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Joran Van der Sloot August 8, 2005 Statement
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Interesting..
He was informed once again that there are direct friends that have explained that he has crapped on friends and asked them to lie about sexual activities with a girlfriend of his friends. These boys say that he takes them always in the maling (?) and manipulates.
He was faced once again with the declaration of the girl Martina, who was given something to drink, offered at the sexual community with him and as a result of which her lips tingled.
The suspect did not react.
It’s amazing this person is out walking around, to harm someone else. How many other girls have been offered something to drink probably mixed with drugs.
Pardon me for posting again…
“Joran what are you doing here?” ” I didn’t think you would show up its so late.” “I couldn’t let you go home without apologizing for what happened before.” “I was such an asshole.” ” So I couldn’t let you go back home thinking about how badly I treated you on Aruba.” “After all it was your celebration, your graduation.” “I didn’t want you to remember any bad memories from your vacation here.” “Its really loud over here”. “Let’s go over to the other bar where it is not so noisy.” “So what are you going to do when you get home?” “I’m going to start college in the fall.” I’m going to premed.” “And you?” “I’m not to sure.” “I’ll probably start school in August.” “Let me get your address and I’ll write to you.” “I wish you a lot of luck in school.” “It’s almost closing time, let me buy you a drink.” “Thank you what is it.” “It’s 151, you have to drink it slowly.” “Joran its almost closing time and I really do not feel to good.” “My legs are a little wobbly.” “I’ll tell you what, I’m going to go back to our hotel, let me have my friends get us a cab.” “Thanks.” “Boy the way they listen to you, what are they your slaves?” “Well here we are, get in.” “The driver will get us back to the hotel in a few minutes.”…………….
Well; Joran, is this the way it went down? Is that how you got Natalee into Deepak’s cab? Deepak did you stop to tell everyone you hit the jackpot?
We know where you took her and what you did to her. Our problem is we don’t know what your father did with Natalee afterwards. So where is she? It would be a good of you to tell us before someone snuffs out your miserable excuse for an oxygen to carbon dioxide converter. (Someone else’s words but perfect.)
Was this your revenge for the three fights you almost got into with the MBHS grads over Natalee? Was this Geoffrey’s revenge for Natalee refusing his advances at C and C’s. What was it for you Michael and Andreas, were you two along for the ride? And you Koen; were you the virgin in the group and was Natalee going to be your first? We didn’t forget our gay buddy Guido. Did they try to make you straight that night? I almost forgot.
Deepak and Satish; an unconscious defenseless girl is the only way you will ever get sex. Satish you know what it means to see the ghost of someone you helped kill. It means the spirit will not rest until you too are a spirit and will never let you alone until that happens.
I can see from this line of questioning this case will never be solvedby Aruba’s finest. The entire interrogation is like a group of rank amateurs. Happy Birthday? Demands from the suspect? No response to the question of the shoe size? What a farce. Did his attorney give any reasonable account for the shoes?
“Happy Birthday” to the suspect: what a joke.
This Statement Makes It Official:
“Joran Is A Real Asshole”
What Is The Deal With The Size of The Shoes ?
There Must Have Been Foot-Prints Or Shoes
Found ? He Either Used Them To Mark The
Spot of The Temporary Grave or The Shoe
Story Was To Frame Deepak or Satish Since
Joran Asked Deepak To Go Back For The Shoes
In A Previous Statement -
I have been following this case here for almost a year on and off and have never actually commented. I commend everyone for keeping the case alive for justice for Natalee. I was just wondering, what size shoe does Paulus wear?
So exactly why, with all of the other leads manifest in this brief interrogation (like the reports of the girl Martina), were they so concerned about the shoes?
Only thing that I can think: they had found shoes somewhere and were trying to link them to this bozo. But here again, it seems that the question just dropped into Never-Neverland. Quite a jump in shoe size … and if these ones, some four sizes smaller, fit him OK, why would shoes of a much bigger size enter the picture to begin with?
Isn’t it sweet that they congratulated him on his birthday. “He smiled.” Probably in contempt. But then he looked at his lawyer when asked to take off his shoes.
And how touching that he is so concerned with how his case is playing out in the media. Psychopathic narcissism?
I wonder if “Martina” is one of the girls who talked to Beth Twitty….
Nora, we know that Joran is a lot bigger than his father, so I imagine the shoe size likewise is bigger. Don’t really know, though.
I’m wondering if anyone else in the “Pimps,” or elsewhere in Joran’s circle of acquaintances, wears size 14 shoes.
Is it possible that the police are trying to get him to implicate someone else, so that they can have a new avenue of interrogation? Once accusations start flying back and forth, there’s an incentive for people to start ratting on each other.
Whatever happened to Karina and her allegation she made against Joran? Guess she disappeared along with Julia Renfros gardner (who placed them all 3 out later than they said that night, spotted them by the pond) and the woman who said she heard Depak’s car (loud muffler) also much later then the boys said they were home. They all just vanish, along with other possible accomplices. Aruba, your corrupt Dutch justice system and government and police officials….. you screwed up big time. Aruba cared so little about one little American girl, they thought this would just blow over. Well now it has blown up in their collective corrupt faces.
The interrogator wished the suspect a Happy Birthday??
Way to break ‘em down, guys.
Nora good question. I wonder who was that old man that was sitting in the casino to Natalees left, you know on the tape on the last night Natalee was seen, then Natalee was never seen again?
I also was wondering how comfortable for Joran to slap his hand on the table, must be a learned reaction with authority, huh?
Freddy and friends looks like you are not off the hook? But don’t worry, there are alot of people who will keep you informed I am sure.
1906
Excellent post.
Aruba return Natalee Holloway to her family,
Nora, welcome#6.. that is a very good question..I wonder what size he wears..anyone?
1906- I think it went down something like that…what a freakin shame.
This PIG has raped how many girls???crazy. It was a stinking game to them…what big men they were. The only way to get a girl was to drug her. How pathetic.
#l, please tell me exactly what the first paragraph means.
imo, the dutch l.e. proved that jvds’ correct shoe size is l0 l/2. i think his telling everyone he’s larger than that is to throw suspicions away from him if a pair of l0 l/2 k swiss shoes are found in an incriminating circumstance.
dennisintn
MISS-u, At a black-Jack table you slap it when you want to get another card. You slap it hard if you want a FACE card. Lightly if you want a LOW card !!!!!!!!!!!
Kelmal
LOL seems like that anger management problem rearing its ugly head. Didn’t someone say that Joran had a problem with anger? Did Anita get her camera back? Why did they take Anitas camera? Why take a camera, maybe there is a tendency for the fellas to use cameras, huh?
Oh! I did not know that they were playing black jack during the interrogation. I suppose that was to help make the suspect feel more at home.
The INTENSE interrogation lasted approx. 1 1/2 hours. What a joke. Why didn’t they just put him in “time-out” facing the wall. Results would have been the same.
Dutch investigators:
Some names to get you started:
Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus, Steve Croes, Freddy, Koen, Michael, Andreas, Guido, Sander
Failure is not an option. The future of Aruba and your reputation rests on this case.
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE ANN HOLLOWAY
Joran also banged the hood of the police car during one of his beach walks.
Aruba will self destruct. Those who are trying to live an honest moral and ethical life will go down while the corrupted individuals running the show go hide and take all of their evil gains and nasty ways with them. The good people in Aruba should stand up against those who are defacing their land with corruption and lies. Making a stand for Natalee is making a stand for truth. The truth shall set you free and Aruba may SOMEDAY be able to stand tall again IF they see its terrible and lethal mistake and clear the snakes away. Justice 4 Natalee
Well, one thing is a given,Joran is a asshole! Now, as for the shoes, it would make sense for dipshit to wear a size 14 that night as to throw anyone off that may have either found shoes or foot prints at the site that Natalee supposedly was. This way he could say that he wears a 10.5 and the shoes or prints are size 14. This was a carefullt planned abduction and murder as this theroy would leavfe people to believe. What we need is a interogator like Sipowitz from NYPD blue to have a little talk with dipshit, and then we would have the truth!
Vicki, thanks for the welcome. I don’t know if it was a game to Joran (it seems obvious he likes to gamble). I wonder sometimes if it was more like a job. Acquisitions maybe?
Mike, I would love to see that! He would probably piddle!
just a couple of translation mistakes in the english text.
“Also his demands that the press and his lawyer is not correctly informed concerning interrogations, seemingly to put the policeforce in a angry light. In the press it was, as it happens, written that the lawyers got no time to speak with their client and that he asked that on his birthday of tomorrow to evening leaves was heard. the suspect did not awnser”
this part of the text is completly translated wrong. it’s also an important paragraph.
translation should have been:
“He was also asked why his lawyers did not correctly inform the press concerning the interrogations. Probably to make the police look bad. In the press it is written that the lawyers did not get any time to speak with the suspect. they also wrote that on his birthday, the suspect was interrogated from dusk till dawn. The suspect did not awnser.”
next paragraph (wich is also important)should have been:
“The suspect is again told that he explained he and the missing girl walked a bit. and he is told that they (the police force) have a declaration of someone who has seen Deepak Kaploe’s car a couple of hudreds of meters away from the fishermans hut. He is asked about the logic of some things and the is asked if he can explain why he and his friens where there. the suspect did not awnser”
the phrase:”These boys say that he alwas take them in the maling and manipulates” must been translated with this: “these boys say he always makes fun of them and manipulates them”
another really bad translated paragraph:
“the suspect was asked to take off his shoes. the suspect looked for support from his lawyer, they did not look at him however and he starts to write. he once again made an urgent requedst, with a slap on table”
this must have been:
“The suspect was asked to take off one of his shoes. The suspect looked at his lawyer for support, but he (the lawyer) was writing and did not look back. The suspect put his shoe, after an pressing request, with a loud bang on the table”
please try to make a good translation next time (dont use the online translation sites!). the most important phrases in the text have all been translated wrong.
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SM: Thank you. I hardly think the above are the most important statements though. (klaasend)
I agree with megashira, the translation ridicules the interrogators. They actually ask relevant questions, and are not at all friendly. They do for instance not congratulate him on a birthday but complain about his conduct to the media. They once and for all solve the shoe size question and make the suspect angry in doing so.
They are faced however with suspect who remains silent throughout.
ANY UPDATES ON THE WITNESS that Larry G. mentioned…Somone was talking????
What is the latest from Holland? When are they taking
over the investigations?
Thanks
It is decussing he has no reaction to anything. (Joran all your friends say you raped and killed Natalee! NO REACTION)
to him all he cares about is drinks laced with drugs and sex.. He must really be the ASSHOLE they say he is!!
What we have read, as always, is a summary of the interrogation, not the interrogation itself. In addition, the summary is wrongly translated, so we have no basis for judging if the questioning process was deficient or not.
_____________
SM: Whenever I feel uncomfortable with an area of the translation I add a question mark. This particular statement has also been translated by Rammstein (Dutch) a poster at BFN. Rammstein’s translation is posted in the forum under my translation. Mine really wasn’t that far off in meaning, IMO (klaasend)Â
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=385
Even if it is a summary, it should contain the most relevant points.
JFN
It also gives you a insite into the character of Joran.
MegaShira-elisabeth-SL-Gloria -
Klaas is doing a fantastic job with the translations
in that “The General Idea” or “The Gist” is being
publicized here –
But please – anyone who can point out inconsistencies
(without criticism of previous efforts) I would say:
go for it !
I keep asking the same thing Sharon in Chicago…I haven’t heard a thing about the Dutch investigation. The longer they put it off the closer they get to the two year mark where they can close the case…on their end that is. Won’t be closed on our end Aruba!
And to Mike, I think the whole thing was carefully planned out too. Joran’s statement that “they have done this 20 times before and nothing like this ever happened” pretty much says it all. They targeted Natalee.
I think they have drugged many girls, taken them out, raped them and dumped them somewhere. The girls are then too embarrassed or scared to come forward and say anything. Natalee is probably the first one who died from the whole ordeal…that we know of anyway.
WHEN WILL BE BE ABLE to listen to the interview that Beth did/or is doing in Holland?
We know that Clint van Zandt, on one of his MS-NBC commentaries (it’s still there, I suppose) said that his investigators had indeed discovered the existence of drug-and-rape gangs in the Caribbean.
However friendly or unfriendly one may think the interviewers/interrogators were, it remains a fact that to some of these questions JvdS gave no response. And they seem to have been content to leave it at that.
Sound like Jipshit liked to have sex with his friends girlfriends & manipulates though its not clear how he does that.
Can anyone find out who Jipshit was seeing for his anger management? It would be interesting how many mental health providers are available in Aruba. I’m suprised we haven’t heard of more outbursts from Jurine leading up to Natalee.
Is it true 2 bodies washed ashore yesterday? Anyone have info on that? I’m still wondering who that poor soul that was left in the landfill a couple of months ago and what the cause of the death was.
As for the shoes i still don’t have a clear picture as to what it means. Although i do believe the kidnapping & rape were premeditated i don’t see Jipwad walking arround in 101/2 size shoes to throw off police.
#15 kelmal-
So Those Are The “Hand Signals” Paulus & Joran Were
Using To Let Guido The Dealer Know Which Card They
Needed ?? I Wish I Had Known That When I Was There !
I Guess They Cheat At Black Jack AND Texas Hold’Em ??
——-
Sharon & Libby -
I have read that one Dutch Investigator is in Aruba
reviewing the Dossier – following that it will be
determined whether the remaining Investigators will
Continue ??
(if anyone has further info –
please feel free to correct me)
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=3894.0
Link to “Time for America to Get Tough with Aruba” in Meridian Star
Thanks for the update nychic
I haven’t heard of two bodies washing ashore…and I haven’t heard about the person they found in the landfill either.
Of course, if it is true, it is the victim’s fault ya know. I mean, they probably got drunk, drugged themselves, realized they didn’t have any condoms and threw themselves out to sea.
“Won’t be closed on our end Aruba!”
Libby, you are right! Closing the case will NOT make it go away.
If that happens, Americans will REALLY be outraged. Tourism will decline further.
And closing the case won’t make US go away. We will be even MORE determined to stand by Natalee.
BETH WILL BE ON TV TONITE…Nancy Grace 9pm for all of those that didnt know.
___________
SM: I thought she was going to be on tomorrow night? Today is Wednesday right? (klaasend)
oops i meant size 14
Wonder if the 1 Dutch investigator is bunking the the Van Der Scum house.
Whatever Happened To:
“We Have WAYS To Make You Talk…”
Joran and his Addam’s Family Values.
Actually even lower than the Addam’s family. At least
the Addam’s Family was freaky, but entertaining. Unlike
his pedophile of a raping, murdering, gutless father. IMO -
Joran one thing is for sure, you will eventually get
all of the things coming to you, and only you know wxactly what you have done, and everything that will be coming.
…and maybe your friends who you seem to treat as a
radioactive toxic waste dumping ground.
Mayan
They already got Anita’s camera, but why did they take it anyway. All the things in that house they took the camera (they = ALE). So I am wondering, if it was digital can you go back and go to a hard drive, like a computer, and recover what was deleted? That’s why I wondered if Anita got her camera back and why her camera, you’d think she’d take it to the family wedding she was at without her husband. Oh and that remark about that wouldn’t happened if Anita was home?
Who is that old man sitting next to Natalee on Natalee’s left in the casino at the same table that Joran was at, on the last night that was ever seen again?
#32, nychic.
You are right, Klaas is doing an admirable job, and honestly, I didn’t mean to be critical of her efforts with my above comment.
My apologies to you Klass. I appreciate very much that I’m able to keep up with developments thanks to the work that you and the rest of the SM team dedicate.
When was the first time the subject of the shoes arose?
Seems to me that Joran told them he wore a size 14 for a reason and logically that reason would have had something to do with questions about a different shoe size. If the investigators were asking questions about a size 10 to 11 shoe, I can see Joran trying to distance himself from that evidence by saying he wore a much larger size.
There is something very curious about all the shoe talk.
A portrait of a slimebag.
Joran Van der Rape
8/2006
http://tinyurl.com/z7r9q
Miss-Underestimated, you darn right they can get those digital pics off that hard drive. It makes my skin crawl just thining what all the hard drive contains.
Forgive my typos please…..hope i made sense up there, i’m just alittle upset with the latest pic stills Carpe put on the board yesterday.
Carpe has done such a good job on these stills.
They are difficult to look at but we want the truth in all its uglyness to be revealed so someone somewhere will take these thugs out.
I HATE YOU ARUBA
Good God can you believe this shit? Pics taken with Anita’s camera, what are they gonna do, put the pics of what was done to Natalee in their family albums??? With 2 other boys in that house i can only guess how they are going to turn out.
Klass you are much appreciated!
Mayan
Carpe does a great job, I just hope the right people are looking at those photos,
Aruba bring Natalee home to her family.
remember when dpig said that he thought if they found the body that they would find the shoes too? maybe they have already found the body and the shoes and disposed of them.
it’s almost as if he knew already!
MISS-u, His name is George West !!!
justice, HOW can tourism decline any further ??? We are doing EVERYTHING possible now to boycott Aruba. There is NOTHING more to do !!!!
sharon, Nothing yet from Larry G. I’m NOT surprised!!
Sharon Chicago,
Debbie at BFN thinks that Beth’s interview in Holland will be aired today.
Sorry,Klaas..I was pushing the envelope, I want to hear and see she is alright.:}
I missed Carpe’s photos yesterday. Which post are they on?
vicki, She had nothing to worry about in holland. It would be a different story if she went to Aruba. That is why she doesn’t go there .
Aruba…Holland…same thing as far as I am concerned. Holland was part of the cover up too.
kelmal -
in my post #37 – I forgot to ask:
Do You Have To Know “The Secret Handshake”
Before You Can Use Those Hand Signals With Guido ?
If Paulus Will Not Share This Info –
Would He or Joran Help Me Win My Money Back
That I Lost In The Aruban Casinos ?
nychic, ALL blackjack players do that in ALL casinos. Say you get 11 and you are doubling down. You hit the table HARD to get your 10. It is just for LUCK. Like say you have 16 and need a 5. You just lightly tap the table to get your 5.
I don’t think they will help you but if you want I will meet you down there and I will help you. Let me know. I do owe you a dinner also. Lu Ya
kel -
With Guido and Mr. Posner gone from Aruba
Do You Think We Will Still Be Able To Cheat
And “Take” The Casino ?
I Want The Deed To That Dump !
nychic, NOBODY cheats in the casino and gets away with it !!!!!!!!! A casino is a GOLD mine. If you get the deed let me know and I will go halfsies with you. We would make a great team !!!!!!
didn’t you just say you could determine what card
you wanted in Aruba just by the way you slap the
table ???
I was getting my hopes up that I could hit on
all of those 13′s no matter what Guido was showing !
are you saying this is not so ?
i’m so confused ?
JoranVanDerSloot drugged, kidnapped, raped and murdered Natalee Holloway by all legal standards. The Aruban coverup team may see it as an innocent ‘boys will be boys’ looking for sex with the naive tourist girls but ‘Something Bad Happened’ with Natalee. Boys will be Boys and sometimes they screwup.
That’s how they justify their actions and feel no remorse. They are laying low now waiting for this to pass over so they can take up where they left off.
Natalee’s mistake was she couldn’t handle the deadly cocktail these ‘boys’ were used to giving their victims and she died. So to save their own, they just trashed her.
What a bunch of clowns! All the rhetoric bullshit reminds me of a bunch of circus performers. Wishing the murdering perv a happy birthday? How professional is that? I’m surprised they didn’t have a cake with candles for him to blow out. The Aruban police have helped the Vandersloots turn the lip licking, neanderthal into the monster he is. They should crown him the king of Aruba and be done with it. I say set Aruba adrift!!
WE WANT JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!!
As for them wishing him Happy Birthday ? They could have said it to him like I would have with the same look on my face that I would get in the presence of the Birthday Boy.
And I can guarantee you, you don’t want to see that look.
Joran had just shut right up by the time they got their specialists in from Holland.
Something I noticed is that Satish showed the police the route ( for the fake HI story ). Then, he tells Deepak, so they are on the same page. then 24 hours later, the two K’s tell Joran, so he comes on board ! !
They had 24 hours to transmit all this to Joran. What a bunch of bozos the ALE are ! !
The murdering raping predatory tag team father and son
duo… THE VAN DER SLOOTS. The disgust for these maggots,
overflowing.
Still roaming the streets murdering, raping, destroying
young girl’s lives at free will… even now, over a year later. Screw the murdering raping lowlife Van der Sloots, I am sure someone will have a solution for them in the near future.
Justice 4 Natalee
All I have heard is bullshit from Aruba and the Dutch. The damn most stupid coverup, like damn kids even in charge of the coverup. Could they not have gotten at least some kind of believable. Everybody witholding info that would have put the boys away. (at least 3 girls raped by Joran) I am fed up with their stupid asses. If they don’t start making some sense out of this mess, I just don’t know what I am going to do. To start with maybe start listing yheir pedifile site out of Aruba. Think I will do that tonight before you take it down.
to Carpe,
Big problem with the plastic bag being held under water with the bag of weights in the picture. Similar problem to my pickup when I ask the mechanic what was wrong.He replied “It don’t work.”
The problem is hard to explain, but easy to demonstrate. Take a Wal Mart bag, cut the handles off, put a spoon in it, and try to submerge it. Don’t do anything to the bag that is not done to the bag you have taken so many pictures of. Add another spoon on top as a weight, and see what happens.
I think the plastic is a sheet of plastic. You can cut all the sides out of a sack and make a sheet if you like.
I think you will come to the same conclusions I have come to. If the plastic and what is inside was submerged then we need to look for something else. Do anything you want to the plastic and tell me how to make it sink.
kat, i think you might be right about the birthday wishes.
probably pure sarcasm, and aren’t you going to have just the best birthday party in here. that sort of thing. these were the dutch interrogators, i think, and from what i’ve read, they had no good feelings or respect for jvds at all.
dennisintn
if i remember correctly, word was leaking out that the 3 of them were about to break just before katrina hit, they had that hurry up court deal early and let them out early, i think more to keep them from breaking than because of the news blackout because of katrina.
dennisintn
18 USC 2257 Compliance Notice
Investments AVV, Sampson Sta. Cruz 62A, Sta. Cruz Aruba, Dutch West Indies. 599.97367181. R. Blabolil Custodian of Records ICS Entertainment, …
if that was my daughter and they made me look in the refuge dump for her remains; someone else would …..
Is she Natalee? You can’t tell who the apparent
victim is… or the participants. ( yes, plural )
To anyone interested in crime &
computer imaging forensics:
I think one of the Aru-Bay videos may very well
hold the secrets needed to put these heinously wicked
Aruban-Dutch fecal knots
away for some years.
Chicago 24 ( 510-24 ) has “keys” undiscovered to
the naked eye while viewing at regular speed.
However, when broken down for frame by frame
analysis and cleaning… a whole new
visual world is opens up
and it awaits
your discovery.
Just make sure you don’t eat before you
work on it. These fothermuckers make me
want to projectile vomit.
Oh boys,
you may want to put in a call to
God with your remaining free cellphone
minutes. IMO He’s about the only
entity left that would be willing
to accept your call.
BOYCOTT ARUBA IN TO THE DIRT
NO VAN DER SLOOT – NO JUSTICE
J4N
No color inversion
http://tinyurl.com/obar7
Color inversion
http://tinyurl.com/rj43q
Right, I hear you on that Waterboy-Jerry.
Two things.
1. I don’t believe I ever made the claim that she was
submerged under water in a plastic sheet or bag. If
I did, my brain let one slip, sorry.
also-
2. A large plastic bag was discovered washed up many moons
ago. See entry #253 on the following graphic.
http://tinyurl.com/qm8my
-J4N-
BOYCOTT ARUBA
I just thought of an idea for a
new tourist greeting card.
“I left my heart in Can-o-Sh1thole, Aruba.”
( open it up )
and a big springy paper
toilet lid pops open!
J4N
http://tinyurl.com/h85b6
carpe -
I thought I saved that beautiful work of art
by Klaas “The Aruba Can-o-Shito ?
Maybe she will post it again for us !
———
Waterboy-
I was the one who said the plastic bag
had been submerged in water and I am
sorry but I do not agree with your logic -
If you put enough weight inside and outside
of the bag – it will sink – not only that
check out the water rats swimming around
in the bag when you watch the video -
I think Joran was desperately trying to
get into contact with Sander or Koen to
use the boat – until Paulus took over -
and that bag was placed in the salt water
to avoid detection -
and for anyone who thinks there is nothing
in that plastic bag – why are the rats in there ?
do I have to spell it out ?
carpe, are you kidding me? You have stated time and time again that it is Natalee in the bag (I could quote you 20 times if you’d like). Now you are saying you can’t tell who the apparent victim is? You have many followers and an explaination of your 180 turn would be in order.
nychic – I told you the bag was never underwater, but you’d rather go against anything I say rather than using logic. haha
on a side note carpe – da gimp is da bomb.easier and almost as powerfull as ps,imo.i use it all the time.when i fired a shot at it and you fired back,i knew…
#27 Sharon Chicago – It’s now comming up on 3 weeks and no sign of Garrison’s person that is talking. I think we have another Rob on our hands…
I know that you are supposed to record everything during a deposition, BUT it sounds really ridiculous to read a birthday greeting and response in an ‘official’ document. Just ‘retarded’.
I hope the Dutch will do something about this case. However, nearly all the guilty pimps are Dutch and the Dutch are known for their sleeze, prostitution, and now, pedofile political party.
God help us. We really need it. May justice for Natalee come suddenly.
molly (in Houston)
yoyo -
could you possibly provide your evidence or
an explanation of how you are so sure that
what you say is fact ?
I gave my opinion – upon your request -
The Evidence Is Right In The Video -
or are you basing your statement on
Waterboy’s Wal-Mart Bag/Spoon experiment ?
To nychic,
Okay,
I got the bag to sink also. But, I had to twist it very tight around the spoon, and punch holes in the plastic. When I let it go, the edges floated up, and every time I would tuck them in, they floated up again. Maybe they (the killers) tried to sink the bag, and it kept floating up. They finally gave up and put it where it was in the video. As far as weighting it down enough, inside and out. That would work. Maybe it had rocks inside, and when they took it out of the water, they tossed the rocks, but I don’t think there are any rocks or weights in the bag, sheet, when the video was taken. I don’t see any tears to let the air out, but if there are rats then there must be tears or holes or cuts. (by water rat what do you mean? Now jack rabbit, I understand. Rattle snake, skunk, feral hog–these have meaning to me, but I don’t know water rat. Is that just a regular old barn rat?
One way to sink it would be to wrap it up with rope, and tie enough weights to counterbalance the flotation. A weight belt around the middle of the bag, pulling all the loose ends together under the belt would work , but we don’t see a weight belt either. Do we know any scuba divers? Also, do we know any certified cave divers?
The weight bag, now there is something the fishermen need to be questioned about. They may be missing plastic also, like maybe something they covered their boat with to keep rain out when it is docked. It would be easier than turning the boat upside down.
Do you see where I’m going Nychic? I’m not saying it wasn’t under water. I’m just saying there are more complications with that idea than meet the eye. It is not going to be kept under water with one bag of weights—well maybe, if wrapped, twisted, duck taped etc.
Also, one thing I’m thinking about is the possibility that the water we are looking at below the bag, may not be there during low tide. I don’t know about that one. If it is a tidal pool, this is a possibility. I don’t think there is much difference between high and low tide in Aruba (15th. parallel.) The best I can tell is that there is only 18 inches difference. The water may not be any more than 18 inches deep. I can’t tell. I think the early morning of May 30 was low tide. The bag may have been buried on dry land. High tide may have floated the bag. The three would be continually monitoring the situation. Maybe that is what they were waiting for– high tide, when the gardner saw them. No one has any questions about the gardner? Why? Sorry, I was asleep, and dreaming. My mind is going ninety to nothing right now. Well, anyway. I meant to explain with another post, but got too tired. My wife’s german shepherd woke me up. (90 lbs of knot head puppy.)
To Carpe,
I couldn’t remember if you thought the bag was under water or not, and I for one have perceived that you’re not sure about the identify of the body (bodies) in the bag. The whole thing is a mind twister. The trolls don’t bite it much, so I don’t know. Aruba is one Scary island. That is with a capital S.
to 1906,
Trolls do bite the cremation idea, and the Weever lady idea, and the headless guy, and the Lion’s den–don’t they? Let’s go where the fishing is good some time soon. Who knows what we might catch. The trolls are going to have trouble with that one–cause they don’t know–if the remote viewer (as I’ve said, not me) is watching or not ( I will explain at some point). Remember in the first Dirty Harry? The trolls are saying, “I just got to know, man.”
It’s also possible, of course, that the birthday remark was made just as a casual pleasantry to get the conversation going. But what really bugs me is the references to the camera … its use and significance were never followed up on, so far as I know.
Wasn’t there talk, either by ALE or Joran, that he was being interrogated TEN hours a day?!
Was that also a lie?
yo –
you seem to get your facts wrong a bunch.
1.
I believe that Natalee was in the bag.
Along with other body parts. No changes here.
2.
I never said they dumped her IN IT at sea,
They could have absolutely given her a sea burial
in it though. Holes in it at the ends as everyone can see.
( 510-24 basin video )
Placed inside a fish trap and loaded with enough weights.
The sinking thing, not an issue.
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The only 180′s here on this board
would be u and that D 4 B
Hollowhead Hollander, Kelmal.
“and dot is DE TROOF” -JVDS
I read the interragation as posted here in Dutch. The translation isn’t correct!! If someone needs any help with this let me know.
Further it’s clear that this isn’t the total investigation. It’s just a short segment. This is very common. I would really like to see the other statements.
Crew (dutch)
Picking up at the second page:
They asked the suspect why his lawyers informed the press incorrectly by saying that they diden’t get acces to their client because of on goin interreations on his birthday. The police states that this isn’t correct. The suspect does not answer.
They read the suspect his earlier statement about the walk he made with the victim and other statements from people who saw the car nearby fishermanns cabin. Then they asked the suspect if he is able to explain the logica in this earlier statement ass well ass if he can explain what he and the other boy where doing there. The suspect does not answer.
The suspect is pointed on earlier statements of his best friends who stated that he made a laugh out off them by lying and that he sleeped with the girlfriend off one of his best friends. The friends stated that he is always kidding them and that the suspect is manipulative towards them. The suspect is alsoo reminded off the statement from a girl named ‘Martina’ who told the police that she was offerded a drink before having sex with the suspect. Martina stated that the drink made her lips tingled.
The suspect doesn’t react to this facts.
After this the suspect is asked to explain the time-lapses in the statements as given by him and the other suspects. The suspect does not answer.
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The shoe story is sort of correct..
So is the interragation as done in dutch if you ask me.
#92, crew, we would also like to see the rest of the interrogations. deputy chief dompig said it would take two days to go over all the different versions of jvds’ statements. each of which jvds stated was true.
dennisintn
Carpe #79 – “Is she Natalee? You can’t tell who the apparent victim is… or participants(yes, plural).”
Yeah, I got my facts wrong – not.
You find that face on mars yet?
to Waterboy-
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Rodents
There are more than 3,000 species of rodents throughout the world today. It is estimated that rodents make up more than a third of all living mammal species. Most people are familiar with terrestrial rodents but, believe it or not, rodents inhabit just about every environment on the planet. Some live in burrows in the ground while others have the ability to fly from tree to tree with ease. Some are aquatic, while others are arboreal. No matter where they live, even in the water, rodents are adapted to all terrestrial habitats and all have the same general characteristics.
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someone else has had to have seen the rats in the
video – ??
also – IMO…
this is stagnate pond water – so there is no high
or low tide in this area -
all we see is one of the weight bags – there could
be others – it appears to be a small sandbag -
maybe used for sports equipment ?
the plastic to me looks like the type of sheet
plastic painters use to protect furniture/floors
so add 100+ lbs inside and a couple of weights
on the outside and I am pretty sure it will
hold under water – it also appears to be twisted up -
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once again – if you don’t believe me – I invite you
to visit NYC and go with me to walk my dog – there
is a dog park which runs along the East River –
my dog goes crazy when he sees those water rats -
if you do not want to be doped and raped?
avoid Aruba, avoid discos, cafes etc. in Holland
You find that face on mars yet?
Comment by yoyo muffintop | September
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Nope. …but you’re are still a dildo, with jokes
that are really lame.