“The Line Up” Discusses Natalee Holloway Disappearance … Joran, There is no Perfect Crime … Just Remember that


Last night on Fox News, Kimberly Guilfoyle discussed the disappearance of Natalee Aruba 3 suspectsHolloway in Aruba. A couple of interesting points came to light. Even though Ed Miller of America’s Most wanted has his doubts whether the case can be solved and that it may be the perfect crime, Ed is not privy to everything. Gee Ed, I am sure John Walsh would have loved your attitude when searching for his missing son

This could well be the perfect murder because there is just so much confusion involved in this case, it goes this way, it goes that way, it goes this way, I maintain it goes back to the missing lobster trap that somehow the body ended up in the lobster trap and taken out into deep water and now there’s nothing left. Therefore without a body, without evidence, it’s going to be very difficult to prove. As far as we’re concerned, America’s Most Wanted, we’ve looked into this case several times and it’s really coming up pretty much a dead end. (Fox News)

The fact remains that I would dare say that AMW is not privy to what Scared Monkeys is when it comes to the behind the scenes details of this case or searches. The reason being is that we don’t make things public for ratings. Information that is gained is done so to help find missing persons, not have pundit positions on Fox News (hint). Exactly who is to say that there will be no more searches that may recover evidence?

The other point that was made by Rod Wheeler was as follows:

I do believe that somehow the van der Sloot boy is involved; he did go on American television and admit that he purposely did kind of get her drunk so he could have sex with her and that is what he thought that he was targeting her right from the beginning. So again, if there is such a thing as the first step towards this girl’s mysterious disappearance I think you have to go back to him and his own statements.

Let us just use our common sense and see what actually happened. A specific person was targeted by Aruban boys who had done this as a sport against unsuspecting tourists numerous times in the past with no incident. Suddenly that targeted teen, Natalee Holloway, goes missing. Honestly, does it really take a rocket scientist to figure out who was responsible for Natalee’s disappearance? The actual person who was targeted goes missing, is it really that difficult a case?

If you find her body in a fish trap, then the tree suspects will be tried for murder? What if you do not? Does that make Natalee Holloway’s disappearance any more suspect as to who was responsible? The answer is no. In the end, Aruba’s tourism remains in the balance. If they do nothing, they will be forever labeled the Caribbean island that turned their head and covered up a crime against an American tourist. All the marketing in the world will never change that fact.

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  • Comments

    59 Responses to ““The Line Up” Discusses Natalee Holloway Disappearance … Joran, There is no Perfect Crime … Just Remember that”

    1. mayan_moons on March 12th, 2007 12:27 am

      I too was annoyed when Ed Miller said there was just to much confusion, especially him saying this “could be a perfect murder”

    2. dennisintn on March 12th, 2007 12:35 am

      and not only did they turn their collective heads to the crime itself, some people in the a.l.e. and judicial system have shielded the 3 suspects in the crime from justice and the business community has made it their business to try to destroy the reputations of the victim and her family in an attempt to blame the victim and her family, just in order to preserve their precious tourism business.

    3. tuyvnsurvivor on March 12th, 2007 12:45 am

      From this I am reminded, I once read, on another blog, a supposed young girl saying she was Joran’s most recent girlfriend prior to Natalie’s disappearance. She put her personal information up, contact information at that. I wonder why none of the tv shows with money to spend never did an in depth interview, paid for or otherwise, with that exgirlfriend. Might have opened the case in new ways or establish more clear characteristics and habits of Joran.

      Thinking the information would quickly disappear, I wrote it down. It was quickly removed from the blog.

      The case needs new life. Since January, no new hope.

    4. Kat_Gram on March 12th, 2007 1:06 am

      I think that there is still hope.
      There are things in the works where more information could be disclosed.
      What ?
      The lawsuit that the Kalpoes filed and the suit that the Family filed in California.
      Peter DeVries and his investigation.
      The Dutch police team.
      I do remember that there was talk of a two year limit
      where the police documents could be obtained by the family. And where has the time gone ? Two years is just around the corner.
      We have so little real information. The suspect statments
      are a few sheets of paper relative to the big packing box of paper that went to the NL.

    5. Richard on March 12th, 2007 6:23 am

      There is even dispute about the “missing” lobster trap … whether it actually is missing or ever was. By the way, Karin Janssen herself said that she could prosecute the case even in the absence of a body, and I know that there are precedents for doing so.

      The problem is with who’s doing (or not doing) the prosecuting. If Aruba won’t act, then it won’t get done.

      So what is the reason Aruba won’t act? Same old question.

      (Interesting that this AMW bozo uses the word “murder”.)

      But hey, he’s figured out one thing: Joran van der Sloot is “somehow involved.” With a great stroke of insight like that, he ought to have the case wrapped up any day now.

    6. Richard on March 12th, 2007 6:24 am

      Meanwhile, our strongest tactic to help make Aruba want to solve the case is to use the economic lever.

      No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.

      Two weeks to Boston! Stand up for Natalee!

    7. nurturer on March 12th, 2007 8:18 am

      #2 – Correct. The Aruban government, from the top guy, to the judges (the on-the-spot changing of the search warrant at the front door of the Van Der Sloot house), to imbecilic cops (How much money do you have?) who were all involved in the coverup of the disappearance and presumed murder of an American tourist.

      Apart from that, what gets me is how there are still people with the ‘it won’t happen to me’ attitude. Like the honeymoon couple that got stuck on the tarmac for 9 hours, heading for Aruba. Dumb.

    8. dennisintn on March 12th, 2007 9:31 am

      #3, was this the young girl who told the tv audience that jvds didn’t always want rough sex?

    9. JusticeforNatalee on March 12th, 2007 9:49 am

      There is no confusion, just LIES.

      IMO the case was solved almost two years ago.

      Now the truth needs to come out and the guilty need to go to JAIL.

    10. JusticeforNatalee on March 12th, 2007 10:00 am

      Just a reminder:

      Two weeks until the Boston Globe Travel Show

      Join our peaceful protest/vigil/awareness campaign

      Join us and make a stand for Natalee!

      New England monkeys, many of you live
      near the event, so hope you will do your
      best to make it!


    11. Miss-Underestimated on March 12th, 2007 10:48 am

      9. I agree this case was solved, then the cover up began.

      June 10, 2005 “Joran confessed and was taking ALE to body”

      ALE is the largest liars in this case.

    12. katablog.com on March 12th, 2007 11:23 am

      This is NOT a perfect murder. The ALE has a confession. We all know who killed Natalee Holloway. Several people (probably a whole bunch) on Aruba know exactly who killed Natalee Holloway and have far more details than most of us.

      I’m convinced that Paulus will run out of money one day and the blackmailers will search for new pay-offs, including American media willing to pay for proof of what we already know.

      Well hey, even the Kalpoe brothers will be searching for the big payout when they don’t find it with Dr. Phil.

      The case has been solved. The question is when the details will come forth, by whom and how much they will be paid.

      No Joran and Paulus, you still can’t sleep well at night.

    13. JusticeforNatalee on March 12th, 2007 12:38 pm

      “Something Bad Happened”

      Joran, Daddy can’t make your misdeed go away this time, can he?
      Too many people care about Natalee.

      Robert, are you reading? Maybe you should contact that club where Joran was just photographed and ask the manager why he/she let Joran in.
      After all, Joran is STILL the prime suspect in the Natalee Holloway case. The club certainly doesn’t want to put its other patrons at risk.

    14. tuyvnsurvivor on March 12th, 2007 12:52 pm

      #8, possibly yes, maybe you or others already know, I am not certain. Would simplify the reason no better follow-ups were attempted…on the front of exhausting what exgirlfriends could share of Joran. Looks to me his habits would reflect what he would be most prone to do….across the board, in wide ranging spectrums of this case.

      Understanding we know many of those tendencies, corruptively investigated.

      I think Natalie got in a car she was told was a taxi, no concern with 3 young boys, after all this is all one big party, a small island in the business of entertaining…I do not fault Natallie. I think the yet unskilled at this 3 gave Natallie a date rape drug, spun to them and learned from some other bit characters that crop up in this saga. I think Paul fully intended to get in on the drugged sex, but it never happened for him as it had the 3. Guessing Nat began to wake up at Paulus’ home, might awake the mother not yet in on the ordeal, the boys stuff more drug down her to get her back out of consiousness, she begins convulssions and dies rather simply. From there I think emmediate panic set in, efforts to cover the scean, the body removed fast, put in a large curbside trash type container or such…would like to know if one was missing in the neighborhood. I think the next day lime may have been pour into the container, thus why I asked repeatedly to those of supposed contact with the family, to check garden centers etc for sale of lime. Paulus the wantabee judge would know about lime to kill oder, repeal flies, and cause rapid consumpton of the body. I think the fish trap may have been touched and moved but never used for the final disposal of lovely Nat. Within only a couple of days lime or chemical has done rapid decay, softened the bones as well, without having to dump the container itself the body now easy for sea life to consume, was taken to sea. After that a few favors and friends in right places do the cover-up.

      Since Miller had a dog hit a hot spot where he felt the body once was, and considering she was buried there perhaps, then at one time I feel she was in a bag, maybe more likely rolled in poly of some sort, still with chemical or lime. That the dogs did not have a strong hit, brings me more to the use of lime. I have trained dogs to CDX, and am observate of dog language, things that affect them.

      I use lime on dead cow carcases, many do. Some landfills use it on dead animals. Amazing stuff. Lime migrates essily, would have been interesting if the boys and Paul had been actually questioned and the residence examined.

      Just my ideas, thinking to print.

    15. Richard on March 12th, 2007 1:19 pm

      Tuyvnsurvivor, wouldn’t you think that if the scenario that you outlined did happen, rather than bury her body at their home only to move it again … that they would get it out of there posthaste? I find it hard to believe that people would inter a body and then dig it back up only to move it.

      Not to be grotesque, but in hot, humid climates decay and insect damage set in very quickly.

    16. G & M Lamando on March 12th, 2007 1:54 pm

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE….unheard of? I venture to guess that one day we will be viewing this on American Justice…Cold Case Files, etc. etc.

      Sadly..does not look like justice will be found anytime soon. I love the Island, it’s beautiful but it is true…no matter how many millions of dollars are spent on advertising & marketing there—now Aruba will always be known as the “Happy Island” where a young, American girl disappeared and the Aruban government & some Law enforcement officials covered it up. Jossy Mansur from DARIO is one of the only ones there who reports the truth, or what is believed to be truthful allegations without prejudice on any side. Next time I’m sitting under a palm tree with a tropical drink I’ll say a prayer and thank God something like this did not happen to our daughter.

      Scared Monkeys…keep up the good work!

    17. Robert on March 12th, 2007 3:45 pm

      #JusticeforNatalee | March 12, 2007, 12:38 pm

      I don’t think that would be a very good idea…
      First of all: as long as Jurine isn’t convicted he’s protected by the law and untill then he’s officialy presumed “innocent”. We all know he’s scum but the law doesn’t work like that and doesn’t look at specific persons – unfortunatly… Theoreticly he could sew me for stalkin’ and slandering him.
      Secondly: Do you know how many bars, discotheques, cafés, etc. there are here? And across the German border (many dutch who live on this side of the country go out in mega-disco’s right across the border in Germany). It would cost me all my time and money to try to get him banned from all the “joints” where he could show up.
      I’m sorry… But… On the other hand I am very, very, very, very much convinced that this year this criminal will get punished – by that same law that protects him now. I think the judicial system on Aruba has taken the right course now. And – maybe even more important – I think the dutch investigative team is silently doing their work… WELL! (And let’s not forget Peter R. De Vries: I think he’s still working on this case to!) So we must be patient. I am hopefull the coin will fall on the right side this year! And I think you’re all doing a good job keeping the attention to this and keeping the pressure on! I personaly think that you as concerned US-citizens make a bigger impression than I can on the dutch and carribian authorities.
      I’ll keep my eyes and ears open and’ll let you know when there is news here!

    18. tuyvnsurvivor on March 12th, 2007 4:27 pm

      Richard, I think the 3 and daddy too, contacted the other characters who introduced them to the date rape drug — in a panic, as to how to anti-dose the drug. Once Nat got in trouble. Getting rid of the body at sea emmediatelly might have been thought risky, with the timing of a boat on the waters during the first hours of a missing person. Paulus would have known better.

      Whatever the correct resolve to the mystery, I think in the end the puzzel is solved only by applying ‘what would Paulus, with his in the systems wisdom do?’ Because I feel he was doing the thinking, to a lesser extent the boat driver that once lied for them thinking a bit, radars, who will be on duty at shore patrol that can turn thier heads or just what cracks there are in the patrols..

      ANd when Paulus is first put to video by Greta, sure looked to me that Paulus had now controlled his emmotions by tranquilizers…sweats and calm at battle. Of course that should have had cusrory investigation.

      I try to think what would Paulus do.

      Lime matches up to some of the difficulties, dog tracking difficulty, suspicions the body may have been moved. Lime is organic, easy to get, effective as a mask of smell and flies, starts rapid decay on a body, not too grusome to handle the body further if it has been covered with a lot of lime, and does’t hurt the handler much, just wash it off. Paul would handily know all this.

    19. joe bear on March 12th, 2007 4:34 pm

      Hey,in Boston call the Kennedy’s and ask their support,since aruba abuses the handicapped.You might get some suprise help.

    20. Maggie on March 12th, 2007 5:18 pm

      I watched this show.. all of them seem to believe VDSloot is involved in Natalee’s disappearance and that she was taken out to the water.. They believe she was taken out to the water, none believe she’s alive. and Rod Wheeler says he still believes this can be solved.

      I will never in a million years believe Joran and Natalee were at the beach that nightand she wanted to stay there alone in the dark at 3am.. NO way do I believe..he left her there at the Fisherman’s Huts and his shoes at the Marriot beach and someone came along and victimized Natalee and then went looking for his and her shoes to dispose of them. These 3 and the father have all the answers to what happened to Natalee Holloway.

    21. JusticeforNatalee on March 12th, 2007 5:31 pm


      You misunderstood me.

      I just meant that ONE bar in which we recently
      saw a photo.

      It amazes me that a bar manager or owner
      would let Joran on the premises, putting the bar’s
      female patrons at risk.

      Anyway, I respect your opinion, and I am very glad
      that you are on this blog!

    22. Robert on March 12th, 2007 6:17 pm

      #JusticeforNatalee | March 12, 2007, 5:31 pm

      Sorry, didn’t want to be rude; just elaborated a bit on your suggestion.

      But I totaly agree with you… If I was that barmanager I would have kicked the thug out of my bar, out on the street!

      (And thanks for the hospitality, by the way!)

    23. mayan_moons on March 12th, 2007 6:59 pm

      Robert….i and everyone here really appreciate you connecting with us on what the word is in your neck of the woods and you have you’re finger on the pulse of the public perception that we haven’t had before.

      Its not easy being patient some days with the way Aruba has jerked the family & us arround for nearly 2 years.
      Some days i feel angry and some days sad (today). But we will NEVER forget Natalee or let Aruba forget her either.

    24. Simon on March 12th, 2007 7:04 pm

      I do not think it will be solved.The reason being, the Aruban govt, if involved in a coverup,wont want to have another trial and more bad publicity.The 2 year anniversary will pass, maybe there will be some stories in May, then it will just go away.I have been to Aruba after the Holloway fiasco and it still seemed fairly safe.Basically I felt more secure there than I did in Jamaica.No touts trying to sell me mushrooms and weed(not as many anyways)…

    25. Maggie on March 12th, 2007 7:25 pm

      Great Simon, I don’t think local guys are going to be out preying on a guy tourist. People are boycotting because of the way this case was handled right from the start and the way the victim and the family have been repeatedly victimized since.. Natalee was a paying tourist too, who was the victim of a crime, not a Holloway fiasco.

    26. KrisG on March 12th, 2007 7:39 pm

      Thank you Kimberly G. for including Natalee’s case in this program. You have been an ally of the Holloway and Twitty families throughout their ordeal.

      Justice for Natalee Holloway!

    27. Sparks on March 12th, 2007 8:35 pm

      To Tuyngsurvior,

      I think your right – they missed judge how much drug or drugs to give Natalee to keep her unconscious. She slipped into a coma and died. Paulus disposed of the body using a boat that same night. I think it happened at the Van Der Sloot compound.

      I think it will be solved because the suspects are cocky. I believe there will be a slip of the tongue when they are drunk one night. There is a cloud over Aruba until it is solved. A company or country in the vacation business can’t have a death of a customer with no rsolution to the cause.

      “No resolution, No tourists”

    28. Allan K on March 12th, 2007 11:13 pm

      Yes,Simon you probably fit right in Aruba. We are talking of females being violated not men. Some people have no respect for anything. Also that was an Aruban fiasco not an Holloway fiasco.

    29. Meee on March 12th, 2007 11:36 pm

      Who is this troll? “The Aruban gov’t If involved in a coverup” HUH??? If invovlved??? “I have been to Aruba after the Holloway Fiasco” Time to eradicate this troll from the board…

    30. tuyvnsurvivor on March 12th, 2007 11:49 pm

      Sparks, as things are in Aruba, a slip of the tongue would make little diference, when they can give incriminating statements to authorities and then back out of those statements.

      One of my ideas is that Paulus knew better than to take the body to sea right away, could show up on satelite image, or shore radar if anyone could think they actually try to monitor drug smuggling. Dumping a body inside any kind of container at all I feel the judge would have opposed.

      The panic must have been hard to deal with for the 3 punks…if indeed thereis law on Aruba. No doubt they were glad to have Paul in the scheme.

      Takes one really sick family that could pull this off. Have to be quite sick to live with it this long afterwards. I have tried to imagine living with the secret…it is chilling for a moments thought.

      I want to say again, this story so captivated me, like millions of others. I do not want a potencial family member reading to think I have any but the highest admiration for Natalee (I am ordinarily a horrible speller)and the entire Holloway/Titty family.

      I have two daughters, atheltes and high acedemics. We all go through risks with them; they have no clue how vunerable they are and how hard the world can be…how much we worry. Perhaps Beth asks of kids to not beg the parents to allow them to do things that worry us of dreaded consequences so much. lol. Try it Beth, good work you do. But, I was fortunate, the trips to Paris and London worked out fine…they call each day and come for Sunday dinner too. Like Natalee would.

    31. JusticeforNatalee on March 13th, 2007 12:00 am


      Nice to know you weren’t drugged and date-raped in Aruba.
      As Maggie stated, you aren’t exactly at high risk of being targeted.

      Would you let your sister go to Aruba?

      You are mistaken about a trial and prosecution being bad publicity.
      Americans want justice. A prosecution and conviction would be GOOD publicity. Aruba is fooling no one with its coverup of the crimes against Natalee.

    32. mayan_moons on March 13th, 2007 12:48 am

      I agree that using a lobster cage would be the first thing the 3 thought of to dispose the body but that Paules would know better for the reasons you gave and also knowing that the flesh would be gone fairly quickly but the bones & especially the skull would remain in the cage & could be seen & retrieved with side scan sonar.

    33. mayan_moons on March 13th, 2007 12:57 am

      I know in my gut that Natalee is under that stupid rocks garden thing….its sooo obvious. Who wants to errect a bunch of rocks on their patio when their son is in jail and you’re scared $hitless people will see you in the casino video sitting & talking to the girl that is missing?

    34. mayan_moons on March 13th, 2007 1:02 am

      Someone….. can’t remeber who was opining on the lyme effect hastening the decomposition and its true thats what it does….BUT lyme does NOT soften or obliterate bones, teeth. Plenty do think that it does but they are wrong.
      Even short of incineration doesn’t destroy them as many have tried & thought they’d gotton away from the victim being identified.

    35. Sparks on March 13th, 2007 1:18 am

      To tuyvnsurvivor,

      I’m just hoping for a miracle to happen and one suspect would tired of the stress. I doubt these kids saw someone die before. In the police car recording, Joran said Satish was seeing the ghosts in his jail cell. Just maybe, it could push Satish to confess.

      I was thinking they would dispose of the body ASAP because they would be watched later on.

    36. Simon on March 13th, 2007 4:24 am


      actually, I went to Aruba and Jamaica with my sister and her friend.I have a blurred vision of her singing that “and then got high” song on karaoke a few blocks from the Renaissance in Oranjested.But it would be bad publicity.Arubans want to forget this incident.I honestly think its horrible what happened, but I do think its an isolated event and I did feel safe there..I know there are people that will disagree, but I did have a good time there and would go back before I went back to Jamaica or DR or Puerto Rico for that matter…Im not about visiting the same plae twice unless its amaizing like Seychelles.But I still feel it was not dangerous, even for women.As far as being a troll…..Ill never say anything thing I do not honestly believe just to upset people on a blog.peace………………………………

    37. Richard on March 13th, 2007 6:39 am

      Robert, thanks for coming here and speaking out. At the very least, do what you can to keep this case in the public eye and try to GET THE DUTCH TEAM TO DO SOMETHING.

      You say you think they’re working on it silently, and Beth Twitty has said she thinks the Dutch will act, if anything.

      But how long will it take them?

      Whatever our ideas may be on what happened to Natalee, let’s all keep pressing for answers. And punishment of the guilty.

      Join us in Boston! Stand up for Natalee!

    38. Richard on March 13th, 2007 11:39 am

      In case you haven’t figured it out, Simon, some of us think there’s more to the Natalee Holloway disappearance than meets the eye.

      For you to call it an “incident” makes me sick. Maybe Arubans see it as an “incident.” Ask Natalee’s family if that’s the word they use.

      If the Arubans got their collective heads out of a certain part of their anatomy which I won’t name, they would likewise know that it’s more than an “incident.” It’s a reflection on and indictment of the whole corrupt island.

      So I think you owe those of us who frequent this blog and spend our time and money on behalf of Natalee and her family an APOLOGY for your damned insensitive language.

      Got that?

    39. Miss-Underestimated on March 13th, 2007 1:13 pm

      Hey Anita…..what was on your camera that the ALE took in a search that did not happen, Pauleys buddy called off the search in the house. Why did you let them search Jorans pad, but not your house?

      Why was there a dire need for new furniture in your house when your mansize son was in jail? Think about it, the last thing people would think about it a high profile case like this is getting new furniture, unless of course, there is a need to get rid of the old furniture fast, or…..who was picking up the old furniture to get of the house and why?

      This case is far from over or cold. The quietness of it all tells me that something is up.

    40. Patti on March 13th, 2007 8:05 pm


      Speaking for myself, I am supporting the boycott out of respect for a family that desperately wants answers in their daughter’s disappearance. I think it’s sad that you couldn’t find it in your heart to do the same, but even sadder that you feel the necessity to reveal your heartlessness here.

      Go back to Aruba, please, and sing your praises to their own UN-presence of mind as you are just like them…

      {{edit – please, let’s not attack the poster.   You can disagree with the post}}

    41. Patti on March 13th, 2007 8:10 pm


      Yeah, Anita. But I am more interested in knowing what was on the camera that was picked up and delivered back to Freddy the day after Natalee disappeared.

      Sounds like you have a bad, not-so-little, boy!

      And, please do tell… what kind of underware does he wear?

    42. Simon on March 13th, 2007 10:39 pm


      You may disagree with me and I am sure that your passions are high.I do feel compassion for her family.What normal person would not?I have a heart and I see where you are coming from.Just not fair to demonize an entire country.My sister is actually very attractive and turns heads wherever she goes.She has something I call self control and brains.Know when to say when.Stick with your friends/group, and do not be a drunken idiot.I never said I did not have a good time.As for myself,I have been in a steady relationship for 3 years.Do not insult me or my family because you disagree with me.{{Edit – I have edited Patti’s post and I’m editing yours.   Please do not attack the poster}}

    43. mayan_moons on March 13th, 2007 11:37 pm

      Okay Simon you ticked off what you deem were Natalee’s faults but you haven’t said one word about Aruba’s responsibilities. Aruba representitives came on tv everynight lying thru their teeth & playing us.

      For those reasons i have the right to demonize, boycott all i want and until someone you love is ripped away out of you’re life you can’t understand.

    44. mayan_moons on March 13th, 2007 11:43 pm

      Aruba Reps lied as good or better than their criminal youths but we saw through it and now its their turn to kicked in the head.

    45. mayan_moons on March 13th, 2007 11:47 pm

      And it just so happens i’ve got a new pair of steel toe boots for the job!

    46. Patti on March 13th, 2007 11:59 pm


      You say you have compassion?

      Actions speak louder than words…

    47. Richard on March 14th, 2007 6:23 am

      Simon, please read my prior post. You owe us an apology for your insensitive and condescending term of the Natalee Holloway “incident.” We’re still waiting.

      Maybe your sister has brains; I don’t know. I do know that Natalee was an honors student, had a scholarship to medical school, did volunteer work and held down a part-time job.

      I’d say she had more brains than most of Aruba put together, judging from what I’ve seen. And probably more integrity than the entire Aruban government.

      So your offensive remarks and language are not going unnoticed. And three male predators against one small girl (drugged or not) are likely to have the physical strength to carry out any plans they had already conceived of.

    48. Simon on March 14th, 2007 9:51 am


      I am sorry you feel the word incident is an insult.I did not mean to offend by referring to it as such.It was insensitive for me to say that.I feel bad for everybody involved.The Holloways,Twittys, Aruban people, who really had nothing to do with this and are helpless while their government stalled and stalled and let it get to the point that it got to.I wish there was a solution.I can not imagine if this happened to my sister, girlfriend, or mother or anybody I care for.That being said..While I probably will not return anytime soon, I will not demonize the place and their people for something that they really have no control over anymore.

    49. G&M L., from Boston on March 14th, 2007 10:15 am

      To come on a blog site and hurl insults at eachother does not help anything. Remember, SM is good enough to keep giving this topic a top spot on their blog. Stick to the facts here, People. It’s fine to speculate and have your own theories…but keep in mind the goal…..

      JUSTICE FOR NATALEE……Unfortunately, we all have to wait it out and let the powers to be shape it’s course. The more time that passes, the sadder the realization that those guilty of a crime in this case are going to continue to get away with it.

    50. Richard on March 14th, 2007 12:43 pm

      Simon, I agree that the Aruban people are not the ones with whom we have a quarrel. And thanks for your perceptive comment; a Boston Globe reporter used the same word, “incident,” a few days ago and I sent her a scathing email. But we’re all clear now, I trust.

      And there’s good news about the Boston protest. I’ve been waiting for the relevant police people to get back to me; last week they promised me a very fast response, since when there has been nothing. It’s been more than two weeks.

      Anyway, a call to the Boston consumer affairs office generated the info that for a protest group of our size, no permit was needed and none would be issued. So I take that as the all-clear signal.

      Come protest in Boston! Stand up for Natalee!

      No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba. The only means we have to promote our goal is the economic tool. Let’s use it.

    51. Sharon Chicago on March 14th, 2007 1:17 pm

      I think that they put her in the cage and ran it out to sea early morning hours. They wanted to get her far away from the island after she was murdered. Whatever they did to her drugs, etc. caused her death. I don’t think they
      meant to kill her intentionally,…but their plot turned into murder in the end. I would think, that because they knew that they were the cause of her dieing, they had to dispose of her quickly and not on the island. Makes sense that if the cage was missing/hut broken into, that they used the cage to dispose of Natalee. Either they told Pappa VanSlut about it or he jumped into the water with sonny boy and helped lower her into the sea. Regardless, He knows the truth and is guilty like they are. Some day they will all be behind bars for their crimes of murder.

    52. Sharon Chicago on March 14th, 2007 1:20 pm

      Only other theory I could have would be that they burried Natalee in a grave and also stold the cage to throw everyone off so that they would think Natalee was out at
      sea. I am believing that the truth will come forth. Those
      Kalpoe’s and other participants probably get anxious at times thinking about their sins…but jug head Joran …never allows himself to think bad things about himself…. Some one will crack ..stand by!!

    53. Maggie on March 14th, 2007 4:27 pm

      Natalee was not a drunken idiot. She had traveled to other countries too before with no problems. Only after Natalee met up with these 3 do those 3 have her doing and saying things completely out of character according to her family and long time friends for her. That by itself is suspicious. Instead of blaming a voiceless victim, blame the creeps who preyed on her. In Joran’s own words, we have done this 20 times before and nothing bad happened or Deepak’s words, we have all been in a hotel room together having sex with tourists before. Go to a bar at almost closing time and wait till the place closes and whisk them off in the chaos of a crowd. Noone knows why Natalee went in the car, but it was out of character for her, her friends said ,,Natalee told her outside she was going back to her hotel with some other MB students.. She had been in Aruba for 3 days with no problems until Joran decided to show up. Try blaming him and his father who went into the casino underage drinking and gambling. Why wasn’t the casino in trouble? He would never have met Natalee that night had the laws been enforced. Try blaming CnC and these 3 ,,Joran is being served Rum151 underage and has a VIP pass to the club underage.. Again he wouldn’t have been around Natalee. I get so tired of people blaming victims, while the creeps roam the streets looking for their next victim.

      Beth went to Aruba to fix her police statement and people showed up and protested and told her to go home. They came out to protest a mother who has for 2 years wanted her daughter for a burial and a place to pay respects to her and yet not one has protested or written to complain the way this case has been handled by authorities or justice for Natalee. Jossy has been the one to come out for Natalee.
      People were paid to go out and lie to the press and Natalee’s family and about Natalee and her family. IE Arlene Shippers working for AHATA came out and said last time Beth was in Aruba she met with the prosecutor while in Aruba and Arlene saw it. Beth’s attorney came out the next day and said it didn’t happen the prosecutor was too busy. The 3 suspects and the father have done nothing but lie since the night Natalee went missing, Not one thing they have done would lead to the truth about Natalee’s last night in Aruba. If they aren’t going to stand up for Justice for Natalee, then why would I believe they would stand up for Justice for anyone I know.

      Thousands of people last year said this couldn’t happen to someone else, but not me.. only to find one year later, many are walking in the same shoes as Beth and Dave. Stop blaming the voiceless victims, blame the creeps who commit these crimes against our children. A predator many times watches for days before they make their move.

      The couple comments, if they find the girl they will see that chit..and if they have no body , they have no case, speaks volumes to me.

    54. Susie on March 14th, 2007 5:29 pm

      Simon, What you said that I find to be so insulting in your reply (post #42) to Patti is that you referred to Natalee as a “drunken idiot”. Now that’s enough to piss my grandma off and those go beyond fighting words. Surely you’ve heard of the possibility that a date rape drug was dropped into Natalee’s drink by the bartender, right? Natalee was far from an idiot, but very possibly not herself at all (due to being drugged) when she left Carlos n Charlie’s in the wee hours of the morning. Let’s just hope the same never happens to your sister or anyone else that you hold near and dear to your heart…

    55. Patti on March 14th, 2007 7:07 pm


      Good News!!!!

      I’m happy for you and my thoughts
      and prayers are with you and the
      many that are supporting the family
      by attending the rally.

      Boycott Aruba!

    56. Richard on March 14th, 2007 11:07 pm

      Thanks Patti, and remember everyone … the Boston protest is next weekend. Coming hard upon us and fast….

      We all can post on blogs at little or no inconvenience or sacrifice to ourselves. But let’s not be a “summer soldier” or a “sunshine patriot,” in the moving words of Thomas Paine.

      Show up at Boston! Stand up for Natalee!

    57. Sharon Chicago on March 15th, 2007 10:51 am

      #36 Simon, you have given your male perspective on your island holidays…but what about the female victims who woke up in a stuper fogged out…not remembering what happened to them the night before because stalkers/gangs like Joran’s and others have been putting date rape drugs into their drinks … Joran and others have an insatiable sex addiction and raping a drugged women would be pare for the course for low life people like that. The victims memory is a blur and she does not know what happened to her. It would have been good to hear your concern for women who are victims by these preditors, instead of telling us how safe you feel staying there!

    58. GutFeeling on March 15th, 2007 3:21 pm

      I don’t know how closely you watched this case Simon, but all efforts of Aruba Law enforcement were for the sole purpose of giving Paulus van der Sloot time to dispose of a body. This is state sponsored crime. The boycott is an expression of objection to state sponsored crime. And Simon, all we are saying is that if this had been your sister or your mother we would be doing the same for you.

    59. Sharon Chicago on March 16th, 2007 1:51 pm

      The corruption in the police force/government is so thick in Aruba.

      I think they all knew what happened when a female tourist
      arrived that they were given rape drugs and I think someone up high on the pole was involved in participating
      in the rapes. Joran and 2Kalpoe’s were afraid to talk
      to get this person in trouble.

      I find it very strange that a 16 year old has his own apartment in the back of parents property, drinks and gambles with his father.

      Someday, the people of Aruba will get loose lips and talk about what they know. It is only a matter of time.

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