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Yesterday the parents of the Dutch teen, Joran van der Sloot, claimed their son was innocent. What else would one expect the parents to say? Joran’s parents said, “he is innocent, adding that they don’t know how to deal with this “big nightmare.” Nightmare? If this is a nightmare for you what would you describe it as for the Holloway and Twitty families?
For the full story from The Birmingham News: Dutch youth’s parents think he’s innocent
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — The parents of a Dutch youth held in the disappearance of an Alabama teen said Wednesday they believe he is innocent, adding that they don’t know how to deal with this “big nightmare.”
Paul van der Sloot, a judicial official whose 17-year-old son has been arrested in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, offered his first public statements since Holloway vanished three weeks ago, telling Fox News: “I still believe my son. It’s all very hard.”
Joran van der Sloot and two friends were arrested 10 days after Holloway, 18, went missing on May 30. Police say Joran van der Sloot met Holloway at a casino two days earlier. They say the three young men testified that they took her from a popular restaurant to a beach, where the Dutch boy and Holloway were kissing in the back of the car, then dropped her at the Holiday Inn where she was staying around 2 a.m.
Fox News had an exclusive interview with the the parents of Joran van der Sloot where Joran’s mom stated, “It’s a Nightmare for Us, Too.”
The parents of Joran van der Sloot say their son is a drug-free honors student who has nothing to do with the disappearance of missing Alabama high school student Natalee Holloway.
“We still believe in Joran,” said his father, Paul van der Sloot.
In an exclusive interview with FOX News’ Greta Van Susteren, the van der Sloots said that their prayers were with the family of 18-year-old Alabama woman who vanished in Aruba. Anita van der Sloot, the Dutch suspects mother, was wearing a bracelet that said “Hope for Natalee,” which she received from Natalee’s mother.
But the pair stressed that they also were going through an ordeal.
“It’s a nightmare for us, too,” said Anita van der Sloot, whose son, 17, is in jail in connection with the disappearance.
I am sure it is Mrs. van der Sloot but do not even think of comparing your grief to that of the Holloway and Twitty families. One of the only clear true facts in this case that is indisputable is that you son Joran is one of three people to last ever been seen with Natalee Holloway. The claim that Natalee was dropped off at the Holiday Inn afterward is even been disputed and changed. It has even been reported that the father, Paul van der Sloot had told his son not to say anything about the situation which prompted the Aruban police to question him as a witness for two days last weekend.
The parents further went to talk about their son’s treatment while he is in jail.
Sometimes too emotional to speak, Anita described how prison guards were putting “a lot of pressure” on Joran during interrogations, some of which lasted “10 hours.”
The questioners did “things like calling him ‘psychopath, murderer, tell us where you buried the girl. You’re a criminal. I can’t beat you, but if I could beat you I would do this.’ … Extreme things,” said Anita.
EXTREME!!! EXTREME!!! What in God’s name do you call the totally vanishing without a trace of a teenager on vacation in Aruba where you were one of only three people to have last seen her? What is probably more extreme in this case in they eyes of many is that your son was not questioned and detained from the very outset of this investigation. That your house was not searched and property seized by authorities immediately instead of allowing him to walk in what was stated as a “tactical maneuver.”
The Van der Sloot’s can claim all they want that this is a nightmare; however, in the grand scope of things there is no comparison. All your son needs to do is tell the truth and come clean as to what happened. Something that has yet to be done according to many media reports with the three suspects ever changing stories.
More from MSNBC: Suspect in Aruba: ‘I don’t know anything’
His mom says he had no reason to harm missing Alabama teen
The mother of a Dutch teen held in the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway told NBC News on Thursday that she’s convinced her son is telling the truth when he says he knows nothing about her disappearance.
Video from MSNBC Today Show video with Matt Lauer.
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It certainly took them forever to stand up for their son. NO PARENT I KNOW WOULD REACT THIS WAY, IF THEY BELIEVED WHAT THEY SAY. I only hope the justice system over there can win out over all of the lies. I mean, the kid is good at lying, it seems to be natural for him. But then, look who taught him. Unbelievable.
I think the questioning of those suspects(?) should be EXTREME…..The Sopranos had a great way of finding out true facts..beat the piss out of them until they tell the truth and then execute them
Especially when the mother said I have my son the Holloway’s don’t have their daughter.
Did anyone hear when they said the step father went to the school and the head master of the school said somthing about Natalee drowning. How would he know.
San
where did you hear this?
Does anyone know further what was on their son’s computer?
I’m appalled by his parent’s statements. If he has an alibi let’s hear it.
If he doesn’t have an alibi, then parents please don’t insult the world.
Did anyone see the angel that Mrs vdS had with NH prayer card under it. If she really believed NH just ran away and caused all thisTROUBLE for her slimy husband and son,she would not have this angel and NH card under it. That’s the last person she would want to look at. This speaks volumes as to what she really believes. She knows her son killed NH
mc,
Greta interviewed the mother and father of Joran last night and she also had an interview with the step father of Natalee. I caught that right away when those two things were mentioned. My sister who has not been paying attention to the story as much as I have said she thought it was strange also.
Silly and emotional comments in this lead article. Of course it is a nightmare for the parents. Why can they not say this? Sure, the nightmare for NH’s family is greater, but it is still a nightmare for this family also, and they have every right to say so!
Johan,
I really don’t care about how his family feels. How do you know they aren’t lying about that too?. This sympathy spin really makes me angry. All I want to hear from any of them is the truth and I think the more they say, the more “pieces” of truth they expose.
mc – how do you know their son is guilty and why do you assume his parents are lying? As long as the truth is not out, I consider this family innocent. And if they are innocent, then it’s clearly a nightmare for them.
Jumper cables get answers quick too
I totally agree with Johan, the van der sloot’s have a right to say that it’s been a nightmare. I’m sure it has been adn they said, that they are sure it’s worse for the holloways. The father is really quite because that’s how dutch people are they are more quiet and teh mom is a sweetheart. I know JVDS know something, of course he does but I don’t think anyone should assume that his family is involved in covering up.
@mc:
It’s understandable that Americans identify and sympathize with the girl and her family, but that doesn’t justify the very strong bias seen on these boards. Facts and rumors are consistently interpreted in the most positive way for the Holloways and in the most negative way possible for the Vandersloots. That is both unrealistic and unfair. I will not add to all the senseless assumptions and speculation, but to quote a Dutch proverb, ‘truth is somewhere in the middle’ and when this case is resolved, I think a lot of people will have to eat crow. American girls are no angels, certainly not on the last day of a tropical vacation in which they celebrate the successful ending of a stressful final school year, and Dutch boys are no monsters, especially not when they have all that one could hope for and live a happy life.
Nobody said “AMERICAN GIRLS ARE ANGELS”, I will be the first to admit that I certainly am not, however, JVDS was the last known person to be seen with Natalee, why isn’t he talking, and when he does why do his stories change? Why has it taken his parents so long to come public in his defense? As a parent I would have been right there defending my son from the beginning if I thought he was innocent. Silence speaks volume……
Remember one thing – If Joran was in the US he would have not been in custody. There is no evidence against him and the police here would not have been able to hold him for that long unless the charged him. Charge him for what? Suspicion that he is lying?
Ari- This true…I completely agree with you. But…in the US he would have talked by now too…the boat and cars would have been searched long ago-the US also wouldn’t have waited 10 days before bringing him in for questioning, there are alot of differences in the way Aruba does things compared to the way the US does things.
‘there is no comparison’ ??? Indeed there isn’t, the way you gringos are dealing with this matter, while in Alabama alone there are more than 50 persons missing, vanished, disappeared from this planet…. about comparison….
Hey all of you self cetnered jerks who don’t have a heart listen up. Yes a beautiful young girl is missing. Her family is hurting. We have all heard this for almost the past month. But Jorans family might be hurting too. Wouldn’t you all feel completely terrible if he didn’t do anything or he was covering for someone in fear for his safety. You don’t know what the heck happened or who is guilty or not so you should all stop slandering people and get over your selves. If he did do anyhting to the poor girl he will pay. His family is allowed to suffer. Stop being so selfish and so instantigating. There is more in this world than accusing people and bashing them. God did not put us on the earth to hurt eachother. No one but the Aruban Polis know the facts. Who are each and everyone of you to pointing our fingers? WE don’t know any facts. What the media tells us is nothing to go off of. So grow up and stop being so petty. Even if he is guilty his parents are allowed to feel hurt and betrayed!
SJO – in this case silence does not speak volumes because this is a Dutch family. In Holland it’s very uncommon for relatives to come forward on television stations commenting about a case which is still under investigation. It’s just a difference between the US and Holland. I think it’s very positive of this family to confront US camera teams at their front door, invite the victim’s mother and a reporter in, and talk with them at such length. I’ve only seen speculation on why the parents should be involved.
If it turns out Joran and family are innocent I hope the people who added their hateful comments will apoplogize and start to worry about their own way of thinking.
Kay: what is “instantigating”?
are you illiterate or just an alien?
I don’t think Joran is innocent. I think he’s a spoiled punk
Of course they are not going to say “MY SON IS GUILTY, IT’S SO OBVIOUS! ” He’s in there for a reason. They are keeping him there for a reason. Of course the parents are hurting – but a lot of their hurt is probably the realization that their son is guilty & is going to remain behind bars (or better yet, does Aruba carry out the death penalty?) for the rest of his life and their family name has been tarnished.
I have a 17 yr old son….I know how his parents feel. I feel bad for their hurt. Especially the mother’s pain. They do have a right to express it. But I also have a teen daughter & can’t IMAGINE the pain Beth Twitty is going thru!!!
BhamNativeGirl, just like the rest of the civilized world (with 1 notable exception), Aruba does not have the death penalty.
Can someone verify this for me. A friend of mine said that once they put a body in the water in Aruba that I will never turn up. They said because it is about 1,000 feet down and they will not find it. They said it is not like the United States where the body eventually turns up.
Hey guys, on the real anything could of happend to NH. I also hope she turns up, if even if its bad or good. She could be anywhere. I know Aruba is not that big, compared to other islands, but to for us standing on that island, its big. Yeah, those boys know something, because they were the last ones with her and the way they change their story. Lets see what will happen.
A little off the subjust but when dealth penalty came up, I wanted to ask; I work in medicine and see people die everyday that are waiting for hearts, kidneys, ect. I have become a firm believer that if a person is guilty without a reasonable doubt, and are sentenced to die, they should let a team of surgeons go in, and take every last piece of their body they can use for transplants to save others. Some people think I’m sick and twisted but if we are going to kill people on death row, why not save some lives by taking what we can. Every time a person on death row dies, they take the possibility of saving over 20 lives with them.
No San, if a corpse is thrown in the water, it will rise eventually. The only problem is the current. The currents in that area near Marriott is very strong. Anything thrown in the waters there would get swept far out. In other areas of the island, when illegals try to come ashore but don’t make it and die in the water, their bodies get washed up. It depends where.
On another note, I don’t know what happened – no one knows yet. We can all point fingers, blame JvdS because after all he is the last person as far as we know it to have seen NH, but consider for one second in the slightest imaginable that he is after all not involved … his parents believe him. You might say, of course they would. So then why crucify them for believing in their son? It is not realistic. Maybe JvdS is the most callous teenager ever to walk the earth but then again maybe he is just a victim of being in the wrong place, with the wrong person at the wrong time. Let’s just all take a deep breath and see where this investigation takes us.
Daniel
What is this dutch boys are no monsters, especially not when they have all that one could hope for and live a happy life???? The truth will come out and one or all three of those suspects didnt feel that they were living such a happy life or they would not by lying and sitting in a prison…Doesnt matter if an american girl is no angel, the fact is that one or all of those guys did something to/with her….get a grip…
Bickering is not helping anything. Last night people were discussing that maybe police or Natalee and Jorans familys may look at this blog, because it is so informative. I know i would. So can we PLEASE try to keep it as positive as possible. Just dont be so harsh and hatefull. This is about FINDING NATALEE, and obtaining facts… something else to keep in your prayers (or thoughts) http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/23/missing.children.ap/index.html
I think it is unfair to say that the feelings of Jorans parents can not be compared with the feelings of nathalies parents. ofcourse, it is a different feeling when your child is missing, or when your child is quentioned for murder, but don’t forget that whatever happened, it is not the fault of the parents!!! I believe that the Van der Sloots are in as much pain about what happens now, as are the parents of Nathalie.
And I agree with the mother of Joran, that a 17 year old boy would have already talked in a matter of days if I knew something. The pressure is so high, no guilty 17 year old would be able to resist.
Let us please stop judging people before we know what happened to Nathalie and before we know who did what.
I’m with Natalee’s parents. I feel very optimistic that she is alive. How could you not? I admire the entire families strength and determination and especially Beth Twitty. That woman is remarkable and she is why I think this case will get solved. I just don’t think she will ever get off that island until she has her daughter.
I agree Morgan….too many people involved. And Beth Twitty still going back to the same thing – there are more involved. When she spoke with the VDS’s she said they ‘confirmed’ what she thought all along. It points to a timeframe – between 1 and 4 I believe. Is that when Joran got home? Hmmmmm
She deserves the mother of the year award just for her determination.
To Morgan:
I think that’s an excellent idea! Are death row prisoners currently given the option of being organ donors? Does anyone know? Harvesting their viable organs, with or without consent, is the best idea I’ve heard in a long time…
Rock on Sister/Brother!
I heard that Joran’s dad picked him up from somewhere, I don’t remember where, at 11:00 pm and took him home. Joran confessed to sneaking out later and going to carlos n’ charlies. What I want to know is if he is a good and honest boy like his mother says, why is he sneaking out? At this point I don’t know if he’s involved or not. On the one hand he seems to have so many positive things going for him, but on the other hand, why is he changing his story.
As the saying goes, “The truth shall set you free” Even if he is guilty, and can’t be set free, at least he did the right thing by telling the truth.
Bias ~
How can the Duth/Arubans say what would happen in the US? Laws vary from state to state, and yet, federal laws protect all. We are a large region composed of many nationalities. We must be tolerant of differences. WE can not be ethnocentric.
You like our money; we feed your lifestyle, but obviously you love to hate us. What is really going on here?
Natalee is a human being. She could be ANY mother’s child. While respecting the rights and dignities of all parties, let’s work together to find this girl.
If the Aruban system proves antiquated or ineffective, they will learn they need to fix it. Probably a damaged tourist industry might be their teacher. It is not our business to criticize; it is our business to pressure Arubans to do what is right and find the truth about Natalee.
To washington, dc,
Thanks for that! I don’t think that’s an idea that has even been crossed. I can’t for the life of me understand why people aren’t donors but especially when you have people on death row that can save innocent life. It’s something I’m trying to research and really would like to get it going in congress.
B
Any more news on the search in Noord?
what is going on is not something usual for aruba
as in the states,which let’ be serious happens EVERY day, those 3 boys look like they can not even kill a fly, People don’t panic the truth will come out and everyone will be shocked. And let’s be serious she was on a catamaran boat drinking from the afternoon already & then went to party at carlos & charlies , her friends need to stop lying on fox news that she wasn’t drinking.
Sorry, typo on my part. The “B” means nothing.
I have hope that Nat is alive. New information just heard from FOX NEWS: Joran keeps changing his story and is implicating his friends (Kalpoe brothers). 2 of the 7 FBI investigators are coming back to the US. Authorities are going to hold the 4 suspects for another 8 days. It was said by his mother that Joran has said that the Polis have been asking him where he buried the body? Was it an accident? And other questions trying to get him to confess to where Nat might be. No evidence that Nat was sold.
Denise,
I watched an interview with 2 of her friends and neither one of them deny she was drinking. One of her friends, who was a girl, said she asked Natalee before she left if she was fine, and Natalee responded saying she was fine. Where I don’t hold any of the kids or chaperones at fault, I just want to know, why would you let a friend leave alone? What if the boys got mad at her and kicked her out of the car? She could have been stranded on a strange island at 2 in the morning, without a cell phone, and had no idea how to get back to her hotel! That’s why I don’t understand why anyone would let a girl get into a car with 3 guys who are near stangers in a foreign country and have no idea where they are going. It baffles me!
changing his story???? Again??? If he doesn’t want to get interrogated, then he needs to fess up along with the others and the stories need to be consistent. They’ve changed quite a few times already let alone the 10 days they had to collaborate each other’s stories before they were arrested.
Morgan,
2 of Nat’s friends left a little after 12 and they said that she wasn’t drinking. Which I am sure that they are just trying to make it look good on Nat, but we know how teenagers can be when parents aren’t around! Not to say that Nat would leave with 3 guys that she didn’t know at all. Something had to be sad or done for her to leave with Joran, and the Kalpoe brothers. If she told her friends that she was fine when they left, then she could have had something slipped into her drink or she could have been forced. But, I still don’t understand how her friends could have let her get in a car with the boys. I am sure that Nat wasn’t the only one out of 123 teenagers that was still at c n’ c when she left. Someone had to have seen something.
I do agree with you about the whole situation where Joran was picked up by his father at 11 and then snook out of the house and went to c n’ c. Joran had told the group while they were all at the blackjack tables that it wasn’t that busy on Sundays, so why did he end up there? If hardly anyone goes there, why did he and the Kalpoe brothers go? He must have known that the group would go and be there.
This is my take:
“He (Joran) had the most condescending, arrogant, somewhat powerful attitude of any 17-year-old male I have ever seen.” as per Beth Twitty.
It would be EASY for him to hold out during questioning. We only have the word of the police they are tough questioning him. Isn’t the Chief of Police the fathers’ good friend? This makes me wonder.
No physical evidence because they had 10 days to destroy it, after they put suspicion on the two security guards. Were the 3 tailed by police or helped? Hmmmmm.
The guards were arrested, video shows no return of Natalee to hotel, guards released. Evidence gone forever. Clever, very clever. I think the police were in on the cover-up also.
Suspects changed to different stories so the case doesn’t get solved. Advice from lawyers?
The government of Aruba doesn’t want this case solved, period. Would be best for their tourism. No body, no evidence, no confession, no case. After so many days, case closed and everyone released. Only God will know what happened……….
Denise, Natalee and her friends were outside C & C getting cabs back to the hotel. Everyone was getting into the cabs and they had all discussed the fact they were going back to the hotel. Natalee walked up to the cab to get in, the boyz drove up (this is the same boy, her own age, from a supposed good family and the friends saw Natalee move from the cab to the car that the boys were in. Joran probably said “Natalee, ride with us, we’ll take you to the hotel” Natalee’s intention was to go to the hotel – all the garbage you’re hearing about kissing, sex, dark side to Natalee is coming from the boys – the ones trying to avoid a murder charge – they will say anything.
Hind sight is always 20/20 – I would bet money that (before this case happened) 90% of you would have fallen for the same trap at her age. People love to criticize and condemn someone else when they have not walked in their shoes.
Every time you open your front door or walk in a public parking lot etc, you’re risking abduction. The public reaction is always “well that person should have known better than to open the door to a stranger” Hind sight is always 20/20. What are you going to do..not open the door to the post man? Not open the door to the girl scout or boy scout selling cookies?
I think her own friends did somthing and they know why she left with Joran and the 2 bros. Something happened to her and it freaked them out and now they are scared. I just think her friends know more to this story. Someone has to know…one of them girl has to be her bestfriend and we all know how best friends are they just cover up for each other.
Michael – I totally agree and have posted the same opinion on this board many times. Aruba does not benefit from solving this case.
I definitely feel this is a big cover up by the police.
They know where Nat is and they know what happened to her. They just don’t want to go to jail for the rest of their lives for this. They are scared of the out come of what will happen when the truth comes out. Joran I think is more scared, b/c he was the last one with Nat and he knows that if she is found, alive then she will tell what really happened. If worse, if her body is found, they will find evidence that he did something to her. If he took her to the beach….they made out, got hot and heavy, probably had sex, went into the ocean fora swim….if he lost her and it was honestly an accident, why not just say so. If they were swimming and the current being as strin as it is, could have come over her with her being intoxicated, and washed her away. But, apparently something more happened and he is trying to hide the truth for as long as he can, to save his own ass.
Logan – the friends do not know anything – they last saw Natalee getting into a cab – then she turned and got in the car with Joran – supposedly on the way to the hotel -
Your opinion is far fetched and completely unsubstantiated
Emily,
That is so weird! If she was drinking why are her friends covering for her? She was in a country where she was legal to drink so it’s not like it’s a crime. And if you are drunk, it’s no excuse for others to cause you harm. I agree with you, out of all those students, no one noticed anything?
I have heard that Joran had a large gambling debt and in other countries, debts can be forgotten if they are paid in other ways. I have a hard time believing in sex slavery and all, but I find it amazing that Natalee has vanished, along with Amy Bradley, the girl that went missing 7 years ago, and they can find nothing. Rumors or facts, I’m not even going to try and pretend like I know, I just hope this case gets solved.
From what I understand, Natalee’s close-knit group of friends left BEFORE she did (around midnight). They said there were a lot of people waiting for a taxi and it was only discovered later that Natalee wasn’t among them.
This wasn’t an accident – or 4 men would not have been involved in lies from the beginning. I believe Natalee is dead – that is why they have held out so long for interrogation. The is no plea bargain over there – none of them has anything to gain by telling the truth – by holding out, no charges can be pressed and they have to be released. I believe they murdered her and are sticking out their 116 days and Aruba government is helping to cover it up.
All foreign countries are the same – they hate Americans, they only want our money and they will say and do anything to get it.
current as strong as it is….sorry
There are 10 people that saw her turn from the cab and get into the car with Joran – everyone was returning to the hotel. No one knows why she stepped away from the cab and got into the car with Joran – but I already posted my opinion on that above.
Bham- We don’t know that. They may or may not know anything. It could be a possibilty that they do know and WE don’t know that. Just because the friends got into a cab doesn’t mean that they don’t know anything.
Johan,
I really don’t care about how his family feels. How do you know they aren’t lying about that too?. This sympathy spin really makes me angry. All I want to hear from any of them is the truth and I think the more they say, the more “pieces” of truth they expose>>>
Nobody know anything, but we shouldn’t blaim on any of the sides.
They try to protect their kids. Anita seemed to me honest and showed real tears, but I don’t know….
It really hard for me to believe a boy from such a good family and a good student would kill somebody.Sometimes I think that the 3 boys overdosed her, but they actually didn’t want to , and then “something abd happened” to her and they didn’t know what to do and got into a deeper sh*t.
Morgan,
Her friends probably just don’t want her or themselves to look bad towards their parents and family. Even though, it is legal for them to drink there, Nat was supposedly a good girl that had a good head on her shoulders. I know that teenagers aren’t always as perfect as they seem. When I was growing up I hid a lot of things from my parents and I was an honor student and had a lot going for me. But, sometimes teenagers don’t want their parents knowing everything that they do.
Read this article “Caribbean Sex-Trafficking Threatens Women on Vacation” at:
http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=111&mode=&order=0&thold=0
It mentions “spotters,” people who target certain women for the sex slave trade. Bartenders then drug their drinks to make them easy for transport to brothels and the like. The article also mentions people in the US (lawyers, etc.) who are well aware of this problem in the Caribbean. Amy Bradley’s “admirers” (the crew on the cruise ship) wanted to take her to the same bar Natalee was last seen leaving, but she told her mother that that was too creepy for her.
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Bham,
It might be true, but do you know why?
Logan – Yes – I know the friends do not know anything.
I’m not going to argue with you, your accusations are far fetched and unsubstanitiated – there is absolutely no congnitive reasoning to your theory. There’s no motivation for friends to cover up anything, there is only incentive to provide information to help in the search. There were 125 students. Natalee was popular – therefore not all 125 of those students are going to be friends with Natalee – if there was anything sinister at all – at least one of those 125 students would be more than willing to stand up and provide information to discredit Natalee and her friends.
Her closest friends have nothing to fear by providing information – they have nothing to fear – this is a powerful community – if they were afraid of something, this community would have it handled.
Sorry traveler – I’m not sure which post you’re responding to so I don’t understand what you are asking me
To those that think that the Dutch kid is innocent of at least some serious offense:
FACT: he lies and contunues to lie, why?
FACT: someone said, “something bad happened to Natalee”. What?
FACT: (Dutch boy) sold himself as a gangster and used the word “misogynist” on his now defunked website. Why?
FACT: His brother’s website had a remark about him from a friend calling him “PERVERTED”. (comment also now removed).Why?
FACT: he drinks and gambles regularly, both illegally.
FACT: He was the last person seen with Natalee by her friends.Why?
“If one is moving in a straigt line, one need only look at the path from where they came to figure out which direction they are heading”
These facts have no nationality, race or gender flavoring them. They are just facts.
If you cannot see where this leads, where do I send the white stick and sunglasses?
So after 116 days, if nothing new is provided than all the boys will walk?
Bahm-whose arguing? It my oppinion…One of the student was that was interviewed in the beginning of this mess had a smirk on her face after she was interviewed. Again, no one knows!
Signing off for today – Pray for Natalee and her family. All Americans better turn your heads towards the Supreme Court Ruling that took place this morning – the government can now seize your property for any reason – private or commercial use – they only have to pay you fair market value (whatever they deem that to be) and can doze your home for whatever they please.
Don’t think it will never happen to you because it’s “wrong” – they are doing it to an 80 year old couple that has lived in a home for over 50 years – do you really think that couple can take fair market value for their home and get something of equal value to live in?
Voice your opinions Americans, keep up with politics – we are fast becoming a socialist country.
ta ta
Mickey Johns eye blinking during first interview after release….did anyone else decode this…moris code…
Mc, the boy is 17 and acting like that. It’s cool to act like a gangster when you’re that age. Younger kids will certainly believe he was one.
Drinking and gambling is probably not forbidden on Aruba.
And he is the last person seen with Natalee as far as we know. We don’t know the whole story.
I don’t know what to think of this all but when I see people commenting like they have been there on the spot and have seen everyhting while they haven’t I just have to stand a bit up for Joran.
Bham we think alike. Didn’t some official report a confession and found her body. Then retracted it and said sorry wrong information. GIVE ME A BREAK!
It was also said by Rick Miller that you could put something in the water there in Aruba and in a short period of time it could end up in Venezuela. Yes, Morgan more than likely this crap will linger on and they will walk free. But, the truth will eventually come out. I mean, why would Joran’s father had told him to not say anything if all he wanted to do was help find Nat by answering some questions. Joran was the one that wanted to help find her. How stupid is he that he would inplicate himself by wanting to help, knowing that he would be investigated and questioned and make himself look guilty?
Simple: You leave this country you ass is theirs.
Lynch mob…yep, that rings a bell. Unfortunately, that’s what we’re all fast becoming in regard to this case. I do think JvdS knows more than he’s sharing, but…here in America, people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Last I heard, he was only proven guilty of being a horny teen.
His family, from the interview, is only saying they’re hurting, too…they’re not downplaying Natalee’s family’s pain.
Let’s not rush to judgement…wait…Johnny Cochran’s not around anymore…
Yolande,
He is a liar. Stand with the liar and be proud.
mc, read what you want to read. You won’t understand anyway.
P.S.
READ my previous post; it is not opinion, it is FACT.
MC-
Without seeming to disrespect the Holloways’ loss & pain, let me dispell some of your ‘facts’
1. No one knows if Joran is lying! There has been NO confirmation from Aruba police that he ever changed his story. All reports quote ‘anonymous’ police officials.
2. Nobody said “something bad happened to her”! What was allegedly said was “I guess something bad happened to her” Two very different things.
3. Much has been made about Jorans “pimp” “gangster” references! Young people say that all the time- At Britney Spear’s wedding, the groom’s party wore tracksuits identifying them as pimps!
We all want the truth to come out ESPECIALLY for Natalle & her family but looking at only one truth is no way to help.
I think the police should never have let the MB kids to fly off the Island without questioning them thoroughly. I think they should have arrested Joran & his friends right away. I believe the ‘sex slave’ stories are a bunch of &*^%.
At first I strongly believed Joran & his friends did something to her! Now I am not so sure anymore.
The only bright side to the delay in resolving the case is that the lack of physical evidence in this case increases the chances of Natalle still being alive.
I just read some stories on Amy Bradley, (I never heard that one) and she has been missing for 7 years, there was 1 sighting reported, but the guy she asked for help from reported it too late. Anyway- apparently some guys on a cruise ship wanted to tak eher to Carlos n Charlie’s and she turned them down b/c it was creepy. How weird is that??
Why lie if there is no guilt?
But, now Joran is the primary suspect. So, if they have decided to hold all 4 suspects with Joran being the main one…..what have they come up with to come to this decision? They know more than thye are letting on with. They have clues and evidence against these boys or they would let them go. I think that it would be good to let them go and see where they go and see if they lead us to Nat. But, then again…I want to see them rot for what they or he has done to Nat. No one should ever have to go through what her family is going through. The van der Sloots might be feeling hurt, but at least they know where their child is and that he is safe. Beth and her family just want to find or find out what happened to Nat.
The guy is guilty. f a hole
Has anyone considered that the Kalpoe brothers could easily be spinning yarns??? Aren’t they the ones who point serious fingers at Joran?
Emily- I agree with you, atleast the VDS’s know where their child is. I cannot even beging to imagine the pain and frusteration the Holloway’s are feeling right now. I would go absolutely insane!
I am only glad that none of you are on the investgation team. I have many younger friends and NONE of them portray themselves with this negative profile. My opinion stands.
Post away.
mc, I’m glad you’re not a jury member. I do appreciate your opinions, though.
First of all, leopardqueen is a jerk.
BTW I saw 2 diffrent interviews with 4 of her classmates. The first 2 said “everyone” was drinking and her 2 close friends said that she wasn’t drinking. I am sure all of the kids were drinking. They could drink legally what would make you think that anyone would pass up the oppertuinity.
Nobody knows Joran did anything. No one on here is an Aruban polis officer with the facts, so everyone can just Shut up!
I just thought of something….
Has anyone questioned the employees of Carlos & Charlies??
If not, they certainly need to.. I’ve been to the one in Cozumel and from what I can recall, the employees go to great links to get customers drunk by walking around and handing out shots.. (good marketing technique- I spent about 200 bucks)..
But surely if Natalee stayed until they closed, you would think one of the employees would know some details…. just a thought…
MC- I’m sure if we teamed up we could do a hell of alot better job than the Aruban police are doing. We would atleast have some kind of results. You don’t like what is being said- then go to a different site, after all, this is all opinions and we are all entitled.
I didn’t find her friends to be reliable witnesses, Kay. It was almost like they were trying to paint a picture of innocence, not only to keep Natalee’s reputation from being dragged through the mud, but to also keep their own parents from knowing what fun they all may (or may not) have had…
Basically, none of this chatter matters, if no facts are known. This is really no better than an AOL chat room. I feel better now. I’m out of here.
Capitan: I agree with you. A lot of interviews with her friends are trying to state she was so innocent. When you get the kids on who just knew her and were not her friends they seam to say something else.
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.
Simian: Where did you hear the info of your last post?
Mordred,
1. But, there has been proof that Joran hass changed his story. He changed his story when they gathered all 3 of the boys together. He admitted that he was wrong with the first story he had given.
2. Saying that “something bad happened” or “I guess something bad happened” isn’t all that different when it is coming from one of the main suspects that is involved.
3. Joran, even though is a good student, doesn’t mean that he was a good person. His parents aren’t always with him and don’t know how he acts when he isn’t around! People can be very disceptive these days.
OK- Bye MC. Have a nice day.
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.
Yes, Kay…their classroom endeavors really mean squat. Look at Joran–he is a classroom wiz, too. Their straight A’s mean nothing right now, though.
In my own humble opinion, they all were there to drink, party, and hook-up (not sexually, necessary) during their last night on the island. I’d even venture a bet that most of them can’t tell you how many drinks they had on that Sunday night…much less who rode with whom in what cab! C’mon…we’ve all been 18…
I want to hear what Joran says, what the Kalpoes say, and what evidence the police/polis have found…
I thought people here had some integrety but instead you attack other people, make assuptioms, and some are even convinced that de vdsloot is guilty saying horrible things… and dismissing the fact that natelee ain’t no angel (it’s clear to most but some try to convince us otherwise, I DO think she’s is overall a nice girl you can tell by all the support she’s receiving from her fam & com) and how horrible some of you might feel if cus there is a small chance SMALL that this vd is innocent….. Hope your conciense will be free of any guilt…
Isn’t this a place where people can voice their opions about this case and speculate without being attacked????????
And for voice opions yes you can take “sides” but you don’t need to attack someone else from the other side and speculating is not equal to saying this is the truth
Thanks, Newhere…I think most of the regular posters agree with that. I’ve been a lurker for weeks…
Newhere- Sure you can voice your opinion, but, get used to hearing other opinions as well- I don’t think it is anybody’s intention to attack anyone else for what they believe, maybe it just seems like it or comes out to harsh but I don’t think it’s intentional, Speak away.
New here:
No one is being attacked on here. Everyone is just stating their opinion. No one ever said that Nat was an angel but she was portrayed asa nice girl that would never do anyhting like this and it has been said that she would never have acted like she supposedly did. But, we all have been 18 and done things that we werent suppose to and no one can say that they havent.
There is lots of focus on the Van der Sloot and his Parents. How come the Kalpoe parents are not in the picture or interviews? Are the parenst in Aruba or in Surinam? Does anyone know?
No one really knows b/c they havent said anything about them. But, I want to know if it is true that Joran’s father has been taken back in for questioning? I keep my TV on FOX NEWS and they havent said anything about him going back in.
MOM,
are you here?
My thoughts:
1. the authorities need to take him out of the game and arrest him.
2. since Twitty was prompting that he could be one of the to be arrested parties…
3. extension of principle at base of the 3 boyz’ arrest.
4. only way to ensure that authorities can ask all they want/need.
5. this could change the 2-1 ratio to a 2-2 ratio, opening way for release. (this is just a brainstorm)
Hey Kris! I’m here!!!
checkme:
Are you speaking of Daddy VDS? I sense an arrest is emminent (sp?)
Captain and Newhere are my kind of people.
Checkme, am I correct on the red herring?
HI MOM!
Checkme good to hear from you again.
So while I was actually working, aside from the whole daddy possible arrest, is there anything new?
hey guys, we just saw daddy sloot arrested in this case. i think it’s a fake…it isn’t even relevant…i think it’s so the kidnappers feel secure. anyone else?
Doggone it all!!! Now I gotta go out in the field…work time.
Be back in about an hour.
If you want to hear someone attack, go to msn, type in Natalee holloway, and got to the basterdly website. it has over 500 commetns but if you read anything from Lexa and Vixen, they will rip people inside and out.
I haven’t been able to find a news posting yet for Paulus Van Der Sloot being taken in.
OK so they can hold him for 10 days, with no reason. Do you think this will come out that it’s all a fake? Or do you think they will never tell us the truth?
Joran had said that he left her laying in the beach by the Marriott. Lets say if he did do that she passed out, he got scared, left her there. Then what if someone else came in and did somthing bad to her? Its only a what if: thats why they believe there are more people involved.
I think that the father of Joran knows something too, he just knows how to get around everything himself, and he is using that to his advantage. Did they not do lie detector test on the boys? What were the results of those?
Where is everyone getting this news about Pauls Van Der Sloot? Does anyone think Joran is covering for someone, innocent or guilty?
no, kris he hasn’t written anything to me,
Thanks for giving us the news first checkme. We love you!
Kristin,
I agree. With the FBI being involved, I think more than we are being told, this could just be another tactic to throw off the real criminals.
Ally,
Are you here?
JOrans father isn’t too high and mighty in Aruban politics.
Captain, did you leave?
Is Pauls really get arrested?
I think there will be a break in this case before the people arrive with their special sonar equipment. It is giving people the jitters if they do in fact find something.
Ally,
If you hear from him let me know.
On fox 25 news channel. They have the official news from prosecutors. They are asking if a possible reason he is arrested is because he spoke with Greta, and maybe he said something to Greta and Beth that he shouldn’t have, and Greta went to the police. ???????
i think that we will find out the truth and I think that Paulus’ arrest is fake, Kristen so that they can deter the SAns that we are on the wrong track
Check and Simian:
Been reading your stuff on here for days without chiming-in. Totally believe esp now that Papa VdS was arrested. Have a theory I’d like to fly by you but not on here. Any other way to contact you?
When will they share their evidence? I don’t really like Aruban laws.
I think theparents have nothing to do with this …. Dad gave advise to Joran not to talk in school since he probably was boasting of his closeness with Natalie …. NH was missing and Dad told Joran to keep mouth shut until NH was found …… any would advise the same.
I am curios to know how the DJ is involved …… the boat has not been confiscated yet but only searched
Where’s check, I though he was coming here.
anne, do you have instant messanger???
None of us know what really happened that night, it is all speculation. The lies are out
of fear, but does not make it right. They are awfully young to be suspected of such a
major crime. I want Natalee home, and feel more for her friends and family than I do
for anyone right now. The two brothers are either in just as thick as Joran, or they know
something as well, or they would have already had him alone in the prison otherwise. On the
character of the boys, I don’t think they are any different from many of the boys I went
to high school with, and the laws and society there are more liberal than in the US. They are not abnormal, and the media always likes to bring up the smut about people, because that is what people like to read and hear. I hope the case resolves soon, I don’t think anyone can take much more. But the bottom line is, no one knows, so we should not judge at this time, just pray for Natalee to return.
Kris–i will definitely let u know..
The fox news website doesn’t have anything on it yet. I won’t believe it till I see it. Both Kristen brings up a great point.
Lie detectors are illegal in Aruba so they can’t use them.
greta is saying that the van der sloot’s house was boarded up this morning….where is mrs van der sloot???
I don’t think Dad gave Joran poor advise about not talking about it. He was just looking out for his son.
To Emily:
The authorities in Aruba will not allow lie detectors. I agree that Joran’s father is covering something up, but also have a feeling we will find out what soon!
Thank you for the link. That was very kind of you.
Kristin,
This will put an enourmous strain on the entire case. This must be because of an enourmous strain on those exerting this on the current suspects. Only feeding the most likey theory more. What do you think?
Kristin,
do you have instant message? Where are you getting that info? Can anyone in arbua confirm this?
Is someone watching Fox with Great on? I am at work so I can’t watch. Keep me posted about the boarded up house. What happened after their interview with Greta to make this happen?
FOX NEWS: Joran van der Sloot’s father Paulus arrested in Aruba
It’s on the Fox website now…papa’s in the slammer!
Emily,
Do you have a link??
daddy sloot is arrested as a SUSPECT not as a witness.
I am watching Greta: She is saying that he (FATHER) might have been taken in because of the interview last night on TV. Maybe the authorities do not want him in the media so they arrested him.. Remember, you are not allowed to talk about the case, and maybe he spoke too much in his interview.
Thanks B’ham? What do you think he got arrested for? I want to see this evidence they have on them? Do you think Joran said something about his dad?
OMG!!! What next??
Check,
Are you still here? What is being said about this?
Paulus has not been charges with anything yet, but he will be kept on suspicions of being involved in this case. Paulus is not in the same facility as Joran.
Jake, is he a suspect? Please keep me posted guys I am at work and can not watch?
Sorry, Kay…I was away. I’m going to read about PvdS on the other thread, now…
Hey Jake!!!
Long time no talk to
You never told me what you do as it is yoru job to watch TV!
checkme,
i dont know what to think. this is so puzzling to me, i wish country moon could share something with us. what do you think? i think daddy knows where nat is. there is no way i can chat with you somewhere else other than on here? i have a screen name, but i needs yours first because i have certain privacy controls on my instant messanger. i dont show up on anyone’s buddy list unless they are on mine.
Hi Kris-I’m a Producer.
I cant watch either – what is being said?
I hope that he was arrested because they have evidence against him but who knows at this point…we won’t hear any details about it I’m sure…everything is SO secretive! I don’t think Joran would say anything about his father but you never know. It’s all a mystery but I wish it would be solved quickly. It’s so frustrating to read the same information day after day w/ no new details.
Hey Cap I am on this name now ok! Did you hear about Paulus? I am at work getting ready to go on my lunch break. How long will you guys be on? I will be back in half an hour. Keep me posted!
KRIS
Yes i have instant message. you can email me your screen name @ kristingamst@comcast.net
relax everyone-i have more than one email address and i dont care who sees this one.
so many said this would happen. now that it has….where do we go from here? i am so hoping tomorrow we will have more from the judge and the equu team.
There is a gap in the stories between father and son.
Ahh–makes perfect sense.
BhamNativeGirl are you at work too, keep me posted on what you hear!
I mentioned yesterday that there is a gap in the timeline. Where’s Jake?
sim-heard on the news that that was all they needed to be able to bring him in. aruban government allows you to be brought in simply on suspicion.
Fox News is saying the following:
That when they originally let the 3 boys go, that they WERE followed, and that cell phones were tapped, and that search warrants were placed to search the homes, and that is why they were able to arrest Croes, and now the dad. They said that noone is talkiing, but since the 3 boys were under servelance for almost 2 weeks, the authorities are now making the rest of the arrests.
What is he a suspect of?
One of the Kalpoes might be let go. Can’t confirm.
Why is it taking them this long to arrest them then!
EVERYTHING IS COMING OUT!!!!!!! No one is telling the truth, in the case. Paulus can be held up to 4 months in this case and not be charged. Just as the boys. He will more than likely be held for 8 days. They said that they have checked all three boys cell phone conversations and that is how the boat dj got involved. joran could have went to father for advise and no probable cause is needed. could have been something said or found that caused arrest or Paulus. He is possibly a co-conspiritor.
MSNBC confirms VDS (father) has been arrested. Details to follow
Simian, good to see you.
Of course there is a gap.
Why is Greta still on this relatively small case? Does she see good drama? Does she feel what I am feeling? Wants to be around for when this breaks? It will be bigger world news for sure.
They are looking at PVDS as a Co-consperitor.
Simian Says:
June 23rd, 2005 at 2:58 pm
One of the Kalpoes might be let go. Can’t confirm
WHERE DID YOU HEAR THIS?
I’m all ears/eyes, Rachael…
Sim—thank u so much for keeping us updated as well
captain i am going to lunch now i will be back in half an hour. i hope all you guys stay on this message board and don’t move to another!
I am missing something, what is the gap in the stories, and what are they suspicious of?
CNN just said that he is a suspect in the disappearance of NH
GRETA talked to Kalpoes parents…CRS, where are you?
The gap is in the timeline. Phone records. Log-on times on PC’s.
What we don’t know yet is what The Hague has found.
co-conspirator for what?? Kidnapping, murder Arghh
where did everyone go? this is huge!!!!
GRETA TALKED TO THE BROTHERS PARENTS?! finally!!
okay the holes have to do with the times the dad and joran said the dad picked him up.
pktbk,
Did you hear/see it? What did they say??
does anyone know if the home of the brothers has been searched?
If you were asleep who answered your phone?
is it true they might let one of the brothers go?
check-how does this hurt the case? was someone being pushed to bring him?
crs-are you watching the news?
NEWS UPDATE:
The Kalpoe mom says that the 3 boys got together the next day to “get their stories straight”. That is why the original story was that they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, but the Kalpoe brothers later confessed that that was a lie, that they were trying to protect Joran. They (Kalpoe bros) left Joran and NH at the beach and that Joran walked home. They are saying that maybe the father helped him cover up the crime, as well as the DJ.
Now Greta is saying that Kalpoe brothers have said that they told their mother that they dropped Nat and Joran off at the beach and then that Joran left Nat at the beach and walked home, but they also just said that all 3 boys got together the next morning and got their stories together. So, the Kalpoes brothers mom has come forward with what she knows. PAULUS IS OFFICIALY A SUSPECT
kris-my coworkers husband called. that’s where i heard they arrested him on the suspicion. there isn’t a time set on how long they will hold him.
sim-that makes sense. but then again, who can actually say what time they did something almost a month ago. i couldn’t. not taking up for them, just saying if questioned i would be in jail myself.
where is shockthemonkey?!
ok listen to this-this is what i think
CHECKME, are you listening? COUNTRY MOON are you listening??
Joran and Natalee were dropped off at the beach. The brothers maybe went home. Joran called Daddy after something bad happened on the beach and Daddy picked him up. NO WAY Joran walked. What if someone saw him walking? At 3am on a school night, they would wonder. Now, I can’t figure out the boat part. Maybe they called the DJ to come pick up Nat, and that’s when they took her somewhere. Someone said before that she was drugged….and that they raped her. So they needed to get rid of her before their DNA was found all over her body. AND, where the hell is Beth? She hasn’t been commenting on any of this. And Deepak did get an email early in the morning about something, AND they all met the next morning to get their stories straight. Joran asked them all to lie, the brothers said they told the lie of dropping Nat off to cover Joran. Check me???? Country moon?????
So the Kalpoe parents are saying are saying that their sons pretty much DID have something to do with it?? The Kalpoe parents aren’t denying that there was a crime??
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?
HOLY MONKEY!!!
no wonder we hadn’t heard from their parents. WOW! i can’t see joran walking from the beach to his house. that would take awhile wouldn’t it? wow. :O
Father is a suspect of the disappearance.
Anne are you there? Did you get my message about instant messaging?
KALPOE BROTHERS MOM SAID THAT THE TWO CAME HOME SOMETIME BTW 1:15 AND 3 AM. THEY WERE THEN ASKED BY THEIR MOM WERE THEY WERE AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
PKTBK:
What about the brothers parents?
This is too much.
The Kalpoes will remain detained, because they agreed to go along with the Holiday Inn story.
Checkme, i saw one of your posts to Kristin, so you think that Joran and Paul are going to get railroaded on this?
Steve Croes is singing.
Is this all finally going somewhere or tomorrow are we going to be disappointed again?
If it turns out that Sloot Sr. was involved in the coverup/disposing of a body…this is turning out to be a pretty sick/sad story..not that the initial story isnt, but, a father & son team… what’s happening to people these days??
GRETA JUST SAID THAT IT WILL BE BTW 7 AND 8 TO DETERMINE IF THE FATHER WILL BE HELD. BUT SHE ALSO SAID, THAT HE WAS EITHER INVOLVED IN THE DISAPPEARANCE, HELPED COVER UP EVIDENCE, WITHHELD EVIDENCE FROM THE POLIS, OR SLIPPED UP AND SAID SOMETHING. THIS IS DRIVING MY BANANAS. IT WILL ONLY BE A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE TRUTH COMES OUT.
checkme, are you there?
EMILY—-please keep posting I am at work and I am not near a tv.
about the parents-i never saw them on the news. the kalpoe parents. this would explain why. they had some serious information. wow. wow. wow.
pktbk – what are the kalpoe parents saying?
Simian – how do you know Croes is “singing?”
ALLYINMIAMI:
I WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED WHEN I HEAR NEW INFO. DO YOU HAVE ANOTH WAY I CAN GET INFO TO YOU FASTER?
Kristin, no I didn’t. I got booted for a few minutes. Will check now and respond soon.
If Croes was just a DJ on the TATTOO how was he able to get the keys for this boat?
Morgan,
Sorry, guess Im out of the loop but I dont know the story about Amy Bradley…can ya give me a quick run down.
Also, just my thoughts on all this, its a nightmare for all involved on both sides. At this point anything is possible but it is very clear to the whole world that some sort of cover up has gone on.
They said Croes had is own set of keys for the boat.
my prayers and hopes of a miracle resolution for natalee and her family, the united states is well-defined as a world power yet we cannot seem to get answers in a country smaller than my acerage. how troubling is that
Recall the case of the Central Park jogger in New York. A group of teens, after intense interrogation, confessed, with ever-changing stories. Stories change BECAUSE of the pressure of interrogation. I do not know what happened, who is innocent, and who is not. But the fact that the stories change with time is a normal thing.
I hope and pray she is found alive.
Does anyone know of an email address where I can send a note of support to the von der Sloot family?
Acording to the news, Van der Sloot teen has a bad reputation,violent past and a wild romancer. In short, He was a real hunt lover problem and in this moment the little man made all things bad and he has to respond for this case. Question, How many were before Natalee?.
“According to the news,” Natalee’s killer confessed a few weeks ago and they had found her body……….DON’T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON TV, etc.
Open minds will solve this case.
OK. Sure the Van Der Sloot family deserves respect because so far, they haven’t been proven of anything. However, it is rediculous to sympathize with the lead suspect of a missing teenager. Especially when he’s changed his story, his father has said “if there is no body, there is no case” to his son, when 4 people (the two Suranamese bro’s) and the disc jokey, and Joran have the exact same story which is later told by one of the brothers to be a lie. This brother then has another story, and all of a sudden, the disc jokey lied to the police too. Not to mention, the 3 main suspects had picked out some security guards, which apparently they also lied about, to throw blame on. 3 days is a lot of time (the time between the missing report and arrests, to get things straight. Sure, Joran’s story on phone records checked, but what he was saying could never be confirmed. I also heard the car showed no traces of hair from Holloway from an unreliable source, but this could mean the suspects freaked out and cleaned the car without thinking. Nobody knows for sure, but I at least, have considerable reason to think Joran at least knows something.
By the way, that past violence of Joran’s I heard was totally Bogus. Leave it on Fox to oversensationalize to the extreme.
How hard could it possibly be to find a cute blonde on Aruba? What is it, like 80 square miles? I worry that if NH was harmed she’ll never be found, since there has been not a trace of her for almost a month. Also, what new graduate with a full ride to pre-med school voluntarily goes missing?
After reading most of your posted opinion. I feel as if I’m in Mississippi back in the early 60′s. I assume the majority of your readers are white. I do that becasue you are fast to believe without any signs that this girl was killed by this young kid. I say that because I don’t know any kid who don’t lie. I don’t know of any kid who won’t turn the truth regardless if they were involved or not. Too many of you are acting as if you were there,or as if you saw him kill her. I keep thinking about the Smith lady who drove her car with her kids in the lake and later blamed a black man. I think about the runaway bride who later blamed a Mexican. I have nothing but respect for the mother because she could have taken the easy way out when they arrested the 2 black security guards. She said “NO” they had nothing to do with it. The majority of Americans wanted them to pay also. You people are only on a witch hurt,I pray that she walk into a police station and explan she had a lot on her mind.Later to sign a book deal and a made for T.V deal.. FOXS is the biggest problem here ,they don’t care if she is dead or alive.All they want is to be up front when she turn up. Now I hear after he killed her he had enough time to remove any hair from car and clothes,remove any signs of stuggle around the light house.Remove any perfume,lipstick, as if he planned this for 6 months or so. Just go from site to site and you’ll see how some say she over dosed and fell off the side of the boat,some say she met a rich Arab prince and ran away with him,some say she was kid napped and taken to a 3 world country as a sex slave.. But this is the fuel American use to build the fire so someone has to be blamed
Granted, Joran may not be guilty of murder. Innocent until proven, right? However, he and the two Kapoe brothers are certainly guilty of obstruction of justice. They lied about dropping Natalee off, and blaming two black men. Is there no penalty for obstructing justice on this island? Obviously not, otherwise Joran’s father might have also been charged.
I am sorry, but I tend to not believe liars. No excuses … they are liars and intefered with the investigation. If they told the truth (or at least the latest story) from the first day, the chances of finding Natalee (dead or alive) would have been much greater.
So, no, I do not feel sorry for Joran or the Kalpoe brothers. I do feel sorry for their families, as well as for the family of Natalee.
Has anyone checked the neighbors house that has been on vacation (the one with the monkey) and a search around the docks and the riverside for clues. Jorand could have walked home from there. And being the oopposite way would have thrown the investagation way off.
Natalee mother’s feels the need to apologize because the Aruban people have threatened her with a Civil Suit? I am a Time Share Owner in Aruba and I will never spend another US dollar on their happy little Island until they apologize to this poor woman. To threaten her with a Civil Suit or cop an attitude other than being helpful is outrageous. Americans need to ban together to boycott this little paradise as when they attack a mother who is in search of her child – an American child they crossed a line that I will not sit by and do nothing about. My prayer’s are with the Holloway family.
Aaron
yes the poor van der sloots are going thru a horrible nightmare. their supposed good honors student son premediated the kidnapping and murder of NH. the VDSL say that Joran is a wonderful kind good kid honors student. then why in the world was he out gambling half the night and drinking and playing cards with PVDS his dad! and he was suppose to have a curfew because of the way he was acting. he was out half the night partying with PVDS and he was suppose to be in school the next day. i would love to know what his grades are. at least for some consolation he missed his graduation. sorry moma VDS. have ya’ll seen the picture of him smiling ear to ear with that black shirt on and sliver chain holding that fan of money? i bet he won that playing cards. nice he is 17 years old and you can’t drink, play cards and drive till 18. but the priviledged get what they want and do what they want. we have to keep on praying for the holloway and twitty families and keep putting pressure on the Dutch Ambassador!
teresa
It’s a good thing that this board doesn’t have any official say in determining guilt or innocence! Yall’s attitudes are just plain SCAREY!
It is very obvious what has happened in Aruba a pretty girl on the island, a spoiled boy, two friends two cover up and a brilliant father for legal advice! Problem is the body has not been found. Every one has probably already stomped over the body by now, but lets not forget the father is the brilliant one, he knows the island inside out who better to dispose of it; and well the two brothers are his buddies and have both been advisd to just stay low and say they just gave them both a ride “you do not know anything else”, a promise if they stay firm and strong nothing will happen to them but if the brake their sure to be accomplices so they will be sure to remain quiet and will not change the story I promise and finaly if the body is not found the probability of all going free is a given, A REAL SHAME BUT A GIVEN. That is telling it like it is!
In the mean time all three mothers will feel the anguish and pain, they did not do anything wrong and they all feel they taught their child better but the truth is no mom has control in their childs adult lifes so they all have every right to grief without question.
My Prayers for NH and her family. May this case serve as an example to all teenage girls who believe their old enough to be on their own. It sure taught me a lesson as a mom, my daughter will not be going on any senior trip this coming year without my husband and I being in close range!
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Just So you know Mr. Van Der Sloot ,A LOT OF GOOD OLD BOYS FROM Bama come to Aruba
Can’t believe the stuff I see here. You people need to put some ice on your flaming red necks. This site should be called Lynch Tar and Feather!!
It is almost impossible to believe the soap opera content of this very real tragedy. I sincerely hope Miss Holloway is alive and that “Jug” and his whine queen can haul ass back to Alabama where they belong. Miz Twitty has squeaked more in five minutes than Laci Peterson’s mom did in three years. I see the Twittys as spoiled (talk about spoiled!) people who do not have the class to suffer in private and allow the system to work. IT IS A DIFFERENT SYSTEM!!! They do not cater to Greta and Fox and Geraldo and Nancy and all the other ambulance chasers and sob sisters…of whatever sex. The Dutch system is not on Earth to cater to Bill O’Reilly and the rest. As an American it shames me that we cannot seem to get a hold on that. If I hear “If they would just TELL us something…” one more time I think I might hurl.
Also as an American I am even more deeply shamed that so many of us would join a lynch mob to string up the Van Der Sloots. What an ugly picture that is. I certainly KNOW that that family is suffering and that elements of MY society are responsible for much of their pain. I wish there were some way to communicate with them, to assure them that not all of us Americans are that ugly. Some of us are willing to let the evidence speak and go on from there. If the kid is guilty of anything his life will all but be ruined. His parents will live with as many (or more) “what ifs” and “how comes” as the Holloways. Time will tend to heal most of the wounds…in Time. But the scars will remain. A family most likely absent a daughter. Another family with a broken son, and all of us with reason to rebuke ourselves for our shallowness. Our nationalism.
Above being an American and above any Nation, Miss Twitty is a mother, with a beautiful child who was just begining to live, and whos senior picture should be on her wall and not on National News thanks to Van Der Sloot, Miss Twitty did not have the opportunity to part with her ddaughter unlike the Van Der Sloots who’s son broken or not, they still have.
Do not forget this is the story of young adults being together and by some magic means one disappears, what if it had been the other way around and Natalee Holloway would be the one detained and Van Der Sloot would had dissapered, would it be fair to say that the Van Der Sloots would not be in the same prediciment as Mrs. Twitty and how would they react? would they be so private? Would Natalee be free?
How dare to compare Miss Twitty with Mrs. Laci Petersons mother, Mrs. Twitty is an individual independent of anyone else. Mrs. Twitty has every right to use any means of communication offered to her to express her very American Rights ” FREEDOM OF SPEECH” and to plead for help aloud. How dare anyone critize her pain and anquish.
In addition Thank God for those people with positions like Greta at Fox, Geraldo and Nancy and Bill O’Reilly and the rest who us by bringing the News to our homes daily and educate us on what is going on around the world. Who also serve in some way as investigators and help those of us who are truly concerened to bring the pieces together.
It is through other peoples tragedies that we become wiser and this BS about it is a different system; fine let the Dutch do what ever they please with their system, but allow some consolation to Mrs. Twitty by informing her what is going on, if they did then maybe she would be private knowing their woking their tails off in stead of squeaking in desperation.
Further, this site is about voicing our opinion and bringing some sense to a case which make none! If the Van Der Sloot’s are innocent obiously they would be more commuicative, instead they prefer to remain quite or private as said, well of course Mr. Van Der Sloot is going to stay private he is no Scott Peterson, he is a brilliant man remember ” NO BODY” ” NO CASE”. Peterson on the other hand was not smart that is why he was reeled in, he played innocent his interviews helped to give im away; but Van Der Sloot “Oh, Oh he is a law professional, he is not going to talk.
At the end of this case if the Van Der Sloots are innocent they will prevail when and if we find Natalee!!!! And last “LYNCH MOB” what is this? SOAP OPERA? This is a real case with a real child with true emotions and the unfortunate inability to close.
We do not need to apologize to the Dutch what is wrong with you people?We need ANSWERS!
And finally this is not a case about being an American; it is about Natalee Holloway! Where is she?
Further more this is not about, Red Necks, or racism just so you I am a hispanic. And no matter what color, we all suffer pain and anquish in the same way! Pain is Pain no matter what color! Get It!
Further more this is not about, Red Necks, or racism just so you know I am a hispanic. And no matter what color, we all suffer pain and anquish in the same way! Pain is Pain no matter what color! Get It!
We were in Aruba 2 years ago, June of 2003. Until this evening (on July the 18th) my daughter looked up & saw the picture of Joran on the news (it would help if they pronounced his name correctly). We met Joran & his friends at the Marriott were they frequented. They were just children, like Natalie, very nice – very innocent. So nice, but not too nice. Don’t be so quick to judge. What a catastrophie for both families – holding on to the last to see her alive, and yet no evidence of his guilt. Again, don’t be so quick to judge.
Has anyone looked at the simple psychology of a guilty mind? The guilty one always holds back information, because he/she is in defense mode, usually before they are even suspected. IF Joran was innocent, then upon hearing about NH’s disappearance, he would know that he last saw her on a beach, and when. So he would have said, “hey everyone, start looking here! I am innocent, but I want to help find her. Look for clues here! (Footprints, used condom, whatever)”
But of course, he never volunteered to help, and it was only after witnesses ID’d him and the brothers that he started to give any info, and it was still mostly or all a lie. His dad reportedly was a sponge of sweat during his interragation, which is a sign of intense emotion, or a guilt reflex. Didn’t even need a polygraph on dad, he was sweating like a cold beer in hell.
Also,
no one has said much about NH, other than she was an angel. In this country (USA), she could have been thrown in jail for having sexual relations with a minor. That alone should tell you something. Angel my donkey! I saw her prom picture taken with rich boy with a brand new convertible Corvette. Tell me she wasn’t attracted to young boys with money and connections.
Consider for a moment though, girl under pressure to go to med school, just graduates, just realizes there is a world out there. 2 or so hours before flying home to the stresses. Maybe she just walked away? If so, she may have gotten in trouble later. I might believe this, but the boys were lying and laying case to a crime.
thus said,
I feel bad for everyone, except for Joran who lies, the Kalpoe brothers who lied to the parents of a missing daughter.
Good grief! I cannot believe that so many of you think that since Natallie’s disappeared, the Van der Sloots should suffer. It’s sick!
This is a witch hunt. There is virtually no evidence against that boy. He is 17 years old. He has no criminal record. I have worked directly with teen-age boys from upper/middle income homes and have taught college for years. That kid does not appear to be a criminal. Sure, he’s angry, you would be too, if you were in his shoes.
He was there. He was the last one with her as far as we know. BUT, Natalie had been drinking, she could have gone into the ocean after he left, for goodness sakes! (BTW: I’ve been asking around and it’s astonishing the number of young women who’ve been into the ocean at night. Some even say they’ve done it alone!)
I do feel very sorry the Van der Sloot family. I pray for them as well as for Natalie’s family.
I realize it’s agonizing not knowing, but that’s no excuse for all the embellishment and this witchhunt. It is scary to watch and to read about–the “witch hunt”, that is.
Dear Ellen,
when you seem to type, nothing but ignorance flows…
let me make it easy so you can understand it.
He was the last person with Natalee the night she disapeared. He already lied once, saying he dropped her off at the Hotel, which by the way proved that he was a liar, when the security cameras showed that he didn’t. Then he changes his story up saying he left her on the beach at 2 AM in the morning.
Now you tell me this….why would a straight A honor student want to be on the beach at 2 AM with a stranger? Even if she had been drinking it makes no sense where she disapeared too, unless Jordan van der sloot had some connection with it, which shows he does because he already lied to cover his ass one time, but when he was caught, changed his story because he was “scared” as his mom so desperately puts it.
I KNOW his dad had something to do with it too…him being high ranking in the government, you must be an idiot to not realize his dad pulled some strings to have the search delayed for a few days.
Body found or not, i say the officials should jail both Jordan van der sloot and his dad. That would be a happy ending to this “witch hunt”.
I have no sympathy for the twisted thinking of this 17 year old. I am 19 and I would never think about getting a girl drunk and leaving her somewhere. Just goes to show the inhumane thoughts of this sick kid.
Again Ellen….please shut up now because nobody wants to hear you run your mouth about how “sorry” you feel for the family that covers up their sons mistakes.
Josh,
I applaud you in your comments!! To be only 19 yrs old, you definitely have a good head on your shoulders. It goes to show that even us middle age folks can learn from the younger generations if we only take the time to listen.
As for Ellen, I dont mean to be critical, as everyone has a right to their opinion, but I
cant believe you think this 17 yr old lying teenager could be innocent of anything concerning Natalee Holloway. I’m sorry to say this, but evidently you havent had enough experience in working with teenage boys or you would know more as to how they think where the opposite sex is concerned. I dont mean to offend you, but “open your eyes”. By the way, what exactly does a criminal look like to you? Who knows your next door neighbor just might be an “unregistered sex offender” who might have his eyes set on your young innocent daughter.
To those who refer to southerners as “rednecks”. Why all of the sarcasm? You use this word as if southerners are ignorant, etc. I’m very proud of my southern heritage. I’m also praying for my southern neighbors, the Holloways and Twittys as their search for their daughter continues. I feel only sympathy for the Van de Sloots, not for what they’re going through, but because they have blinders over their eyes concerning their son’s behavior. I believe they contributed to their sons behavior by letting it get out of control. Sure they love their son, no doubt,Just because JVDS has no criminal record doesnt mean he’s not been in trouble. Papa VDS knows all about his son’s little escapades. I truly believe JVDS knows what happened to Natalee. If he didnt have anything to do with her dissapearance, well, he must be the unluckiest person on Aruba today!!
vast resources are being expended to manufacture /conjure some “evidence against Joran……a slow process, but with enough hyperbole, the public may believe the “holloway hallucinations”
There is far more fuss and furor over the the missing natalee than over all 2000 american troops killed on duty in Iraq…..they are less important because they do not have “beverly Hillbillies ” for parents…….the whole case against joran is hysteria…murder ? what murder ?…it is all hysterical speculation.-Bocacassidy@yahoo.com
Paulus van der Sloot & the lying Kalpoes,be VERY glad that its not MY daughter missing in Aruba. Joran van der snot is guilty of being young,dumb & listening to his LAWYER father & his legal advice.Regardless of the outcome, her body found or never found,ALL of you LYING pukes need to watch your gutlless,yellow backs the rest of your miserable lives.Consider yourselves blessed that you are still among the living. I believe Joran would foldup like wet newspaper IF something were to happen & his father happened to disappear………….What if one of the Kalpoes were to meet an untimely demise…………If Natalie were MY daughter,guess what might happen on that tourist trap called Aruba.
Did that woman make that word up “instantigating”? That is the silliest word I think I ever heard. Also that son probably treated his parents like stink. He was 6’5″ and it would take a freaking moose to handle him. His mother looks like she is wanting to go ahead and tell about it. It is eating her alive, but the father is so caught up into it and such a guilty sneak, he probably will never tell. I am afraid Anita will disappear as the next weak link. Satish is also a weak link. I believe he has more of a conscious than his brother. I believe he is afraid of his mother to come clean.
Also, I believe some priest somewhere knows about this. Anita is so torn up over this, I believe she will talk to someone. She still may end up doing some harm to herself. She needs to leave that stupid, carrousing husband of hers and stay away from that son. Either one or both of them will kill her one way or the other.
Anita, if you happen to be listening to this. You are the one that has to answer to the Lord. Those men in your household has bullied, used and abused you long enough. You have a life. You are entitled to live it in the manner in which you know is right. Get away from them both. That boy has set his course and will always lack the basic understanding of how to treat women. I do not believe his father set the right example for him. Your husband is tricking you. He has no conscious. He will stop anyone that gets in his way.
well i just wanted to say that i fell so bad for beth and jug they seem so hopelesss in all of this she has done the best job of finding her daughter than i have ever seen she desevers answers and she should get them now .my appinion on the sullution is to get the 4 of them in a room and one by one bust there heads open to the point where theres no hope for them i bet you will get the where abouts of nattalie then . that i can a sure you .
BLACK MARKET FOR ORGAN TRANSPLANTS.LOOKS LIKE NATALIE HOLLOWAY QUICKLY DISAPPEARED.MAKES ME THINK THAT SHE WAS NEVER BURRIED BUT WAS DRUGED BY JVDS AND TAKEN TO A REMOTE PLACE ON ISLAND AND WAS TAKEN OFF ARUBA ON A FAST BOAT TO VENEZUELA AND THEN TRANSPORTED TO BRAZIL.SHE WOULD BE QUICKLY UTHANIZE BY A DOCTOR AND HE WOULD REMOVE ALL VITAL ORGANS FIRST AND PUT THEM IN A CONTAINER AND KEEP ORGANS PRESERVED.THEN HE WOULD REMOVE ANY OTHER BODY PARTS THAT HE THINKS ARE WORTH PRESERVING AND FIND WEALTHY PEOPLE ON BLACK MARKET DESPERATE TO PAY SIX OR SEVEN FIGURES TO KEEP THEM SELFS OR FAMILY MEMBER ALIVE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.WHY NOT?WE ALL VALULE LIFE AND WANT TO STAY ALIVE AS LONG AS WE CAN.AFTER ALL IT IS THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE!IF I WERE A WEALTHY PERSON AND I OR SOMEONE I LOVED NEEDED NATALIE’S OR JORAN’S OR ANY ONE ELSES ORGAN(S)TO STAY ALIVE FOR ANOTHER THIRTY OR SO YEARS,I WOULD PAY FOR THOSE PRECIOUS VITAL ORGANS!WOULDN’T YOU?
To Yoninadi:
Give me a break.What a stupid, complicated thinking.
Why in the world should they “kidnap” a girl from Aruba, while there are millions of tourist, visiting Brasil.
And we all know, that for transplant matters, they use, the poor people, even their kids to do such things.
You can finger who killed Natalee. All you need to know is who had the most to lose when Natalee woke up and saw him raping her. If she were left alived she could testify against him. HER BODY IS HIDDEN IN ONE OF THE CAVES NEAR THE NATIONAL PARK. Give up as to who killed her. Hint. He sweats alot during interviews.
message for deepak kalpoe.do you really think that your untouchable.this is just my opinion.but I think the only reason your still using up oxygen is because there’s a glimmer of hope the girl will be found,as that hope deminishes,I imagine, so will you.after all,your car,your responsible,your car in which the deal to sell the girl,took place .your the one who understood the language which was used to make deal.at which point could have saved the day and be seen as a hero.you accepted 1000 dollars as your end of the sale,there’s video tape of a witness who was in the car with you who says you recieved the money.
Quite honestly, my prayers are with all families involved. The Twitty and Holloway families have suffered in totally unimaginable ways. But I know from the experience of having a loved one who is facing prison for attempted murder that the Van der Sloot family has suffered too. People are so quick to down play their suffering. I really do feel sorry for his parents.
However, in spite of my sympathy for his parents and the victims’ parents, something must be done to prevent him from causing this much harm to anyone else. If he did these two murders, then the death penalty is the best option for him in my opinion. We live in a society where murder is not to be condoned and in spite of his parents suffering, still he must suffer consequences.
However, let’s not downplay his parents grief as grief in all cases hurts the people who go through it.