RSSNatalee Holloway; June 28, 2005
“Here’s a different perspective on the Natalee Holloway disappearance;”.
Many have wondered what the fascination has been revolving around the Natalee Holloway disappearance. Far too many people have taken a negative approach, that there are others out there who are missing that do not get the recognition so why should Natalee? There are other venues for missing people. However, what separates this case from many others is not only the fact that a teenage girl went missing without a trace but also the international aspect of the event in an island paradise where all that go assume complete safety. The majority of people though have seen and been debating the many issues of this situation including family and friends feelings, economic impact, investigative procedures, Dutch law and mostly theories of how could such and event have ever occurred
People in Aruba as expressed on our message boards and in emails have stated although the pray for the safe return of Natalee Holloway and peace for her family, they also understandably are worried for their island. They fear the negative media attention will affect their economy. It seems as though the Dutch and immigrants are now weighing in. This morning in The Birmingham News, “Immigrants feel pressure from Aruba case,” is just another example of that very feeling and the International ramifications of missing teen, Natalee Holloway.
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) — The disappearance of an Alabama teenager in Aruba is bringing attention to the Caribbean island at a time when the Aruban community in the Netherlands already is under scrutiny by the Dutch government.
Dutch media paid scant attention to Natalee Holloway’s disappearance until the arrest last week of Paul van der Sloot, the Dutch father of one of the suspects and a senior legal official who is training to become a judge. Van der Sloot was released on Sunday.
But Arubans here have been following the news closely. Their concern is that the case could precipitate a sharp decline in tourism to the tropical island off the Venezuelan coast — a Dutch protectorate — resulting in economic hardship and spurring a wave of migration to Holland, at just the wrong time for the 120,000 immigrants already here.
Whether Aruba understands it or not and I am sure they do; the eyes of the world are upon them and most noticeably those in America. The perception of what is and is not being done to investigate the vanishing of Natalee Holloway will have ramifications throughout the US. Some media have already taken the approach to boycott Aruba; however, personally at the point it was done was far too soon for any purpose other than for self-serving ratings.
This is a rather interesting read to see the other side of a scenario from an Aruban and Dutch perspective. It would appear that the Natalee Holloway disappearance may have exasperated some already existing issues that were present in Aruba.
“Everyone is talking a lot about it,” said Henry Breeveld, the director of a Rotterdam welfare organization for Antilles and Aruba immigrants.
In an effort to curb crime and unemployment, the Dutch government has proposed deporting young people from the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba who neither have jobs nor are in school.
“People come to Holland whenever the economy is bad or when they feel insecure,” Breeveld said.
The government proposal, which came before Holloway’s disappearance, faces legal challenges because people from the islands — former colonies that remain part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands — are Dutch citizens. Islanders say the move is discriminatory and have vowed to fight it in court.
In an effort to curb crime? Hmm. The plan that they refer to that would attempt to handle such problems is as follows:
“young immigrants would have three months to find a job, enroll in studies or return home”.
For a truly interesting read, please read the full story here.
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95 Responses to “Natalee Holloway; June 28, 2005”
I’m the first here – well that’s nice
About this story – the govt of the Netherlands has also stated that Arubans are not the problem but cannot exclude us while apply this measure to only the Antilleans.
Why is this relevant to Natalee? Absolutely nothing!
Once again, see http://www.dps.state.al.us/public/abi/system/missing/children.asp
Americans don’t seems to get the message: All of this publicity leaves a very negative impression on *the US* To people elsewere in he world this confirms the impression which already exists there, which is: self-rightious Americans are all too ready to criticize others, while at the same time they totally ignore the problems which do exist in their own country. Face up to it guys: despite of what happened Aruba is *far* safer than Birmingham, Alabama; just take a look at the link above
Tell that to Natalee Holloway.
thank you, Jan! our Aruban Barbie appears far more meaningful to Americans than the fact that we’re spending $200 million per day in Iraq. moreover, why wouldn’t people look for greattravel deals to Aruba? the Aruba Grand Beach Resort is really nice, beautiful view of the ocean fron the rooms… a swimming pool you can do laps in! and a DUNKIN’ DONUTS across the street.
DUNKIN’ DONUTS across the street??? Oh, man! Do they sell hot coffee, too?
Arubans are not Antillians. Different political system in relation to Netherlands.
Antillians -Curacao people- seem to be much more criminal than other groups in Netherlands. There was a time Curacao sent their criminals to Netherlnads instead of putting them into jail.
About the discrimination: When a Dutch person wants to go and live and work on the Antilles its been made almost impossible. So the discrimination was always there, only other way around.
What did you want to say with this post, as in relation to Natalee?
Yolande, where are you from ?
Hey guys of scare monkeys, with your comment on this articles you disappoint me. I realise that you guys does not know all about this story. I live in Holland and I’m a Arubian and I know all about this. Such as Yliana said the problem here are the Antilleans NOT Arubians. But because we are all colony of Holland they do as if we are all one community. This will be as if all mexican people are not high educated and all over the world people believe that Americans are also not high educated because they are neighbours. (if is only a example!) This is not true, you Americans would say…we are only neighours!!! So is how we Arubians feel about this matter
Im from Netherlands. Not especially fond of my own country but when I read what people overhere write about my country I just cannot believe it.
Anything new on Natalee?
Peter, whay would you think this issue of Aruba and Holland would have anything to do with Natalee?
Just admit that we focus on this case because
1) Fox News, CNN, etc. cover this story. If Fox News doesn’t cover this story, no one would talk about Natalee Holloway.
2) Natalee is a beautiful woman. She’s white and rich.
3) Natalee’s family knows how to “use” the media. The family is rich, they have connections with ‘Washington’.
4) The mystery: we love mysterious cases. A tiny island, son of a judge, different judical system, etc. We are tired of Iraq, we are tired of Gitmo. Patriot Act: who cares? We want personal stories, we love Oprah Winfrey-television, we want a happy end.
5) It’s eh…entertaining. I hope Natalee is alive, I think this is terrible for the family, but I have to admit this is very “entertaining”, you know what I mean? Exciting theories, tropical island, posting comments on blogs, finding the latest info, discussing the differences between the American and the Dutch system, etc.
I don’t believe I ever said that I understand the issues between Aruba noer Holland. In fact, I never mentioned it.
Hi Yliana-anything new on the search area?
Jack, to be honest. I hope dearly Natalee will be found. My heart goes out to her [and any missing child or person] But why I do keep coming back to this board is because it upsets me to see how bad many people [Americans] think about Aruba, the investigation, the Dutch law.
I also feel sorry there are Dutch trolls around here. They dont do much good in this case
Peter – what was your post about then at 11:26
Jack – i agree, we like the story because it is easy to gossip about and the media is covering it.
Yolanda wrote: About the discrimination: When a Dutch person wants to go and live and work on the Antilles its been made almost impossible. So the discrimination was always there, only other way around
**You forgot about the “inburgerings cursus” even for arubians who MUST (don’t have other choice) learn Dutch from 1ste grade only because they are a colony of Holland? Talking about discrimination.
I follow this story out of concern for a young girl who is missing, out of empathy for my fellow southerners and Americans, and out of desire to learn more about Aruba than the travel brochures would give me. It’s not a flattering picture thus far.
S: You are jaded and flat-out wrong.
Jack: I don’t think that Natallee’s family is using the media. However, i do think that they have kept this story in the press by their perserverence and determination. There have been days when there was no coverage on this matter. I think it is a case of parents (whom I do not consider to be very wealthy) doing whatever it takes to solve an apparent crime. God bles them.
I respectfully disagree with you that it is entertaining. However, I am following the story because the circumstantial facts demand closure; closure for Aruba, the family, and society. Anything less will be heartbreaking.
Harp, I dont think Antilles or Aruba are still a colony of Netherlands. The islands had a choice to go on on their own but they choose to keep a relationship.
Of course in the past they were colonies .. and I dont think the Dutch are proud of that colonial past.
All I can say is that after seeing this happen, I have realized that I will NOT be taking my family to Aruba on vacation. Obviously there are more issues/crime then they are reporting. The other “paradise” locations, you know and it is very clear about how much crime is in the area…and if it is a bad crime location, you are told…stay within the tourist area.
And honestly it has nothing to do with an american girl or “barbie” as some of you have put it missing. It just makes me think….what if I was to take my family which consist of a 9 year old and 4 year old…..but what if I take them and one of them get lost in Aruba……this is the kind of governement I will have to work with. One that tries to push it under the carpet and act like it is the “perfect paradise location”.
Hi Larry – glad to see you switched threads too. There were so many bad words that I couldn’t get on anymore – it got blocked by my server at work.
I haven’t heard of any developments yet on the Equu search team I expect to hear something if at all at noon time for the news
there are seedy underbellies to every city/country that you go to. of course that’s not going to be advertised and they always hope people will forget.
just finding nh, period, is all i think any of us want to happen. even if they can’t hang these boys for it, i just want her found. and i think bth and the rest of her family feel the same.
did any of you notice on greta last night when bth said ‘nh’s family’…like she wasn’t included. that’s when i knew she was exhausted and just wanted this to be over.
Yliana,
If you mean the rely on this board, that was for Jan, who self-righteously points out that Aruba is FAR safer than Birmingham, AL.
My point is that Natalee Holloway has been the victim of a crime in Aruba. If she had been in Birmingham, Alabama she’d probably be home with her parents.
Therefore, go tell Natalee Holloway how safe Aruba is. I don’t think she’d believe you.
Jan.. sure there is crime in Bham AL, just like all over the rest of the US. But mostly those are your normal everyday criminals or killings not one that involves a group of young people with ones day being part of the judicial system in a story that looks like a coverup and that something much more sinister is going on. I will be the first to admit theres alot goes on here in my country that I am concerned with and that doesn’t get handled right. But doesn’t it kind of make your skin crawl and creep you out to think of what might have happened to this girl and what she might have went thru? All cases that have this same kind of storyline of what the speculations of what happened makes me feel the world is getting to be alot more unsafe all over the world not just in Aruba or the US but EVERYWHERE. People have lost their freaken mind, morals and anything else that has to do with being able to drug, rape, kill,torture another human being and there not be justice done or a means for justice to prevail.
that is ones “dad.. not day” sorry
of course, Jack…. and Fox is making $4,400,000 (that’s $550,000 per 30 seconds x eight spots) in advertising when Greta and O’RIley talk about our Aruban Barbie and their narcissitic family.
now, on a much more uplifting note, you can get a flight from San Jose, California, 2 weeks in at the Brickell Beach Club in Aruba, all for $2,000, PLUS your chances of hopping into a car with 2 strangers and sucking face with another one of are very, very slim.
I think why Americans think Aruban police isnt doing enough is because they dont give a lot of info. Thats usually the case in Netherlands too. But this doesnt mean police is not working hard on this case. I think they are doing an extra effort since Aruba isnt used to this sort of crime.
IndDayLady,
Agreed. “Not flattering” is an understatement.
Singlemomo – we passed that narrow-minded manner of thinking long ago. We are now concentrating on Natalee, not pointing fingers, especially nobody is without fault, including the mighty US of A.
Wow, that was a lot of scrolling to get here! Can anyone translate this, please? I tried several diff lang but cannot get anything too accurate:
ken por bisami kwa te a site di vigilante
tin hende riba e site aki
mi kier sa vigilante a bai falliet
majen ta den lambiance bo tin ku ta champagne v/s pegasaya falta uni dai so mas
Hey guys – if anything big comes up can u post it in CAPS so I can find it quicky? My boss came back from vacation and I actually gotta “work.” TY!
This has nothing to do with the Holloway case! This is only because some people in Holland are very negative towards strangers: immigrants, fugitives, and people from former colonies as well. They’re scared because of their jobs, their houses and their way of living being changed. The minister of Integration wants to show some drive like the pushy woman she is, in order to survive politically, by bringing up plans like banning Antillean jobless, uneducated and unsupervised youths from the country, but it doesn’t make sense and it won’t help either.
It’s true the minister of Justice, Donner, offered help to restore the image of Aruba, but that had to do with different views on gay marriages, something Aruba sees differently compared to the Dutch. As we are in one kingdom it is strange there are two types of law on that case, that’s the only reason.
I want to state Aruba is a wonderful island to vacation. I lived there for many years and had a great time. The Aruban people are friendly, hospitable and helpful, they really make you feel at home. The climate is great, as are the beaches and nature. I don’t understand why you should consider Aruba a dangerous place, full of lurking criminals, now this tragedy is unfolding over there. Isn’t it bad enough in itself?
Are you guys all in here now?
Chances are greater of something happening in NYC then Aruba, but I still go there, every chance I get. And I would go to Aruba too. There is no PLASTIC BUBBLE safe place left in the world, probably never was.
I think it is more the way this case is being handled then the actual crime rate in Aruba.
let’s just hope there is a resolution soon for everyone involved………….
Wow, this is much better. It feels like when you are in a department store, and there is only one register opened with 70 people in line, and all of a sudden they open a couple more registers!!!! right?
S-
Incredible! Congradulations. You have know become the most hated person on this page. Oh yea and you are an ass.
Jake, the turtle and the hare are crossing the road now, know what I’m saying.
Yoland said: Harp, I dont think Antilles or Aruba are still a colony of Netherlands. The islands had a choice to go on on their own but they choose to keep a relationship.
**According to the laws they still are. And yes they do have a choice which is pure theoritical, because they made it VERY difficult from Aruba to get his “status aparte” and thing are not so simple as they seem.
S: If you wait around you will see those prices plummet. Supply and demand my friend, and there will surely be an abundant supply if this fiasco is not resolved.
I think she was fucking around as usual, got drunk and went to another island. She doesn’t know yet she left Aruba.
EDIE who is the most hated person?
Where is SImian today?
crs-reciept found, item returned!!!
I think the Arubans have mistakenly assumed that as long as Natalee is “missing” that the case goes unresolved and tourism will continue because people will think she is alive somewhere. I do think they willfully avoided any search or seizure for 11 days to avoid finding evidence. I do not know if they have searched the internet cafe’s pcs for evidence of email or chats by Deepak. There may be other places like the Tattoo boat or boats used for ferrying passengers that they should search for forensic evidence. But would they have to send everything to Holland?
I do think that if this crime is not solved, that Americans will avoid the island of Aruba, especially if they are young or have children traveling with them. For tourism, not finding Natalee or her remains will be a much bigger problem than her disappearance, because it will show how inept their law enforcement is.
Jake, the reciept is best damn theory anyone has developed in four weeks!!
Yliana,
First of all it isn’t narrow minded thinking. It is the truth and I was expressing my opinion…just like you have expressed yours.
oh btw: I am sure your boss is proud he has a hard worker! and not one that plays on the internet wasting company money.
The other room got too disgusting
Yliana- thank you for keeping me posted……I have a feeling today will be the day something major will happen
Rachael-
s
Roll Call:
Are all of my friends here? Yeah if you are!
Horray Katcall is finally here!
Edie-you started off with a small e, now you have a capital E..any reason for the change?
ken por bisami kwa te a site di vigilante = who can tell me which is the site of the ‘vigilante’
tin hende riba e site aki = there are people on this site
mi kier sa vigilante a bai falliet – I want to know if ‘vigilante’ went bankrupt
majen ta den lambiance bo tin ku ta champagne v/s pegasaya falta uni dai so mas = tomorrow in Lambinace : you have champagne vs. pegasaya, 2 more days left
doubt it has anything to do with any of this
Why are all the Natalle bashers on here today?
I wonder if there have been any other people come forward with information other than Croes? SOMEONE had to see something somewhere at some time! This small of an island people also talk and boast about things they have done and seen. What are Sunday nights on Aruba like…are they like any other night ?
jake-he grew up.
Too much coffee!!! Before long It will all be in caps
Edie, just some ignorant people who have yet to find themselves as victims.
pk-
he is a she
Yolande,
You keep stating the same thing, over and over. Letting suspects go, allowing them to possibly dispose of the evidence of their crime IS NOT good police work. These guys are amateurs. The cops, as well as the crooks. And from what is being reportd, Aruba isn’t used to this sort of crime, at least not the publicity. If that is the case, the Aruban authorities should suck back their pride and request the HANDS ON assistance of people that DO KNOW how to handle punks like Joran. He would be a pushover for the FBI behavioral people.
These people need to grow up and get a life they are all self-centered and cold hearted
Yli have you been a victim of some kind on the island at some point?
Country, can you give an indication of whether the family knows about this mornings post regarding chief of police possible godfather of JVDS?
Maybe I should change the name I am always mistaken for a man.
Why if other people have been questioned has the MSM not reported this.
Aruba was a major dissapointment to me. Casino’s are everywhere(puerto rico, bahamas, St. Martin, bermuda, etc.) so thats no reason to go there. The beaches are mediocre at best. They dont even make the top 20 lists of best beaches on island paradises. And the main attraction there is a jeep ride to a donkey preserve.
Yolande,
You keep stating the same thing, over and over. Letting suspects go, allowing them to possibly dispose of the evidence of their crime IS NOT good police work. These guys are amateurs. The cops, as well as the crooks. And from what is being reportd, Aruba isn’t used to this sort of crime, at least not the publicity. If that is the case, the Aruban authorities should suck back their pride and request the HANDS ON assistance of people that DO KNOW how to handle punks like Joran. He would be a pushover for the FBI behavioral people.
Larry:
Why do you think there something ‘major’ happening today? You know something I don’t?
Harp, they did have a choice to go on on their own. But preferred the backup of Netherlands.
Edie-your a girl!!! Like me!!
As I was saying @ 1195-
What happened to the Diario correspondent who was following a vessel trying to remove a “group” from Aruba to the mainland? He called into Fox live. His name was Hubert, I believe. His name is on the Diario’s website.
Any ideas??
Peter—- Or Tony Soprano
Hope – Sunday night are usually people out to the movies, cafes etc. Not many clubs allthat happening. except C&C, Cafe Bahia en Mambo Jambo since they’re closer to the ports for the cruise ships
Big Pappy~I have nothing more to say to you as of now I am just going to ignore you because you are being ignorant.
MC~Thank you very much. As for now though I have not said anything outside what some of my fellow friends have disclosed to newspapers and news crews. I will not go outside the boundaries set by the authorities in this case. Thank you for your understanding though.
I didn’t hear about the cheif of police story are you sure it isn’t speculation?
Hi all,
Checking in again.. anything new.
Must work today as market is on the up swing. would love to stay all day and chat, but duty calls. Just wanted to see what’s new
Is Big Pappy a real hunk, or is it all aspirational?????
Countrymoon. how long were you in Aruba? Were you being questioned at all. How old are you?
Peter, I have to go on saying the same things because I feel many people on here are bashing on the wrong things.
The information we have is probably just a small part of the information the police has.
You guys believe the media too much, and each other. We should wait to get more serious info before we hang Joran in the highest tree without a trial.
County–did I miss the link to the prayer bracelett somewhere?
There was a post late lastnight that said the CoP was Jvds “godfather” I can’t remember who posted it though
Kris – absolutly nothing except the rumour that the chief of police in Aruba may be Joran’s godfather.
In an earlier post, I said Natalee’s family knows how to “use” the media.
Maybe Natalee’s parents paid Fox News to cover this?
Maybe one of the Fox producers/reporters is a good friend of Natalee’s family?
I have a lot of respect for Natalee’s family. They are smart, they know how to organize press conferences, they know how to contact with the media, etc.
That’s what I meant with “Natalee’s family knows how to “use” the media”.
MOM….hi again….I do not know anything more than you but from the look in Tim’s face last night I felt like something actually was discovered but not being made public.
We do not have a straight feed from the island. We hear the same things, and a bit more when Mrs. Twitty calls or a couple of our other friends call who are down there with her.
We do not have a straight feed from the island. We hear the same things, and a bit more when Mrs. Twitty calls or a couple of our other friends call who are down there with her.
Check the mines
@ harp, In the eighties (don’t know the exact year) The Antilles could get independence, however they did not want to.
There was also a comment made to Geraldo too that someone in a high up place said ” How can I do that to him? He’s my bestfriends son?” I want to say it was the PM of the island.
Edi: because some people find the whole deal a farce…. and i’m not worth getting your panties in a wad about.
Yolande – no offense but the polis do not appear to have much if Daddy vds and a proven liar are released, I have zero confidence that Joran and the Kalpoe’s will not be let go next Monday.
What is the problem here? The US sends a lot of kids in uniform to, say, Irak. And some of them are also missing. Where’s the hype around these kids?
Kris,
Don’t buy today. Volume is too light for this “rally” to be an uptrend. Wait till 3:30 see which direction we go.
Your welcome
Have to go do extractions. Have a nice day everyone. God Bless Natalee and all her friends and family. May we all get the answers today. max