RSSAruba: Protest against the Choller Problem again … Why no Protests Ever for Natalee Holloway?
The Aruban protests against the Choller problem on their island continues. In all the Aruban travel brochures, web sites and ATA information we have yet to hear them talk about the “choller” problem and inform the unsuspecting tourist. If the “choller” problem warrants people protesting in the street one would think that the traveling tourist would need to know of the potential risk.
(What the protest should have looked like)
The protesters are not sure whether this protest will help, because the problem with the chollers is too big …
What is more problematic to Aruba is that these protests show that Arubans are willing to go out and protest against certain issues they deem important. Some how the issue of “chollers” is important enough to protest, yet the manner in how the Natalee Holloway disappearance was handled and its negative effects on Aruba’s image and economy and in turn Arubans was not. Chollers are an inconvenience? As compared to what, an economy that had declined in the past two years vs the rest of the Caribbean that saw increases? All resulting following Natalee’s disappearance and the manner in how the investigation was handled. An image by many that still exists today.
… this second one focused more on the inconvenience of the chollers. The protesters want the government to tackle this problem as soon as possible, by moving the relief center Dak riba Cabez elsewhere, away from the center of town.
The protesters are not sure whether this protest will help, because the problem with the chollers is too big, and it won’t go away by itself. But if nothing happens, the protesters will hit the street again.
Amigoe; Wednesday 25, 2007: Protest against the choller problem again
A group of concerned citizens protested for the second time in a short period of time the inconvenience of chollers that according to them have increased enormously.
ORANJESTAD – A second protest march for Michael Saladin and against the choller problem took place on Monday afternoon. The march started in front of the court house and finished at the parliamentary building, where Chairman Mervin Wyatt-Ras accepted a petition from Eveline ‘Lienchi’ Merryweather, who led the protest march.
The first protest was more an expression of support for Saladin and this second one focused more on the inconvenience of the chollers. The protesters want the government to tackle this problem as soon as possible, by moving the relief center Dak riba Cabez elsewhere, away from the center of town.
The protesters are not sure whether this protest will help, because the problem with the chollers is too big, and it won’t go away by itself. But if nothing happens, the protesters will hit the street again. Nobody knows how many chollers are currently wandering the streets. The Centro di Informacion pa Asuntonan di Droga is since February busy inventorying. This is actually the first time that the number of chollers is being counted.
How many protesters have signed the petition is not known. The police say that there were more than 100 people at the start of the march and most of them have signed the petition right there. When she accepted the petition, Wyatt-Ras said that she “will communicate the concern of the protesters to the parliament members”. She emphasized that a solution for the problem is bigger than just tackling the inconvenience in the town center. It is more important to do more against the selling of drugs and more attention must be paid in the schools to prevent young people from using drugs at a young age.
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I understand that Joran’s book is 200 pages thick.
185 pages of DAH, UHH, HMM and 15 pages of bulls-t.
The index has only one letter to look up under …
L for LIAR.
It also has only one footnote:
My daddy got rid of Natalee.
There was a site referencing that Paulus was a Dutch Jew and I just deleted it from my favorites. I will try to find it.
Robert Thanks for all your time.
Prosecute the drug problem right in
front of your eyes, Aruba:
The drugging and date-rape of
American tourist Natalee Holloway
that most likely ended in her demise.
Hey SM How about focussing on your main person…Joran, who has published a book in Holland called “De Zaak Holloway” (The Holloway Case) and was on Dutch TV Promoting it.
http://dewerelddraaitdoor.vara.nl/terugkijken.php?id=313
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!
I agree, they need to get the drugs off their
streets. Keep their city safe. Educate their
children about the effects of drugs. Stop the
ever-flowing tide of drug addiction that leads
to unemployment, crime and homelessness…
But, when we are left
with a void,
can we find JUSTICE?
.
Boycott, Aruba!!!
Hey, Gabe,
SM is one step ahead of you and that interview
has already been posted and translated.
Joran forgot to include a complete TIMELINE in his book. Imagine that.
Have you told authorities everything you know?
Justice is the ONLY way to stop the boycott.
I keep reading where Anita says that the police confiscated her camera. Well since the only part of the Van der Sloot’s that was searched was Joran’s apartment, then it was removed from there. Does anyone know what kind of camera Anita is bitching about. Was it a still, digital or cam corder?
Here is the site I was referring;
http://tinyurl.com/yvqrwn
We invite everyone to look at the video of Joran and his new book entitled “De Zaak Natalee Holloway” (The Case Natalee Holloway) on our website http://www.aruba-zone.com!
By the way, all investigation documents are in the hands of the Dutch, where are all the answers? Thought someone told everyone that finally the Dutch Government is ready to open the case up, we are still waiting!
Justice 4 Natalee and all Arubians!
There is a Dutch Detective team right now in Aruba to re-investigate the case Holloway,They are fully independant from arubian police and nobody can say or do anythong to stop them from investigating what really happend. they where send from holland because they also think that some things where eighter forgotten or left out on behalf of the joran & calpoe brothers subject and we Arubiaans we do care about the case holloway so dont say we don’t if you don’t live in Aruba, it’s eazy to scream about this on your blog page, and we really hope this new episode in the investigation can bring things out that can bring justice to not only holloway but the Arubiaan people too..
and if lets say they find thing and finally justice is served,and the now in power currupted covernament is kicked out, will you help build back the old Aruba ?? the native friendly Aruba that it used to be??
RIGHT ON… Aruba Zone!
Absolutely…
I don’t think anyone here, honestly, thinks
it is every Arubians fault what happened to
Natalee.
We all need justice at this point, don’t you think?
IMO: Anita’s camera was taken to destroy evidence.
It would prove that Natalee had been taken to Joran’s apartment, who all was there and what finally happened to Natalee that was necessary for her to disappear.
I can see no other reason why Joran’s mother’s camera was confiscated by the police from Joran’s apartment.
P.S.
Gabe,
What is your personal theory of what happened to Natalee?
Please –no drowning or run-away scenarios–don’t insult our intelligence.
Do you think Joran is the main culprit?
“Shango” implied he wasn’t.
By the way, Gabe, did you know that Natalee planned on becoming a doctor?
She was going to spend her life helping others–children, in fact.
Well, Arubazone,
How about being vocal about your concerns to your own government.
It IS absolutely essential that the Dutch investigators solve Natalee’s case and deliver justice.
By the way, many of us think that the case was actually solved two years ago and then covered up.
If this case is closed, the American public will cry “foul” and see the obvious cover-up.
Then even more Americans will boycott. It has just begun.
Is it true that Hollywood is interested in making the movie ?
Angelone # 9 – I can’t speak for everyone, but we know that many, even most, of the folks on Aruba are decent and hard-working people.
Those of us who became interested in the Natalee Holloway case, and subsequently in Aruba itself, were simply left with no recourse other than supporting the tourist boycott.
I would like to out what happened to Natalee, and even better, get her remains back to the U.S. (Yes, I believe that she died that night.)
And I will never forget the deliberate campaign to trash her and her family. (That campaign even stooped to trash the Max DeVries family, too.) That was an eye-opening experience for me. That group needs its head on a figurative platter, too.
Put it this way: As long as things remain as they are on Aruba, we probably will remain as we are. If things change for the better, we probably would respond favorably.
And I extend every good wish to you personally, Angelone.
Hello, 1006!
Angelzone,
Thank you for posting.
The boycott isn’t about revenge and it isn’t an attempt to hurt
Arubans.
It is just a call to justice.
Natalee deserves it.
We demand it.
DWDD: But that you aren’t an easy guy is clear as well. A reckless guy… A bit of a strange guy… Who did strange things sometime…
Joran: Yes… yes…
DWDD: That is something that you wanted to write down as well?
Joran: No… Yes… Well not per se wanted…
DWDD: You wrote it down…
Joran: Yes everybody has his little secrets… That you rather keep private… And now uh I don’t have those little secrets no more…
—
The fact that he Gaydo and his father
used to dress up in Anita’s undies
when that dilapidated old moo-cow was away in Holland?
Whattttt, this is a big secret? -j4n
1906
That’s exactly what I think happened. But Anita stated that it was taken during a search of her house, which we know did not happen. This peaks my interest, thou, why would Anita bring the whole camera issue up, unless someone who was there that night would state that they used a camera at the sloots, but, oh now its gone?
correction: I mean “Angelone”
yes, there will be a movie, “pariahs of the caribbean” will be the title.
dennisintn
10061906:
I agree. The fact that she is making such a big deal
out of the camera missing may be that someone else has
the camera and it has incriminating evidence on it…
Maybe she’s trying to use the search as an excuse as
to where her camera is… creating an alibi for, even,
her own camera…
She SAYS that she took pictures of a “field trip” taken
by her “students” at the beach…
We can only GUESS what’s really on the film…
I found out the other day that there was a boy that had
found some condoms, duct tape, a strap from a swim suit
or halter top that had been cut, and a pair of PINK
panties at an area of the beach where teenagers
hang out on June 14, 2005…
Joran says Natalee’s panties were blue
Deepak says they were blue
Satish says they were blue
EVEN – Anita says they were blue…
What the ?!?!?!?!
Anita:
How is it that you know so much about the color of
Natalee’s panties, when you weren’t even on the
island when she went missing?
Go Figure!
Comment by Angelone | April 25, 2007, 10:27 am
I hope you’re right. It is a shame what the Aruban LE and PR and goverment has done to the Holloway family, Natalee and it’s own citizens.
DWDD: You are especialy a suspect because you’re the last one that saw her. And you told the police: Listen, I dropped her off at the hotel… We had a nightly encounter… A little affair… A little lovin’… After that I dropped her off at the hotel… That was not the truth… You did that because you wanted to portrait yourself somewhat better than you were… Cause you thought… Yes… When I tell them that I left her at the beach I look a bit like a bastard… I don’t want that… You later had to confess that lie… And so you made your first lie and then they thought… Well, we’ll have to see what this guy is all about?
Joran: Yes… Well that was not the only reason I lied. There were uhh much more reasons for that… For instance uhh… The night that I had gone out was an evening before a school-day and the next day at had school… And my parents didn’t even know that I was out, at all… And I had a girlfriend that time as well at Aruba… That off course is something that isn’t very nice either… If she finds out…
DWDD: That’s right… Maybe you didn’t know the seriousness of the delict untill then… But still as a reader you try to follow the reasoning in the book… And it’s rather easy to follow… I must say that… What I didn’t understand is that for a reckless guy like you are… Who was after girls a lot… And had relatively much succes with that… And you write very openly about that… At a certain point you end up with her at the beach… And she wanted that… She wanted to see the sharks… A loving-thing emerges there… And that should have led to sex…
Joran: Yes
DWDD: And then you say: Ho wait… I don’t have condoms with me… ???
Joran: Yes.., yes…
DWDD: It stoppes there!!!??? Then I thought… A guy who is that reckless… Who’s drank a lot…. With a girl that wants eagerly… That is a very courtious remark…. ???
Joran: Yes ahh… Yes that might sound strange
——
That isn’t just strange. It’s friggin’ stupid!
It is stupid because he is lying.
Joran is a liar, in addition to
being a cold blooded rapist
and a murderer.
Angelone,
If the appropriate steps are taken to put Paulus Van Der Sloot behind bars, I will back off of my position and support Aruba for doing the right thing.
Until that time, the gloves are off (up here in Minnesota that is hockey talk for ‘the fight is on’). I will support and encourage a boycott of your island until the corrupt fall.
I believe that once Aruba comes clean, throws the perps behind bars, disbars corrupt judges, fires corrupt ALE people that assisted, etc….Aruba will be able to quickly rebuild by fessing up that there was massive corruption and outlining the changes made to make the island safer for tourists. This is the kind of PR that needs to take place. Let those who sinned fall and give a big ‘mea culpa’. Follow our American polticians – fess up, go to treatment, declare you are a new man/woman, and be rewarded for your ‘courage’.
md
3. Gabriel Leo
.
Did the “powers that be” in the Natalee Holloway investigation ever request declarations from you, Alberto and Claudio regarding all that was said and done on the evening of May 30, 2005 and the morning of May 31, 2005 … following arrival of Natalee’s mother and stepfather on the the Island? If so … what was the interrogator’s reaction to the revelation that Deepak’s vehicle was observed inside the gate of the Van der Sloot’s property at the same time that Joran and Deepak were supposively at the Radisson.
.
Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE – October 3, 005
B. TWITTY: Luckily we were met at the airport by three Aruban citizens who were very helpful for us that night, and we went to the Holiday Inn.
.
Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE – October 3, 005
J. TWITTY: … one of the guys that helped us, with Universal Air, came running in and saying we`ve found him, we found the house, we found the car and everything, and Beth and I were just coming down. So we go and get two uniformed officers. We stopped at the police station.
.
Birmingham meeting – November 1, 2006
Questions presented to Beth Twitty
24. Was Deepak’s car seen inside the VDS compound?
BETH: Yes, Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge told me they had to climb the wall in order to write down the license number.
Credit: Debbie (BFN)
Gabe- maybe you didn’t see this when I posted it last week for you. So I’ll post it again.
What the Heck is this all about?
http://tinyurl.com/3xa2gd
HERE IS A FELLA WITH A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR!!!
DWDD: Youre now doing a study in the Netherlands… Maybe not coïncidental you don’t want to be at Aruba any longer… Will you ever return to Aruba?
Joran: I would love to go back to Aruba… For me Aruba is my house. Uh yes… I feel there….
DWDD: Oke it may be your house but you could say as well that I don’t want to be at that place again.
Joran: No I go back to Aruba with all pleasure. And the people of Aruba have always taken me in their arms and have supported me there… And that’s done me very good as well. And certainly for my family… Because my family… My father, mother and two younger brothers still live there.
DWDD: Do you feel…
Other guest: Are you allowed to travel because your still a suspect?
Joran: Yes, well no… I can travel where-ever I want… around the world…
Other guest: To the US as well?
Angelone:
I KNOW I would respond favorably.
There were several witnesses that came forward that were
either escorted off the island, put into assylums or were
simply ignored. There were several “dirty hands” that
participated in the cover up and they are the ones that
are responsible for the boycott.
The ones who covered up the crime against Natalee in the
interest of tourism, the Van der Sloots and their political
alies that made it possible for Natalee to disappear and
the investigating officers that destroyed the evidence are
the ones that I hold responsible.
Out of respect for Natalee and her family, and in the
interest of justice, I support the boycott… and I can,
honestly, say that once there is justice in Aruba, there
will be an end to the boycott. The family of Natalee
Holloway is neither hateful nor vindictive. There will be
peace in Aruba.
Here was the best part of the interview to me
of Joran Van der sloot the serial lying, rapist
murderer of Natalee Ann Holloway
ON HIS DUTCH BOOK TOUR!
Joran lies again talking live “on the fly.”
—– Interview Text:
Joran: Yes… That’s why…. Well, I am convinced she’s no longer at Aruba… That is something that… living or dead… That’s she is nowhere… uhhh…. Yes… is on Aruba… cause then she would have just been found (Comment by Robert: What must this person think of himself… Always lying and no longer being able to keep hanging on to the truth. It makes me sick only watching it.. Let alone….) Joran again: You can not think about this… how much searching has been going on there… And uhhh… How many people are interrogated…. And uhhh how big…. They have questioned everybody I have ever even met… I know what anybody I know thinks about me… Let me put it that way…
Other guest: So they’ll interrogate me too soon….?
Joran: I hope not… For you…
DWDD: Thanks for being here… Urine vander Ditch
—- end
He says just minutes before in the same interview
that he believes she is now in fact dead. Now he says
well, she might be living, but she’s not in Aruba…
she is NOWHERE!
Where I come from we call that “Tripping on your own d—.
This moron just doesn’t know when to shut his big mouth.
Which I am positive has been like a gift that keeps on
giving for all of Natalee’s loved ones.
—
Hey ROBERT OF OF THE NEDERLANDS, I simply cannot THANK YOU
enough for your great translation of URINE’S Interview!
>You ARE THE M-A-N.
I concur with you, buddy. Joran is a LIAR FOR SURE.
–
FURTHERMORE-
I also believe he attempted for all he’s worth to
rape Natalee, and wound up
murderering her.
…
His father is just as sick as he is, in my book!
He helped dispose of Natalee, and assisted his
rapist/murderer of a son in getting away with it. -j4n
Remember Beth had a feeling Natalee was at the sloots home the night her and Jugs came to Aruba. Deepaks car, there was question about if Natalee was in the car in the trunk that night.
Carpe: to the US, I’ll pitch in for his ticket to the US, maybe Alabama.
You all need to go to the Forum as they ( mostly Klaasend ) are posting some intersting translations regarding the reaction in the NL to Mr. Literary’s Book. ” I lie and that’s the trooth ! ”
He wants to come back to Aruba and open a business once his education is complete. Now, what do you think a suitable business would be for a PIMP ?
HI Patti;
Anita knows the color of Natalee’s underwear because Joran and her Husband left it laying around and it was found when she got back home from Holland. Anita is one lying sob also. And she claims she is an educator. WTF does she teach?
Did the police ever confirm or deny Anita’s statement that they took her camera? Could it be that the dear little sporter OR the daddy OR other PIMPS OR ALL OF THEM ran off with it, for what purposes we can only surmise … and that they put the idea in her mind (“Oh darn, can’t find your camera, Anita, those cops must have taken it” … and she couldn’t tell if she’s coming or going anyway)?
We’re all waiting and hoping to hear something from the Dutch investigators, or maybe that should be in quotes.
One thing is certain: they’re more likely to do the job than the Arubans ever will be.
I don’t mind if Arubans demonstrate against the chollers … but why aren’t they also speaking out for justice in the most famous case on their island?
And why aren’t WE speaking out?
Well, some people will be, in Miami this weekend. We confronted Aruba in Boston, and we will confront them again in Miami and wherever else they dare come begging for our business. And our cry will be BOYCOTT.
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
10061906:
There’s also a witness that says that he witnessed a rape and murder at the beach the night that Natalee disappeared. He says that he waited until the person was busy trying to get rid of her body, at which time, he took a couple things and ran.
Deepak, who reported in one of his statements that Joran told his best friend, Freddy, the truth about what happened that night… has told the investigators that if they want to know what happened to Natalee, all they have to do is ask Joran what happened to his shoes…
There is no doubt that it has been established Joran went home barefoot that night. There is no doubt that the investigators had a pair of shoes in their possession. There are countless questions addressed to Joran, both about what happened to his shoes that night as well as trying to establish what kind of shoes they were and what size shoe Joran wears.
I am of the opinion that this witness did, in fact, see someone raped and killed that night… and I can’t help but laugh as I picture the look on Joran’s face when he finds that someone had stolen his shoes and he was left barefoot to track his way, in the dark, over rocky terrain.
Ingenious, is the only word that I can come up with to describe this person. When I think about how the witness rendered this man helpless both in running after him to get his shoes back and in making a quick get-away, I have to laugh…
It is certain that Joran called his father to pick him up. But I’m not certain that he would have told his dad everything… besides, if he had, would Paulus, Joran or anyone else take the chance of trying to retrieve her body from where it was hidden with all the wire-tapping, surveillance and searching that was happening at the time?
I agree with you that there was alot of shuffling around done after she was removed from the rock area around the lighthouse, but, I am certain that this act of rape and murder was only committed by one person… the one that went home that night with scratches to his face, a black eye… and barefoot.
PRESS RELEASE – 4/25/2007 – SATIRE
ARUBA ANNOUNCES CHEAP VACATION PACKAGE IN ORDER TO LURE MORE AMERICAN TOURISTS AND THEIR DAUGHTERS TO CHOOSE ARUBA FOR THEIR NEXT…AND LAST…VACATION
ORANJESTAD, Aruba, Netherlands Antilles – With catastrophic year over year tourism numbers continuing to come in, the Aruban Hotel and Tourism Association (AHATA) has come up with a plan to make Aruba the destination of choice for those who are looking to pinch pennies.
Aruba plans to market a real life “Survivor” travel package that allows tourists to ‘roll the dice’ on their safety and also test their ability to outsmart many of Aruba’s predators.
“It hit all of us at AHATA when we saw the masses protesting the “Choller problem” on the island.” Stated Steve Cohen, AHATA’s spokesperson, “We could create a tourism package that allowed tourists to “Live with our chollers” on the beaches, in alleys, and at other desireable hangouts. In addition, the tourists can learn where to scrounge food, get free drugs, and even learn how to sell drugs to American youth outside of Carlos and Charlie’s”.
The “Adopt A Tourist” program will get our chollers to be productive in our society where they can protect the tourists and their daughters from being kidnapped, drugged, raped, and murdered by the Dutch elite on the island.
“As Arubans, we really need to embrace our chollers as an asset and as the first line of defense against the youth of the Dutch elite on our island.” continued Cohen, “We believe that this travel package will increase tourism by bringing in the ‘budget conscious’ traveler that we currently aren’t getting.”
In the meantime, Aruba has also negotiated a special program with all major airlines serving Aruba from the United States to provide $25 one-way tickets to Aruba. As evidenced in the Natalee Holloway case, a round trip ticket is not necessary to travel to Aruba. It is thought that the returning planes could be filled with ‘mules’ with cocaine filled balloons in their stomachs in order to improve Aruba’s exports and economy.
“When it really gets down to it, this program is about protecting tourists from being kidnapped, drugged, raped, and murdered on our island.” Cohen continued. “If our courts and law enforcement will not enforce and prosecute Paulus Van Der Sloot, Joran Van Der Sloot, and other predators for their crimes against tourists; we must utilize our other assets to show tourists we are a safe destination.”
Aruba is an island located 2 hours by plane south of Miami and just 17 miles north of Venezuala. If you are looking for a vacation that offers you sun, beaches, turqouise waters; chollars, rapists, drug dealers, peeping toms, petty theives, Deepak & Satish, Micheal Dompig, Paulus Van Der Sloot, Boeti; and where you can be kidnapped, drugged, raped, and murdered; come start your adventure on ‘One Happy Island’. We will help you have a good time! Visit our website at http://www.getkidnappeddruggedrapedandkilledinaruba.com. Book now…we are waiting for you!
xxx
MD
P.S. YES, this PR IS SATIRE and for the entertainment of Scared Monkeys readers to all of you legal types that want to cover-up what has transpired on Aruba with the Natalee Holloway case.
Gabe- maybe you didn’t see this when I posted it last week for you. So I’ll post it again.
What the Heck is this all about?
http://tinyurl.com/3xa2gd
Comment by Rob | April 25, 2007, 11:49 am
——
Hey Rob wasn’t Yolanda’s last name WEVER?
Yolanda Wever
the owner of the Momentomori Crematory in Aruba,
(related to Guido Wever
and Arlene Schippers)
that til’ this very day still
cannot account for death #0171 of the
year 2005.
http://tinyurl.com/hjryr
….
When did she become Yolanda Wever-Leo-Eugene?
Was there a shotgun wedding that I missed
in all the excitement? -j4n
After 2 years the trail is very cold and the individuals involved have destroyed all evidence. Will the new team find anything? Probably not. Have we all forgotten that the only demonstrations by the people of Aruba were against the victim and her family? The general populace on Aruba dare not to speak against the Van der Sloots and their powerful allies. They seem not to understand the direct link between their indifference and the economic consequences which they face. Now and in the future. If the populace would stand up my opinion would change. Sorry, Angelone, you appear to be a party of one.
What they can do is arrest the punks on rape. And lying to hinder the investigation. I bet Steve Croes would have alot more to say if he knew they would lock him in jail for 6 yrs for coming foward and lying.
So the populace is free to demonstrate if they so desire. They have even demonstrated on behalf of turtle eggs but they demonstrated AGAINST Beth, not once but twice.
Where were the demonstrations FOR Justice and for Natalee?
Instead they forced Beth to apologize for their crimes against her daughter under threat to stop the feeble investigation, such as it was.
The Dutch are only dealing with what the Arubans have given to them. In other words, zilch! Where is that belt, by the way?
.
Carpe Noctem- YES! that is affirmative. The same funeral home that has the crematorium. I just want to know if Gabe has a family financial interest in the outcome of Natalee’s case and if he is willing to set the record straight as to if his FAMILY is involved with a business that does in fact have a crematorium. So far he has been silent on this issue both times I posted it. It’s getting easy to draw a conclusion here. Maybe Gabe is busy in class today or flying down 95 at 95 mph…LOL..I think the three names are for the three people that are associated with the business. Yolanda Wever, someone with the last name Leo, and someone with the last name Eugene.
So what is the truth here Gabe?
Maybe someone has the letter Yolanda Wever wrote about a year and a half ago denying any association with a crematorium. We all know she wanted it and advocated for it’s approval on Aruba do to the limited above ground burial. In the letter she denies she OWNS it. Well, parse her words and it could mean her husband owns it.
HONK IF YOU ARE
GOON-TARDED.
http://tinyurl.com/2eeobb
….
Justice 4 Natalee
Boycott Aruba!
“We rally ’round the family.”
The family of the victim in the case.
There was only
one, and it was Natalee.
Kat
I thought he was going to medical school with Dompig, someone said Joran was going to be a anesthesiologist
Carpe:
The security guards were, certainly, victims of the crime against Natalee along with every other person that has either been harrassed, deported, framed, ignored, committed or murdered in an attempt to keep what happened to her that night a secret… and the crimes committed by the ones responsible continue to mount.
I’m not shutting my eyes
or covering my ears,
nor am I refusing to speak.
There will be justice in Aruba, trust me.
I’m wondering if Aruba has considered CLOSING the BEACHES altogether. It seems very dangerous to go there. You could just magically disappear. Wouldn’t the prudent solution be to just close them all?
It seems like an isolated incident, but maybe it’s not. If they have identified a place this dangerous, they should really close them. Or are the beaches only dangerous when Joran is in town?
BTW does the sign on the front page here say
Send the chollers to nederlands?
What’s up with this???
Everyone remember Rammstein posting his real name? It’s the same name as this guy with the Hilton Hotels Corp!
Is there is a family connection? Is “Ramm” this guy’s son?? Ramm claims to be in the Netherlands where this dude lives.
Ramm – care to enlighten us?
Boycott Watch Exposes Hilton Official as Aruba Anti-boycott Advocate, Stealth Campaign Exposed. – April 24, 2007
http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/aruba6.htm
PETER VAN DER VLIET
Hotel Online Special Report – September, 2003
http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2003_3rd/Sep03_GlobalUpdate.html
Peter Van Der Vliet is taking over from Bart Van De Winkel, as Vice President Hilton International Benelux and General Manager Hilton International Brussels. Van Der Vliet, a 39-year (!) Hilton International veteran, was most recently the Regional Vice President Hilton International Mediterranean Region, and General Manager Athens Hilton International.
PETER VAN DER VLIET
Hilton Hotels Corporation – May 15, 2006
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=88577&p=irol-newsArticleOther&ID=859539&highlight=
Hilton The Hague
Peter van der Vliet, Vice President Benelux Hilton International, stated: “The Randstad is the administrative and economic heart of the Netherlands and it is particularly gratifying to expand our presence alongside key locations such as Amsterdam, Schiphol and Rotterdam bringing the operating know-how of the world’s foremost hotel operator to a city with such a long tradition in diplomacy and hospitality. This opening fits perfectly with our ambition to develop the presence of our brands in The Netherlands and the Benelux in the premium and mid markets.”
Sorry for the interruption Monkeys. Carry on!!
WHO-RU,
Interesting find.
I would like to know also.
3. Gabriel Leo
.
Did the “powers that be” in the Natalee Holloway investigation ever request declarations from you, Alberto and Claudio regarding all that was said and done on the evening of May 30, 2005 and the morning of May 31, 2005 … following arrival of Natalee’s mother and stepfather on the the Island? If so … what was the interrogator’s reaction to the revelation that Deepak’s vehicle was observed inside the gate of the Van der Sloot’s property at the same time that Joran and Deepak were supposively at the Radisson.
Carpe Noctem- YES! that is affirmative. The same funeral home that has the crematorium. I just want to know if Gabe has a family financial interest in the outcome of Natalee’s case and if he is willing to set the record straight as to if his FAMILY is involved with a business that does in fact have a crematorium. So far he has been silent on this issue both times I posted it. It’s getting easy to draw a conclusion here. Maybe Gabe is busy in class today or flying down 95 at 95 mph…LOL..I think the three names are for the three people that are associated with the business. Yolanda Wever, someone with the last name Leo, and someone with the last name Eugene.
So what is the truth here Gabe?
Comment by Rob | April 25, 2007, 2:16 pm
Cmon Gabe..Be a Man and answer a question for once..We have answered all of yours!! You pretend to be a good guy in all of this..Lets see it!!
Yikes! Read the post about Ramm. Isn’t he the dude that is in love with his cat?
So this could be THAT Ramm? Holy shit!! And Robin Holloway beleives in this person? Unreal!
Nice post WHO.
Wanted to add in, I meant to say Rammstein, the poster on blogs???
Yes Ramm.. can you enlighten everyone? TIA
41 AND 50:
Paulus van der Sloot was instrumental in pushing through the legal paperwork to establish a crematorium in conjunction with the Momentori Funeral Home on Aruba owned by Yolanda Wever. This was about three years ago.
It has been stated of Paulus; “if anyone knows how to get rid of a body, Paulus does”.
Paulus worked for eight years in the Ministry of Justice Prosecutor’s Office.
Who knows what deviant contacts he has made?
He has every means, contacts and motive to carry out a disappearing deed.
“No body no case”
“I would do anything to protect my son”: from anyone finding out what happened.
“How can I do this to my best friend’s son”. (Jan van der Stratten)(Prosecute?)
Everyone that ran interference from the Justice Ministry, Paulus knows from his days in the Prosecutor’s Office.
A 2X4 TO THE HEAD IS NOT NECESSARY to establish that this case has been a cover up from Day One. If it were only the Kalpoes involved they would have been hung after a two day trial. But the judge’s son and many other pimps are also involved.
Duck and cover duck and cover.
http://mementomori.net/
Examine the logo and what do you see. You see the Jackel, the two columns, the fallen column, the pyramid and the tile floor. Where have you all seen these before?
I’m probably the only one stuck on stupid if no one else can interpret what I see.
When you eliminate the impossible, what remains must be the truth.
By the way; the crypts broken into belonged to the families of WEVER and ODUBER
Joran: ‘I still lie’
April 25th, 2007
By Harrie Nijen Twilhaar
AMSTERDAM – Joran van der Sloot, who calls himself a pathological liar, still believes in his own innocence.
“The biggest
mistake I have made in my life was leaving Natalee Holloway alone on the beach. She lay beside me in the sand, we touched each others bodies”.
At that moment I thought: “We are not going to have actual sex, I have trial exams tomorrow and I just want to go home. Leave her there if she wants to, is what I thought. She can easily walk back to the hotel. Deal with it yourself, I did not even like her”. Joran even admits that he would have rather had had sex with Natalee’s friend Ruth….
He keeps adamantly denying that he has anything to do with the mysterious disappearance of the American student. “I am still the main suspect, lied about that night on the beach, but didn’t lay a hand on her/did not hurt her”.
The disappearance of the then 18 year old American student Natalee Holloway on Aruba, nearly two years ago, has hurt him psychologically/mentally enormously. “I hate msyelf for having lied that much. About everything. The bad thing however is that I still lie every day. It is easy for me to do. Even after all of it”.
He is very open and up front about it: “I thought he world revolved around me. That is why I kept quiet about the truth of what happened that night with Natalee. That was stupid. That evening on the beach I had sex with her and left her there alone. I did not even know her name”.
I ought to be in constant care for my lying, but I am too stubborn to be counseled. I am being compared in the US to O.J. Simpson, he boasts.
Treatment
His parents had tried to get him to see a child psychologist even before the disappearance. “I did not get along with my little brother. I had issues. But I didn’t like the go to the psychologist to get treated”.
The second year student of the Higher School of Arnhem and Nijmegen is very confident about himself. He does not want to be portrayed as a killer. He is taking a degree in International Business Management in his birthplace of Arnhem. “In due course I want to start my own business on Aruba. That is my home country”.
Today his autobiography is released about the case of the Amercan girl, but who made it to all international newsmedia. “I wrote it like a diary. Not to prove my innocence but more as a way to deal with it for myself.
Alcohol
On May 30th 2005, the blond tourist disappears without a trace after having intensely spending a part of the night with the very tall Van der Sloot having had sex with him and having consumed a good quantity of alcohol. “She wanted more, but I had not condoms on me. Then she briefly fell asleep”.
Several hours before the amorous heavy petting on the beach he is living it up with his friends, the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe and several American college women, among them Natalee. That happens at the black jack table of the Excelsior
Casino, part of the Holiday Inn Hotel. Natalee keeps insisting that she wants to go with the boys. “I had told her that I had a trial exam the next day”.
But he relents to the girls pressure. He gets picked up from his house by the “pimped up” Honda Civic of Deepak Kalpoe. “I want to see sharks” Natalee says. The duo is dropped off by Joran’s friends at the fishermans huts. He reveals all of the sexual details. That he fondled her breasts and private parts, but not even knew her name. “We were fondling each other’s bodies. In total we met for about three hours. But I would have much rather liked to have had sex with her friend Ruth. She was much prettier”.
Van der Sloot, who is arrested shortly thereafter, lies about just about everything in the days that follow. With his friends, the brothers Kalpoe the concocted a story after they found out that the blond American has gone missing without a trace. “Why we decided to lie about what happened that night? I had not other option, they had targeted me as the guilty person from the get go if I had come clean”.
The new sweetheart
The suspect in this highly covered case was barely back on dutch soil before he cheated on his then time new girlfriend. The relation was over in a couple of months. “Luckily I now have a girlfriend who believes in me completely. I will never cheat on her. She, by the way, has not read my book yet..”
He has grown sick and tired of the American media. “The daily reports about the Holloway case gave the big news networks high ratings.” Also the fact that Aruba faced a economic boycott because of the disappearance and the suggestion of a cover-up, doesn’t bother him anymore.
However, he for now doesn’t feel brave enough to set foot on US soil. “I think that Natalee’s mother cannot keep in check her feelings of hatred. The family still describes me as a criminal, a lethal and corrupt person”.
-end
Translation by:
PETER VAN DER VLIET
copy/paste
from: BSFNBDP
Gabe,
If you want to be a good guy, a big guy, then you need to do
more than just tell off Joran at a bowling alley.
How about some answers to pertinent questions?
Also, Please tell authorities all that you know.
It is the right and BIG thing to do.
What a lovely place to visit.. clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you..
He still lies everyday he says, but his new gf believes in him and and he says, he would never cheat on her..what an oxyMORON.. Hey wait is that a lie or the truth?????
Is anyone here reading the book, or do we have to rely upon those at RU? They tend to put a slant on most things.
10061906:
I am somewhat of a mind reader and I think I know what you
mean. It took me a while. But, it finally dawned on me.
You find those things on a dollar bill. But, I’m still
not sure what you’re getting at. If I remove all those
things, we are left with the eye? Is that it?
Are you saying that this has something to do with the
Masons or that the owners of the funeral home are masons?
Is that what you’re saying? That’s the only thing that
I can figure out by your comment. But, I, honestly don’t
know what you mean. Maybe I’m stuck, too…
Smiles
#46, with the precedents set in the last 2 yrs., i wouldn’t think any sexual predators would be deterred by fear of the a.l.e. doing anything to them. natalee’s case is still unresolved, l6yr. old students get gang-raped in their own school and the rapists go home and are asked politely to refrain from putting their cellphone pics of the rape on the internet, it sounds like a predator’s paradise to me. i don’t think natalee ever saw the beach alive that night anyway. i just don’t think you could expect justice for anything that happened to you on the happy island. if you’re an american tourist, you’re going to have your reputation blackened, and you’re going to be blamed for whatever happened and expected to leave your cash, shut up, go home, and get over it. if you survive, that is.
dennisintn
48. WHO-RU
.
Ramm … say it isn’t so.
.
Janet aka Tamikosmom
Mike, I’m not reading it. I’ve already read enough. Nothing changed for me.
59 Patti opens a babylonian window on the arawak nation.
I just want to know if he trips up in the book, or implicates anyone else. The “3 hours” was a pretty good one in the interview.
What ever happened to the hotel manager that had all the date rape drug to use and sell? Was that legal? How about the school boy rapists with pic’s? Where the girl had to leave school to get away from them? Were they not arrested?
How about that lying Steve Croes freak? Did Aruba say anything bad about him I think not.
Furthermore Aruba where the hell is Justice for Natalee?
Don’t pitch for Aruba to me until you start arresting and making some police actions! I would not give you an answer on Aruba’s future on if’s, thats ludicrous. Its for sure you are going down at present rate and do my best to that end.
Rusty Ramm has been outtie’d?
Jurine says: Natalee is NOWHERE
Anita and Paulus are totaly clueless but tell me someone please! Why Aruban Officials allow Jurine to do this book? This is why you know there is no one there that Jurine is afraid of including drug lords, for if there were, and they wanna get back to business as usual they would use that *fear* (yeah right) and tell Jipshit to STFU already!
62 – me either, Rob.
Ya might as well hand a rapist/murderer 20 dollars.
59 – http://tinyurl.com/ytpumy
*One small note when comparing
yourself to O.J. Simpson, Joran.
O.J. Simpson was a one time a football hero!
O.J. killed Nicole, and FELL FROM GRACE.
You had absolutely nothing to FALL FROM!
You were a lying-murdering-raping
NO GOOD Van der sloot…
and you still are one.
You are nothing!
—
It is also wild to see how much love you show to
the Arubans that rallied around you, when
most would not stand within
six feet of you.
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“I don’t care that they Boycott Aruba anymore.”
WTF!?!?
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ROFLMAO… like we really ever thought you cared
for anything more than yourself
>ANYWAY.
You are so TRANSPARENT.
Again, I can’t tell you this enough.
>You are NOTHING, Joran.
I don’t think Natalee’s wonderful family is your main
worry in the USA, man. I mean, I know you are OBSESSED WITH NATALEE’S
MOMMA and appear to have a mega
throbbing PURPLE hard-on for her,
>you mention her LIKE, ONLY IN…
E-V-E-R-Y T-V A-P-P-E-A-R-A-N-C-E
YOU HAVE EVER DONNNNNE…
Do you even realize that?
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I MEAN,
WHAT IS UP? I think ya need a shrinkie-doo
to take a deeper look at THAT problem!
My own theory is that Natalee and her mom
are very pretty & you are
having emotional transgressions about the fact that
your own mother is a dirty, lying, little filthy
piggly wig. Basically, a GARDEN GNOME GONE WRONG
that always looks just like
she just got dressed in the middle of
an F5 HURRICANE!
Hence,
the need to lash out at Natalee’s mother.
Natalee’s mom is a smart, attractive, articulate, well put together woman.
You want someone like her, and you know deep down
that you do not deserve it. Someone that nice would
not want anything to do with a sh–ball such as yourself.
Just like Natalee wanted nothing to do with you,
that is why she is not with us today.
That makes Joran-stein A-N-G-R-Y!!!!
Doh! There goeth the EVIL
CIRCULAR CYCLE AGAIN!
—–
>now back to the show.
—–
…but I think your main worry Joran, is everyday “Joe Blow
Average Americans.” The people who have watched you murder
an innocent American Daughter, and appear to walk free of
charges, or anything even resembling law.
Those Americans would be the ones
I’d be most worried about, Joran!!!
The people who you meet in “everday humdrum life”
who, WHILE THEY MAY NOT SAY ANYTHING TO YOU
AT FIRST, would love nothing more than to rip
your big goon sized head off of your shoulders
and spit down the hole that
is left behind. =)
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HAVE A NICE DAY!
-j4n
#9 Angelone: We wish that Arubans who do care about the Natalee Holloway case would speak up more. Occasionally we have Aruban trolls here who simply tell us to “get over it” – it isn’t going to happen.
The one thing you can take back to Arubans as a sure thing is that IF and when the Natalee Holloway case is “solved” (in other words that truth that many of your officials already know comes out), there won’t be anything to boycott. There really won’t be anything to write about. So the negative publicity will certainly be over. You can take that to the bank.
However, to get Americans to really come back to Aruba, Aruba needs to show us that:
1) the preps in the Natalee Holloway case have been properly punished.
2) Those that covered up are also punished
3) Aruba takes steps to ensure that tourists are safe and IF something does happen, it will be quickly dealt with in a proper way instead of covered up.
4) I believe the Holloway and Twitty families deserve a heart felt apology for all the extra garbage they’ve been put through in attempts to cover up what really happened to Natalee.
Those serious about the recovery of Aruba need to really push for these things to happen.
http://travel.msn.com/guides/showreview.aspx?destinationid=1&parentid=10039880&wa=wsignin1.0&trrtu=1
See Aruba, I don’t think you are paying attention….
Comment by Miss-Underestimated | April 25, 2007, 4:31 pm
1906 you r the man….keep the posts going. Anita is an art teacher…does that course include the art of lying?
10061906:
Okay… so I opened a window. Smart girl, huh? That doesn’t mean that I want to peek inside. I don’t live in a fantasy world. There is no evidence that Natalee was gang raped in some rave. And… there is no evidence that she took X either. The only “evidence” that there was any drug use, on the part of Natalee, comes from the mouth of the Devil, himself. I’m sure that if Natalee had had a choice, knowing what would happen to her, she WISHES that she would have been lucky enough to be going in and out of consciousness!
Shango is nothing more than a mystery writer that lived out his fantasies by typing his thoughts on raves, parties, sex and drugs on a computer. It’s great entertainmnet… but I don’t see any truth in it. The only truth that I get out of it is that we are in the third act, with our backs up against the wall and some Dutch investigators in Aruba that would probably throw us all in our own private in-sane assylums if we came at them with some theory based on a man that feeds the Gods every five minutes.
I don’t mean to be rude, but we have enough to deal with by looking into what really happened, rather than chasing lions that may or may not exist in someone’s mind. I believe in the real people, like witnesses. And, I live in the here and now, not in some ancient city of Babel, where little was said and and even less was understood. It is nothing more than a literary work, in my mind… nothing more, nothing less.
We aren’t dealing with a group of men that lit the fire. We are dealing with a psychopath. Shango says he’s a scape goat. Well, if all that were true, those lions would have given him up a long time ago. He’d be dead my now… and the truth would have died with him.
The writings of that man has not been a blessing, if anything, they’ve been detrimental to the case of Natalee Ann Holloway. As we have spent countless time looking at every single person arrested for questioning as a possible co-conspirator. ALE has thrown nearly every kid on that island at us, knowing the whole time that there was only one reason Natalee was dead…
Paulus would love for us to light the fires, beat on the drums and do the Shango while the murderer of Natalee Ann Holloway is going on with his life, going to college and living the life that Natalee had always dreamed of.
Great reading, though!
The Vander Sloots should google this:
Sanchita Karma……your destiny
Remember Beth had a feeling Natalee was at the sloots home the night her and Jugs came to Aruba. Deepaks car, there was question about if Natalee was in the car in the trunk that night.
Comment by Miss-Underestimated | April 25, 2007, 12:29 pm
To Miss-Underestimated,
Jug tried to get the policeman to search the car, but he would not. I think you are right Natalee was in the trunk. I’m thinking dead, but possible not. What would you have done? Jug said looking back, he would not have let them drive off.
Jerry
http://www.mementomori.net/05137.html
Does anyone know this lady? What she did? Why she died?
Jerry
Joran no longer cares about the boycott of Aruba.
That’s what he said/wrote.
“… because of the vanishing and suggested coverup (they?) wanted to boycott the island economically DOESN’T BOTHER HIM ANYMORE NOW.”
(JVDS, from his book tour TV interview …)
HEAR THAT, ARUBA?
No, I am not now nor have I ever been family of that Peter van der Vliet. I have never even set foot in a Hilton Hotel all of my life. To be honest, the only hotel in the Benelux that I have ever been in was 1 night at a hotel in Zeebrugge (Belgium) when I was 15 or so, it was a school trip of 2 days of which we spent 1 day in a hotel (low cost) and 1 in a youth hostel. I have been to one other hotel in my life besides that, when our company was taken over by a British firm (6 years ago) we were bussed to their headquarters near Oxford, quite posh (poshest hotel I had ever been too but as I have only been to 2 that choice is not that difficult) but it had nothing to do with a big fancy chain of hotels like Hilton).
To be honest. In the past 25 years I have been on 5 vacations, three with school (Belgium, Belgium and London) and two times in a chalet type house in the Netherlands (Port Zeelande and somewhere near Oudenbosch).
So no, I have no “link to the tourism industry” or have big wig family members called Peter van der Vliet who live about 150 miles away, I also don’t have family in that area. I have only a very small family and we all live locally (except my sister).
I am a simple administrative employee (part-time) who works for a transport/express delivery service as a temp employee. Any likeness in name is as far as it goes.
Anyway, van der Vliet is my mom’s name, not the name of my a$$hole father.
Isn’t it interesting that Saddam Hussein was found hiding in a sloot?
Saddam had some Joran-a-likes (Uday, and Qusay) he referred to them as good sons.
Jerry
75. Waterboy (Jerry)
AN ANQUISHED STEPFATHER
Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 19, 2005
TWITTY: I think he’s going to get down there and start asking questions. I mean, there are so many things that went wrong in the beginning. And probably people know by now, Beth said the other night, we had an agent there on the ground when we got there with a chaperone, and we didn’t find out until two days ago that this is an American – I think he was a DEA agent. I think he was just there vacationing, though. But anyway, he helped us that night, and he also waited and said, Wait before you go to the judge’s house. I want to go with you.
And I find out two days ago that the Aruban authorities never took this man’s statement. Beth and I are going, It’s unbelievable. But you know what? They didn’t take my statement until 30 days later, and I sat there and talked to the man for two hours, and his son. And they didn’t take any of the statements from the people that were there. I probably had seven people in my so-called search party that night that we hit the ground, and it took them 19 days to take their statements.
So you know, if I had it all to do over again, Greta, when we got to that judge’s house that night, we would have taken – we had three vans. I would have blocked that car in, and if I didn’t think, you know, that the police were going to do anything the next morning, I would have parked those cars there and let them tow them away until I could open that car, open that trunk and look in that silver car the next morning.
http://www.mementomori.net/05137.html
Does anyone know this lady? What she did? Why she died?
Jerry
Comment by Waterboy (Jerry) | April 25, 2007, 10:23 pm
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No, and why should we specifically care about this lade and how she died?
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http://tinyurl.com/2jtk24
http://tinyurl.com/2oe4r5
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CASE COUNTDOWN IN ARUBA
# OF DAYS REMAINING
http://tinyurl.com/32jamk
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DAYS NATALEE HOLLOWAY
HAS BEEN MISSING OR DEAD
http://tinyurl.com/2nmatm
>
timeanddate.com
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http://tinyurl.com/3X2gad
-j4n
RAMM..
SO I guess you are saying then you are NOT this same man?
Sorry you call your dad an asshole, must be some hurt feelings there? None of my business.. but seemed kind of odd that your name is the same as in the aritcles in the posters WHO~RU’s post.
Can you see why folks might wonder about yah? Not being rude..
Wednesday, April 25, 2007
SUSPECT STATUS
I am often asked, when will the suspects be released from SUSPECT STATUS in the Natalee Holloway Case? Will they all be released on 5-30-2007 / 5-31-2007, two years from when the crime occurred?
According to the information I have researched, the SUSPECTS are released two years TO THE DAY THEY WERE DETAINED OR ARRESTED.
Mickey John and Abraham Jones were detained / arrested on 6-5-2005. They will be the first to be released on 6-5-2007. I fully expect they will be released. They had no INVOLVEMENT in the CRIMES AGAINST NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
Joran Van Der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were detained / arrested at 5:30 – 6 PM on 6-9-2005. They will be released no later than 6 PM on 6-9-2007.
Steve Croes was detained / arrested on 6-17-2005. He will be released on 6-17-2007.
Steve Croes’ role has never been totally defined. Questions still remain about what he did or knows.
Lorenzo Van Rijn was detained / arrested / questioned on 6-19-2005. He will be released on 6-19-2007. It is not known if he was in fact arrested or just questioned or was going to be a scape-goat for the ALE due to his reputation as a Hell Raiser. Too much still unknown about his role or lack there of.
Paulus Van Der Sloot was detained / arrested on 6-23-2005. He has already been released from SUSPECT STATUS AGAINST THE LAW. Paulus Van Der Sloot should have remained a SUSPECT until 6-23-2007.
Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis was detained / arrested on 8-26-2005. He will be released on 8-26-2007. It is not completely known if he was detained / arrested in connection with the CRIMES AGAINST NATALEE HOLLOWAY, or was detained / arrested in a completely different matter. He was released on 9-2-2005. He will be released from SUSPECT STATUS on 8-26-2007. That is predicated on the fact the he was detained on charges against Natalee Holloway. That is not known.
Geoffery Van Cromvoirt was detained / arrested on 4-15-2006. He WAS arrested in connection with the CRIMES AGAINST NATALEE HOLLOWAY. He will be released on 4-15-2008.
Guido Wever was detained / arrested on 5-20-2006 in the Netherlands. He was released after three days on 5-23-2006. He will be released from SUSPECT STATUS on 5-20-2008. Guido Wever was detained / arrested on charges related to the CRIMES AGAINST NATALEE HOLLOWAY. In fact he had the most serious charges of all the suspects leveled against him. Charges include, but not limited to – HEAVY BATTERY and MURDER.
An interesting caveat to the complex legal status of the SUSPECTS is the fact that the Kalpoes were re-arrested on 8-26-2005 and could theoretically remain SUSPECTS until 8-26-2007. As I mentioned earlier, it is not known if the charges against Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis are separate or part of the case of Natalee Holloway. The Kalpoes were detained with Freddy Zedan-Abrambatzis in connection with that incident. Those charges seems to be filming underage girls in compromising positions. Also, a charge of sexually assaulting an unconscious person appears to be part of the package.
Another interesting aspect of this confusing area of Dutch Law, is the Kalpoe Brothers could remain suspects beyond the 6-9-2007 release date due to the fact they were RE-ARRESTED on 8-26-2005. The last person seen with Natalee Holloway, by his own admission, could be free and clear while those that played an accessory role will remain suspects. I have not been able to get an answer to this question.
Of course this is all predicated on the fact that the Aruban Authorities COULD release everyone from SUSPECT STATUS on 6-9-2007 and declare it a cold case. They BROKE this STATURE when Prosecutor Karin Jansen released Paulus Van Der Sloot BEFORE the two year limit. They could do it all again.
Also NOT known are the roles played by Michael Dompig and ‘AB’. Michael Dompig seems to have been detained / arrested for lying about the role played by Geoffrey Van Cromvoirt and it is not known if he remains a SUSPECT in the Natalee Holloway case.
Michael Dompig’s STATUS is unknown.
**Although I believe I know the identity of person ‘AB’, I will not name him in case I am not correct.
Posted by Zoltan at 8:42 AM 0 comments
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reposted
Re: #7. I don’t know very much about Aruban law, but in this country, an item which might have some bearing on an investigation can be seized even if it is not within the area specifically covered by the search warrant so long as it is in “plain sight.” My guess is that Dutch/Aruban law is similar, and that’s how they got Anita’s camera. I saw her on Nancy Grace’s show talking about how she had some stuff on it that she needed for the art class she teaches and begged the police to let her download the stuff that was on it and show them what was there in lieu of seizing it, but they took it anyway.
JUSTICE VOOR NATALEE!!! =)~
http://tinyurl.com/323b2n
#
Isn’t it interesting that Saddam Hussein was found hiding in a sloot?
Saddam had some Joran-a-likes (Uday, and Qusay) he referred to them as good sons.
Jerry
Comment by Waterboy (Jerry) | April 25, 2007, 10:52 pm
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Saddam Hussein was found in a tiny cellar at a farmhouse about 15km (10 miles) south of his hometown Tikrit.
quote from BBC News
And a cellar last time I looked has nothing to do with a sloot
RAMM..
SO I guess you are saying then you are NOT this same man?
Sorry you call your dad an asshole, must be some hurt feelings there? None of my business.. but seemed kind of odd that your name is the same as in the aritcles in the posters WHO~RU’s post.
Can you see why folks might wonder about yah? Not being rude..
Comment by Angiex911 | April 26, 2007, 12:17 am
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Not really, the man in the article says the man is a 39-year Hilton veteran meaning he has been working there for 39 years. I am 38 years old. No way was I going to be this person.
And in a country of more than 16 million people there will be more than just 2 Peter van der Vliet’s.
However, he for now doesn’t feel brave enough to set foot on US soil. “I think that Natalee’s mother cannot keep in check her feelings of hatred. The family still describes me as a criminal, a lethal and corrupt person”.
(end of quote)
Hey, Joran, you and your daddy DID step on American soil, remember? And you were served papers to appear before a court. Maybe that’s the reason you don’t dare step on U.S. soil.
And the Holloway Twitty family don’t have a good opinion of you … my, my, what an injustice. Do you know anyone who does?
Patti (#69) … You may be right that the “boycott Aruba” furor will subside when and if that one sorry island (oops, sorry: the slogan is, ‘One HAPPY island’) takes action in Natalee’s case. But if the Dutch do their job, a lot more stuff might come out of the woodwork.
Aruba reminds me of what you see when you’re out in the woods on a damp day and you turn over a big rock.
Lots of creepy things in there that are hiding from the light. Who knows what more will be turned up. Maybe even something about Amy Lynn Bradley will be found out.
We can only hope.
Meanwhile, the operating message remains the same … boycott Aruba! Stand up for Natalee in Miami this weekend!
cartoon is to F__ ing funny!
3 hours at the beach?
They leave C-n-C’s around 1:00am, go by Joran’s house and then to the lighthouse area. Kalpoes drop them off near the Marriott and go home. When did Satish supposedly go back to pickup Joran?
If they went directly to the beach from C-n-C’s, 3 hours would make it 4:00am when Joran started looking for a ride home. Hmmmm, where have I heard that time before?
“He admits that he didn’t even know her name and had preferred making love to her friend Ruth, who was much prettier.”
WTH! Ruth better count her lucky stars! Jughead would have rather raped HER and then dumped HER body in the ocean. That has got to be a warm, fuzzy feeling!!!!!!
URINE I wish he would get the creeping crud. he is so revolting, its disgusting. What a sick piece of $hit….
The state dept said that since there were very few attacks on AMERICANS in 06 on that VILE island, they couldnt say to stay away. I told him this will happen again. What if instaed of Natalee it was Bush’s daughter that went missing… then what????Im so sickover this. Dont think for a minute I am not BOYCOTTING SATANS ISLAND..Filthy pigs. I hope the island sinks or they eliminate that perverted family of the DITCH.
To Patti (the panties thing)
The blue panties thing is interesting. If Joran said they were blue, and Anita and Paulus said they were blue, then they were probable not blue. (This is just hedging on the character of the bunch).
Now I don’t know much about ladies panties. I know my wife has some of every color. I do know when we get ready to go some where she usually buys new ones. Me? I don’t care. I wear them till they disappear, and not of my own doing (makes me mad as the dickens) or if worse comes to worse, I don’t absolutely have to wear any (makes my wife mad as the dickens).
Beth would know. I’ll bet Natalee had some of every color, pink, blue, yellow, and I guess that’s about all I can think of. Anyway, Beth would know. She probable knows how many of each color, and she probable knows which are missing. She also knows if Joran says they were blue, they were probable not blue. If he says pink, they were probable not pink.
This is just an observation.I know it goes off the deep end of boring.
Jerry
I am having some issues here with Joran’s book.
In the FP about his book, his book company/editor/writer had access to police files? WTF, the case isn’t closed, how’d they get to do that? I really wonder how did that happen and why? Seems there is one set of rules in Aruba, the “Dutch Elite Rules”
Can someone answer that for me?
Saddam Hussein was found in a tiny cellar at a farmhouse about 15km (10 miles) south of his hometown Tikrit.
To Rammstein,
Sorry Charlie, but sloot is dutch for pit. Look it up.
Pit a sizeable hole (usually in the ground); “they dug a pit to bury the body”.
in Nederlands: sloot,gat, hol, holte, kuil, put, gracht, greppel, groef, groeve.
Jerry
To Rammstein,
van der Sloot literally means from the pit, or from the grave, or from hell.
Jerry
.ummm Mike Too, #92….
You need to expand a little more when you describe things. It should be that jughead would have liked to “kidnap, drug, rape and murder her too.”
COLD CASE COVER-UP COUNTDOWN: 34 days….how ’bout it Dutch investigators….have you retracted Karin’s letter yet or just letting the clock run out? Paulus is your perp.
md
#95 – Have no fear! Joran has a team of researchers supplying info for that book. Only problem is that they are getting their info at FOB. lol
Patti: You really have to slow down a little and try to look at this case realistically.
You can call all those involved with Natalee’s disappearance every name in the book and that is not going to solve anything. You have to try and take emotions out of your thinking process. I know we would all like to get involved and get to the bottom; but IMO it is not going to happen. I told Beth over a year and a half ago that unfortunately Natalee had probably crossed over and that she would never find out what happened nor have Natalee’s body returned. That the best that she could do was to set up a memorial in Natalee’s name so that the world would never forget her.
Shango IMO was probably Robert Wayne Benson. When you key in the word biker the thesaurus kicks back; “MESSENGER, COURIER, DISPATCH RIDER.
IMO the messengers were the dispatched motorcycle cops on Aruba. They had information concerning Natalee and in the course of conversation when they brought their bikes in for repair, passed that information to Mr. Bensen; who was a motorcycle mechanic. He was found locked in a storage shed. Locked from the inside and outside. Cause of death, Natural causes? No burial was ever mentioned. He was an ex-patriot from the mid west and knew all the jargon about Cowboys and Indians wampum: etc.
I believe he was trying to collect the reward to get off the Island and he was eliminated.
We can surmise what happened to Natalee but because of the close knit society and dictatorship on Aruba no one off shore will ever know what happened and even if us posters guessed correctly what action do you think will be taken. IMO none. We have to advertise that Aruba is not a safe place to travel and we have to embarrass the Dutch. How we do that I do not know. But they should not be the headquarters for the World Court in The Hague.
IMO our best chance of finding out would be to get the Kalpoes to the US for questioning and then offer them asylum.
Carpe #83
The other person may be Michael Dompig’s friend Andreas. I feel he too has a conscious and would tell what he knows what happened that morning. My reasoning is really stretched, but in every picture I have seen him he is wearing a rosary. It was the same type that was found by Dave on the cross at the Fisherman’s Huts.
#7 and 84: I rest my case about incriminating evidence on Anita’s camera. She is afraid because she saw what probably happened in Joran’s Apartment as it was filmed by the pimps. She can describe Natalee’s body parts and clothing. Sounds to me more then just pictures for art class. Or just what does she teach in the ARTSY Class? She need not worry though; Dennis Jacobs got rid of the evidence.
Joran says he preferred Ruth over Natalee. Then why didn’t he pursue Ruth?
All the incidences at C and C’s are against Natalee and revolve around the pimps, Geoff and Joran.
I will not change my opinion that someone called Joran from C and C’s, probably Geoff, that Natalee was not with her close friends and the motive against Natalee still IMO was revenge. She probably threatened them that she would report it to the police. (We all know where those reports go anyway) but just that she was thinking that way could have sparked revenge.
The truth is out there but unfortunately in this case JUSTICE was blinded, not blind, but blinded.
1906, I THINK YOU GOT IT DOWN PAT.
95. Miss-Underestimated
Maybe the answer regarding your confusion lies within the pages of the lawsuit filed by Natalee’s parents against Paulus and Joran.
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Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot
February 16, 2006
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Page 10 of 17
49. Joran and his Father obtained copies of files maintained by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation, and more than a thousand pages of interrogation documents prepared by the Aruban Police.
Rammstein #80
IMO what the poster is eluding to is:
1 The person died June 2nd, 2005
2 Three days after Natalee disappeared
3 She was 43 years old
4 Her last name was Wever
5 Information is lacking concerning her burial
6 The funeral home is run by a Wever
Maybe she was cremated. Maybe Natalee was cremated with her.
Today, it was Baby Ruth that he actually wanted to bed…
Yesterday, it was Kathleen!
Fact is, Joran never seems to really get the story
told the same way twice! He even tells you why,
it’s because he is a pathological liar and he
admits that he cannot help himself!
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Now tell me people,
where else on God’s Green Earth would we let
a pathological liar disappear with a young woman,
have that young woman never to ever be spotted alive
again, and take his word for everything that
happened to her?
…
Dr. Evil: Riiiiiiiight!
…
>Natalee never made it to the beach, I don’t think.
>The crime scene was the home of the VAN DER RAPISTS
of Oranjested. Paulus, Joran, and Dirt-Pack moved it…
but I believe that was where Natalee lost her life.
19 MONTANJA – “The Van der Sloot Shop of Horrors de Aruba”
I believe we are seeing in response…
>The Dutch don’t buy his truckload of sh.
>The Arubans don’t buy it either.
…and despite the Van der sloots deperation to morph
this case into something that is black versus white,
Jews vs. Christians, Dutch vs. America, America vs.
Aruba…
It just never did take hold; most
people are smarter than that.
…
It has ALWAYS BEEN about lying young man, who was given
so much rope by his sweaty enabler of a father, that one
night he went way too far!
The boy figuratively hung himself.
An innocent American Daughter
that was happily vacationing in
Aruba, lost her life by his hand.
…and Joran keeps wishing for a DO-OVER, and that ain’t
gonna happen.
You cannot fly in reverse against the
hands of time and put back
a life once you have taken it.
It happens only in Superman Comics! -j4n
http://tinyurl.com/3d5wwn
Janet
So the writer of JVDS book can have access to those documents? Doesn’t Aruba have any laws that pertain to the release of these documents? I recall the Pretty Ms. Shippers (Guido’s cousin) telling us that the police files are not documents that are privy to anyone only the polis and defendants attorneys.
But then again, as the Ms. Pretty said we dont understand her system. Yeah Arlene, how’d they get those documents,
Oh wait…..let me think?????
#l05, according to aruba steve last year, ahata and ata had copies of police and f.b.i. reports and were diligently studying them. evidently anyone on aruba can get these reports except natalee’s family.
dennisintn
Hey dennisintn, that’s a crock. Arlene said no can get them. What she may have meant is that anyone but the Holloways and Twittys can get them.
Hey do you think if I call or write them, I can get them?
Bogus Pigs they are
What does it mean when a group of people continue to support and make excuses for a self-admitted, low-life habitual liar? It amazes me to read some of the garbage coming from these people. They are now taking the Nadira line of defense, “everyone lies.”
According to them Joran is just a poor, misunderstood victim of society and Natalee was some strange 18-year-old woman of the world that managed to drown herself and then get rid of all traces that she even existed. That kind of mental gymnastics must require some extreme flexibility. How else can a person manage to stick their own heads that far up their own……
Actually Mike, I felt the same way…
…but it is becoming quickly apparent to me now,
that Joran Van der sloot is being discovered
to be the complete stinking ish-ball that he is…
in multiple languages. Check THIS out!!!
The book, his lying, his complete lack of respect
for ANYBODY’S legal system. It is all is bubbling to
the surface now.
>His book just may be T-H-E BLESSING
that Natalee’s family
needed!!!
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copy/paste
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Article about Joran’s book, courtesty Arubagirl
Bon Dia Aruba 26 April 2007 page A3
Contents of the book have the Dutch people angry and disgusted because of what he writes
Joran vd Sloot Published Book on Holloway Case and Describes Himself as a ‘Pathological Liar’
His mother will also publish a book but at the end of this year
Amsterdam – Joran van der SLoot (19), who calls himself a pathologial liar, still believes in his innocence related to the Natalee Holloway case. His biggest error tat he made, was to leave Natalee Holloway alone on the beach. This he says in his book that he published this week in the Netherlands that brought a lot of negative attention on this young person. During a television program this week in the Netherlands (the only interview he gave) describes in detail what happened according to him that night, when he met Holloway.
It must be said that the Dutch newspapers wrote about the book and also gave its readers the opportunity to react on the book and this young person. It must be said that practically none of the comments were positive and most were venting hate and anger towards this young person and all were considering him as a threat and a disgrace to society. Very little, here and there, left a good word for vd Sloot, who is wel aware of his acts.
Vd Sloot is aware of the fact that this case can be ‘stashed away’ [translating 'doofpot' - ag]. But he is so tired of this entire case that he does not care what happens now. For now, he is studying business and some day wants to return to Aruba to start a business on Aruba. The question that many made was if the contents of the books could have an infulence on the case that is still in full investigation and if it can affect him as such. In an either positive or negative way.
This because the book is fairly detailed about what happened. At the same moment vd Sloot continues and repeats various times that is a liar and that he still likes to lie and it comes easy to him. His first relationship that he had when he went to the Netherlands last year, lasted a very short time because of these reasons. But now he has a stable relationship with a person who believes what he tells her. And that’s why he does not want to lie anymore. Time will say if the book that he published will have any effects on the case that is still ongoing.
At the same moment the mother of Joran, meaning Anita vd Sloot also has a book on this topic, from a mother’s point of view, what were the feelings around this case. But seeing that her son published his book first, Anita vd Sloot decided that she is not going to publish hers yet until the end of the year to give her son a chance to get on the market and see how the reaction is. The mother thought to publish her version of how she fees at the end of the year.
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Just wondering how come. Is it that so many trolls are here now that it’s only safe to leave these sections open when a moderator is on duty? Thanks for clarifying this.
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Mike too
I think we all have heard that most ppl in prison claim they were framed too. Here’s something for those ppl who take pity upon the perps. This was not the first time they drugged and raped girls, remember they did it 20 times with no problems. Whose daughter is gonna be next? Could it be another tourist in Aruba or another girl in college in Holland, or someones daughter in Atlanta? All you pitiers, you willing to take that chance with your daughters? Every time they get away with it, makes em bolder.
Someone said it best last year.
Joran is the poorest excuse for an oxygen to carbon dioxide generator he has ever witnessed.
How long is this book 387 pages.
They must have used 120 point font size. How many times can you use dah, uhh ,humm no condom, she want sex,hmm no condom, hmm must be Satish hmm dah uuh.Left on beach, dah Holiday Inn, ahh Deepak went back, Went to my house, did not go to my house. uhh look at sharks dah hitler’s mother.
When Aruba runs out of toilet paper here are 387 slightly used sheets. Slightly used because of the BS they contain.
Titles being kicked
around for Anita’s book…
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Why Do IMPOSSEROUS SPORTERS LIE?
When Is The Exact Right Time To
Wear Lime Green Sherbet
Keebler Elfin Capri Pants?
How To Stop Your Husband From
Sweating At The Dinner Table?
ANITA VAN DER SLOOT:
You Can Put Lipstick On Me, But I Am Still A Pig!
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Hey Joran,
If I don’t get the time
to tell you what a worthless
waste of flesh you are today.
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READ THIS, DUDE…
AND I MEAN IT,
FROM THE VERY HEART
OF MY BOTTOM.
http://tinyurl.com/329s9p
Justice for Natalee!
Does Joran mention the mystery man in the casino video, or does he just let that one slide?
“as transparent as my blouse”
Richard
I did notice that too,
A tidbit from the book says that Paulus and Anita were not married when Joran was born. That makes Joran a B _____D.
Which is evident from his behaviour. I always knew that.
My apology to anyone else who was born on the wrong side of the blanket.
Today on the Dutch television, they asked Joran a Question.
the question whas “do you care about the boycott or Aruba,s situation ??” his answer was NO because he thinks it’s silly..so i say as an Arubian this makes me mad as hell because he is living it large in Holland and we suffer with the consequenses about his actions.
do i think Joran killed Natalee?? yes i do without a doubt.and i have even heard that the rest of the v/d sloot posse is getting out of Aruba too to go to Holland where they are safe because they are geniune Dutch citizens and protected by dutch law.
and today also Joran is accusing Dutch reporter and mystery solver Peter R. De Vries (he also believes Joran is guitly as hell and is hidding things) of having brokken in to his condominium in holland because he lives it large, and has stollen thing from his house,but the point is he doesn’t even glimps about the thought that he is the reason of the boycott against my peolpe and my Island.
doing bad things and protected by the Dutch law…remember the days of slavery??? i do..just remember who started the SlaveRY??
In his book Joran is apperently on the offensive as well… Just on the dutch SBS 6 tvshow “Shownieuws”: PRdeVries reacts on accusations by JvdSloot in his book that he’d burgled his appartement.
PRdV: It’s a man that didn’t choke in his first lie and the whole story about the link between the burglery and my show is without any foundation.., nothing of that is true.., I don’t know anything of a burglery.., I have nothing to do with that.., not direct nor indirect.., I had no pre-knowledge of that.., I didn’t give permission for it.., nobody asked me for it… Absolutely nothing, nothing, nothing! So any suggestion that he does in that direction is utterly unfounded and says more about him than about me!
Joran also accuses PRdV that he and Beth Twitty work together and he’s more on her side; iow entered his investigation prejudiced!
PRdV: I went to Aruba to investigate this case and there I was confronted with the fact that he and his family didn’t want to co-operate. In hineside I understand that because I have a lot of tough questions for him that he rather not answers… And now I see him show up in all kind of popular shows where he’s not questioned particularly thouroughly. Yes there he gets away easy; whith me that would be a different story! …
I would gladly give him the opportunity to come and answer these questions in my show… But I’ll bet you he doesn’t dare…
(Note: no uhhs, ahhhs and ehhhs in PrdV’s reaction….)
Some ppl deserve their labels.
So I guess when some one call him a b—–d, that is not a lie?
Joran quotes on his book tour.
The disappearance of the then 18 year old American student Natalee Holloway on Aruba, nearly two years ago, has hurt him psychologically/mentally enormously. “I hate msyelf for having lied that much. About everything. The bad thing however is that I still lie every day. It is easy for me to do. Even after all of it”.
I ought to be in constant care for my lying, but I am too stubborn to be councilled. I am being compared in the US to O.J. Simpson, he boasts.
But I would have much rather liked to have had sex with her friend Ruth. She was much prettier”.
Joran: I wrote the book… well actualy for myself… I don’t like psychologists… I don’t like psychiatrists… I deal with my problems in a different way. And this is a sort of treatment as well. To write down everything that happened… and so it gets shared with others. This has been a sort of therapy for me.
While I`m writing this, i`m still a suspect in The Natalee Holloway Case. I hope that someday it will be clear what happened to her, how terrible that maybe could be. Just then I will be rehabilitated, and can go on with my life.
Klaas, this is what happens when you try to post on the FP.
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Miss U I found that also….
#118 Angelone- You got it. The Van der Sloots have cost Aruba countless millions of dollars in tourism income, not to mention its reputation as a happy island.
Do they care? Hell no! They are not Arubans. The minute they released Joran he fled to Holland. Guido fled to Holland. They figure they are safe in Holland, their compatriots will take care of them. Hopefully they won’t and will arrest them and their accomplices. You deserve to get your island back from these elitist pigs who have trampled all over justice to save their criminal asses.
#80 Ramm,
When a country is soliciting tourists, they should be fully prepared to answer such questions without the rude, smart-assed “none of your business” attitude concerning premature deaths which the death of this woman obviously was.
Ever hear of contagious diseases? You know, like TB, AIDS of which the Caribbean is second in the entire world in number of cases, such things as that? Dengue fever, whatever it is that makes people suddenly hang themselves in public places, nail their hands to a board and set themselves on fire in a cave–you know, that kind of thing that normal people want to know about before going to a particular place.
If a country is unwilling to answer questions pertaining to local causes of premature death, then they certainly should NEVER be considered as a potential tourist destination because one would have no way whatsoever of assessing the relative safety/danger.
And we already know Aruba was telling colossal lies about their crime rate–see Murder and Crime Thread in the Forum Lounge. We exposed them via their own newspapers in their bogus claims of having no crime and being so allegedly safe. Unlikely as we are to get a straight answer, we still have every RIGHT to ask such things and to know what we are potentially exposing ourselves to by entering an area.
Aruba is the only tourist destination I ever heard of where routine, normally readily available information is “none of your business”! Must be because they have lots to hide that other places are much more honest and open about telling. Many readily admit to very high crime rates and advocate tourists remain in limited areas, unlike Aruba which was lying and claiming NO crime when Natalee Holloway disappeared.
Typical Aruban and Dutch response, however. Just give us your money and don’t ask any questions! Questions!?!?! We don need no stinkin questions!
Angelone
Maybe a group of Arubans can protest the book being sold on the island. Maybe the VDS family should reimburse the island for all the expenses related to following up the lies.
Robert
Thank you once again!!!
I ought to be in constant care for my lying, but I am too stubborn to be councilled. I am being compared in the US to O.J. Simpson, he boasts
Okay so he is saying he is still lying, Hey Aruba, yoohooo, are you reading you famed son’s book? He is rubbing your noses in his crap…..he is laughing at you all out loud and in print…
The Dutch reaction to Joran was much more outspoken and negative than that of the Arubans many of whom continue to defend him.
Joran bragged that he is still lying until this day and that he just no longer cares at all about the boycott of Aruba.
Money lost in tourism cannot be made up later. It is gone forever as that is the nature of the business. Those tourists who did not go to Aruba cannot be compensated for later, money long lost. Forever.
But does Joran care? No, and he said as much in just those exact words. He said on Greta’s program he was with Natalee on the beach an hour and yesterday said three hours, such things as that and yet nothing, nada, no one seems very concerned even about the release of his work of fiction before the case is even closed.
Guess he just couldn’t wait sixty days to try to make a fast buck off Natalee’s murder and disappearance.
Has anyone seen the comments of Arubans comparable to those by the Dutch who saw his program? It would likely have to be just comments on the book as he has not been back to Aruba to star on programs there as yet. I am curious to see the local reaction and if he will say in Aruba that he doesn’t care about the financial impact, right in their faces.
Dear Arubans,
Joran admitted he doesn’t care about the boycott or your island.
Now are you going to run right out and buy his stupid book?
#
I am having some issues here with Joran’s book.
In the FP about his book, his book company/editor/writer had access to police files? WTF, the case isn’t closed, how’d they get to do that? I really wonder how did that happen and why? Seems there is one set of rules in Aruba, the “Dutch Elite Rules”
Can someone answer that for me?
Comment by Miss-Underestimated | April 26, 2007, 9:09 am
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as a suspect you have the right to view your own case file, now the DA can hold back files he does not want to share before going to trial to protect the witness or to protect/further the investigation and a suspect will have to go to court to try and get access to those files. But the rest of the file is there for him and his lawyer to view and use for his defense.
#
To Rammstein,
Sorry Charlie, but sloot is dutch for pit. Look it up.
Pit a sizeable hole (usually in the ground); “they dug a pit to bury the body”.
in Nederlands: sloot,gat, hol, holte, kuil, put, gracht, greppel, groef, groeve.
Jerry
Comment by Waterboy (Jerry) | April 26, 2007, 9:19 am
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To Rammstein,
van der Sloot literally means from the pit, or from the grave, or from hell.
Jerry
Comment by Waterboy (Jerry) | April 26, 2007, 9:26 am
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luckily, being dutch I know better than that, this is a sloot:
http://inbeeld.middendelfland.net/zoutenveen2.jpg
or as it says in the dutch dictionary:
sloot (de ~, sloten)
1. gegraven water, breder dan een greppel
2. [scherts.] grote hoeveelheid vloeistof
ditch (the -, ditches)
1. dug out waterway, wider than a “greppel”
2. (jokingly) a whole lot of liquid
or as it says on a proper translation dictionary:
ditch
a narrow channel dug in the ground for drainage or irrigation or as a boundary.
Dutch: sloot, de greppel (de)
http://www.allwords.com/word-ditch.html
sloot
n (S. African) a ditch for irrigation or drainage
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definitions/sloot
sloot
Concept definition: *
A long, narrow excavation artificially dug in the ground; especially an open and usually unpaved waterway, channel, or trench for conveying water for drainage or irrigation, and usually smaller than a canal. Some ditches may be natural watercourses. (Source: BJGEO)
http://www.eionet.europa.eu/gemet/concept?langcode=nl&cp=2276
sloot
sloot (plural sloots) or sluit (plural sluits)
noun
Definition:
South Africa gully: a gully that has been formed by rain erosion
[Mid-19th century. Via Afrikaans
…remember the days of slavery??? i do..just remember who started the SlaveRY??
Comment by Angelone | April 26, 2007, 2:04 pm
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You actually remember slavery? wow, you must be what, a 150 now?
And yes, I remember who started slavery, the Egyptians and other middle eastern tribes/countries about 18 centuries BC. The bible mentions slavery and keeping slaves also, so it is as ancient as civilization (unfortunately because it was an abomination of the worst kind).
And I am not downplaying the part the Netherlands played in this dirty business of slave trade, we have a lot to be ashamed of with regard to slavery. But, we were most certainly not the ones who started slave trade.
Rammstein:
What?
You’ve resorted to picking on EVERYBODY now?
You speak of Slave trading as if it’s a thing of the past…
I believe it was you that stated that the Dutch would not be able to do anything about the corruption in Aruba. You were throwing your legal knowledge around like it was a sword to protect the guilty, rather than the innocent.
How does it taste… that crow you are eating?
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Angelone:
Hang in there… We all know that the slaves were
freed, in Aruba, to a state of colonialism. They
aren’t fooling anyone.
P.S. Thank you for your support. If you hear any
thing, please, let us know.
So Ram,
The sloots could share those police files thru a book, but the victims family does not have access to them?
So is the book part of Joran’s defense?
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So Ram,
The sloots could share those police files thru a book, but the victims family does not have access to them?
So is the book part of Joran’s defense?
Comment by Miss-Underestimated | April 26, 2007, 11:09 pm
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I did not say it is part of the defense but IMHO he is misusing these files for personal gain and that is not a good thing (not even close).
And no, the family as of yet is not party to the case yet. That only happens in case of prosecution, then the family of the victim has more rights.
I think however where there have been cases (cold cases, not active ones) where families sued the government for access to the case files (cannot remember if they won, will look into it).
Angelone, please try to convince your fellow Arubans that pressure for the boycott will end when, and ONLY when, there is justice for Natalee.
Please try to spread the word that the chief suspect, Joran of the ditch, has said that he could care less about the impact of the boycott on that island.
Please remind people that the circle of Joran’s friends that has drawn suspicion consists mainly of the ruling Dutch elite sent to Aruba to lord it over the island.
It’s in your hands, Aruba, to do something. We Americans can’t force you to do anything, but we can … and WILL … make our own decisions whether Aruba is a fit place to go.
There will be another protest in Miami this weekend.
No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.
the troll is back making excuses and protecting the slimy dutch and aruban pigs, crawl back under your rock or go back to BFN where you have the wool pulled over the eyes of most posters, you scum.
Aruba is strong Nothing will break us..
our toerism is beter as ever..
i’m the future presedent and aruba is “one happy island ”
1 murder in aruba = boycott
28938894754795985749 murder in alabama = Happy
we will peace but you don’t
you will justice .. it’s not aruba’s falt it’s JORAN!!
We are one of the best in the caribeans follow by our brothers BONAIRE AN CURACAO ( nice island ).. ABC island are the best in economic and in tourism ..
And don’t talk wat you don’t now!!
Don’t mess with aruba , mess with JoRaN!! But not aruba..
You remeber kathrina well we to cause we had a found raising made for the fictims ( all the best for them )
So We ( arubians ) are the victim to ..
We never would cover up for the dutch boy !!
And i now that americans are nice people !!
Peace from aruba !!
Contact me at : Buskaruba@hotmail.com
And how there you say bad things about are law, and your letting micheal jackson free!!
Don’t mess with aruba mess with JORAN!!
Contact me at : buskaruba@hotmail.com
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SM: Future Arubian Presedent must be getting worried
(klaasend)
Well I suppose this is sort of a Last chance for the Netherlands to show the world that they can and do have an exceptional Law enforcement community .
But they still have to convince me of that and I am willing to wait awhile longer but as for my opinions about someone taking The whole VDS and the Kalpoes out well it may not be PC buy I don’t have a problem with it because of the Hannis way that they harmed this young woman who had soooo much promise as to offer her fellow human beings even those that she may have disagreed with .and thats the huge shame of this situation .
Why is ANYONE buying Joran’s BOOK? ~ and now, his Mamma, Anita is writing one too? Please!
Where are the proceeds going??? they don’t seem to need a defense fund with Papa on board and his cronies helping them…
Where is all the money going?
How about giving it to Beth Twitty and family for Natalee’s memorial fund ~
Or, maybe Aruba will take his money earned from his/their book(s) and put it toward their Islands pathetic tourism campaign ~ or give it to the folks who work at the hotels and for the shop keepers there and hotel owners who’s lifes are suffering too, because of lack of business for two years…
I’d rather see the money go to Beth Twitty and have her help her continue to educate others and offer Scholorships to adults ~ build a College in her daughters name…
It is absolutely disguisting, that Joran will benefit any way from this book ~ just disguisting. One benefit will be that experts in the investigating field of determining the profile of this killer, will get their answers there… keep talking Joran ~ experts can read between the lies…your name keeps coming up and soon, will you be revealed as the killer??? Seems the Dutch Government is watching you now too and now visiting your home looking for evidence…
(I do feel in my gut he did it by the way)… now, all the Dutch Government has to do, is prove it. I pray, they find the evidence linking you and all others to this coverup…
Keep talking ~ we see through the lies…
folks, don’t buy the books ~ Richard, SM, begin a new campaign ~ boycott his book and his Mothers upcoming book ~ PLEASE!
Boycott Aruba, Boycott Joran’s & Anita’s book(s)…