RSSAfternoon Edition; Natalee Holloway
Cops are searching in Montaà ±a in Joran va der Sloot’s neighborhood (Aruba Girl.)
Aruban authorities have raided the home of Joran van der Sloot. They are reported to have been wearing protective white suits.
AP Aruban Police Search Home of Dutch Teen Held in Disappearance of Alabama Honors Student
Aruban police on Wednesday searched the family home of a Dutch teen detained in the disappearance of an Alabama honors student and towed two vehicles from the property.
Two police officers walked through the one-story, yellow-beige home, while others guarded the entranceway to the house in Noord, just outside the capital, Oranjestad.Authorities towed a blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep from the house, which is surrounded by a low stone wall and fronted by an expanse of trees and cactus.
MSNBC, Dutch youth’s home searched in missing teen case. Father of jailed teen to sue for access to son.
Police in Aruba searched the house and yard of a boy held in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, NBC News reported Wednesday.
Police also towed two cars — a blue SUV and a red jeep — from the home of the 17-year old Dutch youth, who was one of the last people seen with Holloway.
From the Political Teen comes, “I like how they say “dutch teen” and not his name, Joran Van Der Sloot”. Good thing they did not call him the “Political Dutch Teen”.
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Hopefully, this search will produce a result.
If indeed the intent of the Dutch boy was to take advantage of Natalee and she died unexpectedly I think the kid would have really panicked and possibly told his dad. To me, a dad that goes gambling and drinking with his son is a dad that will help his son cover up a crime. I really doubt that the kid had enough presence of mind to cover this up all by himself (or with two just as clueless friends) in such a way as to baffle so many.
Theorist,
I have suspected this from the start, or that someone else other than the three dummies was involved.
But, searching the house and other cars 3 weeks on, is a little too late. I don’t expect much result unless the little s**t finally confessed something, which I doubt.
The dad is a good friend of the police chief and the attorney general. He get all the information from the investigation.
The three kids made up the story and blamed the two security guards after they certainly heard from dad that a georgia woman told the FBI about those two security guards bumping her for cigarettes.
The dad attempting to meet with son, may be to tell him not to confess. The motion to see the son should be denied without prejudice (until after the investigation produces effective results).
great point theo
Cas, I agree with you 100%. They had assistance from the beginning. Daddy is suing to see his son b/c he has heard from everyone that his son is breaking down. He wants to reassure him that everything is okay, that authorities have not found anything, and to keep his mouth shut.
I just read a story about the home search of one of the boys. I am a bit confused of something. The security guard was talking with one of the boys while in jail, he originally stated that he didn’t tell this kid who he was, then why would this boy tell the security guard “sorry” (I’m assuming because he was falsely incarcerated)?
Can anyone clarify this??
I totally agree that for the aruban investigators to be so baffled, someone had to lead these three scared s#$%less kids in some direction and who better than a judicial expert dad. He knows as much as those three kids. My worst fear is she may never be found. If the two brothers are innocent then hopefully Joran confided in them before spilling the beans to dear old dad.
Wow…
This amazing. Good thing they are wearing those whites suit, in order to not contaminate things. Not like it wasn’t contaminated over the last THREE WEEKS. This is why I hate going abroad to second world countires, things are so backwards
I admire the Holloway family for keeping the pressure on wrt these three young men. If it weren’t for the eyes of the world being on this case, I have a suspicion that innocent men would have taken the rap for this. The media can be a pain and a circus, but without it and the parents, this case might have “disappeared” just like Natalee:(
TD I agree with you I think if it wasn’t for the media this case would have disappeared
If it wasn’t for the mother helping to clear the innocent I think the media would have disappeared.
You guys, and gals, are right on. It is incredible that they have waited so long to search the house. If we did things like this in the U.S., we wouldn’t ever be able to catch a serial killer, rapist, etc.
I am hearing more and more that the FBI is not a significant part of the investigation. If this is true, then I am doubtful if this case will ever be solved.
Just keep praying and maybe God will open the doors in spite of certain parties wanting to keep those doors closed.
The only thing preventing Aruba from becoming another Haiti is the fact that Americans want to go there.
I don’t understand why no one is sitting the dutch boy down and saying “ok, it has been said that YOU were the last one to see Natalee alive, so what happened that night after the two of you left the bar?” It seems like everyone is saying something, except the one that needs to be talking!! Unbelievable….
Why doesn’t someone get a psychic involved? They seem to work in some cases and what would they have to lose? Those kids need to just fess up already. Let the family have peace!
The car was too clean, the silver Honda. That was a big plug to me that dear old dad probably helped out and his advice followed. He did not go to jail with the mother early on in this when he was allowed visitors. I think the kid did give her the date rape drug and then when things went wrong called on dad to rescue him out of this. Dad taught him how to gamble and rumble and from earlier reports when the police went to question this kid on the first day Mrs Holloway was on the island, the father was livid. He really gave the police a hard time. That scared them off for while and he probably thought his bully tactics would cause Mrs Holloway to cave. Speaking of caves. There are several caves in Aruba. I wonder if the dogs have been called to search those areas? Lord let the truth prevail and be Natalee’s defense. Let Paulus Van der Sloots sins find him out today. I do however also believe the other two brothers were just as guilty in this. They helped him drug her and possibly helped him defile her. I doubt they are totally innocent in this.
I agree, I got a chill when I was watching the news and they stated that the officers confiscated the parents vehicles. A blue suv. if you looked in the psychic section, you will see one stated “a blue volkswagon, van or sedan”.
Quart knee ,man you are so ignorant
Connie, what psychic section?
I am as frustrated as everyone else on the board that the crime is not being solved. I do not, however, understand the relentless attacks on the parents. From everything that I have read they are not rich but are a middle class family. Just because their son went bad does not mean that they are running around covering everything up. Until the facts come out, the parents should be given the benefit of the doubt.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=65
I was wondering do any of you think Natalee may still be alive? Statistically I think that she must be dead and even in my heart I think she is most likely dead. But, I still am holding out hope for a miracle and that she will be found alive. However, from very early on I have been thinking that it is possible that these huys sold her into prostitution. Perhaps to help fund Van der Sloot’s gambling habit. The fact there appears to be no physical evidence of her death or a body and it is a small island with very clear ocean water it seems something would have turned up. I also, have my doubts that the panties and other alleged evidence has anything to do with her. Look at the panties that were being held up they were not wet or muddy and if they had been there during the ran over the past few days near a pound in the dirt why are the so clean? The tape looked new and nicely cut and hardly looked as if it could have been used to restrain someone. What are your comments and thoughts?
Well as I understand it’s a rule of threes. Three minutes without oxygen, three days without water, three weeks without food.
Quart knee , the reason Aruba is not like Haiti is that it is not inhabited or ruled by Haitians.
Haiti could be a tourist destination if they could get their act together but that seems nearly impossible.
I have read about the mom, teacher , loves kids, loves the arts, into Buddism. But all accounts of the dad decribe him as a high roller in the casino’s, teaching his son to gamble, drink and chase the women. He obviously has been doing just that from all photo’s and webposts of the younger van der sloot.
Eugene – i think the prostitution ring to be a remote possiblity especially in light of Amy Bradley but I think Joran killed this girl, had the brothers help bury her in a shallow grave, at some point told his dad what happened, dad said look, here’s how we play this, we spin the story about dropping her off and placing the guilt on “a dark figure”, this bought some time, daddy has since gotten rid of the body for good knowing no body and no confessions equals no case. I sense that is why he wants to see Joran, to tell him this body will never be found and to hang in there as he senses the kid may be about to crack.
one thing to say. BOYCOTT ARUBA
Are you kidding me, they are just getting around to searching Joran’s house in detail?
Here’s the problem that the rest of the world doesn’t get. Little dutch boy only saw a girl – all alone – and vulerable, so he took advantage of her as he must have done countless times before, and I’m sure dear old daddy always managed to “fix” things. But what they didn’t realize is that although she was only ONE little girl out of 300 million Americans she had all the weight of American society behind her. What did they think? We wouldn’t miss her? A strike against ONE of us is a strike against ALL of us. Aruba is just lucky we like the Dutch b/c if we didn’t they might get a big surprise, just ask the folks in Grenada.
I’m a hater, stop following me!
I just don’t get it! Where is NATALIE? This has got to be the worst investigation ever! I just ASSUMED they had ALREADY searched Joran’s house and found nothing! But NOW? They are searching his house NOW- after 3 weeks??? This is absolutely pathetic! I truly don’t think Joran’s parents are involved but who knows! How does a girl just disappear from a tiny island? They should also search all of Joran’s friends/family houses as well. This guy is a real creep! I feel terrible for the family and I do really hope that she turns up alive but the more time passes, the more I feel she wont.
I have to wonder. If this was the last night Natalee was going to be in Aruba and she was making the best out of the last night…If she was a beach person she may have wanted to go down to the beach. Not knowing Natalee personally I dont know if she was a beach person or how much she liked the water. But it is close to the backs of all the hotels there. If she did go for a walk and ended up drowning, would she have shown up on the shore by now? I know the tide can be very powerful at certain times in that area down by the piers.
If in fact she was drunk or drugged and walking alone in that area, how far would she have made it? How familiar was she to the outside of the hotel walking to know where she was? Was she driven around the entire week to know even what the front side of her building parking lot looked like? Did she take the bus during the week or taxis? I am grabbing thoughts out of my brain trying to justify her disappearence. Was Natalee known as a homebody or an independent soul? What was her true nature to not wanting/needing a member of her classmates to go with her into the car? Just dont get the fact that she would want to be alone with VDS or even more with the two others. I would get the feeling she would want two of her friends to go squish in the car before getting in alone with two others. Just doesnt make sense to me.
Billy- I am beginning to think regardless of the american interest that they will not find the body and this case will never result in an arrest and these kids are on the street in a 120 days.
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I find it amazing that there may be a possibility that the father knew about this. I am not going so far as to say he was involved.
Does anyone know what is happening now? If these guys were under police surveillance all this time, then don’t you think they would have seen those guys doing some weird stuff such as maybe checking to see that her body was not washed ashore, or cleaning the car, etc? Or, were they just so slick that that they knew they were going to be watched and they just layed low? I think they are saying the guys were under surveillance as a way to cover themselves in case people are saying they didn’t nab these guys quickly enough. Now this story seems to have become a race issue because the guards were nabbed first and not the kids.
JOJO – i think you are naive to think these parents don’t know and have not helped in the coverup, daddy has been helping all along- hence the house not be searched for three weeks, they keep giving this family time to clean up this mess.
Oh my word I dont think I will be able to handle this if it comes down to the black/white issue ARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH
Also everyone, remember Joran’s mother’s reaction versus the guard’s mothers reation, the guard’s mother was very emphatic he did not do anything, by contrast Joran’s mother looked in shock and the best she could say was Joran told me not to worry. I think the mother is the least involved but I have thought ever since I saw her statement on tv that she knew her son was guilty and had murdered this girl.
By all accounts, it is not black/white like here in the US but is more based on class and your standing along lines of wealth.
In reply to Mika – daddy is the puppet master, he knew from the start and after the questioning they would be watching Joran and the others and he has been handling the cleanup himself.
crs – of course and alas, I think you are right. Unless they find the body this isn’t going anywhere. All we can do, as Americans, is NOT GO THERE. I was there many years ago, and still for the life of me, I can’t figure out why any group of teens would want to go there. There are plenty of other places and islands to go that are far far nicer with much much more things to do and see. They should hate the travel agent that sent them there – what a B.S. story he/she must have given them – unless you’re a couple who wants to spend time in your room or on the beach, and shopping, there isn’t much there to interest teens (assuming getting drunk out of your mind everynight and gambling isn’t on the agenda).
Let’s not forget – if they don’t crack little dutch boy soon, come September he’s off to the United States to college here.
Billy – I agree with you and the best way to make a difference and meaningfully change Aruba is to not spend our dollars there until they make some changes, sadly, I think this case will be forgotten in six months to a year and the emotions we all feel now will have been forgotten, think 9/11, i remember after 9/11 everyone said i will never be the same but i think very few think about 9/11 much anymore and that was a national tradgedy.
One thing is for sure, Joran never comes to this country now, although i bet more than a few people wish he would so that they could do to him what it is assumed he did to Natalee
For the Aruban officials to search Joran’s house something must have been said during interrogation. I only wish that they would tell everyone something.
crs – as one who used to look out of my kitchen window and see the twin towers way off in the distance, I can tell you here in the metropolitian New York/New Jersey area WE have not forgotten about 9/11 – we deal with it EVERYDAY. Just yesterday they had the very last funeral for a fireman who’s remains were finally identified and it was all over the news. If its not a top priority for the rest of the country, I can understand that – it didn’t affect them as much – we lost 3,000 people who were our neighbors. Sadly, as we have come to know, the media will drop this case when a “new victim” comes along.
I think this search is another rope a dope to make it look like they are doing something but really doing nothing at all, why would you not have done this three weeks ago, daddy is pulling the strings, this case is corrupt, and sadly Natalee will not be found and these kids will be free in a 120 days. The american media will start pulling out in a couple weeks to cover the next big story.
Joran’s going to be studying forensic science while in the U.S. and is planning on coaching woman’s volleyball.
Billy – that is what I meant, the country as a whole, I live in Georgia and the only time you here about 9/11 anymore down here is on 9/11 when people remember for ten minutes, I am glad NY still remembers, it saddens me like you say that even though it happened to our country that as you say it did not affect people outside of NY more.
MichaelSavage – yeah, but Joran will be teaching the class.
I just want to say that I am very concerned and stressed out by this whole case. It is taking way to long to solve, I hope Natalee is ok and continue to pray, but the longer it takes to find her, the more discouraged I feel that she will turn up alive. What a wonderful website to come into and check out the facts and opinions of others. I never knew I could care so much about someone I have never met in my life. Let’s continue to pray and hope Natalee is ok, JVDS can rot in hell for what he’s done, he will meet his maker, one day!
Billy- Out of curiousity do you like the freedom tower plan or what Trump proposed better(basically rebuilding the towers only taller), also do most NY’ers like Trump?
sjo – I agree that it is strange the connection we all seem to feel with this girl although none of us has ever met her or known her.
Trump wants to rebuild the towers in his image; pear-shaped and pale.
She could have been anyone’s daughter, or any one of us visiting a foriegn island for fun. She represents the best in America’s youth! The future.
MS – I must say – you do have a one-liner for everything!
Michael Savage,
I thought you were going to take your pup for a walk..Take a Break for your dog’s sake!
To Connie: I did email the psychic information to the Aruba Today news paper in hopes that someone will at least take a look. What would it hurt. If they find the body then it will end and the evidence will bring them all down. If they don’t find the body then it will probably disappear from the media very soon.
I thought he was walking the dog too, I tried to get away on the other board.
What psychic evidence?
Just came back because it’s so stinking hot in Florida. My dog is well conditioned(pitbull) but it’s a little oppressive for serious doggie exercise.
I can’t speak for most NY’ers b/c I’m in Northern New Jersey – I can only speak for myself and what feelings I gather from the people around me (New Yorkers included). Trump is a master at self-promotion and we give him credit for that. I think most people don’t really care what he says or does unless he’s trying to buy the building you are living in. I actually liked the idea of just rebuilding the way it was.
What part of Florida, we have same problem in Georgia right now, 90 with humidity that makes it feel like 125.
Billy – I think rebuilding it and slightly taller would be a fitting tribute.
Tampa bay. Going out for a 30 mile team training (cycling) ride in about an hour. It’s going to be brutal!!!!! But I like suffering for some reason……
CRS : http://forum.aceboard.net/106010-52-3310-0-Breaking-News-Confession-murder-Alabama-Teen.htm
Posted 14/06/2005 03:30:07
I am giving the location of where Natalie maybe located. As a psychic trying to help. I believe the she is located in Arikok National park in the area surrounding the 1. Prins Plantation 2. 200 feet from the road 400 feet from a trail. Her head is facing South/West. 3 There are 3 scrub like bushes next to her She is buried under three feet in depth. 4. People that were looking for her passed by and missed where she was buried by 50 feet The area is smooth hump and can not be noticed as being a grave site.. 5. the 17 year old hurt her but the others where there She died at the hands of the 17 year old white male. She died at a turn off road parking lot for a trail head. The two brothers where there and had their way with her. 6. The two black males had nothing to do with the crime and should be let go. I will pray for the family and friends of Natalie. I have a detailed map of the area with an X of the location that needs to be checked. I hope that this information will help in the investigation and you pass it on.to people that can investigate this location in more detail.
Gerster
I was looking at the other psychic prediction that was found by clickin the link, and came accross something of interest ( mostly to myself). The other psychic said to search around Arikik National park. There’s a place approximately, 4 miles from the park only accessable by 4 wheel drive, called the natural pool. I think it would be wise to establish a time frame from teh time they left the bar, til the time they got home.
Does anyone know if they found anything on Joran’s computer?
MS – have fun with that!
So two psychics say the National Park area. I do hope and pray someone in Aruba will take the tips and go search the area.
I would fall out of my chair if that is where they found her.
Agreeably, what do they have to loose now? This investigation could have been over with by now if they knew what they were doing. I’m not blaming the officials there, they aren’t used to crimes of this magnitude.
M Savage……..if only you were in Aruba and could expend all that energy in a search!
As odd as it sounds, will one of you in Aruba take the info above and check it out with some friends? Peace.
I don’t know they will ever establish a timeline, I don’t think anyone pays much attention to these kids in terms of parents, I think they have come and gone for years and done what they liked. To the parents, this was just like any other night.
crs – I like that idea very much. But unless the gov’t is willing to spend big $$ to protect it …..i don’t know ….. This area hasn’t gotten the federal funding – the NY/NJ area is a target and yet the government talks a good story but never comes up with the money to fix the problems. Lets face it – checking the passengers on a plane is fine, but not the luggage in the cargo hold? Please…..!!! Duh!!! plus they have the so called security X-raying your bring on board bags and your shoes, but they aren’t armed – we need the national guard to set up permanant residence at the airports with AK47′s – not a bunch of $10 an hour “security” guards. Duh!
But I digress! It all comes down to Natalee’s mother and her ability to keep her daughter’s story alive. She’s going to have to show some grit and do whatever it takes to keep getting her story on the media, if only to make it clear to other Americans that this is not a place you want to go.
Come on, to everyone who keeps saying in one way or another that Aruba is not used to crime of this magnitude. Please, this is not a serial killer or even a good single, one time attempt at murder. Three boys and Natalee in a car, confirmed, no doubt about in the middle of the night, who have sense blamed and in blameing lied that it was a dark security guard all by all indications have changed their stories at least twice. Two four years with pez dispensers would have solved this case by now.
My last post, I meant two four year olds with pez dispensers. Billy, I agree, I hope the mom is able to keep the case in the public eye and in some manner get closure. I don’t know how you ever move on from something like this and go back to your job and some semblance of a life. I have not heard of any NH brothers or sisters, has anyone else?
crs – My concern now is that if dutch boy isn’t charged he certainly could come here – the news said he was already accepted to some college in Florida and was coming here in September – that school should cancel his acceptance. and if he’s as smart as i think, he won’t come here – we all know what he looks like.
I may be giving this kid too much credit but surely he has to realize americans literally despise him. I just read on MSNBC that this kid lives in an attached apartment to the family house in Aruba.
Hey savage -
who is more oppressive you or your pit bull?
The american media and I just saw it again on MSNBC keep refering to the dad as a high profile judge while Aruba spokes people seem to characterize him as a lower middle class nobody which again makes me think Aruba is trying to cover up and spin this or that our media is not telling the truth to make the story seem like a coverup. Thoughts, is it possible are media is exaggerating and we are being suckered?
crs – 17 years old and his “attached” apartment to his family’s house – that’s just great. Well, why not, they already gave him a car when he’s not old enough to drive legally in Aruba, but oh, that’s for other people. He’s out drinking, gambling, and getting layed at 17 years old. I guess all the screaming and groaning coming from his room was too much for mom and dad so they gave him his own apartment.
This kid Joran thought he was untouchable and scary thing is, he might be right.
crs – well, if the Aruba gov’t is right and he comes from a lower middle class home (we’ll forget about a nice car, apartment, computer, and headed for college in the US) then they are all the more stupid b/c they can’t crack a 17 year old low-class moron.
Is someone going to forward the psychic’s information to the official’s in Aruba?? I think this is something worth checking out.
Whoever writes a book on this will make a fortune.
Someone said that they had forwarded the info to the paper there, nothing was said about sending it to officials
what a bunch of losers
Billy – agreed on the arubans. SJO, if we start hanging our hats on a psychic, I think we’re in big trouble.
That is the genesis for the Scared Monkeys name , we all sit around doing see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil while it all around us
Having spent some time on Aruba, I can tell you there are numerous desolate areas reachable only by ATV or 4 wheel drive. The terrain is very rugged, with alot of coastline. We went 4 wheeling in an area located near the California lighthouse. The lighthouse is located on the point of the island and the coastline behind the lighthouse is rough. That rugged coastline extends pretty much the length of the island and includes the area that the chapel overlooks, the natural bridge, and the natural pool. We rode ATVs and our Jeep all over these areas. Lots of nooks and crannies in the terrain. Lots of hiding places. The timeline issue is crucial. When can it be established that any or all of the three were somewhere after 2 am that morning. To get from one end of the island to the other on these nonpaved roads, even for locals, would take quite some time. If Natalee is dead, then I believe that she was either put in the ocean near Fisherman’s Beach or the lighthouse; or she is buried or hidden in that same area. I just dont see these three hauling her all over the island. I also do not think that she has been moved. Sloots daddy isnt that stupid.
Jessica- If you don’t like the discussion, then eat shit- go do something you think is useful with your time. Nobody is forcing you to read what is posted!
Billy- Normally I wouldn’t steer in the direction of a psychic- but this case is dragging on, I think it maybe worth checking out at this point, I guess anything could be possible, and psychics have solved cases like this one in the past. It’s worth a shot- Now- I would seriously freak out if what the psychic said were true though.
sjo – I have no problem with the psychic – what the hell. and it would be totally wild if they actually do find her there. At this point, the psychics can’t do any worse than the Aruba police. As I’ve said before, 70,000 Arubans need to get their shovels and start digging. Otherwise, they will be looking for employment off the island, b/c we are coming there anymore.
correction: we aren’t coming there anymore
This is true- the Aruban police are sure showing what they are made of….I think we would have a better chance if Barney Fife were on the case….
I figured that’s what you meant.
We cannot blame an entire country for one misfortune. It isn’t Aruba’s fault that these boys did something so unthinkable.
You can’t go anywhere without the possibility of running into something bad. Every country has it’s dark side.
I’m not blaming the country at all- I just think that the sense of urgency the officials have demonstrated in solving the case sucks!! They are just now searching homes, please, in the USA- that would have been the first thing done. What have they been doing the last 3 weeks?
I think the Aruban police are dumb like a fox. Let’s face it, that jerk went and murdered an American and created a big mess for them. If he killed a local girl, I’m sure this would have all gone away. And the Aruban family of the local girl would get absolutely NO WHERE. I’m sure he’s been up to crap his whole teenage life and I’m sure dear old dad has covered up plenty. Let’s face it, how many 17 year olds do you know that is such a “high stepper” as this guy. He wasn’t afraid to take on a bunch of American kids at the bar, as I’ve read he had a confrontation with boys from her group. This 17 year old is much older than any I’ve ever met.
Billy- “dumb like a fox”. I agree.
She could have gone swimming and drowned. There have been a couple of cases in Aruba of tourists either floating away on a raft or swimming to far out. Last night on the island, one last swim, alcohol ……it’s a possibility
Great White- Then why the lie from the three boys?
Good question. Kids are fickle at that age and they might just want to turn on each other to get the blame or doubt directed to the other guy. They’re thinking that “I” didn’t do it; maybe”he” did go back afterwards on his own. How can we trust rumors about conflicting stories coming from Aruban authorities id we can’t trust all the other rumors. Consider the source everyone……the stories of “changing stories” could be another basless rumor. Consider the source.
Did anyone forward the message from the psychic??
Kriss -earlier in the thread, someone stated it had been sent to a reporter in Aruba or something of the sort. Maybe “Aruba Today”?s
The only thing preventing Aruba from becoming another Haiti is the fact that Americans want to go there.
what ignorance!
yamanota–How is that ignorance? The thing separating Aruba from Haiti is MONEY.
Hi, I’ve been following this story for days. I do not think that Natalee is dead.
1) There has been no body found despite great effort.
2) No reason to murder by any of the arrested.
3) Too many people saw the thrre (in jail) leave with Natalee.
4) The statement by Mickey. People go missing all the time but ar usually are found.
Therefore I believe she must still be alive. Check any “houses” on Aruba now. Her safety will not last forever.
As the mother of three grown girls, I can relate to Natalee’s mom and the fear and frustration she is going through. My heart aches for her. How can those involved in her disappearence hesitate for one second to cease the pain of her parents. Few crimes go unsolved and today with DNA and forensic science it is just a matter of time before the pieces start to fit together. These gutless, gangsta wannabee pee-heads need to look at what they have done. look at the pain they are causing and stop pretending to ba all that and do the right thing the thing that takes guts and integrity and soul they need to tell the truth and stop this maddness. There is to much mud in the water it is clear that they are hiding something they need to redeem themselves as human beings instead of gutter rats. The truth will set them free!!!!!
Waited–
I remember someone physic saying something about a house with a number 53 or 56 that was blue and white. He said NE or NW but I just can’t find it again. Weak info, I know. This is horribly frustrating.
well perhaps some of the native Arubans can clear this up for me
I was looking up maps of Aruba trying to find where the Montana area was that this Joran fellow lives in and I see it is located in the area called Noord, in the Northern part of the island in fact it is not that far from Eagle Beach and the Holiday Inn
OK Joran is now saying the brothers dropped him off first
now where do the brothers live……
because on the map it seems to me dropping Joran off and then dropping off Natalie doesn’t look implausibe esp if you assume they went to the Lighthouse first, in fact Joran would be first to drop off unless of course the brothers live in that same neck of the woods, and in most cases, you always drop off the lady first, but hey, I’m just confused as to why Joran’s story is so implausible, maybe the brothers are setting him up……..
the father is not only not a high profile judge he flunked his exam to become a judge and was supposed to retake it
must be out to all hours gambling and whoring with his kid
frankly I could never concentrate on an island that hot………
If Aruban authorities are feeling local pressures to protect those that abducted and may have harmed Natalle, it is necessary to help Natalee’s mother maintain her guard up, by keeping interest alive, providing media and political pressures.
The Aruban Prime Minister and other authorities did not come forward and opened up to give information in press conferences and releases, until Condoleeza Rice gave him a call, the Alabama governor visited the island and the american media overwhelmed them.
It seems to me that phone records should be checked. I visualize a teenager in trouble calling home saying, ” Dad, I’ve got a problem. This girl and I were making out and she stopped breathing! I don’t know what to do! After a few minutes of choice Danish swear words he says, “OK, son I know someone who will take care of it. He owes me a big favor.” What father could not help in that situation?
RE: Gambling
Why do people gamble? With the hope of getting a lot of money with little effort. This goes to the point from article criticizing Geraldo (not my favorite- don’t get me wrong). But person criticizing Geraldo- said why would Judge be “on the take” well, maybe he wants to drive something a little nicer than his Honda. Gambling also is characteristic of someone willing to take risks. Judge may have been owed money by someone else- possibly gave up financial reward in return for helping him clean up a certain situation.
Natalee’s mother will get an answer regardless of whether or not the media stays interested. Mountain Brook is a close knit community with powerful contacts. The FBI doesn’t send 10 agents within 24 hours for any ole disappearance.
It really doesn’t matter if the kid talks or how much covering up the father does – this wasn’t the right girl to victimize if they wanted to get away with it.
I believe their gov is covering up and helping out the father. I also believe they will probably let all three go. I don’t see much justice in any of the justice systems lately. I also believe the boys and the father will be handled accordingly in due time.
I disagree with everyone that is blaming Natalee. She is not the type of girl to be irresponsible. She wasn’t “that” drunk – you’re listening to the media if you believe this. Her friends agree she had been drinking but was fine. She is an upstanding girl with a bright future. This was stolen from her in the worst possible way.
Aruba should face the consequences for the pathetic investigative work and allowing this to go on this long. I hope the economy does hurt. Those three boys could have been cracked within 24 hours had the gov not been interested in protecting the 17 year and his family. I will never go Aruba – but I already boycott France and it’s products so boycotting is no biggie for me.
Any word on those parachute panties? I’ve heard that they looked as though they could fit Kirstie Allie, so I doubt whether they belonged to Natalee.
RE: Swimming Theory
Do you really think someone would go in water that late at night?
1)She sounded ready to go- bags packed- why get out another set of clothes.
2)When we were there, there were eels and other things swimming around- water blue, but can’t see at night- doesn’t sound likely.
3)Why not go back to hotel and sneak into pool?
4)Why get all wet, you can’t lay down or you’ll be caked with sand, and who would want to walk in a soaked outfit several blocks back to hotel?
5)Seems very out of character to go to random beach spot, hours before departure?
6) Could possibly see the young Van der Sloot saying “Hey let me show you this one last beautiful place before you leave?” Van der Sloot very familiar with all nooks and crannies of island.
7)Why did Van der Sloot have webpage on Tickle.com? Check it out- it’s a internet dating service? Have trouble meeting girls? His site was closed down asap after Natalee reported missing. Why?? What would he have to hide? Do you think he would have had presence of mind to end his subscription to site? Finally, heard Van der Sloots bringing in intellectual property attorney vs. criminal defense? What’s on that computer anyway?
Brown – Vandersloot had pictures of all of his tourist “conquests” on his personal web page. So the site was more than just a dating site for him.
My heart goes out to the family of Natalee Holloway. My personal feelings are that that $^%$^%$ Dutch boy killed her and is covering it up. I hope he makes it to America. Then we can show him some real American justice! I personally think President Bush should launch an invasion of Aruba or else threaten something. An attack on Natalee Holloway, an American, is an attack on us all!
Thanks Billy.. We have a beautiful lost girl that was doing nothing but trying to have a good time to remember on her last night on a beautiful island. Now we see how lucky we are to have a government -law enforcement that we now can appreciate. I hope for the family that a end to this nightmare will come soon , but this has left a mark for the rest of us and for this island that will not be forgotten for a long time. Iam frightenedby the thought of how the lawyers work over there, From a legal prospective this is a nightmare, I just hope we find Natallee and can bring her back home. As far as Aruba is concerned if this is not handled properly i’m afraid they can kiss the American tourism GOODBYE
alot of people who live in caribbean post on these dating sights…to meet tourists in advance….before they come…seems that this is what Jorans and his pals were doing..as one of histwo pals profiles is still posted and has numerous girls who are travelling to aruba…making contact with this guy….
Why don’t we just spend our tourism dollars in America where we can at least be halfway safe? I say we all boycott ALL Caribbean islands that are not under American control. Limit your vacations to Puerto Rico, St. Thomas, or St. Martin’s. Also, to any girls that are responding to that embicile’s personal ad down in Aruba: WAKE UP!!! Do you want to be killed or sold into slavery? It’s a whole different ball game out there. Once you leave the United States, your safety is entirely in their hands. What happened to Amy Bradley or Natalee could happen to YOU!!! Boycott Aruba!!!
did anyne else read the May 31st entry on http://www.briansprediction.com. He states that natalee was “abducted” from a party. He also stated that she WAS alive now (May 31st), but would be killed.
I don’t know how valid these “predictions” are….but take a look and give a thought.
He incorrectly stated the outcome of the Michael Jackson case. So beware.
To Darthvader”
I think the brother recognized Mickey in jail from all the news reports. He knew that was the black guy that they had implicated. The brother admitted a different story than originally stated because he knew Mickey would tell his lawyer and because he felt guilty.
What we all know DEFINITELY is that these three suspects lie. We need evidence to back up anything they say. The brother in jail said that Joran text messaged them via cell phone and said that he would email them in one hour. If this is true, surely text messages can be retrieved if deleted emails can be. If a text message does not exist and it can be proven that there never was a text message written in Joran’s cell phone, than that implicates the brothers further.
Have the brother’s houses been searched yet? just curious to see what is happening with this case from what I can see not much. I would definitely think text message information can and should have been obtained at this point. But I quess I wouldn’t be suprised if it hasn’t. For the family’s sake I hope something happens soon.
i agree kim
Bham:
Regarding Van der Sloot’s webpage. Yes, there are several pictures of females on there. However, how do you know they were his “personal conquests”? Actually, several of the women were from different continents, apparently corresponding with a guy who may be able to talk smooth with keyboard, but is a loser in person. Seems more like he liked pictures of women on his website to give the appearance that he was the ladies man. Hey you fell for it.
any news this morniG? I need to head to work but was just wondering…
Only thing i will say is..all of the searching, raiding, should have been done 2 weeks ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not now, two weeks later, when evidence is propb cleaned up and thrown away STUPID>>. im sue daddy took care of everything once joran got taken in!
i met to say sure daddy took care of everything…not sue ..typo ..sorry
if confiscated the cell phones, clothes…Comp..searched cars, and houses the first day they took them in….Natalee would have been found..not sure if she would be alive or not………..but we wouldnt be here talkin bout how rediculous this investigation has gone. Its uncalled for, unprofessional, and inexcusable..and i feel so much for her family! Its a discrace!!!!!! IN a month or so the aruba government will be coverin their asses just like they are coverin Joran’s NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kelly – you ar e so right that it is sick!what a farce
Im sick of hearin that Natalee should have been more responsible, and this and that (like she is being blamed) ya know..yeah it wasnt the smartest of choices..but she is sitll someones friend, sister, daughter, etc….and she deserves to be treatd that way…Not like she is the cause of this…… Im not sayin people on here are sayin that…just people on other sites from Aruba…and No IM NOT DISSIN ON ARUBA IN ANY WAY!!!! Just sayin that a few people that said they were from aruba were sayin “oh she shouldnt have done this, or done that..” Well no kiddin….still doesnt give anyone the right to hurt her! Sorry everyone…lol……had to vent….this is all gettin very frustrating…
I just dont understand how we know the route this investigation should have gone, but ova there…..they arent comin up with all this til two weeks later….That would just not be acceptable if that were me..Im sorry..there is No excuse whatsoever for the delays……..The evidence is gone by now..or tampered with…etc….they really failed on all levels and efforts !
Billy
where is the support of the 300 million americans
for the soldiers in iraq that fighting a fals war of your president
5 americans at least die everyday in war that had started on false
information . a strike against one of you is a strike against all americans why you don’t help your countryman in iraq they die every day in iraq
now er is one missing american in aruba you start to talk like aruba
is dangerous place to be. america is save huh you got the most convics most drugs abusers serialkillers your society is a breading place for serialkilllers so think twice for wright shit abOUt aruba
ARUBA IS NOT FOR BORING PEOPLE
WE ARE HAPPY PEOPLES WE LIKE TO PARTY
IF YOU DON’T LIKE THAT YOUR NOT WELCOME
WHY YOU THINK AMERICANS LIKE ARUBA ???
1.COCAINE
2.PARTY
3.BUEATY OF THE IsLAND
OR ALL THREE
WE ALL NOW FOR WHAT
I am from Mountain Brook, AL. I know the Holloway family. They are very welathy and influential, as are most all families in Mountain Brook. Mountain Brook is the wealthiest residential area in Birmingham. I feel that this case is receiving surmounted publicity because of the class status of the family. I agree that this case is sad. Hopefully it will be resolved and the family can have closure. While this case is very important, I feel as though there are many children and adults missing in the US that will never get this much publicity. Class status is the only reason that this case is receiving so much publicity. There have been many other teens and young adults who have gone missing in Aruba. I feel a bit as though this case is only media’s next “enertainment” session. Just as with Terry Shiavo and the Runaway bride, the media presents emotional and sensational stories to draw in viewers. What has happened to the real news? What about the actions of our government? It seems as though the news should be mainly for reviewing senate and congressional hearings, et cetera. There are many Americans missing both at home and abroad.
Seems like anyone living in Aruba and frequenting a beach would know which areas are safe for swiming, especially a boy who is on a swim team. So its clear, one whole side of Aruba is wind swept and rough, with dangerous tides and currents and dangerous for swimmers. So it seems to me that the easiest way to get rid of a body would be to take it there and let the currents take it out to sea? A lot easier than trying to hide it or bury it on a small island where it is likely to be discovered.
Seems to me like this may not be the first time for “whoever” done it. A few scenarios: One: the investigative forces are truly lacking in abilities and consequently cannot find any evidence. Two: The investigative forces do not want to find any evidence. Three: The “whodoneits” are extremly lucky. Four: The “whodoneits” have had practice and are quite proficient/professional in thier activities.
I wonder if the Dad or any of the boys have a boat, maybe searching their boat would be a good idea.
have been searching for this confession every one says has been made …does every one in this world give up something called HOPE ,more than likley anyone of them men will gv some sort of lie to get them out of the position they are in now …what does come over some peoples minds ??? 100 students well where were they all???? all those ? we ask what it all comes down to is this girl is lost hopefully safe…. we sd start feeling her families feelings instead of sendind commets bk in forth of OH MY THERE WAS A CONFESSION INLESS U CAN BK THAT UP!!! what if it was your child …listen to what your writing!!…just my feelings to all those who dont hv the facts stright
and who cares on how much $$$$$$ these people have fact us ——aruba ???? that is why it has become a headline!!! not a $$$ issue …looking at what this mother has gone thru if she has a little money in her pocket …THANK GOD because im sure it is going to use now …some people act as tho these people are having a tea party with all the camers in their face how wd you feel if your son daughter step son step daughter niece nephew mom father etc.. were missing and people in this country are worried about who has more money well we live in a country that gives us many reasons to b thank ful i feel bad this mother has to deal with this in another …this young lady needs everyones prayers not our thoughts on …OH MY MOM AND DAD ARE RICH >>>OR ONLY BECAUSE SHE IS A PRETTY GIRL come on ..hopefully you who has something off the wall to say besides only goodness of your heart hopefully this never NEVER happens to you!!
the kid is innocent, the father shouldnt have been arrested, the girl is probably at the bottom of the ocean, joran’s mom should shut her big mouth, and damned if its not time for parents to start cracking down on their kids…..
really, what the hell is a kid who just graduated doing in aruba?!?!?!?!
what parent would send their kid to aruba by his/herself with no adult supervision.
the mom wants justice….so do millions of other less fortunate mothers that have lost their sons or daughters in places like L.A., Detroit, Brooklyn, and a host of other cities where parents let their kids do what they want to do.
if you spare the rod, you hurt your child
kids need to be spanked from time to time
to toran man ter flute if they are innocet then why did they hv no comment if i didnt do it and i was being arrested i wd be crying upset the emotions wd be over un controlled dont you think they wd be they same way hand cuffed off to jail not calm son dont speak if your innocent of course your going to speak loud ….loud as you can!! i guess everyone has their oppions!!
First of all, Mellisa, none of your posts make sense, you need to learn how to spell and second, analyze real life situations instead of dreaming up a fictitious perfect life in LaLa Land gone wrong. Tears don’t really do much except show weakness. You must have been the child that grew up screaming “child abuse” and calling hotlines everytime your parents even raised their voice at you. I am pretty sure, through long hours and days of questioning, these suspects have been crying, upset, and speaking as loud as they possibly can. It’s too bad they don’t live in your LaLa Land, or else they would have been found not guilty and gone home to eat cookies with milk and watch barney and friends with you by now. And finally, the last part of your post, what the hell is oppions? Don’t you know that opinions is spelled with one p and you have to add an extra n and i? It’s okay, you probably can’t see that because you have your pom pom’s in the way.
What about the 3 kids found dead in the trunk of a car in Camden, N.J.? Where’s their extensive news coverage? Where’s their support? My heart goes out to each and every parent that lost their young and beautiful kids.
and you of course are proubly some lazy fat young ,non powerful man who also dont know what he is talking about …so maybe you sd get your facts straight ….and please does that make you feel better telling me what childhood u think i may hv …give me a break I think maybe its the other way around…but if that makes you feel better OKAY do you want to fall on the floor and start kicking your feet …and crying the blues because finally someone dis-agreed with you, you your self are proubly a drunk lush who does nothing but beat on his wife and kids that is if your even old enough…oh or maybe your one of those sick people who sit on the computer all day and get their kicks off of seeing young girls murdered..your commet showed no remorse for this girls family b-4 you even no half the facts you assume they are not GUILTY!!! well maybe their not …I guess thats up to god to bring forth the person who kid-napped her…so b-4 u think u got one over on me …GET A GRIP !!!..and maybe my spelling was off …more than likley because I was so upset to hear someone hv such a phrase of words used …all in one sentence…so next time you want to throw words at someone to make you feel better about you self do it to someone who will stand 4 it buddy!!!…you dont have a open mind so maybe this site is not 4 you!!!!…to anyone eles on this site IM SORRY …to you and natalie’s family …may god b- with her where ever she is …
my last comment was 4 —TORAN MAN???????
Your response to my response…well, I shouldn’t have to say much. I don’t think fat drunk men would know much about using a computer, much less care about spelling. Please, get your facts straight and insults in order. Atleast I respect God enough to spell His name with a capital “G”. It’s okay Melissa, everybody that reads your posts can get a pretty clean idea about your intelligence, you’re short temper, and what kind of mentality you bring forth: a closed mind. Oliver Wendell Holmes once said “One’s mind, once stretched by a new idea, cannot regain its original dimensions”, so please open and stretch your mind. It’s okay, it won’t hurt as much as you think it will, and yes, you can even do it without using your pom pom’s.
Bring in psychics and get the boys and Juran’s dad to talk–whatever it takes. The inmates are running the asylum. If Natalee wre alive, spirited away to another location for purposes of prostitution those aiding the family woud be following up on it. Instead, they are searching her huge watery grave. The investigation and the coverup by Aruba is a travesty. We cannot let them get away with it. I saw the sweat of the guilty on the face of Juran’s dad last night as he was viewed by the camera. Bring in the psychics. We will never forget Natalee, her pain, and the pain of her family.
Janet
toran man …your little remarks really dont hurt me SO HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO THINK THAT UP !! ….MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL…FOREVER BID YOU …i FEEL BAD FOR YOU …YOU ARE A WASTE OF LIFE…..WE DONT NEED TO HEAR ANY MORE OF YOUR REMARKS …WE ARE HEAR TO DISCUSS A CHILD THAT IS MISSING …NOT TO HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT HOW MAD YOU ARE THAT SHE IS ALL OVER THE HEADLINES….OKAY ..NO ONE CARES THAT YOUR MAD BECAUSE HER FAMILY IS DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN …..ONE DAY BUDDY YOU WILL B- IN THEIR SHOES AND IT WILL PROUBLY BE ONE OF US THAT WORK FOR A LIVING BAIL YOU OUT ….I wont come to your level….take your remarks some where eles
You can’t come to my level, you’re too low, and it’s too late
yes your right I cant come to your level!!…at least you admit it ..Ill gv you that
I thought you would come back with some less-than-half-witty comment about being on a lower level than me, but, I guess you finally realized the cheerleaders place in society. It takes me roughly less than two minutes to write each response to you. I really don’t have to put much thought into it actually. I mean, after all, I am arguing with a cheerleader that’s probably been molested by her father, her brother, her uncle, her cousins, and screwed by the whole high school football team. I beg of you, next time, please try to make a little more sense in a response. Maybe it would help if you started in Microsoft Word and used their “spell and grammar check” and then copy and paste onto this site. Honestly, you’re just a dumb bitch that picked another fight you couldn’t win and too stupid to realize it. So here’s to the dumb bitches that make the world more interesting, after all, without people like you, we wouldn’t be able to say “cheerleaders” and use the two words “are easy” right after.
Cheerleaders I don’t mind, people with bad grammar I don’t mind either, but cheerleaders with bad grammar, now that’s hard to bear.
hey haw in tar nashun deed u git thayat infermashun? i just viddya tapd it
ah swear ah din’t tuch her
Sadly, I think poor Natalee is dead.
The family need to call in the help of a psychic (my tip would be Noreen Renier).
I hope this poor family gets closure.
psychics? are you serious? something like this could have been avoided if the parents did what “toran man ter flute” had previously posted, which is administering the rod to the backside of their children. i dont believe in child abuse, but i certainly dont believe in letting kids run off and do whatever they want to do. will this be a wake up call for parents? probably not. i’m not saying i turned out to be the best person in the world because my parents spanked me, but atleast i’m not at the bottom of the off limit shark infested waters of aruba while having my parents refuse to believe the worst has happened. i cant believe people are actually suggesting that psychics be brought in. how about a…….hmmm, what do you call it……………oh yeah, a LIE DETECTOR? i dont think people take this story very seriously. enough money has been wasted, and now people want psychics to be brought in? is that the only option people see that would solve such a case? wow, its amazing how humans take one step forward and two GIGANTIC steps back. psychics, you fucking morons….
Is it possible Natalee may have been kidnapped and taken off the island? That would explain why they can’t find her and there’s no evidence. Maybe they sold her into slavery. Disgusting as that may sound, authorities need to consider all possibilities.
there are hundreds of children and teenagers that go missing everyday, what makes this case so special and different from all of those other cases that are still unsolved?
I think everyone on here is speculating what could of happened to that girl.
I don’t think because a person’s father or mother is in a position of power that means they would protect or be involved in a criminal case to save their kids.
I think the opposite, they would take the interest of justice first, not be involved in a cover up. I know if , I was involved in crime, my parents would be the first to turn me in. Part of being a good parent is setting good examples. I don’t think he would involve his father in a murder case. His father knows the code of ethics. In europe many children drink at 15 and older. Most kids see topless women on the beach all the time in europe. There are less rapes in general in europe.
I think it would be a mistake for everyone to force the arubans to find this boy gulity, if he may be in fact innocent.
There are so many scenarios that could of happened with this case.
He could of just abandoned the girl and left her to find her way back ‘herself.
Many men pull this kind of thing, when they don’t get their way.
Look at shasta, she was found alive. Natalee could be alive as well. I wish her the best, but I feel her family is manipulating the media on this story. Other children some much younger are missing. No one cares about them. What about shastas brother, no one is looking for this young boy, his picture isn’t on every channel.
I think the longer joran is questioned and refuses to plead guilty the more likely he is telling the truth. He doesn’t know where she is.
I know there are lots of people on death row or have been executed that were innocent.
I watch court TV regulary and if some of you should too. A person isn’t guilty til proven innocent. That is the american mentality. I am american too. But, I am not part of the witch hunt. I praise the aruban goverment, for being careful and calculating with this case. If that boy was in the US, he would be already in jail serving 20 years, until they found out some else killed her or abducted her.
Which seems to happen alot as well in this country. That is just my feeling as someone who has visited 10 countries, I understand the world. Many people in my family ae serving in IRAQ, I am a proud american. I am not quick to convict others without hearing all the information and even then. Evidence can be wrong. The only thing that can I would believe in this case is DNA.
You know, this case is not so baffling! I think this Van Der Sloot, kid is a cold, calculating, predator! He has done this before probably to a poor drug, addicted, prostitute nobody cared enough about. Daddy has taken care of him before and is doing it now! The kid thinks he’s above the law! and The Aruban officials think, American’s are just dumb beauracrats like them that can just be scuffed off and lost in the shuffle. If Joran “baby boy” gets off clear, I would not be a bit suprised! It is plain and simply a poor attempt to cover up a tragic loss of a young girls life! My heart goes out to Natalee’s family! She is dead and if Joran gets off, which i’m pretty sure he will…He should not be allowed to set foot in the U.S.! He Will Kill Again! Now getting back to why this is not so baffling, Joran has lied not once but too many times! It was just too easy for him to blame some less fortunates and let them rot in jail! The Kalpoe’s should not be walking free either! I’ll bet father Van Der Sloot, has threatened them with death! They All know what happened to Natalee, and maybe We will never find out for sure!… That just plain STINKS!
Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on how to give psychic information to help in the investigation. I have been having strange thoughts recently about the case and want to tell someone. Thank you!