More Lessons for Aruba, Rape of tourist in South Africa sparks boycott


Aruba, think there are not consequences to not properly investigating and prosecuting crimes? Sometimes there are consequences to the fact that a crime is even committed.  Jossy Mansur of Diario has indicated many times that the suspect statements indicate a sexual assault as Natalee Holloway was going “in and out of consciousness”.

Dompig confirmed that there is a sexual assault, he not only believes it, he confirmed it.   That is a great question we have all been asking ourselves, why have their not been arrests on sexual assault? (Jossy Mansur, The Line Up )

Maybe Aruba better learn a lesson from South Africa for travel tour operators are calling for a boycott due to the gang rape of a French tourist. They have at least arrested suspects in this case, what have you done Aruba?

International tour operators are threatening to “pull the plug” on Durban following the gang rape of a French tourist.

Quoting Alan Vels, the chairman of the Federated Hospitality Association of South Africa – East Coast (Fedhasa), a KwaZulu-Natal newspaper reported that one international tour operator had already cancelled tours to the city.

He told the newspaper that he was putting together a file of correspondence to give to the eThekwini municipality showing numerous tour operators stating their intention to remove Durban from their tours unless crime was attended to. (Sun Times)

The incident against the 26 year old official of a European swimming team attending the International Paralympic Committee’s Swimming World Championships was particularly heinous.

The 26-year old French national had decided to go for a walk with the Belgium swimming coach on Tuesday night when they were attacked near the city’s beach front paddling pools. The Belgian, a man, was allegedly held down while she was gang raped.

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  • Aruban Business Life hardly notice a boycott. So then why do they care?
  • Letters to the Editor to Caribbean Net News Regarding the Boycott of Aruba and Natalee Holloway

  • Comments

    70 Responses to “More Lessons for Aruba, Rape of tourist in South Africa sparks boycott”

    1. airgame12 on December 11th, 2006 1:53 pm

      I wrote a letter to the Queen back in early November, and this was the response I got today.

      Dear Mr. Phifer,

      Instructed by Her Majesty the Queen of the Netherlands, I have the honour to acknowlege reciept if your letter dated November 7, 2006.

      In accordance with Her Majesty’s wish, your letter has been forwarded to the Govener of Aruba.

      Her Majesty thanks you most sincerely for you kind wishes.

      Your faithfully,

      Mrs. N. Van De Pol
      for the director of the Queens office

    2. MIss-Underestimated on December 11th, 2006 2:00 pm

      So did the information ever get to the prosecutor?
      What is the chain of command, and who is responsible for getting that information to the Judge?

      What a total farce, Aruba you have blamed Beth Twitty for running and ruining your investigation, go ahead and point that finger at her, because 4 fingers are pointing directly back at you Aruba, this does not appear to be inept, it appears to be covered up.

      Perfuming those pigs again?

    3. JusticeforNatalee on December 11th, 2006 2:39 pm

      If Janssen prosecutes now for molestation/rape, can she later prosecute for murder if Natalee’s body or other new evidence is found?

      Aruban talking heads have led us to believe that Janssen has one shot.
      Is this true or part of the misinformation campaign?

      After all, Janssen would not be prosecuting for the same crime, so why would it be called double jeopardy?

      Does anyone know Dutch law on this issue? Thanks in advance.

    4. JusticeforNatalee on December 11th, 2006 2:46 pm

      The Queen and Minister of Justice need to hear from us again.

      We need to point out specific areas of conflict of interest, corruption, and coverup. We need to be specific and supply names.

      The Queen/Minister also need to know that Aruban officials are NOT rectifying the matter. Hence, Dutch officials need to intervene, investigate, and set the matter straight.

      Also, the reputation of the Netherlands is being damaged by Aruba’s failure to administer justice in Natalee’s case.

    5. Carpe Noctem on December 11th, 2006 2:47 pm

      Aruba makes me wanna hurl, dude.





    6. Robert on December 11th, 2006 2:48 pm

      #1 airgame.

      Sorry, I didn’t know the Queen had a special represantative for Aruba: governor mr. Fredis Refunjol. (Aruba apparently is one off the islands with a different status in the whole of the Netherlands Antilles. The status of different islands over the years, and again recently, has changed again and again; there’s ongoing discussion about that.)

      I quote from the site of the Dutch Home-office: “… The government of Aruba is formed by a governer and the – Aruban – Council of Ministers. The Queen appoints the governer who in turn appoints the ministers. The governer has a double-function: he’s both head of the – Aruban – government as well as representative of the Royal House. …”

      But clearly letters to the Queen are sent forward to the Governer.

    7. MIss-Underestimated on December 11th, 2006 2:49 pm

      If they tried them for rape and then murder, logic says it is two different crimes? I wonder though, that if she brings rape charges and loses then how does that help a murder case?

      Or if the rape case went to court and they had a chance to get them to court, could you then, if evidence prevails make charges of murder?

    8. Robert on December 11th, 2006 3:00 pm

      #1 & #4

      And it’s even more complex than that:
      - There’s a special Aruban minister that takes part in meetings of the Dutch government concerning Aruban matters (I knew that).
      - And the Dutch minister off Internall affairs and Kingdomrelations a.o. “has the task of the developement and execution of the policy of the Netherlands with regard to the Neth. Antilles and Aruba.”

    9. MIss-Underestimated on December 11th, 2006 3:11 pm


      Arubas own family prickly cacti….

    10. MIss-Underestimated on December 11th, 2006 3:25 pm

      Why does/did Mr. Dompig keep changing his story too?

      Mr. Dompig is supposed to be a professional, huh?

      Mr. Dompig, what did Michael really mean?

    11. MIss-Underestimated on December 11th, 2006 3:37 pm

      I think Deepak has a new photo of himself on his myspace.

    12. MIss-Underestimated on December 11th, 2006 4:09 pm
    13. JusticeforNatalee on December 11th, 2006 4:19 pm

      Thanks, Robert.

      I am reluctant to send any letters directly to Aruba–they might be ignored or LOST.

      I prefer to contact Dutch officials and let them lower the boom!

    14. Carpe Noctem on December 11th, 2006 4:48 pm

      LOL Miss U -


      DEEPAK is lying about

      being in Miami,FL USA…

      on his MY SPACE page – see #12 -

      ( Right G-Man? ) We need to track that down.

      He’s the suspect in a high profile missing person -
      possible murder case on an American
      in his country of Aruba.

      If he is truthfully in Miami, FL

      we need to hunt him down
      like the sniveling,
      insignificant, little
      can of Spam
      that he is.

      …and we need to help him
      bring him to Jesus. IMHO


    15. Rafael on December 11th, 2006 5:49 pm

      He should have raped her in Aruba. Then he could have confessed then changed his story and gotten out of jail in time for Christmas.

    16. Tazman on December 11th, 2006 7:09 pm

      Ugly picture deepak. You gotta pin those ears back. You ain’t Spock ya know!!

    17. Elizabeth on December 11th, 2006 7:09 pm

      No body, No crime?!?!?!?!?

      I wonder….. Was Paulas a judge in training ALL this time?

      Paulas: I hope they nail you and all your raping and murdering thugs with you.

      Shame on Aruba, but BIG, BIG shame on you to Holland for ever having this perverted piece of shit anywhere near a courthouse!

    18. Elizabeth on December 11th, 2006 7:20 pm


      Don’t worry about it. We are going to write the Queen, afterall, I think the consensus is that anything that goes directly to Aruba is liable to end up in the trash. She may not like all that mail coming to her, but surely she will understand our position that Aruba is not to be trusted. Aruba has lied at EVERY junction. Besides, if she is any bit as good as you say, she may find the need to personally deliver the mail to her associates in Aruba, be it the Governor or whoever.

      Again, we thank you.

      Does Aruba ever ACTUALLY prosecute people?

    19. diverboy on December 11th, 2006 7:24 pm

      Deepak? Miami?…yeah right…pretty soon it will be the big house for 8 yrs and then back to Suriname….tic toc tic toc……

    20. diverboy on December 11th, 2006 7:29 pm

      …..unless of course Joran finds a way to dump the whole enchilada exclusively on you, Deepak…then what? hmmm…Joran is not capable of doing you wrong now is he? what are buddies for, heh?

    21. Elizabeth on December 11th, 2006 8:06 pm

      #7 – Missunderstood:

      I wish I knew. My guess is that the prosecutor could file multiple charges against the perps ie. Rape, Assault, Sexual Assault, Kidnapping and Murder provided that the evidence could support such charges. Then there would be a determination of innocence or guilt for each of the charges seperately. The problem that I have is that it seems that it has been over a year since the murder charges were supposedly filed against these guys and what? They are in Holland, Miami or God only knows WHERE! It seems that they are everywhere but where they should be.

      Maybe Robert could better explain the legal system in Aruba as it is my understanding that it is similar to that of Holland and from the looks of it, it is nothing like the justice system of the U.S.

      Robert: Do they EVER prosecute people in Aruba?

    22. Richard on December 11th, 2006 8:15 pm

      So Robert, could you give us ALL the addresses? Maybe one letter to Her Majesty and copies all along the line to the also-rans (sorry, don’t mean to take the Dutch government lightly!).

      In re the above article … isn’t it interesting that South Africa has arrested four people and brought two to court for the assaults, which took place just about a WEEK ago.

      And yet the international tour operators aren’t satisfied.

      And the French woman didn’t even vanish … sorry, again I’m not meaning to diminish the importance of this in any way. It’s a horrible tragedy. Yet Natalee has seemingly been taken off the face of the Earth … and Aruba is still doing what? NOTHING.

      See the letter I wrote earlier today. These tour operators are raising a fuss; WHAT is the American Society of Travel Agents doing about Natalee’s case? NOTHING.

      WHAT is our government doing? NOTHING (so far as I know).

    23. Carpe Noctem on December 11th, 2006 8:24 pm

      Yep, Deepak Alpo is in Miami, FL USA.

      …and this afternoon,

      we managed to snap off this picture

      of his roommate!

      ——– ;-)


    24. IndyDan on December 11th, 2006 8:30 pm

      #18 Elizabeth – I think the appearance of a legal structure is just that – an appearance. Those in control are there to feed off the criminal activity in one way or another.
      They don’t prosecute, anyone who gets out of line gets a not so pleasant reminder of who is in control.
      The corrupt judges, the corrupt network involving the entire legal system has worked successfully for so long that now none of them really know what to do with this real crime that won’t go away.
      They all just want to sit back and act dumb hoping someone will step up. No one wants to turn on their buddy whom they’ve played the game with for years.
      It’s like a car full of 16 year olds stopped and caught with a bag of pot, they’d rather all go down than one of them squeal on another.

    25. Elizabeth on December 11th, 2006 8:37 pm

      Robert, poor, poor Robert:

      You are so sweet to provide us with this information.
      Please don’t be put off by our over-enthusiastic ways.
      We are just so tired of the run-around that the Aruban
      government has given us and as you probably know, we
      feel that we may be running out of time.

      With all the questions that we ask and all the comments
      that we make concerning the way that things are done in
      Aruba, we could keep you busy for months. Please don’t
      take anything that we might say personally. We are just
      like you or anyone that would be somewhat disillusioned
      by having to learn the hard way that there are more than
      one way of skinning a cat. Besides, we are eager to re-
      educatate ourselves if that’s what it takes to assure
      justice for our Natalee.

      Please help us if you can and never forget how much we
      appreciate it.

    26. Maggie on December 11th, 2006 9:01 pm

      It’s a safe assumption when Natalee has not been seen in 18 months on the small island of Aruba since the night she was in the car with those three and they have repeatedly lied and obstructed this case along with Joran’s father, it’s safe to assume Natalee is not alive. Last time she was seen by anyone was in the car with those 3, Cops can tell us she’s dead. I have yet to see how cops can come up with Natalee overdosed and the 3 panicked?!

      Joran served her up a 75 proof rum drink on her way out of the bar. I don’t believe much else he says, so why should I believe he didn’t spike it. He’s done this 20 times before and nothing went wrong according to him. Who goes out on a date and your date passes out or needs medical help and you take them out and dump them at sea or bury them? Noone that I know of. No logic whatsoever. The only time I seen anything like that is when up by my sister about 10 years ago some guys gave an underage boy whiskey and dared him to drink it fast. He did and passed out and they dumped him in the alley when they got scared. He was taken by ambulance to the hospital when he was found and was in ICU for a week from an overdose. They didn’t bury him or hide him, they dropped him where he could be found. The only reason anyone would hide a body where it can’t be found is because of evidence that would lead back to them and as Boden said overdose deaths are slow deaths and if you don’t go for help during that time, how can it be an accident?

    27. hummingbird7525 on December 11th, 2006 9:12 pm

      The slim Depak is online now according to his myspace acct.

    28. hummingbird7525 on December 11th, 2006 9:13 pm

      oops, well depak is slim but I think we all know I meant slime

    29. JusticeforNatalee on December 11th, 2006 10:19 pm

      22 Good idea Richard. One letter to Queen Beatrix and copies to everyone else.

    30. JusticeforNatalee on December 11th, 2006 10:31 pm


      Maggie, I agree with you.

      How can it be an accident? It can’t be. At least, it can’t be “just” an accident.

      Maybe the intention was not to kill Natalee. But I think most of us can agree that there was an intent to TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HER. Most likely, the
      date-rape drugs or some type of struggle resulted in Natalee’s death.

      I don’t buy that Joran panicked and didn’t know what to do. Baloney! He could have called 911; people in a panic call 911 all the time. It’s the first thing people in emergencies think of –call for help! At least, when they WANT to help someone.

      The panic wasn’t for Natalee’s sake. It was panic about getting caught in their misdeeds and being incarcerated for it.

    31. JusticeforNatalee on December 11th, 2006 10:38 pm

      If Joran and the Kalpoes had wanted to help Natalee, they could have even left her somewhere and phoned it in anonymously.
      “There is a girl in distress at such and such location.”

      They made no attempt to get help for her.

    32. yoyo muffintop on December 11th, 2006 10:46 pm

      You’re right Maggie, how could the cops come up with an idiotic overdose/panic theory when it makes much more sense that J2K kidnapped for beastiality/gang rape by PJ2K+GVS+newguyorguysoftheday/sacraficed/snuff movie/raped by PM O himself/4 country(including US) coverup/etc/etc/etc…
      Yeah, you’re right, “overdosed & boys panicked theory” is utterly ridiculous.

    33. Elizabeth on December 11th, 2006 10:47 pm

      Maggie (#26):

      It’s as clear as mud that Joran’s attorney, Taco, is spreading this business about an accidental overdose in another attempt to white-wash the cold blooded murder committed against Natalee by his client. They can call it anything they like; but, believe me, her friends and family know what happened.

      Through the help of many, most of them strangers, the truth can and will be known for all those that take the time to look. While it’s true that Joran had drugged countless women and girls before he, like so many other psychopaths, was on a spiraling journey to the depths of insanity. Each time was more risky and ever more violent. This is just another ploy for Joran and Company to shift the blame on someone else or to make EVERYTHING that they did seem like it was either an accident or the fault of the victim.

      Her friends and family know the truth and they can handle this part of a prosecution as that is to be expected, the lying and excuse-making. But the thing that has been the hardest on all of us is the fact that the people whose job it is to investigate and prosecute these criminals seem to have their own defense mechanisms that kick in and they, too, are stuck in this mode of avoiding the responsibility that comes with their jobs or as we like to call it “passing the buck”.

      From day one, they were passing the buck. They never looked for Natalee, we did. They never confronted the family, we did. If her family had not gone to Aruba, no one would have been questioned. They only did it because the family was there. That was the reason for the boycott. Someone had to stop the steady stream of innocent people from coming to the island because it was apparent to everyone (including the F.B.I.) that this was “status quo” for these people. Afterall, what better time to abduct someone than the very day that all her friends are leaving.

      To me, what is the most alarming is that this happens all the time; the perfect execution of a crime. In every vacation spot in the world you will find this type of crime, but in no part of the world will you find a government that condones it as was the case in Aruba. You expect the suspects to lie and you may even expect some parents to lie to protect their children; but who would have expected the police, the investigators, the prosecutors and even the judges to lie?

      We all know that Natalee is gone. What has started out as a search for the “missing” has turned into a battle with the legal system in a foreign country and finally into a quest to do everything that we can to see that it doesn’t happen again. We may never stop the psychopaths out there, in Aruba or anywhere, but we do intend to stop the injustice that comes from being an island that not only knows about the crimes executed against unsuspecting tourists, but also allows it. How many times had they heard “rumors” as they like to call them about Joran and Company? How many girls had reported the gang-rape activities that Joran and Company were operating, but most profoundly, how many girls DIDN’T report it? They knew Joran did it. They knew that Joran is a psychopath and they probably knew that Natalee was gone. We all looked like fools running around trying to get to the information that they knew, all too well, for way too long.

      They laughed at us and for that they will never, ever, ever be forgiven.

    34. JusticeforNatalee on December 11th, 2006 10:47 pm


      Your help is VERY much appreciated on this board.

    35. Elizabeth on December 11th, 2006 11:19 pm

      Listen to IndyDan – He knows. Corruption is an
      understatement. Sexually explicit crimes are a
      past-time there. Virtually nothing is illegal,
      not really. Cat houses, bath houses, massage
      parlors… everything and everybody is game.

      That’s the stuff they don’t tell you when you are
      seeking out a nice place to vacation.

    36. yoyo muffintop on December 12th, 2006 12:19 am

      Elizabeth – How many girls reported the gang rape activities or Joran & company: Zero. How many didn’t report it: Zero. Rumors,rumors,rumors…

    37. Elizabeth on December 12th, 2006 12:49 am

      Yo Yo: I wish you could go bye bye. Although I am thoroughly disgusted with your comment, I have neither
      the strength nor the desire to argue with the likes of
      you. You are like salt being rubbed into our wounds.
      How does it make you feel to know that you can rape US
      with your words?

    38. dave on December 12th, 2006 1:02 am

      Elizabeth, yo yo is a TROLL ignore it.

    39. Richard on December 12th, 2006 6:15 am

      If Tacopino is spreading such reports, let him detail his facts. Or is Joran vdS admitting involvement in drugs?

      Elizabeth (#33), remember the Austrian girl who was held in a cellar for some eight years. And remember Amy Bradley, who vanished from a cruise ship in Curacao in March 1998, the morning after her ship was docked at Aruba and some staff members on the ship wanted to take her out to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies.

      There continue to be reported sightings of Amy, including some that are recent, and efforts on her behalf continue.

      I’m not yet prepared to abandon the idea that somewhere in the few hours between Natalee’s getting in the car and being taken away and the re-appearance of the Three Scumbags, she wasn’t handed over to somebody else, possibly members of the “Pimps” or their drug contacts. And from there was taken off the island.

      That wouldn’t prove that she is still alive, of course.

      I can’t cite any evidence to prove this idea, and it may well be wrong. Certainly, if you adhere to Occam’s Razor, the old adage that says the simplest solution to things is the best, then this scenario would be unlikely.

      But it seems that something is going on in Aruba that defies explanation. Anyway, let’s hope we find out.

    40. Richard on December 12th, 2006 6:32 am

      By the way, an article said last night that the new president of Mexico has directed that army troops be sent to fight the drug traffickers.

      Shades of Goldfinger, I know … but apparently in parts of Mexico the drug traffickers are not only powerful, they are directly running things. They have taken over the whole superstructure of government, and are in charge of certain areas.

      Any relevance to Natalee Holloway? The power that drug traffickers have in the Caribbean is well known, but this latest move on the part of the new Mexican president is a pretty dramatic statement. We’ll see what happens ….

    41. vicki on December 12th, 2006 9:26 am

      Carpe, Is deepak really in miami?If so how can that be? Richard, maybe and this is stretching my imagination, but what if Natalee is in Plainview,Florida? as in shango”what you seek is not hidden, its in plainview…not in plain sight but in plainview???Why did papasweat go to florida soon after Natalee went missing???Just a thought and hope….

    42. airgame12 on December 12th, 2006 10:32 am

      YoYo is really John Kerry in disguise. You can easily tell this by the troll like looks and the way IT flip flops on the issues!!

    43. viet vet on December 12th, 2006 10:40 am

      Yoyo is related to Joran. Only trying to help the family out some. Do we need to send you a good laxative Yoyo?

    44. MIss-Underestimated on December 12th, 2006 11:25 am

      How is 1906 doing?

    45. SUPER DAVE on December 12th, 2006 11:38 am

      yoyo muffinbreath der sloot ?

    46. dennisintn on December 12th, 2006 12:01 pm

      how’s the big strike coming on aruba today? seems like the unions don’t want to pay the new sales tax after the first of the year. they much prefer some way of making the tourist pay for their government. somehow “leech” comes to mind. wonder why that is?

    47. Elizabeth on December 12th, 2006 12:45 pm

      This theory of accidental overdose is just a ploy to generate sympathy. It doesn’t fit! Afterall, if that were the case then why would there be this immediate response by Joran’s father to get rid of the evidence?

      If Natalee was simply a victim of a gang rape gone wrong, where did the blood come from? There was BLOOD! Remember the blood in the back seat of Deepaks car? While Taco will have you believe that this was a non-violent drug rape, that Natalee simply fell asleep in a peaceful, restful manner that would have been more like a coma, he would be hard-pressed to try to explain blood that was found IN Joran’s shoes that were found on the beach!

    48. Carpe Noctum on December 12th, 2006 12:49 pm

      LOL VV.


      Knock Knock…

      Who is there?

      Nelson Oduber

      with his hand out again!

      BOYCOTT ARUBA people


    49. Elizabeth on December 12th, 2006 1:29 pm

      Remember the duct tape that was found on the beach with blonde hairs on it?

      If Natalee was drugged, why the gag?

      There was no panic. This crime was premeditated and executed methodically.

    50. Carpe Noctem on December 12th, 2006 8:28 pm

      DEAD BODY 24 SLIDE –







      This was one of the better slides…

      clearly shows a pair of hands – frozen time -

      in the classic ‘defensive position.’


    51. yoyo muffintop on December 12th, 2006 8:35 pm

      Elizabeth – huh?
      *hair on duct tape – sent to fbi, not natalee’s.
      *PVDS immediate response to get rid of evidence – what are you talking about? He immediately got rid of what?
      *blood found IN jorans shoes – no shoes found. again, what are you talking about?
      *blood in the car – not blood. sent to a lab, determined not blood. Of course I am sure you heard a rumor about an fbi agent saying it looked like blood so therefore it is. again, what are you talking about?

      But go on with some cocamamy “theory” of a 2 continent/4 country cover-up, fits much better.

    52. Sharon Chicago on December 12th, 2006 9:06 pm

      Any day now…we are getting closer and closer for justice for Natalee…Thank God…

      I think the killers know that they will not get away with this murder…. Too much evidence… They will go down and
      serve their time for their crime!!

    53. Betty on December 12th, 2006 11:17 pm

      Is it possiable they sold Natalle after they were threw with her>????? put her on a boat and sent her out of Aruba they have searched every where but Vander sloots property and the way there laws are they may never get to

    54. Elizabeth on December 13th, 2006 12:45 am

      Betty: It is possible. I suppose anything is possible. Aruba is known for its’ sex slave operations. It is a most disgusting and corrupt place. There is no peace or happy when it comes to Aruba, especially if you’re a girl. Many of it’s female occupants are either prostitutes, call girls or massage therapists. It is a “totally” male-oriented society where women are viewed as nothing more than an object. It is also an island whose chief dictators are members of a secret society or mafia.

      Is that a problem in Aruba? Yes. Do I think that’s what happened to Natalee, no. What happened in Aruba was nothing shy of pure evil in the mind and heart of a true psychopath and corruption on the part of an island that, truly, does not welcome roving eyes. They don’t want any attention. They are owned and operated Holland.

      We got all this blood everywhere. Yo Yo, isn’t it true that those bloody items were never sent to the United States to be tested? In the case of the hair on the duct tape and the blood that was found in Deepak’s car, those items were tested in Aruba, correct? Aruba, the island of a thousand schemes.

    55. Richard on December 13th, 2006 6:43 am

      Elizabeth, even YoYo can be right once in a thousand years. I guess that is in accordance with the theory of random events: i.e., give six monkeys … um, let’s say six walruses … enough typewriters, enough paper and enough time, and at some point they will produce the Encyclopedia Britannica.

      I believe that the duct tape and hair were tested both in the Netherlands and by the FBI. I remember reading that the FBI said the hair was not Natalee’s. I too initially thought that Natalee had been bound and gagged and taken off in a boat. And I still think it’s very plausible that she was indeed handed over to drug associates of the “Pimps.”

      I won’t go into the whole thing again, but I’ve posted on previous threads my reasons for thinking this.

      Incidentally, injections of heroin at suitable intervals will also keep someone sedated. There was a case here in Vermont some years ago where a guy kept his girlfriend captive for a few days in the middle of one of Vermont’s biggest cities (which isn’t saying much, I know).

      I wouldn’t have any idea how to do this. But a drug lord would.

    56. Bow on December 13th, 2006 12:02 pm

      #54. Why offend the female residents in Aruba?????
      It look like only prostitutes, call girls etc.. are living in Aruba. I am living here with my wife and 2 daughters so you are offending them and me. I am sure you never have been on this Island and keep it that way. Please attack the ALE or suspects but not the whole Island. Aruba is a lovely place to live unfortunately sometimes bad things happen and in this case IF something bad really happened. Because for me Natalee is still missing.

    57. Elizabeth on December 13th, 2006 2:02 pm

      Bow: I tried to respond to your comment, but it looks like my response got lost.

      Anyone that has a wife and two children is aware of our pain. Ever temporarily lose your child in the mall or grocery store? While you are searching, you are fighting off all those bad thoughts of what “could” have happened? Well, this child has not been found and we have wrestled with our fears for far too long.

      I’m sorry that you are offended, but there will be no stone unturned until we find her.

      And… just for your information, I have been to Aruba.

    58. Bow on December 13th, 2006 4:24 pm

      Elizabeth: Of course I am aware of the pain and will go crazy if she was my daughter. But believe me for a lot of people in Aruba this is a never ending nightmare.
      What I am trying to say is: Be reasonable girls go missing everywhere. The average in Aruba don’t have a clue what happened but want this solved! It is not our fault Natalee’s family can’t have a closure. We understand the suffer completely but are at the mercy of the prosecutors/judges of Aruba, Curacao and Netherlands.
      Criticize them but please do not humiliate the average people of Aruba.
      So you have been in Aruba and you didn’t like the Island?
      What did you not like? The sex slave business? Come on, you can be serious. Give me a name and I will inform the authorities and Diario/Jossy at once!!
      I never had bad experience and for me it is an excellent place to live.

    59. Elizabeth on December 13th, 2006 7:40 pm

      Bow: Ofcourse, I liked it. It is beautiful there. I was a bit put off by all the sexual artifacts that are readily seen out in the open and a bit put off by all the adds, even in our hotel directory on where to get a beautiful, young lady to come to our hotel for a massage, including couples (specifically). Gambling was never my forte, so didn’t care much for that. Besides, I wasn’t on vacation.

      I hope by now, you kinda get my drift. Aruba is just like any other place, it has its’ good and its’ bad. But if you want me to come up with names? I, like, many Americans who spend their money and time incarcerating our criminals are clueless to the trouble that you have there. I will readily admit to that.

      As an Aruban, can you tell me… do they ever actually have open court there? Why is it that your system allows so much of what it does to be held in such secrecy? Do they ever actually prosecute or atleast try to?

      What do you think happened to Natalee?

    60. Richard on December 13th, 2006 9:01 pm

      Bow, what is the thinking of the people on Aruba? To those of us watching from afar, it seems that apathy is total; they no longer know or care, they take no action to impel their legal system to do something … why not? Are they afraid of something? The drug traffickers, perhaps?

      Do they think that half the government is in cahoots with the underworld?

      Don’t they realize that every day the Aruban government tries to bury its head in the sand and pretend that the Natalee Holloway case is over, it only makes Aruba more repugnant to the outside world?

      I would love to hear your ideas on these questions, because it seems that Aruba is a closed book.

    61. Richard on December 13th, 2006 9:04 pm

      By the way, Bow, doesn’t it disturb you that Carlos ‘n’ Charlies is known even to police as a place where drinks are drugged? Or do you figure it doesn’t matter, so long as it “only” happens to tourists?

      Do you know that Amy Bradley, the night before she vanished from her cruise ship as it was docked in Curacao in March 1998, had been asked by crew members to go with them to Carlos ‘n’ Charlies specifically? What do you think that betokens?

    62. Bow on December 13th, 2006 10:19 pm

      Elizabeth: If the prosecutor charges e.g. Joran/Kalpoes with murder, rape etc.. and take this case to court normally it will be an open court session for everybody. It is not permitted to take pictures, tape or filming but the press and family of NH can attend the court session.
      The secrecy in this case is because at the moment nobody is charged yet and the prosecutor is afraid if they let too much information go public the accused and their lawyers can take advantage. Believe me we have here some slying lawyers that can give the prosecutors hard time in court. I think the prosecutor cannot build a strong case yet, they cannot charge with murder or rape because they don’t have hard evidence and if they charge anyway and loose the case it will be almost impossible to charge the same men for the same fault.

      What I think happened to NH?
      First of all I don’t think this is a coverup. ALE will not sacrifice the whole Island for 1 or 2 families. We are not that simple! Everybody I asked if they ever should know what happened will run asap to the police. But we just don’t know!!

      My very personal opinion is that NH that night when she was with Joran or afterwards went to swim in the sea (remember she was a little bit drunk) and for one reason or other drifted out to open sea and drown.
      The lies of Joran is because he saw all this happened and didn’t help her and feel guilty about that.

    63. Elizabeth on December 13th, 2006 11:18 pm


      Have you heard anything about there possibly being a psychopath on the island that may be abducting young women or girls?

      I sorta think that maybe Natalee is a victim of a mad man. I know that you have a drug problem down there, as we all do, but have you heard of anyone’s girls being beaten and raped? Or drugged for sex? You know, innocent girls?

    64. yoyo muffintop on December 14th, 2006 12:27 am

      Richard – if you’re are still checking this out, check this out. Let me state I have nothing to remotely prove any of this true, zero.
      I am sure you’ve said it before but I cannot remember, what is your take on the number of fbi agents on the island in less than a week? 13 that we know of. Massive # would be 25+, so 13 is at least Huge. A current investigation compromised? Same MO of another crime we don’t know about? Request by that DEA guy after seeing ALE bungle?
      13 agents is a lot of fbi – your thoughts?

    65. Richard on December 14th, 2006 6:02 am

      63 … Elizabeth, there are a number of such cases on Aruba. One American couple was drugged in a casino, some years back; the woman was taken out to the desert and raped.

      A few women have been assaulted in the parking lot of Carlos ‘n’ Charlies. And just around the same time that Natalee vanished (I don’t remember exactly, but I think that it was a week before or after) another American tourist near the Fishermen’s Huts fought off an attempted kidnapping.

      Needless to say, no arrests in any of the cases.

      You ask about a psychopath … consider the name of the group that constituted the one tie of Joran and the Kalpoes, who otherwise had little or nothing in common. That group is the “Pimps,” and we know what pimps do.

      Consider also that PvdScum took Joran’s Website down soon after he was brought in to police. That to me says something about the ethics of this potential judge … it also suggests that something more was going on that he didn’t want the world to see.

      If the Pimps had decided to abduct and assault a foreign girl, as I believe is the case here, they then had to do something with the victim. Handing her over to one of their drug contacts, or selling her, is a sick, psychotic way of demonstrating their power … literally, their command of life and death.

      Don’t know if this is what happened, but I think it’s a definite possibility. And that whoever their contact is seems to exert some kind of power that is intimidating the constabulary and legal system of Aruba.

      Bow, I notice that you didn’t respond to any of my questions; of course, you’re under no obligation to do so.

      The issue with the FBI agents was not their numbers, but that Nelson Oduber initially opposed bringing them in (he said the case would be solved in a week), and that they were given no chance to take part in anything meaningful.

    66. Elizabeth on December 14th, 2006 1:46 pm


      Thank you for the information. Those are “known” cases of abductions, rapes and attempted kidnappings.

      How bad the people of Aruba must feel to be caught in the middle of this.


      What I mean to ask you is if you have heard of any local girls that have been tortured and sexually assaulted. The Drug Lords and the Pimps have the good, average Aruban scared stiff to report anything including attacks on their own families.

      Bow, I appreciate your frankness and the fact that you would call the police if you knew anything. But have you heard of any stories that have not been reported to the police or have been reported but not followed up?

    67. Bow on December 14th, 2006 2:38 pm

      #60 Richard, it is not that Aruba doesn’t care. Most of Arubians think the authorities don’t know how to solve the case and feel bad about that.
      I don’t know if you understand but it is like people want this solved but don’t know how and wait and see! Maybe this is a bad attitude. And if it will keep tourist away it’s a pity.
      People are not afraid, as I said before if somebody knows something he/she will contact the authorities. The reward is still on.

      Cahoots with the underworld? Please, no I don’t think so! The actual government is not my favorite but ties with the underworld? No and I hope it never happen.
      NH case is not over yet remember Joran/Kalpoes are still suspects as per ruling of the judge. I really think ALE want to solve the case but as many of you think I also think ALE botched the case from the beginning. My personal opinion: it is now difficult to find out what really happened that night.

      The street outside Carlos ‘n Charlies is known as a selling place for drugs.
      Police are aware and now and then they make a clean sweep.
      I always ask and beg my daughters not to leave your drink alone for a second and always go with a buddy. Maybe in CC drinks are drugged but incidental. Inside CC is not known as a free port for drugs.

      I don’t know the story well of Amy Bradley. She vanished from the ship between Aruba and Curacao. But you know: what have American tourists with Carlos ‘n Charlies????
      They like that place! When locals go out is CC one of the last places to hang out if I have to believe my daughters.
      What can happen is that bums buy drugs outside CC, chase a girl inside with all its consequences.

    68. Elizabeth on December 14th, 2006 3:33 pm

      So what you are saying is that there ARE cases of locals being drugged inside of C.C. That was always my suspicion. Do you or your daughters or their friends know of anybody that “unknowingly” frequented that bar with dire circumstances?

      Bow, I’ll be honest with you. I don’t think that Natalee simply went swimming and vanished. I think that what happened to Natalee is something that has been done before. I think that she had been drugged and later raped and murdered.

      Is there any way in which you could help us? We need to find other victims to these crimes that can possible tie the suspects to this type of activity. Unfortunately, that may mean that we need to search for survivors. Many of the victims are sure to be scared, especially if they were in any way tortured.

      Have you heard anything about either of the Van der Sloots or the Kalpoes being involved in taping or taking pictures of girls? There have been reports here, in the United States, that these three have been involved in this sort of thing.

      And if I can please, without meaning any disrespect, have you heard any stories about the father, Paulus, in particular? Either being involved with skirt chasing or in dirty dealings with drug dealers or pulling of strings in any cases before the court?

      I’m sure your daughters are beautiful. Tell them to be careful, as beauty can be both a blessing and a curse. I can tell by the things that you say that you are a very good father.

      Please feel free to brouse anywhere you like on this site. Perhaps you will come to understand the concerns that many people have in regards to Aruba and their children.

    69. Bow on December 14th, 2006 4:27 pm

      Elizabeth, I have never heard of local girls been tortured and raped in the last years.
      I have a big family and if something like that happened I would know.
      Rarely I read in newspapers of women being sexually molested.
      And it is also sometimes difficult to prove. I know of a man accused of sexually molested his own minor daughter. He denied but finally the judge found him guilty and went to prison. What a rotten bastard!

      About Joran: Before what happened that night he was popular among the girls. Now I don’t know if he still has friends here in Aruba. A few girls have spoken in his favor like a nice guy, funny etc.. About Paulus I don’t know him and never have heard of him until now.

    70. Elizabeth on December 14th, 2006 9:02 pm

      Thank You So Much, Bow!

      We really appreciate anything that you can do to help us find our Natalee. Maybe, someday, we will all come to Aruba to see the true beauty of your island.

      God Bless You!

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