Aruba Worried about Financial Reputation … ha … Best Worry about your Reputation in General


Once again in Aruba … its all about the money … Can these people be any more short Reputationsighted? One would not have to worry about their financial situation, if you had taken care of business and properly investigated a crime against a tourist.

The reputation and name of Aruba on the international financial market is at stake, says minister Nilo Swaen (MEP) of Finance and Economic Affairs

Aruba, News Flash … You best worry about the reputation of your island in general. Aruba would worry about their financial reputation? Aruba’s reputation has been in question and at stake since 5/30/05. The manner in how Aruban officials showed the world that the covering up a crime was more important and a tourism at all cost vision is apparent to all. Your reputation  is already toast for the most part as seen by the continual decline in tourism since the charade known as the Natalee Holloway investigation. Reputation-quote

It is too bad that the Aruban officials did not take the reputation of Aruba as serious as they do when it comes to the almighty florin.

Swaen indicated in a reaction that in the past five years, the Netherlands has never mentioned that there are stipulations with borrowing money in foreign countries.  Aruba participates in the international financial market and is being monitored by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and Fitch Ratings.  According to the minister, Aruba has better ratings this year compared to last year.

On November 1, 2006 Deepak and Satish’s attorney, David Kock, will petition the Aruban courts to have his clients taken off the suspect list in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The interview can be heard here with David Kock as too what he sets out to do for his clients.

We have said for months, hopefully Aruba will listen or they will not have to worry about any financial reputation … as their overall reputation will be gone, if it already is not beyond repair. Maybe some in Aruba would like to explain, for a legal system that relies so much on “hard evidence” like DNA and confessions why no such tests were done on the three suspects and their possessions day 1? Instead, they were allowed to get rid of any potential evidence. Think your reputation is not gone? Tourists do not go to Aruba not because they fear of safety … they fear that they will be provided no justice if heaven forbid something happens to them. That is Aruba’s legacy. There is another word Aruban officials may want to concern themselves with as well, honor.


What is good for the three suspects, Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe … is terrible for Aruba, its people and its economy. One would have thought they would have figured this out with their non-existent tourism.


Full story below:

Amigoe, October 30, 2006: Swaen: ‘Financial reputation of Aruba at stake’ 

Minister Nicolaà ¯ is looking for alternatives, so that Aruba can still borrow money.

ORANJESTAD – The reputation and name of Aruba on the international financial market is at stake, says minister Nilo Swaen (MEP) of Finance and Economic Affairs, as a result of the conditions that the Netherlands had laid down for borrowing money abroad. 

These statements are in the report of the meeting between the Aruban and Dutch government of last Monday.  The Aruban ministers that attended this meeting were Premier Nelson Oduber, Finance-minister Swaen, Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) and minister Plenipotentiary Frido Croes (MEP), and the Dutch minister for Governmental Renewal and Kingdom Relations, Atzo Nicolaà ¯ (VVD).

It appears that Nicolaà ¯ is looking for alternatives, now that according to him, Aruba can not agree with the conditions, namely that the Federal Minister Council must also approve the local loans.  As Amigoe reported earlier, the minister wants to include a Dutch expert in the Aruban committee Public Finances that amongst others is working on the budget standard.   This committee will have to report to the Federal Council of Ministers and the federal government will also have to monitor the recommendations, said Nicolaà ¯.  He continues saying that the budget standards of the kingdom countries must be laid down in a statute law. 

Swaen indicated in a reaction that in the past five years, the Netherlands has never mentioned that there are stipulations with borrowing money in foreign countries.  Aruba participates in the international financial market and is being monitored by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and Fitch Ratings.  According to the minister, Aruba has better ratings this year compared to last year.   

According to the minister, there was a quick scan and the idea based on this is, that Dutch experts work together with Aruban civil servants in order to make corrections.  When necessary, Aruba has always cooperated with the Netherlands.  The two countries should not be treating each other like this, said the minister.   

With regard to the committee Public Finances, Swaen indicates that the government is already planning to suggest the Parliament to establish a budget standard via a national ordinance and not via a statute law.  However, for official reasons, he cannot agree with reporting the progress of the committee to the Federal Council of Ministers, because it is an internal matter.

He finally points out that when other interests are at stake, and with that he means the negotiations regarding more collaboration with the other islands,  they should discussed it openly.  There is no longer a mutual trust, concluded Swaen.

Nicolaà ¯ said on Wednesday during the press conference in Curacao, that Aruba does not play a part in the governmental deliberation that takes place in The Hague next week Wednesday.  Minister Plenipotentiary Croes will basically attend this meeting as observer. 

The following persons were present at the conversations for Aruba: Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, Finance-minister Swaen, Justice-minister Rudy Croes, minister Plenipotentiary Frido Croes, and the (official) employees Peter Davidse, Erwin Croes and Bano Lopez.  For the Netherlands were present: minister Nicolaà ¯, Representative of the Netherlands in Aruba Rens Knegt, and a press officer of minister Nicolaà ¯.


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  • Comments

    68 Responses to “Aruba Worried about Financial Reputation … ha … Best Worry about your Reputation in General”

    1. airgame12 on October 30th, 2006 4:36 pm

      WTF is this………..Some cop down there named Halley was seen by a eye witness taking a body out of the sand dunes before the inital search. This eye witness statement was taped and given to the police by Art Wood. And now they dont know wtf people are talking about. I had never heard this before reading into the case files. Now we know for sure that the cover up is for real just in case you had any doubt……….I didnt!

    2. Allan K on October 30th, 2006 4:50 pm

      I would not doubt it.

    3. Sharon Chicago on October 30th, 2006 5:39 pm

      Well airgame 12….NOTHING suprises me anymore….
      Disgusted with this whole circus…. Holland better
      come through for us!!!

    4. LilPuma on October 30th, 2006 6:06 pm

      Aruba has shown that they do not take crime against tourists seriously. They will blame the victim. They lie about the level of crime and safety on the island. They don’t seem to think much of Americans, but admit they need our tourism dollars. They don’t enforce their laws very well, at least not if you’re Dutch and Dad has friends in the right places. If there is a problem in the news, authorities will either not speak to the press or might lie to them. It’s my belief and my advice that if an investigator or prosecutor in any country finds the family of a missing person to be difficult or aggressive, if they find the victim wasn’t destined for sainthood, they should still try to solve the crime. And if you’re a member of law enforcement or the judiciary in any country and the family member of a friend may be involved in a crime, you should recuse yourself from the case. Oh yea, one more piece of advice. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. How do you say that in Dutch and Papamiento?

    5. ayfit on October 30th, 2006 6:58 pm

      Been gone for a while,however the Natalee Holloway case never escapes me.I continue to pray for answers.Aruba seems UNTOUCHABLE.A confession would bring no response,I’m sure of it.Officials of Aruba-Natalee’s blood is on your hands.Judgement day awaits you.You know as we all do what happened to Natalee,To hell with you.I get ill when I hear Aruba.Please, someone in the U.S. Government,read post #1 and ACT now!!

    6. Miss-Underestimated on October 30th, 2006 7:14 pm

      Hey Aruba, going down man, why you let some punks ruin your one happy island, bc it’s more than just some punks, its big and you all in it knee deep, like quick sand you’re all gonna go down.

      Why Crime and body…….what crime and why would Natalee be considered a body…Come on…..not telling the truth, because your lies are.


    7. dkpen on October 30th, 2006 7:20 pm

      #4 LilPuma

      It’s not just tourist they don’t care about, it’s their own people as well. Rape victims are pushed aside and nothing done about the criminals. Murdered victims are looked at as suicide or over dose. ALE and Officials just don’t care, period.

    8. Carpe Noctem on October 30th, 2006 7:27 pm

      The numbers never lie. Aruba, when judged by the numbers
      is going down the ‘johnnie hopper.’

      (sound effect) FLUSH gurgle gurgle glug GLUG GLUG

      I do not revel in other people’s misery.

      that have taken part in the undeniable rape, murder,
      and amateurish coverup that is so P L A I N L Y
      evident in the Natalee Holloway case!

      As long as they continue to lie, it will continue to stink…

      As long as it stinks…

      it will not go away.

      Aruba is currently an extreme embarrassment, and that is being polite.


      Justice 4 Natalee

    9. JusticeforNatalee on October 30th, 2006 7:50 pm


      You have bitten the hand that feeds you!

      American tourists are
      NOT coming to your corrupt little island.

      We stand by NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY.

      Her right to safety and life itself were violated on Aruba.

      Her family’s right to justice has been repeatedly denied.

      Get your head out of the Aruban sand and put the guilty behind bars–for FIFTEEN YEARS–as stated in the back of the police car by the suspects themselves!

      EVen dompig admitted, all roads lead back to JORAN and the KALPOES.

      If you release the Kalpoes on Wednesday, it will appear as a act of bad faith.

    10. mayan_moons on October 30th, 2006 7:59 pm

      Hey Carpe!

      Whoa i just saw the eyes you speak of above……eerie doesn’t even begin to describe it. For me at first it was difficult to see, reason being there are so many slashes & stab wounds to the face.

      So you see the body in the bushes i was talking about! Great & thank you again for you’re confidence. Add it to your other stills & post it a link to it here. Thanks!

    11. mayan_moons on October 30th, 2006 8:05 pm


      On the enhanced still linked above i see what looks to me like a gunshot wound to the forehead right between the eyes.

    12. Maggie on October 30th, 2006 8:15 pm

      If Oduber and Croes were present, enough said. The only time they speak publicly is about money.

      According to the minister, Aruba has better ratings this year compared to last year. (According to who?, the crime bosses?)

    13. robots on October 30th, 2006 8:46 pm

      toilet government is not only IGNORANT they are IDIOTIC

      watch the TOILET go down the DRAIN

      i hate them all

    14. realtruth on October 30th, 2006 9:07 pm

      it will take two generations for aruba to overcome the reputation they so well deserve – scumbag island and gov’t

      the only people traveling there are time-share owners who can’t sell their property for 50 cents on the dollar, pedophiles who enjoy the free rape culture without conviction and gov’t employees who participated in the coverup.

    15. tex on October 30th, 2006 9:10 pm

      i’ll be drinking champagne when charles croes suffers the same

    16. robots on October 30th, 2006 9:57 pm

      i dont think people cant 3 cents on the dollar for a vaction time share in “TOILET”

    17. mayan_moons on October 30th, 2006 10:36 pm

      lol robots!

      i wouldn’t give em a plug nickel!

    18. JusticeforNatalee on October 30th, 2006 11:14 pm

      On Wednesday, Aruba has a chance to show the world that it believes in justice.

      On Wednesday, Aruba has a chance to start turning its tourism around.

      On Wednesday, Aruba will decide whether or not to release the Kalpoes as suspects.

      Americans are watching. Aruba, do not let us down.

      The ONLY reason for releasing the Kalpoes is if they provide pertinent information to solve and successfully prosecute the case.


    19. Minnesota Dad on October 30th, 2006 11:28 pm

      Cover-up 101….

      Ok class. Here is the deal. Aruba has dragged this out as long as they can. May 31, 2007 is the drop dead date for this case to go cold.

      In executing a cover-up with multiple perpetrators, it is best to slowly extract each from the case. By doing this, you ‘add layers to the onion’ and make it virtually impossible to prosecute the case.

      You saw this at first with Paulus Van Der Sloot. This was a classic cover-up step to distance and insulate the main perpetrator, Paulus Vand Der Sloot, from the case. They have successfully accomplished this, and, you will note that the Dutch Investigators are not doing squat about reversing and VOIDING the judgements made to protect Paulus by his black robed buddies.

      Now that Paulus is clear, it is time to extract the next level of perps from the case. This would be the Kalpoes. Watch on November 1, to your amazement, that the Judges will rule to throw Deepak and Satish out of this case. Most likely they, too, will also sue like Paulus did – in order to further distance and insulate them from prosecution under this case.

      This leaves Joran. Sorry, but nothing will happen to Joran. The case will be run out to May 31st, and then Joran will be declared inncocent as there wasn’t enough evidence.

      Cover-up complete. Somehow, you have to remove the Kalpoes…and this is being done this week. Watch the onion peels be added to this onion.

      This concludes your lesson in how to execute a cover-up.

    20. robots on October 30th, 2006 11:28 pm

      im with you mayan :)

    21. Gary on October 30th, 2006 11:53 pm

      I have listen to the original, unedited Skeeters recording of Deepak and also to version that has been enhanced. I clearly hear an admission that all 3 suspects had sex with Natalee that night. However, he might have been lying because he wanted Natalee to appear to be a slut, but what he said is what he said. Those who hear something difference are simply using their vivid imaginations and are hearing syllables (sounds) that are simply not there. I remember people in Aruba hearing Deepak say, “You’d be amazed at how easy it would have been that night.” They simply added words that are simply not there in an attempt to change the recordings meaning.

      My point is that Deepak hated Natalee and could have easily killed her with or without Joran’s help. This case may be simply a murder without a sexual component and racial hatred may be the real motive.

      Here are some questions that haven’t been discussed extensively on this board very:

      1. Why did the suspects kill Natalee? What is their likely motive? Why do they all hate Natalee so much? What could she have possibly done to get them so angry. Did they kill Natalee simply because they thought she was a racist?

      2. Assuming Joran killed Natalee by himself, could he have disposed on her body by himself or did he have help? Who could have helped him?

      3. What holds all the suspects together? Why would so many people agree to lie and why would they stick together after all this time unless they were all involved in her murder. But if many people are involved how are they all able to keep their months quiet.

      4. Why have so many people in Aruba lied about so much involving this case? To an outsider, it almost appears that lying is the national past-time of Aruba.

      5. Was the Paulus VS property and residence ever searched? Was his car ever searched? I have not seen any evidence that such searches were done.

      6. Was Joran a good swimmer? Did he or his friends have access to a boat? Disposing of her body in water doesn’t appear to be easy without a prior arrangement for a boat.

      7. Have voice stress analysis been done on the many interviews given by the suspects, their family members and witnesses? Couldn’t such analysis help to separate the truthful statements from the lies?

      8. Joran probably killed Natalee by himself, but there are a dozen scenarios in which others could have involved–esp. in disposing of her body. Deepak probably knows more than he is saying, but there is certainly a chance that he wasn’t involved in her murder and/or accidental death. Only Joran seems to have the intelligence to have committed the crime by himself and finding a way to dispose of her body near where she died. Where did Natalee die?

      9. Why do the suspects disagree on visiting the lighthouse before to the HI beach? Why do they disagree on which K2 brother if any picked up Joran after he left Natalee? Is Joran trying to create an alibi for his father?

    22. Minnesota Dad on October 31st, 2006 12:38 am


      #9 ….Yep, Paulus is your perp. It is very obvious when you start picking apart this case that Paulus is the bad guy here and it is better for Aruba to keep the spotlight on the three accomplices rather than what took place in Paulus and Anita’s residence on that night.

      Why wouldn’t you ever search that residence? Why would judges (friends of Paulus’) block the search of the residence by issuing orders refusing a search?

      Why would a blood soaked mattress be found…called dog’s blood…and then two weeks later a picture circulates of a furniture truck delivering new furniture to the Van Der Sloots? Who took that picture at the exact time new furniture (a mattress perhaps???) was arriving and why was it circulated?

      Who leaked the pictures of Paulus hitting on Natalee at the casino?

      Who video’d the recovery of her body and then the infamous crime scene destruction?

      Clearly, there is someone on Aruba that wants to make sure Paulus gets nabbed. Its just a little too obvious that they kept leaking things that put Paulus in a bad light (and, coincidentally, Aruba has refused to comment on any of these incidents).

      Yes, Joran and the 2 Kalpoes are accomplices; but Paulus Van Der Sloot is your key perpetrator in this crime. Anita was away….and frankly, Natalee was a little better looking then Anita.

      Let’s go Dutch Investigators…when are you going to bring Paulus in???? md

    23. molly on October 31st, 2006 12:58 am

      Aruba’s reputation is a done deal for me. I would never go to that place. Anyone with spy training is welcome to go and secretly search the VDS property. Do some remote eavesdropping. Not a place for vacationers.

      Justice for Natalee.

      molly (in Houston)

    24. mayan_moons on October 31st, 2006 1:24 am

      Sometimes the only reason a person kills another is just to see what it feels like. In most of those cases the victim does not know the perp, its easier to depersonalize a stranger. Joran & co. had drugged young girls, raped & filmed it & has been said tried or did sell the video. Now if you take out the selling part you’re left with these guys must really enjoy sex with unconcious people & it could be said its just a step away from having sex with dead body…..necro. The selling of video’s with girls unconcious is so bizarre, i’m like…..who the hell wants to pay to see that? Sadly we’ve been witness to a culture of men who earn their living off the backs of their women, their tears & plea’s mean nothing to these men who go home to a family & act like its just another day at the office. And i think there is not much thats taboo in regard to the humiliation & brutalization of these women.

      The vicious knife wounds i see in these stills is overkill, even the feet are so cut up. This shows that this person fought very hard for their life, i’ve never seen so many stab wounds on one person.

    25. Richard on October 31st, 2006 5:37 am

      And again I say … the cover-up that is so obvious is not being conducted solely to help the suspects. They don’t rate … PvdScum didn’t even get his judgeship (though of course that rejection came after all the turmoil).

      There is something bigger that is causing the Aruba government to ruin its own future and that of its people.

      It must be some very big secret that they know would end their tourist business for all time … and they must also know that solving this case would be the biggest single thing they could do to restore it.

      Which leads me to conclude … they know she was taken off the island, either by a premeditated plan or because things just worked out that way.

      No evidence for this view … or against it.

    26. Richard on October 31st, 2006 5:39 am

      “There is no longer a mutual trust, concluded Swaen.”

      Any entity that would trust Aruba at this point would do so only if it had been sleeping, like Rip van Winkle (hey, come to think of it, he was Dutch too!), for the last twenty years.

    27. Carpe Noctem on October 31st, 2006 7:21 am
    28. Carpe Noctem on October 31st, 2006 7:22 am
    29. Carpe Noctem on October 31st, 2006 7:26 am


      Then we will know once and for all that PSYCOPATHIC


      run ARUBA.

      …and we will all adjust
      our plans accordingly, no doubt.





    30. Prima on October 31st, 2006 7:50 am

      I am looking forward to my vacation in St. Kitts over the winter. I was for 5 years traveling to Aruba, NO MORE!
      I am glad their economy is tanking, but it looks like Aruba still just doesn’t get it! Blame everybody but your own corrupt-polluted judicial system and the three main suspects. Until there is justice for Natalee, Aruba will suffer.

    31. super dave on October 31st, 2006 8:10 am

      this is the same female cop that was brought up when gvc was arrested. was said to be apersonal friend of paulie sweaty sloot. as far as i know she was never investigated. she should be having bamboo shoots shoved under her fingertips as we speak. but remember we are talking about aruba and their famous ale. to serve and protect the criminals.

    32. robots on October 31st, 2006 8:39 am

      Aruba Blows

      EVIL PEOPLE exist there


      you have been warned !


      it is tanking

    33. Carpe Noctem on October 31st, 2006 8:56 am

      I hope they nail those lousy scudders…

      and like MD, I think all four were in on this.

      Justice for Natalee

    34. vicki on October 31st, 2006 9:00 am

      Gary, the saddest thing about all this is, they treated Natalee like a piece of dirt. The plan was that the PIG Urine would get a girl, one that was picked out at the casino, single her out, give her a drink at the end of the night and then deliver her to Lorenzo, the big drug king on lieruba.[This is where Urine got his money,IMO}[The sad thing is they didnt want Natalee, they wanted Katherine, but she didnt go C & C that night] Lorenzo along with others had there way with Natalee and then she woke up and things got ugly. Lorenzo is the only one on the island that has so much pull that all is afraid of him. He will have you snuffed out without batting an eye lash. He has dirt on all of the higher ups on lieruba so thats why noone has spilled their guts. Thats why Urine didnt know what happened to Natalee.I think that Urine was gonna take the fall and papa sweat put up such a stink that they needed plan B. It has been rumored that Natalees clothes were thrown in Lorenzos trash can. Lets face it… Lieruba is a haven for satans spawns and we may never know the truth. One thing is for certain, the ones involved will suffer in ways we may never know of. They will SUFFER like the pigs they are. Natalee’s short precious life was sacrificed for the down fall of the ‘little game’ those lowlives
      were playing treating tourist woman and other woman like dirt. What filthy disgusting pigs. Over 20 times before. I am glad their sick games are thru but I am sorry it took Natalee to do it.

    35. MIss-Underestimated on October 31st, 2006 9:50 am

      Why did Paulus say it would be hard to arrest them (joran, deepak and satish) if there is no body?

      What body Paulus? And why would Natalee be a body at that point? Body infers she is dead, and why would they be arrested? arrested implies they committed a crime.

    36. John Staton on October 31st, 2006 9:57 am

      Aruba is a case study in so many things it is hard to know where to start. The average IQ must be very low if they do no understand that Bankers simply are not in the charity business. Aruba’s economy has not hit bottom yet, it will continue to fall until it contracts to some low base level. Their reputation is now so bad that there simply is no other case to compare with. Further, their political situation precludes them applying the most useful “fix” completely separating the tourist from the locals. Add to this the large percentage who’s income is dependent upon the Government and the falling revenue to support these people, well you get the picture.

      The drug culture of Aruba is also a party to this. Joran is a sociopath. He accepts no responsibility for his actions. No family discipline, a father of dubious morals and ethics plus a ding bat for a mother. Like others in this class, he can be charming but the beast lurks within. This acorn did not fall far from the tree. We can all hope that Joran will turn out to be the Frankenstein in this play. The 2 brothers part in all of this is up for grabs but it is obvious that they are simply tools that have been used. Meanwhile, Joran struts about Aruba like some kind of National Hero. The people (see IQ remark) are so stupid that they cannot see what kind of problem this causes for them.

      Don’t look for morons to solve this case!

    37. JusticeforNatalee on October 31st, 2006 10:21 am

      If the Kalpoes are released, the boycott will go into overdrive.

    38. Carpe Noctem on October 31st, 2006 10:32 am
    39. IndyDan on October 31st, 2006 10:49 am

      Well said John #36.

    40. joe bear on October 31st, 2006 10:51 am

      I will boycot forever,as Chief Joseph said.(kinda)This has gone to long.We from the south have very long memories.I still think this culture of porn,drugs,and abuse enables these fiends to work.Bamboo does not work that well,by the try.I had that done,no fun,but no truth either.Remember”you can see alot by listening”Yogi Berra Joe

    41. airgame12 on October 31st, 2006 11:11 am

      #24 I have done a lot of pre sentence investigations of people this age for murder of one form or another. And for the most part, they are completly stunned at what it is really like when it happens. The one thing that you hear almost every time is, ” I cant believe how bad the smell is, and how much blood there is”. The only way someone can sleep at night after something like this is they have no soul! I believe that woudl be the case of these people involved in this case. And have you noticed, that as far as I can tell, not one of the players in this case has a daughter. Hope they get what they deserve, and hope the island does the right thing tommorrow.

    42. MIss-Underestimated on October 31st, 2006 11:34 am

      Think about it, if they release them as suspects, where do you think they will go? If they are released can the US finally get the entire case information and will they be able to work with interpole? Maybe our legal eagles here can inform me.

    43. LilPuma on October 31st, 2006 12:50 pm

      #22. Minnesota Dad:

      You’re a genius! I never thought about the information that has been leaked or why someone would go to the trouble to get that specific information out. Certainly something to think about and look into further. You might want to e-mail Red (lower right on this page) and join the forum.

    44. mayan_moons on October 31st, 2006 12:54 pm

      I was thinking the same thing airgame, only Kalpoe’s have a daughter, i believe she is the half sister to the brothers, fathered by Nadira’s currant husband. I couldn’t help but think that if the Sloots did have a daughter she’d probably be dead by now or used as a sex money machine.

    45. Libby on October 31st, 2006 1:54 pm

      Great post (#22) MD.

      I have one to add to your list. Joran made the statement that had his mother been here…none of this would have happened. Why would he say that? Not to mention Paulus’ profuse sweating every time he is questioned. I think he is your perp too…or at least the main perp.

    46. mayan_moons on October 31st, 2006 3:13 pm

      Libby ever since the day i saw Paules sitting next to Natalee is the casino i knew he was up to his eyeballs in the kidnap, rape & Natalee.

    47. Libby on October 31st, 2006 3:34 pm

      Mayan_Moons I agree. I think it was a complete set up. I think Joran invited her there for his dad so he could “approve”. When she was sitting next to Paulus you could almost tell what she was saying to Paulus. She was looking at him and pointing at Joran…probably saying…you are his “judge” father etc. Goes along with the “this has been done many time and nothing like this has ever happened” and “if mom had been home…this wouldn’t have happene”. I think MD has it right. Paulus is our main Perp.

    48. super dave on October 31st, 2006 4:06 pm

      ARUBA: better get your money back from paulus sweaty sloot ! the dutch don’t want you any more.

    49. mayan_moons on October 31st, 2006 4:29 pm

      I almost jumped outta my chair the first time i saw it, i rewound the tape 3 or 4 times & never had 1 doubt it was him. Yes Libby seeing Natalee talking to Paul and as you say she’s pointing to Joran, connecting the two makes the blood turn cold. Virtual predator bookends at the blackjack table surrounding the young teen girls, circling like sharks with the intent of going in for the kill. I actually feel that Joran’s play on words with the shark comment is how he see himself ^ his friends & HIS OWN FATHER. That why you see the snicker on Jorass’s face every ime he speaks of it.

    50. Maggie on October 31st, 2006 5:09 pm

      #36 John Stanton, BINGO..

    51. airgame12 on October 31st, 2006 5:11 pm

      Tommorrow the shit hits the fan, one way or the other. Lets hope that when it does hit, it leaves all the players involved covered with it!

    52. super dave on October 31st, 2006 5:28 pm

      ARUBA: your reputation walks around in the form of Paulus van der sloot and his deranged offspring along with the ok to lie kalpoes. one of my customers came in last week and was talking about going to aruba and i made him leave my place of business . what is one lost customer compared to a life ?

    53. Maggie on October 31st, 2006 6:08 pm

      I also think Paulus is involved in this story, the extent not sure. Until I see someone come forward to say otherwise, I believe that was him sitting next to Natalee in the casino. The fact that noone has come forward to say who it is, is strange, if it’s not Paulus. Weird too, that it all happen while Anita was out of town. Like 1006 said, Paulus appears to be a sissy, so I don’t see him cutting anyone up. Joran does appear to be the classic sociopath and appears to have a violent nature, when things don’t go his way. Paulus getting them lawyers, along with perhaps Freddy. Paulus saying, according to the prosecutor, the day after Natalee is gone, if they have no body, they have no case. Paulus and Anita, according to the prosecutor, calling a witness up and asking them what they told the police. Dompig saying, Paulus knows more, and the fact that Paulus was allowed to visit Joran, harmed the case early on. Also Mickey Johns , who I have seen no lie from so far, saying Deepak told him, the father and the dutch guy, family all got together and sat around the pool and made up the Holiday Inn drop off story. In order for that to happen, it would’ve had to taken place earlier in the day of the 31st, before Beth and the police ever came to the VDS. How did they know they needed to make up lies earlier in the evening. The police didn’t know Natalee was missing yet and it wasn’t made public, yet Joran used that lie when the cops came to talk to him. His appearance on GMA where he says he didn’t say no body, no case, yet the prosecutor is on tape saying he did and admitted it to her. Joran and Deepak state it when being taped he did. No body, no case, if they find the body, they will see that sh*t, and if they find the girl , Joran will get 15 years. Joran has described her underwear, her private parts, they have all said she was drunk, extensive sexual activity and comments about her falling asleep and waking up, comments that she hit her head when she fell at the Holiday Inn, comments she was on drugs, confession to murder, comments that deepak thinks Joran raped her, comments that Deepak raped her and buried her, hints that Satish picked him up and could have went back to her, lies about the shoes, lies about Natalee losing money and he won it back, lies that she asked him to come to Carlos n Charlies, lies that Deepak drove to CnC, then Satish drove, then Deepak did, lies that Natalee walked out with all of them, then walked out with Satish and Joran, and the list goes on and on.. This is not the behaviour of innocent people. Everything they say has no coroboration. They all 4 know the story, so does Straten and Jacobs. Why would the AHATA engage in daily, sending out (you fill in the blank) to spread lie after lie, and they know they are lies when they tell them. One of their paid people went on Dr. Phil and said the boys did something awful to your daughter and he and the prosecutor think they are guilty. One went on record saying 2 of the “boys” had sex with Natalee. Now how does he know that? The same one who is seen letting Joran out of jail? Why would the AHATA spokesman be letting Joran out of jail, and why do they have access to police files? Everyone is “in bed” with each other. This is the most bizarre bunch of bs.. Deliverance Part II

      JOHN: No (INAUDIBLE) never knew who he was, because he certainly was calling me Jamaican. He thought I was from Jamaica. So he was just talking to me freely and, you know, no problem.

      I spoke to him more, and I tell him, “Tell me the truth,” asking, “You saw the guy on the news?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “Where the guy from?” He tell me, he think from Grenada. And right away, I knew he was talking about me, because I was the only one from Grenada.

      So I decided to ask him a few more questions. And I said, “So you tell the guy (INAUDIBLE) what happened to the girl?” He said, “No.” (INAUDIBLE) arrested on Thursday. I think a guy should be released that Friday, because, in their hearts, they know we were innocent.

      He said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy’s father, they sit and made up the story.

      VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

      JOHN: All of them. They made up…

      VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

      JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

      JOHN: Well, I don’t know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him.,2933,161044,00.html

      VAN SUSTEREN: It’s about 5 o’clock in the morning on Tuesday, May 31st. She missed her flight on Monday, the 30th, midday.

      C. CROES: Yes.

      VAN SUSTEREN: There’s been absolutely no news, no newspaper cycle, to indicate that Natalee Holloway is missing, right, at that point?

      C. CROES: OK.

      VAN SUSTEREN: So somehow Joran decided to come up with this lie about the “Holiday Inn,” assuming that’s a lie, and I guess that’s pretty much been accepted as a lie?

      C. CROES: All right.

    54. yoyo muffintop on October 31st, 2006 6:52 pm

      mayan – “I couldn’t help but think that if the Sloots did have a daughter she’d probably be dead by now or used as a sex money machine.” Think that you might be going a bit overboard. What a disgusting comment.

      and not paulus at the casino – you will see

    55. Miss-Underestimated on October 31st, 2006 7:11 pm

      Maggie remember Joran saying that if Anita stayed home this wouldn’t happened. No body no case. Aruba, no Natalee no island….Why did Paulus go to the atm and what time was it? Who picked up Joran Paulus and what time(s) was it?

    56. Maggie on October 31st, 2006 7:47 pm

      Yes, I remember that MissU. She seems to wear the pants in the family.

      I will be glad to see proof of who that is in the casino anytime, anyone wants to show it, is ok with me. Steve Cohen was suppose to be checking on it for Rita, and nothing in about 5 months. If you know it isn’t him, please show us so we can see it also. It’s not like any of them in the whole group representing Aruba have any credibility left.

    57. gulf to bay on October 31st, 2006 8:50 pm

      Down with these cowards who think they can disrespect citizens from the united states. I lets do the payback. Its coming i can feel it. They had other options they could have looked out for her safety but no they raped her repeatedly. I bet it happened at the Van der sloot residence and the dad was probably in on it too. Aruba has no credibility. I think the cool arubans should kick some dutchs ass and take back there island because the ones who are running it are fools. Or at least storm the Van der sloots for messing up tourism and hurting natalee. They should just beat em all senseless for being so stupid.

    58. dutchhog on October 31st, 2006 11:42 pm

      gulf to bay,what a lot of information !!THEY raped her REPEATEDLY!how do you know that? it almost sounds like you where there!and ARUBA is an (almost)independed island,i predict that ARUBA is heading down the same street as suriname, which got independence from holland a couple of years ago and is (becouse of civilwar)a third world country now!!so i think their a little hesitant if it comes to TAKING BACK THERE ISLAND!!with an economy like this and total independence, a war is just around the corner!!it didn’t took suriname 4 months to totally f#$%ck up their beautifull country!!THEY STILL CELLIBRATE INDEPENDENCE DAY!!i wonder what their really thinking!!maybey this!?HOLLAND COME BACK!!!!!!!!

    59. Mike on November 1st, 2006 12:26 am

      hey yoyohead,

      if it was not paulus at the casino, who was it? i have not seen anyone come forward to clear that up. you are right about one thing though. paulus probably would not pimp his daughter out. he would probably keep her for only his personal use.

    60. Mike on November 1st, 2006 12:28 am

      GOOD RIDDANCE JOHNM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    61. Mortella on November 1st, 2006 1:22 am

      Paulus learned in March 2005 that he would not become a judge as apparently he flunked his academic requirements among other things. He just lied about being one anyway and no one dared call him on it. That is a matter of record and he was told to find another job within the government civil service. Did he not tell Anita about this or is she just lying and playing the role in order to maintain their status in the Dutch elite of the island?

      But now they want to sue Holland and force loans and support? Are they admitting they can’t manage on their own and are incapable of even paying their bills after the huge windfall of tourist profits over the years? All of that money collected in taxes just wasted? And they won’t even account for the last money the Dutch gave them?

      Same attitude as with tourists–Aruba is totally arrogant and sadly does not seem to realize that it is nothing unique. As islands go, give me tropical any day instead of this arid, desert one. And their beaches are dung colored, not white as claimed. Crime is rampant and they just lie about that. Many tourists report awakening with burglars robbing them in their sleep.

      Aruba is not in any position to file lawsuits and make threats. They should be making promises and concessions and working toward appeasement and finding justice for Natalee. How much of this are the Dutch going to take before they, too, will have had their fill of this corrupt and sick place? Maybe they will auction the whole island off to the highest bidder just to get rid of it. It is a blight on their reputation as well.

    62. Carpe Noctem on November 1st, 2006 5:43 am

      I H E A R T

      Van der Sloot!

      Let me guess… on top of EVERYTHING ELSE that is wrong
      with this nervous, sweating, raping, serial lying, murdering vat of VAN DER SLOOT pig slop….

      He is also allergic to gold…

      …and wedding rings in general?


      This POS is off the charts! So bold and arrogant.

      It is almost like he takes GREAT PRIDE in what
      a lying, murdering, raping prick he can be. LOL


    63. Jerry from Ohio on November 1st, 2006 10:18 am

      Aruba has set it’s course and unless the Dutch unravel
      all the cover ups and lies this case will never really be resolved as it should have been long ago.
      Let the People of Aruba rise up and take justice on the VDSloots and the Kalpos and that would be a start but it seems the Average Aruban is a coward when it comes to these
      criminals but I am still hopeing that in the future someone will step from the shadows and extract street Justice from all of the ones involved .

    64. glad2bAmerican on November 1st, 2006 10:31 am

      Well just saw HGTV (Home & Garden Television Show)
      Aruba advertisement…..FYI UNBELIEVABLE!,1783,HGTV_3080_1420227,00.html

    65. Gary on November 3rd, 2006 12:45 am

      Is Joran or Joran and K2 responsible for Natalee disappearance and likely death. Yes!

      That will always be the most likely possibility. The fact that it can’t be proven beyond a reasonable doubt doesn’t change the probabilities. Here are the probabilities as I see them:

      What happened to Natalee?

      Natalee is dead ——- 95%
      Natalee was kidnapped — 3%
      Natalee ran away ——- 2%

      How did Natalee die?

      Murdered —- 75%
      Drug overdose 15%
      Manslaughter – 5%
      Natual causes 5%

      If killed, who killed Natalee?

      Joran by himself —— 70%
      Joran with K2 ——— 10%
      K2 by themselves —— 10%
      Joran with Paulus —– 5%
      Some unknown person — 5%

      Changes that Joran killed Natalee by himself:

      .95 x .75 x .70 = 50%

      By any definition, that’s not guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

      If Joran killed Natalee alone, he probably killed her on the beach. If so, how did he dispose of her body:

      Put her in dumpster —- 50%
      Swam her out to sea —- 25%
      Walked home & got help from Paulus or someone other than K2 ——————— 15%
      Got help from K2 ——- 10%

      If she died on the beach of an accidental overdose, the numbers are similar except the odds are much higher that Paulus would have helped him.

    66. Carpe Noctem on November 4th, 2006 9:51 am


      Bert & Ernie love you.

      30 Minutes before closing time!


    67. Greta on November 6th, 2006 12:03 am

      Pls get a life. I’m sorry for her fam. but what so special about this girl? What about the thousands of families that got the same problem? Is she more important than anybody else? This young lady was not a saint. There is no place more dangerous than the USA where violent killing, robberies, kidnapping & disappearance are the norm everyday, not so in Aruba. So pls cut the sh… about Aruba, you are so selfish, self-righteous & wicked, you are not the only one with problems!! Everything or everybody must stop still to only dedicate themselves to this problem the rest of their lives? How much % of crimes are quickly solved in the USA? The whole world is full of serious problems. All over needs attn. It’s time that women start to respect themselves when they are out & know the dangers that are associated with strange men.

    68. super dave on November 6th, 2006 1:48 pm

      we just got rid of one greta, now we have another one to run off ! if you don’t like the site, carry your a$$ !it’s time for men to pay more respect to women they don’t know.
      this is not about the United States in case you’re not smart enough to see that, which i figure is the case with most of the trolls. you poor misguided dumba$$ fool , you are so ignorant that you don’t know how many people have been murdered in aruba in the last year. you need to brush up on your island’s news about drugs , rape, and murder and hope you’re not next !

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