RSSNatalee Holloway; Saturday June 25
From the Birmingham News, Teen’s father crime suspect
The father of a Dutch teen being held in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance is suspected of being an accessory to a variety of crimes ranging up to premeditated murder, Aruban authorities said Friday.
Paulus van der Sloot, 53, was arrested Thursday in the case. His 17-year-old son, Joran, has been held for more than two weeks.
The senior van der Sloot, a justice official, is suspected of three crimes, said Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office. They are: complicity to premeditated murder, complicity to murder and complicity to kidnapping.
From the AP: Texas Volunteer Search Group Arrives in Aruba to Search for Missing U.S. Teen
A volunteer U.S. rescue group launched a major ground and ocean search Saturday for an Alabama teen who disappeared nearly four weeks ago while on a school trip.
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On Saturday a Judge is supposed to determine whether Aruban authorities have enough evidence to continue to hold Paul van der Sloot, father of 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot. Paul Van der Sloot is being presently held in Natalee Holloway’s disappearance is suspected of being an accessory to a variety of crimes ranging up to premeditated murder, Aruban authorities said Friday According to the AP:
Also Saturday, a judge was to decide whether to allow prosecutors to continue holding justice official Paul van der Sloot, father of 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot, the honors student from the island who is believed to be one of the last people to see 18-year-old Natalee Holloway the night she went missing
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UPDATE: All five suspects in court today for determination on whether they will continue to be held. New Judge will determine this.
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Tuscaloosa news: More questions than answers in mystery of missing teen
Why were the youths last seen with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway left free for days after she disappeared? Why did police not search the home of the Dutch youth who was flirting with her until two weeks after she went missing? Why did Aruban officials ask the FBI to send divers, who came to the island but never searched its waters?
Criminal experts say these apparent mishaps could make it harder for Aruban investigators to crack the case, and may ultimately prevent the Holloway family from ever knowing what happened.
Attorney General Caren Janssen, the top prosecutor on the Dutch Caribbean island, refused to comment on the criticisms and potential implications, saying only that “I can’t comment on the investigation until it’s over. Investigators must be allowed to do their jobs.”
4:45 pm EDT: UPDATE
Hearings for the 5 suspects being held will be delayed until tomorrow. Fox is now reporting, that there was a problem with a flight from Curacao to Aruba, causing a delay. The hearings will be held tomorrow at 8:30 .
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http://www.mythforlife.com/predictions.html
Read the “retracted artice” does anyone have the original?? i would like to keep it on hand.
She really bashed the people who had negative things to say about her prediction
No sorry i dont have the original, i would like to read it again now tho!
If these guys are guilty of “murder” and the body should turn up…what is the punnishment in Aruba??? I know they dont have the death penalty but are we talking 20 years or what, everything seems to lax
Jenna
I hope Natalee will be found quickly and the people who have harmed her will be put away for a long time. Allthough I have little confidence in the Aruban police. It seems they are merely arresting people under pressure of the US gouvernment. Not because they have a clue of who might have done her harm.
Found a cache of the original
UPDATE 6/15/05
[NOTE FROM THE MIRACLIST. This is the information I received when asking
about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Sometimes I am wrong as
you can see from the past prediction archive. The correct way to approach
the use of psychics in a case is to ask four or five psychics to read and look
for a common thread then mix it with hard detective work and evidence so
resources are not wasted on one person's leads. The most well known
psychic can be wrong on a case but a group of psychics from different
backgrounds and locales usually are not. These are excerpts from a longer,
more detailed reading. I would encourage other psychics to post their
findings as well.]
HS 06/04/05
Q: I would like to do a reading on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on
the island of Aruba. Please give me something to bring some closure for
those who are grieving.
These girls freeing summer fun turned tragic when Natalee made a grievous
error in judgment that ultimately cost her life…Natalee wanted to meet some
new people and went with a handsome-enough local man to a party away
from the group. When she received the invitation, she was surprised and
honored (flattered) to be selected as she had previously experienced
damage to her self esteem at the competitive high school filled with attractive
girls… So that night she had a drink and felt uninhibited. When asked to
leave with a promise to return before the others left the bar, she accepted.
She immediately knew she had made a mistake in getting in the small car
(maybe a Toyota-looking car). Two other men came along and that
frightened her. They drove left after exiting the bar through the town and
began the ascent on a hilly, curving street…They arrived at a nice house that
overlooks the town to a certain degree (not too high)… She was drugged with
a local ecstasy substitute…The other men left and she hardly noticed…The
white male repeated raped….her. She was innocent to some of this and
became hysterical. She was so out of control that he strangled her with his
bare hands…The white male was so confident he would not be caught; her
clothes were put in the local trash bin for pick up in front of the house…So
Natalee was taken on the fishing boat out to sea by someone who knew the
white male and was called at about 3:30AM… The boat has blue somewhat
scrolled writing on the back . It lists or slants in the water to the left
somewhat when viewed from behind as it sits in the water at the public
marina… a local man drove the boat straight out from the marina at about 35
mph for 32 minutes…he weighted and pushed her body overboard…Natalee
has found some peace after the traumatic act. She is deeply regretful about
the agony it is causing everyone (especially her mother) but what is done is
done. Her body may never be found.
I am not saying that they are doing and great job but I think they are doing a better job then what we think. I am sure they can not just go around arresting people just because they feel like it. I am sure they have something. I just hope it all comes together soon.
thanks for the research shadow …… i just hope she is wrong
As I said before, always look for the simplest explanation. Joran and the two brothers were out for a good time. They focused on NH, plied her with drinks and maybe a drug. She probably took a liking to Joran. Since Joran is only 17 he may or may not have done this before, but surely the older brothers did.
They take her to a secluded beach area where she either resisted or could not, but they wouldn’t murder her outright even if she said she’d report it to the police—he said she said—and besides she was leaving the next day.
During or after the episode on the beach she has a fatal reaction either to the alcohol or drug. Now they have a body and are scared. They seek help in disposing of the body that is where Croes and the father come in. I guess a father would do anything to protect his son and I am sure the mother knows something!
The question of where is the body remains. Burying the body on land takes time and will be found eventually. Burial at sea, especially in shark waters is easier and offers a plausible explanation of accidental drowning should the body washes up.
But without a body and no confession, this could remain a cold case. Even if the body washes up, the drowning scenario will be played up since Joran said he left her on the beach that night. A confession by someone is needed!!
Blackspear,..Then how do you explain Natalee’s body fluid (from dna testing) in one of the cars of PVDS?
yeah i am starting to agree with you black………i dont think we will ever have the truth .
call it boycotting if you want , I will never go to Aruba the whole thing wreaks of chaos
was the body fluid proven yet? or still heresay
Natalee’s body fluid found in one of his cars and the inconsistent statements of PVDS are the reason of his arrest.
ouch……how stupid can one be? he had all that time to cover his tracks and he didnt? maybe it was a simple case of accident and coverup ? i dont know im so confused. I can only imagine what BH must be going thru
ydave…
I haven’t heard that the finding of body fluids nas been confirmed, but in any event, they could have used the vehicle to transport the body to the boat in a secluded area.
so say it was a date rape drug……i have never been administered that Thank God but does it put you completly out? are you semi-conscious ? and is it more intensified with alcohol?/
…………if they or he hurt NH, was she numb to it?
I hope she will find her way home, one way or another
Jenna
The Aruba police should use the good cop-bad cop method on the kids(Joran, Satish, Deepak, Croes), and on the father.
Now that Joran’s father is not around to coach him, he will need to trust another man to whom he will tell the truth. Another man who feels his pain (the good cop), and one who exerts more pressure on him (the bad cop) to pinpoint the location where they dropped Natalee’s body.
good idea ydave……
that would probably work . it does seem as tho joran is very dependant on daddy dearest. i wonder how close those two really were? you just never know.
i think if we do get answers we will all be VERY shocked
It did not shock you to read that a law enforcement officier (judge Paulus VDS) tells his son and the friends of his son to lie and cover up a crime?
This case should be solved, for tourists to feel protected by the Aruban justice system. It should also be solved for the Aruban tourism industry, and for the Aruban people to trust their government officials.
I have my own theory, I am psychic enough, but also know a bit about drugs. The drug extacy can be deadly is convined with alcohol, a person’s heart can stop saddely. I sence that NH was druged and maybe she did not object to that, teens are curious but she overdosed and the young man did not know what to do. I agree that her body was taken with a boat and thrown in the waters by the ocean. Joran was the only one with her when she overdosed and he run to the internet to let the others know… living her in his car, then the father got involved and help him dispossed the body with the help of the man who was a DJ in the boat. I don’t see her body being found.
i meant “a law enforcement official (Paulus VDS)”
Things will move a little faster now that PVDS has been taken out of the system. He is no longer briefed on the progress of the investigation, to pass information to his son. And he can’t communicate with his son.
http://www.briansprediction.com/may2005.htm
i vaguely remember seeing his drawing about the 3 boys in the trunk a few days ago
( before authorities found the children) ….does anyone else???? if so i guess he was accurate?
Jenna
about brians predictions , i know a few days ago people were keeping a close eye on this guy…..any interesting findings???
If that was truly there in May, that is a pretty accurate premonition…about the 3 boys. Really…
This brian’s predictions is so far off look what he said about Micheal Jackson. Give me a break! I think that we all should just pray for the family and hope that it turns out good. If these people could really predict things then why are they all not millionaires? I have been watching the web site and he redates and retimes events to look like he predicted it. Watch and u will see.
Marg….do you eat in diners?
Bassie and Adriaantje: you are two porno pigs and God will punish you for posting porn on this website where children can access it!
TOM AND RED: Kick these two porno heads off this message board!
ydave, I understand Mrs. PVDS is visiting her husband…couldn’t she pass messages from him to J?
Hey, we have already convicted Joran and perhaps he did kill Natalee, however if this was a Columbo Mystery, I think the outcome would be different. Let’s assume fot the sake of arguement that Joran, Deepak and Satish are telling the truth. Let’s assume they dropped her off at her hotel. When where is she? I have 2 other theories. Natalee gets dropped off at the hotel, she is wondering around intoxicated. One or 2 Mountain Brook High School boys are outside walking around looking to “score” with some willing or unwilling classmate before it is time to head to the airport. The boy(s) sees Natalee and tries to coax her into a “good time” Natalee refuses and the boy (classmate) gets angry and assults her. Things turn ugly and Natalee is killed. She could have been beaten, drowned in the ocean or whatever. The boy(s) take the body of Natalee and dispose it in the Hotel dumpster. The next day the sanitation trucks collects the trash and Natalee’s body. These students I see on Fox TV look to be covering up something. Have the male students been questioned? I realize EVERYTHING points to Joran, but where is the body? Joran is a 17 yr old. Not a international killer who commits the perfect crime. My second theory is that Natalee was kidnapped by some sort of white slavery group. Unfortunately, with all the publicity surrounding this case, the kidnappers would have to have killed her by now since she is such a hot item.
Find Natalee Now,
What are you smokin’?
to scaredshitless the answer to your question is NO!!!. Why are you the one that does the predictions? Are you really Brian?
The event at Otey’s was amazing! Great show of community support and hope…
find Natalee now:
I had the same thought maybe they are not the ones that did it. Maybe you are on to something. I do believe that he was with her on the beach and maybe they did have sex and then he left who knows what happened after that. She was just a one night stand to him maybe he was bragging at school about it thats why his dad told him to shut up because now she was missing. How many one night stands stick around after the sex not to many. Someone eles could of been watching and when he left thats when who ever did something to her or kidnapped came into place. Hope it was kidnap and she will be found alive.
What is this about body fluids that you’re all talking about??
I thought that DNA testing came up negative for what was founf in the car . . . .
There are 3 vehicles.
It has always been strange to me that nobody realizes that there have been hundreds of men on the island, americans, partying, adults, all after some booty and NH wondering around on the beach… Who sais JvdS was the last to see her? He is the last one we know of…
There is no evidence against the vdSs.
I did not realize they found body fluids. I thought that had just been a rumor.
fluids were found in the karpoe’s honda
There is no new evedence today is there?
1. Karpoes car
2. vdS Jeep
3. vdS family car
The phone call made in the small hours.
Wow, I did not realize it was in 3 cars. Does anyone know who gave that psychic reading?
The boy is biting his tongue. It is all chewed up, bloody and sore.
And then the blue van…
HI EVERYONE. I AM BACK!
Hi kristen
Help with this. There was body fluid found in three different card??
And Natalee is the source??? Was this in the news?? I didn’t hear it.
This blog is really slow on the weekend! People must blog @work to pass the time
That should read ‘differnt cars’ . . .
No Peter, It wasn’t in the news. I think Simian and maybe CHeckme are in Aruba. They are the one’s I have heard it from.
Hi..what’s up?
So who is biting his tounge Simian, and about that blue graffiti van….was she in it or something?
Hi scared
Marg…I thought you were the fat calved marj that we ate in diners with
I am guessing young van der sloot was biting his tongue. I think the van was croes.
I was hoping we’d have answers by this weekend
someone left a message on a travel website, on may 31st, before all of us even knew who natalee even was….and the message was from a woman who’s best friend’s husband went on the trip to aruba with the mountain brook teens, and he ended up having to stay in aruba because “natalee left with a man who ended up being a big time drug dealer and they think they took her to venezuela or something” i will send you all the link…..
I know! It seems to slow down on the weekends
wow Kristin if that’s true what a revelation!
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.
The boy is mutilating his own tongue. He doesn’t want to let the old man down.
So, what kind of ‘body fluids’? Blood?
My heavyset wife, Ingrid, she wantto visit Mt brooke and see what it look like. To honor Natalee. I say natalee not yeat dead. Wait to see what hapen to her
Someone said her body fluids, but I think they have said it was not blood
ashley79
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 35
Birmingham, AL Posted on: 1:37 pm, May 31, 2005 Report inappropriate post
Just wanted to warn everyone:
My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie’s, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer.
now this girl ashley 79 has not been answering anyone’s comments and everyone is trying to get a hold of her. she was asked not to talk to anyone by the feds.
I have read that post before possibly on here. I don’t remember.
Then, if it wasn’t blood then what was it?
And was it confirmed that the ‘body fluid’ is Natalee’s?
What did Ashley 79 say before she was told not to say anything more?
I don’t know…
It could be vaginal fluid. I do not know if that is even factual
That would mean she was in the car, AND co-operative. We already know she was in the car. Doesn’t really help much, or am I missing something??
Kristin, that is certainly SHOCKING news and maybe reason for Natalee’s mother’s hope that she’s alive
In the other car.
From what I’ve heard on here before. If they had to transport her body, they may have been body fluids in the car. When some one loses their life, they lose their bodily fluids also. I hope that’s not what they found though.
This is scaredy news. I pray for Mrs Twitty
The only that you know is pretty accurate is what they release on the news. So NO it doesn’t help at all.
that is true. My friend’s dad died at her wedding & he urinated after his death. it was so sad. I hope it’s not true and Natalee IS ALIVE
I have heard that also… But why would any idiot transfer a body into 3 different vehichles
I don’t think those 3 stooges would have time to transport a body in 3 vehicles (my apologies to Moe, Larry and Curly)
I would think he would be pretty worried about getting caught.
If there was that MUCH body fluid due to expiration, then that would be cause to criminally charge these clowns, I would think. But who knows in Aruba.
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.
Sadly I believe Natalee’s body was disposed of and will never be found except by a stroke of good luck. There never will be a “corpus delecti” and all the murderer(s) or accessory(ies) has to do is not break, as they have up to now. They’ll never be convicted unless we have either a confession or an eyewitness. Someone has to make him/them crack or this will forever remain a mystery. Actually the white slave theory would be wishful thinking. Highly unlikely she is still alive!
Rob
dad came to get him right simian, and they had natalee’s body with them?
Yea but were Kalpoes there when he killed her, or when she died by intoxication? If she is not still with us. Didn’t JvDS tell his mom he was alone on the beach with her?
Hey, Kristin
I’ve finally found you guys. K, I tried to e-mail you back the other day, but it couldn’t be delivered. I’m new to this — in fact this is my first post in real time, but I’ve been following your posts for the last few days with great interest, while trying to figure out how to join in. So, I, too, have been biting my tongue, Simian. ha
Did you hear that Rudy Croes, the Justice Minister said that Senior failed to be a judge in the Netherlands, and had been talking to him about what to do for a job a week before Natalee disappeared?
Since I am such a novice at this, could someone please tell me how to stay with the thread instead of being bounced back to the beginning after posting a message? Thanks.
Not even a confession will help.
One witness is not a witness.
The body is needed.
why is simian writing in cryptic blurbs. Is he unable to speak normallY?
Kristin:
That’s what I’ve been thinking, as well. Dad came to get him and lied to police about it when he was first questioned as witness. I thought I read somewhere that Dad got a cellphone call from son @ about 4:00 a.m.. Anyone know if this is accurate?
Anyone confirm that Croes vehicle, if any, was this blue van, we keep hearing about?
give us more simian….you’re losing me.
where did checkme go?
hit refresh maya
This feels like a huge jigsaw puzzle with pieces missing
yeah scared, i know what you mean
Simian is good for keeping you intrigued
Simian:
The “one witness” comment. Is that accurate statement of Aruban law or your opinion on the chance of convicting based on single witness statement?
Maya:
Haven’t figured that out yet, either. Refresh works for me when reading other’s posts. After posting myself, I end up at the beginning every time and have to scroll down.
By the way, hello everyone. Did not mean to barge in without greetings:)
Only one piece is missing.
Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say. They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy. The father was not there, but he knew what to do.
The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.
If this does go to a cold case, then it will be BOYCOTT ARUBA time. Someone, or something has to pay for this. To simply throw up hands and say ‘We tried; IS NOT enough.
Simian:
Whose pool?
Dad is family, by law he cannot incriminate a family menber as a witness… complicated
gttg… cu ltr.
Simian, why can’t you just come out and say everything all at once? The FBI is NOT going to arrest you or anything…you are simply chatting online, and what you are saying is always just an ASSUMPTION, and everyone is entitled to speak their ASSUMPTION, so please lay it on us.
checkme why are you leaving
Checkme:
Ahhh! And Dad would certainly know how to manipulate the law. But likewise, JVDS can not incriminate Dad. This leaves Croes, if he helped dispose of body, but still no evidence of murder without the body. Looks bleak, if the suspect’s don’t crack.
Simian, hello today. Do you have any new information from Aruba? How were the fires last night?
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.
checkme is great and I love subdude. Kristin, you sound highly intelligent.
Rachael-
Hi! No new info
Kristen, Simian always does this. He won’t come out and say everything he makes it complicated.
…they boys met around the pool in Montaà ±a.
in other words if the forensics come back positive from Hollan (THE HAGUE), he is screwed
Hey Edie I didn’t see you were in here! How are you today. Too bad there is no new news. I was hoping they would have seen the judge today.
Thanks scared, that’s nice of you to say
Just got info the plane has arrived they are going to the courts
My large boned Danish wife say No drug dealer would mes with her. she would take her large meaty knee and get him in the groin. Natalee too small a woman to defend hersself properrly
simian, do you think that Nat is alive?
Please don’t ask what the Hague is if you do not know!! HA ha
Is it safe for moi to return ? There was an imposter impersonatng me and using FOUL DIGUSTING language as if I were man-hungry. I’m 73 and done with all men!
Hey ya’ll, easy on Simian> He’s got a source of inside information and he can’t reveal or compromise the investigation, IMO. “Legal checkmate” means Dad has Aruban authorities in legal checkmate without forensic evidence, right?
Would a statement by Croes saying son told me he killed her do it?
BTW I say my wife is huge and fat but she is really a man who has had a sex change. His name is Pety but now that we are married I call her Ingrid. She is so hot and kinky………..love ya dildo gal
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon. The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.
The hope rests on the cowboys finding their own.
Subdude, you sound like a lawyer. You have more brains than moi!
Hi leopard,
It is only ok if you do not isult our intelligence. Just kidding. We were all hijacked with imposters!
Edie I don’t know what the Hague is, he he
someone’s impersonating CHRIS (Hallway guy). He is an older man, very polite, would NEVER say that!
The Simian is leaving. There’s a doppelganger.
I can’t figure out what’s going on. After posting above message, I read the other ones preceding it — that’s pretty amazing about Ashley’s post, Anyway, there is nothing after my post of 7:44pm and I know you guys are chatting. What am I doing wrong? Linda
what?
Thanks scared for “the love” and Leopardqueen for the compliment. But no need to be done with men, just on your own terms if you care to venture.
Simian: Why can’t Dad deny?
I am so sick about this case I’ve had to take an antacid while at work…YES I AM 73 and still work in an office parttime.
Simian are you referring to the Texas searchers when you say cowboys. What is your insider informing you about today?
click on refresh or reload
Simian don’t leave. What is a doppelganger?
a double
Rachael-
I think he is referring to the texans
it means twin, or double
A double what?
I wish he would just tell us what the insider is saying.
dop ·pel ·gà ¤ng ·er or dop ·pel ·gang ·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dpl-gngr, -gng-)
n.
A ghostly double of a living person, especially one that haunts its fleshly counterpart.
you think leopardqueen is fake simian???
subdude: You are impressive!
I dont
what does he mean by saying doppelganger, I mean what is he hinting towards or referring to?
simian, what do you think of lorenzo having SOMETHING to do with this?????
I don’t really know
Who is Lorenzo?
Kristen who is Lorenzo?
LQ: Had to look it up.
Rachel: I think he means there is an impostor on the thread.
There was a fake impersonating me the othr day so I stayed away awhile. But you know it’s me when I am not talking dirty talk. Remember, I’m 73 with grandchildren and one great on the way
simian knows who he is. see if he’ll say
So Simian has the inside info. How interesting.
queen,
i just had the first great-grandaughter last may! it was such a special thing for my nana and mother….four generations!
anyways, sorry guys totally off subject!
There was definitely an imposter impersonating CHRIS IN HALLWAY. anytime someone says “d____do” you know it’s a fake phoney fraud
Kristin, I had you pegged for age 25!
Lorenzo = some talk about a fifth (at the time), now 6th after the arrest of Dad, person involved and to be arrested. Nothing has come of it yet. If not mistaken, Lorenzo allegedly owned a crazy-painted van or house and thought was NH may have been at his house at some point.
Scared how would you know her age?
How come it seems that four people can lie very well. Are they innocent? Or did they already confess and are police just waiting to find the body to be 100% sure?
Oh I remember. Didnt he have a van?
EDIE Because Kristin sounded very young and bright and quick on the keyboard. Plus i have a grandniece Kristin who is young
I don’t think for one minute they confessed.
Yolande: If you mean same story, Simian is telling us that the 2 Kalpoes and 2 VDS met around a pool in Montana to get stories straight. Whose house in Montana? I can check past articles to find out, if no one knows off top of head.
I don’t know but simian has been saying that for day’s
I’m telling you, they need a heavier feather.
A heavier feather for what?
To hit Joran over the head with.
Thanks Edie. The Hague is the European court in the Netherlands, Simian means we have an imposter again.
Thanks also Subdude.
Court was cancelled today, The judge from Curacua missed his plane??
Simian, have the forensics, the fluids, come back from The Hague?
Simian doesn’t seem to be saying anyone confessed to the murder. Just that it has come out there was a meeting around the pool to get the stories straight and Kalpoes did not know why the story needed to be told, but went along. Seems very naive of them, but VDS were influential, as I understand it.
Neither VDS told Kalpoes why the story so they did not become witnesses to VDS’ confession who could testify against VDS’ later on. Could only say truthfully that they were asked to lie and did so.
Even if VDS’ admit to disposing of body, does not prove murder — just that she died. VDS’ could say they don’t know how, just died and they got rid of body.
Without body, can’t prove cause of death. This is probably the “only one piece of puzzle missing” Simian is referring to.
I think people impersonate simian because he or she gets a lot of attnetion on here
The Simian knows the Babylonians. They need to plan the legal checkmate perfectly. They know that the elder knows his way around the palace. All gates need to be shut.
The Hindus don’t know that the elder knows what happened. The though they did the boy a favor by protecting him. The Hindus don’t know what happened.
The cowboys gave themselves 10 days. One down.
Greta is abot o interview VDS’ lawyer on Fox. BTW I also heard that Aruba does have an obstruction of justice charge, but it is not as intense as U.S. law
The Hindus meaning the authorities
scared, i am 22! haha, high school sweetheart, he’s 22 too! we just had our first baby girl. good guess!
If Simian is accurate, this was a clever legal scheme to avoid prosecution by PVDS and protect his son from same. Does anyone know if Aruban law provides 100% inter-family testimonial immunity? In US, most states have similar inter-spousal immunity. Spouse can not be compelled to testify against spouse. However, spouse can chose to testify against spouse. This is probably why police are leanding hard on JVDS
PVDS would know all of this as a judge in training.
Almost the perfect crime?
Edie: The “Hindus” are the Kalpoes from Surinam and practice Hindu religion, I believe. Mrs Kalpoe made reference to Hindu altar in her home on Greta interview.
Aruban police are trying to get around PVDS mastermind scheme to avoid prosecution and have son do same by hiding behind the privilege of not being able to be compelled to testify against another family member.
But, per Simian, there is a wrinkle.
greta doesnt know anything, and she makes me mad.
simian you think she is alive?
Simian: Do VDS live in Montana?
thank you subdude you made this so much easier!:)
I understand there is family immunity.
I know simian lives in Aruba… ANyone else?
They want to pressere the punk into feeling concern for his father’s well being, knowing that he is now in custody.
How do you get concern from a narccistic psychopath, whatever his age???
Montaà ±a. Noord. Aruba.
What does the music man know? He was seen. He was mentioned by the boy.
Simian: Last clue re: Babylonians was your best so far. Babylonian culture is known for Hammurabi, among other things. He was the sixth king of this dynasty was Hammurabi (1792-1750 BC) who made Babylon the capital of a vast empire and is best remembered for his code of laws. (Ask Jeeves)
Simian’s Babylonians (sounds nice, huh?) are the Aruban authorities. PVDS knows his way “around the palace” of law, so the Aruban police have to set him up to get around the freedom from testifying between JVDS and PVDS.
Well done, Simiam. Had to look up the Babylonian reference.
The flunky Aruban cops need to let the guys from Quantico have at him. That’s the way to avoid a boycott. They’d pull apart his story piece by piece.
The meeting at the pool to get the stories straight was at the VDS home. Momma VDS was in Holland so knows nothing. Kalpoes have probably come clean about the meeting which shows guilty mind of VDS.
i get what you mean now by noord simian
just looked back to yesterday’s blog, or maybe today. there was another kristin. she had a capital K though. oh well. i shouldn’t have used my first name knowing someone else would have had it.
The boy is biting off his own tongue. The Babylonians are stunned. What possesses such a boy?
Most federales have left. The puzzle is nearly done. The one piece is missing. They need the cowboys help.
So the authorities have a lot of info… That is why they are keeping so hush hsh.
cowboys are going to find her body
i really thought she would be found alive…held captive somewhere starving to death. does a lorenzo have anything to do with this simian? please answer me that. please.
Hi everyone! J bit off his tongue???? Wait i’m going to go back and read…
Simian: Music man = Croes, the D-jay. You are good.
Seems under Dutch law, a confession from extensive interrogation (10+ hours per day, sometimes) is admissible. In states, we would try to have kept out of evidence as involuntary. Could confession from interrogation only (no beating), from JVDS, for instance, be used against him and PVDS?
what posessed such a boy (a boy who has everything and can have anything he wants) to actually kill an innocent female????
the music man knows where her body is
What does biting off his tongue mean? Wanting to talk, but trying to keep quiet
JVDS is literally mutilating his own tongue so he can’t speak to confess. This is taking on tones of a classic Greek tragedy. But Babylonians can ask him yes or no questions and he can gesture. He’s going to break. All they need is the body.
Has JVDS given clues to its whereabouts?
you think he’s really biting off his own tongue…not just a figure of speech?
i don’t think any of the suspects are going to talk because keeping quiet has worked so far. How much longer can they hold them?
kristin:
I think he probably drugged and raped her, she came up out of the drug and threatened to turn him in. Kill her or face prosecution and disgrace family, ruin Dad’s chance of judgeship.
Are you kidding me? He is actually biting off his own tongue?? Or are we just taking this out of context?
kristin:
Yes, maybe not off, but chomping on it to mutilate it.
I think that is what happened also. I think the psychic reading rings true in some ways
kristin:
Yes, maybe not off, but chomping on it to mutilate it.
BTW, I am being a board hog, so I’ll cool it.
really biting off hs tongue. He is in interegations for 10 hrs at a time. This could make a person want to confess just to stop it
No, I like knowing what is going on. I would not know if it wasnt for simian and you subdude
i’m sad that she’s dead
Cowboys are the search team from Texas. For non US, Texas is famous state for cowboys. In fact, one of their pro football teams is named Cowboys. Simian’s good.
It is sad, but it was something that we all knew was a possibility. I hope the vdsls don’t get away with this.
The Babylonians might release the Hindus.
The boy knows his father knows the way. He’s been inside the palace for many years. It has worked before. This time too much is at stake. This time there was someone there to hear the tree fall.
The music man is singing. The Simian can’t understand the words.
A bloody tongue is a bloody tongue. Swollen and thick. This boy is lost.
I told my husband the other night that I though the Kalpoes were innocent as far as killing her… Not about lying for joran
honestly, i dont even care what happens after they actually find her body…i dont care if they die or stay in jail forever. once the mystery is over and i pay my condolences to the family, i’m done with this. i’ll be sad and i will think about her always, but the stress and frustration will diminish. finally.
Kristen do you live by her?
so do you think joran and his dad will escape?
no
In US, police like to have confessors write confession down. But if he’s willing to mutilate his own tongue . . .
Music man is singing in Papamiento?
What has worked before. Has he done this before?
so this is the REAL reason as to why the texans were called in. because the know her body is in the ocean. they knew for a long time. beth knew, everyone knew.
kristin,
It’s exactly because he had everything that made him do this. She was on her way home and because he is accoustomed to having his way, he wanted her – as soon as, and anyway, possible. Spoiled, no real discipline growing up, encouraged to think he is the centre of the universe and it has all come to a head.
Peter: Bingo!
Thank you.
Greta reported that the night natalees parents arrived in Aruba Joran and his papa were in the casino together gambeling. His father knew he was not old enough to gamble. They let Joran do as he chooses.
so do you think steve helped dump her body? like they said before?
I see there is another Kristin here so I will change my name here to avoid confusion. Hello kristin.
There is still hope yet. I have a girlfriend who is in Cancun on holiday and she heard it being discussed that Natalee was seen in a car on the mainland with a group of men. This would seem to lend a little support for the theory that she was “traded or sold”. If JVDS was selling drugs, what is the possibility that PVDS knew about it and was in on the action? Being an “official of the law” would give a great cover while having access to valuable information, etc.
I do not know how it works in Aruba, but I was under the impression the Judges did not make that much of a salary and apparently the VDS’ were pretty well off. Selling drugs to tourists, especially young adults could possibly be very profitable.
simian, lorenzo??????????????????
hi kristin, i heard that too….that she was being kept in a van or something (with a large speaker in back, right simian?)
yes! I think steve dumped the body I think papa vandersloot some how convinced him to.
To my faithful believers:
This may be my last post. But I’ll tell you what’s going on. The younger VDS did it. No admission of guilt yet, but witnesses to prove. Awaiting DNA results to confirm will be soon. Two more possible arrests. DJ was the “Vessel”. Sorry for cryptic message, but my job is on the line. Still I remain true to you bloggers and the truth shall set us free. A mystery is only as mysterious as the mind allows it to be. Sometimes the truth is right in front of your face …
shock the monkey, shocked!!
thank you…
The ape who is a wolf is here to disinform.
Thanks SHock
Shock: Thanks . . . well, you know what I mean:) Same thing Simian seems to be saying.
If its true .. *shock* too ..
How long before the dna results are back?
I wonder what the dna evidence is. Body fluids?
If you’ve seen the evidence and live here, you would draw the same conclusions …
shock, where do you think the body is? are divers going to find it?
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
could arrive with new judge… plane was delayed… may have been the reason … hand delievering the DNA results …
I am wondering if a room on an irc server would be a good place to discuss this. Say perhaps #Natalee on irc.efnet.net?
Simplest explanation is usually correct
I’m lost. What’s with all the coded talk??
Simian: Can’t prove murder without a body unless you have two, corroborating statements, right?
Sim, you working tonight?
i believe we’ll see lorenzo arrested tonight or tomorrow.
his song is not on the bill?
o what tangled webs we weave. a trojan horse has left smoke and mirrors.
i just heard a police cheif and friend of PVDS is involved and will be arrested? simian? shock?
who’s to say there was a trojan horse? There are other forms …
where did you hear that Kristen?
someone from aruba, different website
someone break down the code talk, i’m losing it over here
Edie:
Without two witnesses saying same thing, can’t prove murder unless have the body. “One witness is not a witness”. Not sure if this is accurate legal statement, but I think this is what “Monkeys” mean.
Shock-
Is it a big possibility they will walk?
kristin .. i can not comment. But I told you two more arrests.
Edie:
Without two witnesses saying same thing, can’t prove murder unless have the body. “One witness is not a witness”. Not sure if this is accurate legal statement, but I think this is what “Monkeys” mean.
thanks sub
Kristin:
Police chief and Lorenzo would be two more witnesses.
The Babylonians gave free reign to the cowboys for a reason.
thanks shock
The one with the longest legs begs …
do the birmingham parents know? do they know this shock?
the scorned ones have won the prize. details at eleven.
why eleven?
So a police officer is in on this.
monkeys no
Guys, Croes has given it up and told he knows about the murder and body dump. One witness is not enough. The police need a second witness or the body. Lorenzo or police chief would be enough or the body. Body is always better and police don’t know if either of these new witnesses will confirm Croes. I think this is what is up.
have you noticed you haven’t seen Mrs. Twitty lately? The last time you did, did you notice her sorrow? That should answer your question Kristin.
they are getting out @11?
The Babylonians hands are not dirty.
edie:
Details @ 11 means watch the news. JVDS confessed. The “scorned ones” are the Aruban authorities who have been so heavily criticized for the investigation. I’d be having fun if I weren’t so damn sad:(
DanMar: In Aruba?
iowa, i just work in outer space
So young van der sloot confessed
Those with the noses, you know who you are, thank you for all the translations. The recent OTR interviews with Mama VDS and Mama Kalpoe offered much insight. Remember, one of the Kalpoe brother’s stated “something bad happened.”
my god
CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME IF THIS WAS THE INFORMATION IN THE CODE PLEASE??????????????
OK, somebody, so steve croes witnessed what happened, joran did the terrible thing, the siramese brothers are innocent bistanders, and the father helped cover things up, so now joran won’t talk cuz he doesn’t want to get his dad in trouble. Joran has been in trouble before, his dad covered him then too, so pvds is in trouble, and joran is too??? Is this the code that Sim. is talking about? Oh and the arubans know everything, but there will be no case without a body???
pretty much
i knew they called the texans in because they KNEW they were looking for her body in the ocean. man. i can’t believe it’s really come to an end.
Yes, something bad did happened. But it was an accident, it wasn’t meant to happen … as it did not happen on the beach as assumed, rather, it was in a house.
Ok so the Surnamese brothers are innocent period. WHy won’t they let them out?
why wasnt it meant to happen then? i dont get that part
As the psychic said, in a house. accidental overdose… or she was drugged and died from it?
Ok SHOCK, if it was an accident then why did they dispose of the body? What would be the purpose of covering up an accident?
This is really getting to me. I need to be able to get a night of sleep without being troubled. We all need resolution, especially her family and friends.
Well, if he drugged her and she died
Shock:
If accident, why all this craziness?
Kristen SC-
I have had nightmares about this case for several nights!
Hi Im back. Lily– got rid of the body because they were scared and drugs were involved.
ShocktheMonkey,
How do you know she died in a house??
My wife said the same thing to me last night, and she thinks it actually happened in Joran’s apratment off the side of the Van Der Sloot house.
OK, well is this more speculation or does somebody really know this for real?
edie: Got the link to the psychic thing?
The Hindus are not completely clean, but the Babylonians need them.
The are only so many halls in the palace. The gates are shutting down, but they need to be kept shut.
Checkmate is in place, but the game is not over yet.
No, I went to the link posted here but it was retracted… But someone posted the reading on here somewhere… let me see if I can find it.
lily its for real
seriously, these guys have been right on the whole time. about everything.
And they wouldn’t find any evidence in J apartment because dad had so much time to take care of everything?
Found a cache of the original
UPDATE 6/15/05
[NOTE FROM THE MIRACLIST. This is the information I received when asking
about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Sometimes I am wrong as
you can see from the past prediction archive. The correct way to approach
the use of psychics in a case is to ask four or five psychics to read and look
for a common thread then mix it with hard detective work and evidence so
resources are not wasted on one person's leads. The most well known
psychic can be wrong on a case but a group of psychics from different
backgrounds and locales usually are not. These are excerpts from a longer,
more detailed reading. I would encourage other psychics to post their
findings as well.]
HS 06/04/05
Q: I would like to do a reading on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on
the island of Aruba. Please give me something to bring some closure for
those who are grieving.
These girls freeing summer fun turned tragic when Natalee made a grievous
error in judgment that ultimately cost her life…Natalee wanted to meet some
new people and went with a handsome-enough local man to a party away
from the group. When she received the invitation, she was surprised and
honored (flattered) to be selected as she had previously experienced
damage to her self esteem at the competitive high school filled with attractive
girls… So that night she had a drink and felt uninhibited. When asked to
leave with a promise to return before the others left the bar, she accepted.
She immediately knew she had made a mistake in getting in the small car
(maybe a Toyota-looking car). Two other men came along and that
frightened her. They drove left after exiting the bar through the town and
began the ascent on a hilly, curving street…They arrived at a nice house that
overlooks the town to a certain degree (not too high)… She was drugged with
a local ecstasy substitute…The other men left and she hardly noticed…The
white male repeated raped….her. She was innocent to some of this and
became hysterical. She was so out of control that he strangled her with his
bare hands…The white male was so confident he would not be caught; her
clothes were put in the local trash bin for pick up in front of the house…So
Natalee was taken on the fishing boat out to sea by someone who knew the
white male and was called at about 3:30AM… The boat has blue somewhat
scrolled writing on the back . It lists or slants in the water to the left
somewhat when viewed from behind as it sits in the water at the public
marina… a local man drove the boat straight out from the marina at about 35
mph for 32 minutes…he weighted and pushed her body overboard…Natalee
has found some peace after the traumatic act. She is deeply regretful about
the agony it is causing everyone (especially her mother) but what is done is
done. Her body may never be found.
???????????????????????????????????????????
Ok, anybody can claim to be psychic, I could claim to be psychic because I’m a very intuitive person. This is a really draining situation that needs to be solve. If I were Natalee’s family I would be digging the Aruban gov’t some holes for the simple fact, if they’ve known this all along, and tried to cover this up, it’s the perfect plan, I wonder how long it takes a body to completely decay?? Or do they know that the body was dumped in the ocean and are trying to give it time so it just can’t be found????????????
A substance was given to victim without knowledge. Substance served purpose … victim came to … suspect panics .. in an attempt to quiet victim, “something bad happens”
Why do so many people misspell the name Kristin? It is In, not En
Edie, i have not had a good night of sleep since i began following this story. I too had a nightmare, one of a girl crying out in terror
edie: Thanks and that’s frightenting.
Shock-
Did the psychic nail it on the head?
Subdude-
I know! That is why when simian and shock are speaking I am believing.
does Simian mean we’ll hear all this tonight on the 11 PM news?
And they got rid of the body because they felt omnipotent. Another dipshit American chick. Dime a dozen, right? Then Mr. and Mrs. Holloway show up. Papa Van Der Sloot gets pissy. “How dare they, those ill-mannered Americans”, along with the Who-do-they-think-they-are routine. That’s when Joran’s useless father tried to stare down Mrs. Holloway. Brave boy.
They thought it was going to be easy, didn’t they??
Lily we are working 24 hrs to bring this to a resolution.
Lily: I think “very intuitive” and psychic are related, if not the same. Some people are more in touch. First step is believing. And I do, in some people. The less inhibited and repressed, the more likely psychic.
Time is a continuum, some can see farther back than others.
haha kristin. i know!!!
this explains why greta went home for a few days, why nat’s mom hasn’t been seen (prob in hotel room balling her eyes out) and why rescue team is there.
one more thing, how was this pre-meditated? and did they plan this BEFORE nat even came to aruba…knowing she was from a rich family and all that, or no? shock?
OK YA’LL, THINK ABOUT THIS. ALL OF THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS. YOU NEED TO DO RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BELIEVE THIS. LOOK AT THE TIME THE INFORMATION CAME OUT AND THE DATE SHE SAID THIS. THEN TELL ME IF IT IS REAL?????????
Some alibis need to be broken.
Peter: Bingo, again!
Shock: However, on the accident thing. JVDS may be the only one who knows if accident or he strangled her. May not be pre-meditated, but still murder. “I didn’t mean to kill her, just wanted her to be quiet” = let the judge decide what he intended
The person who posted that retracted it because of the non believers on this blog.. if you go to http://www.mythforlife.com/predictions.html
you will see.
ok, also…what was the purpose of drugging her and raping her? dont you think she would have slept with VDS without having to be DRUGGED??? shock?
RE: DNA can amount to anything from a strand of hair, to a finger print, to saliva, to blood, and “other” bodily fluids, even from a thread from a piece of clothing. …. Drugs, alcohol are a fatal mix if indeed it were a rape or party drug … Similar experience with me here in the good ol’ US … I blacked out from the combination and woke up and thankfully escaped before man of status took me across the border into Canada. This was 15 years ago! Peace be within our souls, slumber, and waking. I’ve had dreams about this too.
Simian alibis have already been broken. They have all the information they need. All they need to do is get everything ready. Ok, I’m a very intuitive person about knowing a persons character, that does not make me psychic. I know some things before they happen. That does not make me psychic.
I did not believe in psychics until I saw sylvia Browne and then I believed
Lily: What’s the difference between knowing things before they happen and being a psychic? NOT attacking, but why aren’t you psychic?
No that’s not what it means Kristin. Premeditated requires planning. This was an accident perpetuated by a mallace act. It’s what happened after, that was premeditated …
DanMar: federales?
kristin,
It was about control. Having her all to himself. Getting her to go to bed with him takes time, and she was leaving within HOURS. And he HAD to have her, no matter what. “She’s not getting away from me. She’s mine.”
If Joran did it. It seems like a movie. I was thinking this was real life and not a movie.
monkees r monkees – no more
Psychics charge you to have a “reading”. Everybody has had some kind of deja vu, or dreamt of something before it happened. If there are psychics, then there are witches, and goblins, and demons too.
Capiche
Et tu, Mr. Mar
Everyone has their own opinion…
There is whisperer on the line. The sword of Damocles will soon fall. I can’t say whose on the throne.
Did he think he could rule forever from his hideaway?
All along the gamblers knew who he was.
Opinions change when there are real facts.
OK, Quick explanation. One day my grandma, sister, and I were out delivering phone books in ky. All of a sudden it started to storm really bad, and I freaked out, I told my grandma she had to turn around soon or we were going to be in trouble. Next thing you know lighting bolts were quaking the ground, hail was coming down, my grandma turned the radio on and we had a tornado warning for the area we were in. I was right, we turned around right then and barely made it to safety.
Good God Simian. What the hell are you doing here? I got a headache trying to read back and figure out your stuff. Geraldo VanDeRivera is on talking to Beth and Jug.
the parent are on with Geraldo on fox news
Telephone records prove that Joran and the Kalpo boys separated that night. ALso show that Joran called Deepak at 2:30 a.m. on May 30. Request Joran to return to the beach. 45 minutes later Joran text messaged Deepak and said he did not need the ride
I too have been a victim of being drugged at a bar. One moment I’m with my friends and the next thing I know I wake up at home, splitting headache and no knowledge of leaving or even going home. Friends said I had left with someone so I was lucky. This should be an important lesson for all women, *always* keep your drink in hand, do not accept a drink from someone you do not know unless the bartender hands it to you, and never allow friends to leave alone with strangers.
Meant requested Deepak come back to pick him up from the beach – maybe. Sorry I was typing while I was listening.
Damocles: Greek courtier to Dionysius the Elder, tyrant of Syracuse, who according to legend was forced to sit at a banquet table under a sword suspended by a single hair to demonstrate the precariousness of a king’s fortunes.
Very good advice Kristen-in-SC. I have a daughter going to BElize tomorrow and she has gotten my speech.
Very good advice Kristen-in-SC. I have a daughter going to BElize tomorrow and she has gotten my speech.
kristin … watch the bartender pour your drink
The Babylonians cared only for their gold and did not hear the Sumerians plot their demise. In the morning, at the point it was realized, it was too late.
Simian – headache gone – I so get you.
ok sub elaborate for us.
Ok, so the judge coming from holland is going to be the one to bring justice.
Again, the Simian has a doppelganger.
Can’t compromise the whisperer on the line.
Signing off.
Simian can you crypt to the message to my e-mail??
Damn – what is a doppelganger?
Sounds like to me that Simian has someone feeding him/her live info. Is Simian a member of the LE there??
Lily: Can’t go with you on that one. But witches, psychics, same idea in my mind. Do you have any impressions about anything right now? Take a chance and share.
I believe it’s a tap on his computer, and with the information being given out he has to get off before they can track him.
Thank you Lily.
Doppelganger:
Meaning “double walker” a doppelganger is a shadow-self that accompanies every human. Only the owner of a doppelganger can see it, otherwise it is invisible to human eyes. Dogs and cats have been known to see doppelgangers. Providing sympathetic company, a doppelganger almost always stands behind a person, and they cast no reflection in a mirror. They are prepared to listen and give advice to humans, either implanting ideas in their heads, or a sort of osmosis. It is said to be bad luck if it is seen, and rarely a doppelganger will make itself visible to friends or family, often causing great confusion. Doppelgangers can be mischievous and malicious.
EWWWWWWWWWW – now I’m skeered.
Kristin-in-SC,
And if you leave your drink for even a moment, to go to the restroom, to dance, or whatever, order another. Tosh it.
someone said that meant someone is impersonating simian
I swear my cats have seen Doppelgangers!
the primate is my reflection
You must be so attractive!
This case has been solved for a long time now. The holloways are still looking for their daughter because the aruban gov’t will not give them any information. I think that joran and papa messed up whether it be on accident or on purpose, I think that the surnamese brothers were at the wrong place at the wrong time, I think that steven croes is the witness, and I think that there might be one more witness, and many more people involved. I think aruba is keeping everything secret, because of all the speculations that can be made, which could ruin a person entirely. All I can say is the whole thing is a mess and I would so hope america will stand behind beth in this long endless journey. The whole situation is bs., and someone needs to put a big ol’ american boot in their as…. and I believe things will be resolved. It’s disturbing to know that a country that is not democratic has wild things in their country and tries to cover up most crime for the sake of tourism.
Doppelganger – gotta go
Yes, that is too important, never trust a drink that you have let out of your sight, even if just for a moment. It only takes a couple seconds to pour the popular HRD into a drink. Being odorless and tasteless, you would never know. It is better to pay for another drink then to pay for your life.
Does anyone know if we will still get the info @11
Here’s the worst thing, Ok the people that went in from texas search for only dead bodies…. hint hint, they know she’s dead, or are quite certain. The only other thing is she could be alive and is being held.
i am going to go watch the news…
i hope we find out answers tonight…
good luck everyone…
The Simian is sorry, but as long as there are impersonators there will be no more clues.
From what I had read, the Texas search team has an 85% success of finding the missing person(s) alive.
Simian?????????
Then again, you do not take cadaver dogs and sonar equipment to search for a living person.
I’m telling you that cadaver or however you spell it dogs are for sniffing out dead bodies.
Simian I have an Idea pls answer me
There is no way the moderators can stop the id theft?
edie:
This one’s more difficult, but I think he means that the Aruban police chief (Babylonians) cared only for the possible effect the NH incident would have on tourism and local economy. Sword of Damocles reference is sense of impending doom in one with power, police chief perhaps.
Did he think he could rule forever from hideaway, all gamblers knew who he was — I’m thinking again police chief or even Prime Minister.
BTW, I was also slipped a drugged drink years ago. I think it was probably intended for girl next to me at bar. I “walked” home and was hit by car, crushing side of face, surgery, etc… No joke. Be careful.
Ok, Lily has to sign off for now, but elder will be on. Thanks for everyone being so helpful, this is one of the most decent boards I have ever been on..
A friend of mine was also drugged not long ago while at a show. A guy asked her if she wanted a beer that his girlfriend did not want and no joke, not even 15 minutes later she was out of it and we had to leave to take her home.
Lily”
Cadaver is a dead body
Simian, you are very keen. Apologies if it is my previous post!
DanMar: Are the monkees in Aruba?
Bye, Lily.
A Doppelganger is a lookalike.
i have been lurking for days, i hope this is coming to end soon. i have been having nightmares also. my heart aches for nh family, i hope her parents will have peace soon. even when i am working i cannot get this off my mind.
DanMar: Is outer space Reihl?
I am still waiting to see if there will be new info @11 simian shock?
edie: Any news. No TV, here
No, Geraldo interviewing people. Same as always speculation of what happened. Papa is not cooperating.
They say he is being difficult to deal with. We expected this right?
Yep. Are you psychic, edie?
Because he’s an arrogant prick.
Not much new today… I tried reading all the post but doesn’t look like the texas people found anything yet. Did I miss something?
Simian, is this the person who was with Natalee earlier and had an air-tight alibi becuz he was hosting the party for some of the group that night? The one who liked Natalee and was jealous? I’m a bit confused about the one on Aruba and her old boyfriend in the S. Thoughts?
No, I am not psychic. I get intuitions sometimes de ja vu, and I have gotten wierd nervous feelings and something has been wrong. but doesnt everyone do that?
Maya who is the other guy? Is he from aruba?
edie … it’s a rumor… no arrests at 11
No breaking news on Headline News. It is just the same thing they have been asying for the past 6 hours or so.
New news comes to those who wait … Be patient!
Edie, yes. And nothing going on in the local news where I am at.
It has been almost a month, it is hard to be patient for much longer.
edie: We have exchanged some pleasantries, here. I don’t mean to be forward, but concentrate and tell me something about myself from any vibes I might be giving off. Not that I are a lawyer, which is probably obvious. Try it and let’s see.
sub-
Ive got nothing. I know you are obviously very intelligent.
Tomorrow, we’re searching the waters …
Well, thanks to my parents. I think you are a person who accepts help easily, is compassionate and non-judgmental — my sense is you are artistic — maybe a teacher of children, work or volunteer. What say?
they didnt find anything in the water today.. I hope the “cowboys” get evidence tomorrow.
Ok, I know this is going to get on everyone’s nerves b/c I am sure it has been explained before. so sorry in advance…. Shock, who are you? Why do you know so much? What do you mean by “we” are searching the waters? What am I missing?
Guys, I think the news at 1:00 comment was sarcasm. Many hours ago.
Very good Sub
Did they say where they searched in the water.
From the midwest, Ohio?
I am in school majoring in human services. Not for the money obviously but as a child advocate.
it showed them searching, they did not say where but they are using their equipment.
Ragalee: I don’t think Shock can answer those questions without jeapordizing her/himself.
I am on the island and am involved in the matter (which I can not disclose how I am involved). I am blogging to keep you informed as this case has captured the world.
Sub: that confuses me even more, but thx for responding. I guess I’ll just keep reading and see if I can figure it out. ????
Thank you for that Shock! Without that info we would go crazy!
Shock: I understand. Good luck to you and the others involved in the matter!
As I posted on a different thread on this site, I have been holding to the possibility that Natalee went amiss on her own like I had. I thought this to be a possibility as opposed to thinking the worst. It was not but a month or so ago that another girl was found after being missing for 7 years…by her own desire. My instincts are no longer allowing me to consider that. I do not know how to explain it but I almost feel a sense of peace, almost like I know that Natalee is now in Heaven.
Only doing my job. But thank you guys anyway.
I have not followed a case like I have followed this one since Laci Peterson
So….does everyone expect to hear new information say…on Monday? Or sooner?
Kristin-in-SC: My sense is that NH knows now that her parents will get some peace when story breaks and the VDSs and others (perhaps) are charged. Thus, your sense of peace. BTW, I really believe this stuff
Shock: If I could, I would send you a bunch of bananas!
You will wake up with news tomorrow morning … can’t elaborate, so please don’t ask.
People of high intelligence have a high level of sensitive awareness and just “know.”
And if we wake up to no factual news tomorrow what will be your comments then “Shock”?
Edie, I thought a couple of days ago Sim, in his usual cryptic way, implied that there was another guy on Aruba who liked Natalee, and possibly even had a scuffle with Joren (at the casino? or Carlos & Charlie’s?), and that he was involved, but that on the night in question, he was hosting a party for some of the B’ham group, so he had an alibi, and then there was some talk of friends lying for friends. But this was confusing because there was also tslk at the same time of a Tennessee boyfriend. I’m confusing myself just trying to explain it. Sim??
It won’t happen T K.
chimes: Not to be depressing, but so do people who have experienced great trauma over period of time, like abused children, from being hyperaware for their own safety. Interesting studies out on this, I hear.
TK-
Shock is reliable
ok. I will look forward to tomorrow then. Thanks.
TK: Ditto on edie’s opinion
Sub: LOL thanks, but they would only make me constipated, which I don’t need at a time like this.
My feelings are that if she was in fact dumped into the ocean, then recovery would be virtually impossible if even a few miles out into the ocean. Between sharks, crabs, fish and other creatures, there would nothing left but bones?
Kristin in SC
What about Laci Peterson? She was recovered. Well, Partially but recovered
good point, Edie
If you need clarification or confirmation, I was the one who told in crypt that “DADDY VDS” would be arrested by simply stating “the PIMPle is about to pop”…
I think Shock means he judge from Carasau (sp.?) is bringing the dna evidence from the Hague tomorrow, and then they will be charged t the hearing. Am I warm?
What was that moderator line?
nice analogy. lol
goodnight everyone….hope news will await in a.m.
night, scared
Quite possible, however …..
sub, I concur. people can connect so much when there is direct experience(s.) i might say that i’ve been in one of those studies, but i am also an artist and musician and am extremely sensitive to the visual and to listening.
Let me go prepare for your morning news ….. Good night all!
chimes: fascinating. Seems to me most people interested enough to stay this involved share similarities. I think that the heightened sensitivity is, in some ways, a gift to compensate for the trauma. Yin/yang type thing.
Shock, after it is all over, will you reveal your identity and position?
I think Shock is in the news biz and has confidential sources. “Just doing my job”
Speaking of being in the news, did someone say Greta went home, left Aruba?
Ragalee: Thought I heard that. Pretty telling fact.
edie: Out there?
Ragalee:
No
Sub:
No
Ok no news tonight, if there is no news tomorow morning, Ill check tomorrow afternoon, if not tommorow night if not monday morning………..if not, tuesday…..
Boutcher:
Have you read this thread from the beginning? Lots of good info.
edie went to mcdonalds she is on her way back, she said give her a few minutes and will be back on here
So true Boutcher….so very true…..
subdude
I read the thread from beginning… I didn’t see any good info. Just people guessing still.
Sub: If everything is about to “come out”, I cannot believe Greta would leave. She has been so involved, one would think she would want to see it through and be the first to make any new announcements. I think it is odd that Greta left, if that is true…
For some reaon I was thinking Shock was a polis
i believe greta only left for a couple of days and will be back maybe tomorrow or monday
I feel a couple more arrests as well. I feel that there is more to come in the way of shocking news. Maybe, Jaime, Brenton,Valentjin. There is an area of rocks either bunched together or lined like in a wall. Many, many hermit crabs reside here. A tree of different dimensiond or history. Please find Natalie. She is there.
I am wupped.
Shock: Thanks so much. Wish the news was happier, but at least some peace, now.
chimes: charmed.
candee: tell edie I said goodnight. Her vibe is strong and clear. The kids are lucky to have her.
To all others: Thanks for sharing this experience with me. “See” you tomorrow.
Well the San Francisco Bay is a not open water like the Caribbean Sea with the same type of tidal currents. They said that the fact that Laci’s body was even recovered was nothing short of a miracle. I am no marine biologist but I would think that the colder waters of the SF Bay would not host the same types of fish/crabs/sharks as the warmer Caribbean Sea and that considering that the average depth of the Caribbean Sea is 7,300 ft while the SF Bay is less then 200ft deep?
Bye sub.
Shock, thank you … rest, be well, and good night to you. Sub, and, thank you. I am very happy that a ‘gift’ was returned to me. Everyone’s similarities here seem to have attract one another here. it’s amazing. i used to host dive trips to the neighboring island Bonaire, one of my favorite places that i have ever traveled to. i love the islands and there is so many questions, per our loyal, Shock, that will most likely be answered soon.
Has shockedthemonkey told you anything other than dangling the carrot and promise for tomorrow. I agree with whoever said he is a reporter.
He responded “no” when someone mentioned is was with the press.
thank you shock , goodnight sub
Shock could be a woman for all we know. but i doubt it
What does “Your comment is waiting moderation” mean. Oh, you know what? Maybe it’s because I used the “C” word. That was happening yesteday.
But, really, does it mean that the hosts are deciding whether to let a post on the board? Just curious.
I keep thinking some kind of law inforcement. but he did say doing his job… who knows.
I must of missed some of his/her post because I didn’t see any real new news. Please update what I missed.
i used the c word = a place for gambeling and it said waiting for moderation
Simian knows a lot also…. I wonder where he is getting his info
What’s the C word so I’ll know not to use it. Can you describe it without posting it?
a place to gamble
duh…..I got it. That is odd.
Well CNN has an update on their website that basically repeats much of what we already know as well as a quote from Tim Miller of EquuSearch “”I feel very, very optimistic that we are going to take Natalee back to Alabama where she belongs,” Miller said.”"
Every time I see the Missing poster of her I begin t cry. This is just so sad and to think that this happens every single day but only because of the determination of her mother, does it receive any attention.
A comment totally ignored(not heard) on the Geraldo show this evening( Sat..June 25)
Someone was being interviewed by Geraldo… he said he knew Mr PaulosVDS (dad) as he had recently come to him asking what position he was qualified for, as his application to be a judge was REJECTED !
No wonder this man is sweating..his world is falling apart!
The big question? WHY ? Was there anything found in his background that would preclude him from being a judge( slimy connections with porn, slave trade,illegal gambling, etc etc).It is obvious he was above the law in boldly allowing his underage son to drink, gamble and drive on the island.. There must be powers to be that protected him…WHY>? Who is checking this …?
A2
Kristin SC, brrrrr to the SF Bay waters!!! the ABC islands are, I believe, 21 degrees north of the equator. for the most part, the waters are aqua blue with great visibility, and obviously, much warmer. Aruba is known for the beaches, Curacao for its shopping and Bonaire for its diving. Many coral reefs around. My sense is that the “Cowboys” are very focused and will succeed somehow either via land or water unless the “sound barrier” is broken.
Good night All
..so papa VDS also a pimp.. drug war lord,etc…. either mom is in denial, blind, or accepting of all….
I do hope Samian /others correct in foresight.. re Sunday am in Aruba… I have always wondered if the body was not found when it was leaked weeks ago? Also wondered if the Police/Official who stated “I can not do that..he is my best friends son.” has been ferrying information between papa and Joran…. a seemingly very corrupt gang of elevated hoodlums…. Agree, Mrs Twitty was not in her hopfeul mood on Geraldo… her face was very taught… MR Twitty was angered..his body language..hands on hips the entire time…
Okay so one last post for me…..then I too will goand watch the news for this revelation spoke of here….
I just thought I might throw in a few pieces of info I have remembered from tracking this….
first…a friend of natalees…as they left the bar discribed Nat and Joran walking with them, and that Nat suggested that she was going with a group just ahead of them, the group also being on the graduation trip.
That for some reason two security guards, totally unrelated to anything were arrested and held for three days, but after the brothers were picked up and held in SAME place as guards, the brothers recanted and then said they took joran and nat to marriot beach, after they had been necking in the back of the car.
brothers also said the joran said he would call them when he got home….but never called.
Nat didnt show up for flight…her bag and passport found in room….
whne nats parents arrived…they found out on their own enough info to find who nat had been last seen with and it was their info that started the actual investigations…
we know that joran admitted that he was a the beach with her…but left her there. and we know that the original three were free to move about for three days before they were brought under real suspicion by the aruban athorities.
We know the vander sloots home was searched and things confiscated, in cluding cars.
and we know that a party boat DJ is being held. and now vandersloot SR.
NOW…what I dont understand….
that no one saw nat get into a car…noone?
that no one on a beach populated by tourist near hotels saw anything suspicious IF they were in fact there…
that noone whould have noticed a womans body being taken from a beach to a car…
or loaded onto a boat , a party boat no less….
or according to some posts here stashed into the speakers of a blue van….
or acording to other posts here….transfered repeatedly from one vanersloot car to another then to a boat then dumped over board…
Now what I can see…I have posted my personal senerio speculations a few times on this site…
and as I listen to the blodging going on my mind can figure a few different senerios for sure.
But I can tell you that it comes acroos as totally blind stupid, tha anyone would target a woman who is knowing going home and from an affluent family the night before her return and after openly being seen with her.
If sr vandersloot is directly involved with her disappearance…and my thoughts run wild with this…that HE is evil personified and must have someone of authority watching his back for him to thinkhe too could get away with such an act under the above circumstances. and that somewhere in the past this has happened before. MRS vandersloot being in Holland????this is what raises my questions if in fact she was….thisis the ony place Ihave seen this…
NOw for the arubian hook up here on this site….for the sake of my sanity…..tell me…no reasure me….that any of this so called leaking and whispering of info…wont jepordize the case… if it just locals speculation…then why be so cryptive…if not sensationalizing the case further….
IAM THANKFUL for the info..if it is true and correct… dont get me wrong….
I have much apperciated reading the posts …it is why I came in here…
but ifin fact this case isnt close to being solved…I do not understand the searches being so specifically localized…a grid for a 20 mile long isle shouldnt be that amazingly difficult
and Dna confirmation doesnt have to take weeks in this day and age.
with dna they can speculate probability, depending on the type of sample….. but it does not prove anything….
I am surprised the media in this country(USA) hasnt persued other info…or maybe they have, I havent seen it….but like things discussed in here….like this is what the beaches look like at night…these are the local and tourist hangouts….this is what an aruban cab looks like…..these are all things realted to nat but at the same time…not specific to nats disappearance…..and might give us in the US an idea of how hard or easy it might be for something like this to occur on aruba and dificulty of investigations…..
well oh well…good night again…..blessings on all in search of natalie….
Personnally I believe that SHOCK THE MONKEY is the psychic who made the prediction and was trashed on this page and anther blog and said she was going to retract it. If you read Shock the monkey its almost exactly the same prodiction. Take what shock the monkey has with a grain of salt in my opinion.
prediction…. sorry bout the spelling there
I found the lyrics to this song by Tracy Lawernce thought I would post it here for Natalee and her family. It brought tears to my eyes listening to it.
He was sitting’ there, his brush in hand
Painting’ waves as they danced, upon the sand
With every stroke, he brought to life
The deep blue of the ocean, against the morning’ sky
I asked him if he only painted ocean scenes
He said for twenty dollars, I’ll paint you anything
Could you Paint Me A Birmingham
Make it look just the way I planned
A little house on the edge of town
Porch going’ all the way around
Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For a while she’ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A Birmingham
He looked at me, with knowing eyes
Then took a canvas from a bag there by his side
Picked up a brush, and said to me
Son just where in this picture would you like to be
And I said if there’s any way you can
Could you paint me back into her arms again?
Could you Paint Me A Birmingham
Make it look just the way I planned
A little house on the edge of town
Porch going’ all the way around
Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For a while she’ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A Birmingham
Paint Me A Birmingham
Make it look just the way I planned
A little house on the edge of town
Porch going’ all the way around
Put her there in the front yard swing
Cotton dress make it, early spring
For a while she’ll be, mine again
If you can Paint Me A Birmingham
Oh paint me a Birmingham
it’s been a very interesting forum tonight!…simian especially….in my opinion, joran has a narcissistic personality..as a result of being raised to think he’s the center of the universe…combined with the bad seed ( with such a father…& such a doting mother)… a narcissistic person can seem to have two personalities, can go from being charming & calm one second, to raging & violent in the next moment …this transition can be exacerbated by alcohol & is frightening to witness…i know because i was married to such a man… (.this is also a description of scott peterson, come to think of it.)
Like father like son……Momma VDS exhibits traits of a victim of domestic violence.. son grows up seeing daddy do it, so its ok and the cycle continues
diana,
well I was married to your ex’s sister so I know what your are saying
Everyone pls read the song lyrics above and tell me what you think thanks…………..
My take on this situation is that Joran symbolizes an international disdain for Americans (US) and disrespect for women through his (probable) violence towards Natalee.
Lily, the lyrics are touching. If we could only paint the reality.
Thanks chimes
Well, it’s my time to phase out until we meet again. Take care, all, and perhaps we’ll touch base later on today.
rtq & justin…yes & yes….the narcissistic person does not suffer from guilt…he is entitled!…& is only sorry if he is caught..(shades of o.j.)…this would explain joran’s ability to lie & lie…no guilt!…because of his personality disorder…(& scott peterson continues to deny all…remember all of his incredible lies)….
Lilly, you are retarded
@Diana
You know a lot about Joran whitout ever meeting him. Would you please
shut your big mouth…. Judging without knowing is horrible.
That;’s what’s making the place today as it is: not sticking to facts but
just let your fantasy take you away……. brrrrrr
Aware, Paul vdS studied in Netherlands to become a judge and didnt pass the test.
I’m up : no news yet. Lord, have mercy on us!
Anythng new?
Gare de Nord: get off this forum you FAKE PHONEY FRAUD. People know Joran’s personality makeup by listening to the news and the news has interviewed people ON HIS PERSONALITY
Just watching the news and…………………………NO news YET………..
but I am confident that we ll hear the big *news* this…………………month……
HO HO update……..
breaking news…………………………….they still search for Natalee………..
no new update from DEEP TROAT this morning?????
is this happening now in live time. dont know how it all works yet? they just reported croes will go free tomorrow.
so much for all those who said that one off the brothers will be released. Croes will be let out tomorrow at 1pm. So who took her out in the boat then? What is going on ppl.
father is going free as well. HORRIBLE. Can’t belive they are letting him go. makes me sick.
I hope and pray for Natalie, but I fear she might be dead. I was reading these blogs that have been great at reporting the Holloway case and I had a nightmare last night. It was as if I was Natalie, but also looking on. There was a powdered substance that was yellow. I somehow knew in the dream then that drugs were involved. Very convoluted, I know, but that was my dream.
I just saw the news and now the Texans are searching the sea with sonar.
what an awful dream! They knew all along they woudl be searching with sonar when the trip started. Hopefully she will be found alive but if she has met foul play it woudl be better, I assume for her family that she be found. This entire situation with her missing has just touched my heart and she is not even someone I know,
yeah like the situation in Iraq touched my heart too. and I don’t even know those people.. it must be horrible there
Boy you guys are really getting off the subject here… remember Natalee Holloway
I found the two other sites that the “psychic” Miraclist whined about in her retraction. In short, she seems to be whining for no reason at all. One of the blogs she blamed for her retraction took her down pretty thoroughly, including an analysis of her predictions.
All in all, Miraclist is just another lame phony (not really a shock). Check it out.
http://www.twopercentco.com/rants/archives/2005/06/a_letter_to_mir.html
Do NOT beleive the brians prediction web site. it is a SCAM, he changes his prediction after news hits…see the following link.
http://www.syzygyjob.net/dreams/messages/70322.shtml