RSSAruba Vacation … Arribe Aruba, NOT. Nice Try by the ATA … Aruba. “One Unhappy Island”
Recently there was a post in NY Metro regarding vacationing in Aruba. The article was an obvious pathetic attempt to get people to go back to travelling to Aruba in hopes that people will have forgotten that Aruba did nothing to provide justice for missing Alabama teenager, Natalee Holloway.
The lengths that the Aruban tourism will go to hide the fact they just wanted the Natalee Holloway story to go away is pathetic. Instead of providing justice, they just want everyone to forget. Fat chance.
Aruba got a bad rap after Natalee Holloway went missing in 2005, but those who know Aruba know the island is safe — and more than $250 million has been invested into its tourism industry, according to the Aruba Tourism Authority, with many hotel renovations wrapping up in recent months.
Aruba did not get a bad wrap. It was finally exposed for what it really is. A place where they want people to drop money and if something happens to a tourist they will at all cost hide, obstruct and interfere in an investigation. No one expects or ever dreams that something will happen when they go on vacation. However, if you travel to Aruba you now know that nothing will be done on your behalf to provide you justice. If you have no problem with that, then Aruba is the perfect place for you. If you are a self-centered individual who cares nothing of what happens to other, once again you have found the perfect destination.
Maybe the article could have be wrote as follows:
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Posted April 8, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, boycott, Crime, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway | 198 comments |
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Aruba can go suck eggs through a straw. The way their economy looks now, that’s all they can afford.
HAPPY EASTER! =)
yeah let em suck rotton eggs thru a bartender straw for all we care!
Happy Easter to you too Carpe!~
you could add that when tourists go missing on the island or any harm befalls them, it’s always the fault of the victim and their family who would desperately like to take them home in whatever shape they’re found, if they’re ever found at all. aruba will be obliged to smear the victim’s reputation with lie after lie and would laugh if asked if the perps are ever going to be prosecuted. not on aruba, it just doesn’t happen. if you feel you have to help aruba, just send a cash donation to the aruban red cross so they can pay for their booth at carnival time and help hapless victims of the “reveling”. spend your vacation money somewhere else that will provide you with a modicum of warnings against local perils such as dengue fever, aggressive illegal drug dealers on the beaches, hotels, and street corners, bandits rummaging around in your hotel rooms, and violence in the bars and restaurants. plus you won’t have to deal with other travelers who care little for for themselves or others who can get no help from the govt. with their problems. if you rent a car, put the wheel covers in the trunk, addicts steal them and the rental companies charge your insurance company an arm and a leg for replacements.
dennisintn
That NY Metro article had a place where you could click and give a response. You could also choose whether to allow it to be published (your address and email would not be divulged, it said).
I replied. I hope other readers here will hunt it down and do likewise. The article itself was typical tourist frippery about sunsets on the beaches and what there is to eat and drink. Mindless nonsense.
We know what Aruba really is. Let’s spread the word.
Is it worthwhile? You bet your life … just as anyone who goes there now is unwittingly doing. Stand up for Natalee!
Nope, the article was posted by yet another satisfied visitor to One Happy Island; which, by the way, is having a great 2007, following a slight (but by no means fatal) drop in tourism numbers in 2006.
Now someone explain to me how all of this venom spewed at Aruba is supposed to help find out what happened to Natalee.
http://tinyurl.com/ywmw7m
Just after NH disappeared there were several billboards around Houston that wanted you to vacation in Aruba. I don’t see these anymore? But who wants to go to Aruba, the Nightmare Island?
Even so “you say” we were finally exposed for what we truly are, Americans still come here….I wonder why?
Wasn’t the Natalee disappearance every single day on the news? Isn’t there still a boycott in effect? Or you mean that the Americans who come to Aruba are ignorant? Is that what is trying to be said here? Are all the US-airlines who fly daily to Aruba and some even fly more then twice a day and even more frequently during the weekends also ignorant? For e.g. are all of the 8 flights from only NY on Saturday, not charter but scheduled flights, flown by ignorant airline company who fly ignorant tourists? Or how about the flights from Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, Charlotte, Washington, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, Detroit? Let’s all run and write a letter to them asking them to stop their flights or another e.g. how about writing to MSN.com for making Aruba (ABC islands) vacation spot # 1 for the spring-time last week. All of them have done a big No No so you would say.
I do believe Aruba has been slaughtered enough times on the news, enough for people to have made their decisions whether or not to come to Aruba. For some strange reasons they still come. You may say in less numbers but I beg to differ. Now before any of the so called “magnificent Boston five” come and reply out of pure anger, your beef is with Liar Joran who lives in Arnhem, Holland and I really don’t care for him for what he has done, to me he is a Dutch Guy, not an Aruban who has fooled us all and has ran to Holland to be safe, where there’re no Arubans to harass him. He has heard my opinion and also of many other Arubians one night at a bowling ally on the island, when he was back on the island for vacation. We all know he is hiding something, but due to his well instructed clan of people surrounding him he has manage to some way to get away for now. I have expressed my personal opinion on this blogg in the past on what I truly think about Dutch People. Arubans are very fast to be accused on this blogg, and also the Aruban government for not doing anything and / or standing up. We live here by the separates of power (known as Trias Politicas) where no government has power over the law in no way what so ever and can never ever instruct no one to be locked up based on stories where there isn’t hard proof on paper and also above no judge (no influence). We don’t have a jury system here on the island, where based on a story and little hard facts a person can be condemned for a crime.
They WERE mistakes made and I’m agreeing to that. That’s why for e.g. Van der Straten has not been asked to stay on the island for another term and also that’s why Karen Jansen has been relieved and not asked to stay another working term. You have called for the US and Holland to take over the case, well Holland has the case now in their hands.
I’ve noticed your hate that is directed only to Aruba. Every single “negative” local news gets posted here. If you say you are causing big time injury to my Island in any way possible, then confide in your own believes. I for one can surely say other or no wait I’m also ignorant right?
No justice,NO F—ing money for Screwruba.
Boycott in full affect,till the perps are locked up!!
ONE HAPPY VILE ISLE…WHOOOA!
Aruba has made there own bed. Now have fun laying in it you morons. Not the cool decent dutch or other arubans out there you know whom you are just the ones no matter what the nationality whom took natalee used and abused her then covered it up throughout there government to protect there own. How disgraceful and to think that everyone was going to just let it slide. Yeah right. There must have been some high rollers in on the filth that night at the van der sloots home where they took natalee. Like paulus said he know more but cant talk right now for it may hurt alot of people. Yeah him and his buddie perverts. Let the truth be told and if they dont want to talk then let the justice system show its true colors if they have one. Who is the Hauge protecting in the woven web of perversion? I wouldnt go to aruba for nothing. That place blows big time. The local boys dont even have enough personality or social skills to pick a chick the old fashion way. They had so many other options to get her back safely to her hotel. Bend over Joran time to meet John Holmes and bring your sisters guido, deepak, and satish. And bring your mother Pauletta van der sweat. Tell steve croes to be thinking for an alibi for you.
The truth comes out in the desert island of mirages.
aruba sucks worse than anything that ever scked before !!!
Beavis & Butthead
Happy Easter everyone.
Aruba, why don’t you defend your self with facts of this case.
You’ve done nothing but cover up the case of Natalee Holloway, hardly a bad rap, more a deserved warning to all who contemplate visisting your island
ARUBA is a DEATH ISLAND
#8 – Your Island is running rampant with corruption at every level and none of you demand that something be done! Why is that?
Politicians with mediocre positions and salaries are living the good life, driving luxury vehicles and spending weekends on their yachts. All the while more and more taxation takes place, which saps the life-blood out of the average citizen on your Island. Why aren’t people protesting this treatment?
Your Prime Minister openly speaks of his allegiance with Hugo Chavez and his desire to break ties with the Netherlands. Yet, you expect American citizens to spend their vacation hours and their hard earned money on your desert Island.
It is not our tradition to turn a blind eye toward graft and corruption. We do not standby silently while politicians attempt to empty our pockets for their own benefit. We do not forget when our children are stolen away by out of control teenagers and a whole country ignores the obvious facts, while all along trying to feed us chit-on-a-shingle.
Over the past two years just how many times did we hear your representatives tell us we just didn’t understand your system. Well, she was damn right about that one! Your “system” changes with the direction of the wind and is dished out based upon who knows who and who has the deepest pockets. It comes down hard on some and covers for others. That is not a justice system. That is a biased political machine!
Stop with the tourist propaganda already and cleanup that rock you call paradise!
Well Aruba couldn’t or won’t fix the mess their in the proper way by doing a proper investigation and bringing those responsible to justice so now it looks like their just going to try and ignore what happened to Natalee and revise history.
If the Arubans think their governmemt screwed up then call for changes….I have heard them do that yet, has anyone else?
Would you Arubans that have posted here want your daughters disappearence handles this way if they showed up missing in America? Would you like to be told to go to the bar and have a beer…she’ll show up she is probably in some crack house. Would you like to have them ask the Mothers government if she was related to Hitler? Would you like to be forced to apologize for telling the truth when he adductors are called out in public?
The way most Americans feel is that instead od worrying about your precious tourism you should have done the right thing and brought the perps responsible to justice…believe me the tourism thing would have never been an issue.
gosh that was an awful lot
of post to prove once
again that Gabriel Leo
is an effin enflamed
jackass.
Hey GL, next time pack light! LOL
http://tinyurl.com/2csyva
gee zoo fits!
-j4n
Aruba is not tainted merchandise. No family in the right minds would send thier daughters there…no school would ever sponsor a trip there now. You islans is broke and no amount of lying to yourselfs will fix that. No amount of false ad campaigns will fix that. The only thing that will is cleaning house and bringing the perps to justice…then and only then can the island start to heal but it will take time.
Make that tainted merchandise
BTW I’m a different Mike then #15….but I like his thinking
Sorry, didn’t realize there was already another Mike posting here. But, I do agree with the other Mike’s sentiments.
Aruba is down for the count! They suck, they are laughable. I am all too happy to keep kicking them in the face for what they have done to Natalee Holloway and her family.
They have tortured this family. PERIOD.
Aruba is sh-t. They are nothing.
>ARUBAN FRAUDULENT HACKS
“It’s the Aruban way. It’s a mindset.”
It is criminal,
…and I am done putting up with it.
-j4n
Mike you can be Mike I’ll be Michael ok?
Does anyone buy Valero gas….that Aruban isn’t it?
________________
SM: Valero is actually a US company that has a facility in Aruba (klaasend)
…and what is up with this dodgy beaver?
http://tinyurl.com/2qofmr
Can someone link me with the Metro article?
Never mind
Gabriel: #8
I’m sorry… I don’t get it. How can you sit there and admit that there are problems with the investigation on one hand and fault us for the boycott with the other? It very well may be the Dutch that is the problem in Aruba, but who’s fault is that? Isn’t it true that the corruption that you like to blame on the Dutch is the direct result from the people of Aruba allowing themselves to be totally dependent upon them? How long can you rely upon them to take care of your business, blindly trusting them to do the right thing for Aruba, before things go awry? We as Americans are not interested in anymore of your finger pointing. We don’t care to get involved with your empty excuses about how it’s the Dutch, while the Dutch are pointing their finger back to Aruba. The crime took place in Aruba. There was no justice in Aruba, and the only one, at this point, to be held responsible is Aruba.
I don’t care to hear about your justice system. You have, not only, allowed a confessed murderer to avoid sentencing; but, you have also allowed him to leave your country, as well. You would just love to send us tracking your criminal all over the world; when, in reality, the true crime – the absolute worse crime lies in the hands of Aruba. It is bad enough that we have psychopaths walking among us, but when a country purposely allows them to avoid prosecution, like Aruba has, that is unforgivable.
You want to cry about the boycott effecting your tourism, when it was your very own Prime Minister that placed that chip on the table. It was your own minister that said that revealing the circumstances behind the death of Natalee Holloway would be bad for tourism. I, for one, am here to say that covering the crimes against Natalee is going to be worse.
You want to cry about us being judgemental of you… calling you heartless and cruel because of the actions of one man; while you refuse to admit that the one man that is the most responsible for your demise is your own Prime Minister. If there is one man that can speak for his countrymen, is it not your Prime Minister? If he prooves to be heartless and cruel, while his people support him, does that not mean that the island is supportive of such actions? Is not your country to be judged upon the actions of their, own, government? You say that you are a democracy, you placed these crooks in power over you, and it is up to you to monitor their actions… not us.
Please, look to your own. Pluck the sand from your own eye, before finding fault with others. The sooner Aruba admits that there is a problem, the sooner they can fix it. If it is the Dutch that are at fault, fix it. But, please, don’t rely upon us to fix your problems and to put your interests ahead of our own… that’s what got you in trouble in the first place.
Justice for Natalee
If Aruba does not stand up for justice in a crime committed against the weakest one among you, a little girl from a foreign land, then there is no justice to be had for anyone in Aruba.
Boycott!
First- HAPPY EASTER TO ALL.
This is for the HOLLOWAY FAMILY- I do not HATE anyone. I am no longer angry. I have cried all of the tears for you and NATALEE that I can. I look at her beautiful face and I see an ANGEL. Would I cry if Jurine got hit by a car, heck no. Do I wish it…no. As I believe every dog has his day, so I believe that the ppl involved will get theirs. If I say angry things on this board, its because I get frustrated with the STUPIDITY and cruel things being said about NATALEE and BETH. We are not mean and hateful ppl here [the true monkeys]. We are just tired of the injustice.
TO GABRIAL[sp]- I have read some of the mean things you said in the beginning of all of this and now you come on this blog to defend LIERUBA…you are just wrong. SATANS ISLAND will continue to do bad as long as there are no answers as to what happened to NATALEE. IT JUST WORKS LIKE THAT. KARMA its called.
Bottom line – Do you want to take a vacation where the possiblility exists where you yourself or your female companion could get drugged so that some one can commit a sexual assault on them? This to me says everything and the Aruban cops do nothing about it.
The newlyweds that got stuck on the tarmac during their honeymoon to Aruba two months ago had fate intervene for them in a good way. And they don’t even know it.
This is the LORDS DAY…I will be glad and rejoice in it. I believe that we will get answers and then the guilty will be punished, if not by the law[and I use that term loosly]than by a higher being. I pray and {I hope you all will too} that the guilt that is in the perps hearts will over ride the fear and someone will drop a dime. I ask GOD to touch someones heart and make them come clean. This is my EASTER prayer.Peace to Natalees family on this Holy Sunday.
“There Were Mistakes Made”
Maaaan is that the understatement of the year.
What has been done to make sure those *mistakes* don’t happen again Gabe?
NOTHING!
Just because Aruba is paying a ton of money on these tourist Ads doesn’t mean American’s are going to flock there ok. I’m OK with ATA throwing their (your) money down a hole in the US coz the agencys pay taxes on those Ads and it makes Aruba look so needy.
To all,
Happy Easter. What a great day!
It seems to be a general consensus that Natalee was murdered and then later cremated. I tend to agree with this but-if not cremated, then what and where?
Several possibilities come to mind:
1. Taken to sea (has a lot of credibility with me).
2. Buried in the landfill, and still there. (I always believed Junior, and I think
he was telling the truth as he saw it in his minds-eye. However, his truth
may not be the truth (deep).)
3. Dropped down an airshaft at an old gold mine. (1906 can tell you about
the difficulty of recovering a body under such circumstances).
4. Buried on the Sloot property. (Works for me, and the remote viewers.)
Plus-serial killers like to have their victims near by.
5. Buried in a remote location, or on the golf course.
6. Removed alive from the island and taken to a remote location. (My
favorite. I would add to this-taken off the island, unhurt, and untouched.
Remote I know).
Why does describing what happen to the body of a beautiful, vibrant, young lady disturb me so much? It just saddens me to the core.
Jerry
At the end of the day, after the Aruban sunset has passed
over the horizon… and Boeti has fired up his first
crack rock of the night…
IT IS ABOUT BUSINESS. Bottom line.
If your largest customer says there is a problem…
GUESS WHAT, Peter Cottontail?
> Yes, yes… >HOUSTON,
you HAVE A big a$$ PROBLEM.
Perception is everything!
Fix the problem; keep the customer. It really is that simple.
What happened to Natalee is a problem! It is a 6 foot
5 inch problem that is still walking around.
…along with three much shorter walking
around problems. ‘ROOBA, I tish u NOT! It is
time to fix the problems.
We need to see a man about a thing, I know a guy.
… but I digress…
Happy Eggies, EVERYBODY -j4n
# 27
Never said anyone was crying. It just funny how everybody quiestions why after so much effort you guys put into boycotting Aruba, why your OWN stil continue to come here. The rest of your comment is your comment and won’t comment further on it. Bottom line is if you truly believe your actions are huge blows to Aruba, then go ahead and confide in your believes, no one is stopping you from doing that.
And Carpe Noctem (J4N) very cute with the links, but pls don’f forget the other ones to:
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OR
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OR
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Hey thanks for
the help, Tupac!
http://tinyurl.com/2g72dc
I for one can surely say other or no wait I’m also ignorant right?
—
Not at all, Gaybe.
‘Ignorant’ is a term for people who don’t
know they are effin stupider than a
jack hammer.
You’re effin stupid, and proud of it! You should
have to pay extra taxes or something, just for the
privilege of being a certified hippopotamus
corn hole. -j4n
The ATA itself testifies to the adverse impact on tourism over the last two years. Enough said. What our Aruban visitors to this forum fail to understand, evidently, is that the tourism is not the goal.
The goal is to get answers in the Natalee Holloway case, and punishment for anyone who injured Natalee in any way.
The boycott is only one tool in the campaign to achieve this goal. One of many. Judging from the heated invective that is being hurled at those of us who urge people not to go, methinks a certain Aruban doth protest too much.
Whether or not someone is in the “Boston five” is irrelevant. The use of that phrase suggests a certain apprehension that the boycott bandwagon is growing.
But stunts like Oduber’s declaring war on a newspaper in his own country, and forbidding his party members to buy a copy, a la Venezuela’s Chavez, are the best possible evidence that the whole place is breaking down. Expect to see more harsh words directed at the “One Happy Island.”
As ye sow, so shall ye reap….
Jerry (32) … If number 6 of your choices is the truth, I think it’s too much to hope for to look for “unhurt and untouched.” But still alive (in a way) … perhaps.
So if the boycott is doing nothing why not leave us to our activities if they make us feel better, as though we are doing something to help bring justice?
Why do the hotels report only 76 to 83% occupancy?
We are not the offending party here, Aruba is. We have not refused to investigate and prosecute–Aruba has.
If Aruba could demonstrate against Beth Twitty, they could for her as well but they don’t care. They forced her to apologize and threatened to “shut her up”! Why?
What kind of police force is thrown totally off track by a grieving parent? That would get you fired in a heartbeat in this country as would trashing a victim.
Perhaps it is a cultural thing but we take a very, very dim view of trashing victims and their parents and their entire country.
As for that “system” we have heard about until we could barf, doesn’t seem to work too well from where I am sitting, pretty shabby in fact. Worse than nothing! Might as well not have a system if it doesn’t work at all as appears to be the case in Aruba. Corrupt judges are far worse than an open trial by jury. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. Those with plenty to hide hold secret, closed hearing controlled by the best friends of the defendants! In our system, those closely acquainted with the defendants recuse themselves instead of subverting justice.
I never appreciated our own judicial system so much until I saw a truly incompetent one. Based on size alone, for every trial conducted in Aruba there have likely been tens of thousands ones brought to a successful conclusion under our system and yet we get this total crap like theirs is even close to equal let alone superior. It isn’t!
Results count and speak for themselves. And we actually hold liars accountable, too.
G leo,,Not all Americans Know about the Natalee Holloway case that is a sad fact.The ones that do and still vacation there MAKE ME SADDD.I never heard Of natalee until her tragic death,and now i can not for get her.I do not consider myself a soft heart,but Natalee has touched it in a way know other has.THOSE WHO HAVE FELT THAT TOUCH WILL NEVER FORGET HER.
Justice for all innocent people in prisons around the world.
Bon Pascu di Resureccion, y’all!
Your little parody was very amusing but it is nothing more than fiction. The truth is, Aruba is doing fine. Your attempts to affect tourism failed on two fronts. (1) Aruba did not crumble under the weight of your misguided boycott and (2) the case was not brought one inch closer to resolution as a result.
Do you ever ask your selves why are we calling for a boycott of a peaceful, stable, pro-American democracy? It doesn’t make sense to me.
PARTY NIGHT, BOYS NIGHT OUT…
Aruba Style!!!
http://tinyurl.com/2bg6ls
to Gabriel Leo
Comments from Aruba Board
I agree would should not put all our eggs in one basket, but
until then, we have to realize that those tourists bring in a lot of money and its effecting businesses and the Aruba economy.
I agree would should not put all our eggs in one basket, but until then, we have to realize that those tourists bring in a lot of money and its effecting businesses and the Aruba economy.
great post ________.. But you know that our people have failed. and also too many corrupted people around this case…as in the U.S. and in Aruba
But I still have hope and I believe that Aruba will come out clean of this case.
the scared monkey’s site is one site that i’ll not spent my time in.
and as an Aruban I can’t talk or think about…anti Aruba. But if Aruban’s people are wrong they are wrong. And why they have to spoil a Beautiful friendly Island as Aruba…for some corrupted people…???
The Arubans will never understand. AK
Then, there is an Aruban cop, Paul Suete in trouble now for asking for $$$’s in exchange for what happened to Natalee.
Arubas response
gernuar
Commodore
Representative of Aruba
Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Aruba
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5745
I have not been inform about an supposed cop who you mentioned the name. Nor is an single police in trouble concerning this case.
But I going to inform him about you and your comment and your impliying him in.
Originally posted by Colleen
Aruba is not beautiful because of the way they handled the murder and or disappeareance of Natalie Hollaway! This is a disgrace. I am sorry but I will never ever go to Aruba because of this.
First of all welcome to the _____________
Aruba is not beautiful because of the way they handled the murder and or disappeareance of Natalie Hollaway! This is a disgrace. I am sorry but I will never ever go to Aruba because of this.
Listen Colleen, people like you that has an poor mentality, we on Aruba is more than glad for not having you here. We don’t need you. Seriously !!!!!! You can not make any diferance for us neither.
You should delete all Natalee Holloway threads on this site. It makes Aruba look bad. It’s best we don’t talk about it at all.
1. Some Americans don’t have a sense of the right thing to do, they will do the wrong thing for money.
2. Don’t worry I do think a travellers warning to Aruba will come and if it doesn’t I will be there to help the uninformed.
3.I agree with you about the law I haven’t seen much of that either.
4.Mistakes made. Yeah! Stratten was retiring anyway, you try to make it like Aruba ran him off.
5. I never had any faith in Holland with conviction.
6. Holland called Karen Jansen back. Aruba did not run her off either. You try and make it sound like Aruba correcting mistakes in which that is not the case.
Further more youre stupid cops help the perps get away with it. Or either corrupt to the bone!
8. I feel your hate for Americans Gabriel Leo and also see how you would treat us in Aruba. Go back and get out of Florida.
Hey Gabriel Leo: Do you know these guys ole buddy?
So far they have managed to dodge the bullet
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Do you know this place? Its across the street from the police station in Noord, isn’t it?
St. Ana Church Crypts
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St Ana Church
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By the way go back to this photo.
I believe it is inside the Holiday Inn.
I wonder if he is looking at the hidden camera?
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Aruba is a toilet bowl!
What a place, flush often.
Got blue pucks?
I liiiiike those. F. GUMP
If only the person that took the Chicago video’s would come forward, and tell whar they know, this case could be solved, and we all would know where Natalie is.
This would be the best Easter present that her family could have..hope that person has enough guts to do do..
Thanks for listening…Is it possible that the person that took the video’s is Shango?
#4l, roflmao, all the innocent people in prison? hell, they’re all innocent, every single one of them will look you right in the eye, just like jvds, and swear on their mother’s grave that they’re innocent. we ought to let them all out. brilliant, just brilliant.
dennisintn
Hey Leo,
Instead of bitching about everything why didn’t you and your buddies take jurine out back and get the truth out of him and send back her body to her family and then your tourism will repair itself. Until some of you pussies can do that, quit bitching.
Ratface, How about going back to Aruba and stay. I am ashamed that you live in Alabama.
Oh Gabby
We don’t want ya to crumble yet, we’re still busy kicking Aruba in the head!
lol dennisintn
they’re a riot aye?~
“oooh we are doing fine”
yeeeeah you just keep telling your self that
Perhaps some comments here about Aruba are on the strong side. Tough. The fact is, as of May 29, 2005, the Americans with negative feelings about Aruba were probably those who had suffered robbery, assault, rape, or other crimes. They got little publicity. Much of the rest of the country probably took in, without thinking about it, the vacation image that Aruba sought to sustain and the media passed along.
Then Natalee Holloway vanished.
Aruba itself hasn’t changed too much, but our perception of Aruba certainly has. People simply didn’t know about it before Natalee, because … probably … nobody cared.
Now the truth is out. Entirely the doing of the Aruban government, which has covered up the case since day one.
Now we will not forget. Our politicians may turn their heads; our travel agents and airlines may hope for business as usual; but we the people are forming a critical mass.
The Oduber government, judging from some of its recent actions, is on its last legs. So few people on that island, and yet how many will fight for justice?
We are determined to get it. Meanwhile, if we say nasty things about Aruba … thank your own government, Arubans.
Hey, Arubans, want some respect? Let’s hear some vocal protests about your own government’s assault on Diario, one of your own newspapers.
That’s right. Let’s hear Arubans stand up to their government. Let’s hear a demand that Oduber step down for his outrageous comments that his party members stop buying and stop reading Diario. It’s freedom of your own press that’s at issue here.
What? Nobody standing up? Just like nobody stood up when your government maligned the Holloway Twittys?
And then you whine when the U.S. tourist market turns sour?
Grow up.
Dude, is Ed Briesen / Aruban Tourism starting to look like
a Dance Choreographer from the late 1940′s… or whatttt?
What the dealie-O with the razor thin
paste on mickey-moose-stash, Edwardio? >#43
BOYCOTT ARUBA! -j4n
swing it like
ya know it
people
Boycott in full effect, wahoo SCREWRUBA MUST PAY DEARLY!!
#53: “Perhaps some comments here about Aruba are on the strong side”
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Perhaps? PERHAPS?!!!? Okay, that was funny.
“There Were Mistakes Made”
No, cover does not follow the same criteria as mistake. Sorry, you can’t be that stupid unintentionally.
Aruba not only denied the family of Natalee Holloway justice, they refused to let them bring her home. In the process, they showed us what they thought of Americans. Drugging, raping and murdering an American is less important than protecting their criminal citizens and the tourism that brings in all those US$$. Their response to criticism was often an attack on the US. Aruban officials lied to the family, the media and its own citizens. They know that drugging tourists is commonplace (Dennis Jacobs told Dave Holloway to watch his drink at Carlos & Charlies), but they do nothing. They let high school kids drink and gamble with tourists but don’t hold them or their parents responsible for their actions. An Aruban reporter posts that American girls getting off a plane in Aruba have to “prove” they’re not “easy”. Aruba showed us they do not think much of Americans, but will go to great lengths to get American money. Please, America, spend you US$$ in the US, Canada, Great Britain or Australia. Don’t give your coveted US dollars to countries that hate us.
Richard, thanks for writing NY Metro. If the rest of you go to the article (link provided in story above), notice that you, too, can respond to this bit of Travel Fluff.
Also reminding all that the “democracy-loving” island’s government called for a boycott of Jossy Mansur’s Diario, effective last Monday 04/02/2007. I have posted information about that, and what led to it, in the Murder & Crime thread; it is currently on the last page of that thread.
Please write to anyone you can think of about this; government suppression of the press is about the LAST thing that happens in a democracy.
Richard – Maybe Boston Globe would be interested?
pro-American democracy
???
How come the did not let the FBI search the waters?
Carpe Noctem, your comments are being read by the FBI in Barbados, Kevin Kilm, one of the FBI agents for the Caribbean is aware of your threats and e-mails to the family in Aruba.You are under surveillance. Don’t think some of you can hide because of going through an anonimizer. The State Dep. asked for FBI assistence. You CANNOT just act like some of you bloggers act.
33 comment has been observed and copied to confront you with like many others.
Yes thank you Richard.. I have sent my message to them stating how wrong they are about SATANS ISLAND being safe. Its full of murderers, rapists and drug dealers….and MSmarple # 60 Kudos to you for all of your hard work….the STATE DEPT is still out to lunch on changing their statement…they have till the 11th of April….
62 – You are barking up the wrong tree,
no threats here. Only satire, and
observations. (period)
Some of you Dutch/Aruban walloping F-TARDS
appear to have your sense of humors amputated
at birth! That is part of your problem in life,
as well as with solving the Natalee Holloway Case.
My best to Kevin in Barbados! Why don’t you allow
him to come to your stinking piece of shit of an island,
and let him help you solve the Holloway Case!!!!
If you guys LET HIM, I bet he could rock circles
around your excuse for LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.
—
“Eat My Shorts” – Rick Dees / The Weekly Top 40
>Justice 4 Natalee Ann Holloway
BOYCOTT ARUBA! -j4n
The State Dep. asked for FBI assistence.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159601,00.html
Please show me your source that proves the FBI was ALLOWED to search waters.
The FBI was ALLOWED to sit in on police briefings, not the same as you state.
33 comment has been observed and copied to confront you with like many others.
Comment by Sebas | April 9, 2007, 11:00 am
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Bring it on YOU 4 wheelin’ ‘DISCO SKANK’ butt tank.
You got NUFFIN.
…’cept a murdering rapist named Joran
Van der sloot on your hands. Now, that is
something really impressive to be writing
home to your dear mama about.
JUSTICE 4 > OUR GIRL ‘Natalee’
Carpe….omg I know you are scared now…hahahahahahahaha what a loser to come here and make threats to us…you tell ‘em carpe. Some guy in barbados is spying on carpe??? get real. oh man you just made my day. GET KEVIN WHATS HIS FACE TO FIND NATALEE..RETARD.
According to Richard and the FBI on BARBADOS, Amy Bradley may have been spotted there in 05. Maybe Kevin what’s his name could make better use of his time looking for AMY and leave Carpe alone…LOL
Why would the FBI be involved in threats against citizens of Aruba and not in the missing of American, makes no sense?
Previous post by Sharise:
“The FBI became frustrated because the interrogation of the suspects was conducted in Dutch; so they went home.”
That is when the US State Department should have come up to the plate…but it did nothing….
The suspicion here then is that the Dutch knew what happened, they knew who was involved, they knew how the house of cards would fall if it were known what happened to Natalee; so they the Dutch contacted our State Department and asked it not to pursue a conviction and closure to this case.
That is the only conclusion I can draw from the silence of our Government.
wasn’t seabass on dumb & dumber? could this be the sebas posting here ? the dumb & dumber part fits anyway !
I would like to get a close up of the cross and rosary that Dave found on the beach near the fisherman’s huts. The reason is and I know I’m stretching it; but if you enlarge this photo:
http://www.tinyurl.com/2k8p3q
look at what Andreas has around his neck and look at the fisherman’s huts in the background.
I know there are hundreds upon hundreds of rosaries; but the similarity and the location I feel is a little more than just a coincidence.
As an aside this photo is two years old which would have made Michael underage for drinking. And he is the police commissioner’s son; huh!!!
73-1906… maybe you can send the picture to a family member who can pass it on to Dave…very good point.
MONKEYS- HOW MANY ARE CLOSE TO MIAMI??? LIERUBA is exhibiting there at the end of APRIL[the 28 & 29th]. It will be at the Sheraton Miami Mart. They are in Booth 505.Contact me if you need more info or want to go. Thanks
http://tinyurl.com/vtn5g
http://tinyurl.com/2jtzam
-j4n
#8
Are you the so-called Gabe Leo who couldn’t wait to meet Richard yet either didn’t show up at the Boston Travel Show or pretended not to be there?
Hiding behind the drums, perhaps?
Once the American public learns about the coverup in Aruba and how Natalee Holloway has purposefully been denied justice, the boycott will intensify.
And it will be a voluntary boycott that works because American tourists will be disgusted. The boycott is just beginning.
Put the blame on Joran and those who assisted and covered up. Don’t blame us; we are just standing up for Natalee.
I went to Boston out of compassion for Natalee and her family.
Hey, Gabe, do you have a sister? Can’t you relate to the Holloway’s pain?
P.S. Have you told authorities all that you know?
hahahaha What a joke you are Seba!
If you are/were stupid enough to contact the FBI i’m POSITIVE THEY EITHER LAUGHED IN YOUR STUPID FACE OR GOT ANNOYED AND TOLD YOU TO NOT WASTE THEIR PRECIOUS TIME.
lol vicki….i can’t stop laughing~
When you’ve made as many enemies as the family have it best you always look over your shoulder boo!
Even …spring break….Aruba your beaches are empty.
Hey, Gabe,
It went beyond a “mistake” when ALE arrested two security guards knowing full well that J2K (the last people seen with Natalee) LIED about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.
No police force is that stupid. COVERUP COVERUP
What Vicki says up above is confirmed … Aruba has a booth at the Miami Herald travel show, to be held on April 28-29.
(The show is actually owned by and managed by a Connecticut company … that’s their words … how you “own” a travel show is beyond me. But anyway, Aruba will be there.)
Please spread the word to anyone in the Miami area. We did it for Natalee in Boston; let’s do it again in Miami. We want to challenge the ATA EVERYWHERE it shows its ugly face in the U.S.
Just think JusticeforNatalee if ALE had gotten to the Holiday Inn security tapes fast enough they would never had to arrest the 3 perps. The only reason the named the suspects is because Beth got to the tapes quicker IMO.
Another blogger today got a whining letter from an Aruban asking why the boycott. For a place that allegedly isn’t suffering, they sure are turning on their PR. And it seems to be directed at the Internet blogs …. Hey, I guess ATA is tired of seeing all the idiots hanging around the office with nothing to do now that Aruba’s tourist spots are empty.
Hint to Aruba: solve the Natalee Holloway case if you want to convince us that you are sincere in wanting anything but our money.
Any updates on the case. Getting close to Aruba slamming the door on Natalee’s death. God is bigger than that
corrupt island…justice will eventually come for Natalee and all those who par–took in her murder and coverup will pay for their crimes. I hope they all don’t sleep well at night. I hope they are haunted by spirits that keep them awake in the mid night hours.
Again:
“They hurt Natalee and…”
http://tinyurl.com/36vm4e
Justice for Her. Whomever hurt
her is a REAL sick pup. -j4n
For those who may never have seen this post.. Interesting reading.. Wonder if 1906 got his theory here or vice versa
http://tinyurl.com/onvjt
#62 Sebas: ROFLMAO So does the State Dept. and the FBI check in with you daily?
To Sebas
Tell the FBI to get off this board and help solve this case. Aruba is going downhill. PS you can leave too!
If you want to hear threats go to FOB or Refugees. Please tell the FBI to look there too!. Ok! Sebas go to bed so you won’t be late for 4th grade.
Sebas
Where is Mr. Pink? Is he there with you?
#44. Comments from Aruba board (thanks for copying them here Allan K):
…as an Aruban, I can’t talk or think about … anti Aruba.
WHAT? You can’t criticize your country or your government? Well maybe that’s the problem. That’s a completely foreign way of thinking to Americans. I have to wonder if that’s your choice or you were told not to talk or think about this case as that would be anti-Aruban. Our “system” allows for criticism of corruption, incompetence and crime in our country, even among our police, in our government. Our Constitution guarantees it. How many Arubans are either turning a blind eye to what’s happening or being intimidated into not saying anything about what they KNOW. The disappearance of Natalee Holloway was covered up by Aruban officials.
*******
Mike and Richard, some great posts!
Aruba’s a pro-American democracy? LOLOLOL
Not even close to a democracy and really just pro-American- DOLLAR$
FBI watching Carpe? Hilarious! For what? Calling JR an “old crabtrap”?
Come on! Even the FBI would howl over that one
NO AMOUNT OF WHINING WILL STOP THE BOYCOTT
ONLY JUSTICE FOR NATALEE WILL DO
So true LilPuma….just last week a Georgia policeman was arrested for giving a false statement in the disappearence of 911 dispatcher Theresa Parker. Plus obstruction of justice in connection with his fellow policeman who is the *person of interest* at this time in his wife’s disappearence.
If the FBI were watching Carpe it would be to see the next hilarious pics he comes up with!
Boyz nite out….Aruban style lol
Gabriel said:I do believe Aruba has been slaughtered enough times on the news, enough for people to have made their decisions whether or not to come to Aruba. For some strange reasons they still come. You may say in less numbers but I beg to differ. Now before any of the so called “magnificent Boston five” come and reply out of pure anger, your beef is with Liar Joran who lives in Arnhem, Holland and I really don’t care for him for what he has done, to me he is a Dutch Guy, not an Aruban who has fooled us all and has ran to Holland to be safe>>>>>>>
I don’t think Dompig is Dutch nor is your PM. The “investigators” in the Natalee Holloway case were Aruban. Those that tried to blame Natalee for her own death and tried to defame Natalee and Beth were Aruban.
You can tell us about all the planes coming to Aruba, but sorry, they must be empty because your hotels sure are.
Please bloggers, stop the hate speech, stop the name calling. It does no good. Yes, we are angry, but we can express ourselves with a bit of decorum and civility.
Yes, Aruba is sinking into the great abyss. That’s quite clear. Jossy’s response to attempts to censor him is full proof of the rampant corruption in Aruba and not just by the van der sloot and kalpoe families. In fact, is sounds like it would be hard to find anyone in a government office that isn’t corrupt.
I think everyone here has been civil and shown more deference than the trolls deserve.
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Ohhh Jossy’s talking with Dana tonight!
Sure wish i could hear them…..
95. Katablog.
Is corruption illegal in Aruba yet? Just a reminder that it wasn’t long ago that The Netherlands found out that Aruba didn’t have a law against corruption.
I must compliment Jossy. One of the few in Aruba who cares enough about the Island to want to do something about the problems that exist. Americans don’t all agree with Bill O’Reilly, but I thank God every day that I live in a country where I can hear his opinion and openly express mine. Unlike Aruba, I can criticize my country, my President, and that same President has sworn to uphold my right to do so. I can’t imagine living anywhere where the nation’s leader would call for a boycott because of criticism.
There are soldiers of many nations, including the US, Britain, Australia, Iraq and Afghanistan who are fighting and dying so people have the freedom to speak their mind, vote for their leaders. DON’T GIVE UP THIS RIGHT, ARUBA! DON’T LET YOUR LEADERS TAKE IT FROM YOU! Perhaps they already have?
Where are these threats that are being discussed? I haven’t pulled up all the links, but I don’t see any here. Oh, I did see post #33 with the Sopranos imitation, but then there are guys in Brooklyn who say that if you need a plumber or a new set of tires. Now Harold Copus (former FBI) said that he was threatened while in Aruba. He was told to stop investigating the Holloway case. Beth was asked when she was leaving for good. Beth and Jug were told that the Prosecutor would stop investigating their daughter’s disappearance if they criticized the investigation. Then there’s the van der Sloot family attorney, Mr. Tacopina, who has threatened just about anyone who utters the name Joran with a lawsuit. Speaking of surveillance, who was watching Paulus when Paulus didn’t know they were watching? Or was it staged by Paulus and friends to muddy the investigative waters?
reading #8 from Gabriel Leo…I can appreciate what he says. In a way he’s right, there are americans that will still go to Aruba. I can understand that. I can also appreciate that he is angered as to the island being painted with a broad brush that it has never seen before. I can understand his anger as to the hostilities towards everybody in Aruba that he thinks is unfair. I can see that. He also says that Joran is a wimp and hiding from folks like him that have confronted him about his lying ways and therefore he feels like Joran is hiding in Holland (we have seen you dad run, Joran, so we know where you get your cojones from) Bottom line is Gabriel Leo ..TO ME…sounds like he knows that something stinks at the Sloots but is angered that he has to pay for these morons. I know that Gabriel Leo is just trying to say that not all are guilty…and why should he pay for the Sloots shenannigans. Gabriel Leo…next time you see Urine at the bowling alley and you feel that way…maybe you should throw that bowling ball at the thick head of that bastard instead of the pins. We are not causing the bad publicity for Aruba….the Sloots are. We want justice for our girl Natalee…perhaps you should seek justice for your island of Aruba. Maybe we can kill two birds with one stone.
We’ve said many a time, and it should be familiar by now … our quarrel is not with the Aruban people, but with the corrupt government and law enforcement officials.
We’ll do what we have to do to pursue justice. If Arubans want to speak out on behalf of the Holloway Twittys, that will provide a sign that they, too, are concerned about justice.
So far, nothing but silence and whining about their poor little tourist revenues.
So remember, folks … we owe Aruba NOTHING. We have NO obligation to Aruba, whether to go there, to see that the people are fed, or to extend them assistance.
Aruba is condemned by its own acts. Let its people clean up the mess. If they won’t … there are lots better beaches. Cheaper, too. And undoubtedly safer.
From what Jossy seemed to be saying on Dana’s program Monday night (04/09/2007), a way to help Jossy with the MEP government-imposed boycott against Diario, is to contact:
Inter American Press Association:
Jules Dubois Building
1801 S.W. 3rd Avenue
Miami, Florida 33129
Tel: (305) 634-2465
Fax: (305) 635-2272
http://www.sipiapa.org/default.cfm
(Contact Us gives you an email form.)
Here is my email to them:
Jossy Mansur’s Aruba newspaper, Diario, is subject of a boycott imposed by the Prime Minister of Aruba and the MEP party.
Diario has been reporting numerous scandals involving various government ministers. Also, he is the only person of imporance on Aruba who has called for a proper investigation of the Natalee Holloway case.
For more information, go here:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=188&start=400
(Scroll down to the 3rd and 4th post.)
Since when does a so-called democratically-elected government supress the press? PLEASE PUBLICIZE this – or whatever your association can do.
Thank you.
The SM link is to page 21 of the M&C thread; the two posts are Amigoe’s article about the boycott, and Jossy’s response from another web site.
Richard – we are americans, of course we owe aruba nothing. These countries feed off our dollars – I think most know that. And there are better/cheaper/safer beaches – but only in the US. If you go to Jamaica/Dominica/Cabo, much more dangerous than Aruba.
And if you want action, better to at this point write your congressman (Bachus ran unopposed), senator, governor, no?
After all, the man who has a VERY good chance of being tapped for a VP running mate in ’08 is none other than Haley Barbour, who had this to say about Aruba:
1/12/06 MERIDIAN, Miss. — Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour says he will not encourage Mississippians to boycott travel to Aruba to protest the way officials there have handled the disappearance of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.
Holloway had attended junior high school in Clinton, Mississippi and her father lives in Meridian. She disappeared while on a senior trip to the Dutch Caribbean island with her classmates.
A boycott has been urged by Alabama Governor Bob Riley.
Barbour, speaking to the editorial board of The Meridian Star yesterday, said he does not believe a tourist boycott of the island is the right means to an end.
“He was the hidden card that was played”
Jerry (32) … If number 6 of your choices is the truth, I think it’s too much to hope for to look for “unhurt and untouched.” But still alive (in a way) … perhaps.
Comment by Richard | April 8, 2007, 3:45 pm
Richard,
True, but my mind and soul won’t let go of that one. I know it’s improbable and farfetched, and as said there is one 6′ 5″ goon who knows the truth in no uncertainties. I’m sure he contents himself with rehashing it each night in his sleep. However, he may have convinced himself of an alternative to the real truth (sick, diseased minds do that). From what I remember and from what Beth said he told the group that first night, his mind fires on a whole different set of neurons, which are far removed from normal.
Thanks for you protest. That took guts. That was such a deceit thing to do. Real gusto.
Jerry
He’s entitled to his opinion but he won’t be changing ours.
To Roy,
Who is he?
Jerry
msmarple – you didn’t press the send button I hope. Aruba does not have a “democratically-elected government”. They have a parliamentary democracy, much different.
Queen (hereditary)/governor(appointed by the monarch)/PM & DPM(elected by the staten)/staten(21 people elected by the people).
Strange though how some can be for the boycott and implosion of Aruba, but then when it happens before there eyes it “must be stopped” because it’s Jossy? You can’t have it both ways. Too funny.
102. yoyo muffintop
“… Barbour, speaking to the editorial board of the Meridian Star yesterday, said he does not believe at tourist boycot of the Island is a right means to an end.”
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If Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour has taken the position that he cannot support a boycott of Aruba as a means to put pressure on the “powers that be” to conduct an investigation that assures that justice prevails for Natalee Holloway … then I would ask … what does he propose as an alternative? Without an alternative plan … I can assume that he believes that the Holloway and Twitty families should just accept the status quo … accept the fact that justice for their beloved Natalee will be forever elusive.
Beth Twitty
CBS NEW – March 25, 2005
Last fall, Twitty called for a boycott of Aruba. The island’s tourism industry has suffered: Travel bookings are off more than 4 percent from a year ago. Does she still support a boycott of Aruba? “The only leverage that we have in getting any traction in the investigation is when they feel the effects of a boycott,” says Twitty.
As always reading about that Islans makes me want to go to the bathroom and take a big ARUBA
#103. Sounds like a Shango kind of statement and you put it in quotes. Can you elaborate?
Yes, and furthermore…
What flaming bilbo-weed would end a threat with:
“Happy Eggies, everybody!”
???
lolol
—
ROFL Diverboy!!!! If Joran got hit in the head
with a bowling ball, it would only give him a rapid IQ
burst of at least 50-75 points, that friggin’
MISSING LINK.
Paulus Van der sloot, you resemble a goat, you swine…
Additionally, I also think that of your concubine!
Go sit on a sprinkler head, ya big freak. -j4n
Boycott!
All they wanted was their
daughter back Aruba.
>Insert thought of your own loved one here.
…..
They begged & begged just to get her
back, no matter which form
her body was in!
…..
YOU WILL NEVER LIVE THAT DOWN.
There is a very simple reason as to why that is…
…because what Aruba let the murdering-raping
Van der sloot and Kalpoes do to Natalee Ann
Holloway -WAS DEAD IN THE WRONG- There can be
no excuses, because what they did defies logic,
and basic human decency.
***JUSTICE 4 NATALEE
She is loved
& will never
be forgotten.
Jerry (#104) … I do think it’s possible that Natalee was taken off the island, but if so, her being “unhurt and untouched” is not the situation, I greatly fear. I know that most people think there is no chance she is still alive … but I’m not writing it off until we know.
By the way, the most recently reported sighting of Amy Bradley (the latest I know of, anyway) in Barbados was not in 2005, as stated above in one post, but in 2006.
Richard, Are you sure???
“The first sketch is that of an individual who was seen in Barbados in March of 2005 and believed to have resembled Amy Bradley. The second sketch is that of man who was thought to have been with the woman who resembled Bradley”.
FBI Site info above.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/bradley_a.htm
maybe they have the info incorrect?
Hey carpe ,HOWAREYOUR PICTURESCOMING????? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was going through Dave’s book, especially the part about Michael Dompig and the cross and the rosary. Dave says that the cross and rosary were left by a tourist. He also states that Michael Dompig was hanging around the Holiday Inn trying to pick up girls. He and another male left as soon as they saw him.
I have said before that Michael has been flying under the radar. I felt he was involved with Natalee’s disappearance along with the rest of the pimps. His father was so sure the JK2′S were guilty of kidnapping, rape and murder. Then he, Gerald changes the scenario, when he finds out his son is also involved; to “I believe Natalee died of an overdose and drowned when she fell in the ocean”.
Michael was also the one responsible for having Geoffrey von Cromvoirt arrested. Then Gerald said his son made a stupid teenager’s mistake and withdrew his information. Michael is also second or third cousin to the Kalpoe’s and Boitte the drug dealer is his uncle or cousin. (not sure of spelling) Then Quido was arrested for heavy battery.
Who fingered him? Who got him off the hook by saying he is gay?
IMO I have a feeling that the cross/rosary was left by a local with a conscious rather then a memorial by a tourist. The rosary in Dave’s book bares a very strong resemblance to the one that Andreas is wearing. Andreas apparently hangs around or did hang around the Fisherman’s Huts and the Holiday Inn with Michael Dompig.
http://www.tinyurl.com/2k8p3q
Remember Michael and Geoffery’s comment: “You’d be surprised what we can get the girls to do when we tell them we are police officer’s.” Natalee was hit upon as soon as she arrived on Aruba. Cameras in the hotel rooms? Geoffrey and Joran both made many advances and were spurned by Natalee. I don’t know who planned to kidnap Natalee but she was selected out of revenge. The revenge scenario may have gotten out of hand and Natalee was killed. There were some injuries inflicted on Natalee by the group that if her body was discovered they could not say it was an accident. In steps PAPA SLOOT with “when there is no body you have no case”.
Andreas: you are the one with the conscious; why not come forward and collect the reward?
So we can connect Andreas to Michael to Deepak and Satish to Geoffrey to Joran to Freddie and Koen to Quido to Paulus to Karle to Yolanda to crematorium to Jan to Dennis Jacobs to Oduber to Steve Cohen to Steve Croes to Karen Jensen and the slime ball Tacopina. How does it feel Joe knowing what happened and that some day you may end up on a cross in a cave?
IMO they all know what happened. One day someone will have a slip of the tongue and the house will come down.
Richard, I greatly fear that Natalee could be held somewhere as a “slave”. I guess I just dont want to think that she is gone. I just dont know what would be worse for such a beautiful person.I have begged God to give us all answers. Maybe he has…I still wear my braclet for HOPE, because thats all we have. I pray that Amy will be found and brought home the same as I do for Natalee.
and thanks MAYAN…I dont mean to say mean things I just get so frustrated by the TROLLS.
Monkey Satellite Cameras picked up images
of Aruban’s making idle threats yesterday!
When we zoomed in with our narrow angle
zoom lens, we found saw this frightening
image.
http://tinyurl.com/2ucg5j
-j4n
Justice for Nat!
BOYCOTT
NO MORE STALLING
NO MORE DOG AND PONY SHOWS
NO MORE PASSING THE BUCK
JUST JUSTICE
Klaas, I didnt post #115… the troll is back…we must be hitting a nerve..
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SM: I’ve changed the name to NOT Vicki, lol. Sorry about that – I didn’t process that one
(klaasend)
#115 – NOT Vicky
Very well, and I thank you for asking.
Here are some of the latest of what
I believe to be the hand of Natalee
in the Marriott Basin on or about
JUNE 10th, 2005.
This is the period when I think
the ALE combined with the vile,
gangraping, murdering Van der sloot
and Kalpoes… were playing a dreadful
game of keep away with Nat’s body.
WHAT AWFUL, AWFUL PEOPLE THEY ARE.
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http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/ertetertyryrtyr-1.png
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/ertetertyryrtyr.png
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/dffddfddfd.png
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/GFHFHF.png
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g130/arubapictures1/fdddddddd-1.png
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mannn… I don’t know how Natalee’s parents
keep there cool through all of this madness.
‘cuz ya see,
I’d hunt down & clothesline all three of
those criminal cork soakers.
“and that is the truth.”
Beth & Dave must have the patience of Saints! -j4n
Thanks Klaas..why do they pick on me?
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SM: You aren’t the only one they pick on, believe me..lol. When I moderate the front page comments I normally catch those
(klaasend)
post #118
LOL CARPE!
Better put a warning label on that zoom shot as i think i’ll be traumatized for life now!
Hey Vicki!
You are one of a kind and we can smell these imposter trolls a mile away and klass at 2 miles away!
It was just tooo funny that loser saying they were gonna sic the FBI on our Carpe!~
Hey that didn’t read right……our klass can smell those trolls at 2 miles away!
your the best klass!~
Rob, thanks for pointing that out. I want to check that with the family … unless time has gone by even more quickly than we realize! They’ve been saying “a year ago or so.”
Anyone with half a brain should stay the hell away from Aruba….the most vilest of isle’s. The DO eat their own!
Carpe!
you’ve got mail!
Richard……that sketch of Amy is chilling. I think of her alot and although i know this trafficing does happen i’m always thinking……what kind of people could do this to another human being? After all these months watching Aruban’s slither about i now understand what kind of person could do that.
You guys are better than i for more everyday i do wish bad things to happen to that vile isle. That it sinks and alot of other ways it can meet its demise.
Jossy is the only one i don’t feel that way about. He did/does care about what happened to Natalee and cares what has happened to the island he was born & grew up on.
Oh yeah i do think Micheal Dompig was a part of what happened to Natalee. Innocent people don’t inject themselves into a case for no reason, same as Steve Croe’s.
MM (129) … I can’t understand who would abuse a child sexually, either, but it happens. Some will do anything for money. Throw in sadism, to boot (no pun intended), and the predatorial types will always be on the lookout.
And the criminal types care about the money, not the morals. As one expert in the trafficking field said: “If you sell drugs, it’s a one-time sale. If you sell weapons, it’s a one-time sale. If you sell a woman, you sell her over and over and over again ….”
Until you dump her.
Rob, not surprisingly the FBI is right and I am wrong. The family confirmed that the sighting was on March 1, 2005. I must have mixed in my mind the difference between the date of the sighting and the date at which the person involved contacted them (somewhat later, unfortunately).
I just contacted Oprah and requested Beth as a speaker.
I stated that Beth is an excellent speaker with an important message about traveling for our young women.
Here’s a direct link:
http://www2.oprah.com/email/reach/email_showideas.jhtml
COME DANCE IN ARUBA!
510-38 ROCKS
http://tinyurl.com/3c7erl
A visible handle with a hole in it.
MARRIOTT BASIN #24 VIDEO
http://tinyurl.com/2rhe6z
-j4n
Money Money Money…..yeah thats what its all about and what you said “a woman can be sold again and again” breaks my heart. Here’s what i wonder……these trafficker’s. there must be women in their lives like a mother, a sister, an aunt, a grandmother, a g/f or wife. How can one love their mother/grandmother and still treat these youngwomen & children the way they do?
How do they do that? Paules…are you a part of a ring and does Anita know about it?
92 Justice for Natalee — She is a crab trap! rofl
Hey, Aruban authorities:
Here is free advice to protect tourism:
You have to actually protect the TOURISTS
and when that goes wrong you have to deliver
JUSTICE
Richard, thank you for verifying that info.
If that is Amy, and I believe there is a very high probability that the mystery woman could be, I find it amazing that someone would be brazen enough to travel with her to Barbados where the FBI Caribbean headquarters is located. I realize that missing person are not the top priority, and drugs are the main focus point, but it is apparent that few of the traffickers fear the authorities. I hate to say this, but it seems that the trafficking of people and white slavery is less likely to get someone in trouble comparative to drug smuggling.
Heyyy,
Did someone put in the call
to Marcus Welby today, to schedule
an appointment for that dag gum
Anita Van der sloot to get her
wicked cooter sewn over?!?!?!
LOL. No? Well, will someone make the call?
Every little bit helps, ya know. That stuff
is like Global Warming. A little, does a lot!
Last thing the world needs
is one more vicious murdering/rapist
like her dear widdle baby J-BO Killa.
-j4n
HOLY GEEEEEEEZ! =)
# 130
Jossy was not born here, and did not grow up all of his life here. He came from Venezuela with his family and is a Lebanese descendent.
Ask your state-department who Jossy Mansur really is.
Hey I just wanted to say I read here all the time but don’t post. J2K and Joran are guilty as SH*t. Waterboy has all his senerios correct. Hands up to Richard and all of the other bloggers that I don’t know by name – I apologize – excellent job. Keep it up. And also to Jossy.
Let’s get some justice 4 Natalee in this year.
#131 – Mayan,
I’m not really so sure Michael DomPIG was directly involved in the VanDerSloot kidnapping-rape-murder of Natalee, more likely he was a ready accomplice that participated in some of the “20 times before” date rape game these PIMPs played out on young tourist girls. He just didn’t get the call this time, it was the Kalpoe’s turn.
BOYCOTT ARUBA,
IT’S A SEWAGE DUMP.
That DOES NOT care about tourists
lives. Just ask Max Devries &
Natalee Holloway. That is all you
have to do, & you will know.
Just curious,
What is the private aircraft collection like in Aruba? Anyone we know own a private plane? Has anyone seen any private airstrips from satellite pictures?
Jerry
Hold the sadistic murdering-raping
Van der sloots and Kalpoes
responsible for their crimes
on Natalee! ARUBA – Do It Today.
http://tinyurl.com/3x9pvg
http://tinyurl.com/3X9pvg
to maria,
Thanks for you comments.
I’m afraid I’m only the visionary. The brains, heart, and soul belong to others.
Jerry
He seemed so nice. I only knew him for a few days. He said all the right things. I felt safe when I was with him.
I can’t believe the words coming out of his mouth, “Shut up B—-!
I asked for understanding. “What’s wrong?” “You,” he said.
He struck me. He hurt me. He raped me. He humiliated me. He killed me, and then he hid my body from my family and friends. First he buried me. Then he hid me in another’s grave. Then he mutilated my body. Now I am hidden from site, where my family may never find me. He said he was my friend. I thought I was safe with him. How many others will he destroy? How long will the truth remain hidden? Others know, many know. Some have talked, some have died, and many have run away.
Jerry
What stands out the most to me regarding M Dompig is that even as a young tourist girl is missing with her parents going out of their minds and media swarming, he’s not letting that interfere one bit with his hitting on other tourists, trying to get them to go to C&C’s.
Pictured here:
That coward, sweaty, “has been”
Paulus Van der sloot and Natalee
in the casino.
http://tinyurl.com/yrpt4u
Yeah come dance in Aruba but be sure to wear your hip wader’s coz the bodies and the $hits getting deep!
Hey Carpe!
That NEW still you sent over with guidelines…..i did a doubletake & pointed out the same features you did last night!
In that last still i outlined & sent over to ya in much the same way & area the male is in…is a female sprawled in a heap looks to be female.
i also see the wrist band on Natalee’s arm…
What do ya think that handle was attached to?
There often is a very close link between narcotics traders and human trafficking. It’s known that in the Caribbean, governments are under assault. We can only wonder how many people in the Aruban government are on the take from traffickers. After all, in that excellent article about “the Rothschilds on Aruba,” some 67 pages of well-documented details, the Dutch in the 1980s said they feared that Aruba would be lost to the Mafia.
156 – Maybe a knife stolen from the fisherman huts.
Aruba!
A great place where innocent people
are allowed to be targeted, raped, and murdered
and nothing done about it.
In fact, it appears to be government sactioned.
MURDERERS AND RAPISTS ARE NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE
FOR THEIR ACTIONS HERE. Book today?
For proof, we look no further than the sadistic
murdering and raping Van der sloot and Kalpoe
families. They murdered Natalee Holloway in cold blood,
yet walk the streets hunting for their next kill,
right this very minute.
IN ARUBA, another word for a tourist
also starts with a T.
> TARGET
-Justice 4 Natalee
Boycott Pig Island
I happened to find the following articles today; I’m giving the links here, and those parts of the text that I find especially potentially significant. Too bad we can’t put things in bold here.
We have a Caribbean government admitting that trafficking happens on its territory, and involves people from Europe and “elsewhere” who are forced into prostitution. We have a Caribbean official saying what some of us already know: that the region is well adapted, by virtue of its geography, to human trafficking. We know that drug kingpins are strong in the area.
These articles are from Barbados. Two years ago, that’s where the latest sighting of Amy Bradley was reported.
I don’t think we can dismiss the possibility that Natalee Holloway is another victim. And perhaps more.
http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Record=30579
UN reviews Barbados’ Human Rights report
Web Posted – Tue Apr 03 2007
By Nicholas Cox
BARBADOS is being encouraged to decriminalise sexual acts between adults of the same sex, consider the abolition of the death penalty, as well as reduce the trafficking of women and girls for prostitution.
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With respect to human trafficking, the UNHRC wanted to see more policy and legislative responses to the problem to ensure that victims have access to the provision of support and assistance. In addition, the State party should criminalise the trafficking of human beings in consultations with CARICOM, the organisation said.
(My question … does this mean that trafficking is not now criminal? Believe it or not, it is NOT CRIMINAL IN SOME U.S. STATES.)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Speaking to some of the issues raised, Tull said that the geographic location of the Caribbean made it vulnerable to the migratory movements of people and therefore very susceptible to the trafficking of persons, arms, and illegal drugs ….
(Well, don’t worry … we KNOW it can’t happen to an AMERICAN citizen, right?)
http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Record=30593
Minister of State in the Prime Minister’s Office and Member of Parliament for St. Michael West, Reverend Joseph Atherley, stated that Government had the duty to crack down on the practice of human trafficking in Barbados. He noted that there are instances in which people from Europe and elsewhere in the Caribbean are being manipulated and tricked into coming to Barbados, where they are often forced to engage in prostitution.
Unbridled Murders and Rapes…
with absolutely No Justice or Protection, whatsoever!
>Come Dance, In Lie-Ruba!
Home of the Van der sloot & Kalpoe
Blood Thirsty Sadists…
They’ll be lurking for you! They are out of
jail now. You looking for fun?
http://tinyurl.com/29y9vX
http://tinyurl.com/wkwco
http://tinyurl.com/ygpury
-j4n
FROM
ARUBA
PICTURES
DVD 1
“Joran Van der sloot kills, and that is the truth.”
http://tinyurl.com/2jtwjf
http://tinyurl.com/yrpt4u
http://tinyurl.com/3c3zlr
***
the rest
http://tinyurl.com/nbjee
Justice
for
Nat
Somebody needs to do something.
#141- Where do you get your information? Do you ever check things out before you post them on blogs as fact?
Jossy Mansur was born in Aruba in 1934. His father and grandfather immigrated to Venezuela from Lebanon around 1894. In 1901 they escaped from the political persecutions taking place in Venezuela by hiding in a fruit boat and crossing the ocean to Aruba.
That’s from the horse’s mouth, so-to-speak!
Man, first it was Aruba tanked their tourism by being stupid. Then nature went after JetBlue and their mistake of flying to Aruba. Then Aruba’s actions caused Cruise Ships to stop stopping there.
BUT NOW ARUBA, YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR! You have sent Sydney Ponson to pitch for the Minnesota Twins. Why must you destroy our baseball team too?
http://tinyurl.com/2qc7do
It’s time to make a deal. Minnesota will trade Sydney Ponson for Natalee Holloway’s remains. Please give her back to her family. We will even through in a couple of signed Minnesota Twins baseballs.
‘Nuff said. On a more important topic…ANY REASON WHY THE NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL IN ARUBA HAS NOT RETRACTED KARIN JANSSEN’S LETTER DECLARING PAULUS NO LONGER A SUSPECT? This letter is why this case is held up and will go ‘cold’ on May 31st. Why Aruba are you not fixing the cover-up and cronyism that took place and is blatently obvious for all to see?
Still waiting Aruba. In the meantime, board up your business…we ain’t coming! md
To Boycott Aruba or Not to Boycott Aruba is not the issue. An unsanctioned, unsupported boycott is totally ineffective and can cause a very defensive attitude and be totally counterproductive.
What is necessary is to educate the prospective tourist to Aruba concerning how unsafe the island is and that a trip to Aruba could be very detrimental to one’s health and well being. If the tourist still travels to Aruba and “something bad happens”; well they were warned!!!!!!
Do any graduating classes in Alabama have trips planned to Aruba? Do any students from any part of this country have plans to spend time on Aruba this season? I do not know for certain, but I seriously doubt that they do. That in itself is an accomplishment and I’m sure it greatly curtailed the activities of the young locals preying on tourist girls.
I never thought I would become an old fogy, but I guess I have. When I was in that age bracket, the alcohol laws in the U.S. were left up to each locality. A town could have one set of laws governing alcohol and the county another. It was a bad system and encouraged drinking and driving. The fed’s got involved and changed that problem. They did not take the right away from local governments. They just said make the minimum age 21, or we will not be sending federal highway dollars your way.
My point is that the U.S. has come a long way in recognizing the inherent dangers of alcohol and teenagers. To by-pass that hard-learned education by going to some island with no rules is not a smart move and should not be encouraged by any parent. Boycott, or not!
#165 One of the handouts included the dangers of traveling to Aruba.
Gabe,
Were you at the Travel Show in Boston?
Why were you hiding?
I did a little search on the tee shirt that Mr Andreas is wearing…PALM PLEASURE
Palm Pleasure
“Umnhhhh! Nice title – right? It’s not exactly what one would think. It’s a catamaran, super party boat, that takes the island visitor out to sea. Some drinks are provided, snorkeling, swimming, fun, and all in all a general good time is had by everyone…or so they say.”
I still cannot believe how over-simlified, unbalanced and prejudiced some (or most) of your reactions are. Why do you believe everything that is ever written or said about this case? Why do you show no respect at all for people with a different point of view? Your language is agressive, abusive and foul.
Boycotting Aruba to put pressure on the Aruban Government? Please do. Perhaps it works (but honestly I don’t think so).
But to declare Aruba unsafe and “that a trip to Aruba could be very detrimental to one’s health and well being” because of this case only, is totally ridiculous. Crime is everywhere. Also in the US. Should the Aruban government not be as corrupt as you all say it is, the crime would still have been committed. And I repeat: crime is everywhere. That does not make a country unsafe. No one needs education on travelling! You could be a victim of a crime at home too. I have been to Aruba many times and nothing once happened. I was robbed once in Miami though. That crime has never been solved. And I still really like going to Miami.
However, it is in general (and not only with respect to Aruba) useful to educate young women not to go with strangers while drunk. And no, before you are all screaming again: I’m not blaming Natalee/the Twitty’s/the school: her judgment at the time is of course no excuse at all to hurt/rape/murder someone.
To Amsterdam: You are not worthy of a response to your rediculous posting………And that’s the truth!!!!!
There is a litany of circumstances that all aligned in early 2005 that contributed to what tragically happened to Natalee Holloway. The problem is that nothing was done about it then and nothing has changed since.
As much as some of you like to point toward crimes in other locales it doesn’t change what we know about this very specific case.
Amsterdammed- it’s apparent you are not paying attention. Yes, we all realize that crime happens everywhere. That is not the issue. The issue is the disingenuous way the ALE investigates crimes against tourists. Maybe the reason your crime in Miami was not solved is because Miami is crawling with Arubans that want off Aruba and think Miami is the Daytona 500 Speedway.. huh Gabe?
If you would have taken the time to educate yourself about Aruba you would not have made the comments you have.
To Amsterdam: the reason being you used the word “DRUNK” instead of the real word “DRUGGED”…..
and that is an “i” instead of an “e”
#170
For the one thousandth time, it’s not just that the crimes happened to Natalee. That’s bad enough.
However, the problem is that there was a botched investigation, perhaps on purpose, and
failure to deliver JUSTICE.
Crime happens everywhere. But Coverups don’t.
P.S. That’s nice that you weren’t drugged and date-raped on Aruba.
And as for “education,” perhaps Anita VDS should have educated her son that when a young woman says she wants to go back to her hotel–that’s exactly where he should take her–SAFELY
In other words, Anita should have taught her son to be a real man.
Boycott is on despite what any of you whiners write.
And here’s another thought on education:
Why don’t the parents of the local boys/men on Aruba teach their sons that drugging and date-raping women is not a sport or game to be played but instead is a serious crime, in fact a FELONY.
Amsterdam,
Here is the scoop. In every major city in the US, there are places you ‘just don’t go’ due a incidence of violent crime, drugs, and many times law enforcement that looks the other way.
The boycott of Aruba is a statement that, in the Caribbean community, the island of Aruba is not a safe place to go due to violent crime, drugs, and law enforcement, judges, and goverment officials looking the other way.
Aruba is a ‘bad neighborhood’ and people should stay away until it cleans itself up.
Jamaica has also been a ‘bad neighborhood’ over the years due to violent crime, drugs, and corruption/graft of officials. As a result, most Americans avoid Jamaica, or travel to the gated resorts on the north side of the island (rather than Kingston, which is a pit) where they feel a sense of protection and security.
Aruba needs to clean itself up…..get to work. Oh, and by the way….has the new AG retracted Karin Janssen’s letter stating Paulus is no longer a suspect? We are patiently waiting but know that Paulus will be protected just like they protected him from a search of the crime scene (his home) and they disposed of the mattress (which was conveniently replaced by a furniture company weeks later). DO YOUR WORK DUTCH BEFORE COMING HERE AND COMPLAINING ABOUT POSTERS! md
Hang the awful murdering/raping Van der sloots and Kalpoes
that cause Aruba to stink. Hang them with the appropriate
charges.
http://tinyurl.com/2krpjn
http://tinyurl.com/2stt5n
>They are the murderers of Natalee Ann Holloway.
-j4n
This whole time line is out of sync::::::
Paulus first states that he picked up Joran at 4:00AM at McDonalds.
He then changes his statement to “he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00PM.” This Mcdonald’s is near the Allegro but they were at the Excelsior near the Holiday Inn.
Then it is stated that he picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonalds at 11:00PM or 23:00 hours. We know that all three of them were at the Excelsior sometime between 8:30 and 9:30PM.
“The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgment of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
How can Paulus make that statement when Joran says he was home, Natalee was already at C and C’s and he, Paulus was still at the casino at 11:00PM?
The questions are:
How did Joran get home from the casino and did he really go home?
What time did he leave the casino?
What time did he get home from the casino?
What time did Paulus leave the casino?
Where did he go and what time did he get there?
Which vehicle was he driving?
What time did Natalee leave the casino?
How did she get to C and C’s?
Who did she go with?
What time did she get there?
We have a signed statement that Natalee left the Holiday Inn around 10:00PM with four other MBHS students by taxi and went straight to C and C’s. They probably arrived around 10:20PM. It would definitely be hard for Paulus to pick her up and Joran at 11:00PM at Palm Beach which is 20 to 25 minutes north.
Paulus’ above statement would also blow up in his face when he states that neither Joran nor he knew who Beth was describing when Beth went to the VDS house the next day looking for Natalee.
Paulus the judge’s strategy: tell enough lies and no one will know if and when you do tell the truth. The perfect makings of a cover up!!!
Paulus; I do believe you put your proverbial tit in the wringer!!!!!
Quido gets off around 12:00PM and goes straight to Joran’s. He gets there around 12:30AM driving a white car, make unknown.
There he meets with Koen, Freddie, Geoffrey, Michael and others.
1:30AM Joran arrives home with an unconscious Natalee.
But Joran says he was picked up on the beach by Deepak at around 3:00AM
Joran the judge’s son’s strategy: tell enough lies and no one will know if and when you do tell the truth…
and that’s the truth.
In the begining stages of the investigation everyone was out searching. Except the 3 in question. Why? leads me to believe it was guilt. If it was me I would do everything to clear my name “if I was innocent”. Just my opinion. Which leads me to believe “guilty as supsected”
Evilive ~ EXACTLY!!!!! no way did Paulus pick up Joran or Natalee at 11 pm.. no way!!!
that alone should have him in jail and NOT released from suspect status.
To my mind, the comments of the three stooges in the police car that were taped should in themselves be evidence to re-arrest them and have new interrogations. Not in Aruba.
Oduber is the proverbial fart that just woudn’t
leave the room. Not even if you attacked
with a fan you made from a large folded
magazine. It’s hard to kill stink like Oduber
with a fan, open windows, and even
a Renuzit plug-in.
DUDE, some stink just becomes part of the furniture.
I present the case that this is extremely true,
with NELSON ODIRTBAG.
“Aruba’s EVIL Dictator.”
-j4n
I really don’t like to go back to when Natalee disappeared: I’m not trying to overturn anyone’s opinion of Natalee’s character; but some things just do not make any sense.
Ruth McVay was supposedly Natalee Holloway’s best friend. She was Natalee’s roommate at the Holiday Inn. Ruth does not appear to be at the Excelsior with Natalee but Natalee then goes with Ruth and three other MBHS students around 10:00PM to C and C’s May29th. The picture of Natalee’s arm on the stage also shows Ruth’s blouse.
C and C’s closed at 1:00 but Ruth had left C and C’s after the above incident and earlier than closing.
If they were such close friends then why did they not go back together to the HI or did Natalee tell Ruth she had other plans after C and C closed?
(They must have had some buddy system)
Who did Ruth go with back to the Holiday Inn?
What time was it? Was Joran there before Ruth left?
Did she ask Natalee to return to the HI?
If she talked to Natalee then what was said when Natalee stayed?
What reason did Natalee give Ruth for staying?
Who did Ruth last see with Natalee at C and C’s?
Her own statement; Ruth was not aware that Natalee did not get back to the HI until she looked for her at around 6:00am, was that because she was not in the room or did Ruth not expect Natalee to return until later? Was she covering for Natalee? Other MBHS students stayed around the HI pool until at least 3 or 4 AM yet no one looks for Natalee?
When Natalee got into the car with JK’2s did anyone report to the chaperones that Natalee left with locals?
There are five hours unaccounted for by the MBHS students who saw Natalee leave C and C’s but apparently did nothing. It would seem that Natalee told some MBHS that she was going somewhere other than going back to the HI. Therefore no one expected her back and did not report her missing until 6:00AM.
In order to investigate further: IMO these questions need answers.
The answers will have a definite impact on the series of events of when, how and who was responsible for Natalee’s disappearance. Granted the JK’2s were the last that we know of to be with Natalee, only they know if and who are the additional players involved. Sorry Beth but IMO I think it is important to know.
evilive, just because you do not know the answers to the questions you pose does not mean they are not known by Beth or those who need this info and not for public knowledge. You my like to know all this info but it’s not going to be made public if it my hurt the investigation.
Sorry Dave my Apologies but I got my answer thank you.
I won’t be following Natalee’s disappearance any further.
The investigation is apparently in good hands and
I apparently overstepped by boundries.
Good Luck
The MB students have been available for questions from any of the investigators on this case. unlike the suspects who have left behind a hundred statements, tv interviews, radio and paper interviews each time with a new set of lies and stories about May 30th and the days after which none of them match and their refusal to answer more questions last December when they were asked to come in. They want the truth to come out? Yeah, sure..Everyone of their actions have shown the opposite since day 1. They’ve done anything and everything to avoid the truth coming out.
They don’t have to answer anymore questions. Joran’s schooling was much more important then a girl losing her life.
Were Natalee truly left on a beach on May30th and she was missing, any innocent decent person would take the police and her family to the site to see if she was hurt, unconscious in hopes to try and save her, not wait 9 days.
Why was Deepak and Satish questioned about the fisherman’s huts on May 31st? Where is Joran’s May 31st statement? My guess is an insider already told Paulus, you know his good friend that he worked with for years Straten, already tippped him off that Natalee wasn’t on tape coming back to the Holiday Inn, so they had to make up a new location, one with no cameras. The only problem is the 3 fisherman on the beach that night by the huts said they saw nooone matching the Kalpoes or their car or Natalee and Joran that night on the beach.
The only thing that would surprise me in this case is if one of them truly stood up for Justice for Natalee. I remember the whining police saying Beth forced them to arrest the suspects early. What kind of spineless police force blames the mother of the victim for their shoddy work?
Richard I agree with you, that police car transcript alone, the 3 should’ve been brought back in and questioned over the comments in it. Why will they see that chit if they find Natalee? and why would Joran get 15 years? His violent nature comes out more than once in that transcript.
to evilive,
Don’t wear your feelings on your sleeve. That’s the way I use to be. Just stick with it. You’ve got a good, and curiously inquiring mind. Don’t get your feelings hurt so easily. I’ve been ragged on numerous times, left at least a dozen times, and then returned. Take my advice, and stick with your line of questions. 1906, Carp, Richard, Roy, and myself have received severe chastisement at times. Toughen up. You have got to be thicker-skinned.
Jerry
To evillive,
I’ve said this before, but I believe that Ruth McVey was Joran’s original target. I think he said somewhere that he liked her best. Maybe Ruth felt the heat and just left, while the leaving was good. I’m not real sure that she was at C and C’s. I do think she is in the casino video.
In one of Joran’s statement, he said he called D. and said that he meet some (some) girls. He, they, all of them may have intended to kidnap, drug, and rape more than one (one) girl.
It may also be possible that Ruth was drugged, but got back to the room before the full effects of the drug were in her system, crashed; and didn’t know anything until the next morning when she woke up and Natalee was not there.
Jerry
To Waterboy(Jerry); Perhaps you are right. However I was not trying to ruin someone’s reputation but there are some females who would like to dabble in sex but are afraid of the reputation they may receive. The best way that type of female can have sex is with someone they may never see again. Maybe Joran’s half truths are true. The opening of “Grease” is a perfect example.
Dave; and if in fact that was Dave Holloway responding, certainly went on the defensive rather quickly: less then twenty minutes for a response. That poster knew where I was coming from.
If Ruth was the intended target how come Joran and Geoffrey and even maybe Michael Dompig tried to pick Natalee up prior to her disappearance but no other instances to other MBHS female students, other then attempted drug selling has been made public information. Natalee and Ruth were roommates which brings me back to cameras in the HI rooms. I believe Natalee and Ruth had a different room when they first arrived.
The 29th of May was not the first time Natalee went to C and C’s.
Nothing has been made public concerning Natalee’s activities while she was on Aruba.
It is like someone is hiding what she did.
Something bad happened and JK’2s have the answers.
The answers, I don’t believe Aruba and Natalee’s camp now want to know.
Nothing constructive has come from the Dutch investigation, nothing has come from our State Departement and the FBI put its’ tail between their legs and went home.
Everyone has been looking in all the wrong places. If and I believe it is a big if; Natalee is found alive she will not be the same person that everyone remembers.
There is a young woman’s and an Island’s reputation at stake; we will never know what happened and now that it is almost two years this case will be considered closed.
Keep hammering JK’2s for me; THEY KNOW!!!
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SM: Please do not assume that anyone using the nickname Dave is Dave Holloway. As a matter of fact, I have not seen Dave Holloway post at SM. I have seen Jug Twitty and Steve Holloway post, but not Dave. (klaasend)
Yo evilive, keep swinging that sledge…
The closer you get, the more you keep banging on
that nest of hornets, and pissin ‘em off… they’ll
be a friggin buzzin around… cussin, & spittin’
talkin’ all about yer momma & stuff!
Some don’t like that, and run from it…
Me, I like to turn, and run directly into it. I eat it up, I loooove it, I wouldn’t have it any other way.
…and if one should ever have second thoughts of getting
stung, well, you could always wrap these around your
faceand head for protection! =) *or not
http://tinyurl.com/2stt5n
To Klaasend; I have the highest regard and respect for you but there could always be a first. This is what I posted.
“Dave; and IF in fact that was Dave Holloway responding, certainly went on the defensive rather quickly: less then twenty minutes for a response. THAT poster knew where I was coming from.”
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SM: I know that you weren’t saying for sure it was Dave. What I’m saying is that I can “see” as admin that that person is most likely not Dave Holloway
I’m 99% sure it was not (klaasend)
To evellive,
Beth stated on T.V. that Natalee was a virgin, and I have no reason to doubt her statement. And for that matter, it makes no difference to me if she was or was not. I see a beautiful young girl who had her whole life ahead of her, and it was taken away from her by some predatory a$$h$$$$ who thinks that society should be ruled and dominated by himself. He feels he should be allowed to get away with anything. He was indignant and pompous when he was called on his evil, repulsive, hideous deeds. He is in my opinion what does not make the world go round. He is rather dirt in the gears of any decency left in the world.
So what I’m saying is that Natalee’s life is of the utmost value, regardless of her sexual experiences; and the person (persons) who took her life, needs and deserves to pay for his (their) deeds by the strictest means that the law can hand out.
It’s obvious that either her body was so badly injured, that it could never be claimed that an accident happen, or someone was involved in her sexual assault that could never be revealed; and she was killed to prevent revealing his identity.
Anyway, just my opinion. I think as long as you keep the blame where the blame is deserved, and not on the victim then all is fair. Sure, there are some things that Ruth is not telling or at least that have not been made public; but it may not be anything that will help with solving Natalee’s disappearance.
Toughen up. You have a very good deductive reasoning. Stick with it.
Jerry
To Waterboy(Jerry) response to follow
#l88, to answer your question, maggie. the a.l.e. is that kind of police. they not only blamed beth but natalee herself. makes it that much worse to me. just like jellyfish.
dennisintn
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