RSSIn Aruba its not About the decrease in Tourism, but the Increase in Drugs
So what is the #1 money maker in Aruba, tourism or drugs? Can one only imagine the 
amount of cocaine, heroine, marijuana, XTC, etc that get through without being confiscated? How can an island have this type a problem when it is so small, confined and every one knows every one?
In the first 11 months of 2006, 3000 kilo cocaine was intercepted in Aruba. This is 9 percent more than in the entire year of 2005.
In the report, Aruba is still being considered as a transfer place for drugs via airplane and cruise ship to the US; not so much to Europe. Besides, it is remarkable that heroine is being mentioned as number one and cocaine as number two, while considering the amounts that were intercepted, you would expect the contrary.
The report in Amigoe states that there are known drug gangs on Aruba. That they are active and that drugs can be purchased at ones convenience. Exactly how is it possible that an island so small where everyone knows everyone that such things are can go on without the police or government’s knowledge? Aruba is only so big. There are only so many places to search and people to question, yet it continues.
The report states that drugs can easily be obtained at walking distance from the cruise terminal in Oranjestad, and is being offered to cruise tourists on a regular basis.
According to the report, there are indications that organized drug-gangs are active on the island. A few drug dealers were arrested and sentenced in 2006. These drug dealers incite drug-couriers to the actual transportation. There were 123 arrests in 2005, but the 2006 report does not mention a specific amount.
Aruba lies at the heart of the southern Caribbean, about two-and-a-half hours by air from Miami, Florida and within easy flying distance of other U.S. cities. The island is 19.6 miles long, and six miles across at its widest point, with a total area of 70 square miles.
Just l5 miles off the coast of Venezuela
The only reason why the US and DEA turns its head to this problem and pretends like they care about this issue is because Hugo Chavez sits 15 miles from the Aruba. What else is Aruba going to turn into or already has become now that tourism hit the skids? Its not like drugs and money laundering is something new, although the white sands, warm water and past flourishing economy certainly was nice cover.
The smuggling of drugs, money laundering and the related violence continue to be a threat for the islands of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba. The authorities will rigorously continue with actions against drug-smugglers and money launderers to prevent that the islands become a refuge for illegal activities.
Is it any wonder why no one comes forward with information on Natalee Holloway. No one in Aruba comes forward with any information out of fear on the retaliatory consequences. Even when there is a reward involved.
Amigoe, March 8, 2007: More cocaine, but less heroine intercepted in Aruba
American and Aruban authorities are working very close together on the control of drug related criminality. The Coastguard for the Neth.Antilles and Aruba is also involved.
ORANJESTAD – In the first 11 months of 2006, 3000 kilo cocaine was intercepted in Aruba. This is 9 percent more than in the entire year of 2005. On the other hand, only 3 kilo heroine was intercepted versus 68 kilo in the year before. That is stated in the International Narcotics Control Strategy Report for 2006 that the Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs of the American ministry of Foreign Affairs published last week.
In the report for 2005, also 526 kilo marihuana and 38 XTC pills were mentioned, but nothing is mentioned about these in the 2006 report. In 2006, the American immigration service and border patrol that reports to the Department of Homeland Security at the Reina Beatrix airport intercepted fewer narcotics with destination United States than they did in 2005. The report states that drugs can easily be obtained at walking distance from the cruise terminal in Oranjestad, and is being offered to cruise tourists on a regular basis. The cruise companies that have Aruba on their timetable have introduced strict measures to prevent crewmembers from establishing permanent drug routes to the United States.
DRUG-GANGS
In the report, Aruba is still being considered as a transfer place for drugs via airplane and cruise ship to the US; not so much to Europe. Besides, it is remarkable that heroine is being mentioned as number one and cocaine as number two, while considering the amounts that were intercepted, you would expect the contrary.
According to the report, there are indications that organized drug-gangs are active on the island. A few drug dealers were arrested and sentenced in 2006. These drug dealers incite drug-couriers to the actual transportation. There were 123 arrests in 2005, but the 2006 report does not mention a specific amount.
It does mention cooperation between Aruban and American authorities when it comes to arresting American citizens that try to smuggle substantial amount of drugs to the United States. The two countries are also cooperating on information to students. It specifically mentions the Police Corps of Aruba.
In 2006, the Aruban government has also made space available to the aircrafts of the American air force and customs that try to hunt down drug transportation from the air.
Regarding the Forward Operation Location (FOL), the report only states that, the airport will be supplied with more facilities in the future.
REFUGE
Employees of the anti-drugs institutions are encouraged to take the courses given by the Drugs Enforcement Agency (DEA) en Homeland Security and to use the facilities that are available. The smuggling of drugs, money laundering and the related violence continue to be a threat for the islands of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba. The authorities will rigorously continue with actions against drug-smugglers and money launderers to prevent that the islands become a refuge for illegal activities.
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ARUBA is a hellhole
It is called corruption
Joe B I agree with friends like Hugo what do you expect.
I guess that’s one way they can get the economy up again.
Should be a real warning to all who travel there that think what happened to Natalee was an isolated incident.
Aruba beautiful empty beaches today.
Its about money.The island is right off the coast of Colombia and Venezuela.Of course there are drugs there.Maybe you should look at the fact that the United States in the number one consumer of cocaine AND heroin in the world.There is billions of dollars to be made in the drug trade.Drugs are pouring in through both the Canadadian and Mexican borders.Where there is demand there will be supply.
It would be interesting to talk to the people incarcerated and what they are in for and the circumstances of their cases in Aruba. Since we have seen perjury, obstruction of justice, admittance of sexual activity while a girl is passing out off and on, driving underage, drinking underage, gambling underage, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, framing 2 men for a crime, being in a casino and club underage and not one thing has been done to them, it would be nice to see what others are serving time for. Even when a judge won’t allow them to search the property of the last people seen with Natalee and yet they can search 2 security guards homes, who didn’t even know her. Over one week to search Joran’s place. It’s never been about the tourists it’s about the money. Nothing was done to any of this guys.. Oh we done this 20 times before and nothing happened. I hardly think he meant we have picked up a girl at closing time, lied to her all evening, and forgot a condom and left her on the beach 20 times. The only way Natalee wasn’t the victim of a crime is if she left voluntarily or accidently died and buried herself. Natalee worked hard for her scholarship and had already bought clothes to wear later in the summer for college activities. She left all her clothes behind, her makeup, she had no phone, no money, no transportation, no passport and all of her long time best friends and her family she loved were left behind. I can’t imagine the nightmare an 18 year old girl went through getting in a car and listening to these 3 talking in a foreign language and her realizing she wasn’t going back to the Holiday Inn. Aruba..one happy island yea right.. It will be forever haunted by what was done to Natalee on her last night in Aruba and the continuing victimization of Natalee, the paying tourist, who paid with her life just to celebrate her graduation a few days. Natalee was the victim of a horrendous crime.
If Dennis Jacobs knows that people at Carlos n Charlies drug your drinks, then why wouldn’t they have undercover people working in there instead of leaving it as a trap for tourists to walk right into. Pathetic.
Must be all those American tourists forcing those poor Arubans to sell them drugs. Yep, it’s the Americans’ fault that Aruba is awash with drugs and drug money.
Take away the American tourists and you wouldn’t have these problems.
Hey … not such a bad idea! Americans, and everyone else, let’s NOT go to Aruba!
The Arubans take the DEA drug courses and learn how the DEA works, and cooperate with it … except where their own traffickers are involved. That’s another thing we ought to do … move our drug interception units away from Aruba to some island with a semblance of decency and honesty.
Every country has to battle the drug problem. As
long as people are free to make choices, some will
choose wisely, others foolishly.
The BIG difference, much like the Holloway case…
It really matters how you treat the drug problem.
Aruban cops are very “Barney Fife” about the problem.
Remember? Barney Fife was only allowed to carry
one bullet, and it had to be put in his pocket
not in a gun. Andy was afraid he’d get over-excited
and shoot hole in his goneys!
What is ALE doing to chase down cigarette boat
drug runners? They gonna catch ‘em in a hot chase
with the TATTOO PARTY BOAT?
“You make me laugh my fren. Simply laugh.” -S Kalpoe
-j4n
Simeon:
What about the cocaine that is going the other direction?
Remember:
Those same countries in Central and South America also send
their fair supply to Europe, as well… all of Europe. And
it is The Netherlands and Spain that distribute the majority
of it.
The following is found at this link:
http://ar2006.emcdda.europa.eu/en/page009-en.html
Production and trafficking
Cocaine is the most trafficked drug in the world after herbal cannabis and cannabis resin. In terms of volume seized – 578 tonnes worldwide in 2004 – trafficking continued to be predominantly in South America (44 %) and North America (34 %), followed by Western and Central Europe (15 %) (CND, 2006).
Colombia is by far the largest source of illicit coca in the world, followed by Peru and Bolivia. Global production of cocaine in 2004 is estimated to have increased to 687 tonnes, of which Colombia contributed 56 %, Peru 28 % and Bolivia 16 % (UNODC, 2005). Most of the cocaine seized in Europe comes directly from South America (mainly Colombia) or via Central America and the Caribbean. In 2004, Suriname, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador, Curaçao, Jamaica, Mexico, Guyana and Panama were reported as transit countries for cocaine imported into the EU (Reitox national reports, 2005; WCO, 2005; CND, 2006; INCB, 2006a; Europol, 2006). Some also passed through Africa, increasingly through Western Africa and countries in the Gulf of Guinea (mainly Nigeria), but also East Africa (Kenya) and North-west Africa through the islands off the coast of Mauritania and Senegal (CND, 2006; INCB, 2006a). The main points of entry in the EU remain Spain, the Netherlands and Portugal, as well as Belgium, France and the United Kingdom (Reitox national reports, 2005; CND, 2006; Europol, 2006). Although Spain and the Netherlands still play an important role as distribution points for the cocaine entering the EU, the intensified controls along the Spanish north coast (Galicia) and the 100 % controls policy on flights from specific countries (134) at Schipol Airport (Amsterdam) may have played a part in the development of alternative routes, increasingly, for example, via Africa, but also via Eastern and Central Europe and secondary distribution from there to Western Europe (Reitox national reports, 2005; WCO, 2005; INCB, 2006a).
A large part of Aruba is truly morally corrupt and criminally minded. Ask Posner, Mr. Pink, Joran, Paulus? Just thought what happened to the hotel manager or whatever he was, that had all that dape rape drug? Was he selling it or using it on the tourists?
Allen K:
You’re right and of course, there’s the Ecstacy, 80% or which is manufactured in The Netherlands. So, basically, you have the Ecstacy going one direction, into the Carribean and the Cocaine going the other… again, to The Netherlands.
Here’s a link from the Justice Department that discloses the fact that there is, indeed, some cocaine that is smuggled to the U.S. from Aruba:
Caribbean Corridor
Approximately 22 percent of the cocaine available in the United States is transported from South America through the Caribbean to maritime POEs in the United States, particularly in southeastern states. According to IACM, of the cocaine shipments that were detected departing South America moving toward the United States via the Caribbean, most departed South America on vectors that indicated transit via either Jamaica (7% of the 22%) or Haiti/Dominican Republic (7% of the 22%). Cocaine shipments also were detected moving toward the United States on vectors that indicated transit via Puerto Rico/U.S. Virgin Islands (4% of the 22%) and Aruba/Lesser Antilles (3% of the 22%). An additional 1 percent of cocaine shipments were detected moving toward the United States via the Caribbean, although the areas through which the cocaine transited were undetermined.
Most of the cocaine that is transported to the United States via the Caribbean corridor is smuggled into the country through maritime POEs in southeastern states, particularly maritime POEs in Florida. According to EPIC seizure data, of 8,665 kilograms of cocaine seized from commercial vessels at POEs in 2002 and 2003, approximately 85.5 percent (7,408 kg) was seized at POEs in southeastern states. Moreover, approximately 79.6 percent (6,903 kg of 8,665 kg) of the cocaine seized from commercial vessels at maritime POEs was seized at POEs in Florida.
The principal POEs for cocaine transported to the continental United States via the Caribbean corridor include Miami, Fort Lauderdale and, to a lesser extent, New Orleans, although cocaine is smuggled into several other maritime POEs as well. EPIC seizure data for 2002 and 2003 show that a much greater amount of cocaine was seized from commercial vessels at the Miami (4,690 kg) and Fort Lauderdale (1,879 kg) POEs than at any other POE. A significant amount of cocaine (352 kg) also was seized from commercial vessels at the New Orleans POE in 2002 and 2003. Cocaine is seized from commercial vessels that transited the Caribbean corridor at other maritime POEs such as Galveston, Houston, Key West, Philadelphia, Savannah, Tampa, and particularly at POEs in New York and New Jersey. Cocaine seizures from commercial vessels at maritime POEs in New York and New Jersey totaled 615 kilograms in 2002 and 2003.
Cocaine is transported primarily by private and commercial vehicles through the Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and New Orleans POEs to cocaine Primary Market Areas in the eastern half of the country.
The infomation was found at:
http//www.usdoj/ndic/pubs11/12620/cocaine.html#Top
Allen K:
I’ll bet Oduber couldn’t wait for the F.B.I. to stop looking
at his island. It, surely, stopped most of the shipments
in and out of Aruba. Every sea going vessel was suspect.
No wonder he was sick of the Natalee Holloway case. On his
own, he made the decision to cover it over, becoming part
of the corruption. But, he never expected that the people
of the U.S. would take it upon themselves to see that there
was justice in Aruba.
When justice is served, in Aruba, there will be many that
will pay the price for the rape and murder of that child.
The all powerful Lions with their flesh tearing claws and
jaws of steel… how fitting that it took just one child
and strangers from afar to bring the walls of a corrupt
nation tumbling down.
Justice for Natalee
Boycott Aruba
patti, i think the f.b.i. was limited to observing and advising by aruban authorities. they were not allowed to investigate on their own, and i doubt that the few dutch experts were allowed a free hand either. we can all stand up and salute rudy croes and friends plus the defenses’ extraordinary success in getting judicial rulings to go their way to keep everyone as blind as possible to evidence and information.
dennisintn
The question surely isn’t whether drugs move from Aruba to the U.S. and elsewhere … the real question is, to what degree are the Aruban government and law enforcement agencies complicit in and profiting from the trade?
I’m sure they are zealous in giving the U.S. anti-drug forces information … on the shipments of their rivals.
All the more effective in helping them protect their own.
And remember, it’s been demonstrated … narcotics and human trafficking go hand in hand.
Come to think of it, maybe THAT’s why narcotics detective Dennis Jacobs (no relation to DennisIntl, I’m sure) was assigned initially to the Natalee Holloway case ….
Dennis in Tennessee:
Trust me… there were alot of eyes on Aruba. Some, even,
from private sources. Remember, the furniture truck?
Smiles…
Where is Mr. Pink and Posner? Does anybody have any info on him doing custom videos? Why did he shutdown in Aruba if he had no involvement with Natalee? Why did Anita say on TV her whole house had been searched and it wasn’t. Why did another judge stop ALE from searching Sloots house if there was nothing to hide? Why did so many die, cut up heads decapitated around the time Natalee went missing? Is it like that all the time on Aruba? Why has so many people drown in Aruba and one was in the hospital when they died of drowning? Were all the bodies recovered of all the drowning vitims? Was the Aruba fire a cover-up to get Natalee out of the hotel? Did anything ever happen to Steve Croes for Joran’s false alibi? You can bet Joran,Paulus,Posner, Mr. Pink and a few others could shed some light here on what happened to Natalee!
This is a travesty of justice to see Aruba blatantly cover-up. Anita describing Natalee’s underwear you are just as guilty as your son. How in the hell do you live with yourselves?
Why doesn’t the Department of State in the USA issue warnings about travel to Aruba with all this information on drug gangs and open selling of drugs?
#4 I think that would be Amsterdam and the #1 consumer of cocaine , heroin and weed. Check your stats.
#19 “Why doesn’t the (State Dept) issue (travel warnings to Aruba) with all the information on drug gangs and open selling of drugs?”
Answer: Because it would complicate life here in the USA. To issue a travel warning re Aruba (Drug gangs and open selling of drugs) would mean that the US Dept of State would have to issue a warning for our very own USA as there is open selling of drugs and drug gangs in NYC, Miami, LA, Chicago, ATL, and most cities of size within the USA. That would include Birmingham, Alabama the city adjacent to Mountain Brook.
BTW, Birmingham has the distinct pleasure of being the lone possessor of position #6 on the list of US cities with the HIGHEST PER CAPITA VIOLENT CRIME rate. By contrast, Aruba (if its entirety were a US city) wouldn’t even muster a ranking nor a mention on that list.
Food for thought
Maddy’s Son:
First of all, Aruba doesn’t even have the population to be considered a U.S. City. Second, they never admit to any crime. They only have drownings, suicides and natural deaths. So how can we possibly attain the figures to do a comparison.
Less than 100,000 people and all that drug trafficking!
There was a travel warning issued for teenagers during the up coming spring which specifically mentioned Aruba and the disappearance of Natalee Holloway:
http://www.wpxi.com/news/11137576/detail.html?rss=burg&psp=news
Boycott Aruba
Plain and simple: The State Department doesn’t want to rock the boat, especially given that we’re concerned about Venezuela. Indeed, I suspect that Aruba (like so many other people, countries, and “movements” around the world) is aware of our thinking and manipulates us for support.
The State Department won’t look beyond the statistics that Aruba gives, dishonest that they are. They’re too concerned about good bilateral relations, and the usual crap they spout, to stand up for our own people.
Look at the results.
Remember, everyone, the clocks move ahead an hour on Sunday morning. The government moved the usual date ahead for some reason, apparently; trust the government to intervene when it isn’t necessary. Maybe if it addressed Natalee’s case it could get results.
Have to go out of town this weekend; see you Sunday.
The following is well documented.
With the fall of Noriega, Panama is no longer the principal transshipment point to North America for drugs from South America. Where as Mexico is the main point of transportation and a good deal of production exports to the Middle and West of North America, Aruba is the chief transport site to the Eastern portion. Aruba has refused cooperation with international agencies and instead has made the repackaging of drugs a major production. There is an entire section of warehousing off limits for inspection, where it is well known that this activity takes place as well as no inspection at port.
Heroine and cocaine are produced in South America, then transported through Aruba. EX is openly manufactured in Amsterdam the transported through Aruba. It is vital to the drug trade for the tourists from the North East, including ship traffic, to keep going to Aruba as these idiots act as screens for the drug movement. Large amounts of herbal cannibis also moves through Aruba as was shown by the relatively small ship stopped by the US Coast Guard with more than 5000 lbs on board having picked it up in Aruba.
aruba reminds me of a mojor UPS hub. all the packages coming in to one location to be distributed to several different areas. an average Ups hub has about 24 miles of conveyer belts to handle all these packages.
i wonder how many miles it would take in aruba to handle all the drugs going in and out ?
Good point Super Dave…just like a ups hub.how pathetic.
Think about it … All the negative media attention in regards to Aruba … drugs, prostitution, money laundering, pornography … has come about as the result of a corrupt investigation that is denying an eighteen year old American citizen justice and … an amazing woman who refuses to be silenced until Aruba bows and reveals the truth that is being suppressed. Aruba is reaping what it has sowed!
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BOYCOTT ARUBA!!
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Beth Twitty
‘Scarborough Country’
October 24, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I have told Prime Minister Oduber that I will do this, I will be the voice of Natalee for the next 40 years. And I hope I have that long, because I will do it as long as I can … I said, you do not want to turn me loose from this island without an answer.
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Beth Twitty
‘Scarborough Country’
October 21, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never-they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.
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Dave Holloway
On the Record w/ Greta
April 11, 206
VAN SUSTEREN: Did the media help or hurt you?
HOLLOWAY: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn’t been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day … I truly believe that.
If they don’t charge people with drug trafficking, then there’s no crime. That’s how Aruba keeps it’s crime statistics to a level that they claim is “safe”. If one of their own is involved, directly or by closing their eyes and putting their palm out, it does not get prosecuted. Like the Natalee Holloway case, involving Paulus and Joran van der Sloot where evidence disappeared just as surely as Natalee disappeared.
If you call it a suicide instead of a murder, there’s no crime. If you call it a heart attack instead of a murder, you have no crime. If you say “she just sort of vanished” instead of putting the evidence in front of a judge who is NOT friends of the suspect’s family, you don’t have a crime.
How did Joran van der Sloot get his drinking and gambling money? Paulus and Anita claimed they didn’t even know he was gambling for money or going to bars, so it wasn’t from them. Who was Joran working for in Aruba?
28. LilPuma – “Who was Joran working for in Aruba?”
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The casinos?
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005
To your question as to what is the purpose of going out, I can say the following. The purpose of going out to the casino is making money …
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005
I had arrived there at approximately 00;00 hours. At some point there was an altercation between a tourist and Joran. The tourist was of the opinion that we were helping Joran. We said to Joran that it was better if we would leave. We then left.
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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005
At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran’s table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down.
20,
use the google
I know you would love to think that anything and everything Dutch or Dutch influenced, is evil and all thats wrong with the world, but look at all the crank and meth labs they raid every week in the midwest.Americans LOVE to get high and they always will.Maybe we should change our ways i they are not working?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_the_Netherlands
#5 Maggie – Right on.
The differences betwixt the arrests
were like night and day.
SECURITY GUARDS ARREST – The two black security guards’
homes were raided in the early morning hours. The cops
kicked in the door & yanked them out of bed.
Joran Van der Sloot – They waited 9 days, then they
picked him up at his home at a reasonable hour. Also,
because he such a GI-NORMOUS flaming wuss-ket, they put a towel over his head like the RUNAWAY BRIDE. They didn’t want
the old meanie camera bogey men getting any pictures.
Well, Boo Frickety Hoo!
BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE! It gets better.
Paulus “of of the CRACK” –
This numbnuts was allowed
to drive HIMSELF to the police
station to be arrested!!!
Nobody kicked the Van der Sloots door in.
WHAT IS MOST TELLING ABOUT HOW THEY WERE TREATED DIFFERENTLY…
Looking back on those events in the rearview mirror.
They had absolutely ZERO evidence to prove that the security guards had done ANYTHING wrong & were involved.
Yet the security guards are still
suspects until this very day?
(even as I write this post)
How could that be possible?
They had more circumstantial evidence on Paulus…
Yet they let that complete failure and waste of skin
walk free with a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD from Carin
Jaansen. (MD is right – they need to void that letter – Paulus is a con-artist – Carin had no business writing
that letter. She is just as much of a criminal to be
writing that letter for him. That was wrong!)
IF ANYBODY SHOULD BE PAID, AND GET A LETTER OF APOLOGY
from the Prosecutor it should be the two security guards.
… and hey security guards, hear me NOW and believe me
LATE-UH… a large part of why you guys are free today
can be traced back directly back to a one Mrs. Beth Holloway
Twitty. If she hadn’t made it to that sh-hole of an island
as fast as she did, the security guards would be going to
the BIG HOUSE for 15 each.
They were going to be sacrificial lambs. They were VAN DER RAPIST bait!
Father Sloot’s rabid, demented, wolf hound from Hades had killed once more, and daddy was doing what he always does… lying his johnson off, and
trying to buy his son a clear pathway
out of the deep dark woods of trouble.
It ain’t gonna work this time Paulus.
This time he did it to a HUMAN, not an animal.
Do not pass “Go”, Do not collect $200.
Game over.
Paul, You’ve Been Punk’d $itch!
Enjoy the rest of your
broadcast day. -J4N
http://tinyurl.com/324393
#30
“I know you would love to think that anything and everything Dutch or Dutch influenced, is evil and all thats wrong with the world”
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Not true.
Whether Joran be Dutch, Italian, or Mexican… nationality
does not matter. A liar is a liar in any country, they just
lie in a different language.
what he did was wrong on too many different levels
for anybody to ignore. I might be able to understand
him lying to his father just once. BUT IT WASN’T
JUST ONE LIE – LIKE HE CLAIMED.
With him LIES grow like rolling snowballs.
He lies over and over and over. At the very least 22 times
with 4 *MAJOR* story changes. (as in 4 completely different stories!!!)
If someone could lie that many times during a serious
murder investigation… it is not really much of a stretch
to think he didn’t have something to do with it. Joran
is the one that keeps digging his own grave. He is his
own worst enemy. In the morning when he is brushing his teeth, he should look very carefully in the vanity mirror. The face that is staring back at him, that is the face he should be worried about most.
This case never should have ever been about Aruba vs America / Dutch vs. America.
It should have been about someone who was last seen
with a young woman that has never been found. This
case should be about getting to the bottom of
things & finding out why JORAN THE RAPIST still feels the need to lie again and again if he is INNOCENT like he claims to be.
***
Even if we can’t seem to all agree on the fact he is
Natalee’s murderer… we should at least be able to
agree on the fact that he lies like a well oiled machine.
How would you feel if it was your relative
that was never seen again after being with him?
How would you feel if every story he fed you turned
out to be another lie?
Here’s how Joran would feel. (in his own words)
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3/2006 FOXNEWS GRETA
Joran:
I mean, if I were in their position and there was some kid that was with someone I loved last, I mean, and all this happened, he lied to the police, you name it, I mean, I’d be… I’d be pissed. I’d be… I’d probably go to that kid, and you know, I’m someone that I’d probably beat him up until he tells me everything he knows.
——————-
I agree. Keep it on an effin swivel Joran!
-J4N
30. Simeon
You are correct. However, Natalee Holloway went missing in Aruba and, therefore, Aruba is the focus … not the United States. Simeon, if there was a perception in the Netherlands that in small town America there was a coverup in an investigation regarding the disappearance of a Dutch citizen … a coverup that was protecting its own … a coverup that was denying the victim justice … you better believe that the Dutch people and the victim’s family are going to be demanding answers. Logic dictates … as in the Natalee Holloway case … all underlying motives are going to be suspect … whether it is conflicts of interest in regards to personal/working relationships or corruption involving drugs, prostitution, money laundering, gambling, pornography ….
30. Simeon
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Simeon, when you read the following words of Beth Twitty … do you not feel in your heart the utter frustration the mother of Natalee Holloway is experiencing when she is recounting the initial actions of those in charge of the investigation into the disappearance of her beloved daughter.
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Beth Twitty
‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct’
December 5, 2005
TWITTY: … Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie’s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.
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And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 — at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.
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TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew-and we have to keep reminding everyone-after 72 hours — 72 hours-we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn’t, at this point? You know, we-and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.
Just an FYI to those attending the NY and Boston Travel Shows. This months USAir Magazine did a travel piece on
Aruba highlighting the beautiful safe beaches, updated hotels, restaurants and casinos. They played the ‘safe tourism card’ to the hilt and gave one brief mention of an ‘isolated unfortunate event’ that made the headlines. It was absolutely appalling to see USAir publish an article that portrays the disappearance of Natalee as an ‘isolated unfortunate event’.
JORAN / NOVA Interview 2/2006
Reporter: The second most often asked question probably is: Why did you lie during police interrogation ?
Joran van der Sloot: Well, eh… I eh… and my friends have decided to do this when we heard that the girl’s family was at our home. It shocked us. I mean, I left the girl there and you never know what could have happened to her, we were scared, we thought she could show up in a couple of days or WOULD show up we were eh ah eh we were scared and we thought it would all end well.
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The above paragraph makes little sense.
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Notice the correction from could to WOULD.
*
Joran says-
I left her on the beach & you never know what
could have to her. BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD
END WELL?”
If they truly thought it would
end well…
Why lie & make up a story?
EVEN MORE INTERESTING- If the story that he tells us is true, what payoff does Deepak have for lying? D went home after dropping them off at the beach. His hands are clean, if
he is telling the truth. YET Deepak LIES FOR JORAN…
WHY?
There is no ostensible reason for D to lie for Joran…
Joran can omly bring him down.
BUT HE LIES – Again why? NO PAY OFF, NO CRIME? It
sure isn’t Deepak lying for J from the goodness
of his own heart. Dig deeper.
Some pieces of the puzzle are missing – There
is more to it, you can bet on it.
J says me and my friends decided to lie.
Supposedly, they craft the HOLIDAY INN lie in the car going
home to talk to cops. (just Joran and Dirtpack Kalpoe)
…but he uses the word FRIEND(S)… plural.
At this point in time
only Deepak & Joran
know the Holiday
Inn story (lie)…
‘MY FRIENDS’ (more than one)
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*Another tip off that he’s lying – he stammers a lot
when covering uncomfortable subject matter.
Well, eh, I eh,
eh, we were eh, ah eh we were scared
He is eh, he is ehhh, what I’m trying to
say is ummmmmm, Joran is FOS -J4N
SKEETERS TAPES
Jamie Skeeters: Well, she had to have been havin’ sex with him, she had been with him three nights in a row or two nights, three nights in a row.
Deepak Kalpoe: That’s.. that’s what they told me,
but um, it’s not true.
Jamie Skeeters: That’s not true either?
Deepak Kalpoe: That’s what I mean,
we know much more.
Deepak Kalpoe: I was looking for
one (lawsuit) to start… see, if I
can start lawsuits on this, on the
networks. (unintelligible)
Deepak Kalpoe: Because, when we
were cooking up the Holiday Inn story… You
know, there was a Holiday Inn story before… before the beach. Van der Sloot told… I told. I asked Van der Sloot, himself, “What if they give us a polygraph test,” and he said, “I’ll pass it,” …about the Holiday Inn story. “There’s no way in hell they can beat….”
#35 – Ellen, you’re right about disgusting. For the Gov’t of Aruba to call this an “isolated unfortunate event” is very disgusting. Basically then what they are saying is just because one young American toutist girl was kidnapped, raped and murdered, and the fact that we know who did it and we’re not going to do anything about it, please don’t hold that against us.
We’ve learned from our mistake and we won’t let this happen to another young beautiful bright young American tourist girl. We shouldn’t be held accountable just because we don’t see the same value in this girl that you Americans do.
Cruise passengers slighty up in 06:
http://www.plenglish.com/Article.asp?ID=%7B849CEC99-DD38-4D43-A5EB-5079A5619726%7D&language=EN
By the way….
Is this Joran? http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/11208/a99755e0/index.html
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SM: Sure looks like Joran to me. That is at Pand48 right? (klaasend)
Carpe,
Maybe, just maybe he could pass the test. That doesn’t mean he is telling the truth. http://www.wikihow.com/Cheat-a-Polygraph-Test-(Lie-Detector)
As long as this website exists, and Natalee is remembered, Aruba will be scrutinized for all of it’s existance. It’s not the “paradise” they would like to be known as.
Carpe,
Sorry for the dead-end article. It was a full article, maybe a month ago. I don’t know what happen.
Basically, it talked about getting an emotional response from the base-line questions.
Jerry
The NMRA racing season has begun this weekend in Bradenton, Florida and once again the million dollar car from Aruba is allowed to participate. In fact, the owner is looked at favorably by the organization – he probably contributed big $$$$ to be seen in a favorable light. The web site is: nmraracing.com
Was the furniture truck and men handling the furniture actually Dutch detectives? I really wonder what evidence the Dutch actually have and kept out of ALE hands?
@SM/klaasend-remark March 10, 2007, 5:23 am
Yes, Pand48 is a cocktail- /tapas-bar in Groningen, a “student”-city. Don’t know why he shows up there. Maybe he gets to much attention in Arnhem where he’s supposed to go to university. Or even better maybe, he’s left alone by others there? …
These pictures are placed in the dump-/archive-site of the “mother-site” http://www.geenstijl.nl. That is the most popular – hard satirical – site in the netherlands these days.
So the topic is still alive in Holland.
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SM: Thanks for bringing the link here. Didn’t PVDS just say in his last interview that Anita was in the NL taking care of poor Joran because he had mononucleosis? If you find any other photo links to the bars in the Gronigen area please post them. I’ve been looking in Arnhem with no luck, now I see why!
(klaasend)
@SM/klaasend-remark March 10, 2007, 12:08 pm
Note that the pictures are from the 25th of january!
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SM: Yes, I saw that. The interview PVDS gave was published after he lost his case in Aruba. The interview was done prior to his losing the case though (but we don’t know exactly when). (klaasend)
Janet – # 28 (I think) – I posted that on the current LCD. Someone was asking what was the casino “tourist incident.” Just so you know.
@SM/klaasend-remark March 10, 2007, 12:18 pm
Did you see the reaction somebody placed: “Tja, snap niet dat ie in Pand48 zat, in de Rumba komen veel meer arubaantjes.” (“Don’t understand why he was in the Pand48, there are more arubans in the Rumba.”) Maybe there are more pictures there? (Well… Just maybe. Maybe he doesn’t dear to show his face to other arubans…)
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SM:
Yes, I saw the comments. I haven’t found photos at the Rumba site with Joran yet. Rumba seems to be more of a dance place and I don’t think Joran is much of a dancer 
(klaasend)
#49-Thank you Robert..its a wonder that he goes anywhere. and then drinks…bad move URINE..bad move.
First of All Aruba doesnt have the recources to patrol around the island 24 hours a day.
Second of all the island doesnt produce these drugs and the fact that Aruba IS capturing these drugs means that these drugs aint gonna end up in the streets of the US where the DRUGADDICTS are !
So instead of complaining, act first in your own backyard and clean up your mess… If I would share your own ignorant opinion, I could sAY THAT the us-government also actively participate in the drug trade in order too keep its own people stupid…
Welcome Back Robert!
We missed you….
48. msmarple
.
What is the “LCD”? LOL
.
mismarple, I was referring to the tourist incidence at the casino in my response(29) to LilPuma’s query(28) as to who Joran may have been working for. As I do not have a clue in regards to “LCD” I was unable to refer her/him to “LCD”.
Kammie:
I think if you, actually, did the research you would find that the U.S. does more than its’ fair share of busting the drug rings. The point is:
What has Aruba, the island that is famous for keeping its’ head buried in the sand, drunk with the notion that it is the “happy” island, done lately?
Most people had not even heard of Aruba before the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Since then, the island of Aruba has been exposed as the island that, in a real sense, is held captive by its’ own government. The people of Aruba would rather beat on their drums, drink their wine and dance the jig than to see the truth.
Don’t you find it odd that all the people involved in the disappearance and the cover-up that followed are of Dutch descent, powerful men, and their sons? What do the Dutch have on the island of Aruba that would make them stand in support of the very ones that oppress them? What does it take to make your people really happy, a few music festivals here and there, a few magical carnivals… is that what makes you happy?
What about justice?
Hey Jerry,
Joran would never pass a lie detector test,
if administered by a professional.
(By PROFESSIONAL I mean,
someone who is not from Aruba.)
It is interesting that he thinks he can though!
The employees from Frank’s Bank Incorporated
were absolutely right on the money with their
assessment of his profile. He does fancy himself
bulletproof, and he doesn’t like to hear the
word NO. He will charm you until it is time
to dispose of you, and then his true colors
come shining through. Like a petulant kid,
he’ll scream and shout and let nothing stand
in his way.
He will absolutely rape & murder again, when he gets
settled back into his zone of comfort.
Unless somebody locks him up or assassinates
him first, of course. I am pretty confident
that one way or another he will be dealt with.
…and that’ll be a good thing. It’s long overdue.
-J4N
http://tinyurl.com/2jv8l7
The military should go over to Aruba and use it for target practice. That place is loaded full of corrupt people and they do not like Americans obviously. If drugs is such a problem there, then we should take it over and use it as a base to watch the drug traffickers. That way we would be alot closer to killing them, and finding out where they came from and kill them too. Well, maybe just using the island for target practice for the Navy would just be a better idea. Then that way NO ONE would be able to use that place. And to the 3 kids that got away with it. Go to the states and walk down one of notorious streets here in DC. You’ll never make it home alive you bastards. You can speak your freaking stupid language asking for help like Nat did. You all should die. And your stupid folks can all die too. Thanks for your attention.
Janet – I’m sorry. LCD – Lively Case Discussion. It’s the ongoing discussion about the Holloway case, in the Forum.
Each “thread” of the LCD runs about 50 pages, then a new one opens. The one I posted your comment on is no longer the current one; I posted it on the previous one.
58. MsMarple
LOL.
MsMarple … the light did shine immediately after I submitted my post. I had never heard the discussion thread on SM Forum referred to as LCD before.
Kimberly’s talking about Natalee on The Line Up in a few minutes! I read above Robert mentioning people’s reactions to Jipshit, what were the reactions please?
Kimberly’s talking about another unsolved case where the woman was found dead wrapped in plastic and her face could be seen through it.
Also little Jessica Lunsford when dug up out of the hole Couey placed her in 2 plastic bags and still her face could be seen thru the plastic. Lil Jesse was found in a sitting/squatting position when found.
Kimberly said Natalee is still in our hearts and minds, lets shoot off an email thanking her.
@mayan_moons March 11, 2007, 1:07 am
Reactions to the pictures. First take notice… The “mother”-site http://www.geenstijl.nl is normaly very hard-satirical and cynic.
The comments do vary a bit: Oh / Don’t get it / Gosh ….
Or they’re making fun of the arrow in the second picture that points to the other guys pants: does that dude have a …. / no I think it’s joran hiding in there / Are you gay, looking at other guys’ …. . One says: Well, cool pictures… But that’s not Joran! (Guess that’s Joran saying that. …) One says: leave him alone…he’s just pathetic. Some use the sites slang and say: “Ga es deaud” = Go ‘n Die (to Joran). Another one: I thought this “tearer” (again slang) from young girls studied in Wageningen… Go Back There!
And finaly I put a comment there as well (I guess Joran reads this website as well as most Dutch students do…): Oh. There we have the pathetic little murderer Joran… Watch out Joran, that you don’t say anything wrong… They’re at your heels now!!! Daddy has lost his first trial, hasn’t he? Does he have to give the loot back now? Time is no longer on you side now is it? I know that before the year is over you’ll be in jail for a very, very, very long time!!! Hope they’ll teach you a lesson there!!!
Excuse me for the style- and grammatical mistakes in the previous comment…
Most annoying: “I thought this “tearer” from young girls…”, should of course be: “I thought this “tearer” of young girls…”
(I translated the dutch slang-word “stuktrekker” literally as “tearer”; it means something like assaulter/abuser/rapist.)
Thank You Robert!
I appreciate you’re response….you are very kind to explain what was being said, did Joran respond at all?
How does that guy laugh and act like Natalee was nothing more than a bug he stepped on? All life is precious but not on Aruba…..not to Jipshit & his father.
I was looking at some pics of him when he was younger, before he was a lush passing out drunk with a flushed face that only old men who’d been drinking for 30 years have and i wonder what the hell happened to make him such a cold blooded.
unfeeling….uncaring sac of $hit.
Look no futher than his father Paulus Van Der Sloot.
#mayan_moons March 11, 2007, 3:03 pm/3.33 pm
No, Joran didn’t respond yet.
Well, there could be many reasons why he derailed this heavy…
Maybe he’s just terribly spoiled and was given to much freedom while at the same time has not taken the risks and the limits very seriously. Maybe he has come in contact with the wrong people, drank to much and took to many drugs (f.i. cocaine)…
But propably he just snapped or simply is a psychopath…
He sure does look PALE in
those Pand48 shots!
Hey, Casper…
Eat a friggin greenbean,
you jackass!
Ya look like you died last week…
but Mr. Reaper forgot to forward you
on THE MEMO. – putz.
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE
BOYCOTT ARUBA!
http://tinyurl.com/2jpzj5
I think it could be a combination of all you said Robert, especially that he is a psychopath. With the way Paulus raised his son and has handled this nightmare for Natalee & her family makes him one too.
Hey Carpe!
Jipshit does look like a whiter shsde of pale there in those pics.
shade rather…..jeebus this keyboard is sticky!
I was reading in the forum archive & someone said….
“when you think aruba…you think Natalee”. That really struck a chord with me & i’m sure many many others too.
I have been emailing www. coolaruba.com ,,,its a aruban radio station,my emails consist of messages that we want forget Natalee Holloway.Lets email every place in aruba thats possible to email,,,lets start a NEW NATALEE HOLLOWAY SURGE.
Seeing Jipshit in that bar with all those young girls is so troubling, we’ve seen how he handles rejection with Natalee. Anita & Paulus did him no favours not teaching Jurine how to deal with life’s disappointments and i can’t help wonder about the 2 younger boys. I wish someone could tell us what they are like, are they like Joran or becoming like him. Or do they resent what their brother & father has brought on them…their family? As far as we know they haven’t done anything wrong except have the unfortunate luck to be related to Paul/ASS & Jip.
Sounds good to me ben!
*emailing as we post*
Let Joran have his fun…has to. Who knows, if Aruba is as lame as it is then…no worries…but..if they do have something to put his ass in the cooler…then….see ya in a few years big boy…hope you like your room mate…im sure they will like you, plus when you get out…you’ll have some new stuff to teach Guido…hmmm…maybe not.
I’m so happy that Jipwad is seen for what he truely is in Holland, telling to go die and sounds like they don’t want his arse arround the area’s young girls!
Jurine deserves it more than anyone i can think of at this time. Sure….i want him to suffer….to feel like the pos he’s shown himself to be but even more i want ALL young girls in America, Holland, Everywhere to be warned about him. I hope he Never has the chance to do what he did to Natalee to another girl.
The disappearance of Natalee Holloway is a terrible and tragic act, but to classify all the Aurban people in the same class for which a few committed a bad act is ridiculous. That would be like classifying all Americans in the same class as the ones that committed the Oklahoma
city bombings, Waco Texas incident, or the DC sniper shootings. We are not all alike. There are good and bad people in every county. I have travelled to Aruba 3 times and have always been treated kind and respectful by the Aruban people. The negative things that I read is not true. When I read about the things like corruption, drug dealers, sexual predators – are you describing Aruba or are you describing hometown America? Don’t set a standard for other countries in which Americans could nor would be able to meet in this country. We let our kids drink under age in this country, we let them do drugs, and stay out all night – What do you expect? Not all bad things that happen to us is someone else’s fault even though it is easier to blame someone else. We have to accept a certain amount of personal responsibility for our actions and things that happen. I hope that the Aruban people find out what happened in this case because it has been a black eye for the island. There are hundreds of people that become missing in this country everyday, which the cases are not solved. If this tragic act would have happened here in the U.S., who would you blame?
#8l, “if this tragic act would have happened here in the u.s., who would you blame?”
we would not have blamed the victim or her family who wasn’t even on the island, or the media who saw through their lies from day 2, or the f.b.i. or condoleeza rice or the white house. that’s what aruba did and is continuing to do through their news media, their tourism arms, and some a.l.e. former officials.
there is crime and sexual predators everywhere, only on aruba are they protected and the victims blamed for the crimes committed against them. aruba can claim that distinction alone.
dennisintn
How much does an 8 ball of coke sell for in Aruba? It would be nice to get one or two while there.
Where is the best place to make coke purchases?