Here’s an Article you will not find on the Caribbean at your Travel Agency
When people think of the Caribbean they think of white sandy beaches, warm blue water and rum. What they usually so not even consider is the following real problems that exist, drugs, money laundering, human trafficking and the latest, terrorism. The article, “Caribbean has greater dangers than radical Islam”, will certainly open one’s eyes.
“The main cross border concerns continue to be drug running, financial crime and people trafficking,” said Chris Zambelis, Caribbean expert at the Jamestown Foundation in Washington.
“We are dealing with small cells without a track record. This is not just a threat in the Caribbean, but part of a great decentralized effort, untraditional in nature,” said Stephen Sloan of the University of Central Florida. “In the Caribbean we find confusing linkages with organized crime.”
Several Caribbean Muslims said the alleged involvement of Jamaat Al Muslimeen showed radicalism was less likely among Muslims of Asian descent, by far the Islamic majority in the former British colonies of Guyana and Trinidad.
The United States has at times identified the Lebanese Muslim community on Venezuela’s Caribbean island of Margarita as a danger, saying funds were raised there for the Shi’ite Muslim Hezbollah group. (Yahoo News)
What a far different image than the brochures handed out by the tourism industry. Granted there is crime everywhere; however, there is usually never such a concerted effort to hide the dark underbelly. A subtle reminder to people, just because you are on vacation in a tropical paradise does not make it safe.
Posted June 7, 2007 by Scared Monkeys
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Does INTEGRITY have a face?
What does the voice of HONOR say to a family gripped with heart breaking sorrow over the brutal victimization of their precious child?
How do we measure TRUTH, in the case of an 18 year old child, stripped from the love of her family, savagely torn from the loving arms of her parents?
Natalee Holloway was seen being led into a car containing three men, following an evening with her high school friends at a local Aruban restaurant/night club.
Despite statements made directly by the men who took Natalee away, Aruban polis waited five days, and then arrested two innocent Black men, both of whom had solid alibis, while ignoring direct and conflicting statements from the three men concerning what they did to Natalee.
Statements made by Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe were ignored by polis and the prosecutor’s office, not only in the content of what was stated, but ignored against pressing evidence that indicated they were all lying about their involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
Statements made specifically mentioned that the three men, who had arrived at Carlos and Charlies’ nightclub shortly before closing, were all “bored” and that they had all agreed to go to “THE HOUSE”.
Rather than pursuing these three men eye witnessed as taking Natalee away in their car, the Aruban polis chose not to take a statement from Natalee’s mother who had gathered considerable evidence that proved the three men were lying to polis, polis chose not to take a statement from FBI agents who eye witnessed statements being made by two of the three suspects, and Aruban polis chose not to search the car nor THE HOUSE that the three suspects had agreed to go to, after which – Natalee was never seen again.
Statements from the night security guard at the Holiday Inn where Natalee had been staying, indicated that Natalee was never seen coming into the lobby entrance, as claimed by the three men, and clear indications from the Holiday Inn’s surveillance tapes that were reviewed by hotel employees indicated that so such drop off ever happened as repeatedly claimed by Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe.
Furthermore, tapes from the Holiday Inn hotel clearly indicated that no such “black security guard” ever existed as described in great specific detail by the three lying men who took Natalee away.
Despite repeated lies, conflicting statements, and changing versions of: ‘We dropped her off right in front of the lobby entrance of the Holiday Inn hotel’, Aruban polis proceeded to search the opposite end of the island from where the suspects last were seen taking Natalee into their car, and instead, placed focus in an area identified as San Nicholas, where the two innocent black men were arrested five days later in their homes.
The face of truth is not difficult to see, nor is contempt for justice difficult to discern.
Does INTEGRITY have a face?
What does the voice of HONOR say to a family gripped with beartbreaking sorrow?
How do we measure TRUTH, in the case of an 18 year old child, stripped from the love of her family, savagely torn from the loving arms of her parents?
Overland Park Police Chief John Douglass stated that after “thousands of hours of investigation” done in a matter of only four days, the body of 18 year old Kelsey Smith was found in Missouri.
Chief John Douglass stated:
“I want to again express my condolences to the Smith family,” Douglass said. “I realize that this is not the preferred conclusion. While we cannot give them their daughter back, we can at least give them justice.”
In the great state of Missouri, children are valued, monsters are arrested, and the good men and women who promise to DEFEND AND PROTECT can be taken at their honorable word to act with integrity and a passion for justice.
On the island of Aruba, Natalee Holloway continues to be held unlawfully by the predators who stole her life, destroyed all her hopes and dreams, crushing the hearts of everyone in her loving family, while Aruban polis officials proceeded to participate in the most horrific display of disrespect for a victim’s human life that was matched by the callous disregard for Natalee – the victim, and her human right to justice.
God bless Kelsey Smith, and God bless the men and women of honor, integrity and a passion for justice who returned this precious child’s body to her loving family.
Though it is not the outcome Kelsey’s family deserves, indeed they can count on the honor, integrity and passion for justice of the Missouri police and the USA’s FBI.
To this day – two years later, Natalee Holloway remains imprisoned on the island of Aruba, held captive by the predators who brutally stole away everything she ever hoped for and dreamed of.
The savages who ended her precious life walk about today with full unimpeded freedom, while Natalee’s family has been cast into the pit of hell, bearing the sorrow of never having Natalee’s remains returned to her family, never being able to honor Natalee with a dignified burial, nor to hear their precious child’s truth being spoken.
In the absence of truth, there can be no justice.
In the absence of honor and integrity, there is no hope for Aruba.
Two eighteen year old children, with hopes and dreams of becoming all that they were meant to be.
The difference? …. Chief John Douglass, a man of honor, integrity and a passion for truth and a child’s right to justice:
“I realize that this is not the preferred conclusion. While we cannot give them their daughter back, we can at least give them justice.”
A very wise person said it best…
Bring Natalee home!
Yes,we have to open our eyes and shut our wallets to areas that use our money,to hurt us.
Interesting article discussing the decentralized efforts, untraditional in nature. Untraditional of the islamic radicals in the Middle East, I presume? Anyway, so here’s an article about the Island of Margarita and its Hezbollah ties and the Muslim communities in the former British colonies of Guyana and Trinidad.
Yet, somehow it’s about Aruba.
Is this what we do now? Paint the entire territory with one brush? Well, if we do, then we mustn’t overlook the United States’ involvement. Lest we forget we also have territories in the Caribbean. How actively is the US Governemnt involved? Participating? Or, fighting? Anyone know?
Pearl, I really enjoyed reading the expression of your words. You’re a good writer. Your message is so deeply heart felt. I wish I could express myself as you do.
Everything on this board is turned around in order to bash Aruba/Netherlands/Caribbean.So juvenile.
Great #1 post by Pearl. Thats how I feel….and you said it very well Pearl. Great injustice has been done too by brother and Beth Twitty. Aruba knew the truth from the very start but started down a path to take us away from the truth to protect people involved in a crime. Do people from the states want to go to place like that? If they are informed the answer is NO.
sorry for the spelling
#1 – Exactly.
Crime of these sorts of course is everywhere, but specifically speaking about the Caribbean, a friend of mine went on a cruise years back and as soon as he and his female companion set foot on shore of the islands they were met by persistent drug dealers brazenly offering drugs for sale while cops were standing right beside the drug dealer -pretending of course to be looking the other way. Prostitution was also being offered. My friend thought as long as they didn’t take advantage of those illegal offerings they’d be OK, but my friend and his companion didn’t see anything wrong with taking some advice from some locals to go out on some party boat around the island. Even as they assumed the boat launch would be from some populated normalish place one would expect an up and aboveboard trip to spring from, the ride to the boat took them into nowhere land for over a half hour’s ride and they became afraid they might be being led away for some purpose of harming the females, but they were stuck on that ‘bus’ with no way to get back to the ship, so they had to continue the ride. At the end of the ride to the party boat they were forced off the ‘bus’ as it then hauled arse away leaving them standing there even thought the party boat had not yet arrived. My friend tried to stay on the bus/get back on the bus and return with it instead of going on the party boat, but the driver suddenly didn’t speak English anymore and just kept pushing him away. He says it almost came to blows! Cell phones did not work. Needless to say they were afraid to even be standing around in nowhere land, even as others from the cruise ship had taken the locals up on this journey and were also there, but most of them were not concerned as most were drunk. But the boat soon arrived and they got on it only to realize then how dumb that was if they were to be taken out onto the ocean where if anything went wrong they surely couldn’t escape. The party boat trip was crazy as drinks were passed around free and wild music played. They didn’t take any drinks. They just wanted to play out what they had to in order to get back to shore and back to their cruise ship…well, they were hoping at this point that they would get back to the cruise ship eventually. Amazingly, the ‘bus’ was waiting when the party boat pulled in, the ride back not being so off-the-beaten path, and my friend and his companion were not harmed in any way except to be scared the whole time. Was anything suspicious real? Maybe, maybe not but it seems you never know if anything suspicious is real until something bad happens that makes you go, ‘oh I should have seen that coming’.
The point I’m trying to make is that all potential tradegy is only clear in hindsight and then only if something actually happens. Until then, people keep going to these places of known danger believing nothing will happen to them. So when do people just stop going? They don’t! My friend says he’ll go back only this time wiser. But can a person really be wise enough to not fall into some trap or another? I don’t think so. But that’s life and it’s everywhere potentially so what is the answer?
Perhaps the answer is in the way the authorities handle things when something does go wrong. While all tradegy can’t be avoided, at the very least it should not be downplayed as if the tourist was at fault no matter if it is felt the tourist is a victim of her own behavior or that of someone else. It’s not about fault at first when tradegy strikes, such as when a person goes missing. The first priority is to find that missing person dead or alive and then let’s find the fault in it if there is any.
Joran and 2K’s lies inhibited this from happening and still do as Joran has said he will tell the whole story some day. Paulus’s refusal to participate for fear of being blamed (if he was not involved) only shows there is something corrupt within the justice system there or else he would not feel afraid if he has nothing to hide. We have seen witnesses come forward only to be locked away while they gave statements, after which many have lost their jobs. Some witnesses disappear. What does this look like? It looks like ‘shut up, we’re one happy island and we don’t want to deal with anything but happy things’. To this mindset then, I’d say Aruba is not a safe place to think about going because if anything were to go wrong the authorities don’t want to even hear about it, much less be bothered with dealing with it. And I don’t care how much ALE has ‘done’, they have not done enough…they did not dig through the dump. they did not do enough water seaches. they let American’s come do it for them, even letting the father of the missing girl dig through garbage on a tip ALE received! they passed the buck because either they knew these areas would not turn anything up, or they just didn’t have ‘time’ to fool with it. Either way, as justice is the only thing a family can have once a loved one is gone, (or at least an honest attempt at justice) it’s pretty clean this is not a top priority for Aruba. So…
That’s why- Aruba, Jennifer. Because they have made themselves a reputation that is undesirable. And there may be others and probably are. Some even in the USA. Most likely all over the world where arseholes exist. I think the answer to why Aruba is, Why NOT Aruba? Maybe you can answer that one.
And now a quick little answer to Jason….why is it that Aruba should be excluded when they are part of the problem the Caribbean faces? Why do people like you not see that we would be ignorant to NOT include Aruba in such discussions after all we have seen in this case? Is there nothing valuable in precident?
As you stated, it’s just a matter of educating potential tourists and they will stay away from Aruba.
No one wants to go to COVER-UP ISLAND.
To Steve Holloway…if you are really of Natalee’s family (sorry but you know how the internet can be), I would like to express to your family my deepest sympathies for all the unimaginable pain you have been through and continue to go through. May God keep you strong enough to cope with such anguish as you have faced and continue to face, strong enough to continue to seek answers, and should Natalee still be alive somewhere, I pray she will find the strength and avenue to find her way back.
But my prayers would not be complete if I were to exclude a prayer for the softening of hearts of those who can help bring this case to truth. So be it then.
Pearl … you are a voice for Natalee … a voice that comes from deep within your heart … a voice that the uncompassionate must hear … must comprehend.
I sincerely thank you.
Don’t feed the trolls. Let Aruba stew in its own filth.
NOTE WELL, in that article, the reference to Margarita island off Venezuela. Why?
Remember those photos from the Dr. Phil show that were said to be pictures of Amy Bradley, who vanished from the cruise ship docked off Curacao in March 1998? (Photos that experts hired by the family have said are almost certainly those of Amy.)
They were found, and sent to the Bradleys, on the Web site of an “adult vacation escort agency” … based on Margarita island.
Anyone remember the Islamic cleric al-Sadr’s statement in Baghdad some time back that any of his followers who captured American or British female soldiers were free to use them as sex slaves? Look it up on the Internet, it’s there.
Given the attitude of at least some Islamic sects to Western women, does ANYONE find it hard to imagine that those fanatics would reduce them to the level of sex slaves, both to humiliate them and to profit off them?
And to keep them addicted to drugs?
It seems to have been Amy’s fate … and Natalee’s? And others?
I remember the chilling comments of one former sex slave, caught up in the Bosnian war, about Muslim sectors: “The girls who go there do not return. Nobody ever sees them again.”
DM (#10) – you have a point. Put that way, why NOT Aruba, yes, indeed – why NOT single out this island in particular and go after it with a vengeance. People are angry and frustrated, while others are fascinated and curious. I don’t have the answers; I just think it is not right to attack another country and its people.
Now, I know this might be a stretch but I have been thinking about the fact that this was a completely unprecedented event on Aruba. Nothing like this had ever happened. No one knew how to react or handle it and nobody could have anticipated the severity of the situation or backlash of their blasÃ© attitude that was in store. I mean, completely unprecedented from all angles. Now stay with me for a moment – the attacks on the US in 2001 were also unprecedented. Bush has taken a lot of heat for how he reacted (or didn’t react) and proceeded to handle the situation. Our country went to war. We’re still at war. There were no WMDs. There are plenty of questionable actions and decisions of our government. But, the fact is, this was also unprecedented. The US wouldn’t listen to any other country when cautioned against going into Iraq. The US decided they would make their own decisions as, well, it is our right to do so! What is so different about the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and more specifically Aruba making the same decision? Hiding behind their right to make up their own rules in spite of, or perhaps even to spite, the US?
But, I don’t think it is as simple as that. Honestly, I was just drawing a parallel… contemplating… There are more things to consider. I can’t imagine Aruba not giving in under the pressure of the US. Bite off the hand that feeds? It runs deeper. Holland on the other hand I can see being annoyed by the US interfering and Holland then advising Aruba to buck up and not give in.
Anyway, sorry to go on and on, if you’ve read this far please know I realize it isn’t about Aruba and its right to be an island. People here are frustrated with a legal system that isn’t familiar and furthermore many here take issue with the possible conspiracies and the cover-ups. But do we know what they’re covering up? What are they covering up? What is the conspiracy? What power does this snot-nosed little 17-year-old Dutch boy have that would lead the government to cover-up for him?? It can’t be to save tourism. That’s a joke. There was no way within the first 24 hours the story wasn’t going to get out. To what end are the Dutch government and Aruban authorities involved in a cover-up? So many people say the Dutch want to off-load Aruba anyway – wouldn’t this be the perfect opportunity? I would be curious to learn more about the possible theories behind what is being covered up. I hope some of you will share your thoughts.
Oh, and one other thing I’ve seen posted repeatedly: ‘he said one day he would tell all, but not now’ – why do we put so much stock into this boy with a proven track record of lying? Why is he suddenly now telling the truth?
No need to look up the sex slave story; here it is in part:
Sadr Aide: Female Soldiers Can Be Kept as Slaves
Saturday, May 08, 2004
BASRA, Iraq – A senior aide of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr told worshippers during a Friday sermon in southern Iraq that anyone capturing a female British soldier can keep her as a slave.
The aide, Sheik Abdul-Sattar al-Bahadli (search), also called on supporters to launch jihad, or holy war, against British troops in this southern city.
He offered money to anyone capturing or killing a member of the Governing Council, the interim administration appointed by the U.S.-led occupation 10 months ago.
Al-Bahadli, al-Sadr’s chief representative in southern Iraq, spoke at al-Hawi mosque in central Basra.
It was the first time any anti-occupation activist of note publicly offered financial reward for the killing or capturing of coalition troops.
A wave of kidnappings last month saw scores of foreign nationals snatched by insurgents and shadowy groups across Iraq.
Al-Bahadli kept an assault rifle next to him as he spoke to an estimated 3,000 worshippers, occasionally lifting it as he screamed “jihad!,” and “Allahu Akbar!,” or “God is greatest!”
Your heart is filled with compassion for Natalee, and your presence here bears witness to your love for her.
Your mighty wings soar above protecting her from the cruelty she suffered,
You shelter her beneath the stroke of your wings, as you raise her gently up in flight, and fear not the evil that seeks to crush her voice.
Your gentleness offers her comfort,
And your compassion wipes away her tears.
With all the beauty that you possess, Sparrow,
How is it that you cannot hear the glorious song of your own sweet voice crying out for her right to be set free?
You’ve made her so very proud, Sparrow as have all her beloved friends gathered here, in her name.
Who will give comfort to this sweet precious child?
Perhaps the gentle sparrow with a blazing voice of compassion,
And a heart beat that is driven with a passion for her right to justice.
By Paul Simon
Who will love a little Sparrow
Who’s traveled far and cries for rest?
“Not I,” said the Oak Tree,
“I won’t share my branches with no sparrow’s nest,
And my blanket of leaves won’t warm her cold breast.”
Who will love a little Sparrow?
And who will speak a kindly word?
“Not I,” said the Swan,
“The entire idea is utterly absurd,
I’d be laughed at and scorned if the other Swans heard.”
And who will take pity in his heart?
And who will feed a starving sparrow?
“Not I,” said the Golden Wheat,
“I would if I could but I cannot I know,
I need all my grain to prosper and grow.”
Who will love a little Sparrow?
Will no one write her eulogy?
“I will,” said the Earth,
“For all I’ve created returns unto me…”
From Wednesday Morning, 3AM (1964)
Copyright © Duchess Music Corp. (BMI)
Your presence here, Sparrow, in the raising of your sweet voice,
Will indeed return her to where she belongs,
And where she deserves to be …
Rise up, Sparrow!
Sing out for Natalee’s right to come home!
Aruba … maybe you can learn something from the outcome of another investigation into the disappearance of an eighteen year old American citizen … an investigation free from conflicts of interest … an investigation focused on justice for the victim.
Suspect in Kelsey Smith’s Death Charged with Murder, Kidnapping
Thursday, June 07, 2007
Oh Pearl, you leave me crying when I read what you write.
#16- JENNIFER…can someone post a link here to the crime and death that is inside the cage that msmarple has put together. She needs to read before printing stuff that makes her seem like she was born a minute ago….
you know its a pretty scary world when you have to be afraid to go abroard.Some ppl have no morals or conscious for anothers life…WHY ARUBA INDEED!!!!!and if what Robert said on the last thread about this being an aruban problem and the dutch cant do anything….Man for arubas sake I hope he is wrong…
Janet, the shine of integrity on your boots alone, will blast through all the lies, deceptions, and corruption inflicted upon Natalee Holloway’s family.
The honor and passion for justice in your voice, cries out for Natalee’s family, and their right that their daughter, neice, grand-daughter, and beloved friend be SET FREE, and released from this cruelty inflicted upon her and her family.
Natalee Holloway must come home, Aruba!
Natalee Holloway deserves to be returned to her beloved U.S.A.
Natalee Holloway continues to cry out for justice!
Your boots are filled with integrity, Janet, and your stride is filled with a passion for Natalee’s truth.
March on, Monkeys!
March on for Natalee, – not because you can, but because you must!
March on, because you WILL.
March on, because … it is the right thing to do!
March on for Natalee, because her cries for freedom and justice are about everything that we claim we are!
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
Jennifer: We live in the USA. Here in the USA we are allowed to express our thoughts. We have not “attacked” Aruba. Rather we have freely expressed our thoughts that we believe people are not safe in Aruba and should not go their and spend their vacation dollars.
As has been said so many times before, we owe Aruba nothing. We are totally free to write as many letters, emails, posts and speak our minds about One Crappy Little Island.
I believe Aruban officials DID believe the Natalee investigation would go away. I believe the cover-up started because of the already corrupt police in Aruba, Paulus has something on someone and was able to enlist his pals to put pressure on the corrupt police and finally because Aruba believed denial would get rid of the case faster than telling the truth. Remember the first initial statements from Aruba which worried about not Natalee, not Natalee’s grieving family and friends, but rather Aruba’s Tourism and what the disappearance of Natalee might mean to it.
Talking about attacks: what is your take on the horrible nasty things said by Arubans about both Natalee and her mother Beth Holloway Twitty? Don’t you think attacking the victim and her mother is about the lowest of the low?
What about Karin Janssen’s letter to our state department asking about Beth’s possible relationship to Hitler? What possible relationship could this have to Beth’s daughter being drugged, raped and killed in Aruba? It’s so much more about just being hurtful and ugly.
What about Gerald Dompig, the chief investigator, going on international airwaves claiming that he had proof that Natalee bought drugs on Aruba – and yet didn’t reveal that his “proof” was from his own druggie brother-in-law?
What about all the other behaviors of Aruban “investigators”? Would you not call these attacks on the family and victim? I sure would.
Vacation Travelers: Warning Aruba is a dangerous place with corrupt police and government. Do not spend your vacation dollars there. Don’t stay in Aruba hotels where your possessions will probably be stolen, chollers run free, drugs are prevalent and drugging your drinks happens on a regular basis. Stay away from “One Crappy Little Island”.
I ask again: given that van der Straaten was so insistent that he knew what happened to Natalee (“I’ve seen the evidence and you haven’t”), how can it be that WE (meaning the U.S. law enforcement people who were in Aruba, and were shunted off) haven’t seen it?
Can it be that Aruba is less than sincere in what it says?
Can it be that Aruba WANTED us to jump to the conclusion (which is the prevalent view now anyway) that Natalee was dead … even though, in two years, they have not produced a body, a crime scene, a conviction … or anything else?
If so, why would that be?
Vicki – I’m sorry to appear to be born a minute ago. I thought I was raising thoughtful questions. Perhaps you (or someone else?) can then shed some light what is wrong with respect to the international relations parallel or questioning why everyone believes Joran now, but not before.
Ms. Marple. I wish! Solve all the cases, this one included, and everyone would be happy!
Katablog, as always I appreciate your thorough responses!
Onto answering you: you are attacking Aruba with a grass-roots boycott movement to cripple its economy. That is an attack. You do not owe Aruba anyhing. Nor, do the people of Aruba owe the United States anything. Of course the instinctual reaction to the missing American was ‘oh no, what about our main source of income?’ Same as it was when the Bolivar collapsed in 1985. Same as it was when Exxon pulled out and left a mess behind in 1986. Same as the growing fear among the intellectuals regarding the current government and its desire to break away from the Netherlands. There is a serious brain-drain affecting that island, and has been since the coalition that was formed in 1988. Naturally they thought it would go away, that’s what they do: ignore the problem and it will go away. They’re not as sophisticated as us problem-solvers up here. As for my take on the horrible nasty things said about the girl and her mother, they’re about as nasty as some of the things I read on here about Arubans. People weren’t nasty from the get-go, some people were just rubbed the wrong way. Kerin Janssen’s letter? Perhaps she was just implying that some people, again, were rubbed the wrong way by the authoritative manner in which Ms. Twitty thought she could run the investigation. But, how would I know? I didn’t write the letter and I haven’t read it – only what people say here about her making that reference. Please send me a link and I’ll educate myself. Why does Dompig have to reveal his proof to you? I don’t think the behavior of the investigators were attacks as much as they were uncaring. They didn’t care! Aruba is probably as safe as or safer than most parts of the world, including here. As for where the dollars go, most of the tourism revenue comes right back to the US investors and hotel/restaurant chains established there enojoying tax-holidays.
“Kerin Janssen’s letter? Perhaps she was just implying that some people, again, were rubbed the wrong way by the authoritative manner in which Ms. Twitty thought she could run the investigation.”
You have to be kidding! It was absolutely ludicrous for lead prosecutor Janssen
to spend time investigating whether or not Beth was related to Hitler!
#4 – What picture shall we pain with the brush you hold in your hand?
You claim that you’ve been stroked over, with one sweeping brush of paint?
Isn’t that much like the whining of Joran, who claimed that somehow – HE was the victim, as he slandered little defenseless Natalee after he and his friends took her away in the car, to the house, after which – she was never seen again by her tormented family?
What shall we call the “burying and re-burying” of a little girl, drugged, kidnapped, gang raped, and murdered, then stolen from her family, while mechanical hands cast her aside, burying her and digging her up, reburying her in haste, and never once turning back to grant her the dignity she continues to be entitled to?
You claim that you’ve been stroked over, with one sweeping brush of paint?
What shall we call the removal of statements from the case file about the horrific cruelty she suffered at the hands of Aruba’s free-roaming predators?
Since you seem to be the one holding the paint brush, perhaps you can identify for all us WHAT it was that the Aruban polis / and their unit were busy painting at those rocks around June 10, 11, of 2005, shortly after Joran’s confession to “killing Natalee Holloway”?
“Decentralized efforts, untraditional nature”, number 4?
How about “small cells” conveniently operating without any TRACK RECORD of the “TWENTY TIMES” or more of terrorist criminal acts inflicted upon innocent unknowing children who are TOURISTS in Aruba?
“Decentralized efforts, untraditional nature” … number 4?
How about “a threat in the Caribbean that is PART OF a great decentralized effort, untraditional in nature” – that finds its’ expression for the vicious violations of human rights in acts of: “drug running, financial crime, and people trafficking”?
How shall we paint the maggots in the rotting words of Joran, Deepak, Satish , Paulus and their co-conspirators?
- “we dropped her off right in front of the lobby entrance”
- “we dropped her off right ahead of the lobby entrance, and away from the security cameras”
- “we dropped her off across from the lobby entrance”
- “they dropped her off in the parking lot”
- “they dropped her off behind the lobby”
- “we dropped her off at the Marriott”
- “we left her on the beach”
- “No corpse, no case.”
That’s a very interesting paint brush you’re holding there #4 as you seem to paint right over the topic of focus: the criminal acts of “drug running, financial crime and people trafficking” that are finding expression in the Caribbean, “with confusing linkages with organized crime”, and instead, your paint brush leads us to your questions regarding what the USA is doing.
Let’s look closely at what the USA was doing, #4, and look specifically to a real case, about a beautiful child with a very promising future: Natalee – and the violations of her human rights in Aruba, the savagery that these violations and the lack of accountability for them speak of, – yes, let’s look at what the USA did in THIS PARTICULAR CASE:
1. USA FBI agents arrived immediately on the scene, and escorted Beth Twitty to Paulus’ house; however the Aruban polis and Paulus van der Sloot seemed to have an agenda going on, which did not include the immediate collection of statements from the three men, who took Natalee away, nor the search of the car she was taken in, nor THE HOUSE that the three liars agreed to go to, after departing Carlos and Charlies.
2. USA FBI divers willingly offered to help and assist. However it seems that no one in Aruba could identify for them a target area to search. As I recall: “They never set foot in the water.” Maybe Nelson Oduber can explain HOW exactly THAT happened between his meetings of empty promises and false reports concerning the “great progress” he claimed he was making, and his lying speeches about how important Natalee was to his country, in between his warnings of his REAL CONCERN which he made to all Arubans regarding how detrimental it would be to Aruba IF ANYTHING BAD HAPPENED TO
Natalee. Come to think of it, #4, I think Oduber said this right after Joran’s “We killed Natalee” CONFESSION – that responsible news outlets refused to retract despite the in-justice minister’s stomping his lucky charms, and declaring that it was all a “mis-information” campaign.
3. FBI agents stayed by Beth’s side, and walked her through the flames of hell that she was put through in Aruba, and those agents walked with Dave too as this loving father was reduced to scavenging through rubbish in a landfill, while malicious thugs stood by FILLING the areas with more garbage disposal, as he painstakingly continued to try to remove it…simply to find his dead daughter’s precious body, so he could gently carry her out of the bowels of hell in Aruba. Those agents stood by Beth’s side, as Aruban officials announced: BLOOD was found in a car, as blood samples were collected and compared, as officials announced to the world that the suspects were leading polis to the location of Natalee’s body. Beth collapsed in grief that day, #4. Did you not see the two men holding her up by the arms, shouldering with her, this savage cruelty inflicted upon her and Dave?
4. FBI agents offered numerous resources: agents, divers, search dogs, their expertise, and so much more, and other proud Red-White-and Blue Americans like Tim Miller, Jamie Skeeters, and others, came along offering their resources as well, while the family was denied equipment from Aruba, denied the ability to search, and held paralyzed by a nation that clearly had Natalee as the least interest in their agenda to make all of this “go away”, along with their number one concern: protecting Aruba’s reputation ( if it had one), from the horrific viciousness of criminal actions inflicted upon a little girl – a tourist in their country. It seems Aruba’s greatest concern was in covering up the savagery inflicted upon her little body, and burying her voice of truth to the agony and torment she was subjected to. Afterall, #4 – how would that go over with potential tourists?
No matter what color chocolate you use, #4, the paint will always come out the same:
GOLDEN for Natalee’s lovely blonde hair…
GREEN for the hope in Natalee’s blouse that she wore the night the murderers stole away all her hopes and dreams, while liars turned her green blouse into fishnet…
RED for Natalee’s proud American blood that was shed on your island…
WHITE for Natalee’s TRUTH…
BLUE for Natalee’s beautiful blue eyes and the wrist bands of hope that someday soon, she will come home to her beloved country and her family who longs to surround her with their love and bury her with the dignity and honor that she deserves…
“THE GIRL” and her mother have names, #4.
They are not “like” the “economic collapse” of a nation, nor are they equivalent to whatever value it is you place on oil.
Her name is Natalee Holloway!
Her mother’s name is Elizabeth.
They are human beings – more sacred and valuable than you seem capable of understanding, and clearly not worthy of the savagery that Aruba embraces in the steely cold callousness of murdering rapists, kidnappers and murderers.
“No one man can terrorize an entire nation, unless (YOU) are his accomplices.”
E. R. Murrow
Tourists deserve to be educated about Aruba’s dangers and
its denial of justice. Natalee’s case is a travesty.
The cover up will be Aruba’s downfall.
Tourists are under no obligation for the economic well-being
of the Aruban populace. That is the responsiblity of the Arubans themselves and Aruban authorities.
Aruban authorities know very well what will end the boycott.
JUSTICE JUSTICE JUSTICE
They have had TWO YEARS to get it right.
The blame for any suffering or ill effects from the boycott rests
squarely with Joran, Paulus, the Kalpoes, and any accomplices, including corrupt officials, who assisted in the aftermath.
Where is your blame for them?
Pearl, thank you with all my heart. I truly needed your words this day. Bless you a million times and then some. Pearl, you have lifted me up today, and I will say again I really needed your inspiration. Your beautiful expression of words are perfect. How healing to be acknowledged. We should all lift each other up as Pearl lifts us in love and tireless encouragement. Pearl, I may never meet you, but I know your soul is deep with compassion and love, thank you again. I will always call you my friend.
May we all have renewed energy more than ever to fight for Natalee Holloway, and her courageous Mother, Beth. Let us stay united and continue to listen, learn, and work for the justice. We will stay united until the 4 that killed Natalee are brought to justice. Until the 4 are in prison for the rest of their lives. Maybe it’s more than 4 that killed Natalee Holloway. The aruban authorities that have turned their backs on this murder are just as guilty as joran, paulass,deepak the stupid, and his ugly brother satish. Why aruba have you been so weak? Why aruba have you been an embarrassment to many? Why aruba are you corrupt? why good people of aruba are you afraid to stand-up and be counted? why aruba will you not tell the truth-the truth about Natalee Holloway?
Some people need to be sent a link to find another site. We’ve been invaded before in the past by people that are derogatory, argumentive, like to belittle one’s belief and convictions, came to cause trouble and question us. We are not on anyone’s witness stand nor shall will be. I am proud to have contact with many, many caring and concerned people. And I will remain just that way. Enough arrogance. There’s a boycott needed here for those that represent Joran Van Der Sloot. Too much crap and too much double-talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pearl, you obviously have a gift for writing – that’s great.
How is that everyone on here seems to know every intimate details of what happened that night?
#26 – no I am not kidding! I was asked to speculate! That was the best I could come up with short of saying the woman was whacked! Anyone else know why she would do it?
#28 – I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that the case is a travesty. It’s more than that! It’s unspeakable.
What are they covering up? What is the conspiracy? What? The fact that they’re lazy, don’t care, and have idiots running the country who think it’s more important to play the little political game with the US irrespective of the actual human beings involved?? We know that. We know everything apparently.
What are they covering up?
#29-sparrow..maybe somehow Natalee is looking down from up above and is touching each and everyone of us that is here for her and when one of us is down or in need of “uplifting” she puts a burden on another one of us to help that person.I know I have been lifted up by ppl protecting me when a troll attacks,or saying something kind.
When I was in Miami, I certainly felt Natalee smiling at me..[could be I kept looking at her smiling face haha] but seriously..God bless all of Natalees supporters.
From the horse’s mouth…
“the people of Aruba don’t owe the US anything”
Thats going to be the next Aruba ad Americans!
post 1 is a great post! so was your funny the other day!
hey mayan_moons, I’d rather be the horse’s mouth than the other part…! But anyway, so, yes the context of what you craftily extracted would be applying the same theory to both places of a sovereign/autonomous place not owing another answers – or does that not make any sense? I was aiming for the double-standard at play, but not sure if I managed to properly communicate that.
Aruban Lie Enforcement arrested the security guards while knowing full well that Joran and the Kalpoes, the last people seen with Natalee, lied about
dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.
No police department is that stupid. Not even ALE.
That smacks of cover up, Jennifer/Julia.
No matter what you write here, the boycott is on.
Get over it.
Aruba has been caught in a cover up and will
lose tourism because of it.
JuticeforNatalee, yes I know that (both #39 and #40). And, if I had forgotten I’ve been reminded. I don’t care whether the little boycott is on or not – I care about why you can’t get the US government to support the boycott. I care about what is being covered up, because if we know what it is – is it technically still a cover up? I care about why collectively the US and the Netherlands can’t sort this out and while time is ticking by we still have no answers and a whole lotta people preaching hatred about a whole lotta other people.
Vicki, I want to thank you for the uplifting words. Yes, I believe Natalee is watching us from above in heaven. We need each other especially when we have unkind words said to us. We need to protect each from the attacks. Yesterday was a bad day for attacks, but we must be shooting straight arrows at the enemies or they wouldn’t be on the ambush. When a person is guilty they will say anything to shroud or hinder. Obviously, we as a group have said a lot of truths, and we’ve hit home. The truth will not be blocked. Vicki, I needed to hear your kind words, and if you ever need back-up I’m here for you. Glad you are here to help me too. We will stay strong and united for each other and for Natalee.
Your words are truly inspiring. I know my candle is brightly glowing. You represent endurance and strength. So well-poised, you have quite a gift of deliverance. Perservance and the strive to find justice for our Natalee. And you will let nothing get in the way. We are with you and by your side to continue our efforts to find our lovely child. There are those that will throw stones in our path, step over them, there are those that bring malice, ignore them, and there are those that crawl out from under, step on them, for they mean to cause harm.
We don’t need the US government to support the boycott because
we are free people and can make our own decisions.
If the boycott is so “little,” why are you spending so much time here
whining about it. tsk tsk.
I am bored with your posts, Julia. I have one last thing to say to you:
NO JUSTICE/NO TOURISTS
For the love of precious Natalee, please ignore the ones who are here to cause trouble.
Jennifer! You’re still here!
On one thread you say you know nothing about the case — and have an open mind and want to learn.
On another thread you have several posts ‘reminding’ us about the special relationship between Joran and VanDerStraaten. (one of the original rumours proving to be NOT TRUE)
So which one is it?
You know nothing? Or you know about a special relationship?
I still hear Sidalee calling you.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY
Sarcasm…..I don’t care if your little boycott is on or not….blah…blah…blah…blah…
I suggest you take Gabe’s advice!!!
Guess Anita is home for the summer and has nothing to do…..I recognize the attitude!!!!!!!!Not much of a disguise.
I read where the supporters of Madeleine McCann’s parents released thousands of balloons with messages asking anyone for info as to her whereabouts. Why couldn’t we all do the same thing? Looks to me that a couple of dollars for a bag of ballons wouldn’t break any of us and we could attach any message we felt appropriate. Cruise line ports such as New Orleans would be a terrific starting out point.
I have my message ready: Aruba, til we have Natalee, you will have no tourists.
As usual, just a well meant thought…..chris
Chris, that is a great idea..how do we get started?
I guess I’ll eat my own words—-but I can’t resist.
Looks like jennifurrrr had the day off. she was busy here today.
“Aruba is probably as safe as or safer than most parts of the world”
Our Aruban trolls, in this case Jennifer, never tire of repeating the house slogans.
We already know … crime doesn’t get reported in Aruba. It’s erased from the tourist blogs, not followed up by police, and ignored by the government.
Better tell that guy who was burned to death in the cave that there’s no crime in Aruba … oops, sorry, I forgot, he didn’t die because his head and arms and legs (and, according to the source, some other organs) were severed …
HE DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE!
(At least that’s what the Aruban wizards figured out, some weeks or months after the event.)
The only funnier thing that our latest troll said is about the brain drain from Aruba.
I’d hate to think that Joran van der Sloot, who left for Holland, represented Aruba’s best and brightest. To be sure, some government and police officials have left … but I don’t think they qualify either.
However, Arubaanse is at school in the Netherlands, I believe. And it certainly might be applicable in this case, that Aruba’s smartest people have left.
(Arubaanse, that’s a labored attempt at a compliment.)
Come to think of it … it sure IS smart to leave Aruba, judging from our determination to get justice for Natalee.
No wonder the van der Sloots and Kalpoes are still there.
Chris (#48) … Interesting idea. Maybe the protesters at New Orleans at the end of the month might do something with this. Who could design these?
#50..Sparrow, why should you eat your own words? Did I miss something?
Brie and Richard, there is nothing special about it. We wouldn’t have to actually put anything on the balloon itself, but attach strings with little message cards. At least that’s the way I picture it. And yes, New Orleans would be a great start…..
I do want to learn. obviously if i’m posting something that is NOT TRUE then I don’t know much, do I? I was hoping someone here could convince me that the boycott made sense.
Why the personal attacks on me? No one here bothers to answer the real questions I ask. Is it because none of you have answers? No one bothers to acknowledge the fact that I have never once said to be on Joran’s side, and have only agreed with the whole case being a travesty and that answers should be sought.
You see it as ‘sarcastically whining’ about your little boycott – I see it as probing debate about humanity.
Maybe I’m just too smart for all you people. Ha!
“As for my take on the horrible nasty things said about the girl and her mother, they’re about as nasty as some of the things I read on here about Arubans.”
Jennifer: “the girl” has a name. Her name is Natalee. She was a live, breathing and much loved human being with hopes and dreams. Natalee will never become that doctor she wanted to be. Natalee will never have children, never have a wedding, never hug her parents again.
For Aruba to be more concerned with their economy than a human being speaks volumes. We want to protect other people who unknowingly might vacation on One Crappy Little Island. Aruba is ruining Aruba’s economy by allowing their government and police “investigators” and “judges” to get away with covering up a drugging, rape and murder.
Americans aren’t attacking Aruba; we are just warning others of the fate that might befall them. We are supporting Natalee’s family who has endure all this cover-ups, lies, and nonsense with grace and dignity.
Just as Arubans have a right to say terrible things about a VICTIM (Aruba is NOT a victim)and her family, we have a right to stand up for them and encourage others to do the same. Natalee didn’t vote to be drugged, raped and murdered on One Crappy Little Island. Arubans did vote in their government.
Janssen inquired about Beth just to be nasty. Whether Beth was or wasn’t (and she isn’t) related to Hitler had nothing to do with investigating the death, rape and drugging of her daughter on Aruba.
Of course we have a right to know what Dompig’s evidence was when he makes up bold lies on international TV about the VICTIM. Police investigators can’t go around accusing VICTIMS of behavior (insinuating their drugging, rape and death was their fault) without being able to substantiate it. And, I told you his proof – his lying sack of dirt brother-in-law the drug dealer who probably agreed to make the lying statement for a bag of crack.
Aruba’s behavior, along with the trolls from Aruba who have come here and attacked is disgusting and also is very telling. Other Americans need to know about this behavior and then if they still choose to vacation in Aruba – so be it. It may be the last bad decision they ever make.
#15, Richard…check this out….no particular reason…I just found it by googling Margarita Island.
As a matter of fact, I think the balloons…it’s a brilliant idea ,especially with media coverage. I bet the State of Alabama would join in on this one.
Scared Monkeys…can we ask for any suggestions, please?
Jennifer….the parallel you drew is almost right …Bush went to war to protect his country, and ‘Aruba’ is protecting theirs. The difference is in what they are protecting against. Bush is protecting against evils aimed at his country and ‘Aruba’ is…. well…..you can do the math.
Remember the statement…”all this for one girl”. That tells me alot about what’s important to Aruba, and Natalee lost.
To #13….Thank you for the prayers. Dave is my brother and I know some of his pain and it is deep.
I realized the ‘ha!’ at the end of my last post might be misinterpreted as snide whle I just reread it – i was laughing at myself (as in I don’t think I’m that smart, as in ‘ha! that’d be the day’). I thought I’d throw that out there.
And, people keep telling me ‘it’s our right, it’s our right’ – I’m not contesting our rights as Americans to do what we want because of the liberties afforded us in this country. We are lucky.
Trolls have to stay out of daylight and under their rock otherwise they turn to stone. They can be very mean and nasty. Portraying themselves as a obnoxious nuisance.
Caution: Alien onboard, posing as an American!!!
Are there 2 jennifers on here? Seriously?
Aruba….Iguana…..A large, dark-colored tropical American lizard..he’s wondering how do I get the h**l out of here???????
Brie, I had said early to ignore the trouble makers, and then I posted what you read. I was ignoring my own post. I couldn’t resist.
#66..Okay..Not a problem…Continue as usual….We love you!!!
Maybe I’m just too smart for all you people. Ha!
Comment by Jennifer | June 7, 2007, 8:31 pm
uh yes, no…
I am pretty sure that’s not it.
hey doesn’t your dryer lint
trap need cleaning er sumpin’?
Go do something
Its amazing that someone could be so stupid Julia..I mean Jennifer…. Now I really LOVE the balloon idea. I will share it with the ppl that are going to the protest…GREAT IDEA I think pieces of different color construction paper with a hole punched out and the string tying them together…WOW “HELP FIND NATALEE”…”BOYCOTT ARUBA FOR NATALEE”…NATALEE STILL MISSING…
BY THE WAY “YOU TROLLS ENCOURAGE US”
# 32 – Jennifer, how is it that you can claim that you do not know what happened to Natalee?
Or, perhaps you are suggesting we buy the bizarre commentary of Julia Renfro who was pushing the: “blonde blue eye Dutch boy” lie, that Beth – Natalee’s mother, clearly indicated was NOT TRUE.
Have you ever noticed, #32 – Jennifer, how Julia Renfro’s comments seemed to be spewed following the call for a boycott to Aruba?
Do you think Julia Renfros false claims were made purposefully, Jennifer?
In other words, do you think that Julia Renfro was possibly involved in an attempt to derail the investigation, and create false stories about Natalee in an attempt to undermine the truth of what REALLY had happened to her?
Afterall, what would the millions of Americans think if they were to learn that Natalee was TARGETTED by Joran, Deepak and Satish – that Paulus also knew of this, and that she was selected by these suspects for an evening of: Kidnapping, being drugged, gang raped, and then – murdered? What would Americans think of Aruba if they were to learn that American children are becoming targets of predatory terrorism with the intent to: drug, gang rape, kidnap and murder them?
Do you think that Julia Renfro’s false remarks, which Beth refuted clearly as “not true”, – could those “Dutch boy” remarks generated by Julia, have been purposeful in an attempt to retaliate against Beth for daring to ask Americans to support her anguished efforts to find her beloved daughter by supporting a boycott to the island?
Whose interest did it serve to suggest that Natalee had just “left” the island with a “Dutch boy” rather than focus on the “WE KILLED NATALEE” confession that was made on June 10th?
Did you also notice that G. Dompig – a man who sadly seems to lack good conscience when it comes to speaking the truth concerning Natalee , as it seems that following the call for a boycott, and the untruths spoken by Julia Renfro, Gerold Dompig then proceeded to travel to the USA to disparage Natalee’s reputation by suggesting that she was in “possession of drugs” – and that somehow, the horrific criminal acts inflicted upon her – which Dompig watered down with words like “buried and re-buried”, were to be attributed to “accidental” causes adding: “these boys are not killers”.
And to think: Dompig never mentioned that the “witness” to the “drug possession” he slandered Natalee with – was his own brother in law, who apparently had no conscience issues with lying about Mickey John and Abraham Jones when references suggested that Dompig’s brother in law was one of the culprits – along with Joran, Deepak, Satish and Steve Croes – to falsely accuse and implicate Mickey John and Abraham Jones which led to their being arrested. How’s that for a “humanity” issue, Jennifer? THE FALSE ARRESTS OF TWO BLACK MEN WHO WERE BEING FRAMED.
Quite a shift, wouldn’t you agree Jennifer, from: “These boys are guilty as hell.”
Quite a shift, wouldn’t you agree, Jennifer from: “One of the suspects has confessed to killing Natalee Holloway” …and “Suspect is leading polis to the location of the BODY…”
It seems that Dompig has the same low standards as all the other liars in Aruba who seem to mold new words to speak, and glibly roll them off their tongues, in an attempt to RE-DEFINE, – or, as some might say – LIE about WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
I’ve always wondered Jennifer: how do people like that sleep at night?
But your #55 statement says it all, doesn’t it Jennifer?
If you are truly here to learn about the suffering being endured by Beth and Dave and their beautiful families, if you were truly here to learn Natalee’s truth, then you would have already taken the time to read through this child’s brutal suffering spoken by her courageous parents, a suffering that was then added to when Natalee – in death, along with her loving family, were then assaulted over and over, subjected to the most uncivilized and barbaric conduct, through the demonic actions of men like: Paulus, Joran, Deepak, Satish – and all their lying friends who seem to value their gluttony for money and the perversions of their lies, over the sanctity of human life and the sacredness of an innocent child named Natalee Holloway.
But rather than learn from the records of HER TRUTH, you claim that you want those here to “convince you” as to why the boycott makes sense.
Did you ever hear of Ghandi, Jennifer? How about Martin Luther King – does he ring a bell to your ears? Would you say Ghandi had some success in his boycott, Jennifer?
Do you think Martin Luther King’s boycott was effective?
You claim to be interested in a “probing debate about humanity” …
Perhaps it is time to define what it means, Jennifer….
What does it mean to be HUMAN?
Was Natalee human to you?
Was BETH human to you?
How about that image of DAVE being “tipped” off to go dig in that garbage pit while men stood by watching this grieving father and all his supporters, tunneling down into that pit if only to find his precious daughter’s body.
How about that, Jennifer?
WAS THAT AN IMAGE OF A HUMAN BEING TO YOU?
What do you suppose that father felt as he dug through the waste in that landfill in 90 degree tropical weather, while Arubans stood by filling the very areas he had painstakingly removed garbage from – only to have them re-filled all over again?
What does that say about Aruba’s treatment of Dave’s humanity?
WHAT DID DAVE FEEL AT THAT MOMENT, JENNIFER?
What of the assaults on Beth?
Was that exemplary of “humanity”, Jennifer? …All the attacks, and assaultive references intended to undermine Natalee and Beth’s credibility – so that the LIARS could proceed with their depraved, savage indifference to the suffering of this child and her family.
And how about Deepak’s foul, depraved use of language regarding Natlaee – the child, whose voice was taken away?
Was that “human” conduct where Deepak referenced the most abusive words he could spew from his twisted mouth concerning this precious little girl, Natalee?
But you seem most interested in the need to be “convinced” as to WHY we must boycott Aruba, (and as for me – all Dutch territories, until that time that it is clear that the Dutch are interested in JUSTICE for this child).
So, you want someone to “convince” you about why we are boycotting Aruba and why that is justified, Jennifer? Is THAT why you are here?
Strange how whenever I speak to you, Jennifer – it truly seems to never be about NATALEE.
Why is that?
You need “convincing” about BOYCOTTING ARUBA?
Do you know what that smells like to me, Jennifer?
Your focus is NOT on Natalee.
Your focus is on TOURISM for ARUBA and the BOYCOTT that will indeed inform Americans everywhere – of exactly what is happening to innocent American children – TOURISTS, in Aruba – like NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
Why did you come here, Jennifer?
You pepper people compliments, then like a pretzel, twist around the FOCUS of WHY WE ARE ALL HERE.
She is not going to go away, Jennifer, Julia or whoever you are…
HER NAME IS NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
She was 18 years old before savagely being stripped of her freedom, when she was drugged, under a pretense that called tourists to socialize together, at a local restaurant/nightclub, and then she was taken from that place ( KIDNAPPED), and led into a car with three men who then repeatedly lied to polis and her family as to what they did to her, and where they put her. This savagery took place while the very men and women charged with – at the very least FINDING HER and protecting her freedom, proceeded to not bother taking any statements from the men who took her away ( Joran, Deepak, Satish and the complicit Paulus), not filling out a report of what transpired on 5/31 – 3 AM in the morning at the Van der Sloot residence – when Beth begged for help from the liar, Paulus and the two other liars: Deepak and Joran, and then the same polis apparently had a little private meeting, or so it seems – with Paulus, Deepak and Joran ( isn’t that so, Jennifer?) before they all went over to the Holiday Inn to lie some more about WHAT HAPPENED to Natalee.
This is not about TOURISM.
This is about JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
This is about the stripping away of Natalee’s human rights and freedom, and the denial by Aruba to a family’s right to know WHAT happened to their precious child.
This is about assaultive measures that were used to silence Natalee’s truth, and shun her family into isolation, and bewilderment.
This is about a depraved indifference to human life, a depravity that involves corruption, collusion, and vicious assaults on a family so seriously harmed, it will be a wonder to me if anyone can ever go to Aruba again – from any country.
You think we can’t see through this depravity and cruelty, Jennifer?
Do you really believe the FBI were blind to the depravity they witnessed unfolding in Aruba while officials were claiming that Natalee was the number one priority?
Do you think Americans don’t know how to do the math that says: when FBI divers are INVITED IN – then proceed to be sent out for coffee and donuts for Mr. Frosted Flakes, and the lucky charm boy, how do you suppose Americans should interpret that type of arrogance and outrageous lying conduct ?
THEY NEVER SET FOOT IN THE WATER, JENNIFER BECAUSE ARUBA REFUSED TO GIVE THEM TARGETS TO “SEARCH”.
Why was that, Jennifer?
Why were those divers never given any targets to search?
… Maybe it was because FINDING Natalee was NEVER the “priority”.
Come now, you do know WHAT the priority was, don’t you?
“NO CORPSE, NO CASE” …. “THIS WILL BE OVER IN TWO WEEKS”….and “ARUBA IS A VERY HAPPY SAFE ISLAND.” THAT WAS ARUBA’S PRIORITY – as men with no conscience, no honor, no integrity lied to the grieving suffering faces of Beth, Dave and their beautiful loving families.
If you truly are interested in the “humanity” issues – or LACK OF HUMANITY concerning the treatment of Natlaee Holloway, regarding the horrific suffering inflicted upon her and her family, then go read all the transcripts you can find, and start right here – because there are plenty well documented references for you to use.
Otherwise, spare us the words that portray an interest in finding this precious little girl, that truly seem to be disinterested in reading about the abominations and cruelties that she and her family suffered, disinterested in speaking about the violations of her human rights, disinterested in discussing the barbaric inhumane treatment inflicted upon Natalee and upon her family by Aruban officials who lack honor, integrity and a passion for justice.
To Steve Holloway – please know we are with you.
We are right there by your side.
We are standing with you by Natalee’s side.
You are not alone, Steve.
We all pray that your precious Natalee’s truth will be carried home, and that her right to justice will indeed be honored as more and more Americans learn of the outrageous violations of Natalee’s human rights that took place in Aruba, and that included brutal, vicious assaults on her beautiful family in their quest to find Natalee and.bring her home.
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
Justice for Natalee’s family!
JENNIFER = TURNSPEAK
Her presence here, on these threads, confirms the boycott is working.
The LA Times smear job, a professionally crafted hit piece most likely placed as media trade for ad revenue, was run at the behest of Aruba because the boycott is working.
The KLPD shows up 2 years too late, just in time to extend suspect status for the 3 criminals. The Netherlands know they have a problem. And the problem is getting worse because the boycott is working.
The numbers don’t lie: year-over-year declines in tourist visits means Aruba is experiencing “compounding” decreases in economic activity, while neighboring destinations are experiencing double digit percentage growth rates. This is because the boycott is working.
Understandably the boycott is causing economic hardship in Aruba. And these hardships are the direct consequences of installing inept, incompetent and/or corrupted leadership. About a year ago, someone on these threads estimated at that time the boycott, based on percentage declines in tourist headcount, and average spending while there, had cost Aruba in the neighborhood of $200 million — about a tenth of their $2Billion economy. What do you think that figure is today? Double that earlier projection?
Does it really matter? What is the price of a life? What did Natalee Holloway’s life “cost?” What was her “HUMANITY” worth?
There were consequences for stealing this child from her family. There were consequences for deriding and dismissing the Holloway Twitty family. There were consequences for behaving like third-rate thugocracy, instead of a civilized nation.
And until there is justice, there will be a boycott.
Pearl, your writing takes my breath away. I’m sorry to add to the pretzel, but truly it is a gift.
My focus is not the case (hasn’t it been solved already?). My focus is not tourism. My focus has somehow become you. My fascination at how I immediately became the enemy. I came here for no particular reason. I stumbled upon this website by accident. Aghast at the contempt I saw, I responded – as you may have seen from my initial post – criticizig you for preaching your hatred and intollerance. You quickly set me straight on your convictions. And, my focus became you. Teach me why we hate! I asked. You responded. I questioned what you said. You failed to respond. I continued to pick brains and find out if there truly was a group of people out there that believed evil was the only way to fight evil. That hatred was an answer, an option.
I have been called, from what I can remember, a troll, a liar, a prostitute, urine, ingorant of historical figures, dispicable, stupid, not-of-the-human-race, and my favorite: foreign alien (because all Americans think alike, right?). Those are hateful words to use on someone. But, it is human to cast judgment, to lable, to categorize in order to feel superior. I am fascinated. Hateful words on me not because I too am horrified at the events. Not because I too am curious for answers. But, because my opinion differs to the extent that I don’t think there is any value in preaching hatred about a people because you know a handful of dirty rotten scumbags. You selectively determine what to respond to in my posts – you too participate in the making of the pretzel with your tactful insinuations.
Turnspeak? You give me too much credit.
We are all humans. Every one of us. That’s my point. Or, at least my main point.
I too hope justice will prevail. Just not at the expense of more lives and devastation. Is that really such a silly stupid ignorant alien inhumane foreign dispicable thing for me to say?
Oh well. Anyway, clearly not the forum.
BTW, from a ‘pro-boycott’ perspective I think the balloon idea is really neat.
Jennifer, you’re enjoyment of this site is suspicious to say the least. Why would you bombard this site when it has become evident that you, or anyone else, could never stop our determination to stand-up for Natalee Holloway? You’re wasting your time here. You have to have some involvement with the creatures, joran, paulas, deepak and satish to be consumed with what we believe, and what we think or say. So now confront me. Get this jennifer—–WE have grown to LOVE Natalle, and her family. Those who can not comprehend the depths of our convictions for a child who was drugged, kidnapped, raped, and then murdered-can not have the ability to feel emotions. They are emotionless! The only thing these kinds of subhumans can enjoy is to inflict their empty souls that are akin to hell onto others. The good souls here stand together-as long as it takes to get justice for the young, American girl, who was murderered on the island of aruba. Hell fire and damnation to the ones who harmed Natalee Holloway. SO jennifer, why are you really here? Do you enjoy reliving a night of murder? Is that what you do–you relive horrible things? You must know some truths that happen the night Natalee Holloway’s life was taken. Care to confess, jennifer?
“Aghast, at the contempt I saw.” So, jennifer, why didn’t you just stumble off this site. Just too much enjoyment for you to pass bye? You, seriously, need to stumble onto another site, and leave Pearl alone. She does not deserve your scorn. Your preoccupation with this site is more than an obsession. What do you need to hear? What do you need to know? Haven’t you heard enough? Something bothering you? Something you need to confess, jennifer?
#72 – Jen, … Once again, why is it that every time these monkeys attempt to put the focus on NATALEE – all the attention seems to get shifted back to TOURISM, and the poor people who are indeed suffering in Aruba as the result of JORAN, DEEPAK, SATISH, PAULUS and all their co-conspirators criminal acts, and YOU, YOU, YOU?
I suppose focusing on: “WE KILLED NATALEE” …and “POLIS ARE BEING LED TO THE LOCATION OF THE BODY BY THE SUSPECT” and the chilling words of PAULUS: “NO CORPSE, NO CASE” – is just a little too much of a beam in the eye for those in Aruba, lacking in integrity, who can turn this around but choose not to do so. They don’t want Natalee found, do they Jen?
We try to speak of NATALEE, the barbaric suffering inflicted upon her, the violations of her human rights, her courageous loving mother, BETH, her courageous loving father, DAVE,and the painful ordeal of having your child targetted for terrorist acts – only for her remains to be stolen away from her family,…..but, somehow, it always goes back to YOU, JEN, and TOURISM, and ARUBA!!!
Why is that, Jen?
Does Natalee’s painful suffering, and the brutal torture inflicted upon her and her family cause you some kind of inconvenience, Jen?
People in Aruba are suffering, you say?
Why are you not coming here demanding that: JORAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT?
WHy are you not asking Paulus: TO MAKE YOUR SUFFERING, AND THAT OF ARUBA, END BY TELLING THE TRUTH AND RELEASING NATALEE FROM THE “CONTAINMENT” HE SUBJECTED HER TO?
Why have you not asked Satish and Deepak to tell everything they know and by all means, include the truth this time around?
Why do you come here whining to people who have not caused your suffering,nor Aruba’s suffering, yet you continue to choose each day to not say a WORD to those who created this wretchedness: JORAN, DEEPAK, SATISH, PAULUS, and all the others they conspired with to obstruct justice for Natalee and her family?
Why is it that you portray YOURSELF/and ARUBA as victims, when you are anything but victims!
NATALEE IS THE VICTIM.
NATALEE IS THE ONE MISSING.
NATALEE IS THE ONE WHO WAS DRUGGED, KIDNPAPED, GANG RAPED, BEATEN AND MURDERED.
You seem to be still walking around, Jen and typing up a storm on Scared Monkeys about how difficult your life is these days.
NATALEE IS THE VICTIM, NOT YOU.
And Natalee’s family members are also all victims of this violence, and vicious cruelty.
I guess that means you never heard of Martin Luther King, or Ghandhi, huh, Jen?
So you think everyone is automatically ‘human’, Jen?
Perhaps being ‘human’ is not automatic by birth, Jen.
Perhaps we EARN THAT STATUS THROUGH OUR DEEDS AND THROUGH OUR WORDS.
WE BECOME HUMAN, Jen..and there are some who will never be human, because their choices are evil, hatred, injustice, malfeasance…
Ultimately, society’s ability to rise to the level of humanity will be rooted in its ability to ACT JUSTLY, LIVE WITH INTEGRITY, RISE TO THE OCCASIONS FOR LIVING IN HONOR AND IN JUSTICE.
When a society embraces barbaric acts of indifference, depravity, corruption, and savagery, and sanctions this kind of cruelty, this does not constitute “HUMAN” behavior, Jen.
Nor do the despicable lies, collusion, contempt for justice, slandering of a little girl’s reputation, slandering of her mother who only wants her baby back, and accusations hurled at her father and mother through depraved acts of viciousness.
None of that is ‘human’, Jen.
If Paulus Van der Sloot is your model of what it means to be human, Jen, then you and your island are doomed.
You see, what you value, Jen, will indeed be made manifest, by the choices that you make even as what we value ( NATLAEE’S SACRED LIFE, HONORING HER TRUTH, CLAIMING HER RIGHT TO JUSTICE) will indeed be made apparent to you, by the choices that we make.
The boycott of Aruba is one of those choices we will make -FOR NATALEE, FOR HER FAMILY’S RIGHT TO HAVE NATALEE RETURNED AND KNOW HER TRUTH, FOR NATALEE”S RIGHT TO BE SET FREE, FOR HER RIGHT TO COME HOME TO HER HOMELAND.
Hammer, I do declare that I believe you are right on with the gavel.
For why else would Jen be spending so much time here, whining about tourism, while claiming to “want to learn” about the very reasons for why we are here, boycotting Aruba… – when she really does not seem interested at all in learning about the cruelty, inhumane treatement, and violations of Natalee’s human rights for which Aruba most hold itself accountable and responsible – by arresting the murderers who beat her, raped her, drugged her and kidnapped her, and murdered her, and then – as if all of that were not enough torment for her family, her body was desecrated over and over again – while her loving family was forced to watch completely unaided and paralyzed by the vicious cruelty inflicted upon them and their beloved child.
“NO MAN CAN TERRORIZE AN ENTIRE NATION, UNLESS ( YOU) ARE ALL HIS ACCOMPLICES.” (E.R.Murrow)
Choose to be a witness to truth, Jen.
Reject becoming an accomplice.
Become someone worth remembering, Jen.
Or…as beautiful Hammer says:
“Until there is justice, there will be a boycott.”
Justice for Natalee Holloway!
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a kelmel. She starts out sooo sincere and caring and then throws in a statement each time to set someone off and hijacks the whole topic each time with people responding to her statements.
When Bride-Zilla Attacks!
TURLOCK, Calif. – A bride-to-be who wanted to get out of a date
with a man she met on a phone chat line sent officers on a wild chase
when she faked her abduction, police said.
Remember the good ole days when you could get out of
a bad date by just claiming that you accidentally severed your foot off with a potato peeler? (me either)
Tourism spot checker:
Tomorrow, will be June 9th.
…Two years from when Joran, Deepak and Satish were finally arrested and held as “suspects” in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and in the crimes that K. Janssen believes to have been committed against her.
June 9, 2005 …
…days from when Natalee was first reported missing, and being taken away in a car containing: Joran, Deepak, and Satish (after which, she was never seen again).
…days from when the Visibility Team never bothered responding to the cries for help from the Mountain Brook students and teachers gripped with fear over what had happened to Natalee.
…days from when the ALE claimed to be involved, yet never did a single thing to gather or collect any evidence.
Instead, they sent a bunch of tourists and citizens out on what they claimed was to be a big “search” for Natalee that yielded absolutely nothing.
…days from May 31, 2005 when Joran and Deepak pin-pointed the front of the hotel lobby entrance as their lying “drop off” point.
…days from May 30, 2005 when polis already had access to the Holiday Inn surveillance tapes that proved NO DROP OFF EVER TOOK PLACE as claimed by Joran, Deepak and Satish.
…days from May 31, 2005 where Paulus Van der Sloot proceeded to lie to Beth suggesting that he didn’t know a thing about her daughter, Natalee ( yet casino surveillance tapes seem to indicate otherwise confirming that he lied to BETH, lied about HIS KNOWLEDGE and his INVOLVEMENT in Natalee’s disappearance as was later determined in an Aruban court).
…days from when Mickey John and Abraham Jones were falsely accused and implicated as being involved in Natalee’s disappearance by Joran, Deepak, Satish, Boeti, and Steve Croes.
…days from when Holiday Inn hotel night desk manager stated that Natalee was never seen coming into the lobby as claimed by Joran, Deepak and Satish.
…days from when a HOliday Inn security officer stated: he never saw any such sign of Natalee as described by Joran, Deepak and Satish.
….days from when Holiday Inn surveillance tapes proved that Joran, Deepak and Satish were all lying, and this proof was already readily available by 3 AM in the morning on May 31, 2005.
…days from when the CASINO TAPES were never reviewed, even though Karen Janssen knew that this was where Natalee had been, and that Joran had been right before Carlos and Charlies.
…days from when NO STATEMENTS WHATSOEVER were taken/nor any statements followed up upon conflicting remarks made by Joran, Deepak and Satish when looked at against the evidence of witnesses and tapes all of which proved that JORAN, DEEPAK, and SATISH – the men who took Natalee away, were all liars, and their lies to obstruct justice were purposeful, premediated, and demonstrated a depraved indifference to Natalee and to the suffering and anguish her family was suffering – and continues to suffer.
…days from when Mickey John had already informed the ALE that Deepak confessed to him that the “DROP OFF STORY” was a huge lie, which PAULUS, DEEPAK, JORAN and SATISH ALL PLOTTED TOGETHER. Yet, no follow up to Mickey John or Deepak, concerning this bombshell information ever took place.
…days from when Natalee was last seen being led to a car near Carlos and Charlies – yet, only days later, a big “search” was conducted that looked ANYWHERE BUT – “THE HOUSE” that Satish mentioned in his May 31 statement that he, Joran and Deepak had all agreed to go to because they were all “bored” after arriving at Carlos and Charlies minutes before it closed.
..days from when Mickey John and Abraham Jones’ houses, cars, and belongings had already been SEARCHED – yet, NOTHING was searched for two years at Paulus house, and a pitiful display of an alleged “search” stated to have taken place at Joran’s apartment, and Deepak and Satish’s house.
…days from when Mickey John and Abraham Jones were arrested, yet only one questioning period took place surrounding contemptuous claims that they were believed to be involved in criminal acts inflicted upon Natalee.
..days from when Mickey John and Abraham Jones were first arrested themselves – and yet, despite Deepak’s claim that he could “IDENTIFY” if he SAW the GUARD he claimed to see taking Natalee into the hotel lobby (as he claimed to Beth on 5/31 at 3 AM), ALE seemed very unmotivated to pursue any line-ups to provide Deepak, Joran or Satish – with an opportunity on June 5th (when John and Jones were arrested)- to identify the “guard” that the ALE claimed to have in possession as the individuals who were involved in criminal conduct concerning Natalee’s disappearance that they (ALE) claimed was based on “TIPS” and “eye witness” statements made by individuals who fingered those innocent guards – yet, NO ID ATTEMPTS WERE EVER MADE ON JUNE 5th…
…days from when records and files were reported as “missing” by attorneys involved in representing John and Jones.
…days from when statements are made that the “Dutch boys’” statements are missing from the files…
…just one day before Joran’s confession: “We killed Natalee” …and statements regarding: “Suspect is leading polis to the location of the body..”
…just moments later, Nelson Oduber would give a national address following Joran’s confession: “If anything happened to Natalee, it could have serious consequences for Aruba” which depends on tourism ‘speech’.
There is so much more concerning the depravity and injustice surrounding JUNE 9th and all the days leading up to and proceeding from JUNE 9th.
On May 30, 2005, Natalee was murdered by the criminals who drugged her, kidnapped her, gang raped her, beat her, and murdered her.
ARUBA DOES OWE THE UNITED STATES SOMETHING: Aruba owes the United States the TRUTH of WHERE NATALEE HOLLOWAY IS, WHERE SHE IS BEING UNLAWFULLY CONTAINED, WHAT HAPPENED TO HER, AND WHY JUSTICE HAS NOT YET BEEN SERVED REGARDING THE VIOLATIONS OF HER HUMAN RIGHTS, AS WELL AS WHAT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS PLANS ON DOINDG ABOUT THIS TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!
JUSTICE FOR HER LOVING FAMILY!
“NO MAN CAN TERRORIZE AN ENTIRE NATION, UNLESS ALL OF YOU ARE HIS ACCOMPLICES.” E.R.Murrow
Here is an interesting thing to ponder….
We know that Paulus has a screwed up timeline for the evening that Natalee disappeared.
Joran has tried to state that Paulus left at 6:30pm. However, the casino tapes show Paulus and Joran playing cards with Paulus hitting on NH at 8:30pm. You will recall, Joran, in his book in an attempt to cover for this screwed up timeline states that someone looking just like his father was playing cards at their table.
The original story/alibi of 6:30pm worked great for Joran and Paulus, until the casino video was released. The casino video confirms another lie by both. You will note that Paulus is somewhat evasive on what time he left the casino in his statements (and, of course, no one pushed him on it).
I actually believe, that this video was released prematurely and stupidly by ALE as they were trying to establish that Natalee had been drinking all day and was drunk – you will note that in the short clip that was released, Paulus is obscured and Natalee is shown taking several sips from a straw – what appears to be a drink. This may explain why Posner was so pissed, because it establishes a timeline lie for Paulus Van Der Sloot and his boy. In an attempt to show Natalee drinking….they screwed up the timelines BIG TIME.
There are some very, very fishy timeline issues that Aruba and the Dutch Investigators seem to overlook.
If the casino videos show Joran and Paulus and Natalee coming into the casino…they most certainly show when each left the casino. Where are these videos??? Who has them??? In fact, I would guess there are ten different camera angles that can appropriately detail people and their timelines while in the casino.
Here is my hunch — Paulus and Joran left the casino just after the girls left to go to Carlos and Charlies. It seems kind of vague about how Joran got to the casino. Did Deepak pick him up at his house (where Paulus certainly would have heard his loud muffler and tunes?)? I think not. I think Paulus took Joran and dropped him off at C&C’s. This would fully explain why Paulus had to come up with the 11pm pick-up timeline. There is evidence that shows Paulus was out cruising at that time….
Me thinks Paulus and Joran left the casino at approximately 10:45 – 11pm. Possibly stopped by McDonald’s for a quick happy meal…and then Paulus took Joran to C&C’s.
It also seems somewhat grey as to whether the Van Der Sloot children were even in Aruba – which was what the 6:30 timeline lie was about (Paulus had left to get Sebastian…where was Sebastian? Who’s house? Where are the witness statements for the pick-up that took place by the people who were with Sebastian?)
Can anyone provide some timeline evidence that might contradict this theory? Can anyone provide witness statements of when Paulus and Joran left the casino? Can the casino provide video backup that shows Joran taking over Paulus’ gambling games for that evening?
There is evidence that the predators, after taking Natalee from C&C’s, returned to the VDS compound. However, every effort by the predators has been made to direct away from the VDS compound.
Paulus is your perp. Too many folks in Aruba have covered for him. Will the Dutch continue this charade? Or actually build the timeline for the evening. The timeline won’t lie like the witnesses/suspects…and there certainly is video evidence from the casinos for that night.
You forgot that we are also just days away from two years from when Paulus Van Der Sloot gave a ‘witness statement’ – June 16th, if I am not mistaken……
And, we are almost two years from when that witness statement mysteriously disappeared.
ALE has admitted that they questioned him on that day…but, they now have no records or statements from him on that day based on info that was requested by Dr. Phil in his lawsuit.
Bring Paulus in NOW!
Did the packs of stray dogs eat the evidence?
What an embarrassment Aruba is to itself!