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The battle for the future of the Joint Court of Justice for the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba rages on. The power struggle, autonomy and who will play what roll is at question. One thing is for certain as outsiders look on; Aruba still do not get it. These days to reference justice and Aruba in the same sentence makes ones eyes role. Justice is supposed to be blind, not purposely bias and playing favorites.
The Natalee Holloway-case is still in the back of the Aruban government’s mind when it comes to taking a position on the future judicial system. According to a source inside the committee, the government has not yet forgotten the criticism that it received on its own judiciary at that time. If the Aruban administration of justice becomes a matter of the kingdom, the accusations that the judges are not independent will then relate to the judiciary of the entire Kingdom and no longer just to Aruba, says the source. (Amigoe)
In the back of your mind? If any of these government officials had a clue it would be forefront in your mind and something that you would wish to correct immediately. This is not past tense, the criticism that Aruba and its judicial system received is in the present. If you do not think so take a look at your last reported tourism numbers. This decline is a direct result that tourists want no part of a country where if “something bad happens” they are powerless and at the mercy of local government and judicial cronyism. That is the fact. People understand that crimes do occur, what people do not understand and will not tolerate occurs when justice is not provided to said crimes. Until Aruba figures that out and makes a conscience decision to do something about it and right the wrong their tourism will never be the same.
Amigoe, October 18, 2006: Government position still not univocal
The speakers at the symposium on the future of the Joint Court of Justice: (from left to right) Luciano Milliard, municipal law professor at the University of Aruba; Luis de Lannoy, Presiding judge of the Joint Court; Millie Schwengle, President of the Bar Association; Jan Fokkens, district attorney of the High Court; Hubert Maduro, member of the Round Table Conference Committee.
ARUBA – “That the government chooses for an Aruban Court of Justice is not absolutely said yet, but how the administration of justice is going to be, is for the Aruban government to decide, and not the Netherlands or the Joint Court”, said Huber Maduro, member of the Round Table conference Committee (RTC) at the symposium on the future of the Joint Court of Justice for the Neth.Antilles and Aruba.
In his argument, Maduro reacted on the speeches of Luis de Lannoy, presiding judge of the Joint Court, and Jan Fokkens, district attorney of the High Court that pleaded for the preservation of the current Court after the Antilles cease to exist in its current political form next year. De Lannoy said that the five Antillean islands and also the Netherlands have already made up their minds and that Aruba is the only one that still has doubts.
However, the Aruban government has not decided yet, because they are not sure yet how the administration of justice is going to be on the other islands, said Maduro. He says that all that was said up till now at the recent agreement between the Netherlands, Bonaire, Statia, and Saba, is that the Netherlands will play a part in the administration of justice of the three islands, but they didn’t say how. The negotiations on the real interpretation of the administration of justice in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom still have to start, said Maduro.
AUTONOMY
Maduro emphasizes that making sure that Aruba has a good and independent administration of justice is a business of Aruba and that it falls under the responsibility of the minister of Justice. “The impression was given in the discussions on the future of the Court that the minister has nothing to say, worse still, that he has to get out of the picture. But it is up to the Aruban government to decide what is going to happen with the judicial organization. After all, it has to do with the autonomy of the country and it has to be dealt with very carefully.”
Maduro is of the opinion that the organization of the legal system is only a matter of elaborating, whether it is a virtual court, two courts, or other variations. “Aruba has chosen for the most practical way in 1986, which was taking part in the Joint Court. The current discussions are different though.” According to him, the Joint Court emphasizes the own internal autonomy, or how the organization of the Court can operate as optimal and independent as possible. The Justice-minister argues for an own Court, the autonomy of Aruba, explains Maduro.
The government agrees that we must avoid the splitting up of the administration of justice in the Caribbean part of the Kingdom, but there is no consensus yet within the Aruban government whether Aruba continues to take part in the Joint Court or wants something else. In view of the coming negotiations with the islands and the Netherlands, the government is currently busy to determine her position. The members of the preparatory-committee RTC are thinking of making the administration of justice a kingdom-matter. They are already talking about a ‘Kingdom Court’. Such court is yet a step further than what De Lannoy wants with the Joint Court and the laying down of its authorities in a state law.
The Natalee Holloway-case is still in the back of the Aruban government’s mind when it comes to taking a position on the future judicial system. According to a source inside the committee, the government has not yet forgotten the criticism that it received on its own judiciary at that time. If the Aruban administration of justice becomes a matter of the kingdom, the accusations that the judges are not independent will then relate to the judiciary of the entire Kingdom and no longer just to Aruba, says the source.
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Huh?? What is this double-talk saying? Are they pretending that the judges were “independent” in the Natalee Holloway case when they would not even issue a search warrant for the residence of one of the prime suspects in her disappearance.
How good of them to “still” have the Natalee Holloway case “in the BACK of their mind”!
We really need to increase the boycott effort to see if we can’t move this to the FRONT of their mind before it slips their alleged mind altogether!
How dare they imply this is just something they vaguely remember and only recall as a side incident in discussing the set up for what passes as a court down there! I think someone needs to jog their memory just a bit.
I’m sorry to say that this double talk is typical of bureaucratic bodies. Bureaucracy takes decades to bring about change. Acting decisively is out of the picture entirely. It’s form over substance, always.
Trapped like rats in a corner, looking for away out?
The dutch investigators are on their way back to the Netherlands.
it didn’t take the investigators long to uninvestigate this did it?
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sm: we have not heard any such word as to whether they have left or even arrived. I have seen things rumored at sites that I would question their agenda.
in other words, aruba officials haven’t figured out how to keep the graft, corruption, and shielding each other from prosecution if they relinquish any more control back to holland.
dennisintn
the average aruban, or even worse, a tourist has absolutely no chance at receiving justice on the happy island.
dennisintn
Its in Diario today, the dutch are on their way back. Not a rumour.
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sm: oK, Thanks ,,, did not look at Diario today
Paulus van der Sloot was a prospective judge in Aruba (and is still functioning, at least in name, as a lawyer).
Knowing that, how can anyone think the Aruba judiciary are at anything but the bottom of the trashheap, along with the drug dealers whose interests they presumably serve … at immense profit to themselves, methinks?
Hope we’ll post the Diario article here. It might be spot on, then again not. But in any case, I wonder if the talk about new arrests coming up is related to this.
So if they are on their way back as it says, does it say what the hell they did or are going to do???? I am sure that not only I but everyone eles would like to know!
First things first. If this investigation is to ever go anywhere, there needs to be a complete search of the Sloot “estate”. This search needs to first be done with ground penetrating sonar or radar (what ever). Every square inch needs to be covered, and extended to 300 feet outside the Sloot compound. Every room in every building needs to be surveyed.
If something looks suspicious, like say there is metal blocking the view of the sonar, then it needs to be dug up with a back hoe. If the well on the property has really been filled with cement, then a hole beside the well needs to be drilled all the way to to a point even with the bottom of the well and everything checked out and any evidence removed.
The pool needs to be drained, and a survey done in this area. The floors need to be searched inside the home for any hidden “surprises” or hidden rooms.
Walls need to be searched for anything that might be inside them. The entire house needs to be vacuumed carefully for any evidence, hair, fiber. Air filters need to be removed, and checked.
All phone records, computer records etc. need to be turned over, and checked.
If all the above fails, if I had the authority, I would level the sloot estate, and scoop the place out clean down to 10 feet.
If the Sloot mansion can not be searched, then forget ever finding enough evidence to convict daddy or son. It should have all been done within the first 48 hours or less.
How Paulus prevented this from happening is beyond me. No one in the U.S. short of the Kennedys could have pull that one off.
Where are you 1906? Are you doing okay? I hope you haven’t
had any set backs.
waterboy – let me guess, if they dug up the entire property down to 4 ft and found nothing, you would be saying they should have dug 6ft. You are watching too much tv.
i agree with waterboy, and i think they also need to look at the phone records for sander’s cellphone which supposedly was stolen or lost the day natalee disappeared. i think digging up the vds grounds to a depth of 4 feet would be a total waste of time. nobody in that clan would be energetic enough to dig that deep a hole.
dennisintn
October 21st ~ Natalee’s Birthday
This will be the second birthday that Natalee has not spent with her family and friends. If you would like to leave a message for Natalee’s family go to BlogsforNatalee.com. There is a special place set up in the forum to do so
Yes, the second birthday without Natalee in Beth’s home.
Meanwhile, crybaby Joran boo-hoos about how his life has changed.
Joran, at least you are alive!
Horrible even to imagine the thoughts and memories that will go through the minds of Beth and Jug, and Robin and Dave, this weekend. Would anyone be surprised, if the report that the Dutch investigators are heading back home (assuming they were there in the first place) is accurate, that Aruba would announce on Saturday that the case has been declared cold and the probe is over? And that they are declaring all the three suspects no longer suspects?
Somehow it wouldn’t surprise me a bit.
“the government is currently busy to determine her position.”
I know the position … its head is up its …
Well, you get the picture.
Yes #14 & 15, I thought about NH’s birthday also, she would have been 20 if she had not gone to ARUBA.
Now all America has is a Nightmare from Aruba the Nightmare Island.
To all of those that fight for
Justice For Natalee everyday
just because it is the the
right thing to do!
http://tinyurl.com/ycpobn
Thanks for all u do.
-J4N-
Yo Yo you run that mouth a lot. Are you a New Yorker.
The raping murdering piggish Van der Sloots
and Kalpoes are the last people Natalee was
ever seen alive again with.
Then Aruba said STOP SEARCHING BECAUSE
SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO HER AND WE
BELIEVE SHE NO LONGER CAN BE FOUND.
They claimed their suspect said it…
but they take all their words back,
and change them.
JUST LIKE THOSE GANGRAPING MURDERING
PIGS JORAN AND PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT
and DEEPAK and SATISH KALPOE.
Why so many lies? Even the lying
scumbag Nelson Oduber doesn’t
have an answer!!!
ARUBA = VAN DER SLOOTS KALPOES
and GANGRAPING MURDEROUS FUN
Book your last trip today.
Justice 4 Natalee
>with
or
>again
http://tinyurl.com/w56wl
J4N
Looks like the Dutch investigators are just like the Aruban investigators. Doesn’t matter only an American asking for trouble. No big loss. I am just getting a little sick and tired of their damn attitude. If a fly visits Aruba that is more than they deserve. Most Arubans attitude is awful.
i agree with waterboy, and i think they also need to look at the phone records for sander’s cellphone which supposedly was stolen or lost the day natalee disappeared. i think digging up the vds grounds to a depth of 4 feet would be a total waste of time. nobody in that clan would be energetic enough to dig that deep a hole.
dennisintn
Comment by dennisintn | October 19, 2006, 3:19 pm
Dennisintn,
You’re right. Joran is far too lazy. Joran is like the kid that beat up his mom because she woke him up one morning. This single mom called the James Dobson radio show crying and upset, not knowing what to do, or where to turn. Dr. Dobson was trying to console the lady when a Marine drill sergeant called in and offered his services to wake the lad each morning. They talked back and forth and finally agreed that the Marine was legitimate and the lady gave him her address off the air. The drill sergeant did go by for several months and wake the boy. Guess you would call it an attitude adjustment.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Joran needs and attitude adjustment. I’m not that naive. I know that the only way to improve his mental outlook would be a brain transplant with a squirrel or monkey or something. Poor monkey or squirrel—it would definitely get the short end of the deal.
i wouldn’t swap jvds’ brain with that of a rabid dog. the dog would deserve better.
dennisintn
waterboy – let me guess, if they dug up the entire property down to 4 ft and found nothing, you would be saying they should have dug 6ft. You are watching too much tv.
Comment by yoyo muffintop | October 19, 2006, 2:43 pm
To yoyomuffintop,
Read carefully. I said down to 10 feet. The more I think about it, the better it sounds. It would be sooooo much fun.
Also,take the entire sloot family and stick them in a refugee camp in the Congo, no, let’s stick them in a refugee camp in the Sudan. Take away their shoes, give them a shovel, a hoe, and a package of carrot seeds, and other vegetables. They could grow their own food, and share it with other refugees.
Papa Sloot could sue the other refugees if he wanted to keep all the food, or if any of the other refugees stepped on or destroyed their little veggie garden. Mama could start a school and educate all the refugees in a manner that Joran and his troll brothers were educated. Papa could file law suit after law suit, and take the very clothes right off the backs of the other refugees. Joran, could show all the females his private parts, and they ( the females) would have the privilege of throwing rocks at him if they so choose (papa could sue them if they did). Joran could make his own whiskey from the veggie garden that mama, and papa have grown, and offer it to any takers.
I’ll put it this way. “The sloots would be in hog heaven.” Mama doing what she likes to do, papa doing what he likes to do, Joran–playing with his private parts, and the troll brothers just standing around looking stupid (something they do very well).
What is that you say, yoyo? What if they are innocent? Completely innocent? Guilty of no crimes? O gee, the thought never crossed my mind. Okay, let’s give them the benefit of the doubt. If they are innocent, they would deserve some compensation for their unjustified punishment. Let’s give them as compensation all the gold they can swim with from Venezuela to Aruba That’s fair. That’s justice. I can see those big 14 double wides of Joran churning the water now. (Aruba, here I come!)
Arubacong ie Vietcong—get it?
Joran is a egotistical goof ball. Lets say we do Joran and his close pimps like they did natalee. Except we will film it and show it world wide on pay per view and call it the u.s.a. payback. This is what happens when you disrespect us while on vacation. We will charge 19.95. Oh and lets do the Father like they did natalee of course. This person is so stupid and for him to think we the world dont see right thru his b.s. Dompig even says he feels the father knows more. Duh hello of course. But Dompig is just a pawn. Paulus Van der sweat you are so desperate no confidence or logic behind your shielding from your friends. Coward and low life. May one day you get a clue. Until then no respect. You deserve what your son and his friends did to natalee. No vaseline for your payback. Van der sloots get ready to take it deep.
…and as my neighbor says
in a thick southern accent.
AND FUTHA – MOHRRRRRR…
I would just like it to be written
and knownst…
that I hope that DUTCH ‘do nothing’
wheeze-bag of a Queen of the Nederlands
chokes on an effin hairball on her
voyage to Fantasy Island
de Murdering Raping
Van der Sloots
and Kalpoes in
November!
Smoochies
Thank you, and
just know
I’d like to
spring a ‘mighty humdinger’ on that
old crone’s daffodil garden.
——————-
Enjoy Your Broadcast Day! Luv Ya
——————-
http://tinyurl.com/ydt6xf
http://tinyurl.com/yd9sfu
http://tinyurl.com/y7r8ps
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE!
(heademupmoveemoutrawhide)
http://tinyurl.com/ymmc7w
-J4N-
Comment by gulf to bay | October 20, 2006, 7:57 am
Joran is an egotistical goof ball.
To gulf to bay,
True, true, but I have a better form of punishment. Have you seen the movie the Weatherman? (I think that is what it was called). Well anyway, lets make Joran a weatherman anchor for the television station there in Aruba, but let’s put a little twist on it. Instead of Joran caring a bow and arrow, let’s let the viewers carry them, and let’s sell hunting license for Joran the 2 ks, Freddie, papa, and any one else involved. Hunting license for Joran would cost 50 cents—no closed season, and no bag limit.
The two K’s license would sell for 5 dollars each, and hunting would only be permitted between sunrise and sunset. License for Freddie would be $7.50, with hunting hours from sunrise until 12 noon. The hunting license for papa would be issued on an exempt status. All lawyers on the island would also fall in the exempt category. This means no license needed, no bag limits, no restrictions on hunting hours, also jacklights may be used. However, they would have to be treated in a humane manner. This means no butt shots. This Humane restriction does not apply to any of other above categories.
Any one bagging a Joran, must store him in a plastic bag. The others must be disposed of at sea, except for papa sloot. He must be clothed in a black robe and kept in permanent cold storage at the local hospital morgue.