RSSAruba, Maybe You can use South Africa as an Example … Hint: Rape is one of the worst offenses
It would appear the courts in South Africa seem to think rape is a terrible offense. They seem to thing that gang rape is even worse. A particular Caribbean island might want to read this article and rethink their position. What does one think going in and out of consciousness mean?
An East London High Court judge sentenced a gang rapist to life imprisonment, describing the “arrogant” attack at knife-point as “one of the worst offenses”. Life sentences were handed down in the gang rape.
What message does that send to the world, especially since we are hosting the 2010 World Cup.”
Compare and contrast the attitude of this case vs. the disappearance and what many believe from suspect statements as the assault of Natalee Holloway.
The 25-year-old victim – on holiday from England – was walking along the beach between Bonza Bay and Gonubie on March 23 when she was attacked by Monde Jack, 22, and a 15-year-old youth. A third man watched.
Handing down sentence, Judge Themba Sangoni told Jack: “Rape is one of the worst offenses, especially when it is committed by a large number of people … particularly if a knife is used to subdue a victim.
“There is a stigma to it and it undermines women.
“From the evidence brought forward there was an element of premeditation because you followed the complainant for a while.” (The Dispatch)
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I think that gang rape is a crime of moral turpetude.You lose many rights,including your freedom.
This may be an interesting read for all…
YOU’VE GOT MAIL, SPORTER!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reportedly…
JORAN’S EMAIL TO
SOME DUDE NAMED
“DAN”
*Note Date of email.
Date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:24 AM
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SPORTER MUST HAVE TAKEN A BRAKE
FROM HIS LATENIGHT GAMBLING, he writes…
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- text copy -
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From: “er dsf”
To: “Its Just Dan” deleted
Subject: Re: request to delete picture (Joran v.d Sloot)
Date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:24 AM
yes it is me.. and i just made up this email account to communicate with
you..
thank you very much for removing my picture i apreaciate it greatly and so
do my family and friends… I wish i could talk to you and other press but i
do not think it would be in my best intrests because i dont want a media
frenzy surrounding my house which has allready happend. I deleted my tickle
account to i did not know i could be that vunurable because of a website
like that and your website was the only one posting a picture of me.. you have
to understand that im only 17 and I also have a life in front of me and I am
also looking forward to studying in the states.
I do hope to god that they find natalee alive, but i have to worry about myself to. I hope you understand and if you have any questions you can ask however i cant promise that i will answer them or all of them I would have to ask my dad if its okay first.
But thank you for removing my picture it means a lot because before you
know it my face is all over cnn and that is somthing i dont want. thanks
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I find it very interesting that even as early as
JUNE 9TH 2005 … he is so quickly bringing
up the detail — ‘ALIVE’ —-
Her disappearance at this point is *so fresh…
most people seem to have not even processed the
ALIVE OR DEAD issue yet. Most are
just shocked she is M-I-S-S-I-N-G…
-VANISHED-
BUT NOT JORAN,
IMHO he knew damn well that she will
not found alive! That is why he chooses that
particular word.
-J4N
* note from above
IT WAS REPORTED in Diario…
that he took a ‘break’, rather than a ‘brake’
At some later point in time, however…
he denied doing both!
In the age of HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis C and other life-threatening diseases that are STD’s it can be the equivalent of murder as well. At one time kidnapping and rape were both considered extremely serious crimes that could carry life sentences. We need a return to this standard for that was before AIDS, etc. and there is no reason for this to be taken more lightly now with that in the mix.
The emotional trauma is usually life long and so why should the victim continue to suffer while the one who did this to her or him goes on with their life? This is a violation of a person second only to murder. No one has the right to so much as touch another human being against their will.
All of this violence against women has to stop and it needs to stop now. Too many lives are being ruined because of the hate and selfishness of some.
Carpe
How many times did Joran and Lawless make statements to the effect that Natalee was dead? Why would Joran even think that ,if he just dropped her off at the beach, didn’t he /they think she ran away?
Joran and Papa, transparent as a brand spanking new window,
#5
TOO MANY TIMES, MY LADYYYY!
Way too many to be normal.
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“BLUE CHRISTMAS” VERSE
I’ll have a blue Christmas without you…
I’ll be so blue thinking about you…
Decorations of red…
On a green Christmas tree…
Won’t be the same…
If we can’t find NATALEE!!!
And when those blue snow flakes start falling
And when those blue memories start calling
You’ll be doing alright with your Christmas of white
But I’ll have a blue, blue, blue, blue Christmas
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
-Justice 4 Natalee
http://tinyurl.com/yz5fzv
Yep won’t be long it will get real cold,
so then that’s “COLD SWEATS”
Dude…dont you have other things to do then report over 1 lost american girl ? There are worse things around the world happening right now..maybe even in your own backyard..
Just Leave Aruba be and the case will be solved eventualy…
Kammie
JUST 1 AMERICAN GIRL? LOST?
SHOWS YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD UP YOUR CRACK,
Well, Golly Gee, Kammie: I wonder what you would do if this were your child that you refer to as just 1 lost American girl.
If there is something that is happening in your own backyard that you need help with, please let us know; but in the meantime, give Natalee’s family and friends the respect that they so richly deserve for atleast trying to do something about it.
Justice may come easy for some; but in this case, we have the son of a prominent judge that has committed an extremely violent crime against a defenseless child. Even in America that would be a recipe for disaster. Do you honestly believe that if the situation was left to solve itself, without any pressure to do so, that these people would be brought to justice?
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SM: Your nickname has some people believing you are Beth Twitty. Are you Beth Twitty or just using the nickname Beth to post here? Thanks for clearing it up for us one way or the other!! (klaasend)
Robert’s list of Dutch officials to contact concerning corruption and incompetence:
Her Majesty Queen Beatrix
Kabinet der Koningin
Postbus 20016
2500 EA Den Haag, The Netherlands
Ministerie van Justitie
Dr. E.M.H. Hirsch Ballin
Postbus 20301
2500 EH Den Haag, The Netherlands
#9: it just might be your sister, mother, daughter, or your wife next. then would you be so cruel or would you be begging for any help you could get? i would bet money that you would be begging. but judging from your post, you might not even care about your own family !
#9: i also forgot to say that nothing in aruba would ever solve itself. evidently these people in charge there are a lot like you. the case will be much better off without your
hateful input.
I’d really like to ask Anita how she feels about the way that 16 year old girl who was raped on school grounds by classmates who recorded it on cell phones. Is that ok with you ANITA? Has anyone ever done you like that? It seems Aruba doesn’t care at all about the women on the island, Does that include you too Anita?
And Nadira, you have a daughter who will be a teenager soon. Is it going to be alright with you if she is raped? Will Deepak, Satish & your husband care or will she be shipped of the island like this girl?
The FOLLOWING is a test,
of the Emergency Postcasting System…
I repeat, this is only a test.
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-J4N-
Are we BACK ‘ON THE AIR’ AND WORLDWIDE, ZOOKEEPER?
Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooooooo!
Seems like we are. I was worried that the forum had been hijacked by Aruba. Have to get cracking on my letter to the queen.
And let’s flush Kammie down to the rightful place in the sewer.
You got that right Richard!
I would like to write QB, as well.
Do you have the exact amount of postage
it will take to get it there – top of your head?
TIA.
itchy gitchy ya ya da da?~
Yay! its working! (watching The Line Up)
THANK YOU PETER!
BETH is coming up NEXT!
BETH…..WE’RE RIGHT BEHIND YOU AS ALWAYS.
YOU TOO DAVE……RIGHT BEHIND YA!
ARUBA JUST DO YOUR FRIGGEN JOB ALREADY!
It is coming….
Does anyone want to wager how many years Paulus will have to spend in the big house for this?
Yep, J2K have at least 8 years in the big house….but PAULUS THE PERP is going to have to go for more. Murder? Obstruction of Justice? Conspiracy to cover-up a crime?
Add ‘em up baby and get Paulus behind bars. Let’s go Aruba and the Dutch Investigators…..VOID all judgements made to protect and insulate Paulus from prosecution for his crimes! End the cover-up now! md
Minnesota Dad, i believe Paules participated in the targetting, knew a drug (ghb) was to be put in Natalee’s drink in order for them & (that includes Paules) to rape her.
Did y’all catch The Lineup last night AND tonight? AWESOME! Keep the pressure on. Lots of air time for Natalee = more in-the-know folks and hopefully JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!! The investigation seems to be moving again…praise God!
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BTW, I received an invitation a few weeks ago to go to a resort in North Georgia called “Apple..something” (sorry I can’t remember the name). They wanted to sell timeshares or something and had this contest going that you automatically win a prize if you attend this free meeting/tour, with the grand prize being $40k, or you could win other cash prizes or trips, one being to Aruba. You had to call to confirm a time or visit (the address on the envelope was in Texas). I called and told the woman that I was strongly offended to be offered a free trip to Aruba as a prize and asked if I could speak to someone who might consider taking this prize off the roster and adding something else and explained about the boycott. Well, she got VERY rude and said “No, there is not. You mean you are going to give up a chance to win $40k or a trip because some girl disappeared in Aruba? Everyone has a right to go where they want to. You have no right to tell people where they can and cannot go!” Well, I did get a little too strong with her at this point. Then I calmed down and asked if she was aware of the circumstances of Natalee’s disappearance. She said she’d never heard of Natalee. Yeah right! I tried to explain….she got more rude and nasty and I told her to take my name of her mailing list and that if I ever got anything else from them, they would wish I hadn’t. She hung up on me. This place (resort) is up near Dahlonaga, Clarksville or something like that. So if any of you get this, watch out! I try to “catch more flies with honey than vinegar” as the old southern saying goes, but sometimes people won’t let you be nice.
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Also, I caught the Aruba Texas Hold ‘em tournament on GSN over the weekend. They were calling Aruba “The most beautiful place on earth.” Yeah, right! Beautiful place to have your women-folk disappear. So, if someone can find out the email or other address to GSN we need to write them too.
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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!
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They paniced alright but i don’t think its coz Natalee had a bad reaction to the ghb. I think the exact opposite, that Natalee was regaining conciouness & recognized the man raping her. She met him earlier at the casino, he sat beside her at the black jack table talking to her, telling her the other guy at the table is his son & he lies & tells Natalee he is a judge. The true reality is Paul couldn’t cut it, he was not a judge May 30, 2005 and he knew he would NEVER be one. Quite a stressor having to explain how you failed in becoming a judge. Now not only will everyone know he’s a failure in Judgeship but he’s on the opposite end of the spectrum, when NATALEE IDENTIFIES PAULES FOR RAPE HE WILL BE THE ONE BEHIND BARS.
Thats when panic set it.
Good for you, Judy!
Call them on it at every step…
ARUBA, you owe this family
some VERY BASIC JUSTICE.
I like what Beth says… all we are asking
for, is what is says in the law about RAPING
someone going in and out of conciousness…
we are not asking for special treatment here.
Just what the law allows.
FOLLOW YOUR OWN LAWS, PLEASE.
They’ve been pretty
respectful to ARUBA –
even though Aruba has acted
like a loud, stinking, beligerent drunk…
that has stayed
a couple of hours
too late at a party…
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ARUBA – KNOCK IT THE EF OFF – & GET
SOME JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND HER
FAMILY!
The Gig Is Up.
Anita sang already! In a wicked see through number,
it was simply tragic… man.
KNOCK KNOCK
hello hello,
…here is me bein’ over it.
-J4N!
http://tinyurl.com/y98vof
As everyone knows….my position is and has been for a long time that Paulus is your perp, the crime happened in his home, on the mattress found with ‘dog’s blood’.
Now that I’ve solved the crime….here are the other thoughts of the day:
Shango = Carlos (Shango was highly educated….not just some island schmuck…Shango was Carlos…as his conscience just couldn’t take it).
Dompig is a good guy – From the time I watched the special where Dompig floated the ‘died of overdose’ theory, I felt that he was a good guy…trying to get the word out in some fashion that wouldn’t allow the case to be cracked…but would at least position him as one who was pushing it to a conclusion (without getting his head cut off and burned). Remember, just after this interview it became known that Dompig would be leaving soon. He said to much…and implicated too much…he had to be removed.
Cohen….same deal. Told the truth about what happened that night and we never heard from him again. Cohen was a good guy who wanted to speak the truth…he’s out of a job and possibly decapitated and burned and we just haven’t heard about it.
It is very clear to me, that these two individuals ‘ratted’ out J2K the best they could without being killed. Too many high ups and corruption involved to fully spill the beans. They both talked and lost their jobs.
This is another one for De Vries to look into…..md
Joe Tacopina said Jossy Mansur was senile and a liar.
Jossy put up the video tacopina denied.
Who is the liar?
Tacopina once again.
Why does this country allow these defense attornies to lie, fabricate and prevaricate to no end?
Is tacopina the vds attorney at this point? If not, can he prevaricate for them?
klass your Christmas Tree is beautiful!~
Lets shoot off an email to Kimberly, the show was great!
Sadly, this article reminds me of the statements made by Deepak Kalpoe.
http:/www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/06/earlyshow/main919948.shtml
Deepak: You are truly a PIG!!!!!!!!!
kpg -
It Looks Like The Only Revenues Rolling Into Taco’s
Office At The Moment Are From Guest Media Spots -
Taco Will Never Collect From The Sloots -
The Brinkley Case Was A Bust -
Foxy Brown Fired Taco -
And The List Goes On…
Oppppps!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/06/earlyshow/main919948.shtm
Just something to get those brain juices going again especially for those that thought that the Kalpoes would be removed from the “hit list” of suspects.
Finally! Its been acknowledged by Peter & an Arubian investigative reporter officially calling it what it is!
A COVER UP by high ranking ALE & Officials who not only ignored & destroyed evidence but were willing to frame 2 men police knew had nothing to do with it. It was better to jail 2 innocent men than to hold their own local sons responsible for they did.
HaHaHa nychic!
Good to know JoeT is getting exactly what he deserves.
NOTHING!~
Bless Beth & Dave’s hearts. Can you even imagine the things that went thru their minds when this farce was in its first couple of weeks? Their little girl was GONE, last seen with Jurine & 2 Kalpukes, being driven away from C&C’s, her friends, her family……her very life. How out of one side of their mouth they were telling Beth, Dave & American viewers they were doing their jobs & cared about justice. While out the other side of their mouths they talk in circles & pretend they don’t see the obvious. Not much different than the way Jurine & Kalpoe’s reassured Natalee that she could trust them with her safety as they led her out of the bar the ALE and Justice Officials told us to trust them, to be patient & not to worry they were doing their jobs.
Deepak: May you rot in hell or jail (whichever comes first) you dirty, gang raping pig!!!!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/06/earlyshow/main919948.shtml
Beth, my hat’s off to you. In spite of all the abuse these perps were willing to dish out to you while thinking that their kingpen dad would get them off… you were always the lady. God will bless you and dry those tears.
My nickname is Beth but I’ll post as Elizabeth from now on so there is no confusion. This is the statement that I want you to remember:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/06/earlyshow/main919948.shtml
Perfect example of the heartache these three have put the family through while thinking that they would never be held responsible for their actions.
Write the Queen and Pray for justice.
…and just IN CASE somebody thought that heaving
wheelbarrow load of quivering patchouli S-T-I-N-K
Satish Kalpoe IS A TRUTH TELLER –
Think again, my fren.
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Quick Read:
A screen grab that’ll take
ya back in time to JUNE 2005!
http://tinyurl.com/ycqlm6
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He’s a lying sack of stink vine… he is, he is!!!
Satish Sharma IS HIS NAME; ASK ME AGAIN and I’ll
tell ya the same! –
or my name AIN’T…
Ernest T. Bass
-J4N
….OR WAS HE TELLING THE TRUTH, AND JORAN WAS LYING?
Well, now in THAT battle
Joran is lying hands down. No?
Joran lies with a wicked 3 / 4 mix.
75% from the left hand -
so as you ain’t gonna be EXPECTING the 25%
b1tch slap you’re fittin to
pick up from his right,
RIGHT?
READ- http://tinyurl.com/v2adw
-J4N
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Roy?
Hey, folks, there’s developments in South Africa. An article says that a few days ago, a French woman, who was there to judge some swimming event, and her Belgian boyfriend went out late at night against the recommendations of hotel security to walk on a beach.
They were assaulted; the woman was raped by members of the gang while the man was restrained. Tragic and horrible.
Well, there’s a story out today that certain tour groups are threatening to BOYCOTT SOUTH AFRICA unless and until justice is served. Four men have already been arrested, and some or all have appeared in court. Yet the tour groups are demanding that more be done.
Needless to say, the difference between the international reaction in THIS case and the utter inertia of, say, the American Society of Travel Agents in Natalee’s case couldn’t be more pronounced. Letter is forthcoming.
Carpe Noctem, don’t know how much the postage is, but whatever it is … it will be worth it.
If you want to go ultra-cheap, use an aerogram, one of those thin blue things that allow no enclosures. Unfortunately, if you do you’ll probably have to write the letter by hand. If I did that, it would puzzle everyone to figure out if it’s handwriting or the meanderings of a chicken.
(address)
December 11, 2006
Ms. Kathryn W. Sudeikis
President and Chief Executive
American Society of Travel Agents
1101 King St., Suite 200 Alexandria, VA 22314
Dear Ms. Sudeikis:
An overseas story in today’s news is of interest. Last week, a French woman who went to South Africa to attend a championship event of the World Paralympic Committee, along with a Belgian man, were assaulted late at night at a Durban beach by a gang while out walking. The woman suffered multiple sexual assaults while the man was restrained.
Four people have been arrested in relation to the attacks, and two have appeared in court.
This police action is called unusually swift for South Africa. Even so, according to a South African newspaper article today, international tour operators are threatening to boycott Durban; indeed, one operator has already unilaterally cancelled tours to the city.
Contrast this reaction to this tragedy with the inaction of your and other organizations in the Natalee Holloway disappearance. More than eighteen months after she vanished in Aruba, your association seems to preach business as usual, and the more of it, the better.
Perhaps South Africa is concerned that people will react to such tragedies by refusing to travel there. Perhaps, indeed, it fears that it may be compared with Aruba, where crimes against tourists are blamed on the tourists and their families even as locals are protected.
Tour operators, by their words and their actions, are demanding that South Africa take action to protect tourists and seek justice. Your association’s inaction has demonstrated its indifference to both. May your association and Aruba reap the response you deserve.
Sincerely,
(Richard)
#46, very nicely done, richard. keep it up.
dennisintn
#33 Mayon-moons…I agree kudo’s to Kimberly…she told it like it was and was not afraid to ask common sense questions…so glad it was not Greta!!
I would think that Joran, Paulus, Satish and Deepak and those who helped them to cover up the murder are all
starting to sweat…. They must have thought their dog and pony show would go on for ever…but the circus is about to close for good on these bad boys!!
I know justice for Natalee is just around the corner
)!!!
To Richard, nice writing as always. I to am happy that Kimberly was handling it. And not Greta. I still want to know why Karin Janssen won’t charge them with Obstruction?
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
Lest we forget why Paulas was arrested in the first place:
Talking to his son, while he was in custody, calling his friends to get their stories straight and, of course, having specific conversations with Joran about:
“No body, No crime”
Let us not EVER forget where we first heard that expression.
Kudos Carpe: Yes, Joran seems to be the obvious liar in that round….We can all sit here and recount lie after lie from J2K, Paulus, and most Arubans associated with the investigation. Would luv to here from Satish in Diario or where-ever his exact accounts of what transpired vs simply telling Joran “He needs to tell the truth”…. Wouldn’t hurt iffn Satish would do a little of that too! Prepared statements and coached videos don’t serve any of the boys too well.
KAREN JANSEN…you are under the microscope… Your non-action speaks volumes…You were suppose to be on the victims family side… Why did’nt you keep them informed.
I would NEVER want you to represent me or anyone else I cared about…shame on you!!
So, once again … doesn’t it seem that the inaction of Aruba signifies that someone of greater importance than a failed judge from the ditch is culpable?
And that this someone of greater importance has more than mere ceremonial weapons at his beck and call? Seems so to me.
one reason you don’t hear from karin janssen is that she is operating under a gag order from rudy croes, the justice minister. this is the same man who wouldn’t let janssen bring in the dutch early in the investigation and kept the f.b.i. on a tight leash while telling everyone who would listen that the f.b.i. was fully involved in the investigation. mr. croes, according to a dutch newspaper article detailing police reports in holland, who has stymied dutch investigations of money laundering, wholesale drug shipments, and the funneling of terrorist funds into s. america. oduber’s govt. did such a marvelous job of appointing mr. croes. he’s done wonders for the criminal element on aruba.
dennisintn
this information is in an article in the st. maarten newspaper in sept. of this year.
Do you have a link to that article, DennisIntl? Very interesting to see a Caribbean newspaper writing in this vein about the justice minister of a “friendly” country.
Makes one wonder how much is known down there….
31 KPG. I once got angry that Arlene Ellis-Schipper was on Greta van Sustern’s show and she was lying. I e-mailed Greta asking her why she didn’t call Arlene out on this and Greta e-mailed back “I just wish we could get answers.” :::shrug::: I find it difficult to listen to an interview where someone is clearly lying and the anchor says nothing.
#57, i’ll try to run it down, i backed into it the first time, but i don’t remember exactly how.
dennisintn
Justice for Natalee
http://tinyurl.com/yhq5y6
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testing 1, 2 3, 4
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Justice for Natalee
karin jannsen should be considered a suspect in this case. she has aided the suspects in this coverup as much as anyone. as well as oduber !
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Justice for Natalee
testing,,,
Check 1 2 3
Testing
Testing
#57, richard, first off, i’m the dumbest person on the face of the earth where computers are concerned. take a deep breath and bear with me.
if you go to http://www.thedailyherald.com website, scroll to the bottom of the page and hit “sample newspaper” you will get the july29, 2005 paper, page l0, article about friction between aruba and dutch authorities. that article paraphrases/quotes a dutch newspaper, “NRC Handelsblad”,
article titled “the criminal sides of a beautiful pearl”. since i can only read middle tennessee redneck english, i didn’t bother going any farther. the gist of the herald article is as i have given above.
dennisintn