Isn’t This Interesting,Gottenbos MySpace account claims that Aruban friend of Joran Van der Sloot living in GA is wide open to the internet public and so too appears to be the following that was located on the popular networking site. According to the information on the the MySpace site of allegedly Sander Gottenbos, he lives in in USA in Hoschton, GA.

Sander Gottenbos provided witness statements in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway; however, his older brother Koen seems to have not found the courage to do so.

Hat Tip: Klaas


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MySpace site

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    136 Responses to “Isn’t This Interesting,Gottenbos MySpace account claims that Aruban friend of Joran Van der Sloot living in GA”

    1. arubalies on October 18th, 2006 1:01 pm

      So has the entire family relocated to Hoschton??? Inquiring minds want to know !!!!!!

    2. GretaMAL on October 18th, 2006 1:09 pm

      Why isn’t he scared to live in the south ?????????

    3. Miss-Underestimated on October 18th, 2006 1:26 pm

      Hmmm How far from Mountainbrook? What is in GA?
      Why is he in GA?

    4. bandit on October 18th, 2006 1:39 pm

      Wow, I know exactly where that is. It is just out of Atlanta. It is on the north side, actually a suburb of Atlanta.
      At to what is in Georgia, it is just about like any other state except for Atlanta which is a very big city.
      It is a short ride to Mtn Brook. Maybe a couple of hours.

    5. dkpen on October 18th, 2006 2:14 pm

      I wonder if they even know that Goorgia state Governor called for Boycott Aruba.
      Maybe someone from Georgia who is in support of the Boycott Aruba will recognize them and send them packing back to Aruba. Or maybe someone will get information from there while they are in the States. One can only wish!

    6. GretaMAL on October 18th, 2006 2:21 pm

      dikpen, I agree. Send him back.

    7. JusticeforNatalee on October 18th, 2006 2:34 pm

      Sander needs to tell all that he knows.

      I don’ t think anyone believes that he lost his cell phone.
      How “convenient.”

    8. Miss-Underestimated on October 18th, 2006 2:47 pm

      Notice how the self proclaimed PIMPS are always flashing money?

    9. JusticeforNatalee on October 18th, 2006 2:57 pm

      E-mail response received from CrimeStoppers. They ARE interested. So much for the naysayers.

      As you might know, we already had first contacts with Beth. Are you one of the close friends of Natalee? Or may-be one of the kids visiting Aruba with Natalee last year? Please let us know. We are planning a show on her disappearing, so any information is welcome.

      Best regards

      Kees van der Spek
      team: Peter R. de Vries

    10. lily on October 18th, 2006 3:07 pm

      I looked at the location for Hoschton. It is very close to Chateau Elan which is a very, very nice community. Because it is so large, parts of it are in one county and parts of it are in another. I believe I heard that some of the addresses of those homes are listed as Buford addresses. Hope this helps with the location thing.

    11. Jehnifer on October 18th, 2006 3:25 pm

      Alex’s email addressbelow…not sure if it’s current: He was selling his bus.

      M.a.n. sr 280 For Sale
      M.a.n. sr 280
      good running condtion toilet 49 seater airco

      Year: 1982
      Price: USD 22.500

      Contact: Alex Gottenbos
      Telephone: (297)- 933616
      Fax: (297)-837772

    12. GretaMAL on October 18th, 2006 3:26 pm

      miss, All young kids do that now !!!!!!!

    13. SUPER DAVE on October 18th, 2006 4:13 pm

      i’m surprised that one of the georgia deer hunters doesn’t have this little fat {{edit}} doe hanging in the back yard


      SM: Um, let’s not try and make those references, R

    14. Sharon Chicago on October 18th, 2006 4:20 pm

      I THINK THERE IS A BIGGER PICTURE GOING ON HERE….facts…we want them…. Why is he now living in Georgia of all places? Why did he come to the states…?
      Is he cooperating with the FBI? Does he have info he gave the FBI that we are not aware of?

      Would be interested in finding out why is he in Georgia anyone know?

    15. Arubaanse on October 18th, 2006 4:28 pm

      But the problem is, we are still not sure if he really lives there. I mean, I have a myspace too and according to mine, I live in Oranjestad, Aruba. So, we have to find out if it’s really true that he lives in the USA or still in Aruba or in Holland.

    16. Sharon Chicago on October 18th, 2006 5:10 pm

      Where was the pic of him in the truck taken? Looking at background looks more like GA than Palm Trees in Aruba????


      SM:   We’ve researched that in the forum.   The photo was taken in Georgia (klaasend)

    17. linda on October 18th, 2006 5:19 pm

      Yep..He lives In Georgia..Like I said a month ago or so..And why not?? His dad sold everything here..his mom wanted to move to the states for two years now..cause she fell in love with that city/place where ever they live now..
      Why bother this guy and go into his personal life..he had nothing to do with Nathalee’s disappearence..nor his brother..they were not even in Carlos that night..

    18. JusticeforNatalee on October 18th, 2006 5:28 pm

      The Gottenbos boat could have been used.

      Why was Koen so afraid of being arrested that he slept with his mother?

      And why did he duck behind a sofa to try to hide from Dave Holloway?

      Sounds like Sander or Koen might at least know what happened.

    19. Observer on October 18th, 2006 5:31 pm

      They left aruba and probably for good reason. Mr.Gottenboes used his connections as koen was never even questioned once and the younger sanders happened to lose his cell phone the very same day that natalee went missing. They did a amazing job of keeping themselves out of the newspapers and most likely know exactly what happened to natalee or were directly involved. This Koen is one protected kid just like the other “pimps”I am absolutely disgusted if this kid was never even questioned.

      Rumor has it that Joran used there boat within a few days after natalees dissapearance. Many have begged the aruban LE to look into this and they never did. I think it was art wood who said this family was nervous as hell,koen was sleeping with his parents and they needed to be questioned. These people are very good friends of the sloots and I find it amazing that both the Gottenboes and Freddy are reported to both be living in the states.


      SM:   Not sure about Freddy being in the states.   He’s been seen recently partying it up in Aruba (klaasend)

    20. linda on October 18th, 2006 5:40 pm

      Nope Justice do not believe that..And that hiding was not from Dave but from the stupid Media..everybody was sick and tired of the media around that time..

    21. Jehnifer on October 18th, 2006 5:52 pm

      Linda – then how can you “explain” the coincindental timing of Sander “losing his cell phone?” Chance of that happening the very night that something huge came down in Aruba is huge… Why did they “sell everything” and make a quick exit from Aruba? Sorry, but it just smells way to fishy for me.

    22. linda on October 18th, 2006 5:57 pm

      Yeah observer..rumor has it..thats the whole problem with you guys..all your comments are based on rumors and are willing to destroys somebody’s (personal)life,bash people on the internet,etc..and you are not even sure if those people are guilty of anything…

    23. dave on October 18th, 2006 6:33 pm

      Linda you {{edit – let’s not go there please}}? Rumor has it!!!


      SM:Â   Edited by me, klaasend

    24. JusticeforNatalee on October 18th, 2006 6:39 pm

      I hope that Joran’s friends realize that their good “buddy” Joran selfishly dragged them into his wrongdoings and that the best way for them to move on is to talk, talk, talk.

    25. JusticeforNatalee on October 18th, 2006 6:41 pm

      Do Sander and Koen think that Natalee has been forgotten already?


    26. Maggie on October 18th, 2006 6:41 pm

      Wasn’t it said Joran didn’t go out on boats, he didn’t like them and got sick? You would think if Sanders has known him since he was little and a great friend of his, he would know that. Instead he asks him if he wants to go out on his father’s boat. Joran’s response according to him wasn’t that he don’t like boats, but that he had other plans.

      On your question about how the conversation went, I will tell you the following;
      The conversation went that I asked him if he wanted to go out on my fathers boat.

      He said that he could not go because he was going to play poker at the Holiday Inn. There is tournament each Sunday in aforementioned hotel and Joran participates almost each week in that tournament.

      Sanders statement..

      They are ordinary friends. Joran and I are better friends than Joran and Deepak and Satish.

      I known Joran since I was little, since my family and I came to live on the island.

      He is a better friend with Joran then Joran, Deepak and Satish are.. then why would Joran feed his better friend this story? all lies..

      (Sanders statements)
      Joran told me that he met the girl in the “Excelsior casino” in the “Holiday Inn hotel”. He said that he had met the girl during gambling at the tables in the casino. He said that the girl had lost an amount of US 350 = during gambling.(Lie) Joran had helped her win a part of the aforementioned amount. (LIE)This was an amount of US 175 = Joran said that the girl wanted him to go to “Carlos & Charlies”.(LIE) Joran had called Haime (Jaime). Haime is a friend of ours. Haime lives in the hamlet Alto Vista. Haime could not go because he had to work. Next Joran called Deepak and Satish. Joran told them about the girl at “Excelsior Casino he had picked up”.(LIE) They drove in Deepak’s car to “Carlos & Charlies”. They went to Carlos & Charlies and saw the girl dance on the podium. He further told me that they drank “jello shots”. I cannot remember if Joran told me how they left Carlos & Charlies. Joran explained further that Natalee wanted to see the sharks at the “Light house”. (LIE)Joran said he told Natalee there were no sharks. Joran said that they drove in the direction the “Lighthouse” and that the girl in the neighborhood of Arashi fell asleep. Joran said they turned around at the “Lighthouse” and turned back towards the Holiday Inn. Joran said that They, Deepak and Satish and him turned off near the “Holiday Inn Hotel” and left the little girl. Joran told me they left her behind the lobby.(LIE)

      Also Michael Dompig was the one who said Koen’s boat went out the night of Natalee’s disappearance.

    27. Observer on October 18th, 2006 6:41 pm


      Who do you think your talking to? I can back up everything I write. Can you? Go over to some place where they will feed into your bs. Some people here are intelligent and have followed this case since day 1.

      You mean after 22 different storys and the father and two K2 brothers caught lying. Computers tampered with,Interviews and transcripts changed,evidence and statements that are missing,confessions retracted.. Lie after Lie and then they bash the victim and her family. There has been a confession,one of the suspects is leading us to the body. Your right we should be bashing beth its all her fault!! The huge fight to keep the FBI out of aruba and the huge fight to finding the truth? “I know the facts and you dont”This is a homicide investigation? How can I do this to my best friends son?? These are all facts!!! So linda lets put on record who is spreading rumors and lies? Can you name one person in aruba besides jossy who wasnt caught lying red handed?? Lets focus on belly shots,Beth’s relation to hitler and the holloways making natalee dissapear for insurance? I heard beth say that natalee told her she was in love with a blue eyed dutch boy?? Hmm she is alive on another island.. Who lied and spread those 2 rumors?? Read the letter that the head aruban prosecuter wrote to the american justice dept? Shocking no?? Just another slap in the face of 16 months of proven lies.

      Rumors and lies? You mean like natalee being pregnant?? The family’s trips to austria? Natalee killed herself?? No body no case? How much money do you have? Dressed like a slut and acted like a slut? These were all recorded facts!! We know who the liars are here and who they are protecting!! Your right since we havent heard one honest person in aruba then we should start bashing beth,dave and natalee!!

      Koen,Freddy,Sanders and Lorenzo were all kept out of the news cause all the focus was on the 3 perps. They tried to pin it on the security guards but when it was proven who she was with last that changed. They purposely kept the Gottenboes,frddy,Lorenzo and guido far away from any newspapers or recorded interrogations.Koen wasnt even questioned once!! Freddy spent the night at jorans that night and sanders had his cell phone stolen that same night. These pimps were all protected by the ALE and were never questioned or quickly left the country. Hmm Guido left his brand new car and skipped graduation so he could flee to holland.

      Your right tons of rumors about the gottenboes because just like others they were protected. Well done Mr. Gottenboes!! Bravo!! Too bad they couldnt stick this on the 2 security guards then none of the pimps may have never been questioned. But since the focus was on proven liars why even question anyone else??

      So once again who is lying and spreading rumors?

    28. Maggie on October 18th, 2006 6:46 pm

      It looks to me that Beth and Dave and Natalee’s family has been the one who has had their lives destroyed by lies and rumors. They are without their daughter. All the others involved are still alive and well.

    29. Allan K on October 18th, 2006 7:14 pm

      Get that Gottenbo trash out of the states.

    30. Kat_Gram on October 18th, 2006 7:35 pm

      I don’t likw what I hear about Sander. Drinking with Joran, the girls.And he is very young. Doesn’t seem to have any values. Is just another dumb ass Aruban / Dutch boy whose Papa and Mumma have money.
      He will do something bad in the USA. For sure.
      And Papa will not be able to buyoff anyone.
      In the meantime, I wouldn’t let any of my kids ( especially if they were girls )associate with him. Bad news Gottenbos.
      I think letter to his school would do. No more, no less.
      Let the parents of his new friends take care of the rest.
      A shunning would be nice. Sorry if I sound mean, but he was questioned as a witness in a suspect murder / kidnapping and he is good friends with 3 murder suspects.
      Dutch Dirt. All of them.

    31. yoyo muffintop on October 18th, 2006 7:53 pm

      Observer – you have about 8 rumors in your post that you claim as fact.
      Funny how the arubans that post here were embraced and respected, then when they expressed the fact that a boycott would take food out of there kids mouths and regular arubans was to suffer, it all of a sudden got very mean spirited and the attack was on and still is. Interesting…

    32. Allan K on October 18th, 2006 7:57 pm

      Sounds good Kat_Gram and true.

    33. Observer on October 18th, 2006 8:19 pm

      8 rumors?? LOL these are all proven facts

      Anyone have any answer’s?

      Who is the sick twisted person that wrote a letter to paulus claiming to be from natalee? The letter that said it was from natalee and that she is pregnant and in hiding, it had her dna on letter and apologized to the paulus?

      Why on june 1st why did AM digital report that all 3 had sex with natalee holloway??

      Why would the defense fight to keep the fbi out of aruba if there clients were innocent?

      Why would the lead prosecuter in Aruba ask the american justice dept if beth was related to hitler? Ask if that family traveled to austria?

      Why would Gerald dompig announce that there has been a confession and they were being lead to the body. But the next day say it was a mistake.

      Why would credible high ranking officials publicly announces that blood was found in deepaks car then afterwards say it turned out to choclate and cleaning fluid?

      Why would Gerald Dompig go on record and say that he has a credible witness that saw natalee with drugs? Is it just a coincidence that the witness is his brother in law?

      Why would Julia Renfro swear beth holloway told her she talked to natalee and she was in love with a blond hair dutch boy?

      When everyone was looking for natalee why did paulus immediately hire lawyers instead of helping in the search?

      Why would paulus van der sloot pay for a huge team of lawyers for his son and lawyers for at least 3 of his pimp friends if they were all so innocent?

      Why did guido buy a brand new car miss his graduation and suddenly flee to holland? Why did he hire one of the most expensive lawyers in europe if he is so innocent?

      Why would someone come forward and Lie saying that they personally saw the 3 boys drop natalee off at the HI? Why does his still lie and say he doesnt know deepak when deepak said on tape that he is friends with steve croes?

    34. IndyDan on October 18th, 2006 8:28 pm

      #29 Allan – better yet, trap that trash and make him squeal.

    35. Carpe Noctem on October 18th, 2006 8:37 pm

      Yeah, we’re on to Freddy, and Sander
      has been on the radar for a while

      Linda, I was so wrong about you!


    36. IndyDan on October 18th, 2006 8:43 pm

      #33 Obsever: Don’t give this JVDS bagsucker the credibility of a reply. This is another troll looking desparate for attention. Doesn’t get it in everyday life so it looks here recognition, for purpose.
      YoYo, JohnM, GretaMal, Amsterdamned,these are all sick sexual perverts waiting to pull the trigger. Maybe we should be thankful that allowing them to vent here somehow saves a life.

    37. yoyo muffintop on October 18th, 2006 8:50 pm

      the father caught lying(not true)
      Computers tampered with(rumor)
      Interviews and transcripts changed(rumor)
      evidence and statements that are missing(rumor)
      confessions retracted (not true, never was a confession. this rumor was spread by an over zealous reporter that thought they”overheard” something. I heard a rumor that this was cooberated by the FBI)

      all in the first sentence

    38. GRETA mal on October 18th, 2006 8:59 pm

      Indy, It is NOT me who carries a 357 so you do NOT have to worry about me !!!!

    39. GRETA mal on October 18th, 2006 9:12 pm

      Linda, How you doing tonight ??? Keep up the GOOD work. Have Faith !!!! Luv Ya Greta !!!

    40. viet vet on October 18th, 2006 9:18 pm

      Greta, in the the USA, we have many guns and many bullets. It is the people who do not have them that should worry. Anyone know Sander’s address?

    41. Richard on October 18th, 2006 9:31 pm

      I wonder if this is the person who that media guy (we had the article here a while back) said … Garrison … was the special source who has begun talking. Nothing more from that so far, at least not that I know.

      And if this kid IS talking, how likely is it that he’s saying the truth?

    42. Maggie on October 18th, 2006 9:50 pm

      The father was caught lying.. more than once.

    43. GRETA mal on October 18th, 2006 10:00 pm

      Richard, IMO That is another reason this case can NOT be solved.IMO Nobody knows who is telling the truth and who is lying.IMO There is NO evidence left to prove who is telling the truth.IMO In a court of law this case would be dismissed.

    44. Observer on October 18th, 2006 10:00 pm


      Well easy to clear up. Ask beth twitty she will state those all as facts not rumors. I have never heard her caught in one lie so I beleave her 100% After I hear over and over her saying that she saw,heard and witnessed first hand these things I beleave her 100% and I beleave it as a fact!! I can prove that at least 2 aruban officials said there was a confession and denied it the next day. look it up.. simple to do. Zealous reporter?? No that was dompig himself!! Only thing I cant confirm for sure was the rumored documents of joran breaking down,confessing and admitting burial. Beth and jossy both say that it is on record and on paper and I beleave the fbi witnessed it. But that was early in the investigation and the story changed 20 more times.

      Yes I assume things to be facts from documents, seeing the actual people say it and some one that I beleave 100% Beth Twitty. Yes I beleave her when she said the fbi also told her natalee wasnt alive and there was a confession. I beleave her when she saw the translation of her interview and it was changed dramaticly and key parts left out.

      We know a virus attacked that computer and I saw a fbi agent on tv say that the computer was tampered with. Even though I never claimed that to be a fact.

      Lets talk about the this great father paulus. When the whole island was looking for natalee this father hired hired lawyers. Not just for his son. But deepak,satish and also freddie. He absolutely said he picked up joran at 4am then lied and changed it to 11pm a few days later. Ask beth twitty and karen janssen. Beth wrote it down in her notes after hearing it. Did paulus also say no body no crime? Well according to deepak and karen janssen he did. When he first met the mother of her missing child did he tell his son to help? No he told him to say nothing.

      Only non fact I can think of is that pic of someone that looks like paulus talking to natalee in the casino that same night. No one as of yet can prove that was him. Sure looks like him!!

      These are rumors like the principle of jorans school said that joran told him natalee drowned. The rumor that at least 2 claimed that joran was involved in using the gottenboes boat. All 3 having sex with her before she went missing? Well yes still rumor unless you beleave art woods tape to be fact and the AM digital article that came out just a few days after natalee dissapeared.

      Rumors are stories like a rave party that night or a porn film being made. Not from first hand witnesses like a beth twitty or a dave holloway. Or documents or interviews when we see the actual people stating these things as facts.

    45. SL-Gloria on October 18th, 2006 10:02 pm

      Honestly, this has to stop. Speaking of guns, 357s and having or not having bullets. It’s not up to any of us to decide if the Gottenbos should be living in Georgia; that’s the responsibility of the US Department of State and the Bureau of Immigration of the US Department of Homeland Security.

      Also, do not suggest that people take justice into their hands and refrain from expressing intentions to inflict injury on someone, because you’ll be held accountable for it.

    46. Carpe Noctem on October 18th, 2006 10:02 pm


      Thank you, Maggie!!!

      The Van der Sloots should have a family motto
      about lying. They are filthy scumbag lying
      people. …and what is SCARY is they get away
      with the PATHETIC lies that they produce.


      Here is one of the murdering rapist lying
      pig Joran’s STUPIDEST LIES. (one of many)


      Joran van der Sloot: In hindsight it was stupid. And yes, one would like to take it back that I lied to the police because it isn’t good to lie to the police, but at that moment it felt like…. I’m not a person to leave a girl behind on the beach and I didn’t want anybody to find that out. So yeah that’s the reason why I lied.


      ROFL He is such a pathetic scumbag. He GIVES SCUMBAGS a bad name!




    47. GRETA mal on October 18th, 2006 10:06 pm

      Gloria, Thank GOD we have someone with some common sence. They are harmless because they are all talk and NO WALK if you know what I mean.

    48. yoyo muffintop on October 18th, 2006 10:38 pm

      observer – so by your own admission you do not have facts, you have hearsay? Big difference.

      Your small list of facts are wrong and I think you know it.

      And since when is hiring a lawyer for yourself/family if your son is being accused of murder/rape/kidnap the wrong thing to do? Anyone would be insane not to lawyer up, as they say. That arguement is ridiculous.

    49. Carpe Noctem on October 18th, 2006 11:03 pm

      The raping murdering lying piggish Van der Sloots seem to
      love to split atoms on what CAN and what CAN NOT be proven
      in a court of law.

      Reminds me of those old 30′s GANGSTA FLICKS


      You’re not tryin’ to be a WISE GUY, are you?



      The last people holding the bag in my opinion
      were the gangraping murdering serial lying
      piggish Van der Sloots and Kalpoes of

      …and they do not like it.


      Learn to live with your deeds!

      It ain’t going away.

      Boycott Aruba!

    50. kpg on October 18th, 2006 11:11 pm

      The High School is Mill Creek, located in Gwinnett County GA.

      This area is one of the fastest growing metro Atlanta areas.

      Hamilton Mill subdivision is the biggest feeder to this school. The subdivision is upscale and contrasts with the very small local population.

      Tomorrow afternoon I’ll ask my daughter to print the picture. We know students at this school and will ask them if they have seen Sander.

    51. kpg on October 18th, 2006 11:12 pm

      Please edit Klaasend I meant Sander.

      Thank you.


      SM:Â   Done ;) Â   (klaasend)

    52. Allan K on October 18th, 2006 11:12 pm

      FYI Believe it when you see it.

      Scarborough’s Report: Sources say Arrests In Natalee Holloway Case Coming Soon
      by ooSCARBOROUGHoo on Mon 02 Oct 2006 06:16 AM EDT | Permanent Link | Cosmos
      Scarborough’s Report: Sources say Arrests in the Natalee Holloway Case Coming Soon
      by: ooSCARBOROUGHoo,

      Over the weekend, I was working my Dutch and Aruban LE sources. I was able to find out that Larry Garrison’s mystery witness was able to provide them with relevant information that lead them to 3 new mystery suspects in the Natalee Holloway case. These suspects lived in Aruba at the time of Natalee’s disappearance and left immediately after the media and police got serious about searching for Natalee. My sources were able to tell me that Dutch LE have been on these mystery suspect’s toes for weeks, and that they just have to take care of a few housekeeping matters before making formal arrests.

      Larry Garrison recently reported on Court TV’s “Catherine Crier Live” on 9/8/06 that there would be some big news in “a couple of weeks.” What my sources have told me confirms Garrison’s report. Unfortunately, my sources could not give me specific details about the nature of these suspects involvement, but one source told me “This will be strong arrests that are essentail to our next move in this investigation.”

      From what I have been able to gather from my sources, they need to thoroughly interview and question these 3 mystery suspects. One source also told me that they need to get DNA from all of them, which is something I find very interesting.

      Sources told me that LE just needs to take care of a few housekeeping matters before making arrests and one source told me “I wouldn’t be suprised if we made the arrests later this week.”
      Posted to: Main Page


    53. Allan K on October 18th, 2006 11:18 pm
    54. GRETA mal on October 18th, 2006 11:22 pm

      Will we be satisfied if Joran is NOT arrested ????????????

    55. Observer on October 18th, 2006 11:28 pm

      Muffin I realize technicly I am a terrible writer. You can beleave what you like I could care less. It is obvious you have a great deal of catching up to do in this case. I suggest by reading everything that happened between may 30th 2005 and Joran’s last interview. Look at the hundreds of tv interviews,documents,interviews and actual statements. Then we can argue.

      Once again try and read before posting here and making a fool out of yourself. Paulus hired lawyers immediately within 2 days after beths arrival. He then hired lawyers for the 3 others. Well before he was accused of anything. If these people were innocent they wouldnt have lied and directed blame on innocent people and had a bogus story before she was actually reported missing?

      The right thing to do is not to get lawyers,tell them to be quiet and tell them no body no case. The right thing to do was to tell the truth return natalee to her family and face what happened like a man not a lying coward. They are taking down a whole island because they refuse to tell the truth. Certainly not the right thing to do.

    56. GRETA mal on October 18th, 2006 11:30 pm

      Alan k, IMO these arrests will take us the SAME place the DUMP took us, or the POND, or THE fish trap, ot the HI, or joran’s place etc……..

    57. dennisintn on October 18th, 2006 11:34 pm

      “this will be strong arrests that are essential to our next move” sounds like co-conspirators with the jwk, not the final steps to me.

    58. Waterboy on October 18th, 2006 11:46 pm

      So Monkeys,

      If the Gottenbos are in this country, they are obviously illegal aliens, and they need to be deported. I vote for Cuba, along with the other tourist. I’m going to call the INS and have them arrested.

      Worse than Cuba, the federal government has a holding prison in Big Spring, Texas. The Gottenbos would just love it there. They would make sooooo many friends. The place has got the black gangs, the hispanic gangs, the white gangs, the chinese ganges, the don’t fit any of the above gangs, and now—-they could have the Gottenbos gang. They could meet “Spider”, “Pewee”, and “Shorty”, “Boggie”, “Scab”, and “Too Tall.”

      Wow, the Gottenbos gang could get matching tattoos while waiting to deported and dropped off by plane over some vast uncharted areas of North Central Africa. They could be the next Tarzan. No, I’ll take that back, the monkeys (no pun intended) would not like them. They would throw unspeakable things at them, and yell–go home, Gottenbos, you are ruining the neighborhood!

    59. Roxy on October 18th, 2006 11:46 pm

      linda don’t say a damn word about the lies jorass said.never has. the whole island is nothing but chumps and liars

    60. Maggie on October 18th, 2006 11:53 pm

      Paulus appearance on Nova where he states Joran was again not home without him knowing it, yet both of his statements say Joran told him he was going to the Wyndham that night. If Paulus went straight to bed who was on his name on the pc looking up alcohol, drugs, and attorneys that night?

      Paulus June 18th.

      At approximately 16.30, I got home and the kids were already home. Because my wife was in the Netherlands I wanted to be home when the kids came home from school. Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym. He probably had his carrying bag with tennis necessities with him. I saw him enter the building. HE HAD TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD BE AFTERWARDS GOING TO THE WYNDHAM HOTEL because a “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” would be held. I immediately went home, had dinner with the other boys and after that I went to bed. I do not remember having had contact with Joran after that. We did make an agreement that he would call me after the tournament was over, or that he would have someone drop him off at the house after the tournament.

      Here he took him his bag at 8pm after his lessons when he was walking to the Wyndham after telling his dad he was going to be in a tournament at the Wyndham. Howerver in Joran’s statement he said he already had played tennis and left his bag behind the counter and went walking to the Wyndham.

      JUNE 25th.

      We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the “Raquet Club”, that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up.

    61. Maggie on October 18th, 2006 11:56 pm

      Mr Garrison said on Dana’s show tonight,, that everyone knows this is a cover up and they know who did this. He has said more than once that the person talking was pointing at the same 3 suspects.

    62. wreck on October 19th, 2006 12:01 am

      I have been VERY quiet for the last few months — but I haven’t gone away or any less certain of my beliefs. “Observer” has it wrapped up nicely! I simply refuse to be suckered in by the latest “rumors” of “new suspects/arrests” or by any promise of the Dutch actually being diectly involved now. If Aruba was to “come clean” tomorrow — it is too late. The damage cannot be reversed.

    63. Roxy on October 19th, 2006 12:03 am

      i knew that linda was just a bullshit artist day 1. just go back and look who did not want to believe there was decent people on that rock of horrors. linda pretend to be friend but the goal all along was to use our empathy to try and influence our opinions. the people on criminal island was working all the angles. some to bash and some to befriend just like julia skank did

    64. Carpe Noctem on October 19th, 2006 12:13 am

      I got a nice email today! Just wanted to share the gist
      of it.

      A member of Team Peter de Vries emailed me back.

      His name is Kees.

      He said they are in fact planning to
      do a show on what happened to Natalee
      Holloway. They seem to be opening
      lines of communication!

      Justice 4 Natalee.

    65. jhawks on October 19th, 2006 1:48 am

      Excellent news … I hope Beth and/or Dave are there for the Peter de Vries Show!

      Observer – just ignore linda and the other idiots! They don’t know what facts are.

      Prayers and Justice for Natalee, Beth, Dave and Family!

    66. mayan_moons on October 19th, 2006 2:07 am

      Thats great Carpe! I’m mailing them too.
      Sorry i didn’t have the pics linked up here that i was talking about the other day. I need to learn how to do that. The bag still i was talking about….the one that takes my breath away is the one where you clearly see Natalee’s face & hair in the bag. It was one of the very last bag pics you worked on.

    67. indianaredneck on October 19th, 2006 2:11 am

      Last Dutch Rat out of Aruba please turn off the lights.

    68. SUPER DAVE on October 19th, 2006 8:39 am

      maybe the money the little rat is showing is payment for talking, or fingering the suspects !boys who have to sleep with mama would scare easily and were said to pee their footie pajamas often.

    69. Richard on October 19th, 2006 9:02 am

      Allan K provides the source that says new arrests are forthcoming and are imminent.

      One wonders whether, if the Dutch people truly are in place on Aruba now, THEY will be handling the interrogation (if any) of these people (if indeed they are to be arrested). If the ALE do it, look for the same revolving door.

      Interesting how many people seem to have left the island just after Natalee vanished. Could these people be more of the Pimps?

      We’ll see what comes of this, if anything.

    70. candygirl on October 19th, 2006 9:43 am

      The location is 2.5 to 3 hours from Mnt.Brook.They have a nice winery.Excellant white water rafting on the Chattoga(ie-Delevernce)It is a very beatiful area.I could not locate them in Dekalb or Fulton County.YoYo,I beleive that you are a lawyer in NYC. While I was high on Morphine yesterday,I had an ephemy.The pimps operated as a series of gangs,like our old 5 finger groups.(Viet Vet knows)This means there was a series of 3-5 person groups of pimps out hunting at the same time.GVC-1 group,Koen-2 group/etc.It requires a visitor from europe,two locals a car drugs and a blatent cllous attitude towards morality.I will not touch Koen,but I will not protect him from anyone.Candygirl

    71. Miss-Underestimated on October 19th, 2006 9:48 am

      With this arrest taking so long, are they hoping the person who is supposed to be arrested flees, my gosh, come on….

      I’m gonna count to three, ya better hide. Here I come ready or not… Yikes, Arrest em already …

    72. Miss-Underestimated on October 19th, 2006 10:06 am

      67. The electric company will have shut the power off by then, the money that was supposed to pay the electric went to Paulus.

    73. Minnesota Dad on October 19th, 2006 10:30 am

      Arrests imminent…..bwaa ha ha….

      My understanding is that you cannot arrest Paulus because he has utilized the court system and his black robed buddies to insulate him from arrest.

      He is your perp.

      Any rumors of serious arrests are imminent are bunk. We will just relive the Guido, JVC arrests all over again.

      Meanwhile, time will keep on ticking…..tick, tick, tick. Paulus will continue to go untouched and judgements will not be VOIDED by Dutch Law Enforcement.

      Mark my words — the Dutch Investigators will continue the stall process and this case will go to May 31, 2007 where it will be nicely placed into the unsolved case files and the accomplice suspects (J2K) of Paulus will be declared no longer suspects in the case. You can bank on this happening.

      The only other alternative is for Dutch Investigators to bring down the judicial system, and half of the Aruban government….all who co-conspired to cover-up this case in the name of protecting tourism (backfired is an understatement). Who thinks this is going to happen??? md

    74. Mortella on October 19th, 2006 10:31 am

      What is a kid doing sitting in a high school parking lot flashing $1300? Are there no restrictions as to how much money students can have on their person in cash at any given time? There should be! And I will bet that there is a limit. Someone needs to notify the principal at that school what this PIMP is up to. Or was he robbing other students already or what was that all about.

      No, all the kids are NOT doing that! I see their MySpace all the time and just certain punks do it. Schools are tax-funded in this country and I am not so sure this is how we want our tax dollars spent, on the education of people who make our citizens disappear as happened in Aruba last year. While all schools that are public receive federal tax dollars, the locals pay the bulk of the bill and so guess they will decide but first they need to know just who they are paying to educate. Lifelong buds of Joran who was last seen with our citizen Natalee Holloway and refuses to tell what happened to her and has a government that supports him in this.

      If we are repeating “rumors” and “lies” it is only because we were told these rumors and lies by no less than such people as Prime Minister Nelson Oduber who said there was blood found in the Kalpoe car. Oh, oops! He meant to say cleaning fluid, right??? And he gave the marching orders for the cover up with his little speech about how this cannot be allowed to happen, a tourist kidnapped and murdered–wouldn’t be good for business, yaknow?

      Then we have the dozens told to us by various members of ALE and some were even labeled by them as “decoys” we now find. What kind of people would misinform intentionally? Those with plenty to hide and who had no intention of seeing that justice was ever done for Natalee are the only ones I can think of.

      And now it is in the “back of their mind” as they discuss the role of the future of the judiciary in Aruba? We need to bring it to the forefront in a way they will never forget. They make a total mockery of anything even resembling justice! We need to re-double our effort in the boycott as it is the only thing we have going to apply pressure to these so eager to forget Natalee so quickly and get on with their business as usual as though she never existed.

      They have had plenty of time to do just about anything if they really intended to anything at all. They don’t and we are not fooled by this any longer. This game of pretending that there is an investigation and arrests are imminent became old about a year ago. I will believe it when I see it and not one minute before having been lied to by just about every official involved in this tragedy.

    75. linda on October 19th, 2006 10:47 am

      Roxy…How old are you ?? 10??..Because I do not agree with some off you doesnt mean that I’m a bad person..or fake..I’m just me..I have no reason to influence your opinions..Anyway..Just sick,and freedom of speech doesnt exist on Scared Monkeys..either you agree or you just go to hell..
      Anyway..thanks to all the people that just called me an idiot..or troll..only because I think that Koen has nothing to do with this…anyway..I’m not here for you guys..I just Hope that Beth will get answers one day…


      SM: Linda …”so freedom of speech doesnt exist on Scared Monkeys..either you agree or you just go to hell..”

      First of all freedom of speech is meant to exist in a public forum, not a private one.

      Second, Freedom of speech does not mean others do not have the right to rip your opinion, thoughts or views. That is what freedom of speech is.

      Third, preventing freedom of speech would be if we never allowed you to comment. Not people challenging your comments.

      I, personally have always enjoyed the fact that you post on SM. I realize its not easy, however, I appreciate it. The reality is that you more follow what we wish to do in ending this nightmare than it seems the authorities on Aruba wish to.

      Is Koen involved? Maybe. Was he maybe told something after the fact, more of a maybe. There is something seriously wrong when such a close friend of JVDS and who has access to a boat is not questioned. That stinks to the high heavens. Especially when his younger brother spoke to authorities.

      Always remember Linda … your perspective has always been appreciated. Of course people will question and attack your theories if they have an opposing one. That is to be expected.

      As always, I would ask all to always keep it civil.


    76. linda on October 19th, 2006 11:03 am

      Thanks for the explanation/respond Red…appreciate it a lot..

    77. Mike on October 19th, 2006 12:03 pm

      #1 Ease up on the talk about killing this kid guys. Even though I could agree as my daughter is 16, if a American was to kill this kid on speculation, then it makes us no better than an Aruban killer.

      #2 Linda, why would we want to all go to hell?? We could very easily go to Aruba which would be worse than going to hell! I dont agree with killing anyone, but at the same time I want justice for a little girl that could not at the time, nor now, and classless crap like you are always running off at the mouth at how this is all a American ploy to make Aruba look bad and persecute Aruban people. Well guess what hero, your people, not ours did that all on thier own. Didnt need our help to do that!! Nor do we give conflicting reports or 22 different versions of our stories either. Get your facts straight before letting you ((edit)) over ride your mouth!

    78. Miss-Underestimated on October 19th, 2006 12:12 pm

      Could Sanders be the deep throat, seeking protection in US and somebody else is posting his info on myspace?

    79. Mike on October 19th, 2006 12:26 pm

      #78 Possible on both counts, but since My Space came under so much fire recently because of that among other things,it might be a little hard for a normal person to hack the site. Lets just hope this is the person that they have been talking about that is talking to the FBI.

    80. linda on October 19th, 2006 12:34 pm

      Mike I didn’t say that You have to go to hell..if you read my post better you’ll can call me crap whatever..I know in my heart that I want justice for Natalee..Really do not care what you think about me..
      I know Aruba is wrong and Joran really do not have to tell me that

    81. ben on October 19th, 2006 12:35 pm

      observer,,,,Where can i read the letter from the aruban prosecuter,to the us justice dept

    82. yoyo muffintop on October 19th, 2006 1:03 pm

      Mike – don’t you think it’s a little disingenuous to say Joran gave 22 diferent versions?
      If you told your daughter you were going to the store to buy some milk, when in fact you went to a bar to watch the game, would that be 2 different versions or 4 different versions?

    83. Mike on October 19th, 2006 1:41 pm

      October 21st is Natalee’s Birthday. Everyone should go to Blog’s for Natalee and wish her a happy birthday!!!!

    84. Mike2 on October 19th, 2006 2:16 pm

      hey yoyohead,

      you must be a lawyer or aruban. how the hell can you possible compare going to the grocery store or bar to being the last person seen with a missing and probably dead girl. you never quit suprising me with with your freaking stupidity

    85. Roxy on October 19th, 2006 2:29 pm

      linda you have never talk about all the lies J2K told or how Dompig said they were guilty as hell. You never talk about Oduber saying blood was in the car. You say Koen had nothing to do with Natalee HOW do you know that. Its hard to take you for being anything other than a phoney when you have never address these issues. You blame the media for Koen hiding, you arubans blame everything & everyone but never hold your own local teens to any standard of decency whatsoever.

    86. yoyo muffintop on October 19th, 2006 3:13 pm

      Mike – I am sorry you do not understand the difference between an analogy and logic(this would be logic), but you never answered – is that 4 different versions or 2?

    87. Miss-Underestimated on October 19th, 2006 3:27 pm

      Why would the FBI tell Beth early on that Natalee is prolly murdered?
      What was said during the interogations that would lead the FBI to tell Beth that?

      Add to that, the FBI got so frusterated during the interogations by the ALE’s failure to INTEROGATE, that supposedly the FBI walked out. WTF is that all about.

      You can perfume this all you want ….any logical person can figure this one out. QUIT PERFUMING THE PIG(S) AND GIVE NATALEE BACK TO HER FAMILY.

    88. JusticeforNatalee on October 19th, 2006 3:46 pm

      “We need to bring it to the forefront in a way they will never forget.”

      Mortella, Exactement!

    89. Mike on October 19th, 2006 4:06 pm

      #86 First off, I didnt write #84! Second, be very careful how you draw my daughter into this conversation, I can promise you that you will not like the outcome if you persist! Now, in answer to your original question,,,,I wouldnt have to worry about telling my daughter one thing that I really meant something eles. One, because its a lie, and two, because I dont lie to my daughter for any reason! If I did, that woud make me Aruban, and thats not going to happen moron!

      Red……check out who ever posted #84 and used my name. And then do what you need to so this dosent happen again.
      Thanks, Mike


      SM:   There is nothing to stop 2 people from using the same nickname.   I’ve changed that particular post to say Mike2.   I would suggest you make your own nickname more distinctive than just “Mike”, there’s nothing we can do to stop someone else from using Mike (that I know of) (klaasend)

    90. airgame12 on October 19th, 2006 4:42 pm

      Had to change my name as someone decided to hijack it, si it will be airgame12 from now on.

    91. Sharon Chicago on October 19th, 2006 4:43 pm

      #52 Allen K…. Very interesting…standing by…I do believe this case will solved…and soon..

    92. Mike on October 19th, 2006 4:59 pm


      IMO, there is absolutely no analogy between jurine’s different stories and the idea of going to a bar rather than the grocery store. that is insane. the logic is since jurine tells a different story every time he opens his mouth that all except one is a lie. except in his case they are all lies. you need to brush up on your english before you spout off about something.

    93. Mike on October 19th, 2006 5:01 pm

      sorry airgame,

      i did not hijack your name. i have been here since the beginning.

    94. linda on October 19th, 2006 5:01 pm

      Roxy..I know about all the lies..And what Dompig said and Oduber..but Why repeat it a million times..I know this case sucks..but do I have to say that everytime I post..if I don’t I’m a phoney??
      I just think that Koen has nothing to do with this..but obviously I can’t say that cause them I’m an idiot..a troll..etc..Why I think he has nothing to do with this..Cause I met him a few times..and he looks really Dumb..I think whoever harmed Natalee is not dumb and is probably a professional raper, killer..I don’t believe Koen is..

    95. Mike on October 19th, 2006 5:03 pm


      i do not post a lot. just when i get fed up with reading all the crap from the idiot trolls.

    96. candygirl on October 19th, 2006 5:27 pm

      hey yoyo,logic is based on facts.Your statements are based on biased opinion,like a defense lawyer,trying to present reasonable doubt.I am have heard from some of the parties in aruba that the jelly shot story,is a fabrication to denigrate and pose reasonable doubt .Does anyone besides yoyo’s clients know for sure.candygirl

    97. Observer on October 19th, 2006 5:36 pm

      observer,,,,Where can i read the letter from the aruban prosecuter,to the us justice dept

      Comment by ben | October 19, 2006, 12:35 pm

      Hi Ben.. I will look for you as I havent seen it in a long time. I am sure it is here on the SM site somewhere. It is very interesting to see some very odd questions that she asked.

      Maybee klaas knows where to find it?? :)


      SM:   Yes, I have it somewhere…let me find it (klaasend) So far all I can find is the link to the letter in Dutch, starting at page 115:  Ã‚

    98. yoyo muffintop on October 19th, 2006 5:39 pm

      airgame12 – I am sensitive to that and it was not my intent. I apologize, despite the fact that you called me a moron.

      mike – go finish your GED before you post again please.

    99. Mike on October 19th, 2006 5:41 pm


      you are right. the pimps and pvds can be the poster childs for a lot of things (none of them any good), but being dumb is probably not one of them, except if you just use looks. and don’t get me started on anita.

    100. yoyo muffintop on October 19th, 2006 6:18 pm

      candygirl – how would doing a bodyshot equate to reasonable doubt, and how is doing a bodyshot denigrating to someone? That’s called being an 18yr old and having a good time.

    101. Mike on October 19th, 2006 6:41 pm


      when you get to your sixth grade english exam, let me know and i will start work towards my GED.

    102. Observer on October 19th, 2006 6:44 pm

      Klass..Nice try but it may be a tough one to find. Ben it is out there somewhere maybee at

      I remember greta had a copy and showed it one night on her show. The Inquiries from Karen Janssen to the U.S Justice Dept asked if beth was related to hitler. If the twittys had traveled to austria and other general questions like a connection to insurance policy on natalee.

      Obviously the hitler thing came from Joran,trying to give the impression that natlee was a racist nazi and commented about deepak and satish being jorans slaves and also that beth was related to

      Joran is free to say whatever he likes and make shit up as he goes along. I know in interviews he said natalee was a lesbian,that she wanted to have sex but he had no condom,see the sharks,see his house. We know he and natalee probably didnt talk much with her going in and out of consciousness and a sleep.

      I beleave strongly that natalee was drugged at C&C and that is why she was looking lost like she was looking for someone after the mass exodus out of that place and then came out 10 minutes later by herself. Another witness as confirmed by Dan Riehl says that deepak was holding natalees arm as they walked out that night. Either way that poor girl didnt have much time to think normal as everything points to her being unconscious and sexually assaulted. Joran has to make up what he and natalee had talked about because natalee probably wasnt able to talk.

    103. IndyDan on October 19th, 2006 6:46 pm

      Mike and Candy – how on earth did you guys buy into this troll being a lawyer, cause it said it was? If it’s that easy then hey everyone, guess what, I’m a Physics PHD! Good grief, look closer at the grammer and spelling of it’s posts.
      Mike – that being said, the lies Junior told aren’t extrapolations of one story he’s stuck to, they are 22 different versions of what happened the night he kidnapped, drugged, raped and murdered Natalee Holloway.

    104. Observer on October 19th, 2006 7:01 pm

      BTW: Yes that is speculation on my part about how natalee left C&C. Not even natalees parents know for sure if she left with joran or deepak. Only from her classmates who gave different stories.

      You can be damn sure that natalees parents are confident that there daughter was sexually assaulted while being unconscious. Then she was never heard from again. All we know from there is joran’s 22 different storys.

      Why would someone keep changing there story after being caught lying?Maybee because paulus really did pick him up at 4am??
      1.Joran(June 30th 2005) says that his father picked him up at 4am(A few days later paulus says no 11 pm)
      2.Joran says deepak drove him home(deepak says he is lying)
      3.Joran walked home that night.(With no shoes?)
      4.Satish(2006 story) drove joran home( Satish also says he is lying)

    105. yoyo muffintop on October 19th, 2006 8:04 pm

      IndyKarr, never once said I was a lawyer or insinuated. {{edit}}? PHD my behind – that is a complete joke. 22 different versions – you are not the brightest are you? List ALL 22 please. Bet ya cant!
      PHD – hahahahaha


      Edited by klaasend

    106. Maggie on October 19th, 2006 8:21 pm

      10-12-2005 MSNBC

      ARUBAN Police commissioner GERALD DOMPIG said there is many inconsistencies between the documented statements of Prime Suspect JORAN VAN DER SLOOT and what he claimed from one statement to a differing statement happened while with NATALEE. ARUBAN Police commissioner GERALD DOMPIG said there is many inconsistencies between the documented statements of Current Suspect DEEPAK KALPOE and what he claimed from one statement to a differing statement happened while with NATALEE. ARUBAN Police commissioner GERALD DOMPIG said there is many inconsistencies between the documented statements of Current Suspect SATISH KALPOE and what he claimed from one statement to a differing statement happened while with NATALEE. “Well, it would take me I think a little over two days to go over all the inconsistencies. It’s—none of the stories match up, let me put it that way. So when it comes to believing this individual, we know in which category to place him.” “Well, at this time, I think that all three persons know something that they are not telling, at least not telling us.” “But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys

    107. Observer on October 19th, 2006 8:23 pm

      I just listed four diffrent versions of how he said he got
      Every time he got caught lying he just changed it to another lie. He would tell a new story to get farther away the truth and to make sure he didnt involve anyone else beides the k2 brothers.

    108. Observer on October 19th, 2006 8:25 pm

      So klass.. Anyone with us from georgia tonight? :)

    109. chris on October 19th, 2006 8:28 pm

      Hi IndyDan, isn’t it amazing how somethings just go over the trolls’ heads. He really believed that you were serious about the PHD thing. I have stopped posting because of all the trolls that have come aboard lately and sometimes I get the distinct feeling that Amsterdam, johnm, kelmal, gretamal and yoyo are all one person. Well, we know at least 3 are the same. One need only compare their dumb posts to see that they have something in common.
      Total ignorance.
      It still is disturbing to me that intelligent people may read here and must surely wonder what kind of idiots we embrace here.
      Well, back to lurking…….chris

    110. yoyo muffintop on October 19th, 2006 8:31 pm

      So someone can call me a sexual pervert (#36), have it posted, yet I cannot respond? What I responded with was a fair assesment based off previous posts by the poster.
      Editing is this instance, and the previous instance last night, was and is not very fair at all.

    111. Maggie on October 19th, 2006 8:56 pm

      Women are killed daily all over the world for sexual reasons by non professional killers. In order to believe that Joran didn’t do it, and that someone else got her, I would have to believe the many stories of the beach.

      According to them Joran called Jamie up and asked him to out, he had a girl. problem is according to Jamie that was around 4pm. Joran claims he didn’t decide to go out or that the girls said come out until about 9pm or so. He asked Deepak and Satish to go he was going to hook up with the girls. No way do I believe he forgot a condom. Men can forget a lot of things, but his whole talk was to go score that night. True men go to bars at closing time to pick up girls, but most aren’t missing the next day. When they are you can beat that man is going to be the main suspect.

      Joran says Deepak has a loud car. Didn’t wake his father up when he went to pick up Joran? Deepak is driving all over town after leaving CnC’s and noone has come forward to say they saw the car anywhere or on videotape after leaving CnC. Lots of people around where he was dropped off, Noone seen or heard the car? Lots of people on the beach, Joran says his purpose was to score, yet he says we can walk towards the hotel, lots of people there too? If a man has intentions of having sex with a girl, the last thing he is going to say is let’s walk up there where all the people are. He takes his shoes off because he got sand in them/because he didn’t want to get sand in them and leaves them at the beach walks way down the beach to the Fisherman’s Huts. Lots of people he said and he passed a couple there. Not one has come forward to see him or Natalee of all them people. Fisherman on the beach, said they saw noone matching their description that night. He tells Natalee he has no condom so he decides to go home. Which I don’t believe. This is a person who’s been having sex since he was 13 or something. Can’t say the same for Natalee. He calls Deepak until its proven Deepak that Deepak is shown to be logged into his computer, Deepak picked him up. Now it’s Satish, because Satish has no alibi or proof of where he is. However, they both say Joran told them he walked home, the girl fell asleep, he couldn’t wake her, they went in the water together, Deepak says he think Joran raped her. Joran is a sick and disturbed person. Satish comes according to Primetime “We got in the car and left” although he tells Greta that Satish never did get out of the car, so who’s “WE”? He said he heard the car coming from a distance, because it’s loud. Noone else has seen or heard that car out driving around that night, out driving him to the beach, or back to pick him up? He also says he don’t want to go back down by Natalee to get his shoes. He left his shoes at the water by the Marriot..not at the Fisherman’s Huts. Nor do I believe no girl unless she was drugged or incapacitated would tell a guy to leave her at 3 am on a dark creepy beach alone. That’s why I don’t believe that some creep was on the beach and got Natalee that night. I don’t believe his far fetched outrageous story, with no logic at all. His own lawyer tried to say there is records of him on the internet at 3:10 after Joran said he didn’t get home until about 3:25 or 3:30 . The only people I’ve ever known in my life to tell such lies had much to hide. I think there are many more things about Joran’s past that some know including JQK..that someday we will learn. I remember SM saying we only hear about maybe 5% of what is known on this.

    112. Carpe Noctem on October 19th, 2006 8:56 pm

      To the sweaty murdering gangraping Van der sloots
      and Kalpoes TRUTH is something that is very FLEXIBLE!

      Everything they say holds roughly the weight of a feather.

      They are documented serial liars.

      Justice 4 Natalee

    113. Maggie on October 19th, 2006 8:59 pm

      you can bet^

    114. IndyDan on October 19th, 2006 9:07 pm

      Well put Chris. Thanks for seeing the diffence.

    115. Carpe Noctem on October 19th, 2006 9:07 pm

      Whomever said writing BOYCOTT ARUBA

      on your paper money & circulating it

      was a fricken JEAN-YUS man.

      Just don’t get caught doing it. Technically

      it is defacing Federal Document… and Yo Yo would

      like to see you do hard time over it…

      whilst his gangraping murdering piggish

      sweat pouring clients

      walk free.

      Jo Jo

      He is nutty like that.


    116. ben on October 19th, 2006 9:41 pm

      I agree,boycott aruba on your money is Jean-YUS,,,lol.You know if only they had not got rid of the body,if beth could have buried her daughter,may be we would not be talking now.They took her life and body and left beth with nothing.Parents need to be able to say good bye.JUSTICE 4 NATALEE.

    117. grande on October 19th, 2006 11:06 pm

      Sander tell Franciscus we said hi there in Dacula, Georgia. Coincidence you were neighbors in Malmokweg, Noord Aruba also? I certainly hope that $1300 hundred you were flashing in the parking lot of the Mills Creek High School there in BUFORD isn’t NARCO dollars. Some of the residents I spoke with are certainly surprised to hear of your association with Joran Van Der Sloot.


      Hey who knows maybe we will bump into one another in the mall of Georgia.

    118. candygirl on October 19th, 2006 11:21 pm

      yoyo,you know damn well well what I mean.I won’t argue with you,because I think you are scum.I also beleive that you are Male bovine byproducts and a shyster.Joran seemed to think it was relevant and so did his mother.soon the truth shall be seen and I will await Justice for Natalee.candygirl and for you,on halloween,I have a special almond torte.

    119. kpg on October 19th, 2006 11:53 pm


      The residents are very surprised.

      It’s Mill Creek HS.

      Sander’s picture has been forwarded to students at Mill Creek.

      HAMILTON MILL is also surprised by this information.

      They will react.

    120. dkpen on October 20th, 2006 1:22 am

      Do we have proof that Koen and Sanders Gottenbos are in Georgia or just going by what the MySpace says?

      Anyone can put anything they wish for their name, birthday, place they live ect. I don’t put truth much in those sites.

      If anyone can show me proof that Koen no longer is in Holland or Sanders in school in Aruba I’d appreciate it.


      SM:   Hi DKPen – we are not just going by the myspace site.   Have you been reading in the forum?   (klaasend)

    121. Judy W. on October 20th, 2006 1:58 am

      Central Georgia girl here and proud of it. And really pissed that these bastards from Aruba have decided to move to my great state. Hunting season is almost upon us here in Georgia. Let’s hope the Gottenbos hightail it back to the Netherlands {{edit}}….


      SM: Let’s hope they hightail it to the authorities and tell all … about time they do.

    122. Carpe Noctem on October 20th, 2006 9:09 am


      J4N snitches
      No rest for
      the wicked.

    123. airgame12 on October 20th, 2006 10:04 am

      I shot the little bastard a email on my space yesterday, and flat out asked him where Natalee is as we all know that he knows. Guess what his response was???? Not a damn thing! Little chicken shit!

    124. viet vet on October 20th, 2006 10:13 am

      Some of our pro-J2K commentors seem a little paranoid. Sander is safe in Georgia. We only want to know what he knows, unless the FBI already has it, which is possible. He may be the one talking. Having 357′s and bullets has nothing to do with threats. I have not read about any threat to these people in Georgia or Aruba. Now if we could get the truth, I think the whole mess for Aruba will calm down. To me the biggest criminals are the ALE and other officials from Aruba who allowed and assisted in the cover up. Cases like Natalee’s happen every where in the world and far too often, but the cover up is totally another facet of the case. The cover up and “no body no case” is what really stokes the fires of hate and revenge. Aruba is more responsible than the killers. My question to them is why, why do you continue to cover up the facts? Meetings I went to leads to all about tourism. After all the Dept. of Tourism was in charge of the investigation early on and probably still now.

    125. ben on October 20th, 2006 12:31 pm

      I sent sander a message to,asking where natalee was,every on here mail him, let him know we have not forgot.

    126. Miss-Underestimated on October 20th, 2006 1:01 pm

      Viet vET

      I keep asking how did Paulus know there was a CRIME AND A BODY?

    127. airgame12 on October 20th, 2006 6:18 pm


      There is No Time Limit in the Natalee Holloway Case

      The President of the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba said that the courts has not much to do with the way the Prosecutors office works. They only handle the cases in the court.

      He said that the Natalee case is not a reason to judge any of the members of court. He refers to Paulus v/d Sloot, he said that these things can happen, where a person who is linked to the court of Justice can be involved in an investigation and that judges have to be flown in to make sure that there is impartiality.

      You can not blame the prosecutor’s office either. You can not say either that this case has tainted the image of the Prosecutor’s office or the Court. He made it clear that when the case happened, Paulus van der Sloot was not a member of the Court and never was, but just was a judge in training.

      The only thing that could be done, to make sure you have a impartial view from the public is to send people from Curacao that have no knowledge of who mr. V/D Sloot was, and so where the judges of instructions that were sent to Aruba.

      After the American media and others in the world invaded the Judicial System last year, he said that when this issue is over, that they would brainstorm on this matter and with everybody that was involved. There could be things that must be straighten up and some things to learn in the Dutch system. But it’s not the time yet, since the case is still open.

      At the same time, he said that this case is not attached to a time limit. Law gives a case two year to close a case, ONLY WHEN THERE IS A PERSON IN DETENTION. If the person is still in preventive detention when that 2 year period passes, he either has to be released or his case brought to court. (This 2-year period could have been given to Joran if he was still in jail, reason I think that Arlene said that this time limit would be applied to Joran when he was in preventive detention.)

      He thinks that it is a could thing that the case has no time-limit giving everybody a good chance and time to investigate the case better, now that the KLPD is also involved. Time must be given to the police and the prosecutors office so they can do their job and then a Judge of instruction will decide or not to continue with a court case.

    128. Maggie on October 20th, 2006 7:15 pm

      #124 viet vet, well said. Cover up Cover up. btw Where’s Steve Cohen, he was checking to see if that was Paulus in the casino on the tape and going to get back to Rita with the answer. He’s the one who came out and said that “boys” did something awful to Natalee on the Dr. Phil show. He’s the one who said 2 of the “boys” had sex with Natalee. I think he meant rape. Sex is consensual. How does the tourism board get police files? Straten, what was the evidence on June 5th you seen that led to say you don’t think Natalee is alive?

      Saw a commercial today, Come dance in Aruba.. Made me sick. Natalee tried that.

    129. IndyDan on October 20th, 2006 7:31 pm

      #128 Maggie: The Dance Aruba commercial is everywhere, but Aruba translates to Natalee Holloway to most Americans. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot by flooding the airways with the brand Aruba.
      It would be like Iraq advertising Baghdad as a place to come and have fun — Dance Baghdad.

    130. cenote530 on October 20th, 2006 8:42 pm

      Yeah….Come Dance in Aruba..the quicksand & shits getting deep & waiting for you. Compliments of Aruba you get a donkey bone necklace and a target on your back.

    131. grande on October 20th, 2006 9:58 pm

      Cenote… Donkey bone necklace! ROFLMAO!!!


      KPG – Jim Wilbanks mayor of Dacula “INTERESTING IS RIGHT”

      Everyone else including the aforementioned > Gottenbos’ in Georgia Steve Croes aka Steve Gregg

    132. IndyDan on October 20th, 2006 10:13 pm

      If the Gottenbos’ are truly in Georgia, gotta wonder when the good ole boy welcome wagon will come to visit and show some good old Southern Hospitality.

    133. mayan_moons on October 20th, 2006 11:28 pm

      LMAO donkey bone necklace!

    134. Carpe Noctem on October 21st, 2006 12:47 am

      lol cenote
      the donkey bone necklace.

      Good one.


      thank you for the 411,
      Grande. Yikes is RIGHT!


      Is it just me… or when Steve
      Croes gets his pic taken these days
      … he’s drunk like 24 / 7 ?

      The drunker he gets
      his face starts to droop
      he looks like an elderly
      woman who just got tagged
      with one too many rounds
      of Botox.

      Justice 4 Natalee!
      A New Liver For Steve!
      Stop the madness people.

    135. mayan_moons on October 21st, 2006 2:46 am

      lol yah steve looks like he’s in a permanet state of stupor….he must be catching that lazy eye Jipshit’s got going on.

    136. Richard on October 21st, 2006 9:38 am

      Miss-Underestimated (#87) … you ask, why would the FBI tell the parents early on that Natalee was probably murdered? We should remember that what they know about this case is, for the most part, what Aruba chose to reveal.

      We also know that the FBI agents sent down there frequently expressed disgust with the proceedings and the ways in which they were excluded from playing a significant part in the proceedings.

      So early on, they may indeed have assumed that Aruba was acting in good faith. But that may have been precisely the conclusion that Aruba wanted the FBI to come to, and precisely the message that Aruba wanted the FBI to send.

      It still hasn’t been shown to be true. I’m keeping an open mind until we get proof.

      And still, I think that if Aruba thinks Natalee was taken off the island, perhaps with the connivance of PvdS, then they would not dare let the truth be revealed. What would THAT do to their “tourist industry”? Just a thought.

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