Aruba: Protests against Chollers and the Drug Addition Problem in Aruba … Safety? … What about Natalee Holloway


Do people still think there is not a safety issue in Aruba? With the increase in drug addiction problems automatically comes an increase in crime. One does not occur without the other. The issue with the homeless, chollers and drug addicts has become so bad that Arubans have taken to the street in protest.


About 500 to 600 protesters showed their support to Michael Saladin, by protesting against the increased problems with drug addiction.  The protest march was peaceful; the banners spoke or themselves; the general sentiment is that hardworking people should not suffer under the addiction of others.  (Amigoe)

If anyone does not think that this increase in drug addiction and homelessness impacts safety on “One Happy Island”, think again.

In Aruba we have a lot of good things, but of course also some bad things. One of these are the problems of the homeless drug addicts, that we call ‘chollers’. These chollers beg, yell, fight and generally resist any help of the various local NA groups.

Yesterday, a woman was offered by one of those chollers to wash her car. She refused. When she came back the tires of her car were slashed. She called the authorities, a complaint was filed, etc. She also told her husband what happened. The husband, a local businessman whose stores have been held up a number of times, went to look for the choller who he thought slashed his wife’s car. (

Now imagine this issue of chollers, homeless and drug addicts with unsuspecting tourists. Tourists are told that Aruba is “One Happy Island” with no crime. What recourse would tourists have if confronted as Michael Saladin was? The answer is none. Not only would they not have access to a gun, knife, etc … the fact of the matter is as seen by what happened in the Natalee Holloway case is that the police would hush up the story for fear of hurting their tourism.


(Where is the Aruban outcry for Natalee and the impact on their tourism?)

One thing certainly comes to mind in that Aruban’s are protesting against this perceived problem with chollers and how in personally impacts them. Where was and still is their outrage to how the Natalee Holloway case was handled? Where is their protests to one of the single most bungled events in Aruba that has cost them dearly in tourism and their reputation around the world? Where is Aruba’s discontent? Why do they not want “Justice for Natalee” that would also provide an image change for Aruba?


So Aruba will protest if one of their own is impacted by a lesser form of the community, but they will not protest when a tourist like Natalee Holloway goes missing and they aftermath of event damages the Aruban economy? Nice. “One Happy Island” torward tourists.

Amigoe, March 29, 2007: Protest against drug addiction problem 

ORANJESTAD – About 500 to 600 protesters showed their support to Michael Saladin, by protesting against the increased problems with drug addiction.  The protest march was peaceful; the banners spoke or themselves; the general sentiment is that hardworking people should not suffer under the addiction of others. 

The march started around 17:00 in the Wilhelminastraat to the location where La Linda was at the Caya Betico Croes.  Michael Saladin is still under medical observation.  His lawyer Ruiz said that the matter has struck Saladin so bad that he is bad off physically and mentally.

“Usually, he is a cheerful man, but now he is down and even depressed.”  Ruiz indicated that the big turnout at the protest march and all the expressions of support, are a big support for him and his family.

Tomorrow is the eighth day of custody.  Ruiz expects another session with the examining judge, who will decide whether to order further detention or not.  Ruiz hopes that based on his health condition and the fact that he has small children, the judge will decide on not ordering further detention.  “Besides, being a businessman and owning two businesses that are open 24 hours a day with 11 employees, Saladin has a big responsibility.”  Ruiz says that there is no uncertainty about the fact that Saladin has aimed his weapon on the choller that threatened him.   That’s not the case.  The weapon was in his hand but he didn’t aim it at the choller. 

The American consulate general in Curacao asked the police and the public prosecutor for information on Michael Saladin’s situation.  This is standard procedure for the consulate, because Saladin is American citizen.  Vice-consul Bill Furnish indicated that the consulate always make inquiries when something happens to an American citizen abroad.  They do that so they can answer possible questions of family in the US.  Due to the American privacy-act, he is not allowed to discuss details with the media.   He did say though that he is very pleased with the cooperation of the police and public prosecutor here in Aruba.  He has not yet contacted Saladin directly.


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  • Comments

    133 Responses to “Aruba: Protests against Chollers and the Drug Addition Problem in Aruba … Safety? … What about Natalee Holloway”

    1. Sherry on March 31st, 2007 12:11 pm

      Um okay…they want to cover up Natalee but protests such as these are okay? Yea buddy that is where I want to go…a tiny island full of protesters and homeless druggies.

    2. Scared Monkeys on March 31st, 2007 12:15 pm

      Here is a question to Richard and the Boston 5 … did you hear any of the Aruban delegation at the Boston Travel Show mentioning their homeless, choller, or drug addition problem on Aruba and the safety concerns to tourists? Hmmm … bet that was conveniently not talked about.

    3. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 12:20 pm

      Natalee’s Eyes Are Upon You Aruba!

      It is the price you let Paulus

      “Of Of The Butt” Pay.

      His Raping Sporter, Thanks
      You Kindly!

      Oh SNAP, Where Is He Today? -j4n

    4. Observer on March 31st, 2007 12:35 pm

      I guess the ONE COOL Family Vacation Aruba promoted last year hit some major snags. The tourist didn’t realize they were getting one hotel room,one bathroom,one breakfast and one choller that came with the package.

      Red:No,No mention of the chollers and drug problems to us. But then again talking to half the Arubans about Natalee was like talking to Russians about there Govt back in the USSR days.

    5. 10061906 on March 31st, 2007 12:38 pm

      Please read 373 on previous thread..
      One Safe Happy Island… as long as you are an ostrich and keep your nose clean a your head up your arse instead of the sand.

    6. Houston on March 31st, 2007 12:45 pm

      If you are or want to be Coke head….Aruba is the place to be!

    7. Waterboy on March 31st, 2007 1:05 pm


      That sound you heard last night, what was it? You thought you heard your name, whispered in a hoarse, raspy voice; and so it was. It is he–hired by your friends for the price of their souls. An evil, dark stranger searching for a witness. The truth is your only hope of survival. The evil stranger is the figure standing in the darkest shadows, as the sun sets and the moon starts to cast it’s light. His eyes see on the darkest night, and he knows where to hide from view. Tell all you know. It’s almost too late. The hour is near. Your friend is no friend. You have no friends.


    8. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 1:27 pm

      Hey WBJ,

      What do you think the odds
      are of Natalee’s Killer
      living in the PREDATORY


      X Marks The Spot, huh?

    9. 10061906 on March 31st, 2007 2:17 pm

      Meeting sometime between 5/31 and 6/5 2005. on “One Safe and Happy Island”
      Where: Police Stattion at Noord. Or the Legal offices downtown.
      Present: Paulus van der Sloot, Dennis Jacobs, Jan van der Straaten, Nelson Oduber, Steve Croes; Joran, Satish, Deepak and others.
      Agenda: How do we get out of the Holloway mess your son got us into.
      Is it confirmed that Natalee is dead? Yes
      We can probably get your son and the K2′s off with probably kidnapping and then abandoning that person on the beach by herself. All we have to say is it was consensual sex and you all left Natalee at the HI . We will say we recovered her body from the ocean were under the influeance of drugs, Natalee became disoriented and fell in the ocean and hit her head on the rocks and drowned.
      Oh you didn’t leave her at the HI.
      Well then you went to the lighthouse. No? Well was it the fisherman’s huts? No?
      Well tell me Deepak where is Natalee.
      Oh I don’t know and Satish doesn’t know either.
      Well Joran where did you and the K2′s take Natalee?
      Oh you took her to your place..
      What were you going to do with her? Well me and the boys were going to have some fun with her and take her back to the HI before her plane left in the morning. And that’s the TRUTH.
      Now that changes what we have to say. We can’t say it happened at your father’s.
      That would be bad for him, the legal system and they might say that you Paulus were also involved. So Paulus, where is Natalee now. Well we placed her in a crypt at the church around the corner and then my friend from the funeral polar picked her up and made arrangements to have her cremated. Meanwhile Jan and I have tried to clean up Joran’s apartment. Deepak why did you clean out your car? Oh I see there was blood and body fluids present.
      Oh that is just great. Not only do we have the judges son and Gerald Dompigs cousins involved, but we also have the funeral director, the caretaker and the pastor of the church.
      Well you see Nelson; according to Joran it is a little more involved then that.
      What do you mean?
      Well there were a number of prominent sons also involved. Like who?
      Well Wever, Gottenbos, von Cromvoirt Gerald’s son and a few others.
      Well how did she die. She probably overdosed on all the drugs that were feed her and the ether to keep her unconscious. We called my father when she stopped breathing and he came home and that is where we are now.
      We can’t bring charges against anyone. If this went to trial our whole judicial and tourist reputation could be threatened along with all those involved.
      If the whole story were to be made known Aruba would never recover from the scandal.
      The only way we can do this is you guys are going to have to keep changing your stories to confuse everyone. We will have to set up some kind of diversion to draw attention away from Paulus’ house and also a restraining order against any more property searches.
      We will have to search Joran’s apartment, but we don’t and won’t search your house.
      See if we can throw people off your son by arresting these two guards.
      If not we will have to arrest Joran and the K2′s as a matter of no recourse. While there Paulus we will set it up so you can advise them in jail. We will make it look like you have been arrested, but we will release you.
      To make it look like we are concerned we will set up a reward and conduct a search for that girl. We can say a flight of F16′s with special side sonar are due in on a training mission; we can say they are involved also. There is no place for them to land and they cannot make the trip from Holland without inflight refueling; but no one will think of that.
      The F-16 was built under an unusual agreement creating a consortium between the United States and four NATO countries: Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway. It only has a range of 860 Kilometers.

      We have to make it look like we are taking an interest. We will say that we are searching the waters and the lighthouse and any other place to draw attention away from Montana.
      Jan you’re off the case. You are too close and the situation is too delicate. Dennis you will have to investigate and if there is any evidence… get rid of it.
      We will have to make it look like that girl was a slut and wanted to have sex and drugs and that it is her fault and her family’s for allowing this to happen.
      Since there now is no body there will be no chance of a case and she will have to remain a missing person for two years. We will make it look like we are investigating but will just go through the motions. Any questions? What about the cell phone calls and the ATM withdrawals? Not a problem, we will change the records if it comes up.
      How can we stall for time. We can say we are searching the landfill on a tip. That will buy some time to get rid of what evidence there is, right Dennis?
      Meeting adjourned until next week.
      Did it go down like this??

    10. Patti on March 31st, 2007 2:18 pm

      Boycott! Aruba…

      Good for them. In a society where many of their working class are treated as second hand citizens, victims of the ails that come from having a corrupt government and the bombardment of organized crime, this protest is a good thing. Perhaps, it is only the beginning.

      Seek JUSTICE, Aruba… the eyes of the world are upon you.

      Justice for Natalee

    11. arubaboy on March 31st, 2007 2:28 pm

      Very funny that Aruba is so scrutinized on this board. Yes it is true Aruba has his worries and protested now and then like every democratic country. What is wrong with that? We have problem with homeless drug addicts and we admit that. To make it clear I can not imagine Aruba is promoting as crime “free” Island. Crime you have everywhere. I will say Aruba should be promoted as a relative safe place in comparison to other holiday places in the Caribbean and even in the States.

    12. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 2:50 pm

      Except for the itty bitty fact that
      some Aruban citizens hunt, gangrape,
      kill, and toss away young American
      females in water basins,
      and get away scot-free right?

      Always overlooking the small details.

      Rape & Murder happens everywhere, a decent
      police force investigates and brings the
      responsible parties in for jail and a trial.

    13. Patti on March 31st, 2007 2:50 pm

      Aruba Boy:

      Let’s do our best to get a responsible Government ruling
      Aruba. Let’s make it possible for victims of crimes to
      have a forum and, ultimately, justice. Let’s sever the
      dirty hands that keep your people living in a state of
      fear… then we can ALL be happy.

    14. mayan_moons on March 31st, 2007 3:16 pm

      Funny to you diverboy, dead serious to us. No matter how long it takes we are going to be in Aruba’s face until the people there will do anything just to get these monkeys off their back.

    15. mayan_moons on March 31st, 2007 3:20 pm

      Yes Aruban’s are going to have to dig from the bottom of the landfill, pull the truth out and dust it off and behave like decent human beings to get the monkeys to leave you alone.

    16. mayan_moons on March 31st, 2007 3:26 pm

      BTW have you guys seen the new Bejing tv ads inviting tourists to their country? The ad looks very exciting with so many amazing things to see and do.

    17. ben on March 31st, 2007 3:26 pm

      GO to scroll down to lower right side,where it says shout it leave your name and message.My messgae is remember natalee,several of mine are still there,guess they cant read english.

    18. arubagirl on March 31st, 2007 3:26 pm

      But if we protest for our tourism, aren’t we callous?

    19. ben on March 31st, 2007 3:39 pm

      Natalee lost her life, Aruba looses tourist,the price you pay when justice is not had.

    20. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 3:43 pm

      Right on, Ben.

      Joran Van der Sloot: No, I’m not – I’m not going to talk to the police anymore. I mean, I’ve – they put me through a lot.

      Greta 3/2006

    21. buckeye on March 31st, 2007 3:45 pm


      There is an inherent right to protest wrongdoing. Noone would think of you as callous. The problem is, where was the protest against the attitude of the young men and their “Big Boys Club” supporters when it was so obvious that Natalee had met misfortune?? All we heard about was the media this and the media that. The island was not prepared for lies to be quoted and broadcast. They didn’t “make up” stuff, they broadcast what the islanders told them. Unfortunately, the result was a pretty poor reflection of the island authority. You can protest for tourism, but I’d be scared to go. And, two years later, nothing has improved.

    22. ben on March 31st, 2007 3:46 pm

      Arubagirl i clicked on your name,it took me to a site thats sales tennis ware,just my opinion but that seems kinda low class to use a sale site ,on this site concerning natalee,just my thought.

    23. Patti on March 31st, 2007 3:49 pm

      Aruba Girl:

      Protest for the things that you know are right.

    24. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 4:08 pm


      She doesn’t want us visiting her blog… where
      she tells people about the REAL ARUBA
      & the CHOLLER KNIFING STORY, like she
      did just recently on 3-24-07.

      …but then she makes time in her busy
      day, to tell us how great & safe
      Aruba is here @ SM.

      yeahhhh right.

      AG, what’s up with that? How do you defend
      tapping out of both sides of your keyboard
      like that?

    25. chris on March 31st, 2007 4:10 pm

      To whoever is thinking about the meeting in Miami in May. Instead of having so many posters of Natalee, why not borrow the picture from this headline to really bring home what travellers have to look forward to when considering travel to Aruba. From their own mouths! They would have done most of the work for us. Wouldn’t that be a kick in the butt?

    26. Maggie on March 31st, 2007 4:13 pm

      Where’s the protest and the outrage of what was done to Natalee Holloway May 30th, 2005?!!!!!!!!!!! Instead they protested a mother to go home and stop looking for her child. Now when crime hits their own doorsteps, they come out. Arrogance and self centered at it’s best.

      Maybe the next travel show for tourism to Aruba could be called “The Choller of Money” ..

    27. Scared Monkeys on March 31st, 2007 4:37 pm

      #11 Arubaboy … you are a riot … “Aruba, just like any other democratic country … HAHAHA … LOLLOLOLOL

      Yea … right.

      The people fear the police and the govt and don’t come forward. That is hardly a Democracy. When the very people within the tourism industry cannot speak their minds for fear of reprisal.

      That would be a Banana Republic.

      There are many third world countries that call them selves “democracies” in name only.

      I find it rather pathetic … no actually amazingly pathetic that aruban’s will protest against the lowest on the food chain in Aruba like the chollers, yet not their govt or police involvement in a crime cover up.

      Protesting against “chollers” … that’s really brave.

      Just as brave as arresting 2 black security guards and trying to pin a crime on them.

      Democracy is not protesting against the weakest link in the chain.

      True democracy is standing up against the strongest link knowing that they are doing wrong. That is when one’s voice is most needed.

      Please do not compare Aruba’s crime to the US … its a losing argument. On a proportionate basis, Aruba’s is higher in reality. Of course that what Aruba actually decides to report.

    28. Janet on March 31st, 2007 4:52 pm

      I cannot comprehend why the voice of the Aruban people was silent regarding the obvious coverup in an investigation that was denying justice to an eighteen years old American citizen name Natalee Holloway. Unfortunately, Senator French’s reasoning was flawed … an American boycott was not enough to motivate a people who just did not care.
      Sentator French
      CBS NEWS
      September 8, 2005
      The Senate-passed resolution said a boycott is needed because the investigation into Holloway’s disappearance “has been plagued with an unacceptable amount of missteps, miscommunications and inconsistencies.” “It’s my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation,” French said.

    29. mayan_moons on March 31st, 2007 4:58 pm

      Hey chris!

      Thats a great idea!

    30. mayan_moons on March 31st, 2007 5:09 pm

      Bravo Maggie!

      Love that one!~

    31. Janet on March 31st, 2007 5:10 pm

      ARUBA – The Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise … Dave Holloway

      Page 9
      In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.
      Page 10
      While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist. … I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.
      Page 16
      During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s. … Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal.

    32. Richard on March 31st, 2007 5:26 pm

      Red (#2) … problems? on Aruba? Huh? Whaddya mean?

      Never heard a word about any problems on Aruba, except the acknowledgement from the hotel owner that the hit to tourism was indeed strong. As for chollers and drug addicts, perish the thought!

      On top of all this, though, remember when Aruba was whining that a boycott movement was illegal? As if we had a God-given duty to go there?

      Listen up, Aruba: the only claim you have on our tourist market is to offer your island on a competitive basis. And as the events of the last two years have proved, your concern for us is limited to green … our green. $, that is. The truth about Aruba is out, and the genie isn’t going to be put back inside the bottle.

      Justice for Natalee cannot be swept under the table. We will not forget her or abandon her family. And all your discounts and sleazy ad campaigns won’t bring you what you want.

    33. mayan_moons on March 31st, 2007 5:43 pm

      One of the best slogans to come off this board, heck the whole case comes courtesy of Carpe.

      Come To Aruba…Where The Only thing Missing is YOU!

      And have Natalee’s picture below.

      It just punches ya in the gut reading that.

    34. Patti on March 31st, 2007 5:48 pm

      I agree with Red. But, give them a break. Atleast they are making an effort to do something about the situation that they’re in. Their lives are effected, every single day by the amount of drugs that are finding their way to their island. Their streets are full of the homeless ones that have lost everything to their addictions. I applaud them, with encouragement, to do more to take back the island of Aruba; free themselves from the corruption that has destroyed their way of life and make it possible for everyone to have justice.

      How much greater is it to have 500 people on an island of less than 100,000 come together to protest against their plight, than to have the few that come here trying to deny that a problem even exists… afterall, the only way that they can ever fix the problems that led to the corruption in the case of Natalee Holloway is to admit that there is a problem in the first place.

      Aruba… dig deeper!

      There is criminal activity that results in the victimization of the homeless ones, as well. The corruption does not lie in the hands of the powerless. But, I agree with you… you need to get them off your streets. They need to be arrested and convicted of the crimes they commit. Everyone should.


    35. Janet on March 31st, 2007 6:58 pm

      Patti, I agree with you 100%. I applaud the Aruban people who rallied and demanded that their elected officials do something regarding drug issues that are affecting their own. These Arubans were not intimidated by possible retaliation by the “powers that be” who have allowed the drug trade to thrive in Aruba … These Arubans were not intimidated by the “powers that be” who are making a fortune by turning a blind eye.
      Patti, the double standard is … the Aruban people failed to come together and demand that the “powers that be” afford a citizen of the United States a just investigation … they failed to demand that the family of Natalee Holloway receive a measure of closure … they failed to demand accountability from those who participated in the events that encompass the fateful morning when Natalee Holloway went missing.
      Sincerely, Janet

    36. 10061906 on March 31st, 2007 7:22 pm

      To tell the truth: before Natalee went missing I really did not know where to find Aruba, other than in the Caribbean. I for one have learned a hell of a lot about Aruba and its’ Dutch Masters (wasn’t that a cigar ? Edie Adams I believe?) And everything I have learned it was because of Natalee.
      Anyway it is so easy to second guess why did Beth permitted Natalee to go to Aruba?
      If that be the case why not question the other 129 parents whose children made it home.
      It is so easy to condemn Aruba for a coverup, lousy police work, all the drugs; etc.
      Actually with me a boycott is not needed. If I had any intentions of going somewhere to plunk down my hard earned money, you bet your sweet a$$, I’m going to check it out first. A few years back for our anniversary we were given a trip to the Bahamas; Paradise Island and the Atlantis. Had it not been for the Discovery Channel hyping up what all went into make the Atlantis I would not have known anything and since I didn’t pay for it I didn’t check into it. How dirty the streets are once you get away from the hotels. How poor the island really is. The amount of shacks you see along the way from the Airport.
      I’m sure Aruba and the Bahamas are not that much different except for who is the Protectorate. You know the haves and the have nots.
      Aruba covered up Natalee’s disappearance to avoid a scandal that would further damage an already notorious reputation. We all know who did it. We want a confession. It’s not going to happen. We want a trial but that is not going to happen. It is unfortunate for Natalee, I feel she is never coming home. Aruba’s economy can not afford to supply the answers for the closure we all want. Before you take a vacation do your homework.
      In my heart I feel that I know what happened, why it happened, where it happened and who was involved. I can never prove it and even if I am right there is no one on Aruba that is going to pat me on the back for a job well done.
      I’m going to leave for a while. I won’t forget those that I have met, those that wished me health, those that offered prayers for my recovery. You don’t realize that just that simple gesture from someone that you don’t even know where they are from, yet are concerned about your health, is such a tremendous lift. Every time I read a wish you a speedy recovery, my wife could tell how much it meant to me.
      I believe I have posted since June of 2005. It’s been a long two years for Beth, Jug, Dave and family. At times I was only a footstep or one door or one person away. I never did get to meet any of them but I can feel their hurt, frustration and disappointment.
      Just remember that when you try to condemn someone for making a decision that you think was a mistake:
      To Natalie: I tried, God Bless you and keep you and always be that “FREE BIRD”.

    37. Observer on March 31st, 2007 7:25 pm

      Comment by 10061906 | March 31, 2007, 2:17 pm

      You are pretty close I bet. Dompig’s reliable witness(Drug addict and dealer)Brother In Law Boeti Implicated two innocent security guards and got them arrested. THE ALE KNEW ON JUNE 1ST THAT THE 3 WERE LYING BUT STILL DIDNT ARREST THEM FOR 8 MORE DAYS!!

      The ALE knew Joran and the Kalpoes were lying but still needed them to get there story straight and to destroy any evidence. They did a thorough search and interrogation of 2 innocent men but not the 3 that were last seen with her.. who said they all had sex with her and dropped her off at the hotel. Sickening!!

      We know the ALE was wrapping up the case they needed Boeti(Dompig’s Drug Dealer and Addict Brother In law) once again to make it look like Natalee caused her own demise. They actually took into evidence his statement that he saw Natalee using and in the possesion of drugs(Cocaine). As reported by Devries in the NL. Also sickening!!

    38. 10061906 on March 31st, 2007 7:32 pm

      Klaasend: I almost forgot. If you would want them; is there an address, post office box or what ever that I could send you copies of everything I have collected since June 2005.


      SM:   I don’t have a PO box that I can give you.   Let me think about how we can do this, I’ll let you know, Thanks! (klaasend)

      NOTE:   Please email RED from the link on the front page if you have something you want to send to us, I think that’s the best way.   You will be missed. (klaasend)

    39. dennisintn on March 31st, 2007 7:33 pm

      #35, i’m with you on this one, janet.

    40. arubagirl on March 31st, 2007 7:40 pm

      #21, thank you for saying that, but it is the opinion of one of the authors of this site that it is callous to reference tourism. So, that’s why I made that remark.

      #22, okay, I entered that site as a reference that you already have my site address in the post. I didn’t even click on it myself to see if it actually linked to a place.

      But,#24, the reason why I haven’t linked to my site quite some time is that I find it somewhat hypocritcal to link to my site, as if I were trolling for hits. Second, if you actually bothered to read the entire post that I wrote on my blog, I also wrote that I was still not afraid of chollers. So, actually, I type the same thing on both places.

      Red, please, I have never been afraid of my government or the police a day in my life. Afraid of that idiot government we have right now? Ooooh, I’m shaking . . . not.

    41. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 8:15 pm

      Aruba Girl you’re a “Lisa Nowack” load! You want
      your cake, and you want to eat it too. Much like
      Joran and the two MAL-poes.

      Mayan, I can take credit for the line. I wish, but
      someone else posted it, and for the life of me now
      I cannot remember the nic. I did make a few pics with it
      though! LOL


      Did I mention Aruba Girl is a load?

      and this one is for Yo-Yo-us

      -j4n ;-)

      enjoy your evening

    42. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 8:42 pm
    43. Janet on March 31st, 2007 8:43 pm

      40. Red, please I have never been afraid of my government or the police a day in my life. … Arubagirl

      Arubagirl, it could be that you have never attempted to expose incriminating evidence again suspects that the “powers that be” in Aruba were attempting to protect from being implicated in a crime.
      Beth Twitty
      ‘The Abrams Report’
      February 24, 2006
      TWITTY: There were two-I know of two young girls. One was 16 and one was 14 years of age, and it was difficult for these girls to do, but they did come forward. They had to hire an attorney. They gave statements to the police. You know, these were real girls that were coming forward. We don’t know what happened or what transpired, why that never went any further than it did. We don’t know if it had something to do with- I WAS TOLD THAT DENNIS JACOBS (PH) HAD STRONGLY — HAD TALKED TO THE GIRLS AND WAS REALLY PUTTING THE PRESSURE ON THEM TO RETRACT THIS, so you know, we just don’t know how far that some individuals in that police department were going to go to put a stop to those girls coming forward. But they were real girls and they had been assaulted by Joran under the influence of drugs.
      Dave Holloway
      August 10, 2005
      HOLLOWAY: … Seems like every time someone speaks out or comes forward. Just like the gardener, he is supposed to appear in court Thursday then be immediately deported. SOME WITNESSES MAY BE SCARED TO COME FORWARD FOR FEAR OF REPERCUSSIONS.

    44. buster on March 31st, 2007 8:45 pm

      The above article would make a really nice pamplet to hand out at the next aruba tourist expo, It would also be a nice little burn

    45. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 8:46 pm

      Is there no end to the Aruban sickness
      that has been displayed during the Natalee
      Holloway Case? Just when you think Aruba
      could not be any more sadistic, cruel,
      and preverted…

      They surprise us all over again!
      ROFL It is surreal. -J4N

    46. Patti on March 31st, 2007 8:53 pm


      Please don’t go. I can’t tell you how much your presense has meant to us. You bring with you a big heart and an enormous amount of knowledge along with a sense of wellness and civilness to this board. We want to continue to put those smiles on your face and to lift your spirits in this time of distress. We want to help you heal. Please, if nothing else, do as I asked and join the forum where the spirit is much more supportive and personable.

      I thank you for the time that you take to share with us your knowledge of Aruba and the crime against Natalee and you will be missed.

      Please stay…

    47. tex on March 31st, 2007 8:56 pm

      a sickly island and dutch gov’t

    48. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 9:02 pm

      >> perverted

      doh! – 10 points. =)


      Dirty “Edwin Comemencia” Hand searches VDS house
      and drives in his company tow truck. LOL

    49. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 9:14 pm

      “We are just looking for evidence at the house but have nothing yet,” police spokesman Edwin Comemencia said during the search.”

      Hey “PAPITO” — There’s no evidence


      Brudda, how much chocolate you got?


    50. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 9:54 pm

      I simply do not know
      how they go on living
      with themselves.

      They ABSOLUTLELY, beyond a shadow of
      a doubt… and it will be completely
      proven…TOTALLY… mark my words…

      Murdered and disposed of Natalee.

      She had the whole
      world STILL in front her,
      and the carpet was yanked out!

      …and they actually were ARROGANT
      ENOUGHT TO BELIEVE, that they were
      going to walk off into the sunset
      over this — no charges.
      I still can’t fully believe it.
      That people could be so devoid
      of humanity, and full of everything so
      rapingly Van der sloot! LOL

      They must grow some S-T-R-O-N-G- sh**
      down there in ‘ROOBA. Hey J, here’s
      something to watch whilst you await
      your charges, you murderer.

    51. Elaine on March 31st, 2007 10:11 pm

      10061906…. I hope you reconsider, and come around once in awhile. I will really miss reading your posts, as I have enjoyed them.

    52. Waterboy (Jerry) on March 31st, 2007 10:16 pm

      Hey WBJ,

      What do you think the odds
      are of Natalee’s Killer
      living in the PREDATORY


      X Marks The Spot, huh?

      Comment by Carpe Noctem | March 31, 2007, 1:27 pm

      To Carpe,



    53. jim on March 31st, 2007 10:16 pm

      man dies in aruba jumping off jet ski

    54. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 10:45 pm

      “We have to make it look like we are taking an interest. We will say that we are searching the waters and the lighthouse and any other place to draw attention away from Montana.”


      1006, that piece 100 percent on the money! I believe
      with everything, she is buried (in some form) in the
      raping / murderous Van der sloot familys’s cement
      work completed at their home in late 2005.

      It is the ONLY PLACE IN ARUBA, where authorities
      WOULD NEVER be able to search with a 10 foot pole,
      after their charade search had been conducted.

      Unless they put together a team of 3rd party independents
      and blow in the doors with a 3am blitz style home invasion,
      and brutally force it out of the responsible Van der sloots
      to dig it all up.

      I think that is why that wafting pile of hippopotami chips,
      Paulus Van der sloot ‘rhymes with boat’ said:


      He would not say that with out complete control
      of all that settings and parameters that would
      bring that statement to complete fruition.



      1006, you have added SOOOOOOO MUCH to this place, I cannot
      tell you. You’re a great person for giving so freely of
      yourself for Natalee. God Bless, and best wishes to you

      Good man. Job well done!

    55. Patti on March 31st, 2007 10:45 pm


      Please, ask Red for my e-mail. Tell him that you have my
      permission, or better yet, I’ll e-mail him and tell him
      that if you ask for it, to give it to you. I want to keep
      in touch. Okay?



    56. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 10:46 pm

      LOL Jim. I like your sense of humor! Did he
      he proceed to bury himself like all the others?

    57. Miss-Underestimated on March 31st, 2007 11:04 pm


      You have to come back and check with us. Your posts are excellent and provide alot of us with an objective we haven’t thought of. If you need a rest that’s okay. But we need you too, so I hope you come back when you can.

      Buddy I’m praying for you and your family

      Take care of yourselve and you wife.


    58. Miss-Underestimated on March 31st, 2007 11:10 pm

      Maggie too funny…LOL

      Arubaboy and Arubagirl.
      I see you have alot of space on the beaches to play.
      I visit the web cams several times a day. I see sometimes NO TOURISTS on your beautitul beaches.

      No fighting for good spots for the cabana’s. Have their been layoffs at the hotels and casinos?

    59. on March 31st, 2007 11:23 pm

      My message got wiped away on sum of 1 and 2.

      Leave ArubaGirl alone. She has always been civil on this board.

      Aruba can’t afford NOT to tell what happened to Natalee Holloway because as long as her case remains “unsolved”, some of us won’t let go. It’s been 2 years and we are still dogging Aruba. Come back in 8 more years and you will see the same thing!

      At least if Aruba let the truth out, people would forget or at least move on. Without the truth, we won’t move on.

    60. Observer on March 31st, 2007 11:23 pm

      Everyone knows this wasnt a bungled investigation. The ALE arent the Keystone cops. More like a mix of the Pathological liar and Bagdad Bob.

      If 80% of Aruba’s tourism is from the U.S.A they are in deep shit!!

      Paulus Van Der Sloot–”I will do anything for my son”
      Joran Van Der Sloot–”Something bad happened”
      Gerald Dompig–”They are guilty as hell”
      Deepak Kalpoe–”Joran is sick”
      Dennis Jacob’s–”Joran is Evil”

    61. Carpe Noctem on March 31st, 2007 11:44 pm

      “Leave ArubaGirl alone. She has always been civil on this board.” -Katablog

      I agree with you on TONSSSS of things you posted in the past. However, AG imho at times has been quite rude
      and disrespectful to Natalee supporters in the past.
      That’s all… no joke, no pot shot. I think she could
      do with a li’l more respect to the fact Natalee got “jacked
      up” by the murdering raping Van der sloot/Kalpoe family of

      It could have been her lying on the bottom of that
      water basin near the Marriott. Joran takes it, he
      doesn’t ask. -j4n

    62. Kat_Gram on April 1st, 2007 12:25 am

      10061906… Please take care buddy. I read the FP every day and you have become like an old friend. Appreciate your posts and be well my friend.

    63. Observer on April 1st, 2007 12:59 am

      Aruba can’t afford NOT to tell what happened to Natalee Holloway because as long as her case remains “unsolved”, some of us won’t let go. It’s been 2 years and we are still dogging Aruba. Come back in 8 more years and you will see the same thing!

      At least if Aruba let the truth out, people would forget or at least move on. Without the truth, we won’t move on.

      Comment by | March 31, 2007, 11:23 pm

      You are 100% correct. The tourism for Aruba is just gonna get worse and worse and worse..

    64. Richard on April 1st, 2007 7:40 am

      10061906, I know you’ve had health issues. But don’t abandon our cause. Remember, our government is silent. Our media pay attention to the case only when something happens. And our tourism, hotel, casino, and airline industries, as always, chase the dollar.

      If we the people won’t stand steadfast for Natalee (and future American victims), who will?

      You say that it’s incumbent on someone going on vacation to check it out first. You’re right. But prior to Natalee’s case, few people knew about the “true” Aruba. The one where crime is wiped off the records, tourists are assaulted (as they are in the U.S. and many other places; but the clear difference is that WE DON’T DENY IT), and your use to Arubans vanishes when your money is gone.

      Some relatives of mine went to Aruba some years back. They said they went there because the data showed that it was one of the safer places in the Caribbean.

      Garbage in, garbage out … we NOW know that Aruba doctors its figures. Maybe we can call it the Enron of the Caribbean (though I think a lot more down there are bad too; remember the Joel Gove case, where the family STILL has to raise money to retrieve his body?).

      But we can’t blame the people of Mountain Brook, Alabama, for not knowing what would befall them.

      Hope you’ll reconsider and stay around. If not, come back and read. And in any case, please keep spreading word:


      That’s the one thing we can do. Let’s do it.

    65. Richard on April 1st, 2007 7:45 am

      We should remember … not only did the Aruban people fail to come forward on Natalee’s case, they actually (some of them, anyway, probably paid agents of the ruling political party) demonstrated against Beth Twitty.

      THAT is the worst thing of all. The Aruban hauteur is just unbelievable. A little island sustained by foreign tourism and mob money … 80% of its economy comes from Americans who (used to) go there … and they talk about their good name.

      Reminds me of the Lilliputians in Gulliver’s Travels.

      The Holloway Twittys have said that they just want Natalee back, dead or alive. Then they’ll leave Aruba forever and let them do what they want to do. I think most of us here want to see punishment administered too; I’m less forgiving than the family, I guess.

      Aruba can dig its own grave if it wants. Seems to be hell-bent on doing just that.

    66. Janet on April 1st, 2007 10:33 am

      It is not the crime that encompasses the disappearance of Natalee Holloway that would cause Americans to rule out Aruba as their destination of choice for a vacation … crime happens everywhere. It is the perception that the “powers that be” within a corrupt investigation, to protect their own, are denying an American citizen justice and … denying her family a measure of closure.

      I agree that accountability is where it is at but … at this point if Natalee was returned to her family … her country … I would be somewhat satisfied. I firmly believe that someday … somewhere … there will be a day of reckoning for those who participated in the events of that fateful morning and … those involved with the coverup who denied Natalee Holloway justice.
      Richard … thanks again to you and the others for your participation in the Boston protest last weekend. You all certainly … “walked the walk”. Sincerely, Janet.
      Jug Twitty
      ‘Scarborough Country’
      July 14, 2005
      Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she’s alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we’ll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.
      Art Wood
      ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
      December 2, 2005
      WOOD: …… But that’s why this case could be solved, Rita. The reason this case could still be solved is because there are so many people involved in Natalee’s disappearance and in the disposal of her body. When somebody talks, they’re going to all go down. This is like a house of cards.

    67. Kat_Gram on April 1st, 2007 10:59 am

      I saw a commercial for Aruba last night on CNN. It said little, just the word ARUBA and showed some nice pictures of the usual.
      Ever see those lovely drug commercials where they flog the benefits of their wonderful new drug and then have the disclaimer with alot of fast talkin’ ? Some ppl may experience and then they list a huge number of symptoms which sound worse than the original condition. That was what was missing on this one.
      Some ppl may become drugged, disappeared, robbed, beat up,
      bad drug trip, missing, washed up on beach in Venezula, become dismembered in a cave, experience human combustion. If you experience any of these conditions or symptoms,leave ( if you can ) Aruba immediately.

    68. Allan K on April 1st, 2007 2:05 pm

      Why all of a sudden do they protest addicts? it is a lawless island except when it works to somebody’s favor in power. They do not have the facility’s to handle all the addicts anyway.

      I am like SM above that the island cares about getting rid of the drug addicts but nothing about Natalee. It doesn’t make sense with the revenue that was lost over Natalee.

      The drugs are sold openly on the streets without arrests being made, I just wonder if arrests were made if that would cut down on the drugs. I thought drug selling was one of their major commodities anyway. It seems like the local government ALE might be in on the take for drug money.

      PS Is that dutch trash still in Georgia? Couldn’t the FBI question him now if they gave a damn?

    69. arubagirl on April 1st, 2007 2:11 pm

      Thanks for your comments, katablog.

      Carpe, yeah, I’ve been rude to you, I suppose. But, it didn’t fall out of the clear blue sky. If people keep on persisiting on wishing bad on my island, I’m not going to be polite to them. Just as I don’t expect to receive civility from you if I keep wishing bad things to happen to your country.

      But, anyway, it’s Palm Sunday, a beautiful day and 3 of my cousins just got confirmed in the church. So I’ll leave all of you alone now.

    70. mayan_moons on April 1st, 2007 2:52 pm

      What a paradox…..Aruba turns the other way when drug sales are going down, maybe getting paid on the side to do so and then wonder why they have so many addicts are popping up with violence towards them.

    71. mayan_moons on April 1st, 2007 2:55 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      Check out the pic i just sent you! Enlarge and rotate once to the right and zoom in.

    72. ben on April 1st, 2007 3:04 pm

      at i have been posting remember natalee in the shout box, my remember natalee goes through,I got curious typed, joran name in the name box,in the message box, i typed hi.It said my shout was not excepted because of banned words,guess jorans name is bad news there

    73. mayan_moons on April 1st, 2007 3:08 pm

      Arubagirl is not afraid of her government and doesn’t say she’s unhappy with the way the ALE & Official’s have handled Jurine & Kalpoes, so it leaves this American to conclude that she’s okay with the way things have turned out.

    74. mayan_moons on April 1st, 2007 3:13 pm

      Really ben? Interesting….i know if i were an Aruban i’d want that family off the island for good. One way or another.

    75. Carpe Noctem on April 1st, 2007 3:40 pm

      Not just me AG, you’ve been a pretty much well rounded
      snot to just about everyone. Maybe you should go back
      on Wednesday too? Love ya!

    76. Carpe Noctem on April 1st, 2007 3:56 pm
    77. Carpe Noctem on April 1st, 2007 4:15 pm

      Marriott Basin – Hand

    78. Allan K on April 1st, 2007 4:56 pm

      I remember they blackmailed Beth into giving an apology to the island. The island is just plain no good and a lot of the Arubans with it. Like it or not that is the way it is. They may not all be bad apples but I have not seen many or any good ones.

      The Dutch there fit the same description.

      The Americans there fit the same description.

      It is very apparent they did not care about Natalee or Beth.
      They seem to have no compassion for others but themselves and kin. They say the island is the best and we see a corrupt and vile little island where justice is controlled to suit the need of those in power.
      They rape the tourist women. They rape the girls in their own schools. Everything is suicide no murders here. Falsely report all records of all kinds.

      Get all that Dutch and Aruba scum back to the island and try this case you idiots.

      I would bash Aruba for hours if I wanted to and not feel bad, they deserve it.

    79. Carpe Noctem on April 1st, 2007 4:59 pm


      April Fool’s Day is KINDA like their Christmas…

      …beecause the father and the eldest son are

      a couple of unfettered, swingin’ elephant dongs.

      (and bro bro, that is de truth!)

      Just had to share the love, on such a special day!!! ROFL


      -me / j4n

    80. mayan_moons on April 1st, 2007 5:23 pm

      lol Carpe!


      Allan i tend to agree with you.

      If nothing bad is happening to them they don’t give a damn whats happened to anyone else.

    81. mayan_moons on April 1st, 2007 5:28 pm

      Thank Goodness not everyone is like that or else it would be a sad sad world.

    82. Janet on April 1st, 2007 5:33 pm

      78. Alan K.

      As early as the beginning of July the Aruban people were emotionally distancing themselves from the anquished mother of Natalee Holloway and siding with the main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case. Legally … Deepak and Satish had the right to leave the Island but … considering their changing declarations … logic dictated that there was something very wrong with this ruling. Hey a month and a half later the brothers were detained again and … the suspicions were the same same as the original as well as there were both “new facts and evidence”.
      July 6, 2005
      ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The mother of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway asked Tuesday that two brothers held as suspects in her daughter’s disappearance not leave Aruba until the case is solved. Beth Holloway Twitty pleaded for other countries not to allow them entry, and for Aruban officials to notify the U.S. State Department, if the brothers decide to leave the Caribbean island.
      July 8, 2005
      ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) — The mother of Natalee Holloway apologized Friday for saying two released suspects were involved in her daughter’s disappearance. “The statements I made on July 5th were fueled by despair and frustration because of still not knowing where my daughter is,” Beth Holloway Twitty said in a statement to the media. “I think everyone, everyone can sympathize with that.”
      August 27, 2005
      (CNN) — After being detained and then released last month in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance, two brothers were arrested again Friday in Aruba on suspicion they acted “together with other people” in raping and killing the Alabama teen, the prosecutor’s office said. Without elaborating on the evidence, the office said in a statement that “new facts and circumstances” led them to re-arrest Satish Kalpoe, 18 and brother Deepak, 21. “They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately raping somebody,” the statement said.

    83. Allan K on April 1st, 2007 5:56 pm

      What about the school where the Gottenboros or whatever their name is, do you want your daughter attending there? Has the school notified the parents that he was associated with murder rape case that is supposedly still under investigation? I think not.

    84. mayan_moons on April 1st, 2007 5:56 pm

      What was the new evidence to arrest them again? Why hasn’t that info been leaked somehow? It hapened out of the blue so to speak & suprised me. There were plenty of doubts in my mind that the ALE were really trying to do the right thing but when they were re arrested i was so relieved.

      Now i’m just disgusted.

    85. 10061906 on April 1st, 2007 5:57 pm

      I’m not forgetting Natalee nor am I abandoning the cause. I feel that at this time since I have nothing further to add; I have personal and family issues that need addressing.
      I agree with Woods. There are many involved with Natalee’s death and disappearance but I feel even more are involved with the cover up.
      I have given a motive. Natalee was picked out of revenge for resisting advances although a female tourist was going down that night. It just happened to be Natalee..
      I have given the method of rendering Natalee unconscious: drugs and starter fluid.
      I have mentioned at best where I think it happened.
      I believe the Lion’s Den is real but again a diversion away from Montana.
      I have listed all that I think were involved with the “Shark Fest”.
      “We have done this at least 20 times before and nothing bad ever happened”.
      (with that statement do you have to get hit in the head with a 2×4?).
      I have stuck out my neck by saying she was probably cremated and by whom.
      “What you seek is not hidden”. I feel could only mean a transformation.
      I have nothing against Tim but I sure would like to know what makes him feel Natalee is two miles out in the ocean at a depth of 800 feet. First of all everyone refers to it as the ocean; it is the Caribbean Sea and furthermore that would be almost 8 squares miles of “ocean” to search.
      Almost all searches and leads have taken us away from Montana.
      I also feel that when Beth arrived she was very close to finding Natalee. Albeit dead.
      The diversion to the Wyndram looking for Joran, gave them time to move Natalee.
      The no search warrant for the Sloot’s property is a giveaway.
      Anita can describe Natalee’s under garments. She saw them at Joran’s apartment.
      Joran can describe aspects of Natalee’s body that could only be known if she were nude.
      Deepak’s look a like taxicab.
      C and C’s watch people put things in your drink.
      The pastor of St. Ana refusing to talk to Dave for three days.
      The dead caretaker.
      The dead mechanic R.W. Benson.
      Paulus’ vehicle being towed away for search and destroy evidence.
      I still believe there are hidden cameras or were at the HI in the guest rooms.
      And on and on and on. And on….
      If anyone else should piece together a different scenario; please it is welcomed and needed. Just remember Occam’s Razor.
      I will continue to read SM; I just may not be posting..
      Thank you, and it is not goodbye to friends and acquaintances; merely avoir.

    86. Patti on April 1st, 2007 6:11 pm

      Thank You, so much 10061906!

      The amount of work that you have put into the case of
      Natalee Holloway is an inspiration. You are a blessing
      and should I ever have a child missing, God forbid, I’d
      want you on my side.

      Avoir, my friend… until we meet again.

    87. mayan_moons on April 1st, 2007 6:26 pm

      What did the paster say to Beth & Dave when he did see them?

    88. Carpe Noctem on April 1st, 2007 6:27 pm

      Hey Brother Hammus!


      This is what ARUBA considers a fair & thorough

      investigation!!!! The Cop in charge of speaking to media

      at the beginning of the investigation ‘Edwin Comemencia’

      aka Papito owns his own

      tow truck company that towed Joran’s PARENTAL DISGRACE’S

      RED SUZUKI to “THE A.L.E. POLICE LAB.” Yeah right!

      What’s left, is effin Paulus a co-owner??? DIRTY TOW?

      Peopllllle, cut us brrreak… just how much more dirty

      and infected can this FARCE OF AN INVESTIGATION BY THE A.L.E. — The Natalee Holloway Case going to get?

      ARUBA is a sickness, on the size and scale of a Van der

      sloot family disease. -j4n

      Who’s had enough of the crap?

      Raise your “CAPS LOCK”

    89. ben on April 1st, 2007 6:54 pm

      looks like other people are going to and leaving remember Natalee Holloway messages at the shout it section….Lets take that over,until they find a way to keep us from posting.

    90. mayan_moons on April 1st, 2007 7:25 pm

      Before Natalee anyone looking up on Aruba wouldn’t have had true accurate information of crime on the island. Only when Natalee was stolen away & harmed did the ugly truth come out so i take issue with anyone saying Natalee or Beth or Anyone would’ve know what Aruba was really like.

    91. Rob on April 1st, 2007 7:41 pm

      Although I do not post here anymore, I feel that we are losing someone that ‘made a difference’.

      To 10061906- I wish you a speedy recovery and if you were to leave this world tomorrow, know that you are a מענטש…’mensch’.. you do a good deed without asking for anything in return.

      Beth, Dave and Natalee know that there are so many people out here that truly care about their family. That’s a good thing. In fact it’s BEAUTIFUL. It restored my faith in MANKIND.

      I have looked at everything that you have all looked at and the only scenario that ensures totally indemnity to Paulus and Joran is the cremation. It’s only logical. So I do agree.

      I remember making a post on the forum some time back, and in that post I stated that some of us may not be here to see this to a conclusion. Some may leave do to the trolls, the frustration and to health issues. I salute someone that carries on even tho- it’s not in their best interest health wise.

      As we move into the final 60 days, we need to re-focus all of our effort on the main suspects. To date I have seen nothing to make me believe that the main suspects are not THE suspects.

      It’s time to let all of the hostilities go and make this final push everything we all have. There will come a time after the 60 days to re-focus our efforts on the boycott and we will need better organizational skills to make it a success.

      There will be some that we do not see that are also doing what they can to make this a reality.

      There will be a time coming shortly that we will need the skills of Richard and others like him to make sure Aruba does not forget Natalee, Max, Richard, The Lubouovic Family, Amy, Buddy, and Gary and what happened to them and to also make sure as many people as possible are aware of the pitfalls that may await them should they travel to Aruba. We do not need anymore ‘Natalee Holloway’s'…

      Education is the only option we have to make sure that does not happen and people are well aware of the dangers of Aruba.

      10061906 – I wish you the best.


    92. Carpe Noctem on April 1st, 2007 7:41 pm

      let’s see

      ‘cool aruba’

      isn’t that like saying…

      “classy hooker?”

      These are things I think about,
      while pontificatin’ on
      the Johnny Hopper.(not)

    93. 2amforsure on April 1st, 2007 10:07 pm

      “There will be some that we do not see that are also doing what they can to make this a reality.”

      True words. There are some of us who don’t post much but are there for you all the way.

    94. Allan K on April 1st, 2007 10:45 pm

      Where is Bachus and Devries? Are they with Mr.Pink?

    95. Richard on April 1st, 2007 11:13 pm

      Another point: given how few people are on Aruba, how can it be that the police are so incompetent to deal with these chollers? I mean, Aruba has few people and is a small place. Of course, police competence is almost a dirty word on Aruba, but you know what I mean. These guys are out in the open, and they surely are well known to authorities.

      Maybe the drug lords are exerting their powers, now that any pretense of Aruba’s being a law-abiding place is over.

    96. Carpe Noctem on April 2nd, 2007 12:06 am

      Finding Natalee -

      “Hey, Where’s Everybody Going?”

    97. Carpe Noctem on April 2nd, 2007 12:07 am

      It was a setup.

    98. minnesota dad on April 2nd, 2007 12:40 am


      I minimize my posts here too for the most part.

      This case has been solved. For me, it is very obvious that Paulus Van Der Sloot is your perp with J2K and others accomplices or perpetrators of other crimes against Natalee.

      Way too obvious when you remember Paulus running down the road with his coat over his head, hiding in the bushes from Beth, sweating like a pig when questioned as if he were haunted, and finally hitting on Natalee at the casino the night she disappeared.

      Way too obvious when you recall that Aruba failed to search his home, judges did everything to distance him from the case, and law enforcement lost and destroyed evidence.

      Paulus is still out of reach of prosecution due to the letter his friend, Karin Janssen, wrote for him declaring him no longer a suspect. It was this letter that allowed his black robed friend to write a judgement distancing him from his crimes.

      The letter must be retracted and then the order reversed….but Aruba and the Dutch are dragging their feet here. This is the lynchpin that solves this case….and they don’t want it solved for obvious reasons. May 1 is approaching….and they will let the perp off of the hook on that day.

      It’s a shame….it is clear what happened, but Aruba does not care. Thus, shutter your businesses Aruba…we will never come to CRIME island! md

    99. Carpe Noctem on April 2nd, 2007 1:30 am

      Sunday, April 1, 2007

      While searching for information in the cases of those missing on Aruba, I come across all kinds of information. Some real and some totally FABRICATED.

      Recently I came across a piece of info that I had somehow forgotten about. got itself involved in the purposeful spreading of dis-information.

      A 14-year-old boy was “lost at sea” in Aruba a year ago. No body was recovered. now reports that there was a siting of the boy in Brazil.


      ” The hotel employee has again confirmed to the Amigoe today that the police had informed the hotel that Max de Vries is probably alive. The boy is supposedly in Brazil. The American Insurance Company had asked the Aruban police for more information. ”

      Apparently that link no longer works, but I remembered the story as if it was yesterday. The Story originally ran in the online version of and was used as a piece of propaganda to reach the intended audience in America.

      Several questions immediately leap to mind.

      1. Why is using Hotel Workers as investigative sources? Are they not part of the AHATA? Hardly seems like a reliable source for a missing person.

      2. This story ran on or about 7-14-2005. Why did Aruban Authorities feel it was important to distance themselves from the Max DeVries incident? Questions were now being asked about others missing on Aruba and the response from the Aruban Authorities was hardly reassuring. This could spiral out of control fast. They decided to begin to blame the VICTIMS for their own MISFORTUNE, otherwise known as CRIMINAL ACTS.

      3. In an effort to make it appear that the story is REAL, the story implies that the Aruban Law Enforcement are actively pursuing information requested by an American Insurance Company. Why? This one is easy to answer. They shift the blame to someone other than themselves.

      4. Who initiated this piece of PROGAGANDA? Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. He controls all communications on Aruba. When you control all communications, the BUCK STOPS THERE. He has no choice but to hold the ultimate responsibility even if others acted without his knowledge.

      5. What was the story’s ultimate purpose? The purpose is easily identified. It is again to make it appear as if Aruba did all it could to get a conclusion to Max’s case even though they did nothing and in fact obfuscated the ISSUES.

      6. According to the Aruban Authorities, Max was ‘lost’ in a tragic accident. Why the need to add this malicious act? Only on Aruba could someone come up with this ‘extra’ bit of pain already heaped on a grieving Family. Truly Heartless.

      Apparently this piece got the attention of everyone on the NET, and got people talking about things other than Natalee Holloway.

      SCUBAJAP Helps Out -

      Re: the Max De Vries story-
      This broke just around the time the brothers were released from jail, and had people thinking along different lines.
      Max de Vries was not alone when he went out on a jet ski, he was with a family friend David Stacy, 56. Max’s father had died 14 months before, and it could have been Mom’s boyfriend, but I think that was kind of quick, so I don’t know.
      David Stacy reported that Max’s jet ski stalled, and when he went to help Max, his stalled too.
      David then claimed the jet ski’s capsized and the two hung on. Max eventually tired, fell away and drifted off. Search and Rescue found David Stacy hanging on to the Jet skis I don’t know how many hours later. Max could not be found.
      Now supposedly, but this is rumor as far as I have been able to see, I haven’t found anything to confirm it on the net anywhere,
      David was arrested in the states on suspicion of murder because there was a very big life insurance policy on Max. Then it turns out that they brought the boy out of hiding in Brazil because it was all an insurance scam.
      I was told by someone that they saw it being reported on CNN, I have not been able to find any reference to it anywhere, but maybe some of you have more time and experience with that.
      This got a few people here thinking, but the police tell me there are no big insurance policies on Natalee.

      Posted by: scubajap | Tuesday, August 09, 2005 at 06:32 PM

      Scubajap lies and confuses the real issue, searching for the TRUTH in the cases of those that became CRIME VICTIMS on Aruba.

      In Aruba Lends A Hand -

      Paying it forward: The mother of Max is an Angel that God has given very dificult trials. She lost her husband, then 6 months later her son. Max de Vries broke the heart of Aruba and HE WAS the largest and most extensive and expensive search Aruba had ever done! WE started looking for Max within 45 minutes of his disapearance. The Aruba Search and Rescue Team together with a helicopter searched ALL NIGHT long, risking thier lives at night in the rough sea. The Royal Dutch Marines joined in, their Helecopter, and a Helicopter from Curacao came in to search. He rented a wave runner with a man his mother met at the pool at La Cabana. Aruba did every possible to find Max, but the currents swept him away. The man who sign responsibility for Max on the waverunner swam to shore in a different direction of Max. NEITHER fell off, they decided to swim in even after receiving instructions to NEVER LEAVE YOUR VESSLE – he signed the waver. His waverunner was found within 1/2 hour. You cannot blame Aruba! Aruba will always remember Max!

      Posted by: In Aruba | Monday, August 01, 2005 at 07:26 PM

      Michigan Mom gets it right and is not confused about what Aruba is REALLY all about.

      This young man was lost in Aruba in the spring of 2004. The mother still has no clear answer as to what happened to Max. No death certificate, no police report, and no help from the US or Aruban government. He went out on a jet ski with someone from the hotel that they were at, and never came back. Lost at sea.

      Another lost person in Aruba. :-(
      Michigan Mom

      Posted by: michigan mom | Monday, August 01, 2005 at 06:46 PM

      Aruba goes to the furthest reaches of lying to screw Families and VICTIMS. The Aruban Authorities spread the teachings of Joseph Goebbell’s in a horrible attempt to hang on to the American Dollars all the while slandering the VICTIMS and their Family Members. Truly shameful.

      With ‘newspapers’ like, and Aruba Today to do the DIRTY work of those in POWER it is easy to understand how and why the population of Aruba does not hold anyone accountable for the terrible set of circumstances they find themselves in currently. Only the Diario is not afraid to tell the TRUTH.

      Please notice in this post that ‘In Aruba’ states that the Search and Rescue Team got involved. I posted the name of the person that was involved with the Search and Rescue Team in a previous post. His name is Adolph Cruz, phone number – 297.962.1380

      Also please take note of the many similarities in both cases as described by ‘In Aruba’.

      1. Dutch Marines.

      2. Helicopter.

      3. Helicopter from Curacao. I believe this would be the black helicopter with the imaging device attached to the front used in Natalee’s case.

      The similarities are the same and so are the results.

      Remember the definition of ‘insanity’ is doing the same things again and again and expecting a different result. Unless, of course, the same result is the INTENTION.

      Posted by Zoltan at 7:50 AM 0 comments


    100. Carpe Noctem on April 2nd, 2007 1:34 am




      They do not give a s***, IT IS YOUR FAULT! (and that is the truth)

      You’re a scammer, a con-artist, or a whore.

      You were asking for it. Right?


      Boycott them ’til the doors fall off.


    101. mayan_moons on April 2nd, 2007 2:04 am

      I will never forget seeing the frantic, frightened look in Beth’s eyes and on her face in the first few weeks of Natalee being kidnapped & murdered.

      Beth…i think of you & Natalee everyday, she is loved and so are you.

    102. Tazman on April 2nd, 2007 2:42 am

      I didn’t know that the Aruban people were allowed to boycott!! When did that happen???

      Maybe they should get a little more daring, and protest the corrupt police, the Aruban travel industry, the prosecutors office, and whoever else within the government that has had a hand in Natalee’s case. Get Paulos and Anita in there too. Walk around with signs with all of the names of the people that should have and could have solved this case within the first month. Including but not limited to Dennis Jacobs, Dompig, Oduber and that ugly Julia Renfro. Ugga Wugga!!

    103. arubagirl on April 2nd, 2007 6:49 am

      Carpe, every single one of your posts have proven my point. Thank you so very much.

    104. Carpe Noctem on April 2nd, 2007 10:01 am

      Many do, Beth.

      I never forget it either Mayan.


    105. Carpe Noctem on April 2nd, 2007 10:02 am
    106. Carpe Noctem on April 2nd, 2007 10:49 am

      Aruba Girl, get a life. Go write about more
      killings on your floating turdlet of an
      island. You’re missin’ out on all the
      good choller knifings.

    107. Janet on April 2nd, 2007 11:29 am

      All this public exposure of the corruption within the “powers that be” on the tiny Island of Aruba that has result in an unsafe environment would never have happened if it had not been for the voice of an amazing lady by the name of Beth Twitty. Beth Twitty’s mission is no longer just about justice being afforded her beloved daughter … it is about warning others … it is about warning others considering Aruba as a vacation destination. If the “powers that be” had anticipating both the voice and actions of this determined mother … I am sure that they would have bowed to a loving step-father’s plea and … returned Natalee to her family … returned Natalee to her country.
      Beth Twitty
      ‘Scarborough Country’
      October 24, 2005
      HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Well, and I met with Prime Minister Oduber. I don’t care who you put the pressure on, where it comes from, but I want-you need to figure it out. You need to figure out who needs to apply the pressure and where it needs to be applied, because you have to solve this crime. I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.
      Beth Twitty
      ‘Scarborough Country’
      October 24, 2005
      HOLLOWAY TWITTY: … I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can.
      Jug Twitty
      ‘Scarborough Country’
      July 14, 2005
      TWITTY: Beth and I have been through this emotional roller coaster. And all we want is Natalee, whether she’s alive or dead. We want to bring her back to the United States, and we’ll leave and they can do whatever they want to do.

    108. ben on April 2nd, 2007 12:33 pm

      Would any one here ,who thinks beth is hurting aruba please tell us what you would do if your daughter was raped and murdered.

    109. susieq on April 2nd, 2007 2:32 pm

      10061906, Please take care. May God bless you and keep you, and bring you back to us. You are one of the true
      Scared Monkeys and you will be missed!

    110. Carpe Noctem on April 2nd, 2007 4:20 pm

      108 – Ben

      Me – I just don’t know… the brain says
      what the Holloways did is 100 percent
      correct. They were vocal about their
      displeasure, but in interview after
      interview, they always extended offer
      after offer for Aruba to redeem itself…
      and put forth some real effort into this sham (joke
      /farce) of an investigation.

      My heart would be telling me to hunt that f’r
      down, and do some Aruban Community Service.

      I think they’d call it TRASH PICK UP!

      Here is what the “SPORTER” would do…

      “I am the type of person who would beat that person
      up until he tells me everything he knows!” -Greta-FNC 3/2006


      MSNBC – Clint Van Zandt Interview of Deepak

      Deepak: This (Natalee Case) will never go away,
      they wanna hang us!

      Van Zandt: Would you let it go if you were Natalee’s

      Deepak: No

    111. Richard on April 3rd, 2007 6:12 am

      Another question: Why is it that the American government gives nothing but the back of its hand to an American family whose daughter is missing on this little island for two years?

      A few months ago, somewhere in Africa that is frequented by Italian tourists, a tour guide arranged with his friends to kidnap and assault three young Italian women. They then buried them in a hole in the forest and threw rocks at them until they thought all three were dead. And left them.

      You may think I’m joking; I’m not. I have this article in my files. One of the girls played dead, and so survived.

      But when the news broke, Italy sent a diplomatic observer to make sure that this was not swept under the table. And in two days or so, this country (I can come up with the name if you want, or you can find it on the Internet) had arrested four people. Not an Aruba arrest, where you’re let out of jail free; they’re slated for trial.

      Italy sent a diplomatic observer to make sure justice was done. WHAT HAS OUR GOVERNMENT DONE IN ARUBA? NOTHING.

    112. Miss-Underestimated on April 3rd, 2007 9:03 am


      Could it be that the US is respecting the judicial system of Aruba, waiting for Aruba to decide if IT will prosecute the case? I believe we are coming on the witching hour here, correct me if I am wrong?

      I am also wondering what Bachus has done to quite the case. He came out like a door buster, then quitely back into the hole. Makes me wonder what could be, that he would wimper down. I think you know what I mean.

      Even so, I think part of the USA is that we have a certain respect for others judicial systems to run its course and Good Lord only knows what Aruba is feeding our ppl to buy time. Either way I think that when Aruba make their decision we will see, that they have been stalling us.
      Then I hope that the US comes out like Cowboys.

    113. LL on April 3rd, 2007 10:41 am

      Why the obsession over Natalee Holloway? One missing woman in a world of missing women, children and men who weren’t drinking and using drugs 24/7 before their disappearance. Is her Mother paying ya’ll to post?


      SM:  No, is ATA paying you to post? (klaasend)

    114. Miss-Underestimated on April 3rd, 2007 10:49 am

      LL=Lousy Loser

    115. Carpe Noctem on April 3rd, 2007 11:35 am

      I think the real obsession here is that
      the murdering, gangraping, Van der sloots
      are not in jail… & Aruban Polis cut them
      loose for murdering Natalee.

      The Van der sloots,
      the Aruban Black Plague.

      IMO That is why people are so up in arms, I think.

    116. ben on April 3rd, 2007 12:43 pm

      113,think about what you said.every one of those missing people need some one like beth .

    117. Janet on April 3rd, 2007 1:18 pm

      113. LL

      You just do not get it!

      The obssession is not about one American teen who went missing under suspicion circumstances on the Island of Aruba. It is about the perception of coverup by those within the Aruban investigation to protect there own from being implicated in the events of the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing … it is about the perception that justice was denied.

      GET IT!!!

      Paulus Van der Sloot
      NOVA – June 28, 2005
      TWAN HUYS: Which function do you have here at the island? Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?
      PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.
      HUYS: So, you are replacement judge?
      VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
      HUY: Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors’ office that ordered your detention?
      VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general.
      HUYS: So, you also know the current prosecutor general?
      VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
      HUYS: Mrs. Croes.
      VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
      HUYS: Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?
      VAN DER SLOOT: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.
      HUYS: Who was that in your case?
      VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.
      HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.
      VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.
      HUYS: And you know each other very well?
      VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
      Full credit and acknowledgment for this translation goes to Jacob, who posts under the nickname, “dugo” on the Natalee Holloway chat on

    118. Miss-Underestimated on April 3rd, 2007 1:33 pm

      113….We know there are murders and rapist out there and they are held to their own accord. But when a governement knowingly covers up and maybe … assisting in the disposal of Natalee’s body, you got problems . Your gonna have alot of ppl who will hold on till exhaustion to protect other tourist from going to your island. They won’t give up until the pig sty keepers tell where Natalee is. Hog wash Aruba your pig(s) are stinkin. Even the water you try to wash all those pigs with stinks.

      This won’t go away. We will remind everyone, at every turn, what Aruba has done. BTW I see empty beaches again.

      More currency out there, which I hope come to your island
      “Boycott Aruba…Justice for Natalee Holloway”

      Mr. Dompig, you said they are guilty…what did your son tell you, to change your statements? Why are you all trying to protect they very people who destroyed your island?

    119. Miss-Underestimated on April 3rd, 2007 1:44 pm

      that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

      What happened to that charge and why?

      Also is Dugo Jacobs?

    120. mayan_moons on April 3rd, 2007 5:58 pm

      Wonder how many people would *obsess* as post #13 put it over them should they meet the same fate as Natalee. Aruban’s just don’t get it how we can ne so concerned about one of our own (Natalee).

      You Aruba made your choice to protect your local criminals but to think that we won’t do everything we can to warn people to stay away makes ya’ll look soo stupid.

    121. mayan_moons on April 3rd, 2007 6:28 pm

      Asking if Beth was paying us to post says much more about you than anything we have said. Its like you people are Jealous of Beth Dave and Natalee and ALL the support they’ve gotton and the fact that they DON’T have to pay anyone to do anything. That really gets Aruba’s goat….don’t it chump?

    122. Allan K on April 3rd, 2007 6:59 pm

      LL you would never understand. You are soulless and brain dead.

    123. Carpe Noctem on April 4th, 2007 11:11 am

      “Asking if Beth was paying us to post says much more about you than anything we have said.”

      I would gladly pay Beth for the privilege of slammy jammin’ that Electro-Lux Turbo dillus on a daily basis. He took away her one and ONLY daughter for life!

    124. yoyo muffintop on April 4th, 2007 3:38 pm

      mayan – you need to replace the “we” in you last sentencein post #120 with “everyone but myself”, since there was a call to action and you didn’t show up.
      Now, what if there was a protest in Aruba and only 5 people showed up. What would you say about that? Or even 1 for that matter, since if you do the math and 5 divided by 300mill equals ?% and 1 divided by 100,000 equals ?%. Sure, it’s possibly apples to oranges, but you get the point. If only 1 showed up to protest, would you even know, and what would your reaction be?

    125. Carpe Noctem on April 4th, 2007 5:26 pm

      “Now, what if there was a protest in Aruba and only 5 people showed up. What would you say about that?”

      Well, sounds like…

      That big 9 foot franken-pussy of a client of yours
      would be getting out of jail and getting ready
      to do a press conference after murdering

      That’s what a 5 person protest in Aruba is… Joran Van der Sloot “The Uncaptured Aruban Rapist/Murderer’s” on camera release party!!!

    126. dennisintn on April 4th, 2007 6:38 pm

      all we’ve seen from aruba are protests against natalee’s family and the media for telling the truth about natalee’s case, higher taxes, and drug addicts raising hell. most of them don’t seem to care about human beings, just money and possessions.

    127. mayan_moons on April 4th, 2007 8:26 pm

      yo yo what the hell are you talking about? you’re dismissing my interest in seeing the killer’s of Natalee pay for their crimes coz i couldn’t go to Boston?

    128. dennisintn on April 5th, 2007 3:01 pm

      #ll3, janet, paulus’ assertion that he was a replacing judge is a lie. even before natalee went to aruba, paulus had been informed that he had not been chosen as a judge, he had not passed the qualifications of some sort. the fruit didn’t fall too far from the tree in paulus and jvds’ case.

    129. SUPER DAVE on April 5th, 2007 3:34 pm

      yoho: if only 1 had shown up that would still be a 100% better effort than aruba has shown. all you have shown us so far is ignorance and stupidity and a craving for drugs, rape, and murder. i forgot to add lying to your efforts as well !

    130. shelly62 on May 3rd, 2007 5:53 pm

      For those who don’t know, the protest against the chollers was for an AMERICAN!! Michael Saladin is an American, who lives in Aruba. And they did it honoring him knowing that this could be another ‘Nattaly Holloway’ case of bad publicity for Aruba.

    131. hb on August 9th, 2009 1:22 pm

      So if I read all the comments stated above then I can not go to the states anymore, then I can not go to south america anymore.
      what happened with all those lost lives in those countries? how many of those are still unsolved.
      Now there happened a case on Aruba and suddenly the world is to small.
      Do you really know what happened shortly after the incident? People from the states came to Aruba to see the island where Nathalie dissapeared.
      To see where it all happened.
      Now somebody needs to explain me which mind is more damaged.
      i think that there has been done a lot of things to try to find out what is going on. and yes maybe the island did not manage it very well like they do in the states. but do you know why that is? because here on this lovely island we don’t have the same experience as in the states where hundreds maybe thousands of people die and dissapear daily.
      I agree that crime is getting more and more. but i see the same in Miami and in NY and go on.
      As long as people come to Aruba and buy drugs there will be people to sell it.
      Yesterday I got 2 americans buying drugs from another american guy.
      think about that.

    132. Facts on August 25th, 2009 3:57 pm

      Carpe Noctem, get your facts right… Edwin (PAPITO) Comenencia is not the owner of PAPITO TOWING SERVICES N.V…… Henk Albert (PAPITO) Soliana is the owner……

    133. Kermit on January 9th, 2011 8:55 pm

      Maybe the best paper I have read ever!?!


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