RSSPreservation of the Joint Court of Justice & Lady Justice in Aruba
Some stories just write themselves. The future of Lady Justice being discussed in Aruba. That
is to presume that it has a present. One would also presume they could begin with “Justice for Natalee”.
ARUBA – A majority of the representatives of politics and the Bar that were present at the symposium ‘The development of the current magistrature within the Caribbean part of the Royal Dutch Kingdom’ appeared to be advocates of the preservation of the Joint Court of Justice.
Then there is Justice Minister Rudy Croes’ opinion.
Also the future of the Court is under dispute with the disintegration of the Neth.Antilles. On behalf of the government, Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) had indicated earlier being an advocate of an own Court in Aruba. However, De Lannoy’s point of view for the preservation of the Joint Court received most approbation.
Then of course Prime Minister Nelson Oduber weighs in on the matter.
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP), who was also present, is of the opinion that a split up of the judicial system must be avoided. “In a conversation with the High Court some time ago it already appeared that the High Court as organization can no longer do cassations when the judicial system is split up.” (Amigoe)
Full story, Amigoe; October 16, 2006: Preference for preservation of Joint Court
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the powers that be on aruba don’t want any interference with aruba’s ability to enforce or not enforce laws as they see fit. although with the judges of curacao’s actions in the natalee holloway case, maybe all the dutch islands are being unduly controlled by some force unknown to the dutch or us. any way you look at it, aruban justice is an oxymoron, and not likely to be changed without a bitter fight from the people now benefiting from it’s present form.
dennisintn
Rudy and Nelson, look up the word “justice” in the dictionary.
Go to the public library and look under the plastic sheets.
Your second word to look up is “corruption” and another one is “obstruction.”
Stop the clueless act that you don’t know what happened to Natalee Holloway.
We know that you know.
JUSTICE BEGINS WITH NATALEE
justice, Everybody knows what happened to Natalee. The only problem is IMO the ALE has DESTROYED all evidence which would now make it impossible to solve !! As Chris said they have crossed all the T’s and dotted all the I’s.
Rudy and Nelson might be afeared of what could possibly come up and bite their behinds, if there is a higher court not controlled by Aruba? What a shame it would be if there is a court without Aruban bias. Just think Aruba may have to be behooven to a Higher Court, now how could that have worked in favour of Natalee?
As Arlene said, we don’t understand Aruba’s system, seems to me neither does The Royal Dutch, if it is working properly, why would TRD want a joint court?
Maybe somebody from Aruba could give us the details.
miss, There are NO details. I thought EVERYBODY knew that !!!!!!!!!!!!
-R4N-
Miss-U, I dont think anyone on Lieruba can, they do not exist. They make rules up as they go. Its sad but true. Did anyone notice the blind fold on one of the woman? Thats cause JUSTICE IS BLIND there. Sickening…..
I am fairly sick of Aruba. Boycott.
There was not one person who did their job, ALE /prosecutor.
Not one person that I can think of in a postion of power stepped up to the plate for the girl, er what was her name ? Oh, it was Natalee Holloway.
Justice isn’t blind there, it doesn’t exist.
Just never go there. If you like yourself and want to come back.
vicki, Yep, We agree. They make the rules up as they go. Sounds as if we are all coming to the SAME conclusion !!
Aruban authorities put on whole new spin on the blindfold.
It SUPPOSED to mean fair and equal administration of the law, without corruption or prejudice.
What a joke–but not funny!
I left out the word “is” but I think you get the gist.
justice, YEP, You get no justice in Aruba because justice IS BLIND. Aruba = NO JUSTICE !!!!!
What in God’s name is going on in that photograph? Excuse me, but is that one lady carrying a wooden sword, as though it were a junior high school play or something?
And are there overtones of the Statue of Liberty in the lady with the spiked head … or is that some kind of comment on punk hairdos? (They came a while after I was of the right age, so pardon my ignorance.)
Much better: one of those quasi-mannequins should have been posed with her sword by her feet, her hair awry, bound, gagged and blindfolder. And her purse open to thieves, crooks, drug dealers, white slavers and every other kind of criminal that Aruba hosts.
THAT would be an apt portrayal of justice in Aruba.
richard, LOL !!!!!!!!! Would you send your daughter down there on spring break ?????????
justice would be murder charges to be filed on the suspects even though there is no body.
it is happening to hans reiser as we speak !
davey, It ain’t gonna happen in Aruba !!! Aruba has done all they are going to do. Once Holland goes back home it will be ALL OVER !!!
Justice may be blind, but not half as blind as they want us to be in Natalee’s case. Natalee never went to the beach or asked to be left on a cold dark beach at 3am alone. 3 sober guys go out and the only one who don’t come back is an 110 lb. girl who has been drinking. I truly believe Natalee died within the first 3 hours after leaving CnC. I also heard the prosecutor say, the day after Natalee was missing Paulus told the 3 if they have no body, they have no case. Does he have ESP? Funny a month later Joran says if they find the body, they will see that shit, and Deepak tells Joran he will get 15 years if they find her.
KatGram you are right, not one person has stood up for Natalee it’s all about how can we get more tourists and more money.
Bring back the Gong Show!!
maggie, Yep, She was DEAD within the first 3 hours and the ALE knew it. That is when the cover-up started. The cover-up is now COMPLETE !!
I doubt that anything on Aruba will change regardless of what anyone says or does. If the damage to the tourism industry hasn’t caused any of them to look inward why would it ever happen ?
They need an big ” attitude adjustment “.
They really shouldn’t worry too much, in about ten / fifteen / twenty years or so, it will be all good for them again.
Was it Richard whose neighbours went to Aruba ?
Did anyone say anything about Joran and what the opinion of him was ?
Kat, Yep, Aruba will NOT change no matter what anyone says or does. I know some people who went there and they said most people in Aruba like Joran. Kat, What part of Canada are you from ????
Aruba is a mockery for justice. Who’s mind is going to be fooled by that sad looking symbolism for justice? Lets hear about some punishment for crimes that everybody knows about. Aruba you are a farce. Does justice mean to you Rudy Croes can take bribes? Does it mean Paulus is able to obstruct justice? Does it mean Posner is able to withold important information relevant to the case? I will answer that one it does when you are involved. Does it mean Steve Croes can lie at will about a murder case? Aruba you know we know that this is more than Joran’s coverup. All of you that participated in the coverup are guilty of murder, but this does not bother you. Hell is waiting for some of the creeps on that island plus the ones that fled. Watch your back you can’t trust each other.
allan, Hell awaits them. This is the ONLY justice we will get !!
I am on the prairies. Big Sky country.
In the middle of the country.
OK, I’m in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
That is so strange that they would ” like ” him.
But, then, we don’t understand their system.
We usually here, in Big Sky country do not ” like”
people who act like Joran and cause a girl, er, Natalee is her name , to be taken from her loving family. And then tell 22 versions of a pack of lies and torment her family
Call us old fashioned.
Kat
I have always heard it said that people are people basically wherever you go and have found it to be true most of the time. It sounds to me like your old fashioned values in Manitoba are much the same as ours in Florida. God Bless Natalee and her family and I hope the corrupt ones in Aruba pay dearly.
Aruba is paying dearly now, and it will continue. They are branded as Sodom and Gamora, come and play at your own risk. Can’t get any help if you need the Police. Corruption breads more corruption, it’s like cutting the hole out of a blanket. You wind up with a bigger hole. In all their efforts to cover up the evidence, someone is talking down there. Hope they don’t get silenced. The guilty should be sweating, I think we may get some kind of break. Let’s hope so and soon….Justice for Natalee
I pray that is so viet vet. For aruba’s sake they better pray for answers & justice, they are the ones with something to lose here not us. The best part is aruba thought they could just wait the family out in terms of resources & time to search & be forced to go home never knowing what happened to their little girl, but they thought Wrong. For it is the Americans who shall wait them out & actively seek Aruba’s demise. You Aruba have been and will continue to be the loser in the waiting.
GRETADUMBASSMAL; KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF!
I have been wondering what the cold case force would need to find in order to be able to start a prosecution. It is not easy, items with DNA from victim and suspect would not help very much (belts, shoes, garments etc)as close contact between the two was admitted. Any suggestion?
davey, LOL !!!!!!!!!!!
MOONS : Even IF Aruba sinks into the ocean will that be justice for Natalee ?????
I know that there have to be good people on Aruba.
But they are the silent ones. And they are not in a position to assist in this case.
I was looking at Dave’s book last nite and there seemed to be resistance on the part of Aruba , the ALE, the prosecutors, the politicians to investigate Natalee’s disappearnce right from day one. This is what has me the most puzzled and the angriest. And it hasn’t changed.
No matter how they try to deflect the attention away from Aruba and the prime suspects, it isn’t working. What did Mr.Art Wood say ? That it was a professional cover up ? But WHY ? What is so SPECIAL about those Sloots that they can get away with this ?
28# all the dutch would have to do is read thier confessions or statements.. also listen to URINE open his big mouth on Greta where he says this has happened 20xs before and nothing went wrong…or on campus when he said ..one day i will tell it but right now i dont want to…anyone with half a brain would convict him on those statements alone. This whole thing is a sham.
Superdave- way to go!
Hey does anyone know what happened to the tapes from Skeeters? What about all the hubub about them being tampered? I thought Dr Phil was gonna be sued, whats up wit dat?
No time limit on Holloway case
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=5229.0
miss, IMO it was NOT Dr. Phil who altered the tapes. IMO it was Jamie Skeeters. It was all about the MONEY $$$$$>
justice, Doesn’t MATTER. They will NOT solve this case.
# 28, Elisabeth:
I suggest the Cold Case Crew consider information gathering by doing possibility techniques such as the following:
1. Evaluating the probability that Deepak Kalpoe is being blackmailed into keeping his mouth shut about what truly happened, because of something his younger brother may have done in the past.
2. Trying to figure out what was Ruud Oomen’s true role in the defense process of the three main suspects. Was he really defending Deepak or was he keeping Deepak on a short leash, to protect Joran?
3. Analyzing Antonio Carlo’s strategy: why was the best lawyer assigned to defend Deepak and not Joran?
4. Investigating if the Kalpoes, given their immigration status, were somehow threatened to loose their chances of living in Aruba if they did not proceed according to the interest of those that could allow them to stay or deport them.
5. Checking out Theresa Croes Gonzales-Pedra’s mysterious lack of concern for the case and the investigative processes. As Attorney General, she should have had a more active role. The way she stayed away from the public scrutiny is a sign that she purposely sought to stay behind the curtains. Why?
6. Questioning Jossy M. Mansur. He is so powerful, that if there are a few people in the island that know what happened to Natalee, he has to be one of them. He should be questioned; all the opinions he has given and all the editorials he has written (?), provide a motive for asking Mr. Mansur a few things.
7. Figuring out who is the true power behind AHATA. Who made the decision to ignore the obvious signs of crime and cross the fingers, hoping the scandal would go away? That is the person that was afraid to loose something and in the name of “saving the island” would order the disposal of the body.
8. Questioning Police spokesperson, Edwin Comemencia. At the beginning, he was also trying to obtain his nickel’s worth of fame, by giving statements about the van der Sloot’s plans relative to the case, and also, he was always around in the searches, giving pro Joran opinions. Why was this so, if he, as a police representative should not have been, in any way or form, emitting personal, subjective views on the case.
There are many more suggestions that one could give the Cold Case team. I provide a few, and I am pretty sure there could be many, many more. Anyone else?
gloria, LOL !!!!!!!HAHA, They are going to do none of that !!!!!!!!!!
#32 Miss U, Deepak and Satish were invited to listen to that tape with their lawyers in January, neither showed up. Arlene spent days on tv talking about how the one of Dr. Phil’s was manipulated. She spent days lying about a lot of things until her cousin was arrested as a suspect.
Dr. Phil said his staff edited the tape to show what the parts he wanted on his show, due to not having enough time to show the whole thing during the hour show. They said Jamie’s tape was not edited. He was giving the hard drive to the FBI or something earlier this year. Mr. Skeeters is president of the California polygraph association, so I find it hard to believe he was out breaking the law and he still has that job. I’ve seen the tape interpreted both ways. We did and we didn’t by professionals on MSNBC. It has never made sense why he would say we didn’t, you would be surprised how simple it was. I will wait and see.. but I would love them to sue Dr. Phil. They would have to go under oath and be questioned about all their stuff. Just what JQK has been wanting for almost a year.
On the tape he also says that Greta offered him a large amount of money to talk, which I don’t believe and he also was calling Natalee a slut. What would be his reasons for doing that, other than to demean the victim even further and for what purpose would he do that other than to justify in their minds the crimes committed against her on May 30th.
For people who want to go to court and prove how innocent they really are, they sure hide out a lot. FBI not allowed in due to Paulus going to court, no search of their property, don’t listen to the tapes, fighting the NY courts to keep from testifying there, refusing to talk to the police or prosecutor, hiding from Beth when she went to Holland etc..
maggie, Just because someone is the president of the polygraph association doesn’t mean he would NOT break the law. There are many important people in the USA that break the law. I just find it strange that Depak NEVER admitted having sex with Natalee except to Mr. Skeeters. Yea right. Plus Mr. Skeeters hit his camera and only got the side of Depak’s head. Why didn’t Mr. Skeeters tape him from the front like ALL interviews are taped ????
The VanDerSloots are guilty, even Dompig knows it. They know what they did to Natalee Holloway, they all see her in their sleep everynight. Looking over their shoulders wondering when it’s all gonna catch up with them. I can’t imagine living with that kind of guilt day in day out. How awkward are their family get togethers? Do they talk about sports, politics, how they ruined the Aruban economy? Or do they talk about watching their backs, not talking to the media, book deals, how to milk more out of the poor Arubans…….Gotta wonder.
The Dutch controls Aruba. The Dutch that live on Aruba are opportunists looking for an easy ticket on the backs of what they see as mules. These are Dutch that are slackers in the homeland, lazy, sleezy, looking for a lottery ticket to comfortville. The poor Arubans are helpless so they play along, putting up and shutting up cause they don’t know any better.
yeah they dont know better. they are not educated so they dont know how to question anything
and with the men i have not seen even 1 good looking one so if they ever get sex its with help of ghb
Screw the family of piggish
gangraping murdering
Van der Sloots
& Kalpoes…
I believe them to be the
murderers and rapists
of Natalee Ann Holloway.
I hope the guilty are ambushed
and taken out with equal force.
An eye for eye!
May the gangraping life taking
piggish Van der Sloots and
Kalpoes meet the DEAD END
street sign I think
they all deserve.
May they all die
like ARUBA’S pathetic
economy!
You know Greta, there are other ways to solve the case. Aruba sinks into the ocean and you say that will not be justice for Natalee. It would be a beginning. Maybe we need covert group activity Greta. If I were J2K and papa VDS, the sweat would be flowing. Their safety is in admission of guilt. After all, Joran would only get 6 to 10 years in a soft prison, otherwise who knows. It could be hard to drink a cold beer with no hands. I know of no such plans, but after all, someone is thinking this. Maybe it is someone in the USA or maybe an Aruban group who is fed up with the problems caused by J2K. So, as Kojak would say, “who loves you?”
gretamule: still trying to protect the suspects i see !
Maggie,
Exactly if this was skeetrized at they say, Aruba would have put banners on all the jets flying out of the US to Aruba. I threw this out to see what trolls would stop by and chomp on it.
As we see….Not a iota of information came out to defend the allegations that this was “skeeterized”, look if the LE could determine a donkeys bone, old belt and dog blood in a few days, they certainly could have proven the skeeterization of the tape by now.
Maggie
I think the slut and slave stuff, they were trying to justify what they did to Natalee.
They can run but they can’t hide, because you can always smell a perfumed pig.
#37 GretaMAL,
Elisabeth asked, I replied. Actually, “none of that” is not as funny as you say. Here we just speculate, discuss possibilities and state personal opinions; but when it comes to the Cold Case team from the Netherlands, I am inclined to believe that experts from a nation with remarkably organized and developed economic, social and service structures will yield more positive results than expected by your negative vital posture.
I remain hopeful that the Dutch team will unveil information that will help them change the present status of this case.
Off subject …My co-worker is from Chuuk, Micronesia, and his last name is Kelmal.
gloria, DREAM ON !!!!!!!!!!
I think Joran will eventually step in his own shit one of these days…just a matter of time…He is a liar and will backhimself into a corner one of these days…
It be a shame if Joran Van der Rape and Papa Van der Rape
got tagged on the way to the supermarket.
YOUR IT!
Down with the Van der Sloots and the slimy Kalpoes
who I believed targeted, raped, and killed Natalee
Ann Holloway.
I do not believe in vigalante justice. In this
case however, I would not lose a wink of sleep.
JUSTICE 4 NATALEE.
or
YOU ARE IT, even. oops
on the happy island, there are suicides where the victim nails himself to boards, overdoses on drugs, and sets himself on fire just before he cuts off appendages. i guess he forgot he was supposed to bury himself also. hopefully j2k won’t get so despondent that do something like that – until they tell where natalee is anyway.
dennisintn
Hey Carpe!
There’s some people that i wouldn’t mind getting V. justice, people who abuse or kill children & those who prey on trusting people like Joran & Kalpoe’s did to Natalee. But that wasn’t enough for J2K and the rest of Lieruba….nooo they had to play the most cruel game with this family than i’ve ever seen. NO WAY in hell are we letting this go. BELIEVE IT ARUBA
KatGram (#30), No, my neighbors haven’t gone to Aruba, at least not that I know of.
You ask why Aruba seems to be so determined to keep this quiet, or rather, to avoid an investigation … do you remember that early in the case, they were sending out requests to nearby nations to be on the lookout for Natalee?
I know everyone has heard this again and again … but if this whole thing were only to protect the van der Sloots (and if the vdS clan is so powerful, how is it that PvdS didn’t get the judgeship he wanted?), then probably it WOULD be over by now. If they had evidence on him, they could push it through and he and Joran and crew would be in the hokey.
Which is one reason I still think it’s plausible that they believe that Natalee was taken off the island and handed over to someone. And that some of the “Pimps” were complicit; the three suspects began the process, but weren’t the last ones.
What do you think would be more harmful to tourism … finding that one girl met her death at the hands of a few punks, or finding that she was sold or traded into sexual slavery and that the powers that be in Aruba let it happen?
richard, i think holland decides who gets hired as judges, not aruba. in fact, when paulus sued, one of his superiors testified that they had made the decision not to rehire him in the position he had then when his contract ran out. this decision supposedly had been made even before natalee went to aruba. maybe it’s what he knows about everything crooked going on, or maybe the people protecting him and jvds are also protecting their own sons who seem to all run in the same circles.
dennisintn