ball. So sorry for the death in the family. They need to solve this.

    43. Brie on July 6th, 2007 8:11 pm

      Slit the poop Sloot’s….Aruba’s death wish!!!

    44. Mike on July 6th, 2007 8:53 pm

      What is the definition of mass confusion?

      Answer: Father’s Day at Julia Renfroe’s house.

      #36- The kids all have to have different fathers because nobody gets THAT drunk twice. She is the poster child for alcoholics to stop drinking and apparently it works.

    45. truthseeker2 on July 6th, 2007 8:59 pm

      #21. Yeah…I remember the dummy experiment when it washed up on shore everytime. I wonder why Max deVries never washed up on shore? Oh…wait…according to Dompig and his quote in Amigoe two weeks after Natalee disappeared, all of a sudden deVries has been spotted in Brazil and that case must have been insurance fraud. yeah…right.


    46. Brie on July 6th, 2007 9:07 pm

      Aruba’s new attraction…bonfire on the beach…the burning of the book…. you can bring your torch that you’ve been so eager to light!

    47. Brie on July 6th, 2007 9:12 pm

      #44…Hahaahahaahahaahaah…that’s good one!

    48. truthseeker2 on July 6th, 2007 9:14 pm

      #44. Bwahahahaha!!!!!! Now that’s funny.

    49. Mary Ann on July 6th, 2007 9:21 pm

      Most of you people are sick!!! Natalee is not coming home and you have to accept this. Trying to get to the Aruban people will never work. All the Arubans I know feel badly about Natalees disappreance but what can they do? Are you ready to ruin the lives of 100,000 people for one girl who acted stupidly. I know most of you would, but most people would not. When we in America can claim that we always do the right thing then prehaps we can judge others.

    50. Brie on July 6th, 2007 9:31 pm

      #44…Mike, still laughing…I’m picturing it!!! Let’s see now, who goes with who…pick your pa!

    51. Brie on July 6th, 2007 9:32 pm

      If you recognize anyone you know, it’s OK to go!

    52. yoyo muffintop on July 6th, 2007 10:14 pm

      Mary Ann – Not to worry. In the absence of a logical argument or anything else intelligent to say, some resort to name-calling. It’s 2nd-grade name-calling.

      Mary Ann, here is the lesson – even in paradise, bad things can happen. You have to be responsible for yourself and, if you are in a group, for GOD’S SAKE, take some responsibility for each other! 123 of her classmates let her go off into the night with 3 virtual strangers and nobody did anything or said anything or, so far as I can tell, paid any attention. We really are our brother’s keeper. Take the role seriously, because it could be you or your friend, or your or your friend’s daughter or sister who ends up missing. Don’t send your kids off to foreign country without some attempt to enlighten them to the dangers. Don’t go to a foreign land and suspend all the self-protective measures you’d adopt at home. Don’t, if you really are a “chaperone” treat the trip as a personal vacation – others are counting on you to watch out for their loved ones. This is the concatenation of a thousand errors and omissions, large and small, and the price of that may very likely be the death of a beautiful and, by all accounts, basically decent and accomplished young woman.

    53. yoyo muffintop on July 6th, 2007 10:21 pm

      Mary Ann – what I said above is what 99.99% of americans think about this case. Right or wrong. It is what it is.

    54. sparrow on July 6th, 2007 10:22 pm

      #49 mary ann>>>>Have you seen the movie GI Jane with Demi Moore? She has a very memorable saying in one scene. I always wanted to say that to someone, but I’m a girl.

    55. Brie on July 6th, 2007 10:25 pm

      #49….Aruban people don’t LIKE Joran anymore than we do…are you ready to ruin the lives of 100,000 people because of Joran Van der Sloot, the kidnapper,rapist, murderer. Natalee acted stupidly, that’s what you believe, Natalee was drugged. Natalee was lied to, manipulated, left under false pretenses and was promised a return to the Holiday Inn. And don’t refer to Natalee as one girl. I don’t believe your an American posting here. We in America CAN claim we’re doing the right thing, BOYCOTT ARUBA

      Don’t you think you should be out looking for Paulus?

    56. Susan on July 6th, 2007 10:26 pm

      # 49 – Mary Ann, Yep, you are a real sicko! What I’m sick of is idiots like you insisting Natalee acted stupidly, therefore causing her own death or whatever fate she may have met that night :-( Considering Natalee was slipped a lethal dose of a date rape drug at Carlos and Charlie’s in her drink, there’s no doubt she wasn’t herself. You are a typical moron who sadisticly blames the victim(s)…

      Wouldn’t it be great if Natalee waa allowed to finally come back home where she belongs? Wouldn’t it be a blessing if Natalee’s family could finally have closure?



    57. Robert on July 6th, 2007 10:33 pm

      Carpe Noctem | July 6, 2007, 6:44 pm

      Thanks for reasuring me on my (own pariticular mix of English-, US- and Dutch-)English…
      And you’re right about that night: weird things come out the smoke sometimes…

    58. Cerril on July 6th, 2007 10:35 pm

      #49, #56 Finally posts that make sense! Just be careful when you travel in a foreign country.

    59. Dayhiker on July 6th, 2007 10:40 pm

      #49 Mary Ann. The sooner you realize we are here to stay the sooner you’ll forget your frustrations. As much as you’d like, sweetheart, this isn’t going away. Comprende?

    60. yoyo muffintop on July 6th, 2007 10:45 pm

      #56 – what makes you think Natalee was slipped GHB? Your statement of “no doubt she wasn’t herself” makes it sound like you were there or are a personal friend. Well….

    61. Cerril on July 6th, 2007 10:48 pm

      I mean posts from Mary Ann and Yoyo are sensible.
      #56 Susan: You are a spiteful person. Nobody is blaming Natalee, can happen with everybody. Wrong decision at the wrong time. IMO the other students and chaparones should have stopped Natalee stepping into the car of Kalpoes.

    62. yoyo muffintop on July 6th, 2007 10:54 pm

      #56 – wait a minute…you “blamed the victim” (a 15yr old girl) a page back that was being taken advantage of by a 42yr old convicted sex offender.
      My o’ my….Care to defend yourself?

    63. Brie on July 6th, 2007 10:59 pm

      #52….A sick Renfro, Sloot attitude……it’s Joran’s fault. A victim doesn’t have a choice when drugged by ecstacy. If he wasn’t out pimping, remember he’s done this 20 times before, it wouldn’t of happened. I guess now we have 21 young girls that were stupid and all left with Joran…he’s not the romeo and your safe with me he pretends to be, the pimp of all pimps, he’s the psychopath that drugs his victim. Natalee was with her friends and Joran managed to separate them, her friends yelled for her to get out of car because they knew something was wrong. Many young people have learned, don’t go off with strangers, watch your drink and stay with your friends. The parents of all these children felt that Aruba was a safe place for them to vacation too. It always comes back to same thing, with those that are guilty….put the blame on someone else.

    64. Maggie on July 6th, 2007 11:01 pm

      Cerril how about Aruba should’ve enforced the law of noone under age in a casino and drinking underage, no VIP pass to Carlos n Charlies underage and drinking? Natalee would still be around if that were enforced.

      YoYo that is correct, noone’s behaviour and character changes 180 degrees for no reason. why would you serve an already intoxicated girl a rum 151 away from her group on the way out?

    65. Maggie on July 6th, 2007 11:12 pm

      Natalee was 18 and old enough to live on her own. Stop blaming victims of crimes! As we have all seen women are victims of crimes all over the world. They can get you in your bedroom as easy as they can anywhere else. You want to talk about Sick.. sick is blaming the victim of a crime and her family who was in another dif country..

      Nothing these 3 did that night or the next 2 years was honorable. First off lying about his age and who he was. How do you know they didn’t drug her? were you there? What did the 3 men in the back of the police van when they said if they find that girl, they will see that shit? Why did they say Joran would get 15 years if they find her?

      Don’t want to hear about shoulda woulda coulda for a victim. Place the blame directly where it goes. Why in the world would anyone send a loved one there and have the same thing happen? This is what you get?

    66. yoyo muffintop on July 6th, 2007 11:15 pm

      Maggie – gee, where you a teenager once? He was trying to get laid, let’s not sugar coat it. What “character” trait do you personally know of Natalee’s that turned 180? I don’t get that. And just as an fyi – it’s a carribean island/tourist island. Which one of those checks id’s?

    67. JusticeforNatalee on July 6th, 2007 11:22 pm


      JORAN is the one who made the bad choices that night:
      He had a choice between right and wrong/good and evil.

      Why didn’t HIS friends stop HIM?

      Why didn’t JORAN stop HIMSELF?

    68. serenity on July 6th, 2007 11:38 pm


      Natalee more than likely thought she was getting into a cab

    69. Brie on July 6th, 2007 11:39 pm

      #61…oh, so your not blaming Natalee…can’t you read, #49…
      one girl acted stupidly…chaperones meet with the students everyday and they’re weren’t any problems…Kalpoes parked their car in back of C&C”s so they wouldn’t be seen. Paulus should of stopped Joran from going out that night, for that matter, or any other night. Everyone knows Joran is violent, maybe Natalee said no she didn’t want to go with him, he didn’t like, but the drug took effect. In his psycho mind he hated her and that’s when bad things happened. I think Joran has been evaluated as such and Straaten wanted to place him in a mental institution. He belongs in a mental institution in prison.

    70. serenity on July 6th, 2007 11:47 pm

      Have we heard when Tim is going to Aruba??

    71. Susan on July 7th, 2007 12:00 am

      # 62 – yoyo muffintop – I didn’t post anything about the 15 yr old girl and the 42 year old convicted sex offender. Evidently there’s more than one “SUSAN” posting on SM. I’ve posted nothing to defend myself. Are you looking for a fight…lol? Geez!!

      # 61 cerri – Me spiteful? I can be, just like anyone else. No one is blaming Natalee for her actions while under the influence of a deadly mix of alcohol and drugs that were slipped into her drink? Where have you been? Blaming the other students and the chaperones is unacceptable!



    72. Carpe Noctem on July 7th, 2007 12:10 am

      Mary Ann – what I said above is what 99.99% of americans think about this case. Right or wrong. It is what it is.

      Hey Yoyo,

      I don’t know if you pried your stinking defense

      lawyer big a$$ out of your leather chair lately,

      and peered out your friggin window…

      but what you say… doesn’t represent

      a tish of what 99 PERCENT of Americans think, buddy!

      You ol’ puckered nut ne’er-do-well def. lawyer, you make me

      want to vomit.

      You and your poor mannered attack mutt, Rosie The Pitbull.

      (not to be confused with Rosie the nut case – GOOGLE Keyword: TRUMP)

      80 percent of Americans thought he either did murder her, or AT THE VERY LEAST knows precisely who did!


      80 percent of Americans do not agree that the ski is blue.

      Natalee’s friends DID in fact made MULTIPLE PASSES to try

      and stop her from getting into the vehicle with the two

      Suriname fake taxi drivers,

      and the gang-rapist Aruban Tourist Assassin,

      Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot

      (b. August 6, 1987 in Arnhem, Netherlands)

      Yes, that was a terrible choice… but she didn’t

      deserve to be raped and murdered by Joran, a known

      the sexual predator. It went too far that night,

      J crossed the line

      from a run of the mill drug dealer/rapist/problem child

      > to a cold blooded murderer. No turning back now.

      No do-overs when you kill somebody, and you ain’t on a

      battlefield.. Homicide is for life!


      WITCHES BREW OF BOGUS FIGURES. You can take your 99 Percent

      of whatever yer pushin’ this week,

      and shove it near where Greta likes

      to ram her nose. -j4n

    73. Compannzi on July 7th, 2007 12:44 am

      Wow reading the thread of anything Aruba and Natalee is like watching the best of Springers. I have not kept up with the minor details since they change or don’t get mentioned. There fore I need a refresher or a possible plain english answer…
      1. Shango the anonymous poster of a few years, we credit this person like he was a messiah. First did anyone ever check where his email was originating from? What makes this person who writes in code so alluring? to the point he gains credibility,why not discredit him like anything JvdS says….give me some really good logical evidence that this person is credible.
      2. Medplane see #36 if we to believe this reason, does that not explain and refute all the argument of “A plane landing without any authorization from anyone sounds like a drug deal or some shady deal going on with someone in aruba government!”. A fine is reasonable considering the many private airplane that accidently enter White house space, Port Caneveral space…besides in the US they’ed shoot you done.
      3. So far all the publically description of JvdS by fellow Mountain Brook students have been non negative, even the socalled fight which initially said it was JvdS I read some where turns out to be erronous. Same with Dr. Phil and is bogus Deepak Kalpoe tape, the one tauted a would blow tis this way over….What about that mobster Joseph Mammana, whois now serving time? My peronal inquiry is that of the relationshop with Hitler family tree……won’t the easy fix be to show the family tree, and if its bogus would be one more lie uncovered…?

      It just seem that as both side of the coin truth or lies get discovered perhaps a clearer picture will emerge.

    74. Brie on July 7th, 2007 12:45 am

      Susan isn’t spiteful, she’s angry just like everyone else and we all feel the same way. So don’t single her out!!!! Go snort! Withdrawal is showing.

      Joran and Paulus are criminals and they are guilty
      Natalee is a victim

      Got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Joran, Paulus and Anita are the talk of the island, along with all the other guilty parties

      Arubans thought at first they were being trampled on because Dompig said Beth came to “crush us”. It’s called brain-washing, now they know better!

      Joran’s last girlfriend was only 12 yrs old, talk about sick

      Joran’s been gambling and drinking since he was 16 yrs old, maybe sooner. Give him his own porno apartment, don’t care if he goes to school or not, turn him into your delicious sporter. Watch him put on his make-up and lipstick, so he can swing, pay his dues to the pimp club, arrange for a line-of-credit at the casino, don’t take anyone’s advice that he belongs in the cuckoo house….he’s a monster!!!!!

    75. Pearl on July 7th, 2007 12:48 am

      The voices that join together for Natalee Holloway’s freedom and truth will NEVER go away.
      It’s a question of ethics and moral decency.
      It’s comes down to standing up for what you believe in.

      The voices of all who join together for Natalee’s family’s rights to have their beloved child FREED from Aruba’s unlawful and depraved CONTAINMENT of her body, and who insist this child be returned to her loving family and her homeland, and that her right to justice be honored, – these voices for Natalee’s freedom and truth will continue to stand together because it’s a matter of ethics and moral decency. It comes down to standing up for what you believe in.

      No twisting of words with contemptuous lies and perverted indifference, will undo the depraved violations of criminal malfeasance inflicted upon Natalee Holloway and her family, and allowed by Aruban government and ALE officials. The barbaric conduct is visible. It could not be covered up. The hideous cruelty inflicted upon Natalee and her loved ones, will be exposed for all the world to see.

      The ONLY HOPE for Aruba is a transformation from its culture of depravity towards a culture that VALUES the formation of CONSCIENCE which holds inviolable, the protection of FREEDOM and LIFE and safeguards these values as God-given HUMAN RIGHTS that remain non-negotiable to the dignity of every human being.






      “The first and fundamental step towards a cultural transformation consists in forming consciences with regard to the incomparable and inviolable worth of every human life. It is of the greatest importance to re-establish the essential connection between life and freedom. These are inseparable goods: where one is violated, the other also ends up being violated.” Wojtyla,K.







    76. Brie on July 7th, 2007 1:04 am

      Aruba is built and sits on ancient burial grounds…..do the Sloot’s hear rapping, thumping, knocking, footsteps….we know for a fact there is bed-shaking in Joran’s apartment…maybe they will disappear into their television set and a power surge will strike…Tangina Barrons does not make house calls anymore!!!!

    77. Carpe Noctem on July 7th, 2007 1:09 am


      Elmo Loves You All!

      Justice 4 Natalee

      Enjoy your weekend.


    78. dennisintn on July 7th, 2007 1:10 am

      let’s not confuse the 2 totally different medjets. natalee’s family had a medjet wait at the airport expecting natalee to need medical expertise when found. there was nothing illegal or sinister in it or it’s pilots actions. if this is the one julia’s bitching about a.l.e. not knowing about, then a.l.e. was the only organization on the planet that didn’t know it was there. the news casts every 30 minutes reminded us it was still there waiting for natalee.

      the medjet that landed on the racetrack had nothing to do with natalee. this is the plane that landed without authorization and was duly fined for it’s actions. the pilot had lost radio contact with aruba’s tower and needed to land for fuel.

    79. Wayne on July 7th, 2007 1:13 am

      To all of you Natalee bashers and those of you who wish to blame her for her demise. Just remember, one of the few true statements made by Joran was we have done this 20 times before and nothing happened. Now ask yourselves what happenened that Urine is not telling. In addition if Urine and the Cowpukes did not take Natalee off she would still be dancing on this earth. If the authorities in Aruba enforced their drinking and gambling laws Natalee would be with us today. If the “Good People of Aruba” did not advertise their island as perfect and the safest island in the Caribbean then Natalee would probably still be with us.

      Given all the above and more that has come out of this case, and then assessing the complete and total failure of the legal system, and the investigation of this case the only logical conclusion is that there has been an intentional cover up of what happened to Natalee. When the “Good People of Aruba” march on their officials and protest the way they did against Beth Twitty then maybe the powers that be in Aruba will get their heads out of their A$$es and see that Natalee is returned to her family and her countrymen. Who knows they might even find an investigator that can solve this case.Until these events come to pass we the people of the U. S. A. will excersie our right to boycott any damn body we choose and we will refuse to spend our money where one of ours is treated like a leper and denied their rights as a human being and a world citizen. Now do you clowns on this board understand what I just wrote if not then you have a major problem. As for whether or not one person is worth hurting 100000 people’s livelihoods all I will say is if those people are not interested in doing the right thing and holding their authorities accountable then they deserve what they get. It is just like some Americans feel about the Iraqis, if they will not fight for their own rights we cannot help them. You see, the power to end all of this rests with the citizens of Aruba, and I don’t mean people like Julia Renfro and Dumb Pig, or Ms. Shipper.

    80. Susan on July 7th, 2007 1:24 am

      Thanks Brie :-)

    81. Barbara on July 7th, 2007 6:01 am

      The only way to end this nightmare is to “make” some people talk. Since Joran is a psychopath, he would lie and believe his lies. They need to quietly pick up one of the perps or friends and make them an “offer” they can’t refuse. Actually a couple “disappearences” would start some people talking. I guess it all comes down to who wants Natalie’s case solved the most. The boycott is the only way to pressure the Island’s “business” people. Thank you all for your efforts here. I read this site often but never post.

    82. sparrow on July 7th, 2007 6:25 am

      Give me one good, logical reason WHY any descent human being would come to this board, KNOWING it’s dedicated to NATALEE HOLLOWAY, and say hateful, spiteful, untrue, uncalled for lies. It plain hateful, mean spirited. WRONG!!!
      You can’t have a soul. So keep coming back to disrupt>>there’s enough of US here dedicated to staying together, and we’ll disprove you every time. We’ll stand together for NATALEE. God Bless Natalee Holloway Forever.

      You, the ones who discredit a human life, who are COLD HEARTED heathens, who stand for nothing, will not win. In the end joran, his no good, sorry, aiding, poor excuse for a father, paulus, and the two kalpoes brothers will pay.AND any other evil, demented THING that side with the killing, raping, drugging, kidnapping, lying, twisted, putrid, low life, cold hearted, brainless, demons>>YOU WILL PAY.

    83. Pearl on July 7th, 2007 9:13 am

      Aruba, time to weed out the depraved, corrupt, obstructive individuals who would participate in the hideous cover up of felonious criminal conduct, and create obstructions of justice for the victim, Natalee and her family.

      Begin with the perverted individual who lied to Beth telling her that her baby could be found in a “crack house”, preying on a parents terror that not only was their baby abducted, but being used by a bunch of venemous predators where she is held against her will through the use of narcotics, forced upon her while the predators USE HER, for their perversions of gang rape.

      Only a predator would then proceed to suggest that a loving family, who scrapes together the funds to provide medical care for such a horrific scenario – was now “hiding” not only a “drug problem” but, a JET as well!

      The disturbing malfeasance seems to have no end to it, when it comes to the perversions that Aruban PREDATORS can execute upon such a loving, beautiful and victimized family as Natalee Holloway’s family.

      Beth secures a med team and evacuation jet in order to treat what she believes is being FED TO HER BY THE PREDATORS WHO WERE OBSTRUCTING, MISLEADING, AND INFLICTING NOT ONLY FINANCIAL DISTRESS BUT EMOTIONAL AND MENTAL HARM UPON HER FAMILY, and in Beth’s vulnerability in needing to find her daughter, and trusting those posing to be “friendly” and “wanting to help”, she does EVERYTHING a MOTHER WOULD AND SHOULD DO, believing her baby is being held against her will and drugged against her will, only to have the bowels of hell, then USE HER ACTS OF LOVE AS A MOTHER, to suggest more perversion such as: “They were hiding a drug-use problem” and “concealing a jet”!

      Imagine the types of unconscienable individuals who would LIE to a grief-stricken family, FEEDING THEM TERROR CONCERNING THEIR KIDNAPPED CHILD, so that they could then use the actions taken by the family, to create hideous lies about the VICTIM, in order to create more obstructions to the ugly truth about ARUBA?

      What kind of individuals could execute such savagery upon a family suffering as THIS FAMILY HAS SUFFERED?



    84. disgustedmom on July 7th, 2007 10:03 am

      #73….I’ll try to give you some plain English answers…

      1. I personally don’t give Shango ANY credit for being anything but a tease because if he really knew squat and wanted to help he’d not have played his stupid ‘clue game’. I also don’t believe Shango was talking about Natalee as much as he was just talking about the ‘game’ that goes on in Aruba and his introduction of this ‘game’ into the Natalee case caused speculation about ‘the game’ possibly having something to do with Natalee’s disappearance.

      However, even without Shango suggesting Rave’s and such, the idea would still have come up because everyone knows it goes on in lots of countries. I think we could all have done without Shango’s pothead posts.

      2. Brie can correct me if I’m wrong, but I didn’t think from what she posted that she had a problem with the fine for the pilot who landed on the race track. The problem I read into what she posted was with JulieR suggesting Natalee was whisked away off the island by her own family in a plane that Aruba claims they didn’t know was there -like the medjet just sneaked in and sat there for several days! In plain English, Julie R is off her rocker with such a ridiculous assertion.

      FYI…we don’t shoot down planes that wander into forbidden airspace. The pilot is provided an ‘escort’ out of the area, made to land and then questioned. Have you even thought how stupid it would be to shoot down a plane over top the White House and let all that mess fall on lots of cool stuff and people? Oh, yeah, I know….Americans are just reactionary hot heads who don’t care about fallout from what they do. Such is the mindset of PVDS when he determined Jug was a pushy American and used it as an excuse to polarize himself and his family from helping find Natalee. And such is this latest article about how America ruined everything in this case. America’s only real problem is that they try too hard to get along when they really could just cap an a*s.

      3. A) Some MBies did speak well of Joran in the context that they ‘thought’ he was an OK guy/fellow tourist. They were obviously conned, and I’m sure by now they have learned that all that glitters is not gold.

      B)The ‘fight’ had it’s value in that it showed there was more than one predator on the island trying to hook up with female tourists which has led to admittance that it happens all the time down there between at least 2 gangs of pimps- that would be Joran and his gang versus G and his gang. It also shows clearly that Natalee was NOT interested in being ‘sexually bothered’ on the dance floor- in an environment where such a behavior is normal- which I find key to her pattern of behavior that indicates she was NOT interested in having a sexual encounter while on the island. This then, leads to the lies Joran says about Natalee ‘all of a sudden’ being consensually permiscuous etc. Of COURSE, Joran defenders would want to relegate this fight to something insignificant like “the MBies were wrong”. But you’re wrong! The fight was very significant no matter which Aruban Local predator of tourists it involved.

      C) I’m skipping the Skeeter’s Tape because I can’t understand what you’ve typed about it.

      D) Joe M? I don’t know if he’s in jail or what, but Joe M clearly scared the crap out of a lot of people who needed the crap scared out of them. He was, therefore, useful. I wonder some times where this case would be right now if Joe M had followed up on his message.

      E) This whole thing about Hitler seems to be a major interest of the Joran supporters, but I can’t see why except Joran likes to use it to suggest Natalee had serious issues with her mother and might therefore have wanted to run away. This concept though is a foundationless building being erected to smear Natalee’s and her family’s name.

      I fail to see where providing a ‘family tree’ would make any point even IF Natalee’s mom were related to Hitler. BUT, as Karin J seemed keen on wanting to know if it is true that Beth is related to Hitler, and as Anita or Nadira mentioned Aryan Nation…so ok, if you want to make a big deal of the alleged Hitler remark, then let’s make this a hate crime if Natalee was murdered…and add fuel to that fire by recalling Joran’s remarks he claims were made by Natalee about slaves, and yeah, we have a possible hate crime here…. and if not that then let’s make this a kidnapping of a blond blue-eyed female to impregnate her with babies of those interested in creating a supreme pure white race of the ‘Hitler mind’. Otherwise, there is no significance to the alleged Hitler remark. Yet, since Joran and so many others want to focus on racism, then maybe we are looking at a hate crime.

      That said, I happen to agree with you that there is something big behind this Hitler issue…Joran admits he gets white girls for his dark skinned friends. It makes sense to me that Joran would want to believe Natalee was a racist so participating in his dark skinned friends raping her would be more exciting. I do believe Joran’s racism remarks are quite telling of his mindset aka motives. I’ll put more in another post.

    85. Pearl on July 7th, 2007 10:17 am

      God bless all the men and women with INTEGRITY who are investigating this barbaric case of cruelty and hideous criminal conduct inflicted upon Natalee and her family.

      But for your acts of integrity, do we truly have freedom and the dream to pursue happiness and justice!

      But for your acts of bravery, do we enjoy another day where the belief in justice is possible.

      But for your acts of honesty, do we find ourselves continuing to HOPE that justice for Natalee and her family will indeed be achieved.

      God bless all those agents, investigators, journalists, and those who took an oath to uphold, defend and protect with integrity the laws that govern the protection of Natalee’s human rights, God bless all those in every realm who pursue justice with a passion, and uphold principles of integrity through conduct that reveals honor, and dedication to finding THE TRUTH!

      May your acts of integrity give hope to the Twitty Holloway families that one day soon, their precious Natalee’s truth will be told, their pain and suffering ended, their torment and anguish soothed through YOUR acts of INTEGRITY that bring home Natalee’s truth, and Natalee’s right to justice!

      Help this family find peace!

    86. disgustedmom on July 7th, 2007 10:44 am

      On Joran and racism….He’s the one who made it important in this case, so we have to give it some value. I know he’s lied too so we tend to discount anything he says of having any value, but on the contrary we should be looking at the things he has chosen to say or lie about as all having signigicant value toward what motivates him to behave the way he does and therefore did that night he lured Natalee away.

      Joran has the mindset that people ‘deserve it’ when he does whatever he wants to do no matter what. The polis deserved to be lied to because they would not have approved of what he did. Natalee’s family deserved to be lied to because they would not accept what he’d done and give him kudoes for it. His own mother deserved to be faced with this problem because if she’d been home Joran wouldn’t have gone out. So yeah, in Joran Land, he does whatever he wants to do and the victims of the Law of Joran Land deserve what they get because simply Joran feels entitled to do as he pleases and if you don’t like it you deserve whatever is needed to keep Joran in the right. (Yeah, sociopath)

      Joran brings up racism. There is no need for this if he has nothing to do with the case. Therefore, it has something to do with it. It probably has everything to do with it but not because Natalee was a racist… but rather because she was put in a position she didn’t like with dark skinned people and would not have liked had those people not been dark skinned either…so what we have ala Joran is that HE was rejected by Natalee for sex as were his dark skinned friends, but Joran can’t take that rejection because he’s white! and in his mind Natalee being a racist she would not have rejected his sexual advances so whatever he did to her he tells himself was consensual. Never mind that Joran might consider Natalee was rejecting sex period! That is not possible in Joran’s mind since to him all female American tourist girls want it…so he says he did certain things to Natalee and that she was all fine with it and nothing happened to her while he had her…the racist thing becomes important to Joran because IMO the real lasting damage to Natalee began when some dark skinned male took over, and Joran’s racism imput is his way of saying Natalee deserved it because she was a racist as if, if she’d gone along with it-and not been a racist- she’d have been fine after they were done with her as she was when Joran, the white boy, was done with her.

      Again, Joran cannot conceive of the notion that Natalee was not interested in having sex with ANYONE! If he would allow himself to believe that, he would not be able to justify that none of this was his fault. He would not therefore have played the race card.

    87. Brie on July 7th, 2007 11:41 am

      #84…Oh no, I didn’t think she had a problem with the pilot, my point was, another time when Aruba failed responsibility….air control radar was not working…and the pilot was fined because of that…claiming it was his fault…but regardless, a plane doesn’t just sit on your runway for several days without a reason. I didn’t know that a med-jet was legally there for Natalee…Renfro fails to tell the truth as usual, more of her twisted, fallous remarks.

      Sorry, if I made that confusing…..I don’t think Beth did anything at all while she was there that was awry.

    88. canadaday on July 7th, 2007 11:45 am

      To all the trolls who post here seemingly concerned about the affect of the boycott on Aruba’s Tourism and the Island’s population, it is the direct result of the Aruba Government / ALE’s obvious and intentional coverup of this case – nothing more and nothing less. We who support the boycott have no explaining to do to all the innocent Arubans affected by this. If those affected don’t understand, I suggest they take that problem up with the Aruban Officials and known perps who to this day continue to obstruct justice and withold the whole truth. Only when the whole truth is revealed and those who have committed crimes in this case are fully prosecuted, will the boycott go away.
      Finally you should know by know, that support for this boycott will only continue to grow and won’t be going away until all the guilty low lifes, in this case, have been put away where they rightfully belong.

    89. Warf on July 7th, 2007 11:45 am

      49. Mary Ann 7/6

      “Natalee is not coming home and you have to accept this. Trying to get to the Aruban people will never work.”

      We do not have to accept this; we work to bring Natalee home because it is THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Getting to the Aruban people is not the objective, bringing Natalee home is the objective. Until that happens, the secondary objective is . . . not to spend another nickel on Aruba. If JUSTICE, TRUTH, and MERCY do not influence the Aruban people, the disappearance of the almighty buck will have impact.

      “All the Arubans I know feel badly about Natalees disappreance but what can they do?”

      Arubans can speak out…CLEARLY: That they will not tolerate pimp activity on their island. That they value their sons and daughters, as we value our sons and daughters. That they protest the corruption and the cover up. That they SHUN the reporters who conspire to twist facts into lies, and VOTE OUT the corrupt politicians. They can send letters, emails, balloons, post-it notes, drop slips of paper, hang up signs-exposing the ugly underbelly. They can do this because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

      “Are you ready to ruin the lives of 100,000 people for one girl who acted stupidly. I know most of you would, but most people would not.”

      Prove this “acted stupidly” statement! How do you know she was not drugged by the 3 “strangers” who appeared at the bar near closing? The only way you can “meet” a young woman and be assured you will get what you want (in a half hour) is to drug her, or take advantage of her. We, in America, call them “PREDATORS.”

      “When we in America can claim that we always do the right thing then perhaps we can judge other.”

      We do not “claim” this is the right thing to do…IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Aruba has no “claim” on our money, or our kindness. Arubans have turned their backs on JUSTICE, TRUTH, and MERCY; therefore, we can turn our backs to Aruba.


    90. yoyo muffintop on July 7th, 2007 11:46 am

      DR. PHIL MCGRAW, TALK SHOW HOST: We have reasonable belief — without creating false hope, we have reasonable belief and some credible evidence that Natalee Holloway is alive.
      11/3/05 CNN

      How did Joran kill her on 5/31, but yet Dr Phil have credible evidence she is alive on 11/3?

      Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
      Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.

      Frances saw her back at the hotel later that night. Now ask yourself how Joran killed her if she was back at the hotel.

    91. Melissa on July 7th, 2007 11:49 am

      Aruba is an island where blame the victim mentality is the norm! The only logical retaliation against this is to boycott Aruba!!!!

    92. katablog.com on July 7th, 2007 11:51 am

      YoYo: This is not a perfect world, young people make mistakes. Next, Joran was not a stranger to Natalee. There are reports that he had met the group earlier in the week and given them a story about being a fellow tourist. Young, friendly people like Natalee tend not to know strangers. They are open and accepting and make friends easily and tend to trust people.

      While you and I may know better – can we really blame a young person for being open and trusting? Isn’t it the evil in the world and on one crappy island that is the real thing to blame? Shouldn’t people be able to trust others?

    93. Warf on July 7th, 2007 12:00 pm

      yo yo,

      Dompig believed he had credible evidence that Natalee had been buried, and moved. (Usually only done to dead bodies)

      Jan van der Straten said she was dead because he had seen the files and “you” have not.

      The F.B.I. expressed the opinion that she was dead–to the family.

    94. Brie on July 7th, 2007 12:37 pm

      Extradition to the US for Joran, Kalpoes and Paulus, we can solve the crime and put an end to all of this, the acts imposed on Natalee and her family have reached a point of no toleration. Discrediting Natalee goes on over and over again, the inhuman, disrespect, unlawful handing of the case, corruption and cover-up have reached an all-time end. We want the case to go to trial. In our country, Natalee deserves and should be given this right, she is our American. In reference, according to Aruba, Natalee is referred to as one girl or that girl. Joran and his tee-shirts, Joran and his lies, Joran and his book, he represents another crime waiting to happen.

      Geoffrey van Cromvoirt made several passes at Natalee, in return she smacked him. Joran in his mind, king of the pimps … I’ll take care of this. How dare anyone refuse a pimp…so we also cause a racial issue with the Kalpoes..and Joran smiles with revenge

    95. dave on July 7th, 2007 12:59 pm

      Pay no attention to yo blo the mentally handicapped TROLL. It’s obviously got no life, let it die hungry and lonely.

    96. Brie on July 7th, 2007 1:02 pm

      If someone saw Natalee at the hotel that night, Joran had a room at the Holiday Inn, he said he stayed there and Natalee said they will bring me back to the hotel. There is a room at the Holiday Inn that entertains the wealthy from South America, it’s all for porn. ? live or filmed? or both? Something could of gone on there. And from there she disappeared, dead or abducted. Joran knows and so does Paulus.
      We have witnesses here that will testify…but only in the U.S.A. Joran was last seen with Natalee and he has no witnesses to testify otherwise. That’s for beginners, kidnapping!!!

    97. Allan K on July 7th, 2007 1:28 pm

      Aruba will always be a hell hole to me. The Aruba people made Beth apologize. Also, shut the woman (Beth) up. Have a beer wait around couple of days she will show up. The Aruba mentality is absurd and pathetic. Everybody has seen it.

      If Natalee was my daughter Joran would have talked to me if I could get close to him. Its no need to let scum like this run around on two feet. This is no big mystery here. If he didn’t do it he would have already told the rest of the story. The problem here is Aruba and at one time we know they had the evidence.

      Another thing is that lunatic Julia Renfro with her statements. Has Aruba came forward and cleared those statements up? Why not? Just more lies and to Aruba’s favor so let it go. That island is still not looking for the truth. It would be in ATA better standing to clear it up. Aruba is an island of a lot of losers who anxiously await their future who seem to be unable to do the right thing.

      Aruba get the school rapists let it be known. Prosecute Natalees case. Send an apology to Beth for taking so long and we will be going to court soon. Get the peeping toms out of the bushes. Stop the drugging and raping of tourists. Prosecute the pimp gang. Stop Mr.Pinks custom videos. Do something with your crack houses that I am sure drugged victims have awoken there.

      Aruba will never be what it was. You are sealing your own fate by your inactions and blaming victims. To hell with you.

    98. Brie on July 7th, 2007 1:39 pm

      Mary Ann…Cerril…and YoYo Pancaketop…do not speak for the people of Aruba….they do not speak, only think! But I do know they want the case solved and know of Joran and Paulus and wish they’d disappear as well as the Dutch! But remaining silent isn’t going to help the BOYCOTT! It just prolongs the agony.

    99. ben on July 7th, 2007 1:59 pm

      Brie,if you really have witnesses contact the fbi.Other wise your just like the shango says he knows everything but hes just playing mind games.

    100. Brie on July 7th, 2007 2:21 pm

      #99…no one is playing mind games,drone…we all know we have witnesses in the US and they are willing to testify in the case…. where have you been. What they have to say…is none of your business…they are witnesses…that’s why it needs to go to trial…..here! They won’t testify in Aruba! The FBI knows…you dumb ass!

    101. Brie on July 7th, 2007 2:26 pm

      #97…I agree, those things mentioned are not beyond what they can do. I guess they all work on the ostrich and donkey farms. Still your head in the sand and show your ass!

    102. Allan K on July 7th, 2007 2:38 pm

      I have heard that story 2 years ago and exactly what would they testify too!

    103. Allan K on July 7th, 2007 2:43 pm

      Posted: 30 July 2005 at 3:53pm | IP Logged


      Here’s an interesting post from pal Billy — I posted here some time back that there was an owner of a casino thats a truly bad man — The kind you would fear on his turf. Billy here, tells the story Dan posted here — with a few of the blanks. I think I gave the info here to a few people PM. If you want to Post that info about M. Posner…. fire at will.

      http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/ 07/natalee_hollowa_85.html#comments

      quit trying to divert blame from these kids. even if they are scared for the lives of their families they should tell what they know. Let their families pay the price for the friends they kept. Better those 2 evil families die than Beth not get Natalee back.

      I for one encourage the baddys to eliminate the kalpoes and the Sloots and Steve Croes. Would be no loss.


      they did take her to the holiday inn, they just gang raped her in another rooom and left her there with posner and his bodyguards

      ———————————————————— —————

      this was all payback for the chaperone’s interference. its a tight knit island. so lets see the baddys start killing the sloots and kalpoes. its about time. Lorenzo, go wild.


      this was completely premeditated

      why do you think it happened on sunday night?

      they planned to deliver her to Posner at the Holiday inn party. they (drug dealers at holiday inn) found out she was bama and they took out revenge on her;

      she was not kidnapped. if there was some chance that she was alive the three would have said it right away.

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      they covered everythin in the first story.

      if two guards took her into the hotel, they didn’t take her to her room. did they check every room for evidence of a party. what about rooms that were rented by high rollers? What about rooms that were used off the books.? what about the underground partys after bar hours? i

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 06:42 AM

      they were staying in the hotel where she was held for days. thier phones and messages were monitored

      she may stil be alive, but i doubt it.

      look at the staff of carlos and charlies and tell me how it has changes since natalee. do the same for holiday inn?

      i believe a high roller asked a concierge at the holiday inn to bring in an american girl. they used jurine to get her, but the three raped her first.


      she was taken for a reason, and provided for the service of someone at the HI. there is a local porn company that does a lot of custom videos for people.


      when beth called them criminals, she was not lying. there is evidence on their computers that they did this before, and didn’t get caught. picutures of other rapes at parties. the staff at Carlos and Charlies is deep into this.



      but he didn’t care then. he was at a party with a lot of the staff of Carlos and Charlies and the Holiday Inn. that guy got Natalee, and may have used Mr. Pink productions to make a movie of her.

      These kids may take embarressing photos of some women and then blackmail them into doing other things.


      if they were able to set her up earlier in the week they could have used that against her.(not strong idea)

      anyways, they think she is gonna be found like all the others at a crackhouse. she doesn’t come back though. and knowing that Posaner is a baddy who owns the casino at the Holiday Inn and the HI owner is a friend of his equally baddy, they know they have to take the story away fromm the holiday inn and that is why every story steers clear of there.


      posner is big enough to lie for.

      posner getst the police to take the body away to the landfill, or

      posner sends her off on one of his boats.

      or she is still held at the Holiday Inn in a secret room. would liketo see some of the high end suites and offices…do they have an elevator shaft directly to the basemnet sex party dungeon?

      Posted by: billyright

    104. Allan K on July 7th, 2007 2:58 pm

      or she is still held at the Holiday Inn in a secret room. would liketo see some of the high end suites and offices…do they have an elevator shaft directly to the basemnet sex party dungeon?

      Posted by: billyright

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      why do you think they are no longer staying at the Holiday Inn? because they spied on them there. they also used the editor of Aruba today to mislead the Holloways and divert attention. why else did she pick apart the woman who saw the car.

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      i think she was in the hotel around the time that Beth was there.

      ———————————————————— —————–

      julie renfro, aruba today, is that her name?

      i’ll admit she was very defensive on tv regarding the situation. early on, she seemed to cozy up to beth, but i haven’t seen her on air with her since.

      Posted by: bamaguy11 | July 30, 2005 07:03 AM

      berry this lie was plotted out too early in the game to not have come frm premeditation. get a brain.

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 07:03 AM

      thats her…she’s working for the sloots to get jurine off, she hates america and that is why she left for aruba.

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 07:04 AM

      she even told me natalee had a coke problem on the island and she said natalee was a racist and brought this on herself. hell, that dilma chick is telling everyone off the record that natalee was pregnant and thought her mom was hitler. they are subltey working against this case, Aruba today is against the Holloways. I think every woman on aruba is mad because of how Americans value one of their where as Aruban women are viewed as “conveniently disposable.”

      the united states needs to take that island and use it as a base for the drug war on terror.

      this is terror.

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      and the motivation to lie about a possible murder is/??????

      they did it. your a sloot supporter.

      Posted by: billyright | July 30, 2005 07:11 AM

      i hope so too. the first lie was their entire hand, everything else is a distraction from it.

      they took her to the holiday inn and that is where she met her demise.

      there is this guy named Lorenzo who figures in here somewhere..can he be seen on Holiday Inn’s cameras anywhere?

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      i think that island is a threat to the interests of the united states and should be treated as such.

      Aruba today is the Oduber gov’s mouthpiece. nothing good will come ot it. tito is a fruit. editor and dilma are not to be trusted. they are beign paid off to discredit the family subtley behind the scenes.

      you’d neeed at leas 200 people watching the HI in every hallway, every elevator door, every elevator and searching every room to make sure there was no shifting her around going on.


      the editor of Aruba today is ant-american.

      she likes the fact that a “rich snobby bible bitch” got what she said, “may have been asking for”.

      not my words.

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      joetwo: Early on Dave Holloway was searching the landfill – do you not think he would have heard of a witness early on – Miller is searching high and low – do you not think they have been looking at the landfill early on? Smokescreen – stupidity – newspaper sales – tv fame – no body – who is scared? to come forward and why? – van der Straten stated in yesterday’s interview that early on there were 12 outside investigators (from the USA and Holland) involved from the almost 30 on the case. Who manipulated whom?

      Posted by: blacklable | July 30, 2005 08:56 AM


      shower and cartoons and get rid of some strange woman.

      who asked the questions.


      because he is the first criminal in the chain of events…and he has done this before, there is proof of this in deepaks possession. pictures that can put jurine right there. and jurine is the one who “carved” her out.

      which speaks to symantics…makes her sound like a piece of meat. I think this a common, if not weekly, occurence in Aruba, and it finally happened to the wrong girl. They sh*t their pants when they saw Beth less than 24hours later. That Stratten guy is a major spoiler in all of this. what a creep.


      there is the matter of the 3 girls of Aruban families that were reported missing to the police and no one, not one cop, followed up. And anytime a reporter from Aruba Today talks to a witness, their story changes. why?
      Is the editor of Aruba Today doing a bunch of witness tampering? for who?


      the fact of the matter is this is all just a big p r campaign…digging up a pond, the wrong one. the landfill. the half/day off to search for natalee…. this is boob bait for the bubbas…….nothing more. if they thought theyd find her there, they wouldn’t dig… my greatest hope is that jurine is put inot general population and then done in by a group of assholes who have it in for a judge’s son. then maybe someone could rent a jeep and drive over Moma kalpoe and the boys. deepak and satish should be buried alive in a crab pit. and moma sloot sloot and popa sloot should hang from different ends of the same rope…and in the end let this all be a lesson to Valentijn…i prefer that the families of everyone involved in the disinformation of the Holloways suffer the same fate of Natalee.

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=——————————————— —-=-=-=-=-=-

      in the weeks leading up to the Night natalee died…they have a serial killer on their hands, and they think its Jurine. This is information from tow news sources on the island, and none of them are Aruba today. But as always they have to watch what they put in the papers, lest the retribution. though it was a small papiamento article in Diario on tuesday.

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      the fact of the matter is that no american has any reason to ever go to Aruba and spend a dime again. i made up post cards and printed natalees face on it with, no more tourism till you account for her..

      and slogans like: “I’d like to make a reservation, for the week after Natalee is back in Alabama and her parents are satisfied and reimbursed.

      inferno…didn’t HI have a fire that interrupted the telecasts? hmm…something fishy. did shango start the fire at the hotel?
      was that fire a way to move Natalee out of the hotel under cover of a stretcher and ambulance?

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=———————————-=-=-=-= -=-=-=-=-
      i’ll find it and I’ll post the link…and i’ll call my sources to confirm family addresses.

      where does the trash go at the holiday inn?

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      From Ringo’s post from RWV:

      “in the weeks leading up to the Night natalee died…they have a serial killer on their hands, and they think its Jurine. This is information from tow news sources on the island, and none of them are Aruba today. But as always they have to watch what they put in the papers, lest the retribution. though it was a small papiamento article in Diario on tuesday.”

      Well, now, that’s something I could get my mind around with no problem at all. That actually makes sense.

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    105. Maggie on July 7th, 2007 2:59 pm

      Now we are back to the Francis Byrd story.. Francis said she saw Natalee that night.. She doesn’t say she saw her at the hotel after they went back, she said she was leaving it at she saw her there that night.

      Interviewer: Let me ask you, Frances Ellen, when is the last time you saw her?
      Frances Ellen Byrd: That night.
      Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night…
      Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
      Interviewer: You were with her that night.
      Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
      Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
      Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.
      Interviewer: Saw her that night.
      Frances Ellen Byrd: Right.

      As for Joran getting “laid” , your words, Right he was calling Jaimie between 4-6 for a ride to meet some MB students at Carlos N Charlies however Joran says he didn’t meet the girls till almost 8 or 8:30 that night and didn’t decide to go until 9 or so. Phone records of Jaime’s could prove when he called. Anyway he spends from 5ish until 12:30 getting to CnC to get a girl and then forgets a condom, Right! People who go on consensual dates aren’t missing at sun up.

      They didn’t leave the place until it closed and went out in a mass exit. People everywhere, the best time to whisk someone off and Deepak went out ahead and was waiting in the car before it even closed. When they are on the way out, he takes her to another bar in the place away from her friends and serves her a rum151. Sounds like a plan to me. Someone Joran said he won’t name gave him a VIP pass to Carlos n Charlies. Why would they do that? Furthermore there isn’t one person who corroborates any of their story after they left Carlos n Charlies. They don’t even corroborate their own stories.

    106. Maggie on July 7th, 2007 3:20 pm

      We’ve heard from Natalee’s mom that it would be totally out of character for Natalee to leave on her own with strangers, that she was always early for everything and very responsible. However, J2k who only knew her that night, wants us to believe all at once her entire personality changed when with them and for no reason. This is some comments also from her friends about it. Natalee had traveled to other countries before and did just fine.

      Francis Ellen Byrd: We went out on the beach every day, hung out together. Our grade’s really close. And everyone hung out together the entire time.

      Alana Jordan: (to question where, what time and in what condition last saw Natalee) The last time I saw Natalee, we were leaving the club, and a friend of mine went back to the club because we were going to make sure that no one got left because we were leaving at closing. And we ran into her and asked her if she was Ok. And she said, “Yes” and indicated that she was going back to the hotel with some other Mountain Brook students.

      Alana Jordan: (did she know Joran) I never met him before, and that night he didn’t talk. He was just walking next to her. But I assumed that it was him. It was a tall guy with dark hair. I never knew his name, though.

      Alana Jordan: (answering if she had seen Natalee with Joran before the last night) No, but he was in our casino a lot.

      Interviewer: Would you be surprised to hear that she went off with some guy? Would that shock you?
      Alana Jordan: Yes. She’s not — there’s been a lot of allegations that she was a less than respectable girl, and that is completely false. That’s really why I wanted to come on this show, to just clarify that she’s a really good girl, a really smart girl, and that’s why this is such a shock to us.

      Interviewer: So, that wouldn’t ordinarily be her modus operandi, to go in a car with three guys? That wouldn’t have happened in your experience?
      Alana Jordan: No.
      Interviewer: And you know her very well?
      Alana Jordan: I would say so, yes.

      Ruth McVay: (commenting on Natalee getting in the car) But, she had smarts and maturity. She knew better. Natalee would never take off with people we didn’t know. She was my most responsible friend ever.

      Ruth McVay: I found it weird because he (Joran) mentioned earlier that no one went out on Sunday nights, that it was a bad night. And then he showed up at the place (Carlos ‘n Charlies).

    107. Pearl on July 7th, 2007 3:20 pm

      Warf, #89, well said… that being, that to uphold Natalee Holloway’s right to justice and freedom is indeed,”(IT IS) THE RIGHT THING TO DO”!

      Yoyo, give yourself a rest. You must feel dizzy from all that spinning you do.
      You could have been so much more, yoyo, but you settle instead for depravity. Look back to the promises you made, yoyo. What do your words mean now as you skate across the suffering of a little girl, whom you know was savagely tortured?

      Why do you settle yoyo, for dining with the devils of the earth who coordinate their perversions in order to gang up on one defenseless little girl whom they render completely helpless before gang raping her, beating her and murdering her, followed with the cruelty of desecrating her body, in while her defenseless family is forced to watch this perverted display of cruelty?


      Where and when did you lose your conscience?
      Depravity, lies, and serving criminal sociopaths?
      You could be so much more!
      Why do you settle for the bowels of hell, when you know what suffering this poor child was subjected to?

      Where did you lose your conscience?
      Is the money worth it to you?
      Is this your legacy to children everywhere – to insure the predatory liars and sociopaths freedom, and circle round the heavy batteried child, and kick her into oblivion?

      Bless all of you who stand together by Natalee’s side, defending her and protecting her from this savagery – NOW EXPOSED in all its perverted disregard for the sanctity of Natalee’s life!

      #7, Dennisintn – you said it! A JET, mind you, entering the teeny, tiny sky-space of Aruba, and the ALE claim: we didn’t see it!!!!!!!

      You know, its interesting what unconscienable liars claim to NOT SEE:

      - like BLOOD ……that suddenly becomes “chocolate” and “clearning fluid.


      – like “WE ALL GOT BORED AND WENT TO THE HOUSE” – which, ALE chose to NOT SEE, so that they could head over to ANY PLACE EXCEPT PAULUS’ HOUSE, FOR THEIR PHONEY “SEARCH”.

      – like “WE ARE LOOKING EVERYWHERE” – where they claimed to “see” every lead that was being given to them ( including those being “turned over” at the hands of Julia, whose phone number was on all those posters)..and whereby, somehow they just didn’t seem to SEE that THE SEARCH HEADED FOR LOOKING “EVERYWHERE” was somehow EXCLUDING: THE CAR THEY TOOK HER AWAY IN, AND THE HOUSE THEY ADMITTED GOING TO….but, somehow, they DIDN”T see that the big “search” did not INCLUDE these VERY TWO SIGNIFICANT AREAS.


      Somehow, the perversions become more diabolical, by the day…because they just “DIDN’T SEE”.

      They didn’t see her beautiful smile, that expressed a longing for life, and a hope to make a difference in this world.

      They didn’t see her precious eyes, that look towards the future with promise and determination.

      They didn’t see her kind and caring heart, that valued SERVICE to her community and a concern for those who struggled in life.

      They didn’t see her mother heart broken sorrow, her father’s pleas for help in finding his baby.


      It was always about THEM, their interests, their perversions, their self consumption with their greed and depravity to the exclusion of a little girl’s human rights and the torment she suffered at the hands of sociopaths that they ALLOWED to violate TWENTY OR MORE OTHER GIRLS BEFORE NATALEE, and then proceeded to allow Natalee and her family to be victimized and brutally treated over and over again.


    108. Carpe Noctem on July 7th, 2007 3:47 pm

      P.S. The reason why they will not close this case after

      2 years. Is because they REALIZE COMPLETELY that

      if they close it now,

      after all that has transpired and gone

      wrong, and there is not even as much as a trial

      of Paulus, Joran, Deepak, and Satish…

      They will have 4 new murders on the island to add to


      that they DO NOT bother keeping.

      1. Paulus Van der sloot

      2. Joran Van der sloot

      3. Deepak Kalpoe

      4. Satish Kalpoe


      You will see these guys fall like dominos, if

      the case is attempted to be swept entirely under

      the rug. All 4, toe tagged overnight.

      They would meet untimely, mysterious suicides.

    109. Maggie on July 7th, 2007 4:16 pm

      Dave’s Book page 22

      When Oduber arrived back to Aruba from Fort Lauderdale, he went to Holiday Inn to meet with Dave’s side. In the meeting room Oduber was speaking and Dave said,,

      Could I have the floor and can I ask three simple questions?
      The room got quiet and all eyes were on him.

      What is the legal age of gambling?


      What is the legal age of alcohol consumption?


      What is the legal age of driving?


      Oduber asked why Dave wanted to know. Dave said ” In my country, a judge interprets the law and renders justice based on the crime. He also has the responsibility to projcct and image to the public that would represent trust, honesty and integrity. Paulus Van Der Sloot’s son is only 17. How can a man training to be a judge sit at a poker table with his son and allow him to gamble, go to Carlos n Charlies and order drinks and even drive? What kind of image does that project on an average person in Aruba? Ordinary people are fined and sent to prison, but does it apply to Paulus Van Der Sloot and his son? Are they above the law?” Oduber’s remarks,, Noone here is above the law. Dave’s brother spoke up and told Oduber everything that had happened so far was a fiasco.

    110. Janet on July 7th, 2007 5:12 pm

      15. Does anyone remember the plane that made a mistake and landed at Aruba’s racetrack …
      Comment by Houston | July 6, 2007, 12:09 pm

      May 26, 2006
      ARUBA – An air-ambulance with a patient on board landed on the racetrack of Palo Marga on Tuesday afternoon around 14:30. The pilot accidentally confused the racetrack with the runway of the Aruban airport. Nobody was injured during the landing. The air-ambulance a Lear 35 had 2 pilots, a doctor, a nurse, the patient and his wife on board. It came from Orlando and was on his way to Brazil via Aruba for fuel. In the airspace around Aruba, the pilot lost radio contact with the air traffic control of Aruba. The pilot mistakenly saw the racetrack of Palo Marga for the airport of Aruba. After a tentative investigation, the aircraft could take off again in order to refuel at the airport. THE PUBLIC PROSECUTOR IMPOSED A FINE ON THE PILOT FOR NEGLIGENCE DURING FLYING. With this landing, the pilot had endangered the traffic safety of the airspace.

    111. ben on July 7th, 2007 8:14 pm

      Brie ,i was posting here long before i ever saw your name on here.when you ask some one a question as i did 99, and they get defensive as you did its a sure sighn your full of it.

    112. ben on July 7th, 2007 8:19 pm

      Brie ,,we all know people on that island know something, you talk like you know who and what it is .Your doing the samething shango did .If you know something tell us.

    113. Carpe Noctem on July 7th, 2007 10:55 pm

      Julia Ren-hooker

      from Gang-raper’s Island de Van der sloot

      Memorable quotes

      from one nasty treasonous bit^%


    114. disgustedmom on July 7th, 2007 11:06 pm

      Aw, ben….what are you so afraid of?

    115. Brie on July 7th, 2007 11:10 pm

      #111..112…you sound worried. Got something to hide! Hit a nerve, did we? Feeling guilty!

      You don’t know how to comprehend what you read! Paranoid!

    116. yoyo muffintop on July 8th, 2007 12:10 am

      #107 – Huh? Have another martini – I am not out to “create a legacy”. Are you insane? I am posting on a discussion board. A little back and forth with maggie/kata/carpe et al. That’s it.
      What’s your deal? Good Lord, do you actually read what you post?

    117. Brie on July 8th, 2007 1:46 am

      #107….your one of those that need everything spelled out…..remove box before placing in oven!

    118. Patti on July 8th, 2007 7:46 am

      Hey, Yo Yo!

      Long time no see.

      I agree with your post at #52. Even Natalee’s parents
      have stated that Natalee wasn’t perfect. None of us are.
      But this is not about finger pointing, it’s about justice
      for a girl that went to a foreign country in celebration
      of her high school graduation and went missing. She has
      paid for her mistakes but those that are responsible for
      her demise have not. Aruba has defended these people
      over the innocent acts of a child, a teenager. They have
      covered over the wrongdoing of a prominent judge and his
      son; not because they were right or justified to take
      advantage of the weak, but because of power, money and
      the secrets that come with running illegal operations.

      The island of Aruba is corrupt and that corruption snags
      alot of victims. Natalee was only one, but she has come
      to personify all the victims of Aruba, young and old, that
      get robbed of justice, everyday, in a system of the haves
      and the have nots.

      I support the boycott of Aruba in the same spirit as I
      support the hundreds of women and children that go missing
      in Aruba from the surrounding countries. I support the
      boycott with the same despise as I have for the countless
      women that are victimized by human trafficking on the small
      island of Aruba. Only 100,000 people, they say, and no

      Boycott Aruba

    119. disgustedmom on July 8th, 2007 10:13 am

      #115, EXACTLY Brie! Joran and his daddy went to so much trouble to find out what everyone else knew so they could lie around it, they live in fear they didn’t cover all their angles. Fishing you hoping you’ll tell them something they don’t know so they can fix it before it fixes them…haha!

    120. disgustedmom on July 8th, 2007 10:23 am

      #116, yoyo….you’re not out to create a legacy? That’s a laugh and a half! Especially considering the denial of the word ‘create’. What do you think that means, yo?

      Pearl, I thought your post #107 was touching, heart-wrenchingly true and right on! Even yoyo got a little soft because of it and had to turn a deaf ear to it so he could ‘boy up’. Keep up the good work!

    121. yoyo muffintop on July 8th, 2007 1:30 pm

      #119 – I guess I am a boy since I have no clue as to what the first paragraph says in your post. Help me out with those last 2 sentences in that paragraph. This boy thinks it makes no sense – use your adult powers to re-write it or explain.

    122. ben on July 8th, 2007 2:27 pm

      you got me brie my real name is joran vander sloot iwas using the name ben so i could find out who knows what.lol brie get real,,,,,,ben

    123. ben on July 8th, 2007 2:33 pm

      its really sad when some people on here see the sloots in every other post on here.brie,disgustedmom,yeah i mean you.i never heard of aruba until natalee went missing.

      SM: Actually its really sad when an island think they can go on business as usual and cover up a crime while others try and blame a family of a missing person for the actual disappearance. When other feel the need to run cover and get paid to do so. That’s SAD.

      Lets get some priorities and perspective.


    124. Waterboy (Jerry) on July 8th, 2007 5:06 pm


      I wish I had caught you sooner. I don’t know how often you read the post, but I’ve wanted to ask you some questions.

      First, did you go with a group to the hospital to search for Natalee? What day did you go if you did? If you did go or know, how did the hospital staff act? Did anything or anyone seem out of the ordinary, or suspicious?

      Last, I have become convinced that Natalee’s body is in the landfill. I would like to hear your opinion on this issue. I hope you read this post and will comment. I know you are busy.


    125. ben on July 8th, 2007 5:49 pm

      sm ,,,,,i agree completely

    126. Maggie on July 8th, 2007 6:27 pm

      Remember this big lie from yours truly? December 20, 2005. They had to come talk to the students in the USA again, so they could make a plan to re-interrogate the suspects.. still waiting Arlene..when are they bringing the suspects in? btw did you tell them you were related to Guido also? Steve Cohen told this big line too. They told Bacchus and others in the USA in order to question the brothers and Joran again, they would need to question the students first? What a lie..and they are working on the interrogation plan? Bozos..

      (SCHIPPER: Absolutely. That is one of the current activities of the police and of the planned objectives of the police. We gave an expose to the congressman(Bacchus) on the current and planned actions. And one of those actions are interviewing friends, interviewing witnesses, re-interviewing witnesses. It’s all already happening and going on.)


      Well, I spoke with the prosecutors and the police investigators. And they surely plan to re-interrogate these boys again; however, what their objective is, is to make a plan of interrogation. And to do so, they need some more information about what happened the hours before. And that’s the objective why they want to interview, re-interview also the (INAUDIBLE) students.

      COSBY: When do you think they’re going to interview those students?

      What sort of time line are you looking at, Arlene?

      SCHIPPER: Well, that is an (INAUDIBLE) procedure request that they’ve made, already more than a month ago. And basically, it is a request that the FBI has to fulfill.

      We spoke to the FBI. And they promised us to look where the-where that request at this moment is, because it’s a really difficult request. It has to go to the State Department. And they promised us, as did Congressman Bachus, to speed it up.

      COSBY: Now, you said that, OK, after that, they do intend for sure to bring back in the brothers and also Joran Van Der Sloot?

      SCHIPPER: Absolutely. It’s one of the-bring in for interrogation. It’s one of their objectives. And they’re working on an interrogation plan, but, you know, as our laws, our procedural laws differs a little bit, that influences the investigative methods that we can use here.

      So they have to carefully go about it. And to zoom in, as we call it, back on these suspects, they need to carefully do that and strategically do that.

      COSBY: What about some of the suspects’ friends?

      SCHIPPER: Absolutely. That is one of the current activities of the police and of the planned objectives of the police. We gave an expose to the congressman on the current and planned actions. And one of those actions are interviewing friends, interviewing witnesses, re-interviewing witnesses. It’s all already happening and going on.

      COSBY: Arlene, when could we see-as we were looking at a picture of Deepak, and Satish, and Joran a second ago-when could we see them called in again? How soon?

      SCHIPPER: Well, that is something that I cannot comment on, because that is what we call tactical information, because, as I said, they need to carefully zoom in on them. They need to work on their plan of investigation, on interrogation, because, given the information that they’ve get of the re-interviews of the witnesses (INAUDIBLE) students, as well as the friends, they’re going to-they have to have to reestablish, for instance, the relationship between Joran, if there was a relationship between Joran and Natalee, how the events unfolded that night, et cetera, et cetera.

      So based that, they will move in on a technical way how and when they will interrogate these boys again.


    127. disgustedmom on July 8th, 2007 7:00 pm

      yoyo #121…ummm…there’s only 1 paragraph in my post #119 so there is no ‘first’…. Only an only.

      PS don’t insult boys…they’re not all stupid like Joran who can’t even make up his own lies but has to steal the idea for them from someone else.

    128. dennisintn on July 8th, 2007 8:45 pm

      #l23, natalee isn’t the first missing person they’ve tried this on and it worked then. max devries is now being touted as an insurance scam by his mother and they’re supposed to be living in luxury in s.a. it’s a total crock of horse apples but they seem to be getting away with it. why should they think they can’t do it again?

    129. Brie on July 8th, 2007 11:27 pm


    130. Brie on July 8th, 2007 11:28 pm

      Let’s not feed the troll moles!

    131. juan on July 9th, 2007 1:55 am

      The whole Earth has tilted on its axis again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    132. ben on July 9th, 2007 5:53 am

      i agree totally brie,yours truly joran

    133. ben on July 9th, 2007 5:57 am

      They will not close this case,they figure there will be more trouble if you close it and charge no one.

    134. Richard on July 9th, 2007 4:10 pm

      Don’t you think that the alleged (and nobody with a brain would believe any of this BS for one second) remarks by Natalee about her mother being related to Hitler and the Kalpoes being Joran’s slaves are directed at the Kalpoes,
      and at the other Aruban people of mixed ancestry?

      It’s a preposterous attempt to stir up racist attitudes against the American tourists who “lord it over” the locals.
      (Actually, the real “overlords” are the Dutch, but the Arubans aren’t thinking about that.)

    135. Patti on July 11th, 2007 1:53 am

      Right on Richard!

      AND it started from day one. The one that thought of
      spreading the propaganda wasn’t a half-wit high school
      student, like Joran, it was a man that knew that Congress
      was debating a bill about lynching. By spreading these
      lies the genious, that I choose to believe was Mr. Van der
      Sloot, did a lot to split the support for an American girl
      along color lines. Even today, with all that we know of
      the corruption and lies that have been hurled at the
      Holloway and Twitty’s, we still hear from time to time
      that this is a race issue. How convenient for the Van
      der Sloots to have consciencous Americans tricked into
      looking the other way while failing to ask themselves
      how a country like Holland that has been know all through
      history for having colonies in India, South Africa as well
      as in the Dutch Antilles are doing to further the plight
      of the black man.

      I have been to Aruba and I can, honestly say that the
      black citizens of Aruba are treated as second class
      citizens. Having sub-standard public schools, while the
      prominent Dutch attend well-funded private schools. The
      people of color from neighboring countries are brought
      to Aruba to work menial jobs on temporary work permits,
      rarely, able to remain in the country that they are helping
      to build. Remember, too, that the apartaid that was fought
      over numerous years, costing the lives of thousands to
      black brothers was not raged against American, but against
      the Dutch themselves.

      The interjection of race into the death of Natalee Holloway
      was nothing more that to generate hate directed by a wise,
      but sick man, to inject hatred and strive into a case that
      was, simply, about a young girl that was kidnapped, raped
      and murdered by the son of a prominent polititian.

      The Kalpoes, in thier spineless attempt to please the man
      that had the power of deportation in his hand, is the real
      indication of racism and the truth is lost in the fear that
      comes from being powerless people caught up in a corrupt

      I pray for the deliverance of the people of Aruba as much
      as I pray for the return of Natalee Holloway and Justice
      against her perpetrators… all of them, the weak and the

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