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Paulus Van der Sloot June 23, 2005 Statement
The following are some excerpt from the witness statement, go here for full statement. The question that everyone should always keep in mind, is how from the very beginning of this case with the admitted contact that PVDS had with three suspects was the notion that if there “if there’s no body they don’t have a case”. (Hat Tip statement: BFN)
So how does Joran Van der Sloot, a teenager who does not have a car, normally get to school?
To your question whether Joran went to school on Monday May 30th 2005, I can state the following. I cannot precisely recollect whether Joran went to school that day. It is possible that he did not go to school that day.
To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they look the bus every day.
To your question whether I wait to see if they get on the bus, I can state following. Yes, I stay and watch.
So why did Joran Van der Sloot complain of leg pains? A long walk may do it.
To your question whether I can remember if Joran complained from legs in his feet or legs during the period from May 30th 2005 to June 9th 2005, I can state the following. I can remember that between the time Anita went to the Netherlands and the time he was arrested Joran did complain about pain in his legs and feet. I cannot remember, however, if he specifically complained about that on Monday.
To your question whether I asked him what could have caused the pains, I can state the following. No, I did not ask him. He complained about these kinds of pains from time to time.
Isn’t this the perfect answer from a trained lawyer. PVDS states he cannot remember on what day (June 1, 2005) he spoke with the suspects, yet in the same breath he says he talked with them from the “moment they were interviewed as witnesses”. The very first witness statements taken from Joran Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe were on May 31, 2005. So Paulus Van der Sloot admits talking to the three boys from the outset. Also, it was admitted by Joran Van der Sloot to Deepak Kalpoe during the conversation in the back of the squad car.
J says to the brothers: You said that he (Joran’s father) said that if there’s no corpse there’s no case, or I don’t know what more sorts of shit.
J says to the brothers: That’s not true, the only thing he (Joran’s father) said that if there’s no body there don’t have a case.
Of course we also learned in that exchange that PVDS arranged the attorneys for both Deepak & Satish. Now why would Paulas Van der Sloot involve himself in this matter?
J says to D: My friend, the only thing my father wanted to do was to help you.
J says to D: My father only wanted to help you. My father even arranged a lawyer for you.
J says to D: And this is how you pay him back.
The question that should remain foremost and on everyone’s mind is how and why would Paulas state (or is it because he knew) that “if there was no body, they don’t have a case”?
To your question whether I had a talk on June 1st 2005 with Joran, Deepak and Satish about the case of the missing girl. I do not remember if this was on the 1st of June 2005. I did talk a lot with Deepak, Satish and Joran, from the moment they were interviewed as witnesses until they were arrested. We of course read the newspapers, saw the news and talked about it. I also was in almost daily contact with Jan van der STRATEN. I did not doubt the truthfulness of their story for one second. When we talked about the girl, we discussed what could happen if the girl would not re-appear. I was under the impression that the boys assumed that she would re-appear sooner or later. Af course we also discussed what if the girl did not re-appear. From what little information I got from Jan van der STRATEN, I got some hope that the girl was seen after she was dropped off at the Holiday Inn. He did not say this in so many words but I took that as an explanation as to why the boys weren’t asked to give further statements to the police.
Full statement can her read here.
Posted October 21, 2006 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Natalee Holloway, NH Statements, Paul Van der Sloot | 128 comments |
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To all the criminals involved in this case……….be damn glad that its not my daughter, for if it was you can bet your ass, you all would be very, very ((edit … extremely sorry beyond words)))!
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SM: We get your point, … it does not take a brain surgeon to see and read info that was gathered in this case to find the people responsible. The more that comes out, the more obvious the cover up was.
r
“I can remember that between the time Anita went to the Netherlands and the time he was arrested Joran did complain about pain in his legs and feet.” So, did only Anita and the two boys go to the Netherlands? Paulus was home the entire time with Joran. Interesting.
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I would like to see the transcripts of the day that “Something bad happened”and of a confession. We all saw that Oduber and Dompig went on record and announced that publicly. From what I remember the FBI either saw these interviews or saw the documents and they were convinced enough to tell natalees parents that she was no longer living. We all know the next day everything changed. One day joran went from breaking down and crying and the next day he told dutch reporters he was being framed.
Those Aruba Bay Vidoes must have something to do with natalee. The ALE now claims it was the body of a young boy from years earlier? He was in several peices? Strange how this never made any newspaper and we have a bunch of unmarked vehicles and rental cars. That missing video must have something on it!!!
Speaking of someone in several pcs.. Where is pitbulls family? How about the wife that decipated her husband days after natalee went missing.. Is she in prison??
Instead of a lot offending talks can somebody give me a real update of the investigation, in which stadium is the investigation, how many people work on it, what are the chances that there will be a solution this year etc etc
I guess the investigation will depend on whether anyone really wants to read what has already been said and actually question why lies and double talk were allowed to pass as the truth.
An investigation is only as good as those that investigate and whether they wish to actually find an answer vs. cover up for others.
R
#6, sm, you’re right on the money, there.
dennisintn
Well, anyone with any sense of reason can see what went on here, exactly what Scared Monkeys has been saying for MONTHS.
Maybe Peter De Vries can dig up some more facts. Maybe the Dutch Team will have access to Koen Gottenbos’s , Guido Wever’s, Freddy Zedan, Alexander Gottenbos’s statements.
And other assorted ” witnesses” or members of the Aruba BullCrap Team.
Convenient short term phughing memory Puddles! It’s all a crock of crap!
Nova June 29, 2005
Reporter: It is the evening, Jeroen, on which the parents of Natalee fly into Aruba. More precisely, the mother and the stepfather. They don’t believe she just walked away, or that there is nothing wrong. They are sure something serious is going on. So they take the first plane from Alabama, where they are from, to here, Aruba, and arrive in the evening. They go to the Police and together go to the house of Joran, of the van der Sloot family . Then, it is night already, around two. In the middle of the night, they arrive there with a company of Police and other people and they ring. The father, van der Sloot is sleeping, he opens the door and asks, “What is going on? Why are you here?” ” For our disappeared daughter, who was last seen with your son.” He doesn’t know all that yet. The father van der Sloot goes to an apartment, next to the house, where Joran always sleeps and opens the door and Joran is not in his apartment. He is not sleeping there. And then, the father picks up the mobile phone, he calls his son and he appears to be in a casino somewhere here on Aruba at that time. And that is where we pick up the story. The son is in a casino and eventually there is a meeting at the house of van der Sloot with all these people. The parents of Natalee, the son and the father.
Current Suspect Paulus van der Sloot: He WAS, AT THAT MOMENT, AGAIN, NOT AT HOME WITHOUT ME KNOWING IT. Then, I called Joran on his mobile phone, and then he said that he was by the Wyndam. That is also a casino here in the neighborhood. Then, we drove there immediately, but he had, he said that he had misunderstood me, because he came home already. So, then all of us went back home, and around three, with quite a group, we spoke with Joran that night.
June 23rd… Paulus
I can also remember he had told me that he
was going to enter the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham. I had
told him that he could always call me if he wanted to be picked up
to go home. He said that he would do this or that he would hitch
a ride home with someone.
It’s a simple question, Paulus.
Did Joran go to school or didn’t he?
Do you not know what your son does?
Are you using selective memory, Paulus?
It is a disgrace that “I don’t recall” is accepted as Paulus’s answer.
This was an important question!
Recall, this, Paulus:
YOUR SON JORAN is still the primary suspect.
Natalee Holloway, most likely dead, was last seen with YOUR SON JORAN.
I thought Joran didn’t play for money, so what’s the 500 guilders for? Paulus was supposed to have stated first he picked Joran up at 4 am the night Beth and the group was there, then changed it to 11pm. Isn’t it lovely that Paulus calls the police Jan by their first names? Another statement Paulus says he took Joran his bag and gave it to him while he was walking to the Wyndham, here he can’t remember if he had his bag or not. Joran didn’t go to school on Monday, Satish didn’t go to school on Monday and Deepak was home, giving them much more time.
Why if the cops come to your home looking for your son are going to load up how many carloads of people and go off to the Wyndham, when all you have to do is say the cops are here get your A$$ home now. Some reason it was important to get everyone away from the Sloot home for awhile. They never counted on Beth arriving so fast. Time to clean up and maybe send Satish away with something, since he wasn’t there when they all arrived back? Joran said on Greta, he had just left the Raddison and was on his way to the Crystal, not the Wyndham, when he got a call from his father.
One other BIG thing. HOW DID JORAN AND DEEPAK KNOW THEY NEEDED TO LIE RIGHT AWAY, not once, not twice, but over and over?????? Why in the world would a man hire 3 witnesses a son and his 2 friends lawyers, if you believed they were telling the truth? His story don’t hold water either and I don’t buy the amnesia stuff. If he had amnesia he wouldn’t be allowed to pass a bar exam or try out to be a judge.
They know what happened to Natalee.
I was under the impression that the boys assumed that she would re-appear
sooner or later. Af course we also discussed what if the girl did not re-appear.
From what little information I got from Jan van der STRATEN, I got some hope
that the girl was seen after she was dropped off at the Holiday Inn.
If she was seen then why did Straten make the statement to a Dutch reporter on June 5th he believed Natalee was dead, he seen the evidence and the reporter hadn’t.
justice #12. Paulus did NOT have to answer. The laws in Aruba are the same in the USA on this one. You can take the 5th In the USA and also in Aruba.
FLIPPING TV CHANEL GRETA…saw last one minute and looks like Joran and the two Kalpoes are going back to “court” next month. Julia Renfrog was on Fox. I don’t have any of the details since I caught half a minute or so of it.
Thought someone would have posted something on SM… Will check within the next hour to see if any updates are posted. Interested in getting the full story on this.
The more info that comes out…
the more in my heart of hearts I realize
IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANYBODY ELSE but those
gangraping murdering Van der Sloots and
Kalpoes of ARUBA.
They sure are very hard workers though. I have
never seen people work so furiously at throwing
hunting dogs “off the scent.” OR MORE APROPOS…
“ODOR”
Justice for Natalee
Boycott Aruba in to the dirt.
No rest for the wicked!
tee heh heh heh
Sharon from Chicago called that ol’ Julia POS
“RENFROG”
now that tickles me.
They can bring J2K back to court, but they are a distraction.
Paulus is your perp.
When are the Dutch Investigators going to VOID all judgements made to protect and insulate Paulus from this crime?
They have now been in Aruba for a month and to my knowledge they have made no efforts to begin the process of ‘unpeeling the layers of the onion”. It starts with Paulus….he should be jailed with J2K. md
“Your daughter is missing!”
I can only imagine the horror that those words brought to Dave Holloway. Then they told him, “no, she only missed the flight. Then—”she really is missing.”
I can only imagine the pain, the shock–like cold, cold blood being transfused into your body. It just zaps your strength to the core, you’re instantly cold beyond re-heating. Nothing takes that cold that has crept into you soul away. Even the morrow of your bones is cold.
Dave got to Aruba remarkable fast. He knew beyond any doubt that something was wrong. Dave, a man of peace and great convictions and faith is told—”How much money do you have?” He felt 2000 years of battle field genetics surge through his veins. He felt the ancient call to arms. To take the sword and strike, yet he remained calm. The life of his daughter depended on him remaining calm. He had to make friends, not strike enemies.
What would a father think? “If only I had been there.” If only I had been there to protect. Memories of the first time He saw Natalee rush through his mind. He remembers Natalee as a tiny baby. He remembers how he held her so gently in his hands. How he thought she would always be tiny and helpless, totally dependent on him and her mother for all her needs. He remembers, he sees her face, he hears her voice. “Daddy, help me.”
What a horrible day it must have been when Dave convinced himself that Natalee may have been thrown into the land fill. A precious, valuable, noble, innocent life, taken for selfish and evil reasons and then just discarded. The warrior in him speaks again. “Take your sword, Dave, strike.”
At first Dave thought it would all come to light. The things that his investigative mind were telling him were pushed aside. They have to be helping. They want a resolution as much as I do. They care about Natalee. They care about me. They care about Beth. They must care. They are human. They care about the truth.
As time passed, Dave began to see that there would be no resolution. There would be no end, because the scrip was constantly being rewritten, and there was not just one scrip writher. There were many. They were all re-writing the story because they knew the ending, but they don’t want anyone else to know. They made it something different. They planned it. They covered the ending, they hid it, they buried it. They destroyed it. The ending can never be told. There is no one who will tell it, and all has vanished.
The age of truth, and honesty, and deficiency, and innocence—it’s vanished.
It’s vanished–like the person whose life reflected all of these traits.
May the Lord bless you, Dave Holloway. May He give you justice.
#l2and#l5
taking the 5th is the same as saying you’re guilty. but he didn’t even take the 5th, he lied and said he couldn’t remember.
dennisintn
WE ARE ALL standing by to see where the chips fall with the Holland investigation. We don’t know what direction this case is going yet…only can hope and pray that the inbred activities of Aruba handling an inept investigation stops in their blood line and does not continue through their fatherlands…the Hague..
I am hoping that the guilty will not be able to walk again!
CARPE NOCTEM …:O) RENFROG = A rare Aruban species half bird, half frog – lives off of desert lizards & Joran’s lies…
They are so guilty it’s disgusting. It’ no longer a matter of proving them so with hardcore evidence, their own statements paint them into a corner.
So now it’s just a matter of Does Aruba continue to protect them, or do they continue to suffer the consequences.
if all 3 of them went to the same school, why would jvds not ride the same bus the other 2 boys rode?
dennisintn
OK, lets think here a minute. Paulus was in the Netherlands and came home around 5pm that horrible night, this is what he told the ALE in one of his first statements, that he went right to the casino to play with Joran in Poker before even going home, am I getting this wrong? If I am, will someone please correct me? Was it not also said by him that one of the kids were with Anita also? I do believe it was the youngest. So how could he have eaten with them earlier in the week? How could “THEY” have missed the bus? Paulus wasn’t there to eat with THEM! Paulus wasn’t THERE! Now if “I” can figure these lies out, why can’t the DUTCH INVESTGATORS? I am no rocket scientist, but by rights, they are supposed to be. Paulus, for a Judge in training, you are just as bad as your son with the lies!
Happy Birthday Natalee, I am still praying for your return.
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SM: We all remember the same, that he arrived back in Aruba around 4 or 5, but I haven’t been able to locate any interview saying this. I’m wondering if it was early misinformation? (klaasend)
Whatever happened Paulus and Joran know. Undoubtedly they are guilty or they could tell. If they weren’t it would have not been so many lies and false alibis. The FBI says he is a psycopath and Aruba lets him wander around just like everything is ok. Could they not lock him up in a mental hospital? What the hell are those idiots in charge thinking? Does the ATA advertise that they let known psycopaths wander the island, rapes not punisble by law not even up to murder.
Forthright devious minds control Aruba. They commit perversions you have never even thought of. Their minds are past the point of return.. Their life is lust and power. It rules them. They have no consideration of other people except to serve their deviant purposes. They lie and kill to protect their deviant behaviour. At all costs they will do anything from this ever being proven in court…
To the deviants in Aruba, one person does matter, you are just numb from your perverted life. To any other Aruban if it doesn’t matter to you, I am truly sorry for you. Damit we want some kind of resolution here. You are on a downward spiral, do you not see that, things are not what they were and will never be.. Thats for Arubans, sick old men and ALE.
Precisely, Mr. Dennis.
I may be incorrectly recalling this, but I seem to remember reading before that ISA is a very small
school. The grades run from K to HS
students. I was under the impression they all
rode the same bus.
How can Paulus remember
2 of his sons, but not Joran, provided
they are all catching the same bus?
*flag: I may very well be under the wrong impressiom
that they all ride the same bus.
HAPPY HALLOWEEN PEOPLE
http://tinyurl.com/y45jt6
Justice 4 Natalee
Did anyone see The Lineup tonight besides me? They said that the Kalopes and Joran would be back in court next month but no reason why. It was only a short 2-3 minute lead-in on the show. Said the Dutch were or had been in Aruba investigating and that someone said that if no evidence is found of guilt on these three all charges will definitely be dropped 2 years after Natalee’s disappearance. So what do y’all think this means? Do you think they are going to court to have the charges dismissed now or do you thing they actually found some evidence against the lying, raping, murdering “Pimps?” Opinions…please!
SHWEET!
———
Good catch # 10.
You are always ‘ON POINT’, lady.
That is a compliment!
J4N
Transcript of Lineup/courtesy Andie of BFN:
THE LINE UP with Kimberly Guilfoyle – October 21, 2006 – Verbatim Transcript
Guest Host: MEGYN KENDALL
Guest: JULIA RENFRO
MEGYN: BREAKING NEWS IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION:
(I missed her first line, so I will start from where I picked up. Sorry.)
MEGYN: Van Der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers are headed back to court again. Tell us why.
RENFRO: Yes, Megyn. We are under the understanding that ALL THREE OF THESE MAIN SUSPECTS are going to ask the court system…as early as November the 1st, to clear their names from the case; as they are all stating that nothing new has been introduced into the case against them for over a year.
MEGYN: And WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN? Our viewers will probably remember that Joran’s father did this…successfully. What are THE CHANCES IT WILL HAPPEN FOR THESE THREE?
RENFRO: Right. Well, it is a little bit DIFFERENT SITUATION for these three…OBVIOUSLY, because…especially for JORAN, WHO IS THE LAST KNOWN TO BE SEEN WITH NATALEE HOLLOWAY.
The situation we are in right now is, since the NEW DUTCH AUTHORITIES have been asked to help with, OR ACTUALLY TAKE OVER THIS CASE…and namely THE KLPD…and they are CURRENTLY investigating and going through ALL THE STATEMENTS, all any TYPE OF SUSPICIONS, or WHAT THEY MIGHT CALL EVIDENCE.
And WITH THAT, WE BELIEVE THE PROSECUTOR WILL PRESENT THAT to the judge, as it is IMPOSSIBLE TO RELEASE THESE THREE MAIN SUSPECTS, BECAUSE THE DUTCH AUTHORITIES ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE CASE.
MEGYN: NOT YET OVER, and these THREE GUYS ARE STILL TECHNICALLY IN THE HOT SEAT.
Now, I mean, Julia, what is the LEGAL SIGNIFICANCE, if you know, of it…like, if they are declared “officially cleared,” is there something that they can do THEN that they can’t do NOW?
RENFRO: NO, it could very well just be for self-feeling or maybe to get permits to stay on the Island longer, or really we are not familiar with the details of WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO DO THIS; because actually after two years, which would be JUNE 07, ALL THREE OF THEM WILL BE RELEASED AS SUSPECTS IN THIS CASE.
And that doesn’t mean THAT IF THEY FIND some evidence against any one of these THREE BOYS, that THEY WOULD BE REINTRODUCED AS SUSPECTS.
(The wording in this statement confused me, and I played it over and over…this is the way it is stated to the best of my knowledge. However, I understand that Renfro means: if some evidence is found against the three suspects, they can be reintroduced as suspects, even if they are released in November as suspects. Is this the way everyone else understands it, too?)
MEGYN: And let me ask you this, we all know that Joran Van Der Sloot is out of the country NOW going to college, but what about the two Kalpoe brothers? Are they out and about on the Island of Aruba…living their lives normally?
RENFRO: Yes…I am not sure about “normally,” you know they’re still SUSPECTS IN THE CASE, and you know it probably feels pretty bad for them. I actually don’t know, but they are working, and the younger of the two is still in school. So, yes, they are out and about.
MEGYN: GOT IT. Interesting…well, we will be watching to see WHAT HAPPENS AT THIS COURT HEARING IN NOVEMBER.
Julia, thanks so much for the update.
RENFRO: You are welcome.
No wonder Paul couldn’t cut it as a judge, hahaha maaan…that statement….and thats the one he/they settled on & signed! Think of how low the bar’s been set for being a judge on the abc island Aruba and Paules still couldn’t cut it! Speaks volumes dosn’t it…. and he’s set the bar even lower for Jerkoff & the other 2 sons.
http://tinyurl.com/yhbpaw
This is the 1st time i’ve heard PVDS was depositing money, i’ve only heard that he was taking cash not in. But he just said it was a free tournament?? Worthless Liar.
lmao Carpe!~
I’m still laughing at the richard simmons pic with outstretched arms saying
“Gaydough You Are So Gay”
And Now its Raining Men!
hahaha
#34
you never heard about winning money when you enter a tournament?
http://no-to-arubanboycott.blogspot.com/
Not to mention, that Joran lied because he didn’t want every one to know he left a girl on the beach alone (no gentleman would do such a thing )but then he describes to everyone how he “fingered” her in the car? What a lying POS, him and his dad both.
Reference is made to the three being interviewed as WITNESSES.
Now, one of the early points in the case that baffled everyone was that, under Dutch law, suspects can lie to the police but witnesses cannot.
This statement seems to pin down that the three were interviewed as WITNESSES.
And their lies are beyond counting.
So how about it, Aruba … didn’t you have something to go on from the very first day, according to PvdS’s own words?
If you ever wanted to, that is.
As for whether the three appear in court to clear their names … if Aruba thinks it can get away with it, who knows what might happen? In my view, they must realize that such an action would be the very thing needed to unleash a fresh torrent of hostility. But would they care?
We know that Prime Minister Oduber told a Dutch newspaper that he wants to see the case closed.
Those of us who are concerned … i.e., most of us who post here except for the few who come to annoy … should take steps to let it be known that we will not forget.
Maybe it’s time to start thinking seriously about a newspaper ad? How about if we were to advertise in Diario or some other of the Aruban newspapers? At least such an ad would be noted in Aruba … and would not cost what the New York Times ad would?
And remember … when he says “no body, no case,” he still could be meaning “since Natalee was taken off the island, they can’t prove if she ran away, went missing, is dead, etc. And I know she isn’t coming back.”
PAUL VAN DER SLOOT – ROCKET SCIENTIST
NOT !!!!!!!!!!!
what a doofus, i think paulus reads here and i think he knows its just a matter of time before his son goes down
Did anyone see The Lineup tonight besides me? They said that the Kalopes and Joran would be back in court next month but no reason why. It was only a short 2-3 minute lead-in on the show. Said the Dutch were or had been in Aruba investigating and that someone said that if no evidence is found of guilt on these three all charges will definitely be dropped 2 years after Natalee’s disappearance. So what do y’all think this means? Do you think they are going to court to have the charges dismissed now or do you thing they actually found some evidence against the lying, raping, murdering “Pimps?” Opinions…please!
Comment by Judy W. | October 22, 2006, 1:00 am
Judy,
Surley they are not going to drop charges. There seems to be a lot of evidence on these 3 (if only circumstantial). The lies they have told if nothing else is incriminating. But then, they had essentially the same thing on Paulus, and he was dismissed as a suspect.
The only way I can see them dismissing charges is if they (the Dutch) have some new, very hard evidence that someone else was responsible for Ntalee’s disappearance.
Let’s face it, the J2Ks are guilty as hell. We know that, the world knows that, Joran’s other victims know it; and if the Dutch investigators are legitimate, they know it too.
There is a very dark, dark side to Aruba. I think we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.
If the word only knew, but then again the “world” knows a lot of horrible things and yet no one seems to care.
Jerry
mayan_moons,
Since you have brought up money, I googled Paul V. a few months ago; and I found some interesting stuff. It seems that he had some land somewhere on Aruba. Aruba needed the land to improve the intersection at that location, because there had been so many traffic fatalities. Paulus would not sell. He held out for major bucks. I’m not making any judgments here, but I just thought it was interesting and explains where Paulus has gotten some of his money. Have you read anything along these lines. I’ll go back and try to find the article if anyone is interested.
To all,
Okay, if I had some land and the government wanted it or some industry wanted it, I would hold out for big bucks. If I were told that by selling the land I could save lives, I would still hold out: but I would not sleep very well. The decision would haunt me continually, and I would sell the land with little desire for gain. As far as someone else desiring the land for any other reasons, nothing much would bother me. Just because someone else desires what I have doesn’t motivate me to sell. In that case, monetary gain only would motive me.
Let’s see you can’t remember what day Anita left for the Netherlands or how long she was there? Got it right, but you can remember minute other details. got it right. GET CHECKED FOR YOUR LONG TERM MEMORY LOSS AND WHO THE EFF WANTS A JUDGE WHO CAN’T REMEBER.
WHY DID PAULUS SAY CRIME AND BODY?
WATERBOY…yes, common sense would say they (Dutch) would not drop the case by closing it, based on the statements from the perps…BUT…Aruba did and found justification to let them go and not convict them.
What different will the dutch do based on statements that were turned over to them from ALE? They may just say nothing has transpired and we can no longer hold the suspects any longer?
I am HOPING that they will say that the statements are convicting from the suspects and that the constant lies told during statements can be used against them.
I am also HOPING that someone “deep throat” has come forward to reviel new evidence that points toward the guilty…a piece of the puzzle that will let towards an arrest and eventual conviction.
Julia Renfrog’s first statement acted like the Dutch were going to probably close the case since there is no new evidence that she knows of…etc…
I am HOPING that they re-interview the suspects and do it the right way without offering them pierre water and bon bons during the INTERROGATION!!
WOW…PAULUS was interviewed and time and time again he used the words “I can’t remember”…and the ALE allowed him to get away with that BS…. then to release him as being a suspect…it is disgusting…DOES THE DUTCH operate the same way…God forbid!!
I pray that one of the cops “good cops” as Dave Holloway had mentioned there are a few…comes forward for next months interrogation and is a witness to what happened in that police station from the moment Natalee was listed as being missing to the release of the suspects…SOME of the COP’s THERE saw and heard the injustices and probably have been walking around in guilt because of what they know…I pray they talk and have done so already!!
I hope that lead dectives hired by Beth & Dave have come up with more incrimating evidence…talked to the dealers at the casino’s to find out if Joran won money or not…bank statements to check on deposits and withdrawals Paulus made, etc. etc. etc….and passed on this info to the DUTCH!!
PAULUS LIAR…LIKE FATHER LIKE SON!!
I DO like the fact the the DUTCH were there for a month and kept it quiet as to them being there…gave them more time to focus on what and who they needed to…
I have to believe that Joran, Deepak, Satish’s foundation of confidence will crumble…they will not be as strong as they were before, being interrogated by the DUTCH!!
POLICE CAR CONVERSATION… Joran says to Deepak..
“You know what happened to the girl (meaning Natalee). If you don’t, know then nothing happened to her.
I think what Joran is saying here is “you do know what happened to Natalee”… If you don’t squell and play it dumb…”then you are taking the stand that you do not know what happened to Natalee”…
That whole car conversation, the DUTCH team should be able to convict the perps on what was being said. They should be able to stop the circus of lies…and…Crack the case..
1906,
Are you out there? Are you doing Okay? I’m concerned, with your health problems and all. Hang in there. It will only get better. Sometimes it get worse before it gets better.
How would you like to have Paulus for a lawyer
He would go to court and tell the judge “I dont remember”
now there is a good defense… NOT
waterboy, i think that land incident happened in holland. the govt. needed to correct a major road problem that was costing many lives and a lot of property damage. paulus fought for l0 yrs. against selling a small part of the vds estate to make the necessary corrections. if i remember the article correctly, there were several documents missing in that suit too. seems like the king suit on aruba had missing documents too that made it possible for king to win the suit. now, we have statements by his son missing in natalee’s case and no telling many other documents and evidence “lost”.
dennisintn
Richard, good points made in #38.
Thanks dennisintn,
I guess when you let the cat watch the fish pond, occasionally there will be a few fish missing.
I couldn’t tell where the property was. From the description and the number of accidents at the location, I thought it was a little strange for Aruba.
Do you know how much he got?
al.com says dave is going to be on kimberley guilfoyle’s show sunday night. maybe dave will have some new information for us.
dennisintn
Who was home that night?
GRETA FOX 3/1/2006
Interviewer: Were you there earlier with your father that day, or had he left or…
Joran van der Sloot: My father doesn’t like casinos at all. He doesn’t want me playing in casinos at all, either. But I convinced him to come that day to the casino and play that tournament because he… because it was a free tournament. I said, I have the chance… I want you to come with me and you can just play one time and see how it is. So you see, you know, why I go play, too, because it’s just a social thing. It’s a… it was a fun thing to do.
And yes, so my dad had come with me. And halfway through, he… because my mom at the time was in Holland, halfway through, he had to go back home to my little brother because he was home alone.
-j4n-
Comment by Sharon Chicago | October 22, 2006, 10:57 am
I am also HOPING that someone “deep throat” has come forward to reveal new evidence that points toward the guilty…a piece of the puzzle that will let towards an arrest and eventual conviction.
To Sharon,
Have you ever noticed that a “kick you in the face” is always preceded by a statement like “I would walk over hot coals for Joran.”
Maybe we do have a song bird in Sander Gottenbos. For sure, he knows something.
His my space says he is married.
Funny story—I was walking down town the other day, and I saw this inmate being walked down the street by a Sheriff deputy who is a friend of mine. This inmate I knew from the 80s, and I know his mom too (very sweet lady). I fell in stride with the inmate and the deputy (who was very tolerant). I called the inmate by name and I ask him how he was doing. (same old story–I’m innocent). Well, anyway he was telling me that he had committed a crime (4th. time, same crime), posted bail: and hit the road to another state.
I ask the inmate, “how did they find you?” “When they arrested me, I ask the same question.” The swat team said, “we tracked you down from your my space, you dumb a$$.”
I guess the deputy had not heard the story, cause when I started laughing, he started laughing, and then the inmate started laughing. People were really looking at us funny, and that made the laughing harder to stop.
It’s a dumb story, but the inmate added, “they had guns and everything.”
ARUBA!
“HO HUM” SEZ I.
I have had up to my retinas with
all the lies. I believe A LOT of people
are tired of your snit.
…and this is what I’m sayin’
——————————–
D I R T Y L A U N D R Y – Don Henley
———————————–
CA Unedited 9/2005
Reporter: How can you not know her name, if you saw her the night before?
Joran van der Sloot: Well, I saw her the NIGHT BEFORE, but it was not like I had a conversation with her for 3 hours. I mean we barely talked. She told me a couple of things about herself, where she was going to school. Where she was from. She told me a couple of things about her family that I thought was really strange. And that was about it. (Motorcycle noise)
NOVA 2/2006
Joran van der Sloot: Well eh.. I haven’t known her for very long. I met her the SAME DAY, she asked me to go out with her , and I did, when I arrived she had been drinking, she was a little drunk, but she wasn’t someone that I would like to have a relation with, she wasn’t really nice or supersweet, let me put it that way.
CURRENT AFFAIR unedited 9/2005
Joran van der Sloot: One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that.
Joran van der Sloot: Obviously, she was drunk.
GRETA FOX /2006
Joran van der Sloot: Oh… she’d been drinking, but she wasn’t drunk.
Joran van der Sloot: NOVA 2/2006
She was a little drunk
VANITY FAIR — Joran to Charles Croes – 2005
He said Natalee was so drunk she was drifting in and out of consciousness. Joran said he left her at the beach and walked home. During weeks of questioning, the Kalpoes backed up his new story.
( My best guess, they backed him up after the A.L.E. Van Girl Scout Cookout! )
BOYCOTT ARUBA IN TO THE DIRT
Jail the serial lying, murdering, raping
Joran, Paulus, Satish, and Deepak.
-J4N-
http://tinyurl.com/z2wkj
#54, waterboy, i don’t think the family had to give up the land for any price. the govt. finally chose a secondary, less adequate route. i’m sure i got this from wikipedia, but they way they’ve edited every thing else about natalee, and jvds, they’ve probably sanitized paulus’ entries also. i no long trust wikipedia on anything after reading the justifications they’ve used on natalee and jvds entries.
dennisintn
Let me point out with a laser pen the
following:
Joran gets dropped of with Natalee near the MARRIOTT
PALM BEACH ARUBA.
510-24 Basin is real close to Water Basin.
Paulus admits to bringing Joran a bag
in the same area as J is walking to
Racquet Club… he is in the area
near the Marriott. -J4N-
# 1021
http://tinyurl.com/yxb749
sharon #48, The dutch can NOT question them. IMO they are getting ready to close this case. This is why the suspects are going to court Nov. 1st. IMO Their lawyers have been told it is over !!
Just to clarify…
Paulus claims he brought the bag to
Joran later.
5/30/2005 in the evening.
J4N
Kerrrrrrr-Blap!
http://tinyurl.com/k82hc
Yes, where is 1906 are we all hope your doing good. We look forward to your posts.
I don’t remember : new slogan for Aruba
Where is are your tourists? I don’t remember. Why don’t you have any tourists? I don’t remember. Who is Paulus VDS? I don’t remember?
Yea 1906 I hope you are doing OK. I need you back here to help me set people straight.
Julia RENFROG … now that ‘s a pix I would like to see.
Renfrog is funny but what about the phrase “SHE HAS A NAME” How come people get PI$$ED off when they call Natalee “THAT GIRL” but get a kick out of calling other people names. I DON’T GET IT ??????
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SM: Renfrog sounds about right to me http://tinyurl.com/y5rpqc (klaasend)
klaas, LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you have anything for DUMBPIG ??? What about GRETA ????????????
JusticeforNatalee (#53): Thanks. How about #39 also?
Seriously, though, I’ve been thinking about one of Joran’s remarks in the taped squad car talk with the Kalpoes. It was something like, “I’d laugh if they ever found that girl alive.”
Now, many if not most people here think that the three killed Natalee, or at the very least did not give her help that might have saved her (if she were overdosed on a date-rape drug, for example, or if they had bound and gagged her and she was choking, or whatever).
In that case, wouldn’t it seem ridiculous for him to add the word “alive”? Assuming that they all knew that she was dead and where her body had been disposed of?
Wouldn’t he just say, “I’ll laugh if they ever find her”?
Now, suppose Joran knows that she was indeed taken off Aruba, and at that point was still alive. That adds meaning to his words: “I’ll laugh if they find her alive, because the guys who took her will make sure they don’t.”
But it sounds to me as though he’s intimating she might still BE alive. it’s only one statement, though….
the update i saw said the dutch team just arrived in aruba,and the guilty parties were going back to court to be declaired no longer suspects.
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SM: Where did you see this update. What we have read is that the Dutch team has just completed phase #1 in Aruba and has gone back to the Netherlands to review and decide how to proceed. Also, regarding the suspects, it’s been said that the Kalpoes and maybe Joran will be going to court the first part of November to try to be released as suspects. (klaasend)
read a post on here a few days ago,said one pic from the videos clearly showed natalees face,any update on that.
#56 Carpe…
He had to hurry and get back home because his brother would be home alone..however the next night when the cops show up with Beth at 3am.. they all load up and drive around and go to the Wyndham and not once is it mentioned about either of Joran’s brothers or the idea they were home alone. For some reason it was important to get everyone away from the house. Only the night Paulus needs an excuse for leaving the casino, does he have to get home to watch the brother.
Another big farce from Paulus.. Try their best to find the girl. Who is he kidding. They never did one thing to find Natalee, and tried to do everything they could to keep anyone else from finding out anything.
At that moment I wanted for
Joran to go to his apartment and I wanted to return to bed. Joran
however said that we should try our best to help and find this girl.
JulieRubie, boy they dug deep for someone for that interview. What a joke, who these days gives any creditibility to that old wash rag?
One more thing that occurs to me in re the line of thought in #70 … I’ve long suspected that PvdS was recruited by the drug cartel; it’s clear that a prospective judge would be a very useful ally for them to have.
Now think forward to the interview, early in the case, when PvdS was sweating profusely on camera. Was he afraid of Beth? The Aruba law enforcement? Any of them?
Nope, not in my view. He was terrified that the drug cartel would think he was a weak link, now that the media spotlight was on him and his family.
If he were to “squeal” about Natalee, or even if they thought he would do so, he could imagine what would happen to him and his family. (Something like what happened to that former bouncer in the cave, I suspect.)
No wonder he was nervous.
Hi Ben sir…
Was it this comparison slide?
http://tinyurl.com/yads48
J4N
http://tinyurl.com/ylflzk
rofl klaas, I loved your Renfrog.
Here’s my entry.
MMMMM A protein snack. nummy.
http://tinyurl.com/yz57p8
__________________
SM:Â
 I think yours is going to give me nightmares (klaasend)
To Richard,
I don’t know if you ever saw the move where the president’s daughter was kidnapped (I think it was a play on the Clintons), and then addicted to drugs (1906 would know the name). Of course, it was all fiction, but it really makes you think. There are places in the world where someone can never be found.
If Natalee is still alive, I think you have covered this months ago; but as you said they would keep her by addicting her to drugs so that she would not want to leave or it would be impossible to leave. Sometimes regardless of how strong you are physically, and emotionally—the drug thing there is just no escape. Especially if you are handcuffed to a bed, and someone injects you 3 times a day with heroin.
To Carpe,
Do you remember when we did the color picks on the material that the “ranger” was holding? We compared it to the fabric that Natalee was wearing the night she disappeared.
Why don’t you do some of your magic on the material and see where it goes?
To Carpe,
Something else. The plastic bag, there is no clothing other than the possible shoes, boots, correct?
Did you see what Sander G. said was his favorite shoe on his my space? Interesting.
I’m at my son’s house. (it’s 9:02 pm here). I won’t be home until after midnight, you won’t hear from me again tonight. So, monkeys in closing–good night, sleep tight.
#62 GRETAMAL…Well your Julia Renfrog was on Fox and said the three suspects are going to court…so how would you know that the case is being dismissed or closed????
Its hard to believe anything you say because you are ALWAYS negative and a downer on ever thinking that the TRUTH will come forth…YOUR GLASS IS PERMANENTLY HALF FULL OR I SHOULD REALLY SAY THAT IT’S ALWAYS EMPTY :O)
Carpe Noctem…Golly, that Renfrog is sure ugly…ha ha ha…and she speaks with a red fork tongue!! She likes to eat flys like Norman Bates does!!!
This is unbelievable! I can’t believe the Aruba did not separate Joran, Satish and Deepak and question them. What a joke!! Paul VDS even states the police were getting tired of the family wanting to know where Natalee was too on May 31st. I will never ever go to Aruba!
#70. Richard, Joran’s statement is very confusing when paired with the videos. It really makes me wonder what is happening on Aruba. How many people are killed and put into bags, and how many are taken off the island because some crime boss likes what he sees. If someone ever does find Natalee alive, I wouldn’t care if she had lost her mind. I would just want her back.
The Dutch made declarations about how incompetent the ALE investigation was. I certainly hope that this opinion is still on their minds as they go through the records on Aruba. If they feel free to announce their disgust with Aruban investigation, surely they would not want to put themselves in the same category. I hope that it is only rumor that the Dutch investigators are looking to close the case. If they have anymore brains than the ALE, the evidence and statements should yell loud and clear about who is guilty. Let us hope that even more evidence and statements have not been destroyed or altered.
I keep wondering when the crime world who pays SweatySloot will consider him and his stinky son no longer an asset. If they decide that SweatySloot and his stinky son are liabilities, “Look out, Baby, cuz here comes da judge”, and the cave.
molly (in Houston)
Hey Carpe!
I’m liking what you’re doing in these latest still Sir!~
I see the person on the ground soo much better, the outline of the body, i saw it on the still’s you made Fridayish….i was rotating it all arround i thought i saw that the head was being pulled back by pulling of the hair. Today i’m certain of it…..agree or disagree?~
Carpe!
you’ve got mail
Molly you’re comment “even if she’s lost her mind,we still want her back” just jerked my heart out. The things happening on aruba are beyond understanding unless one is as DARK HEARTED as Arubans.
Hi mayan_moons, I feel the same way. But it’s true, if Natalee was alive and being pumped with drugs and abused, she would be out of her mind, never to be the same. But I would want her back anyway. Dave and Beth would want her back. Amy Bradley’s parents want her back no matter what. It does jerk your heart, and your eyes. Just too awful to comprehend.
molly (in Houston)
Why did Deepak and Satish know they needed to lie many times the night Beth arrived?
that frog is kinda freaky Carpe! lol
Agreed, Molly, and one thing more to consider. We know that about a year after Amy Bradley vanished, an American sailor was in a Curacao brothel, and (though he didn’t reveal it until some years later) was approached by a girl who identified herself as Amy Bradley and who asked him to help her. Thinking it was a joke, he did nothing.
Not long after, the Bradleys were on their porch in Richmond, Va., when neighbors told them that they were being covertly photographed by two guys in a car down the road. The Bradleys approached the car, and it took off.
My point being: research into the “white slave” phenomenon (there are millions of victims of human trafficking a year, and Aruba has been identified as a transit point … but of course, Americans could never be victims, it only happens to Third World people, right?) shows that one technique often used to control the women is to tell them that if they escape, they will be dead. SO WILL THEIR FAMILIES.
The Bradleys say that they believe Amy would remain cooperative to protect her family. Certainly, in either Amy’s or Natalee’s case, a sudden abduction would be frightening enough. I hate to say this, but some degree of violence might well be used to, crudely, show them who’s boss now.
I’m not making this up; there are books on the phenomenon and there is victim testimony which repeatedly cites such threats. And they may not be empty threats … when Amy vanished, she had her driver’s license. That would have her address. Everyone in the world knows that Beth lives in Mountain Brook, AL.
So it’s something to consider; one more disincentive for the victims against running away. Naturally, none of my surmisings provides evidence that she was in fact taken off the island; but I don’t rule it out.
LOL Carpe
Rivet RRRRivet
Did anyone catch the name of the ale that did this? They come from the OFTEN OCCURING CRIME DISTRICT” WTF????Whats up with Freddys version? and why would papa sweat want to make sure the “BOYS DID NOT PANIC?Panic about what??? Afraid the drug Lords would be mentioned? Or Lorenzo???? and do you know why Urine gets backaches??? His head is way to big to hold up. hahahahahahah
Hi, Richard, I remember the story about the soldier and Amy Bradley. I seem to remember that he was afraid to confess that he had been to a brothel while in the military. Also he did not know the story about Amy Bradley. In any case, she was sighted and alive.
I know that you aren’t making up the ‘white slave’ scenario. There is the personal story about the Miss America who was abducted to another country. She eventually got away. Every time I get one of those postcards about a missing person, I wonder if the girl was taken for the sex market. I pray for each one because they obviously need help.
There is, of course, no proof that Natalee was taken anywhere. But there certainly are strong, very strong indications that other people higher up were involved in her demise.
So press on, Richard. The answers are out there. We just need for God to bring the answers and the girls close to home. Blessings.
molly (in Houston)
I AM WONDERING NOW WHAT LEGAL RIGHTS do Beth and Dave have now that the investigation has been passed over to the Dutch, if they find cause to charge Aruba with mis-handling this case? If they feel that the investigation was botched? Which I am thinking they will come to this conclusion based on statements and the lack of ALE investigating the suspects as they should have.
Will Beth and Dave be able to file a complaint to the Dutch government requesting a new investigation with
interrogating the suspects again…is that what is happening now?
Molly, was that the Miss America who, with some other girls, went to Brunei? As I recall, at one point all the girls were given some kind of tea or something, and all fell asleep … and when they woke up, they found that their clothing had been disarranged.
If the tales that they told are accurate, it is a miracle that they ever were allowed to leave the Sultan of Brunei’s palace. It’s a dead certainty that nobody there would have lifted a finger to help them.
A California court threw their case out, as I remember, saying it had no jurisdiction.
Another thing that strikes me odd: Dave Holloway in his book tells about his encounter with Daddy van der Scum.
DH said something about how he was always ready to forgive.
And then, if I’ve got this correct, PvdS looked at him with tears in his eyes and said something like “I appreciate your position, but I would do anything for Joran.”
Anything … like having an inconvenient girl taken off the island? And maybe handed over to one of the narcotics dealers with whom JvdS had connections?
Just an idea, but it’s worth noting here that Jane Becken of the U.S. State Department said on Aug. 27, 1996, that “drug traffickers have penetrated the highest levels of society and government institutions in … Aruba ….”
(She listed a slew of other Caribbean islands as well.)
Anyone think that the drug traffickers would think a judge in training as important enough to corrupt? I do.
Anyone Who Had Not Read The Entire
Statement of PVS Should Go Back And Do So…
There Are So Many Things In That Statement
That Should Be Confirmed !
Did PVS Go To Holland or Not ?
Did The Other Boys Go With Anita or Not ?
Why Did Anita Say They Did Early On ?
Why Would PVS Deposit Money Joran Won
At The Casino ? Hiding It From Anita ?
Why Would Joran Give His Father His
Gambling Winnings When He Was Planning
To Visit The Casino Again That Evening ?
Why Would Paulus Make A Special Trip To
The Bank To Deposit Such A Small Amount
of Cash — Or Was The Amount Much Larger ?
How Many Bank Accounts Does PVS Have In Aruba ?
What About Mike Posner ? Why Were There So
Many Questions About The Amounts of Winnings ?
What Did That Have To Do With Natalee ?
What Is The Significance of The Bag and
The Racquet Club ? Why Did PVS Say He Was
Gardening And At The Same Time Hiring Lawyers ?
Why Was PVS Logged On To His Computer Doing
Research When He Claimed To Be Sleeping ?
In Other Words – This Statement Should Be
Looked At Further By Forum and FP Posters –
Possibly Printed In Full Again
With Questions In Red After Some Of The B.S.
#96 Sharon: In one of Dana’s interviews a while back with Art Wood, Art said there are agreements between most countries (Aruba and US included), that once the other country closes the case, the FBI is given jurisdiction to take over the investigation. I don’t know what that means with regard to legal options, etc but at least it won’t be over once the Arubans close it.
#75, Richard, you feel that Paul van der Sloot was recruited by the mob/drugs-gangs. But what would they with one judge, or fot that matter even 2 or 3 judges?
In our legal system it is very difficult to tamper with judges. One would be better off buying a DA or something like that but even that is not going to be a slam-dunk for a gang either because there is no certainty that this DA will be doing their case.
#82, Sharon, a judge may be able to remove suspects from an investigation due to inactivity on the part of the DA but he/she/they cannot close investigations according to me. The only person who can decide that (to the best of my knowledge) is the DA running the case because he is the leader of the investigation.
Nychic #99
And the research Paulus was doing was about the effects of DRUG AND ALCOHOL COMBINATIONS.
HMMMM-I wonder why.
Isn’t it amazing a lawyer and a person who was a judge in training couldn’t remember all of this, but he can remember things in such great detail about what Joran said about Natalee. 24 I don’t remembers.
To your question whether Joran went to school on Monday
May 30th 2005, I can state the following. I cannot precisely recollect
whether Joran went to school that day.
But unlike Valentijn and
Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn’t go with the bus
once or twice during that period. But I do not remember exactly which
days he did not go with the bus.
To your question when Anita left for the Netherlands, I can
state the following. I cannot remember exactly
To your question if I tell you all the things I did on that
Monday the 30th of May 2005, I can state the following. I went to work.
The exact time I cannot remember
To your question whether I picked up Joran during the period
between May 30th 2005 and June 9th 2005, I can state the following.
It is possible but I cannot remember whether I did
To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping
or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else.
After depositing the money I went home. I cannot exactly remember
what time it was when I got home.
Whether Valentijn and Sebastian
where also there that Monday I cannot remember
Whether I went with Joran to eat at a fast food restaurant that
afternoon I cannot remember.
I think I dropped of Joran off at the “Raquet Club” at
approximately 17.00 hours. I could have been later though. I
cannot exactly remember anymore.
To your question whether I saw Joran enter the “Raquet Club”,
I can state the following. If I drop off Joran he normally walks inside.
As far as I can remember he did do that at this occasion too but I
do not know for sure.
Every time that he goes to play tennis he has a sports
bag with tennis equipment with him. I cannot visually play back in
my own mind whether I actually saw him carrying the bag.
According to me he certainly has them on
Monday. And there is one more day that he has lessons but I cannot
remember what exact day that is.
Joran occasionally has complaints like that. He sometimes
also complains about back-aches. Whether he complained that Monday,
I cannot remember.
To your question whether I subsequently went to the “Raquet Club”
to pick up his sports bag that he left behind there, I can state the following.
I cannot remember.
At approximately 18.00 on Monday May 30th 2005 I would have been home.
I cannot remember anymore if I picked up Sebastian and Valentijn or whether
they were dropped off at our home
I myself turned in for the night at approximately 23.00 hours.
Whether I at that moment checked to see if Joran was home I am not sure.
If I did not check whether he was
home then that was because I at that moment in time did not
think about that.
To your question whether I than would have called Joran to
ask him with whom he would drive home, I can state the following.
It could be that I called him but I do not remember whether I did.
Whether that happened on Monday May 30th
2005, I cannot remember.
To your question whether I told Joran who were with me,
I can state the following. I cannot remember whether I did.
To your question whether, in front of the casino, I had
mistakenly thought someone was Joran and pointe him out, I can
state the following. I cannot remember whether I did.
cannot remember what I did when I got home.
To your question whether I had a talk on June 1st 2005 with Joran,
Deepak and Satish about the case of the missing girl. I do not remember
if this was on the 1st of June 2005.
To your question whether I spoke to the boys at home on Wednesday
June 1st 2005 and about what we talked, I can state the following. I don’t
exactly remember anymore what days I spoke to the boys.
#101 Rammstein: How is it though that PVDS could have his house search excempt, cleared as a suspect, and awarded money for what amounts to illegal arrest?
I see what you are saying but where was the DA in those proceedings?
#105
there is only scant evidence Natalee was ever at the van der Sloot house, there is no evidence she was ever in the main house of the van der Sloot family. The police removed evidence from both the houses on the property, what more could they want?
i wonder if he can remember to unzip his pants before he uses the bathroom? i doubt it.
Richard, The Miss America that I mentioned above was Miss USA Shannon Marketic. She was duped by a fake modeling agency that sent sex slaves to Brunei. The lawsuit was dismissed because the purchaser of the sex slaves was the head of state and had immunity.
molly (in Houston)
Richard, Websites on Miss USA as well as Brunei:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zeroes/Sultan_Brunei.html
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/sultan1.html
#98,Richard…Hi…I also think it’s very possible the drug lords/mafia are somehow tied in with this case, although I think it happened by accident…such as perhaps one of them saw Natalee and passed the word that he liked what he saw, etc. Perhaps a deal was made with jvds or even pvds/jvds to deliver “the girl” and their gambling debts would be cleared. I think it’s very possible that j2k told Natalee they were going to a party and asked her if she wanted to come along, and she said yes, and they possibly took her to a Rave. Or maybe pvds was friends with one of them and when jvds got in a pinch after “something bad happened” he called the friend for help. Lots of possibilities. The reason I keep coming back to that theory is what Beth & Jug said early in the case about telling “something that would shock the world”. We have heard about a LOT of ugly stuff, but not yet anything that would actually “shock” us. For me it would also explain what Senator Bacchus meant when he said this goes way post being just a runaway teen. It IS way out in left field, I know, but hey, so is most of this case so far!! So to make a short story long, you said does anyone else agree with you on this, and I do.
Rammstein, who said that PvdS is the ONLY bought judge? The extent of drug influence in the Caribbean is vast; that cannot be denied. Nor do I have any evidence that this is the case; my argument was simply that, as the US State Department and others have said that the drug traffickers do indeed target governments (and the Dutch even intervened in Curacao once, owing to widespread corruption) … who better for them to have on their side than a judge, who has extensive powers?
Molly, I have read about that Miss America. Now, what’s interesting is that her successor as M.A. apparently also was in Brunei … but later she distanced herself from the suit. Does that undermine Shannon’s credibility, or does it indicate that the people who run the Miss USA pageant and that sort of thing didn’t want any controversy?
Anyway, our courts threw out the case.
And Gabby, it’s all hypothesis on my part. But I think that somehow, others got involved beyond Joran and the Pimps. I don’t think the three suspects are part of a white slavery ring. But I do think they, or some of the other Pimps (read, Lorenzo van Rijn?) had connections in the drug world.
And I think that somehow or other, someone asserted his claim to Natalee. It’s also possible that Joran ran to Daddy for help, crying that an American girl whom he had been seen with was being held (Daddy might not have been told the full story).
Anyway, we don’t have to assume that Natalee was taken off the island the night that she disappeared. I do think that other members of the Pimps were involved, and that it was planned that way from the start. But somehow, perhaps, someone either demanded that she become his, or the opportunity came up to have her taken off.
It’s also possible that the Pimps had calculated that they could take an American girl and sell her … maybe there’s more significance to the name of “Pimps” than most people seem to think! Could they be that depraved? I don’t know … but it’s an angle that we can’t dismiss.
Lots of ideas, lots of possibilities. What we do know is that there has been no sign of Natalee yet, and that in a few hours she vanished from sight.
As Mrs. Bradley said about Amy: “Someone saw her, wanted her, and took her.”
Just one thing more here, at the risk of boring everyone.
I believe the reward for bringing Natalee home is now $1 million. I think the reward for providing information leading to the discovery of what happened is less, but still substantial.
I don’t know about you, but $1 million is a lot of money to me. One would think that it might stimulate some people to “squeal,” assuming that more than one person is involved.
It’s interesting to me (I may be wrong on this) that, for all the lies and conflicting stories he’s told, JvdS has been reticent in discussing what he thinks did happen to Natalee. Obviously he’s been cautioned that opening his mouth will only mean he’s putting his foot in it … but despite lie after lie, story after story, this seems to be one area he doesn’t address much.
Wonder why that is? For a teen bully like he seems to be, isn’t the usual response to not only declare one’s self innocent, but to bluster about who else might be involved?
Leads me to wonder … why isn’t he talking about this? Why was PvdS sweating like a reservoir early in the case?
Maybe (only a hypothesis) because they know that if they speak up, they might incur the wrath of some people. And who could they be, whose anger would be so dangerous?
Recent case: a Mexican drug gang threw five human heads (severed) on a dance floor in some city. And we know about the guy who was burned, etc., in the Aruban cave. These drug gangs don’t seem to take “snitches” lightly.
One thing about the van der Sloots: everyone on Aruba knows who they are and where they can be found.
Just an idea ….
#111, Richard, there isn’t even proof to suggest Paul van der Sloot was a crooked judge in training (not an actual judge yet) let alone any evidence to even remotely suggest that any other judge was crooked.
And again, our legal system doesn’t really give extensive powers to 1 judge.
Hi again Richard…your #111 and 112 posts are things I have also contemplated, almost exactly, even including Lorenzo. Personally I think he may have played a part in this. And yes, I agree that it’s only a theory, but for me it sure puts a lot of the pieces of the puzzle into place. The one million dollar reward for example. I am totally convinced that more then j2k and pvds know what happened. So, why not claim that one million? Like you suggested, I think it’s because those who know value their lives and the lives of their families more. It’s so strange to my why this particular theory has been totally skirted around from the start when there is a world of information about this very thing going on still today, and I have even seen some documents that connect it to Aruba.
Thanks for your comments Richard.
Rammstein, I agree that, to my knowledge, there is no evidence that PvdS is corrupt or in cahoots with drug kingpins. It’s a surmise, a theory, and I don’t for one second claim that it’s a fact.
I also don’t think anybody has been looking for evidence.
All I know is that drug money corrupts, that Mafia money corrupts, that organized crime corrupts … and that Aruba has been a haven for smuggling since its origins.
And that it was on the U.S. list of leading countries for drugs.
And that the US State Department warned more than ten years ago that top levels of Aruban government and society had been infiltrated by drug barons and organized crime.
And somehow I don’t think things have changed.
And again … if you were drug traffickers seeking to corrupt a government, who would you pick to pay off?
Judges? I would.
Just like they say one bad cop can tarnish a whole investigation … it only takes one guy “in the know” to spill the beans.
Assuming, as I don’t, that it’s ONLY one.
GabbyG, thanks. There’s something about dealing with people who throw human heads on dance floors (pointed out a few posts higher up) that tends to imbue one with caution.
And while I don’t claim that it’s proof, certainly PvdS’s actions in the initial days of the probe (hiding from Beth Twitty behind the shrubbery of his house? sweating like a pig in a sauna on TV? going bersek when asked if his house could be searched?) suggest he’s afraid of something.
My guess: that something isn’t BT or the Aruba cops.
And once again … would Aruba take all this trouble to cover up for one bozo? Or are they afraid that revealing what did happen would end their “paradise” for good and all?
BTW, Rammstein … you’ve probably heard about one of the icons of American crime, Al Capone. Gangster, right?
Well, they never uncovered any evidence of it, at least not enough to use in court. He was tried and convicted of income tax evasion.
Of course, the parallel is far from exact, or even close…
Just a thought here … did anyone ask PvdS if he knew or had seen the two Kalpoes BEFORE Joran was accused?
Did he know who Joran hung around with?
All of a sudden, AS SOON AS his son is accused, he starts pumping the kid’s friends (or associates), having them at their house to hold private talks, PAYING FOR THEIR LAWYERS … but as you say, this is not proof.
He’s doubtless a genial, kind-hearted gentleman doing this out of sheer benevolence.
This is Joran’s statement on the 24th, a day after Paulus gave the one above.
- he would only go with us, the reporting officers if is father was released;
- that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements;
- that he would receive a message from his father’s lawyer when he should make statements;
- that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;
- that he listens to his families advise;
- that the lawyers “Antonio CARLO” and “OOMEN” are good friends of his father
- that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them
- that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble
- that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond
- that his father even can’t remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before
- that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds
- that he wished the police would leave his friends and family alone/stop bothering his family and friends
- that he would only answer new questions asked by investigators
- that his lawyer had advised him only to make statements in his presence
- that his lawyer had started a lawsuit so that he would only make a statement with the lawyer present
- that he wouldn’t come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day
- that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement with her
- that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so
- that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.
Joran sounds like an Aruban lawyer in training, doesn’t he?
That to me sounds like incomprehensible BS. Must have made a big impression on the locals.
#111 Richard, I can’t get any pp to copy. Your pp above about the Miss USA and pageant industry not wanting to involve themselves with Brunei is probably right on. These people are very anxious to keep their pageants conflict-free and untarnished. Makes me wonder who in the US government is not wanting to get into the Natalee conflict because of the bigger problems it will cause. We shall see. Eventually, this thing (Natalee’s case) will get so big, thanks to SM, that the government will have to get involved or reveal how they have been secretly involved. There is so much that we don’t know about the silent workings of government.
molly (in Houston)
#115 Richard. I am fairly convinced that Paulus’ actions at the beginning are indicative of his guilt. No one sweats like he did without physical exersion. A grown man, hiding in the bushes, makes him look like an idiot teenager hiding from the police who just busted a drinking party. I am also convinced that there is some serious evidence on the VDS property. For months I have been saying that someone should hop the fence and do a search. Parts of the family go to Holland. So search when most of them are gone.
molly (in Houston)
I actually thought Jorans statement the next day, sounds like he made it after reading his father’s statement he made the day before. Paulus and Joran have over 1000 fbi and police files it said in JQK’s papers.
#122 …Boy it can go several ways …where is Natalee?
When the murder took place, would Paulus want to keep Natalee’s body on his property thinking he has control there?…Feel safe (false sense)… or would that be the last place he would want her body to be hidden at?
Would it be putting her in the cage 5 miles out to sea be their quick solution?…. OR to bury her in a grave?
I don’t think she was put in the garbage dump…too worried someone may find the body…
I don’t think she is on his property…I think that would make him very nerveous…I think she was dumped into the ocean…God bless her and justice for Natalee and parents is my prayer.
#100 Indy Dan…Yes, I remember it being said that the FBI could eventually come in to take over, I just wish I knew all the details/options etc….am anxious to get those guys back behind bars for good. Thanks Dan
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Ramstien…Thanks..will wait to see how the Dutch handle this case or if they do nothing…I will then look forward to our FBI taking the case over.
There is evidence of crime or wrongdoing hidden on the Sloot property that keeps the Sloots running to Holland like so many others did soon after Natalee was led away.
Natalee her body will be found on a cementary. It is an old maffia-trick on the Dutch carabean islands to bodies in stone cementary cribs. This maffia-trick stopped after 1920 when the anatomy of skeletons became generally known. Since Joran s’ family belongs to the 100′s year old asjkenasy-dinasty on the island, he, Joran, is very well known with this trick. A body disapears in 5 minutes without being spotted by co-incidental spectators.