Aruban Public Prosecution (OM) decides this week on Prosecution of minister, Ramon Lee (MEP) for Sexual Intimidation


Aruba’s image is taking another hit. Nice example being set by those at the top. If its good for the ministers, why not the people? Reminds us of another politician who behaved badly. Will Aruba investigate or cover it up … we wait again to see if they do the right thing.


Moral Corruption Starts At The Top

Amigoe; February 1, 2007: OM decides this week on prosecution of minister 

ORANJESTAD – The Public Prosecution (OM) will decide this week whether minister Ramon Lee (MEP) will be prosecuted for sexual intimidation.  The National Detectives are done with the investigation and the OM is deliberating about a press release on the results of the investigation. 

The OM has been promising for some weeks already that they would make the results public, but hadn’t done it yet.  According to public prosecutor Dop Kruimel, the results will be announced this week in a press release.  Lawyer Biaz of the alleged victim indicated last week that he had a conversation with the OM that told him that he will hear in two weeks whether the OM will prosecute.  “That the OM will announce this week what it is going to do with the results of the investigation, is new to me.  I hope that we will be informed nicely and that we do not have to hear it from the media.” 

If by any chance the OM decides not to prosecute the minister, Biaz will then consider appealing and so force the OM to take Lee before the judge.  “I’m just considering it now, because I have not received any information on the investigation.  I can only decide on the appeal when I have all the documents in my hands. Besides, it is absurd that I still have not seen any documents since the investigation has started in November.”


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    99 Responses to “Aruban Public Prosecution (OM) decides this week on Prosecution of minister, Ramon Lee (MEP) for Sexual Intimidation”

    1. Miss-Underestimated on February 1st, 2007 12:32 pm

      Dejavou…where did we here this before?

    2. Richard on February 1st, 2007 1:22 pm

      Hmmm … I wonder if Karin Janssen expressed eagerness to hang around in Aruba and see to this case? Don’t think so.

      Don’t think she did in “the other” case either, though she intimated as much to JQK. Quite in the Aruban way to tell someone what you think he wants to hear ….

      Anyway, we’ll see what comes of this. I find it interesting that they “may” issue a press release. Should there be any question about it, one way or another?

      Now, if they do go after this guy … and then, apparently, the hearing on PvdScum damages is next week … MAYBE, just MAYBE, Aruba is signaling a change in course.

      I’ll believe it when I see it. Don’t relax for a second on the boycott campaign.

    3. Big Lou on February 1st, 2007 1:41 pm

      What a JOKE! Aruba doesn’t have a prayer to survive!

    4. Richard on February 1st, 2007 1:56 pm

      I’ve been thinking about that three-way conversation among JvdScum and the Kalpoes in the back of the police car. It’s been said that the senior van der Scum, owing to his legal work, knew or at least suspected that the car was “bugged,” and so cautioned his son.

      Joran, in turn, may have tried to steer the talk in a certain way to try to elicit incriminating statements from the Kalpoes.

      But amidst the threats and counter-threats, two things stand out in my mind: Deepak’s remark about “When they find all the sh*t on the girl” and Joran’s statement that “I’ll laugh if they find the girl alive.”

      It has always seemed to me that if you look at what Joran says, he believes, or knows, that it IS POSSIBLE that Natalee could have been found alive. He doesn’t think it likely, or he doesn’t think that they will find her, but it’s possible.

      Given that, what are we to get from Deepak’s comment? Well, he seems to know that something is “on” her, which indicates that he was involved or was a bystander.

      What is this something? Semen? Needle marks from forced injections? The marks of being hit? Bruises from rocks? Some kind of plastic wrapping? Seaweed? Sand?

      Call me crazy if you want, and it really is far-fetched, BUT … I’m just wondering if they could have drugged/chloroformed her in the car (remember that chloroform is found in cleaning fluid, at least some kinds), and then left Natalee bound and gagged, and drugged, somewhere for someone to pick up as instructed.

      So duct tape, rope, and such stuff could have been what he was referring to.

      Again, I know this sounds highly unlikely. But Joran’s comment, unless it’s meant to mislead, does intimate to me that he knows that Natalee was (or probably was) still alive when they left her.

    5. Carpe Noctem on February 1st, 2007 2:02 pm

      ABC PRIMTIME 2/2006
      with Chris Cuomo
      w/my footnotes

      Interviewer: When you heard that a girl had gone missing on the beach, what did you think?

      Joran van der Sloot: Well, the first thing that popped into my head was (censored). What if something happened to her? What if she went swimming? I was thinking after everything she told me, she *probably might* have gone back to her hotel, hooked up with – gone to someone else, hooked up with someone else, and wanted to stay another day on the island.

      *PROBABLY MIGHT? cut us a break Joran. This last bowl of mush that just fell out of his mouth — all lies.

      The first thing that pops in to his head? They had to show him a picture because he hadn’t a clue as to whom they were talking about!!!

      He claims she PROBABLY MIGHT have hooked up with somebody else?

      What in Joran’s stories did he tell us that would lead us to believe that she left to find somebody else? ZILCH. Joran the rapist tells us that she is totally in to him, even screaming at him to force him to dance
      and to be with her. ROFL What on Earth would lead you to believe she’s going off to find someone else “to hook up with?” Joran is laughable. His pathetic attempts at lying are a large part of why he is in the position he finds himself in today. He’s earned every bit of it.
      More actually!

      *NOTICE- At every turn Joran The Aruban Rapist places Natalee in or near the water!

      Satish says to ALE that Joran tells him that he left her
      within 1 meter of the water. Satish said I knew he was lying
      because he really couldn’t look me in the eye, and
      when he did, his eyes were opened bigger than normal.

      This tells me some more things
      about what may have happened to Natalee.

      #1. She has a serious head wound, this is most
      likely what brought about her demise.

      #2. At every turn Joran is thinking about disposal at sea.
      It seems to me, he’s trying to make it look like
      a drowning. Maybe something along these lines has worked
      for him before, so it seemed like a good idea?

      #3 With the headwound, the drowning would be tossed out
      immediately upon inspection of the body. This is a B-I-G
      reason as to why Aruba and the VanderRapists have played
      keep away with Natalee’s body.
      That plus the drugs that her drink was possibly
      spiked with would be detected in her system. Also,
      they possibly would
      seminal fluid on her from the Aruban rapist gangsta
      wanna-be brute-wimps, and maybe even dear old dad?
      Hey Joran, this year for father’s day get your
      vat of pig slop for a dad a TIE. It’ll be
      a lot easier on ya, and it’s a cinch to rap.
      You’re a pig Joran.

      I propose a toast, everybody raise their drinks!

      “Here’s to Joran, his dad, and the Dirtpack & Chemise going to prison.” -J4N

    6. Miss-Underestimated on February 1st, 2007 2:20 pm

      I don’t know but, if Natalee is alive I think that 1MIL would be gone and we would have Natalee. What is more important that money? FREEDOM from prosecution… This leads me to believe that the suspects, the daddy’s, mama’s, the buddies of the suspects have full knowledge of Natalee’s demise and some of the above more than the suspects are involved. For the 1M, if Deepickle and Satsissy, weren’t involved …they would have turned on Jorgan, faster than a hooker on 26th. Streethearing the toot of a horn.

      My logic may no be what you all think but,,,money is driving the two klaphoe bros now, why not the reward money?

      Too many hands in the pot.

    7. Miss-Underestimated on February 1st, 2007 2:30 pm

      I raise my glass.


    8. Carpe Noctem on February 1st, 2007 3:20 pm

      Here here, Miss-U! (clink)

      WHAT IF…

      5/30/2005 In the evening:

      He dug her up from the Fisherman Huts

      along with the shoes that he used as digging tools

      and a grave marker…

      and took her body & his sneakers back to the scene of the

      rape on the rocks. The same rocks she hit her head on in

      trying to fend off his rape attack.

      He transported her

      in something that looked like this. (see pics)

      He did this when he was supposed to be taking

      tennis lessons with Guido. Which of course, he

      did not attend. Oh, he showed his face at the RC alright…

      for a few minutes, however he had work to do…

      he didn’t stay long.



    9. dennisintn on February 1st, 2007 3:33 pm

      carpe, i’ll become a two fisted drinking for that toast.

    10. dennisintn on February 1st, 2007 3:37 pm

      #4 don’t forget jvds’ threat about telling about “satish hitting that girl with the car” and the veiled talk about automotive enterprises. there were a lot of heavily coded things said in that conversation in addition to a lot of “you’re responsible not me” stuff going on there.

    11. Carpe Noctem on February 1st, 2007 3:55 pm

      One more thing-

      Have you ever noticed with criminals,
      and even poorly behaved
      children & adults…

      The party that is the most guilty,
      tries hardest to bring those
      around them down with the
      “sinking ship?”

      Joran at every turn has consistently
      tried to “slime” the Kalpoes.

      I can highlight
      certain points in ALE statements & each television
      interview where he tosses out subtleties
      that would make the Kalpoes look like
      they did it.

      That’s a major red flag! GUILTY BEHAVIOR.

      That’s usually what a
      person does when they
      have the MOST to hide.

      I believe the proper street term for it is…

      “Throwin’ yo punk ass under a bus!”


      With friends like Joran,
      who needs an effin enemy? -J4N



    12. mayan_moons on February 1st, 2007 4:32 pm

      Raising a glass and a whole lotta Hell with Miss-U,Carpe & all you monkeys!

      LOL Miss-U First Deepshat and now Deepickle & Satsissy!!!

      Miss-U wears todays crown!

    13. nychic on February 1st, 2007 4:33 pm

      Thanks Carpe -
      Happy Hour Just Started Early Here !

      Here Is To The Very Painful Torture
      I Hope Is Soon Inflicted Upon:
      Jack-Off-Jipshit / DickHead-DPak / ShitHead/Shitish
      and of course: Sweaty Old Man Slimy-Sloot

    14. mayan_moons on February 1st, 2007 4:52 pm

      What nychic said & get it on video!~

    15. dennisintn on February 1st, 2007 4:55 pm

      if they keep this up, they can start having their cabinet meetings in kia. quite appropriately too, i might add.

    16. mayan_moons on February 1st, 2007 5:02 pm

      hahaha dennisintin

      But isn’t Kia where all the pimples got to bring their blanky’s & laptops

    17. mamagee on February 1st, 2007 5:17 pm

      The tourism department is hard at work. I just received a travel invitation in the mail with the words “find yourself in Aruba” on the front of the Westin envelope.

      I crossed out “yourself” wrote “Natalee” above it, put it in another envelope and mailed it back to the Westin.

      Maybe if enough people do this, the hotel owners/employees will start pressuring to get this case solved.

    18. nychic on February 1st, 2007 5:17 pm

      mayan -

      Do You Have Any Idea What I Would Pay To See That Video ???

    19. Carpe Noctem on February 1st, 2007 5:36 pm

      Show me what you use to dial a phone!

      Exhibit A:

    20. mayan_moons on February 1st, 2007 5:39 pm

      A pretty penny i’m sure nychic but soon it’ll be priceless!

    21. yoyo muffintop on February 1st, 2007 6:01 pm

      Anybody read Lee Broughton’s, one of Natalee’s best friends, FBI 302 yet? Very interesting.
      Drunk – yes, drugged – highly doubtful.


      SM:   How the hell do you know if she was drugged or not?   Where you there?   Quit with the BS it’s getting old.  (klaasend)

    22. mayan_moons on February 1st, 2007 6:12 pm


      Pfft…..sounds like some gameshow where all the losers recieve parting gifts of Hefty bags & a perp walk out the backdoor.

    23. mayan_moons on February 1st, 2007 6:21 pm

      Hey mamagee!

      That is a great idea, thank you for sharing that with us!

      Find Yourself In Aruba??

    24. nychic on February 1st, 2007 6:42 pm

      yoyo -

      Don’t Bother Posting It – I’ve Seen It – Big Deal !

      You Never Answered Me ?

      Do You Honestly Thing The Holiday Inn Was Serving
      Anything But Rot Gut Rum In Those All-Inclusive Drinks ?

      Can You Say That A Young Healthy Girl Goes From Dancing
      To Slumped Over In A Car From “1 Shot of Rum” ??

      Natalee Did Not Buy Any Drinks At CnC’s – That Has
      Been Documented Also By Her Friends ? Where Is That
      FBI 302 ?? I Suppose Taco Did Not Include That One !

    25. yoyo muffintop on February 1st, 2007 6:43 pm

      klassend – are not the reasons most think Natalee was drugged:
      1. would not have gone in the car
      2. statements of Natalee going in/out of consciousness

      Doesn’t Lee’s 302 shed light on the fact that more than likely she was drunk that night rather than drugged? Still doesn’t mean anything should have happened to her. Not quite sure how that is bs.


      SM:   YoYo – how do you know she wasn’t drugged?   You are implying that because she was drinking and may have been drunk that means she wasn’t drugged.   One doesn’t have anything to do with the other.   (klaasend)

    26. mayan_moons on February 1st, 2007 6:44 pm

      Well thats going to boomerrang & come back to kick Aruba in the head. Smacks of being smartass, a dig for everyone that cares about Natalee.

    27. nychic on February 1st, 2007 6:48 pm

      Was The Holiday Inn Bartender Ever Questioned ?

      Yeah – I Guess He Was “Transferred” Like All The
      Other Employees Who Might Reveal Something !

      Has Anyone Ever Verified WTF A Red Fire Is ?
      Maybe Taco Should Complete His Research For
      Once In His Life -

    28. Carpe Noctem on February 1st, 2007 7:11 pm

      Hey Joe Yo,

      I just got done reading Lee’s 302.


      1. It means nothing that it didn’t mention drugs.
      Hell, Natalee didn’t even know she was drugged
      by your vicious date raping client JVDS. How
      do you think Lee would freakin’ know it?

      2. It actually works against you to bring that up!
      From what Lee describes, it sounds like Joran
      is stalking Natalee… seems like Natalee
      was avoiding your loveable little murdering
      “toxic wastedump” of a client. -J4N

    29. dennisintn on February 1st, 2007 7:20 pm

      #24, the only 302′s taco mailed out in his playbooks were ones that could be easily skewed. you’ll notice all his players have to stay pretty close to the same themes.

    30. yoyo muffintop on February 1st, 2007 7:21 pm

      nychic – read the 302 and then you’ll know what they are calling red fires. No need to research, it’s in multiple 302′s. And yes, I believe they were served 151 – extremely cheap in the caribbean.


      SM:   I’ve read many a trip report from the Holiday Inn in Aruba where people were complaining about the watered down drinks.   So, she may have been drinking coke and 151 but how watered down was it? (klaasend)

    31. nychic on February 1st, 2007 7:42 pm

      yoyo -

      As I Stated: I Read It –

      How You Can Honestly State That Natalee Was “Drunk” Is Insane – She Had A Nap That Afternoon – You Failed To Mention That -

      She Also Had Dinner And Was Seen Drinking Water In The Casino – Also – Did She Go Snorkeling That Day ? Believe Me – They Will Not Serve Drinks On A Dive Boat – No Matter How Much You Beg Them – (Trust Me – I Know)

      So – Let’s See – Maybe 2 Drinks or 3 ?? From 10:00 am
      to 1:00 am ?? Plus A Nap And Food ?

      That Would Not Do It For Me – How About You ?

    32. Maggie on February 1st, 2007 7:48 pm

      Read Charles Croes statement from his Greta interview. Joran said Natalee was doing drugs and possibly drinking. What drugs was she doing according to Joran or was that in case they found her? Why would they take an intoxicated girl away from her friends to another bar and serve her up Rum151 after it’s closed if it wasn’t to drug her? Oh that’s right that was Natalee’s idea.. How did Joran buy Rum151 underage? How was he in the club underage? What SH*T will they see if they find the girl?

    33. Allan K on February 1st, 2007 7:54 pm

      They don’t prosecute child school rape and now talking about a minister with sex crime. No way!

    34. yoyo muffintop on February 1st, 2007 7:56 pm

      Sure, they could have been watered down, but were they “full strength” on friday and watered down on saturday? What is the basis for believing Joran drugged her? Pure speculation? Anyone?

    35. Richard on February 1st, 2007 8:20 pm

      One comment about the talk of burying, moving the body and reburying …. A book of forensic medicine says that in hot climates (this is not pleasant to think of) decomposition advances rapidly, and in areas like the Caribbean beetles and other bugs begin working on bodies very quickly.

      So from that viewpoint, there might be problems with this scenario.

    36. Richard on February 1st, 2007 8:24 pm

      Miss Underestimated (#6), it’s worth noting that there’s also a substantial reward for information that leads to the recovery of Natalee’s body. Or there was in the early days.

      So with all the hands involved in the action (and I too think there were more people than the punk kids), it would seem that if someone could provide that info and cash in (and presumably get out of Aruba) they would have by now.

    37. dennisintn on February 1st, 2007 8:40 pm

      within days of natalee’s disappearance, reporters had jvds’ school mates telling of him bragging about using daterape drugs. this was from 2 reporters from different organizations.

    38. Big Lou on February 1st, 2007 9:01 pm

      YoYo: It is pure speculation. We believe she was druged. You don’t. Nobody can prove it one way or the other.
      NYchic: I have been on many, many dive trips and most of them have OPEN bar.

    39. nychic on February 1st, 2007 9:04 pm

      yoyo -

      Ask – And You Shall Receive:

      Paulus Googled the DANGERS OF ALCOHOL AND DRUGS
      This Action All But Confirms My Theory That Natalee
      Died From Suffocation As Described Below While
      Being Gang-Raped – The Pigs Probably Did Not
      Even Notice At The Time – But Their DNA
      Was Already On Her – Sending Them Into Panic Mode

      Mixing GHB with alcohol can result in temporary unarousable sleep. (From Pig’s Statements: She Was Slumped Over Asleep In The Back Seat of Their Car) GHB may dangerously depress breathing when used in alcohol – GHB can produce both unconsciousness and vomiting – a very dangerous combination. Vomiting while unconscious can result in aspiration of the vomit into the lungs and suffocation

      That My Friend – Tells Me She Was Drugged !
      Natalee Never Left The Company of Other MB Students
      The Entire Trip – Why Would She That Night ?
      Why Was DickPak Seen Leading Her By The Arm ?
      Why Was There So Much Discussion About Who Had What
      Color Cup At CnC’s ? What Was In The Chaser Joran Poured Out ? Not Enought GHB In That Shot ? Let’s Make Sure -
      Hence – Overdose… IMO

    40. yoyo muffintop on February 1st, 2007 9:11 pm

      dennisintn – that was all part of the media frenzy that was happening on the island. Reporters were tripping over each other trying to get a scoop. Can you link to those or cite exactly who said what. I sure hope it wasn’t Geraldo.

    41. nychic on February 1st, 2007 9:13 pm


      So You Are Validating The Drinks Were Full Strength
      On Friday ? You Were There ? Do Tell ?

    42. Rob on February 1st, 2007 9:16 pm

      Red Fires = Cinnamon spiced liquor.

      All Inclusive’s are notorious for watered down drinks and swill you would never want to drink.. thats why I dont stay at All Inclusive’s. All bottom shelf crap. And dont get me started on Balashi…ok.. I ll start.. it makes Dominica’s El Presidente look like 1957 Rothschild’s.

      The HI is an All Inclusive.

      That 600 room frat house should be torn down and replaced with the new Valero plant. LOL.

      If Natalee wasnt drugged, what was ‘that shit’????

    43. Carpe Noctem on February 1st, 2007 9:19 pm

      Some suggestions for Jo-Yo…

      1. Never stand up in a canoe.
      2. Don’t wear BRUT 33 aftershave or Canoe.
      3. Drop Joran the murdering-rapist from your client list.
      4. Go fix S. Petersen a Flirtini & tell him how innocent
      you still think he is.

      5.. Lastly, don’t ever look directly into Anita Van der Sloot’s
      bazoons w/out wearing a Welder’s Helmet. :shock:
      The life you save, may be your very own! ;)


    44. Rob on February 1st, 2007 9:24 pm

      I know for myself this is the sorriest crew of douche bags Ive ever seen and makes this attempt at a cover up all that more frustrating. These are not professional hit men.. these are clumsy idiots and animals driven by primordial lust and desire. On top of that they TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT WANT IT TO EFFECT TOURISM…EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.

      And that father.. what a numb nuts…I cant wait for the day I wake up and see in El Diario he’s been the victim of a crime on crime free Aruba…Thats gonna be so rich. Bet that crime will be solved in record time, even if it means arresting all of San Nic.

      And that worn out disgrace of a mother. I hope to God someone kicks her right in the crotch and disables her baby maker so the world isnt subjected to another sloot that preys on women.

      Ok.. I feel better… LOL

    45. yoyo muffintop on February 1st, 2007 9:28 pm

      carpe – Natalee invited Joran to C & C’s. Tell me how you get from Natalee inviting Joran to Joran stalking her? Makes no sense.

    46. Kat_Gram on February 1st, 2007 9:29 pm
      Here is the response by the Dr. Phil show ! !
      A good read ! ! !
      A five star ! ! !

    47. Big Lou on February 1st, 2007 9:31 pm

      Signs of Alcohol poisoning:
      1. Mental confusion, stupor, coma,or person cannot be roused.
      2. Vomiting
      3. Seizures
      4. Slow breathing
      5. Irregular breathing
      6. Hypothermia


      SM:   The FACT that Natalee was dancing at CnC at 12-12:30 that night tell me she wasn’t anywhere near the stage of alcohol poisoning.   Something happened to her after she was dancing.   This suggests to me that she was probably drugged. (klaasend)

    48. nychic on February 1st, 2007 9:37 pm

      Big Lou -

      Were Those Dive Trips On Land Or Water ?

    49. yoyo muffintop on February 1st, 2007 9:37 pm

      nychic – why don’t you tell me how many “watered down” drinks it takes to make someone very intoxicated. You obviously are discrediting everything that Lee B. is stating in her statement to the FBI. And your ghb blurb – just alcohol will do that as well. I think you need to water yours down tonight. Me thinks you just want to argue for the sake of arguing – which is cool by me.

    50. nychic on February 1st, 2007 9:55 pm

      Rob -

      You Are Correct About The Balashi – Or As I Call It “Balashit”

      Which Brings Me To The Watered Down Drinks:

      I Could Not Tell You -

      When On The Islands: Drink Cold Beer –
      And I Advise Everyone
      To Carry Your Own Bottle Opener

      so now – Why Did Paulus Just Happen To Google “Drugs & Alcohol – That Particular Night ????


      Natalee And Her Friends Including Lee B. Were Not
      Wild Party Girls In Aruba – Not Even Close -

      If They Told Each Other To Slow Down – I Would Equate
      That To Acting A Little Tipsy – Not Screaming Wild Blasted
      (do you get the point?)

    51. Big Lou on February 1st, 2007 10:14 pm

      SM: I have to agree with you. I just wanted to point out that if you OD on drugs or alcohol the results are similar.

    52. dennisintn on February 1st, 2007 10:18 pm

      #40, yoyo, geraldo and another journalist i didn’t know talked about jvds bragging to his schoolmates about having used daterape drugs on tourist girls on their last nights. this was not a onetime deal according to them. both of them had tried to get the parents of the boys to sign off on them being on tv but they declined “because they had to live there”.

    53. Rob on February 1st, 2007 10:23 pm

      paulus is up to his ass in the murder of an American girl. Its not a secret to anyone following this case since day one.

      Some judge he would have made. The North Valle Cartel would have owned Aruba.. they already own Oduber, but they needed someone to fix the over flow of cases that Smid couldn’t handle on his own. And believe me there were / are alotta of cases on the board.. just look at the latest busts, those were gonna be paulus’ cases. This is costing the Cartels millions a week in diverted shipments and new routing procedures. Not to mention all the money this is costing buying of new government entities.

      Two tons on coke found in youre house? that not enough evidence.

    54. Rob on February 1st, 2007 10:29 pm

      forgot to mention-
      in the casinos, if you want a rum and coke, they give you this crap called Palmeri… its like drinking turpentine. Its really that bad. I tried it once and lost a day in the hotel room trying to decide if I needed airlifted back to the states. I think that crap is made in a bath tub at KIA.

      I was actually praying for death.

      The next time I was in that casino, they asked if I wanted a rum and coke and I said yes, but I wanted Bacardi and they kept saying no, no, no, you have to pay for that..I said I dont care if its 20 bucks a drink, Im not ever drinking that Palmeri ever again.
      True story.

    55. nychic on February 1st, 2007 10:32 pm

      Doesn’t Look Like Dr. Phil Is Too Worried
      Just Saw Him On A Match.Com TV Commercial

    56. Rob on February 1st, 2007 10:35 pm

      Dennis, I know for a fact that someone’s son went to ISA with joran and saw him drug girls before Natalee got to Aruba..its a fact not a rumor. This kid is afraid that joran or someone he knows is going to cause him harm. He gave a statement.
      If I told you this persons name, you would know it.

    57. nychic on February 1st, 2007 10:36 pm

      Rob -

      What Is Your Take On The Paulus/Posner Connection ?

    58. Maggie on February 1st, 2007 10:39 pm

      Doesn’t say Natalee invited him to CnC.. It says they.. Also the girls have said since they were surprised to see him when he showed up, because he said nothing goes on their Sunday nights.

      VAN DER SLOOT: And I remember afterwards going into – right behind that casino is a little bar, and I remember watching – walking in there. And there was a baseball game on TV, and again, the group of girls was sitting there. And they said, Oh, yes, don’t forget to come out tonight. And I told them that on Sunday, it wasn’t a good night to go out. It wasn’t fun. It wasn’t – and – but they said, You know, if you want to come, come. And I ended up deciding that, yes, I might as well go and have fun.

    59. Rob on February 1st, 2007 10:48 pm

      my opinion on paulus and posner is the same as everyone else, they were in something together. prolly money laundering and other bull crap that gangsters are involved with. I understand that in the casino video, some of posner friends from Chicago were sitting at a table near Natalee and joran and he was mad that the tape was released for that reason.

      posner is really Irv Goldstein and ‘Posner’ is not his real name. (Im sure you know that) paulus handled contracts, that makes posner and paulus blood brothers of some sort. My guess would be he helped posner get that dump called the Excelsior and establish himself on Aruba. Hard to know for sure… whats your take?

    60. Patti on February 1st, 2007 11:11 pm

      I may be totally off base, here, but I think that only Satish is involved with Joran in the death of Natalee. I think that Satish had sex, probably forced upon her, with Satish and Deepak is lying to protect his brother.

      Remember, it was Satish, not Deepak that was in the bar with Natalee and Joran. I don’t think that Deepak was into the same things as Joran and Satish… and that Joran was the leader over Satish, but would have a hard time convincing Deepak of doing anything like what was done to Natalee that night.

      I’m convinced that Joran is involved, especially with all this talk about his reputation of drugging girls, not to mention the pushing that he did of the chollar off the bridge. But, how is it that Deepak would know about that unless he was either there, or was told about it?

      I think that if someone looks at the taping that was done in the squad car, it is obvious that Deepak throws that information into the conversation, as a means to protect his brother… like to say, I know about the chollar. Probably, because Satish was with Joran when he did it. He even says something to Joran about him trying to hurt his brother by coming between them.

      Maybe Joran just used Deepak as transportation… thus the appearance that he was a taxi, because he wasn’t really into hanging out with Joran. He is older, whereas Satish is more his age, and in my opinion, less emotionally developed.

      Who’s to say that Deepak didn’t tell the truth at the beginning. Stating that he had dropped Joran and the girl at the hotel, and, in his desire to protect his brother, failed to mention that Satish was dropped off with them.
      Maybe there was a white truck that picked up Natalee from the beach after she had received a head injury… as that would be in line with an eyewitness report.

      What if the prowler that was reported at the Holiday Inn was Joran, or Satish, sneaking around, trying NOT to be seen and seeking help from their friends in the casino. Maybe that is where the white truck comes into play… someone trying to help Joran and Satish with an injured or, perhaps, dead Natalee.

      I think that Deepak and Satish are both lying, but I think that Deepak is lying for only one reason, to protect Satish. I, honestly, don’t think that he could give a rat’s ass about Joran. If it were up to him, he would have told on Joran and collected the money a long time ago, if Satish was not involved.

      Don’t forget, there is a report of a small white Suzuki truck at the Fisherman’s Huts and a report of a white pick up truck at the landfill, where someone was spotted burying a body and covering the spot with a child’s plastic wading pool. Again, Joran makes threats toward Deepak, getting between his brother and him, when he says that he is going to say that Deepak buried Natalee at the Fisherman’s Huts. Which just about makes Deepak jump out of his skin! Why? Is it possible that Satish was with Joran along with whoever owns the white pick-up truck, burying a body? Joran is using this fact to force Deepak to go along with their (Joran and Satish’s) stories and lies? I think that it is after that threat that Deepak tells Joran that he keeps trying to come between him and his brother.

      Alot of people have gone to great lengths to try to tie these eyewitness accounts into a senario of multiple burials of one body. What if there were several bodies, just as there were several heads at the rocks? Several girls that Joran had tortured, raped and killed.

      I think that Joran is a psychopath; there is no question about that, and usually they work alone; but what if Satish is also a little psychopathic, as well, and they worked as partners in this game of death that they play on the unsuspecting.

      Isn’t it possible that there was more than one body to hide? I am sure that there were more than one victim to his/their madness. Obviously, there is the chollar that is mentioned in the back of the van, but could there have been more than one chollar, perhaps someone that no one would miss or report as missing; maybe, someone that goes missing all the time because of her excessive drug use?

      Besides, there have to be bodies to go with those heads that are seen at the rocks.

    61. Carpe Noctem on February 1st, 2007 11:19 pm

      Okay, I am gonna release my own book!

      JORAN: Still a lying
      raping / murdering bag of
      cow pies by: Carpe


      Topic: What was your reaction when you first found
      out Natalee was missing?

      ABC PRIMETIME 3/2006

      Joran van der Sloot: Well, the first thing that popped into my head was (censored). What if something happened to her? What if she went swimming? I was thinking after everything she told me, she *probably might* have gone back to her hotel, hooked up with – gone to someone else, hooked up with someone else, and wanted to stay another day on the island.

      CURRENT AFFAIR 9/2005

      Joran van der Sloot: Well, I didn’t really think something bad happened to her and I don’t think anyone in Aruba did.

      FOXNEWS GRETA- 3/2006

      But at some point we were like, oh, she probably just went with someone else or probably just ran away and, you know, we never thought something bad, you know, could have happened or might have happened, never, you know.


      2/2006 NOVA INTERVIEW

      Reporter: Why did you decide to take her along ?

      Joran van der Sloot: She herself asked to come,
      she voluntarily went with us and eh we visited
      the places she wanted, we did what she wanted.

      NOTE*- PLACE(S) … “We visited the PLACES that she wanted.”

      Multiple locations.


    62. mayan_moons on February 1st, 2007 11:27 pm

      LOL ROB!~

    63. Carpe Noctem on February 1st, 2007 11:32 pm
    64. nychic on February 1st, 2007 11:49 pm

      Michael Posner / Mike Pos / Irv Goldstein / Walter Posner

      (did I miss any)

      Fled Aruba Back To Chicago Following His Meeting With Guido – Who Fled To Utrecht Immediately After That

      My Take: Guido / Joran / Paulus / Andre / Elvis
      All Worked In Money Laundering For The Pos -
      It Looked Like An Innocent Night Out At The Casino ?
      Playing – Losing – Cashing In Chips – Making Bank Deposits
      Why Else Would Paulus Be Calling Guido About $$$

      Why Is Everyone So Scared To Say Anything In Aruba ?
      Pos = Mafia — Money = Power

      When Paulus Took Over The “Disposal” of Natalee –
      Pos Helped Out – Big Time – Bet On It

      Sweaty Man Sloot Does Not Have The Cash To Fund
      The Cover Up – But Guess Who Does ?

    65. yoyo muffintop on February 1st, 2007 11:54 pm

      Rob – give up the name. since he’s already made a statement, no need to conceal. Did this come after the NY civil suit?

    66. JusticeforNatalee on February 1st, 2007 11:58 pm

      Dr. Phil to Kalpoes:

      Bring it

      (You’ve got NOTHING)

    67. John on February 2nd, 2007 12:03 am

      In Aruba we have a saying that says “Bad Fame is also Fame” thanks SM!
      Btw, this is a close case because the supposedly sexually harrased women in this case declared publicly on national radio the situation, even a blind could have figured out what happened between the two.


      PS: Tell Dr. Phil he has to pay the Kalpoe Brothers very soon!

      Aruba did not cover up the case, go ask why Jan V/D Straten did it!

    68. yoyo muffintop on February 2nd, 2007 12:07 am

      Red – Does the Holloway/Twitty family know about this guy Rob is talking about?

    69. JusticeforNatalee on February 2nd, 2007 12:14 am

      Just wait until the jury hears Deepak call Natalee names.

      Tsk, tsk, Deepak, the jury won’t like that!

    70. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 12:21 am

      Yeah looks like theres plenty of headless bodies to go arround. Most of the dismembering was done at the rocks, although the videographer managed to NOT catch on film the actual beheadding, you can see an entire body minus the head. The head was taken off first, leaving the body just laying out there (not covered) and move on to remove the next head. Looks like 5 or six bodies there but i also think one maybe two people (1 child) were dismembered by the pond/basin area.9

    71. nychic on February 2nd, 2007 12:25 am

      Would That Be DickHead or ShitHead Posting ?
      I’m At A Loss Here ? Maybe Nadira ?

    72. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 12:32 am

      Did Jipshit cut those bodies up? Is that why he was so exhausted? Psycho People don’t realize how hard its going to be cutting up a body. Did Papa Sweat bring tools to Jurine in his tennis bag?

    73. Patti on February 2nd, 2007 12:39 am

      I’m sorry… I read my post and it doesn’t make any sense
      because I’m trying to disclose as much information as I can
      into as few words as possible.

      My point is this: If we use the eyewitnesses reports, more
      than likely, we’ll come closer to the truth.

      By using the eye witness reports of both a prowler being
      reported outside the casino at the Holiday Inn, along with
      the report of a girl being thrown into the back of a white
      pick-up on the beach at the Holiday Inn, we tie Joran’s
      card dealing buddy into the mix. It’s obvious that he was
      involved, somehow. Why else would he feel the need to hire
      an attorney; one of the most expensive attorneys in The

      In Deepak’s original statement, he said that he dropped
      Natalee and Joran off at the Holiday Inn.

      Guests at the Holiday Inn reported a prowler outside the
      casino. The hotel security guards (!) locked several
      enterances to the Hotel.

      A Hotel worker reports seeing three men on the beach throw
      what looks like a body of a woman in the back of a white
      pick up and drive away.

      Fishermen at the Fishermen’s Huts reported seeing a small
      white pick-up truck – Suzuki.

      Junior sees a (white or) tan pick-up truck at the landfill
      and three men burying a body, covering the area with a
      child’s wading pool.

      Finally, you have a witness report of three men at the
      rocks, with shovels (I’m not sure whether she reports
      seeing a white pick up truck)

      Certainly, if it is unreasonable to think that Natalee was
      buried, then dug up, buried, then dug up and buried again.
      I am inclined to believe that there were other bodies that
      needed to be buried. Especially when it became evident
      that the murder of a girl on vacation was not going to go
      unreported, like the death of a chollar. I don’t mean that
      in a disrespectful way.

      Good Night!

    74. yoyo muffintop on February 2nd, 2007 12:43 am

      mayan – so people were dismembered at the pond and at the rocks? Do you think they were murdered there as well, or murdered elsewhere and transported? 2 killing fields, so to speak? And was the dismemberment taking place at the pond during the video? How long after the beheading at the rocks do you think the video was taken?

    75. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 12:45 am

      I think back to seeing the hands in the basin bag, numerous defense wounds on the palms & fingers. That proves the victim was alive & grabbing at the blade of the knife to stop the attack.

    76. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 12:47 am

      Thank You for the link Kat_gram!

    77. Carpe Noctem on February 2nd, 2007 1:07 am

      ROFLMAO – Rob you had me peeing my pants with #44!


      #60 Patti says:

      Remember, it was Satish, not Deepak
      that was in the bar with Natalee and Joran.


      Actually, all three were in the bar.

      Joran and Deepak are both sociopaths. Satish
      is the only one of the three that resembles
      a human being. He’s the least likely of the
      three to lie, that is why J & D want to
      protect him. They know if he gets grilled
      with a hardcore interrogation, he’s probably
      gonna snap in half.

      Perp Rankings

      1. Joran – the worst – a team leader.
      J looks at people like
      they’re slabs of meat.
      People are just a means to
      an end for him. He will
      get what he wants through
      manipulation & ef who ever
      stands in his path. He doesn’t
      know the meaning of the word no.

      2. Deepak – next worst –
      Much like Joran, but D
      is a follower. He’s too
      much of a weakling to
      lead. He’s hanging out
      with a 17 yr old when he
      was 21. Deepak is under developed
      both in body & in mind. He acts
      like a tuffy, but deep down in
      his small brain, he’s quite
      aware of the fact that
      he’s a big pussy…
      … and he is very aggravated about
      that. This is why he acts like
      a loose cannon sometimes, ESPECIALLY
      when drunk.

      3. Satish – Follower & terrible liar, but
      least likely to rape & lie.
      He’s has little in common
      wuth Dirtpack & Jipshit.
      I bet you he’s really pissed
      about hanging out with his
      dilly of brother & Frankenstein that
      fateful night!

      Don’t get me wrong, I still think Satish is a
      pile of sh for not divulging all that he knows!

      of the three, he’s the least evil. Which ain’t saying a whole lot.


    78. Patti on February 2nd, 2007 1:15 am

      Mayan Moons:

      In reply to your post #70 –

      I agree with you, there are plenty of bodies. I suspect Mr.
      Van der Sloot chose to cement the area around the pool in an
      attempt to cover more things that Joran buried in his back
      yard… more people and perhaps some animals, as well.

      Do we know the exact date that the videographer took the
      pictures at the rocks?

    79. Patti on February 2nd, 2007 1:21 am


      I appreciate the heads up. I respect your opinion.
      Thanks for taking the time to tell me.


    80. Carpe Noctem on February 2nd, 2007 1:23 am

      “I called Deepak and HE CAME WITH THE TWO DOGS”

      DOG #1

      PITBULL ?

      DOG #2

      Scooby ?

      Where are they now?

      Joegan – drug hit, tortured, beaten to death,
      crucified, and torched.

      Scooby – Where is Scooby? He hasn’t shown
      up for work since Natalee disappeared. -J4N

    81. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 1:23 am

      Yeah is that you ratface boi?

    82. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 1:43 am

      The rocks was the dump site. We can see the way people are treated in St Nicholas that are still alive, in light of that Natalee’s was the only body Jip & his dad Wad were worried about hiding. If its true the Sloots were mixing cement it was to cover Natalee.

    83. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 1:50 am

      Yes i do think thats what could be happening at the pond.
      That or a sexual attack.

    84. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 1:58 am

      Hey Carpe!

      I think you’re Spot On with the perp rank, Jipshit was running that show.

    85. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 2:03 am

      The Rocks tape was uploaded on the 10th of June right guys?
      Carpe & i have spoken on how fresh (not meant to offend) the kills were, one still with a pink tongue & one i’m sure is female looks fresh also, the skin is still in tact….so to speak.

    86. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 2:16 am

      Did Any of our Perps have any fresh cuts to their hands on or about May 30, 2005? Once the stabbing begins & blood flows making it hard for the killer to control the knife, coupled with a victim who is trying to fight off the knife attack makes it likely (8 or 9 times out of 10) the killer is going to get cut also.

    87. Patti on February 2nd, 2007 2:47 am

      I get a different feel. I think the women at the rocks were
      tortured, raped and murdered there. How else would there
      be so much blood on the rocks and even on the ground?
      What proof is there that Joran took Natalee to his house?

      Personally, I don’t think that Van der Sloot participated
      in the murder of Natalee or anyone, for that matter. But
      I do believe that his son told him about the things he did
      and his father helped him cover his crimes… protecting
      his reputation and protecting his son from prosecution. I
      don’t think that the old man is with it mentally, but I
      don’t think that he is anywhere near the monster that his
      son is.

      Knowing what we do about psychopaths, it’s safe to say that
      Joran’s attacks on living things started out on a smaller
      scale and progressed to the murder of Natalee. Perhaps, in
      his mind, as in the minds of many psychopaths, the chollars
      were sub-human and nothing to worry about. But Natalee was
      different and I agree with you, they hid her.

      The things that Joran did to Natalee are unthinkable and
      unimaginable. The authorities know about it, just like his
      father; and for that reason, I pray for justice and support
      the boycott.

    88. mayan_moons on February 2nd, 2007 3:21 am

      Hey Carpe!

      lol Your #43 & #44 had me going!

    89. Richard on February 2nd, 2007 7:58 am

      Whether Joran and crew drugged Natalee or not … and it certainly seems likely … they were the last people known to be with her. And all they’ve done since is lie.

      So while we all have lots of ideas as to what may have happened, there’s one thing we can do for Natalee and her family … BOYCOTT ARUBA.

      And the whole Netherlands Antilles, as Beth asked at first.

      There’s a press release out today … Aruba and some other Caribbean countries, in conjunction with JetBlue, will be offering free photos to those people seeking the new tourist visas. The release has a schedule of the days when, at JFK airport in New York, Aruban representatives will be on hand to help out with this.

      I don’t think that anyone can get into the airport these days without a ticket … too bad.

      Meanwhile, there’s also a release from that Boston Globe travel event where I plan to show up in late March and picket. The first day of the three-day event, to be held (I think) March 23-25, will be for the travel “trade” only.

      This seems to be a change in plans; it seems hard to believe that they might have heard that protestors will be on hand! Anyway, I can’t get in that day, but hope to stand outside with a Natalee poster. Will tell more as plans develop.


    90. SUPER DAVE on February 2nd, 2007 8:24 am

      #67 john: i see you actually made it to the 6th grade in aruba. just like Jethro Bodine Clampett! you must be one of the smarter ones with a bold lie ilke that !

    91. Rob on February 2nd, 2007 10:09 am

      yo yo muffintop-
      nope Im not going to give his name because he is a young man with his future in front of him and has nothing to do with anything other than being a witness to jorans previous drugging of girls and women. There is no reason to give his name at all. None.

      He gave his declaration and the HT’s are aware of who he is and this has been known to them for more than a year.

      its hard to believe that joran drugged other girls and women and then all of a sudden changes his modus and NOT drug Natalee. As we all know there is also a declaration of a girl who took a drink and her lips then tingled and she was assaulted. Thats all in her declaration.

    92. Miss-Underestimated on February 2nd, 2007 10:12 am

      Hi Miss Mayan

      I remember hearing that someone at school saw JVDS
      had scracthes on his face. But they had 10 days to cover up and heal.

      But we all know now that none of this would have happened if Anita stayed home, words from her own model son.

    93. Richard on February 2nd, 2007 11:23 am

      I heard just now that Aruba has decided NOT to prosecute the person in question. Wonder if Dennis Jacobs made a call to the woman? Can’t say I’m surprised.

    94. Miss-Underestimated on February 2nd, 2007 1:33 pm


      Does anything surprise any one. So now where is this woman? I hope nothing happened to her, things have a way of happening on that island.

    95. yoyo muffintop on February 2nd, 2007 10:41 pm

      Rob – Why was he not included in the WD suit in NY?
      I’m calling BS. And as far as Karen Martina goes…you know what the outcome of that was, now don’t you? BS again.
      But, hey, you sure are back at the fun of the “i know something but can’t tell” game you used to play. Surprised no one’s picked up on that yet.

    96. Rob on February 3rd, 2007 12:15 am

      nice try … but I not going to give you what you want. Everyone here knows Im telling the truth. I dont hide behind some bullshit SN like you do.. I use my real name and many people on Aruba know exactly who I am.

      now do you want to take this to the next level?

      Im ready, but I will never give you the satisfaction of revealing my sources beyond what I have already disclosed or giving you anything that will harm a person that has nothing to do with anything. In fact, I would never give you anything that could harm Joran.

      I want to see him see in jail for 15 years and I want to be there to laff in paulus’ face when it happens.

    97. dennisintn on February 3rd, 2007 12:38 am

      #94, a myriad of ways they could go here. deported her, sent jacobs to take a statement from her and scared her out of her mind, or the landfill or ocean, or sent her off to a re-education center to be retaught who’s boss and who’s not.

    98. Patti on February 3rd, 2007 7:00 am

      This is rediculous! A woman is so upset that she goes on
      the radio crying for protection and to let the people know
      what happened to her and what? They think she’s lying?

      What about the call that was made to Mr. Oduber’s house…
      Why would any woman call another about something like that
      unless it were true? Why would a call like that be listed
      in a catagory of all the other crazy calls a person might
      receive… complaints of sexual harrassment?

      When was the last time you received a call about your
      husbands buddy sexually harassing someone? Actually, I
      believe it was more of a sexual assault, really. But I
      ask you, how often? Is that something that happens all
      the time? Would you not consider it important?

      What the ?!?!?!??!?

      That reeks with the smell of, well, you know! Do the people
      of Aruba accept such silly answers as truth? How gullible
      can a person be? I’d be sticking a microphone in front of
      him trying to figure that one out!

      Mr. Oduber:

      You made a statement that you receive
      phone calls like this all the time.

      Please, do tell.

      Talkin’ about you can’t figure out which ones are for
      real and which ones aren’t?

      Please, do tell, which ones were for real?

      And, which ones were not?

      Before you gave up trying to disern between the two.

    99. dennisintn on February 3rd, 2007 1:33 pm

      sounds like the lady is protecting her family from harm. the rest of it is typical aruban response to sex crimes. what? here? rape? it’s just boys being boys. shut up and get over it, you’re damaging tourism. sound familiar?

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