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    157 Responses to “Aruban New Tourism Slogan … Come to Aruba and See the Sharks”

    1. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 2:20 pm

      Oh look..it’s the “I am an ass” gang!


      SM:Â   :) Â   :) Â   :) Â   :) Â   :) Â   (klaasend)

    2. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 2:28 pm

      Knowing how BAD it is in Aruba WHY are thousands of Americans still going there EVERY month ?????????????? I don’t get it !!!!!!!!!!!!

    3. Scared Monkeys on September 30th, 2006 2:28 pm

      Welcome to the (Aruba) Hotel California … where you can check out but you can never leave.

    4. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 2:34 pm

      hi Klaasend! how are you doing btw? It’s so rude of me…I didn’t ask you that today?


      SM:   I great and you?   I’m watching Jensen’s website so I’ll know as soon as he puts Beth’s interview up.   Will let you know when that happens.   Then maybe you can email the link to your family and friends in Aruba.   They can watch the show??   (klaasend)

    5. JusticeforNatalee on September 30th, 2006 3:03 pm

      This is going to be good. Fire away, Monkeys!

    6. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 3:09 pm

      I am doing ok, you know, lot’s of homework but I can’t concentrate today cuz I am to focus on this case. I will try to do some of my homework later.
      I am going to ask my mom if they had broadcast the show there, cuz we do have a dutch tv network BVN but i am not sure if they broadcast it. I hope they show it on TeleAruba.

      And thanks, let me know so I can send them the link.

    7. Mike on September 30th, 2006 3:09 pm

      Looks like a poster for Trojan conndoms!!!

    8. Mortella on September 30th, 2006 3:15 pm

      #2 Many are going because of the desperate discounts one can get these days. Up to 75% price cuts!!!!!!!!!!!!
      And far fewer are going that just a year ago!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some people will go anywhere if it is cheap enough.!!!!!!!!!!!! Far fewer are going than did before even with these drastic discounts and below-cost accommodations. What part don’t you get????????????????

    9. nychic on September 30th, 2006 3:24 pm

      I asked this previously:

      Where did those “wax figures” of the rat-face
      brothers come from ???

    10. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 3:26 pm

      mort, Would you go to Aruba because it is cheaper ?????

    11. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 3:41 pm

      nychic, I don’t have a clue but they are all GOOD-LOOKING aren’t they !!!!!!!!!!!!


      SM:   YOU have got to be kidding?   Not a “keeper” in the bunch, IMO.   (klaasend)

    12. Allan K on September 30th, 2006 3:43 pm

      I can’t help but laugh with the beach molestor and his sketch you guys put there. Can the ALE not reconize him as the beach molestor? Truly the ALE is out to lunch, few oars out of the water, extremly dumb, morons, or just totally corrupt without a morsel of decency..

    13. Kat_Gram on September 30th, 2006 3:57 pm

      Oh yeah, these guys are cuties. This pix in itself would be enuf to discourage any teen / young adult girls from going there.. LOL

    14. sharon on September 30th, 2006 4:00 pm

      Klaas — apparently Kelmal doesn’t raise the bar very high when it comes to men. ;-0 That’s a big clue to who she is.

      Carpe — put up a pic of the ‘pimpettes’! lol

    15. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 4:04 pm

      They are so UGLY then when they were born, the doctor slap their mothers instead of them.


      SM:Â   ROFLMAO :) :) :) (klaasend)

    16. JusticeforNatalee on September 30th, 2006 4:08 pm

      Aruba Is for Losers

    17. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 4:20 pm

      I finally got an answer to my question. I have always wondered why most Aruban girls date foreigners and not Aruban guys but this pic explains it all…LOL;P

    18. Amsterdamned on September 30th, 2006 4:22 pm

      You are right losers visiting Aruba mwhoawhawha

    19. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 4:28 pm

      I think they should use this has a poster to boycott aruba. This pic is scary enough to scare anyone away.

    20. Kat_Gram on September 30th, 2006 4:29 pm

      Arubaanse, you are on a roll…
      Those Kalpoe Brothers…. what a pair.. this pix is the worst I have ever seen of them..

    21. Kat_Gram on September 30th, 2006 4:30 pm

      I just clicked on the pix to enlarge… I had to stand away from the computer. What a fright I got. Halloween comes to mind !

    22. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 4:32 pm

      Ok everyone! I am going to leave you guys alone…take care and don’t bash eachother, just have fun! I sure did have fun today! I think I’m the only one posting here but what the heck…I had fun all by myself :) take care Klaasend! Bye bye.

    23. Molly on September 30th, 2006 4:37 pm

      I have no problem going to Aruba. Just stay
      away from the dope joints. Carlos and Charlies
      was never one of my spots to visit. Aruba is as
      safe as any place in America. There are more
      people , mostly Ladies,being killed in American
      cities. You just need to set your priorities as
      to where you go and what you do.

    24. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 4:56 pm

      I had to come back one more time…How are you Kat_gram??

    25. Caroline on September 30th, 2006 5:03 pm

      Am in Aruba at the moment. According to a new book by Jan van Ness – 50% of the tourists to Aruba are time share owners. Those people are stuck. Aruba is so so commercialized – it use to be very nice.

    26. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 5:15 pm

      I know…we should go back to how Aruba was…It used to be the one and only “one happy island”.

    27. Arubaanse on September 30th, 2006 5:38 pm

      Now it’s Aruba ” the banana republic” or “Lost: the aruban version”. heheheh :)
      I am laughing but it is really sad. My mother moved to Holland when I was a baby and I have always thought that I was born in Holland and when I turned 6 years old, my mom decided that it was time to leave Holland and move back to Aruba. I was like Aruba?? I thought it was another city in Holland heheheh. I remember when i first saw Aruba, I was like my god, I can not believe that is this my island. So peaceful and quiet. It was so beautiful and everybody slept with their windows and doors open. It was amazing and I had a great time growning up on the island. Now I am back in Holland to study but as soon as I finish my school i will return to Aruba. Aruba is a great place but they have changed it alot, more hotels, casino’s, bars, it’s so sad to see that the donkeys have no other places to go and no i’m not talking about J2K. Crimes have gone up and if we continue like this we are going to become like the countries in South America. And Aruba really needs to start telling their visitors the truth. They should announce that even tho our crime rate is low that does not mean that we don’t have crazy people living among us. So they need to stop the ” Safe island”, “no crime thing”. Cuz that place don’t exist on this planet, well not any longer.

    28. Waterboy (previously, Jerry) on September 30th, 2006 6:13 pm

      To all monkeys,

      A bunch of cows, bulls, calves, etc. is called a?
      Answer: A herd.

      A bunch of birds is called a?
      Answer: a flock

      A bunch of snakes all coiled together in a hole somewhere is called a?
      Answer, a den.

      A bunch of dogs, wolves, coyotes is called a?
      Answer, a pack.

      So what is a bunch of rhinoceros called?
      Answer: a crash, that’s right a crash.

      Rhinoceros have very poor eyesight. They can see only about 25 or 30 feet, but they can run at speeds of up to 35 miles an hour. A crash—good name for a bunch of rhinos.

      So, could the Arubian investigators best be described as a herd, a flock, a den, a pack, or a crash?

      Sorry, nychic I don’t know what a bunch of rats are called. Yuck! I think.


    29. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 6:21 pm

      caroline, No time share owners are NOT STUCK THERE !! They can trade and go anywhere else in the WORLD. They prefer to go to Aruba. Thousands every month go. I DON’T GET IT !! They know it is dangerous but still go there instead of going someplace else for the SAME price !!

    30. Carpe Noctem on September 30th, 2006 6:33 pm

      I swear every time I see that pic, Deepak looks to me like he just robbed a liquor store! lol

    31. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 6:41 pm

      crape, I think he did. He is on Aruba’s most wanted list. They can’t find him !!!

    32. dennisintn on September 30th, 2006 7:06 pm

      what is a joran van der sloot? a small, venomous, dung eating prairie snake. three of them together are known as a j2k. they have many close relatives.

    33. Minnesota Dad on September 30th, 2006 7:41 pm

      Kelmal, you are wrong.

      I receive RCI certificates because the company I am affiliated with is owned by the same company that run RCI.

      These certificates give me free weeks at a resort of my choosing. Right now, I could choose among about 10 Aruba….ummm…excuse me….10 Dutch Antilles resorts to spend my free week at. If I wanted to go to Cancun…my choices are limited…Puerto Vallarta….more limited.

      You see, if Americans are going, they most likely are getting free timeshares. But I don’t think as many are going as you imply. I think aruba is “puffing” their tourism numbers to make them look much much more than they actually are.

      No one wants to go to Aruba….unless its free. md


      SM:Â   Not to mention that many of those with timeshares are middle aged and not the young female tourists the young men in Aruba like to prey upon (klaasend)

    34. OldF on September 30th, 2006 8:14 pm

      This is strange in that the other night(?) I posted in the cage what hit me about about Natalee wanting to see “sharks”
      Long story made short…
      If Natalee thought she was headed back to her hotel (with someone she thought was staying there) what better way to prolong the trip than to suggest that they go see “Sharks at Night”.
      IF SHE had requested or even if it was suggested to her before seeing the MB gang at the bus stop(?) I would have to think that she would have said something about going to see SHARKS to the MB gang.

      One of the K’s even stated that Natalee asked to go to the North shore to see the sharks!

      How would she know that? Even if it was possible (which I doubt 99.99999999 %)

      Just Wondering out loud

    35. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 8:17 pm

      minny dad, Sorry to tell you but Michigan is up 7-0 early in the first quarter. I bet Michigan -9 1/2.
      I agree with you on the time shares. It was caroloine who said the ONLY people going to Aruba had time shares and they were stuck with them. They are NOT. They could trade them and go to Las Vegas, Florida, or Michigan. They prefer to go to Aruba. I don’t get it !!!

    36. dennisintn on September 30th, 2006 8:21 pm

      those people in the picture wouldn’t make good chum. no wonder daterape drugs are so pevalent on the happy island. arubaanse and linda need to lead a revolution.

    37. Carpe Noctem on September 30th, 2006 8:51 pm

      Get ready for another SPOOKY HALLOWEEN Season
      with the Gangraping Murderous
      Van der Sloot family…

      a scene from Aru-Bay 24 Video

      They’re a SCREAM! Who
      will be their next victim?

      Don’t find out !!!


      BOYCOTT ARUBA and steer
      clear of the murdering
      raping Kalpoes and
      Van der Sloots.

    38. Tazman on September 30th, 2006 9:05 pm

      Just saw Beth’s interview with Greta. Beth is so well spoken, composed and determined to get answers. She has so much class, more so than the V’s and K’s. I loved what she said about Karin Janssen. Beth is right. The prosceutor doesn’t seem to know who she is supposed to defend. She is supposed to defend Natalee, so that means that she is supposed to communicate with Natalee’s family and/or attorney(s). From day one!!


    39. Tazman on September 30th, 2006 9:16 pm

      The Aruban Tourist Authority needs to confront Karin Janssen and ask her why hasn’t she pressed charges against the 3. She said she didn’t need a body to press charges. They were the last to be with Natalee. They need to throw the 3 of them into jail with some big ass sex perverts that like sex with guys.

    40. realtruth on September 30th, 2006 9:19 pm

      God bless Natalee Holloway

    41. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 9:21 pm

      taz, She did communicate with JQK all the time. JQK even liked her and defended her. JQK said he was satisfied with KJ and she was doing a good job.

    42. JusticeforNatalee on September 30th, 2006 9:22 pm

      #8 Mortella!!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    43. Richard on September 30th, 2006 9:23 pm

      How’s this for a slogan?

      “Aruba … once you come here, you’ll never leave.”

    44. Katablog.com on September 30th, 2006 9:27 pm

      Aruba Tourism Slogan: Check in. We’ll Take Care of Your Check Out.

    45. JusticeforNatalee on September 30th, 2006 9:33 pm

      #41 JQK said that Janssen needed to step it up or step down.

    46. Esther on September 30th, 2006 9:45 pm

      I am proud to be an aruban..I live in holland and married to a dutchman and we have two beautifull children and are very happy that we are going to spend christmas in aruba!!!
      I am so blessed that i was born and raised in Aruba and nobody,no freaking american can take that away from me!!! You all can say whatever you want but Aruba will always be an beatifull island to us and for many of our friends here in holland! I want to say hello to my parents in Aruba…hi mom dad love you…For those who whish the worse for my island : Get a freaking life!!!
      From the bottom of my heart i hope that soon there will be an closure of this case for the Holloway family..


    47. aruba#1 on September 30th, 2006 9:46 pm

      {{edit – try posting that same thing in English and see if it goes through ;) Â   }}Â   (klaasend)

    48. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 9:50 pm

      #45 NOPE, He stuck up for KJ every chance he had. It was Dompig who he couldn’t stand. Dompig wouldn’t even return his calls. Maybe him and Kj had something going ????

    49. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 9:52 pm

      Esther, Good Post, Come back and visit us again !! Luv Ya Kel !!!

    50. aruba#1 on September 30th, 2006 9:55 pm

      {{edit – if you can read English you can post in English so we all know what you are saying}} (klaasend)

    51. nychic on September 30th, 2006 9:56 pm

      kelmal -

      IMO Every Male In Aruba Appears To Be An
      Overweight/Bloated Alcoholic !

      In All The Pics and Media Coverage I Have
      Seen – Never Once Have I Seen What I Would
      Consider A Good-Looking Guy !

      Are There Any Gyms In Aruba Except For At
      The Hotels ?

      You are incorrect on the timeshare issue as well -
      In order to trade for another location you must
      be a member of RCI and pay the annual dues –
      in addition to your timeshare maintenance fees
      (the best thing is to know someone else who
      has a timeshare and just show up – which is
      what I do at my Mom’s in PV every year)

    52. dennisintn on September 30th, 2006 10:05 pm

      #29, the aruba timeshare owners have to be able to find someone willing to swap with them. i would imagine that would be kind of hard to do right now, unless there are timeshare owners in the shadow of a smoking volcano, or maybe in the path of a tsunami. selling the things right now wouldn’t be easy either, since somebody dumb enough to pay for them has to be found.

    53. KELMAL on September 30th, 2006 10:06 pm

      nychic, When I go on vacation I go with My GOOD Looking husband. I have no need to go out of the country looking for men. I guess some woman do but I never had too.

    54. Skyboxx on September 30th, 2006 10:20 pm

      Well with the red light in all, ah never mind

    55. Tazman on September 30th, 2006 10:29 pm


      There were many times that KJ refused to speak with Beth, and/or didn’t update her on a regular basis. She’s the one that even tried to pursue the issue if Beth was Hitler’s sister or a relative of his. If she was so busy then why spend the time? KJ allowed Paulos to review the file and not Beth. KJ never had a good rapport with Beth or Dave. Now why is that? They only wanted answers. They only wanted the truth. KJ was supposed to be Natalee, Beth and Dave’s spokesperson. Their defense. KJ was supposed to make damn sure that evidence and all evidence was intact and not tampered with. She still is for that matter. If criminal acts against tourists occur KJ is supposed to follow through to solve the crimes. The Aruban Tourist Authority needs to speak with KJ. KJ needs to share her files right here on Scared Monkeys!!

    56. Tazman on September 30th, 2006 10:32 pm


      Its good your a proud Aruban. Now, just imagine if the judicial system had succeeded in solving this crime against Natalee.

      Where would your beautiful island be now if it had?

      A lot better off no doubt!!

    57. Minnesota Dad on September 30th, 2006 10:38 pm

      #46 Esther,

      Oh please Esther. Americans wish the worst on Aruba right now because Americans know this is the only way this case will be solved.

      As people lose their jobs, as businesses close, it will be then that people will be fed up with those in control who have covered this up.

      Americans didn’t want it this way. Americans didn’t create this problem. So don’t go getting defensive because Americans have utilized the only tool at their disposal to get this case solved.

      Shutter your businesses. Lose your jobs….or join the crowd that just wants this dealt with and Paulus and his three ‘procurers’ behind bars. It is simple. Put these deviants away and Americans will come back.

      Until then…watch your birth home crumble. So sorry. md

    58. nychic on September 30th, 2006 10:39 pm

      so –
      I take it that no-one knows where this
      pic of the “wax Kalpukes” came from ??
      or is it a card-board cut out ?

      Carpe – are they on display somewhere ?
      I certainly hope not – unless they are
      being used as a dart board !

    59. robots on September 30th, 2006 10:51 pm


      and thats the BOTTOM LINE

    60. robots on September 30th, 2006 10:54 pm

      waiting for some people in ARUBA to DEMAND a REAL investigation….tick tock —- tick tock

      damage has been done
      only one way for the damage to be UNDONE and even then it will take time…

      but better late then never

      can you say “REVOLT”

      i can say REVOLTING – the way this case has been HANDLED
      let me say it again in case anyone missed it



    61. Miss-Underestimated on September 30th, 2006 11:04 pm

      You know that those pitcures remind me of a cross of the characters in One flew over the cuckoos nest (joran) and scarface.

      Look at those pictures the only way the can get girls is to get them drunk and drug em. What a creepy ugly group.

      Aruba give Natalee back to her family

    62. mayan_moons on October 1st, 2006 12:22 am

      post#9 hey nychic, asking about those waxy rats/ass’s, that is one weird looking pic!

    63. mayan_moons on October 1st, 2006 12:25 am

      oops i din’t see your post#53 nychic…….that pic has a link on this page near the top right Carpe?

      i see alot of things going on that pic.

    64. nychic on October 1st, 2006 12:34 am

      Has Anyone Considered That The Reason Joran
      Is In Aruba Might Be That Something Is
      Happening With The Case ????

      It Certainly Makes Sense !

      It Was Posted That 1 of The Dutch
      Investigators Was There ??

      Everyone Keep Your Fingers Crossed !


      SM:   MF at Freedom of Blog is saying something about the Kalpoes and Joran going to court.   However, MF is also talking about the possibility of JK2 asking the judge to release them as suspects so the case can be closed.   This is all heresay (klaasend)

    65. GrannyToad on October 1st, 2006 12:50 am


      ARUBA: Island of the Body Snatchers

    66. Molly on October 1st, 2006 1:21 am

      I was wondering if Joran ran home to Daddy Sloot to ask his legal advice again. He probably didn’t want to be in the whole country of Holland while Beth was there. lol So afraid of the tiny lady. Very coincidental that Joran went home at the same time at Beth’s interview with Jensen.

      molly (in Houston)

    67. Molly on October 1st, 2006 1:23 am

      UGLY buncha of guys in Aruba. No girl in her right mind would go out with one of them. So they make sure that she’s NOT in her right mind, i.e. drugged, cuz that is the only way they can get a girl. And would they all go take a shower? Yuck.

      molly (in Houston)

    68. Kate on October 1st, 2006 1:29 am

      Aruba’s best specimens of the male gender! Must be one proud island! Come one Arubans! Is this group of “inflated egos” really worth the notoriety they have brought to your country? Someone come forth, collect the reward money, and tell what you know about these losers! It’s NOT too late!

    69. mayan_moons on October 1st, 2006 1:55 am

      He ran to aruba coz he was afraid he may be brought in for questioning or be rearrested in Holland. Maybe they can’t buy off or intimidate everyone there like they’ve done in aruba.

    70. GrannyToad on October 1st, 2006 2:22 am

      We’ll have to see how or if this Dutch investigation turns out in Natalee’s disappearance.

      It would be to Arubans’ advantage to make the effort to do what needs doing where Natalee and her families are concerned to win the hearts and minds of Mericans if US tourist Dollars in their economy are important. Arubans know who to look at if I do.

      The first names that come to mind botching the case from day one are Jacobs, vdStraaten and Voc/King, maybe Janssen.

    71. nychic on October 1st, 2006 2:36 am

      klaas –
      thanks for the updates -
      and thanks for “tainting your screen” over there
      **so we don’t have to**
      that is truly going above and beyond !

      Didn’t the Whole Sloot Family Already File
      Their Ridiculous Damage Claims ?

      Wonder What The Status of Paulus Monetary
      Claim Is That Karin Janssen Appealed ?
      I Thought KJ Had Been Replaced By Now ?

      (i’m sure our resident KJ Expert: kelmal
      will inform us of her status)

      Doesn’t Beth Have Another Avenue With The FBI
      If Aruba Officially Closes The Case ?

    72. mayan_moons on October 1st, 2006 3:05 am

      It wasn’t botched, Beth,Jug,Van Stratten,D.Jacobs all knew within 12 hours of Natalee not showing up for her flight that Jurine & Kalpoo brothers were lying about dropping Natalee off at the HI.

    73. Tazman on October 1st, 2006 3:19 am

      Ugly guys. Wouldn’t want my daughter or her friends associating with any of them. Bottom feeders!!

    74. Amsterdamned on October 1st, 2006 4:13 am

      Esther, very good post indeed. This site is not helping the real problem. San Rancune is the best attitude, it save you a lot of wrong using energy. SM, become wise and focus yourself only the case


      SM: Please do not tell us what to do. You have no idea what we do or how we help.


    75. Joe_Public on October 1st, 2006 7:38 am

      #46 Esther

      Most of us love our place of birth even with its flaws, but we demand that our law enforcement agencies and politicians do their jobs without impunity, or we kick them out. And, if the offenses are so agresious we will put them in jail to boot.

      I’ve had an open line of communication with several prominent citizens of Aruba and even they say it is not the place they once loved. An influx of illegals along with the illicit drugs they bring breeds corruption and destroys the once benign, cheerful ambience of the island.

      If you love your island, then it is your duty to rally its citizenry and demand that changes be made. A good start would be to insist that the Natalee Holloway case be solved and that EVERONE involved in the crime or the cover-up be brought to justice!

      Counter to some of the misguided jargon floating around the internet, we “freaking” Americans would do the same for you if one of your children were lost in this country.

    76. Richard on October 1st, 2006 7:44 am


      “I’m proud to be an Aruban … I live in Holland.”

      That says it all, doesn’t it?

    77. Skyboxx on October 1st, 2006 7:45 am

      Deep throat news about to be released in Aruba? Anyone here this?

    78. Richard on October 1st, 2006 8:14 am

      It was mentioned above that, as one rumor has it, the Terrible Trio (and of course PvdS) might be petitioning the court to remove them as suspects, and to declare the case closed.

      Some time ago, there was talk on this forum about taking out an ad in newspapers, etc. I think that if something such as this does occur (and my understanding is, by next May Aruba MUST declare it a cold case if it remains unsolved), that would be the time to unleash a campaign that:

      1. Reminds the public of Beth’s call for a boycott of all the Netherlands Antilles islands (Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao), which was her original proposal, until answers are provided in Natalee’s case. (Remember, Amy Bradley vanished in 1998 while the cruise ship was docking at Curacao.)

      2. Demands that our government send investigators to Aruba, and that at the VERY LEAST, unless they get effective cooperation, we declare a tourist advisory against Aruba. I believe that we have the right to do that by treaty, but realistically, if Aruba doesn’t cooperate, our chances of getting anywhere would be zilch.

      Obviously, the family would have to lead in this effort. But if this point is reached, our work on their behalf would be important as never before.

      In my view, which is not binding on anyone, blogging is fine … but if we do nothing else, how effective can it be? Let’s get ready to carry the campaign to the public.

    79. MIss-Underesitmated on October 1st, 2006 8:49 am

      Right GT, nice to see you post here.

    80. linda on October 1st, 2006 8:58 am

      Mayan Moons..#69

    81. MIss-Underesitmated on October 1st, 2006 9:02 am

      Wouldn’t JQ Kelly have to be advised if there is a court hearing about the dismissal of suspects?

      Are the Dutch in Aruba? Could the trio have been called in for more questioning? Or could Joran be in Aruba because he got wind of the interview Beth was giving to Jensen and wanted to elude the heat from his countrymen?

      Just throwing it out there….

      BA BA BA
      Perfuming the pigs in the Island of Aruba, no wait the Antilles/ um the Happy little lieland. Welcome to the Liars Den

    82. Resolution on October 1st, 2006 9:28 am


      re: your #12 comment, I choose “D” ‘ALL OF THE ABOVE’

    83. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 9:44 am

      Has anyone heard anything about DEEP THROAT ????

    84. blah on October 1st, 2006 9:52 am

      You think Americans are investing in Aruban time shares? I know someone who just had to dump his because of health reasons – he lost his ass on it. How many class trips were there to Aruba this year? Anywhere near the number as the previous year? You think Aruba is going to bank during spring break 2007? Aruba will NEVER become a popular spring break destination like they hoped. You idiots cannot even figure out why. Why do some morons continue to claim on this board that tourism is doing well when every week there are articles in Aruban newspapers that show just the oppostite? Heres a hint – ignoring the problem and acting like it does not exist will not make it go away.

    85. www.ayaan.info on October 1st, 2006 9:54 am

      USA troops in Afghanistan action against opium / heroin
      USA special units in Colombia against coca / cocaine
      Aruba is much nearer and huge cocaine trade centre.
      Aruba is also tax haven for tax evasion.
      Aruba is also centre for banking and white washing of criminal money, of those criminal organisations like MS13 that make (parts of) USA cities dangerous.
      Why not USA enforcement on Aruba against all this?

    86. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 9:55 am

      Richard, EXCELLENT POST. You are 100% right. Blogging is great BUT not many people read or hear us. It’s time to take it to the public. Put an ad in the New York paper where MILLIONS read it. Go to the TV stations. Hell lets go to the WHITE HOUSE !!! That is the way to get RESULTS !!!

    87. www.ayaan.info on October 1st, 2006 9:57 am

      Aruba is cosed by the Dutch establishment as a tax haven for tax evasion. Holland does not have the law of world taxation. The cocaine sniffing financial employees are also served with the camp with black and white adult and minor prostitution slaves. Understand why the Dutch authorities are so reluctant towards Aruba?

    88. JusticeforNatalee on October 1st, 2006 10:14 am

      I have the utmost sympathy for the women on Aruba if THAT is a representative sample of the dating pool!

    89. www.ayaan.info on October 1st, 2006 10:14 am

      The Dutch politicians, reporters, journalists, police and prosecutors ignore the Holloway case, ignore the Jensen show Beth was on.
      May be the best way for USA citizens to support Beth and protect themselves is to boycott Aruba, to boycott Heineken beer, to boycott Phillips and its brands LG, Whirlpool, Sagem, Norelco, Sense and Simplicity, Senseo, Thomson, Marantz, etc. If their sales to the USA half, then they will regret. The power really is to the USA consumers, if they use their power. So start the boycott and spread the boycott by encouraging your friends and everyone to join the boycott. Then see who still smiles while disrespecting USA citizens.

    90. www.ayaan.info on October 1st, 2006 10:16 am

      Robert Jensen Dutch TV Replay of the Beth Twitty Interview
      September 29th, 2006 at 08:51am Posted by Scared Monkeys | Media, Natalee Holloway, Aruba, Beth Twitty | 83 comments

      60: To 57 Pearl 07:02 am
      I think some answer to your questions is in comment 27. You know how dangerous my comments are for me? My real address is not public. However, I am legally obligated to disclose my real address to some of the corrupt and cowardous Dutch authorities. One of them sure will leak my address to criminal organisations looking for me. In the past I was shot twice and sniped with a laser guided rifle, by the Turk grey wolves. That was only three weeks after I lobbied at the European parliament that it would be best to allow Armenia and Georgia to join the EU before 1997.
      So I think the way to support Beth is starting and spreading a campaign of Aruba bashing and Holland bashing. See my suggestions in comment 58.
      Comment by http://www.ayaan.info | September 30, 2006, 7:39 am

      61: Ayaan..i am afraid that you are right…:( The thing is I know u r right.
      Comment by Arubaanse | September 30, 2006, 8:26 am

    91. Joe_Public on October 1st, 2006 10:22 am

      In the beginning this was the case of a missing girl that failed to show up for her flight home from vacation. Because of her personal background, it became very obvious that foul play must have taken place to prevent her from returning to her hotel room.

      This thing can and does happen frequently around the world. In the U.S. almost nightly we hear the tragic story of a missing person and all too often the horrendous end result is almost predictable.

      What took place after it was discovered Natalee was missing is what sets the story apart from most others and makes it about a whole island nation.

      Aruba made this about Aruba with their own actions, or inactions! So, fix the problem, or forever be branded as a place out of control with no respect for those that have patronized the island. Tourism is no different than any other business. Respect and protect your customer base or lose them.

      It is ALL up to you Aruba!

    92. www.ayaan.info on October 1st, 2006 10:35 am

      You remember the danger of Saddam with chemical warfare? supplied by the Dutch Frans Anraath and Melcher. The expenses for the USA to solve the Saddam problem have already passed nine hundred billion and thousands of USA troops. More damage and USA casualties than 911. Melcher still is free, enjoying his billion dollars. He has threatened the Dutch police and prosecutor with a so called abduction of his thirty year old daughter by narcotic criminals. Why not sending the bill to Melcher? Was he not a harmful terrorist? Why not capture him?
      You remember the Korean nuclear technology originating from the Pakistani Khan? Thirty years ago he was free to collect the nuclear technology in Holland, to help Pakistan to a nuclear bomb. And still Dutch nuclear scientists are frequenting Pakistan. You know that Pakistan is known for cheap young child boy prostitutes for gay pedos? Do you not think that Pakistan is dangerous with nuclear bombs, poor with 160 million people and without export products like oil, gas, ores?
      You see, made in Holland, origin Holland, has a special meaning.

    93. www.ayaan.info on October 1st, 2006 10:43 am

      USA troops in Afghanistan action against opium / heroin
      USA special units in Colombia against coca / cocaine
      Aruba is much nearer and huge cocaine trade centre.
      Aruba is also tax haven for tax evasion.
      Aruba is also centre for banking and white washing of criminal money, of those criminal organisations like MS13 that make (parts of) USA cities dangerous. Those criminal networks drag hundreds of thousands of youngsters into crime and prison. Also this war takes tens of thousands of lives every year. Why this war against the USA only in the streets of the USA cities and neighbourhoods? Why this war not more effective at its origins, like in Afghanistan and Colombia?
      Why not USA enforcement on Aruba against all this?
      Why not USA enforcement on Aruba against all this?
      Why not USA enforcement on Aruba against all this?

    94. JusticeforNatalee on October 1st, 2006 11:15 am

      Everyone read Richard’s post #78

    95. IndyDan on October 1st, 2006 11:38 am

      #77 Skyboxx: Nothing more than just that.

    96. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 11:58 am

      blah post84, So he HAD to dump it because of health reasons and NOT because of the boycott. HUMMMMMMMM !!
      Anyone who sells a time share no matter where it is takes a BATH. Time shares are a VERY, VERY bad investment. IMO Anyone who buys a time share is very NAIVE and believes everything the salesman tells them. I have a few friends that bought them and ALL of them wish they NEVER DID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    97. dave on October 1st, 2006 12:07 pm

      I see the moronic TROLL has a new nic, what loser, it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant it can be. Enough said I fed it to much already lol

    98. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 12:13 pm

      dave, I love it. You keep saying don’t respond but you are the FIRST one to respond to me. THANKS

    99. linda on October 1st, 2006 12:13 pm

      Hey Klaasend!!
      They are going to court to close this case..In the first week of November..do not remember the date exactly..


      SM:   Hi Linda – what paper is that being published in?   Yes, it was reported on another website last night that the Kalpoe brothers would be going to court on November 1st to get themselves released as suspects and Joran will follow.   Do you know if the Dutch team is in Aruba yet?   (klaasend)

    100. Arubaanse on October 1st, 2006 12:19 pm

      Hi Linda and Klaasend!

      OMG…please tell me that this is not happening. Please tell me that they are not going to close this case right now?


      SM:   Hi Arubaanse – what I read is that the Kalpoe brothers are going to court on November 1st to clear their name as suspects and Joran will follow.   My question is, why is Joran in Aruba right now?   I’m wondering if the Dutch team is there and requested Joran to be there.   Just because a court date is set does not mean it will happen, IMO (klaasend)

    101. linda on October 1st, 2006 12:28 pm

      I think Joran is here because he knows the dutch are already working on this case..so better get arrested here then in Holland..there is no daddy in Holland to help him out..
      The court thing was not published in papers yet..Nov 1 is the date when the Kalpoes are going..if they close this case the Kalpoes have let see the same rights as Joran already has..they can go on with their lives..study..etc..
      Don’t know if they just close this case..The Aruban Government knows really well that if this case is going to be closed that it will cost them a lot of money..I mean they are all gonna sue the government..especially Joran since his daddy already has experience with that..


      SM:   So, my question is if Joran is re-arrested, how can they possibly close the case?   (klaasend)

    102. linda on October 1st, 2006 12:35 pm

      That counts for the Kalpoes not for Joran..at least that is what I heard..

    103. Arubaanse on October 1st, 2006 12:39 pm

      Are the dutch already working on this case?

    104. Arubaanse on October 1st, 2006 12:39 pm

      Linda, have they broadcast or say anything about the Jensen show??


      SM:   Jensen hasn’t updated his website yet but I’m hoping tomorrow the show will be on his website so people not in the Netherlands can watch it.   Also, I noticed in Diario’s forum, someone posted a link to SM and the statements. (klaasend)

    105. linda on October 1st, 2006 12:49 pm

      Really I didnt hear anyone talking about this show..the people I told do not even know Jensen..so no they didn’t say anything about the show..not in papers or tv.
      Arubaanse..I’m sure that the Dutch are already investigating this case..but not really the case..more the Ale..what all went wrong etc..to prevent these big errors they made will ever happen again.

    106. linda on October 1st, 2006 12:51 pm

      Arubaanse..where are you studying in Holland..is it already freakin cold..I just went to the Fisherman huts with my kids..the weather and sea are beautiful today..hehe..you have to miss that..

    107. Arubaanse on October 1st, 2006 12:57 pm

      Linda, I have been telling Klaasend, that maybe what Aruba needs to do is exactly what Jensen did, you know, let them explain her story, listen to her version and not what what was said in the media. I wish we had a talkshow host that wanted to interview her. It doesn’t have to be a talkshowhost, it could be a journalist or radio dj or whatever. Alot of Arubans don’t know what really happened in this case. What do you think??

    108. Arubaanse on October 1st, 2006 12:58 pm

      I live in Delft and I study in The Hague. It’s not that cold yet but it did rained last night and this morning.:(
      I reallly miss Aruba:(

    109. Houston on October 1st, 2006 12:59 pm


    110. Carpe Noctem on October 1st, 2006 1:03 pm

      Why did the Dutch Twink have to change his handle this time? Did he murder and rape AGAINNNN? What a scuzzle bomb.


    111. Arubaanse on October 1st, 2006 1:06 pm

      Klaasend, what do you think if we send Diario the link to Jensen’s show??


      SM:   That’s a good idea.   It seems Jensen’s site doesn’t update over the weekend but I’m hoping the link will be up tomorrow.   Then we could send it to Diario.   (klaasend)

    112. Carpe Noctem on October 1st, 2006 1:40 pm

      LOL nychic. That picture of DeeQuack
      where he looks like he just robbed
      a liquor store and mugged a Salvation Army
      Santa Clause…

      that came from a lucky Google
      I did where I picked up this
      BLOG from some guy out of Ohio.

      The blog was built very early in the case.

      A lot of the stuff ( if not all of it was from Summer 2005 )

      I had never seen this blog before EVER.
      Never have seen it again either.

    113. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 1:55 pm

      Yep, I hate to tell you I told you so but it is going down just like I said. IMO Holland came and got what Aruba had which is very LITTLE. They went over it in ONE hour. Holland then said to ARUBA “WHY THE HELL ARE THESE BOYS SUSPECTS” ??? If Aruba gave them everything they would know why but aruba got rid of ANYTHING that was important. Holland told Aruba to contact the boys lawyers and tell them they were going to DROP the charges. That is why Joran is there now and why they are going to court on Nov. 1st to get ALL charges DROPPED. IMO that is the way it is going down. And that is just how I said it would MONTHS ago.


      SM:   Sorry, but that DOES NOT explain why Joran would be in Aruba right now.   Why on earth would he need to be there a month ahead of time?   Could it be that he’s being re-interrigated as we speak?   (klaasend)

    114. Amsterdamned on October 1st, 2006 2:24 pm

      I hope ther will be soon a closure of this tragedy for the holloway family and the family van der sloot of course

    115. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 2:26 pm

      klaas, NO they can’t do that unless they got new evidence. IMO he came back to celebrate.

    116. Joe_Public on October 1st, 2006 2:26 pm

      Joran probably just needed to pick up some cash, do a little gambling, drink a few bottles of 151 and drug a few young girls. He seems to prefer them in and out of consciousness.

      #113 It would take more than hour just to read through all the statements made by various people and those alone indicate a proper investigation has yet to be done. Follow-up, follow-up, follow-up is the whole purpose of an interrogation in the first place!

    117. linda on October 1st, 2006 3:35 pm

      Joran also has a week or 10 days off from school..starting tomorrow..like my kids..thats why he is probably here right now..and then he will stay for the court..Still only heard that it was for the Kalpoes and not Joran.

    118. Carpe Noctem on October 1st, 2006 4:58 pm


      If you’re looking to kill some time…

      Here are some pics from the “Aruban Plague”

      otherwise known to the rest of the world

      as the murdering raping scuzz bag Van der Sloots.


      IMO: These scuzbags are the reason Natalee did not
      come home. -J4N-

    119. Molly on October 1st, 2006 5:12 pm

      10 days to cause trouble. Maybe Joran will slip up and make another mistake. How can anyone put up with him? Who could stand to do another coverup? Hopefully Joran will get dumped off the edge to ‘see the sharks’.

      molly (in Houston)

    120. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 5:22 pm

      Molly, No such LUCk. He is a celebrity in Aruba !!!

    121. Miss-Underestimated on October 1st, 2006 5:30 pm

      116. Get a little fun time in before the hammer falls?
      Why isn’t he in school?

    122. Miss-Underestimated on October 1st, 2006 5:44 pm

      118 Carpe yep that’s the old man I been asking about, he does look like Paulus, has that yet been denied by the Sloots camp, Mr. Tacopina?

      I was wondering who is that old man sitting next to Natalee, on the casino tape, the last night Natalee was seen? Who is that old man?

    123. Carpe Noctem on October 1st, 2006 6:07 pm

      According to the IMO rapist and murderer of
      Natalee Ann Holloway his life in Aruba is hell.
      The only time he feels like he is “home” is in
      Holland. –Joran Van der Rape ABC Interview 9/5/2006

    124. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 6:35 pm

      MISS-u, It is Joe Smith !!!

    125. IndyDan on October 1st, 2006 6:52 pm

      #123 Carpe: And now that little space of comfort has gotten even smaller, that’s why he fled back to ‘hell’. He can’t escape Beth Twitty, she’s the demon in his closet that is everywhere he is. Beth and Natalee will forever have this rapist – murderer running from himself.

    126. IndyDan on October 1st, 2006 7:00 pm

      The VanDerSloots can run and they can try to hide. They might even try to carry on normal lives, but they will forever be haunted by Natalee Holloway. Nowhere can they go in any public venue in any comfort, they will forever be known by the world community as the Raping – Murdering VanDerSloots.
      This is why Joran is in Aruba during school session, he’s running from the fallout of Beth Twitty being in is “home” country where he feels safe.

    127. Carpe Noctem on October 1st, 2006 7:04 pm

      No, that’s definitely Paulus lurking for date.

      I don’t blame him either… if Anita
      was mine… who wouldn’t be looking
      for greener pastures…

      …even she would be?


    128. Mortella on October 1st, 2006 7:13 pm

      Call out to WELCOME Granny Toad~ please come and comment often! Your thoughts are always welcome.

      Kelmel, I wouldn’t go to Aruba if they paid me nor for any reason. And they can’t trade their timeshares for Florida or Las Vegas if no one will trade with them, silly! That’s the whole point.

      No, those pimpley faced, bloated man-boobed galoots look like a collection one would find in the office of a doctor who specializes in liver transplants. They are in terrible shape for their age and ugly besides. I have seen some pretty Aruban women but the men are pathetic looking. Guess that is why they have to prey on the tourists, the locals won’t have anything to do with their nasty selves.

      That and the high AIDS factor are enough to turn off most people but not some I see. Sad, really.

    129. Mortella on October 1st, 2006 7:20 pm

      Yeppers, one thing’s for sure~they’ve all got those Charlie Manson eyes!!

    130. Mortella on October 1st, 2006 7:23 pm

      Oh, yes! JohnQ thought so highly of Cowgirl Janssen that he just happened to forget to tell her anything at all about serving Joran in NYC!

      Tsk tsk, you don’t suppose he doesn’t trust her any farther than he can throw Joran do you? That’s the impression I sure got from her being left out of the loop.

      He laughed and said he “forgot” to mention his plans for that little aspect.

      JQK is nobody’s fool and he knows better than to trust Karin “We had no reason to think the boys would lie” Janssen. I mean who would, really when you get right down to it given her performance??

    131. Mortella on October 1st, 2006 7:32 pm

      Hope you enjoy your holidays but this is not about you. It’s about NATALEE and what did some Arubans wish for her? I don’t think it was anything good. And not only did they wish it, apparently they carried it out as well. That is our problem with Aruba. We should return good wishes in exchange for this being done to our citizen?

      Not the way things work, sorry.

      Arubanese, would love to see Delft! So famous and historic. Maybe some day if Natalee is given justice I can go there. Until then, it’s off limits to me. Take care and study hard!

    132. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 7:51 pm

      Mort, I see you don’t know NOTHING about time shares. You don’t have to trade with anyone. If there is a vacancy in Florida you just go there instead of Aruba. Nobody has to go to Aruba in your place. I can see you don’t travel to much.

    133. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 7:54 pm

      Mort, Wrong again. JQK told KJ and Kj even wrote a letter to the judge stating she wanted the case HEARD in NEW York. Even though everyone knew it was a long shot KJ tried to help JQK.

    134. Molly on October 1st, 2006 9:20 pm

      126. IndyDan. Glad to see that YOU read my post.(119) We have some trollitis on here. Anybody have an antibiotic?

      What I meant was…..all the people who have worked sooo hard on the cover-up of what happened to Natalee, will not want to go through all this a second time if Joran does his drug/rape/oops murder for the 22nd time. (The first 20 times nothing happened.) They will want to throw HIM to the sharks and get RID of this problem.

      I agree with you, Indy, Beth’s presence in Joran’s ‘home’ state scared the poop out of him, so he ran home to mommy and daddypoop.

      molly (in Houston)

    135. GRETAMAL on October 1st, 2006 9:29 pm

      Molly, No he is on VACATION. He has 2 weeks off from school so he went to SUNNY Aruba !!

    136. nychic on October 1st, 2006 10:27 pm

      Vacation ??? Celebration ???

      Joran is banned from CnC’s and Club Bahia -
      Choose-A-Name Bar Burned Down -
      He is not Welcome At CyberZone Internet Cafe -
      Probably Is Not “Invited” To Anymore Poker Tournaments -
      Koen,Sander,Freddy,Guido,Lorenzo All Fled Aruba ?
      He is No Longer Friends With Kalpukes ?

      Not Much Left ? I Guess He Is Hanging Out With
      Paulus & Anita or forced to “Party” With JRenfro ?

    137. punkingale on October 1st, 2006 10:36 pm

      I don’t believe Joran’s on vacation. School just started!!! Something else is going on, I’m just not sure what.

    138. Molly on October 1st, 2006 10:52 pm

      LOLOL, Nychic. Thank you very much. So funny, and exactly right. Hanging’ out with Daddypoop and Mommypoo.

      molly (in Houston)

    139. jeazebelle on October 2nd, 2006 8:40 am

      Aruba will forever be OUR 1 HAPPY ISLAND!!!And there’s not a damn thing you pathetic losers can EVERRRR do about it!!!

      At least 5000 women are being raped everyday in the States??????

      Don’t even mention SUSAN SMITH!!!!!

      Think about it!


      SM: Sorry Charlie … but Aruba has a higher crime rate per capita than the US.

    140. Amsterdamned on October 2nd, 2006 9:20 am

      Click on this link for the interview of MS Twitty with Robert Jenssen (RTL Television/Tne netherlands)




      SM: Thanks, also posted on FP, separate post

    141. SUPER DAVE on October 2nd, 2006 10:50 am


    142. JusticeforNatalee on October 2nd, 2006 11:11 am

      “… bloated man-boobed galoots” LOL Mortella!

      And yes, wasn’t that priceless when JQK “forgot” to tell Janssen!

    143. mayan_moons on October 2nd, 2006 2:21 pm

      lol man-boobed galoots!~

      now thats a keeper!

    144. SUPER DAVE on October 2nd, 2006 4:31 pm

      jeazebel ? how many times have you been molested on your beautiful little trash dump? with this name probably many times.

    145. Carpe Noctem on October 2nd, 2006 5:29 pm

      The murdering raping lying Van der Sloots

      and the land of hell, Aruba.

      Oh, what a feeling.

      Justice 4 Natalee

    146. Arubaanse on October 2nd, 2006 6:23 pm

      Jeazebell, you embarass me! STOP IT!

    147. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 7:30 pm

      suer dave, LOL !!!!!!!!!!! I know you don’t mean that. Deep down you are a nice person !!!

    148. Mortella on October 2nd, 2006 7:40 pm

      I have never bought timeshares in anything and would not like to do so. And I am especially thankful that I have not done so in One Crappy Island. I am considering a condo at Gulf Shores, our own sugar-white natural (not man-made like FUaruba’s) but it will not be timeshared.

      And I don’t believe it is nearly as easy to dump those Aruban timeshares as you say. Otherwise the price would not be plummeting and sales people having to get real jobs now.

      FYI, I don’t consider a trip to the beach as “travel” if you go somewhere where there is nothing of historic value to see. It is a trip to the beach. Period and only that.

    149. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 8:41 pm

      mort, You don’t dump a time share. You would still own it but instead of going to Aruba you go to Florida. It is called trading you time share. All you are doing is trading your week in Aruba for a week in Florida. Then next year instead of going to aruba you might try San. Fran. The next year you might try Boston. You still own the one in Aruba but you don’t go there . Instead you trade it to go somewhere else. I hope you get it NOW !!!!!!!!!

    150. GRETAMAL on October 2nd, 2006 8:46 pm

      Gulf Shores Beach is all man made. The hurricanes wiped all the natural sand out. They brought truck loads of sand in to build it back up. Just thought you should know that if you are going to BUY there !!!

    151. IndyDan on October 2nd, 2006 9:18 pm

      #139 Jeazebelle: I sense your pain and anguish, but I do think you will see what us ‘pathetic losers’ will do to you in the long run. Erosion is a slow process. If you’re feeling this much pain at this early point, you might consider relocating.
      Aruba will pay for Natalee Holloway, you can fight it or you can join us. You as an Aruban can stand up to your corrupt government and demands answers, or you can post painful shoutouts to us who won’t go away. I hope you will take a stand.

    152. Ramlady on October 3rd, 2006 1:37 am

      Gretamal/Kelmal, #149; you most certainly CAN sell your timeshare. Most people end up selling them for less than they originally paid just to get rid of them, but you CAN sell it if you can find a willing buyer. As an owner, you are free to trade your week, or two weeks or whatever you bought into, for somewhere else, but when you sell it, there is no trading; you don’t own it anymore. For the most part, they are bad investments.

    153. GRETAMAL on October 3rd, 2006 9:12 am

      ramlady, I know you can sell them but you can also trade to go somewhere else. That is what I have been trying to explain to MORT. They are BAD INVESTMETS and IMO only suckers buy them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    154. Mike on October 3rd, 2006 2:46 pm

      You can keep you 1 happy island, we damn sure dont want it unless maybe to use as a nuclear test site! And you say that all these women arent getting raped in Aruba as they are in the United States…….well how the hell would we be able to tell being as you people spend all your time covering this up so no one will know. And as red said……your stats are screwd! So keep your island, but bet its going to be hard to live there when there are no jobs or money to support your kidnapping,murdering,raping ways.

    155. GretaMAL on October 3rd, 2006 3:56 pm

      mike, Aruba has had alot of crime for YEARS. Parents knew this and still sent their children. I DON’T get IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    156. Carpe Noctem on October 3rd, 2006 4:12 pm

      The murdering raping lying
      Van der Sloots still infest
      ARUBA like roaches.

      Don’t go. Make your statement loudly by
      withholding your money.



      thank you


    157. dennisintn on October 3rd, 2006 7:20 pm

      #l46, arubaanse, you don’t need to be embarassed by anything anyone else says. they will have to pay their own bill.

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