Oduber:The Aruban government has a duty to combat socially exclusion due to discrimination

 

According to Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, the Aruban government has a duty to combat social discrimination as he spoke with members of the COC and the  National Bureau for Combating Race-discrimination in the Netherlands.

PM Oduber, you may want to start with the situation where  two black security guards   were arrested initially in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. Their arrest and search of their homes was quite different that that of Joran Van der Sloot.  Discrimination refers to many, not just homosexuals.

ORANJESTAD – The government has a duty to combat socially exclusion due to discrimination, indicated Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) during a conversation with representatives of COC , the Dutch association for homosexuals.   The cabinet will also be positive with her plans to make homosexuality debatable amongst the population.    

According to Van Dalen, the image that the social climate in Aruba is one that suppresses and ignores is correct.   “That’s different than tolerate and accept.”   He says that a few matters need preference: relief for persons that are being excluded by their family or social environment due to their nature; take actions to break the taboo; and make sure there is information available.  

Exclusion due to combating discrimination, Amigoe June 14, 2007

Satisfied faces after the conversation with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.   From left to right: Pascal Maas and Frank van Dalen of the COC and Hubert Fermina of the National Bureau for Combating Race-discrimination in the Netherlands .

ORANJESTAD – The government has a duty to combat socially exclusion due to discrimination, indicated Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) during a conversation with representatives of COC , the Dutch association for homosexuals.   The cabinet will also be positive with her plans to make homosexuality debatable amongst the population.    

The COC says that the conversation with the premier was open and constructive and it lasted for over an hour.   During that conversation, the premier indicated that the government is for the entire population and that it is her duty to support the minorities in order to take full part in the society.   “Everybody has the right to be him/herself.”    

At the end of the conversation, Frank van Dalen and Pascal van der Maas, respectively chairman and director of the Dutch organization,   said that they are pleased with the premier’s promise, and that they will remind him of his promise.

Van Dalen returns to Aruba in August to evaluate what was realized in the two month he has been in the Netherlands .    

The local foundation ALFA will soon come up with a plan to improve the position of the homosexual Aruban citizens and to make homosexuality debatable on the island.   If necessary, the COC will help ALFA with this plan.  

After the conversation with Oduber, Van Dalen said that he will be here mainly to see and hear what the needs are.   “That didn’t happen just like that.   We have experienced the problems the people from Aruba and the Antilles had to endure with the acceptance of their homosexuality or by not being accepted by their environment.”    

According to Van Dalen, the image that the social climate in Aruba is one that suppresses and ignores is correct.   “That’s different than tolerate and accept.”   He says that a few matters need preference: relief for persons that are being excluded by their family or social environment due to their nature; take actions to break the taboo; and make sure there is information available.  

Van Dalen hopes that next time he is in Aruba , he can make definite arrangements with Education-minister Marisol Tromp (MEP).   “It is clear that homosexuality is still a taboo here, with the consequence that people cannot be themselves and have to lead a secret existence.    

 

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    38 Responses to “Oduber:The Aruban government has a duty to combat socially exclusion due to discrimination”

    1. Carpe Noctem on June 14th, 2007 11:31 am

      Maybe Nelson O’dirtbag went gay

      after his son raped the Oduber Family maid?

      I hear pressure can make people do strange things!!!

      …like letting the brutal gang-raping serial lying

      Van der sloot / Kalpoe Natalee Holloway Murderers go

      free to stalk the island of Aruba indefinitely, for

      instance.

      http://tinyurl.com/yr2776

      -j4n

    2. Richard on June 14th, 2007 12:24 pm

      Is Oduber trying to distinguish himself on this matter from Rudy Croes? Maybe he thinks Aruba’s future lies in catering to gay tourists?

      Frankly, I think Aruba has bigger problems to handle. In case they’re forgetting about those matters, a reminder is going to be meeting them in New Orleans very soon ….

    3. Pearl on June 14th, 2007 12:58 pm

      Hey, Odubie:

      Did Natalee Holloway, a young woman, deserve an honest and thorough “investigation” or was it the fact that she was an American citizen, that the roaming murdering terrorists were sanctioned in their contemptuous acts of targetting her, followed by no investigation into WHAT HAPPENED TO HER, and WHAT is being done to find her, and WHERE SHE IS NOW?

      IS THE “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” DISCRIMINATION PLAN, THAT WAS SANCTIONED AND USED AGAINST A FEMALE AMERICAN CHILD TOURIST – STILL IN EFFECT, ODUBIE?

      HOW ABOUT THE “THIS WILL BLOW OVER IN TWO WEEKS” SPECIAL PLAN FOR YOUNG AMERICAN FEMALE TOURISTS?

      Discrimination seems rampant, Odubie.

      NO JUSTICE, NO TOURISTS.

      How about CONTAINING THE CRIMINALS FOR STARTERS, ODUBIE, AND NOT THE VICTIMS?

      Would that be a good first step in this effort to END Discrimination against your female kidnap/gang raped/murdered victims of the roaming predators in Aruba, whose criminal acts were sanctioned by your polis force with their claims of “all their statements are ‘consistent’, and the infamous remarks of Janssen on June 4th of: “We still do not have the “GOLDEN TIP” yet?

      STILL NO “GOLDEN TIP”, ODUBIE?

      How about:

      1. Holiday inn employees: WE NEVER SAW HER COME INTO THE LOBBY.

      2. Holiday inn employees: OUR GUARDS DO NOT “DRESS” IN ANY SUCH UNIFORMS AS DESCRIBED BY YOUR “WITNESSES” IN THEIR MAY 31, 2005 STATEMENTS.

      3. Holiday Inn Security guard: I never saw any sign of her.

      4. Holiday Inn Security Tapes: NO SUCH GUARD EXISTS ON THE TAPES AS DESCRIBED ON 5/31/05 – NOR IS THERE ANY SUCH SIGN OF NATALEE.

      AND THEN JANSSEN: JUNE 4 – “WE STILL DO NOT HAVE THE GOLDEN TIP YET”.

      What does your ALE need, Odubie?
      What does your prosecutor need, Odubie to ACT WITH INTEGRITY?

      DO YOU SPEAK “INTEGRITY”, ODUBIE?

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY.

      END THE UNJUST, UNLAWFUL CONTAINMENT OF NATALEE, THE VICTIM.

      BEGIN THE CONTAINMENT OF THE CRIMINALS WHO DRUGGED HER, KIDNAPPED HER, GANG RAPED HER AND MURDERED HER.

      Otherwise: YOUR SPEECHES WILL CONTINUE TO “BLOW OVER” IN THE USA, UNTIL NATALEE’S TRUTH IS SPOKEN AND HER RIGHT TO JUSTICE IS SERVED.

    4. Miss-Underestimated on June 14th, 2007 1:00 pm

      Perfuming the pig in a politically correct way.

      Since when has Oddudders cared about the rights of anyone. He is trying to portray his island as a righteous and concerned place.

      Put you money where you hands are Oddudders: start by showing how much you care about humanity and return Natalee Holloway to her family and prosecute those who are responsible for her demise.

      You are sorry worried about social discrimination? How about how you discriminated against the Hollways and Twittys and Natalee Holloway.

    5. Pearl on June 14th, 2007 1:29 pm

      “STILL NO GOLDEN TIP, YET”.
      K. Janssen, June 4. 2005

      Still no golden tip yet, Aruba?

      How about:

      1. May 31, 2005: Satish Kalpoe

      ‘We all agreed to go to THE HOUSE.”

      GOLDEN TIP: THE HOUSE, but YOU CHOSE NOT TO SEARCH THERE.

      2. June 1, 2005 Jacobs to Dave Holloway

      ‘All their statements are consistent.’ ( J2K statements taken 5/30 / 5/31).

      May 31: Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak kalpoe

      “We dropped her off right in front of the HOTEL LOBBY ENTRANCE, where she was approached by a ‘dark skinned’ man.”

      GOLDEN TIP: By May 31, 2005, Holiday Inn employees told you immediately that NO SUCH DROP OFF WAS RECORDED ON ANY SECURITY TAPES.

      GOLDEN TIP: By May 31, 2005, Holiday Inn employees told you immediately that NO SUCH DROP OFF WAS SEEN BY THE NIGHT SECURITY GUARD ON DUTY.

      GOLDEN TIP: By May 31, 2005, Holiday Inn desk clerk told you immediately, NATALEE WAS NEVER SEEN ENTERING THE LOBBY AS CLAIMED BY YOUR 3 LIARS.

      BUT YOU CHOSE TO IGNORE THE “GOLDEN TIPS”, AND INSTEAD,ALLOWS LIES TO BE TOLD TO THE PUBLIC, TELLING THEM THAT “ALL THE STATEMENTS WERE CONSISTENT”.

      Where is the accountability, Odubie?
      Where is the integrity?

      JUNE 5: ARuban contingency tells our Sec. Rice that “GREAT PROGRESS” is being made.

      Apparently, they forgot to tell Sec. Rice that the “GREAT PROGRESS” included the DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES OF DENYING A FEMALE VICTIM, An AMERICAN CHILD, a JUST INVESTIGATION.

      Apparently, they forgot to tell Sec. Rice that the “GREAT PROGRESS” also included the DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES OF FALSELY ACCUSING TWO INNOCENT BLACK MEN OF CRIMES THAT HE ALE KNEW THEY COULD NOT HAVE COMMMITTED BECAUSE OF ALL THE “GOLDEN TIPS” BEING IGNORED CONCERNING HOLIDAY INN EVIDENCE AND STATEMNTS THAT NO DROP OFF EVER HAPPENED, AND NO SUCH “DARK SKINNED” GUARD EVER EVEN EXISTED!

      STOP THE EMPTY SPEECHES, ARUBA!

      CONTAIN YOUR MURDERING RAPISTS, CRIMINALS.

      RELEASE THE VICTIM, NATALEE HOLLOWAY FROM THE BARBARIC CONTIAINMENT THAT DENYS HER ANY FREEDOM TO COME HOME.

      COMTAINMENT OF CRIMINALS, NOT THE VICTIM!!!!

      CONTAIN THE MURDERERS, NOT THE VICTIM!
      CONTAIN THE RAPISTS, NOT THE VICTIM!
      CONTAIN THE KIDNAPPERS, NOT THE VICTIM!
      CONTAIN ALL THE DISHONEST CO-CONSPIRATORS, FOR WHOM “DISCRIMINATION” IS AS EASY AS “NO CORPSE, NO CASE”.

    6. JusticeforNatalee on June 14th, 2007 1:49 pm

      More translations posted by Johanna at BFN

      I brought them over to the inside SM forum.
      Scroll down a bit.

      Note Deepak’s “glowing” remarks about Joran.
      http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1212&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=320

    7. JusticeforNatalee on June 14th, 2007 2:04 pm

      Deepak’s words:

      “I can give you a list of the problems that Joran has.
      He himself has said he had stolen money from his mother. He also says
      that if his brothers go into his room he beats them. Joran has
      completely beaten up a guy at Bahia, because according to him the guy had told
      something about him to the headmaster that was not true.
      Joran has destroyed more car front windows then any drug dealer on the
      island. Sometimes when we are out he says: Lets go! If we ask him what
      is going on he says he has smashed in a front window of a car. He also
      has admitted that he has stolen property from tourists several times.
      He goes to the casino’s since he was 16. Everywhere where he sees a fire
      alarm he has to put it on. He has performed a lot of vandalism in
      several hotels. That is what I know about Joran since I know him. By now I
      also know he is a super liar.”

    8. LilPuma on June 14th, 2007 2:10 pm

      Didn’t a Holland court recently rule that Aruba had to acknowledge gay marriages as legitimate?

      While I have no faith in Oduber’s sincerity, I hope his rhetoric is combined with follow-up action that will prevent the Dutch on the island, with money and friends in authority of any capacity, from raping or drugging locals or tourists while victims or witnesses are intimidated or otherwise told to go home and shut up.

    9. Richard on June 14th, 2007 3:35 pm

      Re-reading those comments that Justice for Natalee brought over brings to mind something I was wondering about earlier:

      Can we imagine that Joran’s own parents are afraid of him?

      After all, they’ve seen what he can do … what he HAS DONE … in matters where the police never before seem to have gotten involved. Lies, drinking (drugs?), violence, gambling … all these are associated with Joran vdS.

      On an earlier thread, I posted a story about an American family who knew that one of their family members was holding a woman captive but was too scared of what he might do to them to speak up. I know a similar case in Japan.

      They are so contrary to basic reality in their words about the “dear little sporter” that I’m wondering if this could account for something.

    10. JusticeforNatalee on June 14th, 2007 4:28 pm

      Dutch Team:

      Have you questioned van der Straaten about his offer to Joran of
      mental institution vs. prison? Hello!

      Page 156, June 13 informal talk with Jan van der Straaten.

      “Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help you. [i]I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental institution. You only will have to tell the truth. [/i] “

    11. Richard on June 14th, 2007 7:43 pm

      Well, he’s seen the evidence and we haven’t … or so he said. Joran’s natural habitat might well be a mental institution … but one wonders if he’s making this up?

    12. Brie on June 14th, 2007 8:05 pm

      Well, so far Joran is not in a mental institution nor he is in prison.

      That guy has really got some serious issues. He killed the family pet, beats up his brothers,etc, and yet he is still out and about in society. What gives?????

      Hey Joran, where is Amy Bradley? Did she get off the cruise ship in Aruba and go with the workers she met on the ship to Carlos n Charlie’ for a drink?

      I guess you’ve got connections of the worse kind everywhere! everywhere.

      I think Joran knows and associates with some really bad people. He likes crime and enjoys the workings of the criminal mind.

    13. Maggie on June 14th, 2007 10:01 pm

      There’s not a doubt in my mind Natalee lost her life on May 31st, 2005 and there’s not a doubt in my mind the ones responsible. I don’t even like saying his name.. He thrives on publicity.. I think this was a case of stalking, drugs and rape. Guys only go out at bars at closing time to pick up intoxicated girls for one reason. Imagine why creeps do it! I guess they can’t get a decent girl any other way.

    14. Brie on June 14th, 2007 10:12 pm

      Apparently Beth was present when Joran made the statement that he had sex with Natalee at his house. But as we know it, Joran lies, a statement from Joran doesn’t mean he is telling the truth. But Beth does a copy of this. However, nothing has been done about it.

    15. Brie on June 14th, 2007 10:15 pm

      Have the read the post #250, on previous pages, under Dana Pretzler June the 8th. There is a mind game there and someone thinks they have the answers. This person wants to know what our conclusions are. They have just recently posted.

    16. Observer on June 14th, 2007 11:29 pm

      Quotes from Joran’s Book
      Hat tip Johanna@BFN

      Deepak Kalpoe: If I knew I had the devil as a friend then I would not have let this happen

      Page 156, June 13 informal talk with Jan van der Straaten.

      “Jan van der Straaten, head commissar of the police, talked to me after lunch around 1 pm, informally at the police station in Oranjestad. He said: Joran, I have known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental institution. You only will have to tell the truth. ”

      Freddy:I also told that Joran, Deepak, Satish and me had talked about it that I would buy new shoes for Joran.

    17. Carpe Noctem on June 15th, 2007 1:21 am

      Hey,

      That was really heartwarming about the shoes, Frederick!

      I think I teared up for a brief moment…

      No scratch that.

      I was thinking of Joran’s gigant-o-pithicus hiney load

      of a mother (Anita) with that gosh awful tacky see through

      knocker holder!!!

      -j4n “Justice for Natalee”

      http://tinyurl.com/2m9ps6

      http://tinyurl.com/3a73vs

    18. Richard on June 15th, 2007 5:56 am

      Brie (#12) … At least we know that Joran wasn’t responsible for Amy Bradley’s disappearance. The family did get off the vessel, rent a vehicle, and toured the interior of Aruba (they were not favorably impressed), but none of them was ever alone on Aruba for a moment.

      And neither Amy nor any of them ever went to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies. Amy refused to go there with the members of the crew who invited her to.

      But some very weird people did board the ship at Aruba.

      Amy vanished from the ship the next morning, as it was docked at Curacao.

      All this I have from Mrs. Bradley herself.

    19. Richard on June 15th, 2007 7:51 am

      By the way, I am aware that in REAL life, people who go missing aren’t confined and held captive for long periods.

      It’s all an urban myth, just like sex slavery and human trafficking. And like that Austrian girl Natasha (forgot her last name) and Elizabeth Smart.

      So this story won’t be of interest to anyone:

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-13-found-girl_N.htm?csp=34

      Conn. girl missing for a year visits siblings
      |

      By Marisol Bello, USA TODAY
      The 15-year-old Connecticut girl who was missing for a year, then found last week hidden in a crawl space under the stairs of a trash-filled house, is gradually reuniting with her family as she recovers in a hospital.

      She met Wednesday with her 17-year-old brother for the first time since she was found and is expected to see her two younger brothers next.

      “We started with her mom last week and that went well, then the dad and that went well, and now the siblings,” said the family’s attorney, Marc Needelman. “If that goes well, then she’ll see her grandparents. It’s a step at a time.”

      Last week, West Hartford police charged Adam Gault, 41, his common-law wife, Ann Murphy, 40, and Kimberly Cray, 26, who also lived in their home, with unlawfully restraining the girl. The three also were charged with reckless endangerment and interfering with the police investigation of the missing teen.

      Police are still investigating whether the girl was sexually abused. USA TODAY does not name people who may have been victims of sex crimes.

      Police in West Hartford and Bloomfield, the girl’s hometown, say more charges are likely in the teen’s disappearance. Police are working with the FBI, following dozens of leads that Gault may have had sex with other teenage girls across the state and may have videotaped some incidents.

      Attorneys for Murphy and Cray say the girl was free to leave the home at any time. They say the defendants were providing her a safe haven because she was sexually and physically abused at home. Her parents, through their lawyer, have denied the accusation.

      The girl had run away from her parents’ home at least once. She and Gault, a dog trainer who did business with the girl’s stepfather, filed abuse complaints with the state child welfare agency and the Bloomfield police before she disappeared last June. Gault’s West Hartford home is about 10 miles from Bloomfield.

      Police said there is no evidence to substantiate those claims. Bloomfield Police Capt. Jeffrey Blatter called the reports a “self-serving” move by Gault and said the girl was not in Gault’s home voluntarily.

      Meanwhile, the girl continues to adjust to normal routines, Needelman said. She remains in an undisclosed hospital, where her parents say she will receive the psychological treatment she needs. She is attending classes, but not in a traditional school setting, he said.

      He said no one yet has a complete picture of what happened to the girl in the last year. He said police have talked with her only briefly, and that further interviews will depend on her recovery.

      Professionals who work with kidnapped children who are returned to their families say the early days in the reunification are crucial. They say the girl’s family and her counselors have to give her a sense of security and comfort and not overwhelm her with questions about her captivity. They say as she slowly regains trust in her family, she will feel more comfortable talking about her experience.

      “You have no idea what she’s been through,” said Juliet Francis, a Washington, D.C., psychologist who works with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to treat children who have undergone similar traumas. “The biggest thing now is patience.”

      Nancy Sabin, executive director of the Jacob Wetterling Foundation in Minnesota, who has worked with kidnapped children and their families, including Elizabeth Smart, said children quickly learn how to survive in captivity and face even more stress when reunited with their families.
      “People naively believe that once the child is back, it’s all fine, but that’s when the hard work begins,” Sabin said. “The rules aren’t so clear for the child. Who do you trust, who do you not? Everything is very confusing.”

    20. Pearl on June 15th, 2007 9:28 am

      In Aruba, discrimination is as easy as “no corpse, no case”.

      RELEASE THE VICTIM, NATALEE HOLLOWAY, FROM THE BARBARIC CONTAINMENT THAT DENIES HER THE FREEDOM TO COME HOME!

      CONTAIN THE MURDERERS, ARUBA, NOT THE VICTIM!

      CONTAIN THE RAPISTS, ARUBA, NOT THE VICTIM!

      CONTAIN THE KIDNAPPERS, ARUBA, NOT THE VICTIM!

      CONTAIN THE LIAR-CRIMINALS, WHO DESECRATE A CHILD’S BODY, AND SMUGLY CHIRP THEIR CRIMINAL SENTIMENTS: “No Corpse, NO CASE”.

      CONTAIN THE CO-CONSPIRATORS WHO LIE TO A GRIEVING FAMILY CONCERNING THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALEE AND THEN COLLABORATED IN THE CONSPIRACY TO DENY HER FAMILY ANY JUSTICE, NOR THE RETURN OF NATALEE’S BODY TO HER FAMILY, SO SHE COULD BE DIGNIFIED WITH A BURIAL.

      END THE BARBARIC, INHUMANE, DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES AGAINST FEMALE, AMERICAN TOURISTS, ARUBA!

      PUT YOUR SPEECHES INTO ACTION: JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
      CONTAINMENT FOR THE LYING, RAPIST, KIDNAPPERS AND MURDERERS!

      FREE NATALEE, HONOR HER HUMAN RIGHTS, AND ALLOW HER FAMILY TO DIGNIFY HER WITH A PROPER BURIAL.

      END THE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, ARUBA!

      END THE BARBARIC CRUELTY INFLICTED UPON LITTLE, DEFENSELESS YOUNG GIRLS!!!

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLWOAY!

    21. Brie on June 15th, 2007 9:49 am

      Richard: There is always hope for the missing, otherwise, we
      would automatically assume they are dead. And, of course, those that are quilty of abduction would like us to believe death prevails.

      Alot of hard work ahead for the child from Connecticut. Many prayers for her and her family. I guess it’s human nature to want to survive, even in the worst possible conditions. God Bless Her.

      I didn’t know Amy remained with her parents in Aruba. The weird people that boarded the ship were probably waiting for her on the island with the crew members.

    22. Richard on June 15th, 2007 12:44 pm

      Could well be. But she was never on Aruba alone, according to her family, and they never went to C&Cs.

      Incidentally, just yesterday Mrs. Bradley and I were talking, and she sent me the link to a site that I had seen some years back, but had largely forgotten about.

      The site has comments by someone on the ship who Royal Caribbean had retained to do a promotional video for advertising purposes. He happened to be filming in the disco while Amy was dancing there with a crew member who is the chief suspect, as he is the last person known to be seen with her (sounds much like J2K, right?).

      Very interesting, I find it, that after Amy went missing, Royal Caribbean demanded that the guy hand over the master tape with the picture of Amy on it. He told them where to go.

      The Royal Caribbean chief of security then said that the FBI wanted to see it. He replied that if the FBI wanted to see it, he would hand it over himself.

      Remember the case of George Smith, the man who vanished from a Royal Caribbean ship in the Mediterranean while on his honeymoon? Remember that the cleaners were out in the early morning hours, scrubbing off from an awning below George’s cabin what certainly was the bloody impression from his body, thrown overboard?

      And remember that a passenger happened to be going by, and took a photo … or else there would have been no evidence of anything?

      Sounds like Royal Caribbean is consistent in its methods.

    23. Vicki on June 15th, 2007 12:50 pm

      Richard, I pray with all of my heart that Natalee is still alive. No matter what…its not my call to pray this, but I do anyway. She seems like a fighter and a strong person, so if she is alive Im sure she will find a way to get away. There are so many ppl that are hurting because a loved one is missing.Natalee was chosen to bring aruba to its knees and expose all the corrupt evil and vile things going on there.IMO….Where ever she is I feel she knows that we all love her and wont stop until there is JUSTICE for her.

    24. Brie on June 15th, 2007 1:24 pm

      Does anyone have a list of the suspects in order of their arrest. Trying to figure out the answers from post #250 Dana Pretzer June 8th on previous pages. Thanks

    25. Brie on June 15th, 2007 3:46 pm

      Crime, crime and more crime. Guns, drugs, abductions, murderers, corruption. Growing up in this generation has got to be very difficult, so many more things to be exposed too. Some get caught up in the evil, others become victim’s. As parents we need to do more to protect our children and punish the criminals, no parole, no second chance, your out of society and you’ll stay put!

    26. boywonder on June 15th, 2007 4:01 pm

      Maybe this new attitude about homosexuals has something to do with Joran’s “friend” Guido?? Perhaps Guidos parents realized how someone with Jorans malignant character could so easily entrap their son in his charade and leave a stain on his life forever…just because he was bullied for being gay….maybe Guido wants to tell the truth

    27. Brie on June 15th, 2007 4:22 pm

      Aruba is not only feeling the effects of the boycott, they’ve got all the immigrants to deal with(30,000) from South
      America and the Carribean Islands. Drugs are well known on the island with or without your asking, Carlos n Charlies owner, has other locations of business, he is exchanging workers from Aruba to Cancun and Cozumel and vice versa.

      The decent natives of Aruba don’t stand a chance. Well, I guess you won’t be saying, “Welcome to the neighborhood”. Better watch your children ever so closely, bar windows and doors, when robbed, give the money don’t try to be a hero,sleep with the lights on, learn self defense, or better yet, move!!!! Cause we the good are not coming!

    28. Carpe Noctem on June 15th, 2007 4:55 pm

      More fresh pictures today of tourists

      flocking in DROVES to the gang-raping,

      odoriferous poop ball float

      Island of death!

      ARUBA – eat cat dirt, b1tches.

      http://www.bucuticam.com/

      *** The tourists continue lovin’ it, I see.

      ….

      You RUBE-Uhhhhhh,

      My girl Natalee Holloway OWNS your

      3rd world, rock throwing a$$e$.

      Long live your Van der sloot

      Kalpoe serial stalkers. They

      are your HEAVY METAL

      ALBATROSSES. You wear ‘em well! -j4n

    29. Carpe Noctem on June 15th, 2007 5:19 pm

      Oh yeah, one more thing…

      I have been hearing that some of these

      Aruban crack heads that spout stupid

      chit all over the Internet Blogs… have been

      saying ROOB-UH is doing so well because they

      have recently built 4 hotels on BUTT LOAD ISLAND!!!!

      > GET A GRIPPER!

      > *YES GOMER PYLE, YOU BUILD THEM…

      BUT NOBODY FILLS THEM.

      You are making no sense.

      ******

      That makes as much sense as saying Deepak has

      been trying to modify his ride to make it

      go lots faster, so he had Satish go pick the

      ants out of it, and wax it up real nice!

      *******

      Even Joran THE RAPIST’S

      LOPSIDED SEE THROUGH

      BAZOON CANNON OF A MOTHER,

      Anita Van der sloot

      could not pull off a line of

      such utter bull-squizzle

      and COMPLETE STUPIDITY.

      *** ATTN: ALL ARUBANS

      Please lick your finger,

      and stick it in your ear!

      You deserve a “WET WILLY”… (very much)

      Thank you all, and always remember…

      F JORAN right in his ol’

      PEZ dispenser.

      -Justice 4 Natalee

    30. Brie on June 15th, 2007 5:37 pm

      I can see…the beaches are swarming…yup….have fun Joran, Kalpoes, but your last night on the island ,pimp gigging, for young women, looks like slim pickin’s. Actually next to none. Won’t the pimp club, what’s left of them, be disappointed in you. What happens when you can’t pay your dues?

      But then again, you hit the jackpot. Might have to spend a little travelin’ moula. Or maybe you get a little time off! Of course, that wouldn’t satisfy your perperator needs.

    31. Carpe Noctem on June 15th, 2007 5:38 pm
    32. Brie on June 15th, 2007 5:42 pm

      Carpe…right on!!!!!

    33. Brie on June 15th, 2007 6:12 pm

      Joran’s a ordin’ from the menu. You get chip for the tip!

    34. Brie on June 15th, 2007 6:31 pm

      Make sure you get thunder thighs, yo mama, 4 extra large and the works, 2 hoagies overload and double the bread. She’ll eat dinner later.

    35. SL-Gloria on June 15th, 2007 7:38 pm

      #24,

      The guards, Antonius John and Abraham Jones-June 5, 2005

      Joran, Deepak & Satish-June 9,2005

      Steve Croes-June 17, 2005

      Paulus-June 22, 2005

      Freddy Arambatzis, August 2006, when the Kalpoes were rearrested

      Geoffrey van Croimvoirt- April 15, 2006

      Guido Wever-May 17, 2006

    36. Brie on June 15th, 2007 8:36 pm

      #35…Thank You SL-Gloria

    37. dennisintn on June 17th, 2007 7:20 pm

      #9, we can only guess how much quieter and peaceful the vds home was after they moved jvds into the “apartment”. i think anita has inadvertently made a couple of comments about that but i can’t remember when i saw them. personally, i would have been more than willing to send his meals out to him just to keep him out of the house and away from his little brothers that much more.
      dennisintn

    38. minnesota dad on June 17th, 2007 11:26 pm

      My strong hunch is that the FBI and our CIA knew about Natalee’s fate that evening.

      One just has to Google the word, “Echelon” to get a flavor for how just about every e-mail, text message, cell phone call, and much, much more are intercepted and fed to some of the most powerful filtering computers in the world.

      I believe that Beth went to the island so fast because she was informed that something very serious had happened to her daughter. I believe that our spying folks know exactly what happened, however they can not divulge their information as it was obtained illegally by the laws of that country.

      I believe the reason there was FBI involvement ‘out of the gate’ was that they knew what had happened….had all the goods….knew they couldn’t divulge…but just had to play along with the Keystone Cops in Aruba as they clumsily tripped over themselves in order to cover up the crimes by Paulus Vand Der Sloot and his son.

      For Aruba to openly hide, destroy, and obfiscate evidence in order to cover-up for the elite is beyond evil. They have to know that we know….and it has to scare the wits out of them.

      Imagine our gov’t needing some cooperation in bringing down a local drug lord in Venezuala, Columbia, or Aruba. Just handing someone a transcript of what they said that night in 2005 would make them cooperate in a heartbeat. It must also make those same folks completely paranoid that at any minute…..something could leak that will forever trash the house of cards.

      Stay awake at night Odubar and others. You are being watched. Google “Echelon” for more info!

      md

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