Suspect Hearing Case in Aruba Concludes … Joran Van der Sloot, Kalpoes & Security Guards Wait for Decision


According to sources in Aruba, the hearing to determine whether the suspects will continue to Aruba 3 suspectsremain suspects is over. There has been no decision made yet and one will not be made until next week. The hearing, according to sources was for all five remaining suspects: Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, Satish Kalpoe and the two security guards. What good reason is there to make an exception and take the primary suspects off a suspect list when by law the prosecutors have 2 years? Who does it serve? A lot can happen in six months, who is to say it won’t? So why do these three deserve to be an exception to the rule? Is that the precedent Aruba wishes to create? Or the perception they wish to put forth to the world?

Come to Aruba … disappear … never to be seen from again … and even though we have 2 years to prosecute suspects … we will let the last three people ever seen in your company off and not consider them suspects … why? Because we are Aruba and protect our own.

The hearing took place behind closed doors in front of Judge H.C. Smid, who is the judge that ruled previously on the same petition from the Kalpoe Brothers and Joran Van der Sloot, and denied their request. The media was not allowed in the court room during the proceedings. Why they make this any more clandestine and secretive than its been since the beginning is a mystery. Of course …why start now Aruba? Who would take Joran “fauxtograph” Van der Sloot off a suspect list? So what was the gist of the defense’s argument as to why they are seeking a ruling? One that actually makes no sense. How does the defense know or can know what the Prosecution will do in the future? Do the defense attorney’s have a magic 8 ball? Although one does begin to wonder if this is actually how decisions are made there.


We understand that the main argument of the defense is that the Prosecution has not, after a year and a half, presented its case in court. The defense doesn’t see any reason why the suspects should remain as such after that prolonged period of time.

How is it a prolonged period of time if the law states the prosecution has 2 years? One would think that with less than 6 months to go until they are taken off the suspect list as, what’s the hurray? If by Dutch law that can keep individuals as suspects for 2 years, then what’s the rush? Why have the guideline in place then? This is one of the most high profile cases and has major implications to Aruba and their perception as caring whether they take crime or investigations seriously.

The Dutch police are supposed to be looking at the Natalee Holloway case as a cold case. Peter de Vries just recently did a rather controversial TV show in Holland regarding Natalee’s disappearance. Now the defense wants all suspects removed from the list? Draw your own conclusions.

We have stated this fact many times and it rings most true today and will next week upon the judges decision. After 18 months of terrible press, inaction and cover up in dealing with the Natalee Holloway case, the last thing Aruba needs is to now show that they are making exceptions to their own laws to take the three main suspects off the list. Legally it makes no sense and financially it will be devastating.

What’s good for the three suspects, is terrible for Aruba.

UPDATE: Jossy Mansur emailed me and made the following comments regarding todays hearing and how he feels about the case in general.

There wouldn’t be any harm really if the Judge decides to terminate their status of suspects. The investigation will continue and they can be re-arrested if the prosecution can come up with evidence that can support that. As suspects they can be dragged in at any time to be interrogated; if not, then legal procedures have to be followed for them to be interrogated again.

I have no idea why Karen Janssen hasn’t brought the case to court yet. She can and should go for kidnapping and rape, or at least imposed or forced sexual activity on the girl, since she was going in and out of consciousness while they were busy molesting her in the back of the car. That has been admitted during the interrogations. (Jossy Mansur)


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  • Comments

    124 Responses to “Suspect Hearing Case in Aruba Concludes … Joran Van der Sloot, Kalpoes & Security Guards Wait for Decision”

    1. Robots on November 30th, 2006 3:50 pm


    2. on November 30th, 2006 3:57 pm

      Has the “person” named robots ever even visited Aruba…Or does it just base it all on Faux news????

      Because robots….Id bet there are more horrific cases you have never bothered to even learn about in the states..
      Ive never even heard Walter Moore mentioned out here. Where is the outrage regarding Mr Moore????


      SM:   If you would learn to read, you would know there is a completely separate Missing Person’s blog where many different missing persons are discussed.   Nobody is forcing you to read here.   (klaasend)

    3. Richard on November 30th, 2006 4:12 pm

      Aruba cannot fail to be aware that the disappearance of Natalee Holloway has put it in the glare of media attention such as it never had before.

      If any or all of these three, who are the last persons seen with Natalee, are declared no longer suspects, then there can be no rational alternative to our government’s issuing a tourist advisory at a MINIMUM.

      And I hope that all of us who support the Holloway Twitty family in their ordeal will be ready to make maximum efforts to ensure that this is carried out.

      Now we will wait.

    4. MIss-Underestimated on November 30th, 2006 4:16 pm

      ” All people lie, even big people”

      The only truth ever out of lieruba

    5. JusticeforNatalee on November 30th, 2006 4:22 pm

      Richard is right.

      Aruba, do you want to be on US TOURIST ADVISORY status?

      That would be a major blow to tourism.

    6. Kat_Gram on November 30th, 2006 4:27 pm

      Better yet, what did the prosecutor have to say ?
      Is she going to lay some charges ?
      Guess not, or she would have done it after all this time.
      Did she do anything ? Was her hair nice ?
      And what about : Geoffrey Van Croimvert, Guido Wever, and Steve Croes ?

    7. dennisintn on November 30th, 2006 4:28 pm

      #2, we’ve been hearing for l8 months about how many horrible cases there are in the u.s. as an excuse for aruba not solving natalee’s case. how many cases of violence against tourists does aruba get to let go unsolved before they feel like thay have to give up one of their own criminals to solve a case?

    8. Sharon Chicago on November 30th, 2006 4:35 pm

      I cannot see this judge releasing the suspects. Holland has not completed their investigation yet.

    9. Sharon Chicago on November 30th, 2006 4:38 pm

      Karen Jansen, not to keep the Holloway and Twitty family informed. How arrogant can she be?? Her behavior makes me think that she is not being honest period!!

      She always had that moody look on her face as if she could not be bothered with….

      If she was not on the up and up she is going down with the rest of those crooks on that filthy island….

      Come on Holland we are waiting!

    10. debba on November 30th, 2006 4:38 pm

      Karin J is up to her eyeballs in this garbage…just like the rest of them. There was a time when I thought she truly was unbiased, but not anymore…

    11. debba on November 30th, 2006 4:40 pm

      LMAO was her hair nice (kat_gram)…you know it was!!

    12. debba on November 30th, 2006 4:45 pm

      Here’s one for ya – kj is probably the birth mother of jvds from a love fest she had with pvds…but because she was young and it would have ruined her career, pvds and avds took jvds in as their own…hence the massive cover up – no one can ever know about the love child and his real birth mother..disgrace to the vds name and the reputation of avds and pvds would be ruined – hmmm imagine that…….

    13. Sharon Chicago on November 30th, 2006 4:51 pm


    14. Para2legal on November 30th, 2006 5:01 pm

      The things I’ve seen KJ do is take a 2 week vacation in the middle of an investigation, dress in ultra tight pants, carry designer bags…and bash cowboys. Hey KJ – who’s paying for the vacations, clothes and $300+ purses? How long did you and Daddy Sloot work together???

    15. JusticeforNatalee on November 30th, 2006 5:04 pm

      Natalee will be gone forever.

      Why should there be any rush to release the LAST THREE “MEN” SEEN WITH NATALEE WHO HAVE BEEN LYING SINCE DAY ONE?!

      De Vries has dug up some facts and dirt.

      It’s time for the Dutch police to get busy.

      Don’t blow it, Aruba!

    16. linda on November 30th, 2006 5:05 pm

      Allright Klaasend funny detail what happend today in court..
      It seems that Joran had/has a relationship with Guido.
      AS a matter of fact Guido admitted that on paper..
      So maybe Guido picked him up that night since he was working at the excelsior casino till 3..You never know!!!!!


      SM:   OMG ;)    ;)    :)    :)    We’ve speculated about this!!!   (klaasend)

    17. Robots on November 30th, 2006 5:08 pm

      have i ever visited ARUBA ?? LOL

      who in their RIGHT MIND would ever visit there, after this LOAD OF BULLCRAP from the GOVERNMENT of TOILET ISLAND

      maybe ROBOTS hit a nerve

      thats a SHAME


    18. Minnesota Dad on November 30th, 2006 5:08 pm


      I am confused by Jossy’s comment:

      “As suspects they can be dragged in at any time to be interrogated; if not, then legal procedures have to be followed for them to be interrogated again.”

      Based on what we have been told is “Aruban Law”, Joran can not be dragged in and interrogated at any time (remember they were going to talk with him when he came for winter break last year…and then suddenly he left CRIME Island?). Aruba told us that unless Joran voluntarily presents himself for questioning, he can not be interrogated again.

      Am I wrong here???? Seems like Jossy doesn’t understand “Aruban Law”. md

    19. Michell on November 30th, 2006 5:09 pm

      Have any of you seen the new commercial for Aruba?? It sings “Come dance in Aruba, Come dance in Aruba.” Everytime I see that commercial I sing, “Come and go missing in Aruba!”

      Justice For Natalee!!!!!

    20. Sahara on November 30th, 2006 5:20 pm

      I’m not Robots. But, I am a “person” and I have been to aruba, more than once. I will never go back. I don’t understand the “don’t look at this case because there are worse ones” attitude.


    21. Tazman on November 30th, 2006 5:32 pm

      The judge probably wants to get off the island quickly before he “disappears”!

    22. Tazman on November 30th, 2006 5:34 pm

      Wait a minute. Jossy’s memo says that they can be dragged in at any time as suspects. Wasn’t it not long ago that deepak’s lawyer said that they didn’t have to go in for questioning? That it was on a voluntary basis?

    23. Tazman on November 30th, 2006 5:44 pm

      All I can say is if they let them go, and KJ doesn’t do anything about it, then the people of Aruba are paying for a faux legal system. They might as well fire the entire government and pay themselves the salaries. Put KJ, dennis jacobs, dompig, deepak, satish and paulos to work cleaning the hotels. Or walking along the beach with the sticks that pick up trash. Get joran and his gang back and have them clean the urinals.

    24. anon on November 30th, 2006 5:48 pm

      The 46th spirit is called Bifrons, he is an Earle and appeareth in ye forme
      of a Monster at first but after a while at ye command of ye Exorcist he
      putteth on ye shape of a man, his office is to make one knowing in
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      hearbs, precious stones & woodes, he changeth ye dead Bodyes & putteth Them
      into one another [anothers'] places, & lighteth candeles seemingly upon ye
      graves of ye dead he hath under his command 6 Legions of spirits, his seal
      is this, wch he will owne and submit unto &c. [figure 46.]

      The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon.
      The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.

      The cops would not let him tell.

      This is G o o g l e’s cache of as retrieved on Oct 10, 2006 03:31:39 GMT.

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      To link to or bookmark this page, use the following url: 7th level of hell Not these in particular.

      Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block

      The Arawaks may not need to play the singing card
      The cowboys won’t hear the music and the teepees will be safe

      Freemasons also talk about the gold road.The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package from the Hague. The trias works infallibly. Freemasons a little out of order here

    25. Sully on November 30th, 2006 6:02 pm

      Oh how things are finally going to come together!!

    26. linda on November 30th, 2006 6:07 pm

      Oh really Klaasend…did you speculated about this before..
      I never expected this..cause he is such a womanizer…
      Anyway..But there is a change that he is trying to protect his boyfriend..thats why is lying about that Satish picked him up..strange dude..


      SM:   Yes, we did.   We wondered if Joran went “both ways”.   Also, remember that rape is not a crime of passion, it’s all about control and hate.   Now..Guido had a brand new white car that he left behind when he hurried off to the Netherlands back in June 2005.   Very possible that it was Guido who picked up Joran (klaasend)

    27. mayan_moons on November 30th, 2006 6:07 pm

      Hear that? BOOM!

      That was Aruba shooting themselves in the other foot! Its like a bravado thing this hearing today. Peter pushed so the perps are pushing back in the only way they can by asking to circumvent their own law of the 2 year window which keeps them as suspects.

    28. Sully on November 30th, 2006 6:13 pm

      How does one post on the forums?

    29. anon on November 30th, 2006 6:14 pm

      Mary was given the poison wine of Bacchus will tie this in a minute believe during the 7th level will check

    30. linda on November 30th, 2006 6:15 pm

      Ohh wow..I’m going to tell this to the whole world….You are right..I did forget about that car..damn…I hate the fact that Joran is holding back information like this…and just blame satish en deepak..what a jerk..
      Remember that Guido’s dad is an important money talks here..oooh I hate this…
      I don’t get Kj..why does she come with this info now..why not months ago…stupid woman

    31. linda on November 30th, 2006 7:10 pm

      Klaasend..could you help me on this one..
      What happend with that white did it get in te picture..There was a white car following them and then there was something else with a white car..but i really forgot what it was again..could you let me know??


      SM:   The white car was first mentioned in the Dutch Reinactment show.   It’s also in one of either Deepak’s or Satish’s statments, that a white car was following them closely. (klaasend)

    32. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2006 7:17 pm

      Like murdering, raping, serial lying FATHER – LIKE SON!

      It’s all a joke to Paulus and Joran Van der Rape!

      check it out:

      Joran ‘OF OF THE DITCH’… thinks it is all effin FUNNY.



      What I noticed was that each time that my brother Deepak and I were visiting with Joran, his father Paul was there, therefore we could talk with Joran. The father Paul told us that we could be interrogated as suspects also after being interrogated as witnesses. Also I can explain that there was a time that when I was with my brother Deepak and Joran and his father was also there,


      Joran said “if a body is found that we are in big trouble”. My brother and I said to Joran that is impossible because we had done nothing. Joran said then laughing, “Yes, yes you are right”.


      Justice 4 Natalee!!!

    33. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2006 7:20 pm

      Was that Guido’s White Nissan following behind?

    34. linda on November 30th, 2006 7:20 pm

      Ok but wasn’t there a white car in front of Jorans place the next day..something like that…cause the car that followed them was of a different brand name the Guido’s car.


      SM:   Maybe, not sure of the make of the white vehicle following them or about the one seen at Joran’s the next day.   There is no question Joran was in the company of Guido the next night, it’s in the statements. (klaasend)

    35. dkpen on November 30th, 2006 7:21 pm

      Hi everyone!

      I’m asking those who live in the Miami, Florida area for help with the Boycott Aruba movement.

      Aruba Tourism Officials are going to Miami, Florida for their Annual Caribbean Sales & Marketing Conference Dec. 7-8, 2006. 400 SE Second Avenue, Miami, FL.

      If you live in Florida in the Miami area the proactive boycott members need you. Those who wish to be Proactive in their participation in the Boycott and want Aruba to know that we are alive and well, please picket this meeting.

      Movers and Shakers Doing Business in the Caribbean will Gather for Two-Day Forum. When the Hospitality Sales & Marketing Association International (HSMAI) and the Caribbean Hotel Association (CHA) team up Dec. 7-8, 2006 in Miami at the Downtown Hyatt Regency Hotel for the 2nd Annual Caribbean Sales & Marketing Strategy Conference, they will welcome a “who’s who” of companies and organizations that do business in the Caribbean.

      Registrants run the gamut, from CEOs, Presidents, Senior Vice Presidents of Sales & Marketing, Information Technology Officers and General Managers, to Regional Directors, Sales Managers and Marketing Coordinators.

      A sampling of companies attending are: Tourist Boards including Anguilla, Curacao, Grenada, Jamaica and the Caribbean Tourism Organization (CTO); Hotel & Tourism Associations including Aruba, Turks & Caicos and the U.S. Virgin Islands; as well as hotels/hotel companies such as Best Western International, Bolongo Bay Beach Resort, Cendyn, Driftwood Hospitality Management, Hilton Caribbean, Holiday Inn SunSpree Resorts Aruba & Jamaica, Manchebo Beach Resort & Spa, Sunterra Resorts and SuperClubs Hedonism III.

      God bless~

    36. linda on November 30th, 2006 7:29 pm

      Thanx Klaasend..I appreciate your help..

    37. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2006 7:33 pm

      KJ is missing a soul.

      He knows what she has done…

      and the much longer list…


      The All Mighty One will

      take care of the

      ‘final accounting’

      with that heartless B1TCH.

      -Justice 4 Nat-

    38. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2006 7:43 pm

      Satish 6/24/2005 ALE Statements -cont’d-


      Deepak and I have known Joran for approximately a year. I’ve known Joran longer, a little longer than a year.

      On your question how I believe that Freddy knows both tales, I can explain the following:
      Freddy himself had told both tales to my brother and Joran. Afterwards my brother asked Freddy to ask Joran what really happened, since Freddy is Joran’s best friend and certainly Joran would tell Freddy the truth.

      My brother and I had doubts concerning what Joran had told us. I found Joran acting nervous when he told us what happened on the beach. I found it also strange that he left the missing girl this way near the water for that time. Okay avoided he ask that direct do had concerning missing little girl and him on the range. (He avoided direct questions regarding the missing girl on the beach?)

      How did I know that Joran became nervous? I can explain the following:
      Joran looked around then visibility was gone and tried to avoid eye contact. Also his eyes opened further. Also he gave me the impression that he had to think of what he would say. Also it was notable to me that he didn’t want to talk long regarding the beach, but always concerning the tale of the Holiday Inn.

      On your question on how I think that Joran my brother and I are involved and will tell the truth, I can explain the following:
      Joran was the last person that was with the missing girl and wants to involve us. He wants to give only his account.

    39. dkpen on November 30th, 2006 7:44 pm

      #31 Linda…

      I think it was Alber Levy who claimed he saw Deepaks car and a white car parked infront of Sloots house.

      Also there was a post awhile back on another forum about a picture. Was a picture taken from the back end of a white car of J2K with Natalee getting into Deepaks car the night Natale left CnC with the 3.

      Hope that helps.

      God bless~

    40. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2006 7:51 pm
    41. linda on November 30th, 2006 7:52 pm

      Thanks..Dkpen..any info on white car in this case will help..thanxx

    42. Richard on November 30th, 2006 8:24 pm

      Klaasend and Linda, I also recall that one witness on that night reported seeing a white car following the Kalpoes car closely. The witness reported that it seemed to be driving in an erratic manner, as though the person/people in it were drunk, on something, or generally out of control.

      I’ve long thought that this white car may be related to the puzzling stop at a nearby bar that the three scum made. Natalee’s cousin saw them pull up at a bar, saw Deepak run into the bar and very soon thereafter come quickly out.

      My suspicion has been that he gave the signal to someone or some people: “mission accomplished.” What then ensued? I’ll leave you to speculate.

      Meantime, we’ll be waiting on tenterhooks for the results of this hearing.

      “We wait, and the time is short
      But waiting is long.”

      T.S. Eliot, “Murder in the Cathedral”
      (If memory serves, that’s where it’s from)

    43. Richard on November 30th, 2006 8:26 pm

      I remember sending that notice about the Miami meeting to various people. Considering that one participant is labeled “SuperClubs Hedonism III,” one wonders what kind of tourism is being sought?

      High-class stuff, doubtless….

    44. JusticeforNatalee on November 30th, 2006 8:26 pm

      Was Guido’s car ever tracked down and checked for evidence?
      Makes perfect sense so I guess it wasn’t!

      Janssen thinks she’s a hottie but she’s nottie.

    45. Richard on November 30th, 2006 8:27 pm

      Linda, don’t you live on Aruba? Could you let us know (if you would please) if there is a lot of talk and gossip going on about today’s hearing? Or do the average people there not seem very interested? Thank you!

    46. mayan_moons on November 30th, 2006 8:33 pm

      Is Alber Levy owner of C&C’s or he the one involved in porn?

    47. mac on November 30th, 2006 8:37 pm

      Don’t worry there is NO way they can release the 3 punks. If they do they are telling the WORLD that no matter what they will not prosecute anybody for the RAPE and MURDER of Natalee. If they do this they know it will be the end of Aruba. Maybe they just don’t care?

    48. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2006 8:45 pm


      PVDS A.L.E. Statement

      *Note -

      He completely glosses over his ‘girlscout meeting’

      Deepak, Joran, and Paulus talked for a few minutes

      in Joran’s apartment.


      They were sitting on the
      floor in his apt. – Deepak says Joran’s matresses are
      on the floor. (not on the bed)

    49. IndyDan on November 30th, 2006 8:45 pm

      Robots Rocks!

    50. Carpe Noctem on November 30th, 2006 8:46 pm


      After that the heated atmosphere seemed to have cooled down somewhat. The police officers said they would file a report about what had occurred. It was morning already when Joran and myself were dropped off by the police at home. We did not go to bed anymore. Joran went to school feeling very sleepy. I called the “headmaster” of Joran’s school and told him that in the nightly hours a lot of people had been at the house about a missing girl. I asked him if he could be somewhat understanding for the fact that Joran would be sleepy. -J4N-

    51. mayan_moons on November 30th, 2006 8:53 pm

      Hey Richard! post#43

      Hedonism III?~ wth does that entail? To each his own i guess but since the revelation of how hotel owner’s/managers/security install cams that can be trained in all the rooms. Not really for security purposes but for the owner of the security company and/or his son’s and possibly/probably for spying on female guests but i think they are used to size up dudes too.

      Its something i really never thought about ya know. The thoughts of it is creepy.

    52. mac on November 30th, 2006 9:02 pm

      Richard # 45: Great question. Linda, is there much talk on the island about Natalee?

    53. IndyDan on November 30th, 2006 9:07 pm

      Goonchild has lots more disturbing issues than trying to figure out his sexuality. He does seem to lean in a violent way towards women.
      Maybe all the porno and perversion his dysfuntional parents have exposed him to has created the perfect monster.
      -loves the TV exposuser
      -parades back to his crime scene with trashy girls hoping to cash in on his 15 minutes.
      -photocropping himself into pictures with his victim.
      Like father like son, makes you wonder what Sweaty Sloot got away with all these years.
      GoonBoy got away with it 20 times, but he messed up with Natalee. Something bad happened.

    54. realtruth on November 30th, 2006 9:15 pm

      what’s the best words for a new free bumper
      sticker – this

      Aruban Dirty Police
      Arubans destroyed evidence &
      covered-up kidnapping, rape & murder
      of Natalee Holloway from Alabama.

      “or any other suggestions”

    55. SL-Gloria on November 30th, 2006 9:17 pm


      Guido drove a white Nissan.

    56. yoyo muffintop on November 30th, 2006 9:17 pm

      Natalee snorts coke and Joran is bi – what a week…

    57. Roy on November 30th, 2006 9:36 pm

      #18///#22 Kudos…. sounds like a gentle break-up from someone who wants it both ways.
      …As for Smid, I’m starting to think he may have been there that night as well. The way sh** rolls down hill in Aruba, seems people with the most to lose are thrown out there to make the really stupid decisions.

    58. Waterboy on November 30th, 2006 9:40 pm


      For all of you who believe in prayer, please say a prayer for 1906. The last time he posted, he was having a lot of problems with his health. He talked mostly about his concerns for others, and he has always been particularly concerned for Natalee.

      I for one believe God answers prayers, cause I’ve seen Him do so many times.

      So, take the time to pray for a fellow poster, and ask God to heal and help 1906.



      SM: it deserves to be repeated …


    59. Waterboy on November 30th, 2006 9:42 pm

      To yoyo—nono!

    60. yoyo muffintop on November 30th, 2006 9:57 pm

      IndyDan – Yes, it seems Joran loved at one point in time the exposure – to the detriment of himself. But the rest is a bunch of c@#p. Lot’s of unfounded hatred of people you don’t personally know.
      btw – no crime scene at the Marriott since he never went to the beach outside the Marriott, right?

    61. dennisintn on November 30th, 2006 10:01 pm

      natalee didn’t snort coke and jvds is a male slut and that’s the best thing that can be said about him.

    62. Page on November 30th, 2006 10:03 pm

      Is there a transcript from Mr. De Vries show? I am interested to see what facts and dirt he dug up in Aruba.

    63. Maggie on November 30th, 2006 10:05 pm

      They all make me sick, there isn’t anything honorable about one of the guys in this group. None of them can stand up and be a man and tell the truth. They have done everything they can to prevent the ones who love Natalee the most, from finding answers to what they done to her or where they took her. For 18 months they have let them go through hell day after day and try to portray themselves as the victims.

      As I’ve said before, Satish, Deepak and Joran went out to pick up an intoxicated girl at closing time, the only one who didn’t make it back is the girl. All three of them made it home fine. Since day one, they began to make up lies and false alibis and frame 2 innocent men for murder and kidnapping. They were content to let the 2 guards sit in jail until it was proven that Natalee didn’t return to the Holiday Inn. They didn’t come forward and change their story until they had no choice. In one statement Satish drove to CnC in another Deepak drove, in one Satish, Joran and Deepak walked out with Natalee, in another Joran and Satish walked out and Deepak was waiting with the running car. In one Deepak is sitting on the ground waiting on Satish to bring the keys out, in another he is sitting in the car with the door open listening to music waiting for them. I don’t believe Natalee ever saw Deepak and Satish until she got in the car or knew they were with Joran. In one statement, they took Joran home after dropping Natalee off, in another, they took them to the beach, in another they stopped at Joran’s house out front, in another they didn’t, he didn’t want to wake up his family. In one Natalee hit her head, she was very drunk, another a little drunk, another not drunk at all, in one no sex, no condom, another one all kinds of sexual stuff while Natalee is passing out off and on. Deepak cleans his car for ants, then sand early morning hours after working all evening, and going out half the night and being on the computer, next night they are out until 3 am again. Joran is drinking and gambling underage 2 nights in a row, Nadira blew her own son’s timeline. Joran has no condom, and has to go home for school but goes home and downloads a 2 hour porn movie to watch after 3 am on a school night. Deepak calls Natalee a slut and previously says shes a pretty girl who said hi and he said hi back, then went on to say she never did introduce herself. Deepak picked him up, Satish picked him up, Joran walked home, they all drove Joran home. Joran has never seen Deepak or Satish with a girl, however Deepak says they have all been in the same room having sex with tourists before. Neither saw Natalee doing drugs or on drugs they said, yet Joran told Charles Croes Natalee was doing drugs and possibly drinking. Joran says he decided around 9:30pm to go to CnC that night and meet up with the MB girls, however his friend said he called him around 4pm that day and asked him if he wanted to go meet some MB girls that night at CnC and the friend said no in his friend’s statement to police. That’s just the tip of the iceberg of the lies they all have told. Now if they wanted the truth to come out and clear them, why all the lies?! Noone who is innocent needs lies and false alibis. Noone needs to make up false derogatory lies and alibis about a victim. They could say what they want about Natalee, they know she could never dispute none of it. For all those who try to tell people Natalee ran away, save it for the next set of Grimm’s fairy tale books. Natalee could have got in her car and drove away from her Mountain Brook home anytime she wanted, but you know what she never did. Natalee loved her family and friends. There is nothing honorable or respectable about this whole group of people. Nothing!

      I don’t go to the “hate sites” and really don’t care what they say. To talk about them gives them importance.

      As for missing/murdered people elsewhere, wake up this has never been about the number of missing/ murdered people, it’s about a cover up set in place the first night by Paulus’s buddy Straten that went from their. They have repeatedly stood up and lied to Natalee’s family and about them time and time again without a conscience doing it. No wonder they defend the lowest of the low. Comparing a country of 300 million against a country of 100,000 crime wise is a joke.

      Paulus went to court to keep the FBI out of this, if his son is innocent, why would he do that? Why was he on the computer the same night Natalee disappeared looking up drugs, alcohol and lawyers, before it’s even public Natalee is missing? Why is he telling the boys without a body, they have no case? Why is he hiring them lawyers? Why is he holding a meeting, the father, family around the pool that same day making up the Holiday Inn alibi? That too is just the tip of the iceberg about him also.

      No girl is going to stay on a cold dark beach in a foreign country at 3 am alone unless she’s seriously impaired or unconscious, just the opposite of how Joran described her.. Not one piece of evidence to corroborate anything they say about that night after leaving CnC, there’s a reason for that, 9 days of no search and because they never went to the beach. They are still trashing the victim, as they have done for 18 months for suggesting such garbage. Why in the world would they turn any of these people loose.

    64. Maggie on November 30th, 2006 10:12 pm

      ty Waterboy for the reminder, My prayers for 1906 also.

      Months ago, don’t remember what site was a letter from a Canadian guy who said he was in the hotel Natalee was, when she disappeared. He said they didn’t lock down the place and search the rooms..Noone was doing anything except Natalee’s friends and family. He said not one room search. No cops, no nothing. He also went on to say the judge in the case flew in, was a golfing buddy of Paulus’s.

    65. Geeky on November 30th, 2006 10:13 pm

      “As suspects they can be dragged in at any time to be interrogated; if not, then legal procedures have to be followed for them to be interrogated again.”

      What is Jossy saying here??? This is not what I have heard! I’m confused about that statement.

      I wish they would drag them in again, and have the dutch and FBI have a shot at them.

      The word Aruba, makes me sick anymore. Who in thier right mind would go to that island?

      Natalee we will not forget.

    66. Maggie on November 30th, 2006 10:17 pm

      btw, I’m not sure there’s enough perfume for all the pigs in this story.

    67. mayan_moons on November 30th, 2006 10:35 pm

      Thanks for reposting about 1906, he’s in my prayers. I do believe in prayer and miracles big & small. I’ve been lucky enough to have a couple of miracles in my life and understand the toll these health issues take on one’s life.

    68. buckeye on November 30th, 2006 10:37 pm

      Page #62 No official transcript but try this

    69. dennisintn on November 30th, 2006 10:51 pm

      #43, you can probably get the inside dope on superclub hedonism from some of the posters at refugeesunleashedwaytosoonfrommentalinstitutionsforthecriminallyinsane.

    70. mayan_moons on November 30th, 2006 10:54 pm

      Hey Maggie!

      Nice summation…..i never read those hate sites. They are stupid and a total waste of time. Like some of you quoted Anita & i’ve seen others saying “why would Natalee get in 3 strange guys car” Like you say Anita is talking about her own son! Its meant as a slur on Natalee but boomerangs & makes them look so ignorant.

    71. nychic on November 30th, 2006 11:17 pm

      Still wondering about Joran’s sexuality ?

      Remember his cute little roomies in this pic:

      (very cozy)

    72. Roy on November 30th, 2006 11:18 pm

      Maggie…. You are so right, why or how Aruba could turn it’s back on Natalee and her family and let these punks/liars walk free is beyond comprehension. Why Aruba bears their guilt is a question I wish more people would ask. Aruba is the land of the dead that doesn’t just bear that guilt, they wear it with shame.

    73. molly on November 30th, 2006 11:35 pm

      #17 ROBOTS: LOL, I always thought that your short outbursts of anger were funny.

      molly (in Houston)

    74. molly on November 30th, 2006 11:38 pm

      18 & 22: I remember the same things. The suspects had to come in voluntarily from now on. Therefore, no one came in. Big surprise.

      Travel alert for Aruba.
      Been a long time coming.

      molly (in Houston)

    75. ashishauriora on December 1st, 2006 12:09 am

      zzzzzzzzz.Oh great.It has been 18 months.Joran was in custody for 3 months and was released.I highly doubt they will charge him now after all this time.They had their time and chance and they blew it.Devries is not going to solve anything.He wants publicity.He knows what everyone knows.(there was a coverup)Its happened before and will happen again.Accept it and if you dont like Aruba do not go there.

    76. nychic on December 1st, 2006 12:10 am

      ***but, then if you think about it…

      It Would Make Perfect Sense For Karen Janssen to
      Bring Up Joran’s “Relationship” With Guido
      (the Gay thing worked to get Guido off the hook)

      Also, How Do We Know Just Exactly What KJ Was
      Referring To ? Could She Have Possibly Meant The
      Special Working/Laundering Relationship That Guido,
      Joran And Others May Have Had With M Posner ??

      And We Now Have A Good Idea Where The Belt of Joran
      May Have Come Into Play ??

      One More Thing: Remember That Lovely Crotch Biting Pic
      Look A Little Closer…It Looks Like A Male To Me:

    77. nychic on December 1st, 2006 12:30 am

      Julia ? Is That You Again ?

      Guess What – We Don’t Like You Here -
      So Do Us A Favor And Don’t Post Here -

      And Don’t Worry – We WILL NOT GO TO ARUBA EVER AGAIN !

    78. molly on December 1st, 2006 12:31 am

      Saying a prayer for 1906. Too bad we can’t all send cards.

      I think you are right about those pics, nychic. yuck

      molly (in Houston)

    79. JusticeforNatalee on December 1st, 2006 12:31 am


      Here is the transcript. The most shocking news is the secret meeting between attorneys Carlo and Janssen.

    80. ashishauriora on December 1st, 2006 12:54 am

      who is julia?

    81. Mike on December 1st, 2006 1:28 am

      #75- don’t worry. I will not be back and neither will 20% of the people. You had better try to find a piece of dirt on that piece of volvanic ash and learn to grow your food.
      good luck. Not.

      hey yoyoass, you can’t give it a rest can you. jurine & pvds look more queer than a two dollar bill. if they are not queers then they are surely missing a good chance. and anita looks like something the dog drug in from a dark alley.

    82. dkpen on December 1st, 2006 1:46 am

      #46 Albert Levy is owner to CnCs, yes.


    83. hammer on December 1st, 2006 1:46 am


      …is a self admitted homosexual, via his gay lawyer Gerold Sprong. He has admitted to wearing makeup which made his eyes appear blackened.

      Guido was a third-rate tennis player, who fled Aruba immediately after Natalee’s disppearance. He ran away, like the coward he is, to be a male model in Holland. This of course on the heels of his failed croupier training at the dump casino “Excelsior”.

      His cousin is the pathetic Arlene Ellis Schippers who shilled for Aruba on numerous American news programs, highlighting the ongoing conflicts within the Aruban Government and within the Aruban Tourist Authority.

      The gay Guido, make-up wearing, failed croupier, who skipped out on his graduation to flee Aruba for Holland immediately following Natalee’s disappearance, was himself arrested and detained for 7 days on suspicion of murder, accessory to murder, heavy battery and additional charges in direct relation to Natalee’s disappearance.

      His assinine lawyer, the over-paid Gerold Sprong, accused USA vased news media of engaging in “NAZI – LIKE” tactics in their coverage of the case. And Guido’s enabling, weak, and pathetic parents voiced the same NAZI talk when referring to the media coverage of the case.

      Gee whiz — ain’t that sad. I guess Guido’s mom and dad are emabarrassed they have a gay, make-up wearing, third rate tennis playing, graduation skipping, cousining of liar Arlene Schippers, charged with murder and heavy battery of a son.

      Now how do ya like them apples?


      You bet.

      I’m a NAZI, SPRONG, and your ass is what I want.

      Get in line and say HEIL HITLER, pussy.

      And after that you can tell us what your gay client did to “the girl”.


    84. Mortella on December 1st, 2006 2:59 am

      A careful reading of the transcript of deVries program will show that Natalee’s roommate only said she had been drinking, no mention of the use of drugs.

      The drugs are from “unnamed sources” oddly entered into the police records. Can you say Bouti? Now there is one reliable source for the drugs comment.

      But if anyone has access to any roommate saying that Natalee used drugs, please post as well as the name of that roommate. You don’t because that statement doesn’t exist except in the minds and lies of card carrying members of the Sloot Fan Club and A$$Ki$$ers Association.

      Not only are these officials responsible for investigating and prosecuting this liars, they are not even good liars at that. Pathetic in fact.

    85. Sue on December 1st, 2006 3:14 am

      Maybe this is a crime of jealousy
      Joran cheated on Guido and all hell broke loose

    86. Richard on December 1st, 2006 7:04 am

      Maggie and Mayan Moons, I agree about the “hate sites.” Why would anyone who has once read their crap give them the benefit of one’s time?

      And best wishes for 1906. Get better fast, and soon!

      I bet that right now the Aruban government is huddled together, wondering what will happen to them if they let the scumbags off. There’s only one reason that the hearing wasn’t held on Nov. 1 as scheduled, I think, and that was that they got word from the Dutch to hold off … or else.

      Now they’re probably trying to find out how many people in the Netherlands are listening to the Peter de Vries show … and, more important, how many are prepared to take action. And whether the Dutch government will follow suit.

      It’s up to those of us who care to keep raising hell about this … Aruba will NEVER be let off the hook. And we can and should hold specific individuals to the fire, among them Karen Janssen … who still has time to move on the case.

    87. Robert on December 1st, 2006 7:24 am

      We all know the three boys were involved in this and most propably are THE three perpetrators but the point is… In a courtcase you have to PROVE this!!!!!! How do you PROVE that they did something in NH’s drink, how do you PROVE she was sexualy assulted, how do you PROVE they killed her or were responsible for her death. A.s.o, a.s.o… It doesn’t make sense to go to court when you can’t PROVE any of the facts.
      The last thing all of us want is that there is a redicules courtcase and all the preditors go free…. The best thing is get them to confess and get them to tell were the body is. I believe that can be done! I think the best thing we can do now is keep the pressure on them (and make their lives misserable.)

    88. super dave on December 1st, 2006 8:09 am

      if i had to bet money, i would say that this so called judge will set the guilty free just like he did daddy. after all, he has stayed at the guilty’s home on several occasions and is a friend of jansen also.

    89. MIss-Underestimated on December 1st, 2006 8:22 am

      Yes it’s hammertime.

      How many theories has Dompig come up with. Dompig watch CSI you’d learn alot most good detectives have a theory from the start that last to the end. But hey your whole LE, media, justices and judges have flip flopped more than a salmon out of water.

      Lieruba….. motto….where we all lie, even the big people lie, no truth ever truer spoken from Mama Kalpoe,
      If you look in the dictionary under Aruba, it says liar.

      Perfuming the pig(s)

    90. MIss-Underestimated on December 1st, 2006 8:23 am


      I think you can go into the forums to post you good will .

      Come on 1906 we need ya here.

    91. Pearl on December 1st, 2006 8:24 am


      “CNN has learned a suspect has confessed to killing Natalee Holloway….

      “But shortly before midnight, a senior police officer told CNN that one of the three suspects detained on Thursday had made a confession to the killing of Natalee Holloway.”

      June 11, 2005
      Karl Penhaul

    92. MIss-Underestimated on December 1st, 2006 8:25 am


      There is evidence out there, he just won’t squeal on his freinds.

    93. Carpe Noctem on December 1st, 2006 8:34 am

      Right on Robert! I’m ALL
      ABOUT making their
      lives miserable.

      ( I mean, even more than they already are. )


      Enjoy It, Sporter!

      Justice 4
      Natalee Ann


    94. Carpe Noctem on December 1st, 2006 8:58 am

      God Bless, 10061906…

      I hope he gets well!

      Hang in there, big guy.


    95. Pearl on December 1st, 2006 9:21 am

      “CNN has learned a suspect has confessed to killing Natalee Holloway…

      Now, the prime minister of the island has said that he, so far, has not been informed of any confession.


      “But shortly before midnight, A SENIOR POLICE OFFICER told CNN that ONE OF THE THREE SUSPECTS detained on Thursday HAD MADE A CONFESSION to the KILLING of Natalee Holloway.”

      June 11, 2005 –

      Add that to your THREE INCH LONG SCRATCH MARKS ON YOUR FACE, Guido, that FIVE witnesses all stated they saw on your face on May 30th.

      Add that to your “NO BODY, NO CASE”, Paulus.




      Judge Smid, maybe you can explain how a FELONY became a “misinformation campaign” when it came to Paulus and Joran Van der Sloot and their gang of co-conspirators?

      October 17, 2005:

      COSBY: Now, did Joran—we’ve heard from the family, Chief, that—you know, that Joran was claiming in some statement that she was going IN AND OUT OF CONSCIOUSNESS. Have you seen that anywhere?

      DOMPIG: YES. THAT’S DEFINITELY IN THE STATEMENTS, and that’s why we were kind of disappointed when THE JUDGE didn’t accept that because that’s basically A FELONY IN ARUBA.

      COSBY: But what you’re saying, Chief, is that he did say that, at some point, she was in and out of consciousness. You’re saying that’s a felony in Aruba. Where did he say that happened, in the back of the car?

      DOMPIG: In the back of the car. He mentioned A COUPLE OF TIMES that SHE PASSED OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
      THOSE WERE HIS WORDS.” But in a way that someone that’s drunk, that’s kind of like not really aware of what’s happening


    96. vicki on December 1st, 2006 10:11 am

      My prayers are with you 1906, please get better soon.
      When I first saw the picture of urine with the belt around that boys neck, I said to myself”he sure looks gay”. Im with whoever said maybe guildo[sp]followed urine and came across him with Natalee.What a nightmare…poor Natalee.

    97. John Staton on December 1st, 2006 10:27 am

      Reality Check

      The economy of Aruba is in full recession, 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth. The possibility of a turnaround in the next several years is non existent. When the so called legal authorities wash their hands and walk away, Aruba will again take a shot. It is generally believed in the US that the police and other authorities are directly responsible for the cover up and non investigation of a very serious crime. The island’s reputation is shot.

      Those involved are quite mistaken if they think that they will not be hunted animals. Joran’s big brag was that he was going to attend an all comers college in Florida, he now attends something in Holland of an even lower academic reputation. He is marked for life (how short that may be is anybody’s guess) and will have a very difficult time getting any sort of job beyond bar tender. Only reason he qualifies for that job is that he certainly knows how to slip drugs into drinks. The Beast Brothers will disappear quickly when the court lets them off of the hook.

      Eventually someone of power who has lost a large amount of wealth due to what has transpired will want pay back from the others involved.

      This is reality and may the Hounds of Hell take the hind most!

    98. hammer on December 1st, 2006 10:28 am


      To start the process of cracking this abduction, rape and murder case, the prosecutor needs to prosecute the crimes she knows she can prove.

      So, let us start w/ the kalpoe witness statements. You know, the statements which were signed by deepak and satish and testified to polis under advice of competent legal counsel. The statements in which EACH of them delivered and ratified via signature INTENTIONALLY FALSE TESTIMONY.

      In other words: “PERJURY”. A felony crime. A felony crime for which the EVIDENCE and PROOF EXISTS.

      Further, these same statements, in conjunction with later “suspect” statments by each of the three criminals deonstrate conclusively the jvds, deepak and satish kalpoe enagged in an INTENTIONAL AND PRELANNED CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT PERJURY.

      Conspiracy to commit perjury. Another felony crime for which the EVIDENCE and PROOF exists.

      In addition, each of the kalpoe brothers, based on the criminal actions relating to their PERJURIOUS STATEMENTS are subject to further prosecution for additional crimes: OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE and CONTEMPT OF COURT. These are also felony crimes.

      The kalpoes should be prosecuted for the crimes they have obviously committed. Crimes for which both EVIDENCE and PROOF exists.


      I guess Karin Jannsen really is a third rate justice dept employee, marking time until her union pension kicks in.

      Beth was both RIGHT and CORRECT when she made that statement calling them “CRIMINALS” — because there is clear EVIDENCE and PROOF that they are, indeed, CRIMINALS.


    99. MIss-Underestimated on December 1st, 2006 11:07 am

      Karin Janssen worked with Pawless.

      Dompig what did your son mean when he made those statements?

      Sanders why would you rather put your hands in a fire than tell what you know?

      Why did your parents Sanders, have contact with Anita and Pawless? but you didn’t with Joran, but you’d put your hands in a fire for him.

      Wheres your phone Sanders?

      Hey Anita, Sanders has seen Joran drunk even though you said he does not drink.

      Sanders you said you went to Jorans house on June 1, 2005 at 1600 hours, sounds to me like there was a party going on there as several people gave statements they were there at that time? Why the big pow wow? Was Steve Croes there too?

      Where did your brother have to sleep after that nite?

    100. MIss-Underestimated on December 1st, 2006 11:22 am

      Hammer lets not forget the involement by Pawless, giving advice to all of them and God know who else.

      I can still picture Pawless sweating profusely, then getting up to answer the phone, while talking to Greta, while poor Anita was crying her eyes out. Pawless who was on the phone and with the camera rolling what was the urgency to answer that phone?

    101. IndyDan on December 1st, 2006 11:25 am

      And Hammer – what about goonchild underaged drinking and gambling?

    102. dennisintn on December 1st, 2006 11:54 am

      i just read an old st. maarten newspaper article quoted dutch police report that aruba is resisting the efforts of dutch police to investigate and prosecute white collar crimes of money laundering, wholesale drug smuggling, and the laundering of terrorist funds to south american countries. it also said that karen janssen asked for intervention and help from dutch authorities early on in the investigation of natalee holloway’s disappearance but the minister of justice refused to allow it. in my book, that puts old rudy up to his eyeballs in the coverup.

    103. Richard on December 1st, 2006 12:18 pm

      I still think the inaction by Karen Janssen and others in the ARuban government may reflect three things:

      1. They are on the take from drug traffickers, or know that some of their fellow Arubans are.
      2. They may suspect, if nothing stronger, that Natalee was taken off the island.
      3. If the above two ideas are valid, then they know very well that they are sitting ducks if they open their own mouths about what they think, or know, or have taken part in … and that some of the other people they work with will be all too ready to cover their OWN butts by taking action against them.

      Aruba is a place, I suspect, where anyone of importance is either on the take or is alert to the danger of emulating Diogenes, and searching for an honest man.

      By “danger,” I mean what happened to a certain bar bouncer in a certain cave in Aruba.

    104. Sharon Chicago on December 1st, 2006 12:44 pm

      #102…Very interesting

    105. Sharon Chicago on December 1st, 2006 12:49 pm

      I think Guido was part of what happened that night…time will tell…they will not get away with murder….I am believing this will be solved..

    106. molly on December 1st, 2006 2:47 pm

      #90 Miss U. Thank you, I’ll sign in later and write 1906.
      The sun is shining, briefly, in Houston. I’m going out to warm up.

      #105 Sharon. I am believing that this will be solved, too. God can’t and won’t ignore all the prayers that have gone up for Natalee and her family.

      molly (in Houston)

    107. MIss-Underestimated on December 1st, 2006 3:45 pm

      Thanks Molly
      I am freezing here, its about 35 degrees. light snow.

      FYI De Vries thinks the crime was at the Van der Sloot resident, poster Elisabeth on front page 8 ball, check it out. Is that why everyone left the island.

      Carpe maybe onto something, as usual. He’s so smart…

    108. MIss-Underestimated on December 1st, 2006 3:58 pm

      Something for all of us to think about
      Don’t forget our service men and women this holiday season.

    109. Mortella on December 1st, 2006 5:45 pm

      #97 For sure Aruba is not in touch with reality in many areas and most especially with regards to their failure to investigate and prosecute the guilty in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

      They are so sure the boycott is going to go away just any time now and the tourists will once again be filling their coffers while they spit in our faces.

      The boycott will tend to grow as more people hear about it and why it is being conducted. We must keep up the pressure in that department for it is the only way we have in light of the failure of the judicial system if it can be called that. Don’t let up for even one day and eventually someone with a bit of insight will realize that it was not worth protecting one of their Dutch elite at the expense of the national financial well being.

      That is something that would readily be obvious to most but even 18 months later and in full recession, Aruba still doesn’t believe.

      And the more nasty things they say and do the longer it will take most to EVER get over this fiasco these officials have thought they could pull off. All just one big insurance scam like the boy Max DeVries who disappeared just before Natalee? No, that one was no insurance scam either but that is what they accused that grieving mother of as well.

      Has Aruba ever had a missing person case where it truly WAS an insurance scam? I doubt it, never heard of such and am sure Chief Gerald “Mercedes” Dompig would be chirping about it non-stop if it had ever really actually happened. I think it is something he saw in a movie somewhere one time because as Chief of Police he should know insurance industry maintains one of the largest data clearing centers of any industry in the world and these things are just so easy to check. Well, guess what? This is not the movies, Dompig. You failed to do your job and should be held criminally accountable for that.

    110. Scared Monkeys on December 1st, 2006 8:01 pm

      [...] Then Jossy Mansur, editor and managing director of Diario, will be discussing the recent events of this past week in Aruba. From the airing of the Peter de Vries program to the suspects day in court on Friday. As always, Jossy will give us the dirt as to what has really been going on in Aruba and where the Natalee Holloway case stands. [...]

    111. mayan_moons on December 1st, 2006 8:49 pm

      Hey Mortella!

      You have made some very astute points in post# 109. How much you wanna bet that Aruba couldn’t produce even one case file of a tourist that pulled an insurance scam involving death. I’m not saying that pulling such a scam could not happen in Aruba but its NOT the tourist scamming, its Aruban Locals who in one way or another related to the Officials and know they have nothing to worry about like going to jail.

    112. molly on December 1st, 2006 9:47 pm

      #107 Miss U. LOL, it does sound cold. There was ice on my windshield this morning at 8 .m.! Temperature went down again tonight.

      I think the deed was done at the VDS residence, too. That’s why there was no search of the property – ever. That’s why Vermin de Sweat was dripping all over the table. The evidence was still on the property when Beth showed up.

      molly (in Houston)

    113. mayan_moons on December 2nd, 2006 12:24 am

      I think that too molly! That Natalee’s body was in the house when Beth got there, although i’m not sure if she was still alive but in a coma or restrained in some way.

      I’ve always believed the Sloot house & apt. is one of the crime scene’s. Dipsac’s car being the first crimescene including the pond area & the rocks area crimescene’s aswell but not knowing the exact order.

      No matter what order i do believe the Sloth house is where Natalee’s body is hidden. The reason is its the only place where Pawless (Love that Miss-U!)had total & complete control. The SLoots would be just another in a long list of murderer’s who bury their victim’s within sight of their front/back porch. They are to scared to leave the body anywhere else, wondering all the time if the body is undisturbed or if searcher’s or animals had found it or just someone accidently stumbling over the remains. In their haste they don’t realize that they have chained themselves with Natalee to the house/propery.

      Two main reasons support this.

      1. Sloots won’t allow their property to be searched

      2. They didn’t run off to Holland like the families of
      Jurine’s friends did

    114. mayan_moons on December 2nd, 2006 1:10 am

      Beth pleaded & begged the Sloots to help her, the parents of the young man who was seen with their daughter driving away in the night never to be seen again.

      I bet Paules was sweating coz he was worried Beth might go off & start looking through the house on her own. Beth showed such restraint & did not do that although now i wish she had.

    115. Tazman on December 2nd, 2006 3:00 am

      Is it only me that thinks the white Dutch people living on Aruba produced some really disgusting and trashy sons? I mean what happened over there? How come they have nothing better to do with themselves then get involved in picking up tourist girls to sexually abuse? What did Holland do? Send their perverted white people over to Aruba to run it, abuse it and destroy it?

    116. Carpe Noctem on December 2nd, 2006 4:23 am

      I wonder if someone will put a hit team together
      to do a home invasion on the murderous, raping,
      bloodsucking Van der Rapists! Wouldn’t be me
      though, that is against THE LAW, & DAT IS DE

      Where do you think Natalee Holloway’s body
      could be Paulus? Did you encase her plus the
      evidence in your cememnt work near the pool? You effin pathetic, sniveling, gas bag, coward of a man.

      One day Paulus, you’re gonna be walking down the street
      along with that li’l effing cut throat, psychotic, carnivore of a son you and Anita have raised…

      and someone is gonna step to you, and dole
      out the punishment that you and your rapist
      of a son have had coming for quite some time!

      … “and if they do, I laugh!” –Joran Van der Rapist

      My best guess is… most people will standby and watch
      it happen. Ya see, they know what pieces of sh- you and
      your family are, and they know the hardships and the
      stink that you and others like you have brought
      to Aruba!

      F you Paulus, & f that rapist / killer of yours!

      You disgust me. You are a snake. You are maggot filth.

      …Merry Christmas

    117. Michael on December 2nd, 2006 5:51 am

      I think the only way this case can be solved is when people who are involved speak. To do this an independent investigation team must be sent in that can overrule the local authorities. However Aruba belongs to the Kingdom of The Netherlands it has its own government. So I doubt if The Netherlands have legally the right to do that. The Dutch team that was sent in earlier to help the search was there with approval of the Aruba authorities.
      Investigators like Peter R. de Vries can find out a lot of facts but when the people involved won’t speak to him he can’t do much more.

    118. Michael on December 2nd, 2006 7:42 am

      @ 116

      That’s what I don’t understand also. If it was my daughter, family or friend and I know where the guy is living I hire someone send him over there and beat the truth out of him.

    119. mayan_moons on December 2nd, 2006 1:54 pm

      Jensen: What is Jurine studying?

      Peter: Photography or something i guess (much laughter)

      See that Jurine?

      Jenson & Peter and their audience are laughing at you!

    120. Roy on December 2nd, 2006 2:08 pm

      #113 (2) “They didn’t run off to Holland like Jurine’s friends did” That is a very true statement and supports your argument really well… At this point, I lean to cremation…Paulus undoubtedly has endorsed this cover-up more-so than the Gottenbos’s, Dompig’s, kalpoe’s, Cromvoirt’s, Wever’s, Smid’s, and the many other families of interest in Aruba. ALWAYS, always giving us tidbits of info to prosecute the VDS’s in public forums but with no end-game save one. If Natalee or her remains were indeed on that property, do you not see the irony…. It is only Natalee and what Paulus “I’ve got something to tell” knows that keeps this family alive. I do believe they have a story to tell and I hope they live long enough to tell it. And I do hope everyone starts to see the games that Aruba and Holland are playing and why they should avoid these places at all costs. They are extremely corrupt societies that imo have no place among civilized nations. Your post Moons is a very strong post!

    121. mayan_moons on December 2nd, 2006 6:15 pm

      Very interesting points Roy!

      Especially you’re mention of these *tidbits of knowledge*
      thrown out there for public consumption, making swiss cheese out of the Sloth’s assertations. Wonder who that could be?

      And after all this time Paules chimes in with Jurine on how “i’ll tell you but not right now” and Paules expounds on it saying “to many people could get hurt”???
      it took alittle time for that to sink in, like a ripple effect but it leads me to think that Paules was definetely sending a statement to someone even though it was Peter deVries he was speaking to.

    122. dennisintn on December 2nd, 2006 8:21 pm

      #l09, writing off the boys disappearance as an insurance scam excused the a.l.e. from writing it up as a tourist death, or to have to conduct a criminal investigation of the guy who was with the young man. the family, what’s left of it, are living in michigan last i heard. no big insurance claims filed, no villa in mexico. no justice for their son. as long as aruba recovered their wave runners, they didn’t care about finding the boys body or finding out why he wasn’t wearing a life jacket, as should have been furnished and required, and how the only adult “witness” has told several different tales about what happened. it was also kind of strange that nobody thought to ask why the boy would have drifted off away from the machines and the adult. unless of course, the boy raised a sail and sailed away or maybe godzilla was active there then also.

    123. mayan_moons on December 4th, 2006 1:08 am

      my mum calls joe tacopina


      cousins with

      joey bagOdonuts

      i lurve her!

    124. Jerry from Ohio on April 18th, 2007 8:49 pm

      Sorry to say but I am starting to believe that NO justice will ever come to the VD’sloots or the kalpos .
      Justice will only be served outside the law.
      One Bullet to the head and one to the heart it will still be more humane then what poor Natalee was put through .
      Paulus ,Jurine the Kalpos and if it can be their mothers and wives so that these familys will never reproduce again .
      Sorry , Not PC but that is the way I feel .

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