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I just wanted to be at the top of the thread.
Congratulations, Kat!
Does anyone have any new information?
Thanks! (Nothing new…but I can’t find any confirmation that CNN reported the blood not to be human)
It was reported on CBS
Fox News online still says “human blood” but not identified who’s blood
girl-
like chingy??
Is it totally shut down, the news there?l
Windyisle…………”Rape” of a prostitute is still Rape…………and, I daresay that no one here believes that Natalee Holloway was anything even remotely close to that !
Let’s stop blaming the victim……………Deviant behavior is still deviant behavior !
Jack the Ripper murdered prostitutes………..He was still a murderer.
Just got back, anything I should know about…
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I’ll only believe it if it comes straight from Dan Rather. He’s never wrong.
Did anyone else here that the 3 guys left Aruba for 2 days after the first interrogation.
they just said it wasnt blood
Fox news is now reporting that blood taken from the car was not blood, that it could have been saliva, but that it was NOT blood.
What next?
FOX, News Alert. Substance found in car, not blood.
It is definitley not blood. Could be saliva but it is not an issue because the boys admitted she was in the car. FOXNEWS
Quote from an attorney of one of the guards…
“This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation,”
Dan, please also close down 1119 thread. I think it’s still open.
How do we report posters that should be blocked?
CancunMole Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 4:49 pm
I too read that the outside camera at the HI was broken.
When leaving C&C, one would have to turn right, drive along the main drag over the bridge to the cinemas then turn left to drive to the hotels and lighthouse.
THANKS CanculMole!
4(a) What are the street names?
4(b) IF NOT GOING TO THE BEACH, but instead going to Joran’s house.. what other streets would be taken?
4(c) IF NOT GOING TO THE BEACH, but instead going to Siranamese brother’s house.. what other streets would be taken?
4(d) If we walk all these routes.. are there security surveillance camera(s) anywhere maybe that would have recorded “the silver car” ?? (If don’t know — maybe somebody outta get down there.. walk the route(s) and ask anyone with security surveillance cameras along the way..)
Love you Kat ,you read my mind on Dan Rather.
We stopped putting things up because it is so hard to determine what is speculation and what is truth.
We are waiting it out, but some of the best information is in these comments.
T
HOw do you confuse blood and saliva. Also if it was saliva found was it still in the trunk or was that wrong as well.
Jesus, this whole thing is a freak show…
# Whodeenie Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 4:57 pm
FOX, News Alert. Substance found in car, not blood.
Thanks for confirming what I posted/heard Whodeenie. I couldn’t find anything online.
Also Attorneys for the suspects are asking for release , say there is no reason to hold them. This will be nothing more than a missing persons case.
At this point, my instincts say this will all be “whitewashed” so that Aruba can keep it’s clean, crime free, tourist friendly reputation!
Truly Sad.
KerinTX, as long as they have five suspects in custody, and they have the FBI there, the real investigation is probably progressing extremely well.
Why else would they kill her unless they raped her? If she had willingly had sex with the 3 of them there was no rape and it would have taken longer than the 55 minutes the boys say was the timeframe between driving away with her after 1 AM and arriving at her hotel at 2AM.
I am on Joren’s brothers personal site. Some wierd comments. I think this is a case of teenage fun gone wrong. But you would think they would admit that.
Dallas,
Send me an email
tom@scaredmonkeys.com
let me know the name and the time of the post and I will review and make a determination…
ugh, I sounded so formal there…
It sure would be a something if the same thing happened to Dutchboy when he gets out? Vanished
I agree Kat, it is a freak show. To confuse blood from saliva is , I don’t even have the words. Mind you a whole day has passed.
Pasting from AP breaking News site:
Lawyers for two former hotel security guards detained in the case said they would file motions Monday for the immediate release of their clients.
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBOEQQNV9E.html
“This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation,” said Noraina Pietersz, who is representing Antonius “Mickey” John, 30. “The prosecution is pretending it has information that we don’t have.” John and Abraham Jones, 28, have been detained since June 5 and have denied any connection to Holloway.
Attorney General Caren Janssen said Sunday that “there is reasonable suspicion, so it’s not time to let them go. We are still in the middle of an investigation.”
Appears that the security guard is tired of the “game,” allegedly being played.
Catriana- (response from previous thread)
Even though I respect your opinion & think they are coming from a good place – you should realise that they are being unproductive.
Making “poor choices” is HUMAN, causing harm to another by taking advantage of those choices is CRIMINAL! I participate in a program called “Red Nose” where we drive people from clubs when they are too drunk to drive – they are putting their lives in my hands at that time , a “poor choice’” you could say – but it is that trust that represents the best in the human spirit! If we lose that, believe me you won’t be safe even if you never leave your house!
I am back. Tom & Red tried to shut me down claiming I was in their house.
I say to these two, the value of your blog is in its diversity. Shutting down people with views contrary to your own is insane.
I still think the parents own lots of the responsibility for the sitauation their daughter now finds herself in.
Deputy
what is the website of the brother? How can I find it? Thanks.
No…..when leaving CnC’s you can turn right or left. If they turn left it’goes directly in the direction of all the hotels.
How much influence in the investigation does the FBI actually have? From the way this is being run, I’d say not much.
Dallas, I may agree with that IF I knew what involevement the FBI has in this case. All I have read is that they are responsible for the blood analysis (which now may just be kool aid stains). I would like to think their top interrogators are there and questioning the suspects non-stop until they break.
From FoxNewsDotCom
Holloway’s mother and stepfather told The Birmingham News in Alabama that they discovered the Dutch boy’s connection to their daughter within 24 hours of her disappearance by talking to other students on the trip. They then found surveillance videotapes showing him playing poker with other Mountain Brook teens in their hotel casino two days before she vanished.
A lawyer for one of the Surinamese — Satish Kalpoe, 18, whose brother, Deepak, 21, also is in custody — said they told police they took Holloway to Arashi Beach, on the northern part of the island, in the early hours of May 30.
According to their police statement, they did not get out of the car, defense lawyer David Kock said. Instead, Holloway and the Dutch teen, an honors student at the Aruba International School whom she had met at the casino in her hotel, “were in the back seat kissing.”
They also told police that they dropped Holloway at her Holiday Inn at about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said.
The brothers told police the young woman was drunk and refused to get out of the car, said Noraina Pietersz, who is representing Antonius “Mickey” John, 30, one of the two former security guards. He and Abraham Jones, 28, have been detained since Sunday and have denied any connection to Holloway.
The three young men said Holloway stumbled in the parking lot of the hotel but refused help from her Dutch escort, Kock said.
Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway’s return. A Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift that day said he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard’s statement to police.
Aruba has an independent local government; the Netherlands is responsible for its defense and foreign affairs.
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The parents put the police on Van der Sloot’s path so where is his connection to the two guards? Will the locals in here please explain staments attributed to Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig in one breath being retracted in the next?
To Scared Black Guy: Why is it that us dumb jerks on the blogging sites can ask such intelligent questions, and the reporters on the beat can’t? Why can’t they ask about security cameras in the parking lot, and why can’t they even ask if Van der Sloot and his two companions are being totally cooperative, or whether they are stone-walling? Simple questions, don’t you think. And why can’t anyone track down that story about “something bad” happening to Natalee? Was it a hoax? If so, where did it come from?
Oh..god , deputy is back!! – time to don the kevlar peeps!!
Can I post the link here?
has anyone considered the possibilty that she was kidnapped and they are stalling until they can whisk her back on the island?
After the parents poor decision, I put a lot of the blame on the useless chaperons. These chaperons obviously were not skilled in their role.
I like to look each one eye ball to eye ball and ask “What were you thinking?”
Deputy
After the parents poor decision, I put a lot of the blame on the useless chaperons. These chaperons obviously were not skilled in their role.
I would like to look each one eye ball to eye ball and ask “What were you thinking?”
Deputy
whodeenie-quick thought-
if they are lets go they will be talking to the press about their ordeal thus far and really make the officials look bad….gotta go. Maybe if geraldo leaves/within100 days/
I’ll bet if we put panties on their heads, they’d fold like a deck of cards.
maybe go in one of those caves and say well surprise there she is we found her now everyone go home ..free drinks for everyone!!!
Kat, now that we have 19 or more FBI there (9 more arrived Saturday at 3), I think the FBI definitely does have influence on the direction of the case.
I believe it was posted that they brought along dogs too.
Since Aruba isn’t equipped for the investigation, I believe they will let the FBI get going on this. That’s probably why the mom begged for FBI involvement. Imagine not even having a DNA test lab. That puts them several years behind the state of criminal-investigation technology.
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?tab=business&id=MB56W.iq7uT4vvL7
Here is the site. (I hope that is allowed)
Natalee’s step-father said on Fox that he spoke to van der Sloot but found him to be a liar. Good enough for me.
How far away from the club is the van der Sloot residence?
What do you have against me?
Deputy
Larry- The explanation to the “something bad happened” quote is really quite simple-
Suspect1: We dropped her off at around 2am.
Police: Well if that is true the cameras don’t lie, and she is nowhere to be found…how do you explain that.
Suspect1: Well I guess something bad must have happened to her.
AP news: Sir, did the suspect offer any explanation of Natalee’s where abouts?
Police: No, he said he believed something bad must have happened.
News: Teen confesses to police, saying something bad happened.
am I too far out there in that conclusion? I’m from Alabama and have been ponderinbg that idea..that maybe she was kidnapped and whisked away and they are just stalling until they can get her back and “discover” her…..
smell cover up??
owen2u, that is my theory also. I think that is why the 4th guy got arrested yesterday morning.
seems this is turning into a politically driven investigation..i doubt FBI is allowed any free reign in investigation unless local officials have permitted or guided it to their liking…..let alone running the investigation….has anyone heard otherwise…?
I think they were gonna hang it on the 2 security guards the the US Media got involved..the way its been reported here Arubian Authorities tinitally turned down offer of help from FBI…is that true?
maybe too many officials helped a buddy to get a promo/did a favor/etc…
Deputy – Nothing – except your ‘blame the parents’ – shoot-from-the-hip – attitude! Still, I respect your right to express yourself!
FO Mickey John–I was just hoping the graduates could shed addiyional information to help find Natalie, whether they tell the press, the FBI, here….wherever. If the local officials, “look bad,” sorry.
THis website and you bloggers are the only true info I get on this here in Alabama….
Who says its not blood? FoxNewsDotCom
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Aruban Authorities Investigate Blood in Car
Sunday, June 12, 2005
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Authorities investigating the disappearance of Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway were seeking clues on the source of blood found in the car used to transport the missing teen to the beach nearly two weeks ago, Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes (search) said.
Not true Owen….help was always welcomed…
Missy…that site is scary and strikes close to home for me. In the US one of the big sites of that nature is myspace.com. Without going into too many details, right now in my area there is a 21 yr old man who raped at least 4 young girls and his “method” was to first meet them through his personal page. The police are going to finally be able to have a good case against him since he was stupid enough to post personal info in his page about his sexual activity and post pictures to back it up.
It was intersting to me that your prime minister practically guaranteed it would be solved in 24 hours on Geraldo last night..made me wonder if they’d found her and were moving here back onto the Island..thats why I have started thinkin this way recently
The 2 security guys commited a crime long time ago – they were born BLACK!!
Sorry for pulling a ‘Mark Furman’ but y’all know its true!!
SBG Fox News broadcast an alert saying it was not blood.
Interesting that the van der Sloot brother says his profession is a pimp.
Maybe he was the 6th person arrested.
Thanks. I respect that we have different views.
Deputy
I found the site leaving me a uncomfortable.
Any word yet if the substance was found in trunk like previous reports stated?
thats why I come here Native there is alot of misinformation coming from the US Media
Professional Pimp…bet that gets you a lot of interviews when put on a resume.
Mordred, what crime did the two security guards commit?
Don’t know Lar, maybe we do it for accuracy and knowledge and they do it to sell commercial ad space.
Native, are you listening to Top, and if so, what are they playing? I’m not positive I have it on the right station.
ok so now a tickle site is uncomfortable?!?! plssssss
whats the link to his site missyrose can you post it ?
For the record:
(1) I blame the parents for their decision to let their 18 year old daughter go on a booze cruise.
(2) I blame those chaperons who obviously had their heads up their hind end.
(3) I blame Natalle; she should know what reckless behavior is.
(4) I am saddened that a minority child would not get this level of attention if they were involved in a similiar situation.
Deputy
Did anyone else on the site see the comment from his friend … saying remember the marriott, that was crazy… strange esepcially since the kid was 15 at the time of the posting.
For the record:
(1) I blame the parents for their decision to let their 18 year old daughter go on a booze cruise.
(2) I blame those chaperons who obviously had their heads up their hind end.
(3) I blame Natalle; she should know what reckless behavior is.
(4) I am saddened that a minority child would not get this level of attention if they were involved in a similiar situation.
Deputy
The authorities have said that the case is at a “crucial juncture”.
The key to solving it is to get the truth out of the three guys, and be able to act on it without Geraldo chasing the police down the street.
Arubagirl and Cathy, what would you say is the basic sentiment of Arubans now toward this whole case? I’ve been listening to your radio station and they seem to have alot of contempt for the American media (understandable).
The presence of so much of the Holloway and Twitty families may be making for more sensationalism. Her biological dad may be getting more information from the investigators than her mom and stepdad. Mrs. Twitty seems like she is on the verge of a breakdown. I don’t think staying in Aruba is going to help her or the investigation at this point.
To Scared Black Guy: I am a white college professor, living in Alabama. But we see eye to eye, right down the line. Good analyses, kiddo. You get an “A” on your term paper. Too bad you don’t have the microphone and the camera crew.
Agirl….some robodop(Spelling??) song
Well a 15 year old claiming to be a pimp is a little uncomfortable.
“The police are going to finally be able to have a good case against him since he was stupid enough to post personal info in his page about his sexual activity and post pictures to back it up. ”
Kerin, assuming they are Web Savvy enough to find the site etc etc. I’ve seen so much bumbling in this case, it makes me wonder.
Did I read that right?? The brothers GF’s names is Natalie…
Spooky.
former (thanks to god) sheriffs deputy
Please stop trying to instigate cyber assaults with new posters who don’t yet know what a total waste of type it is to even consider your respectfully included opinions here. Back Off.
If you scroll up I already posted the link.
Mordred… If one’s comments open the eyes of just one individual, than they are not unproductive.
Thank you for your kindness and your instincts are right on.
The 2 black security guards are being held because the 3 young gentlemen who drove Natalee back to hotel said that a black man in a “hotel uniform carrying a radio” was with her at the door of the hotel.
That was after van der Sloot walked her to the door-some black guy appeared and then the Natalee and the black guy vanished according to the security cameras. Doesn’t make sense of course. Don’t believe a word of the stories from the 3 amigos.
Golden, right now everyone wants this to be solved, 1) to know what happened 2) the journalists go home. At least this is the feedback from the people in my fam. and friends.
Thanks, native. got it on the right channel .
Who the heck are you? What rock did you crawl out from under?
You got a beef — tell me about it.
Deputy
THEORY
1) Rohypnol may have been used on this girl (illegal in US, but easily attaninable and used in a bannana republic like Aruba).
2) One, if not all 3, raped the girl.
3) She was certainly, never dropped off at her hotel.
4) Where’s the NAACP and Jesse Jackson for the security gaurds? Talk about racism at its ugliest.
5) Aruba is a VERY small island, with most of it being arid and desert like. A body would have easily been found by now, unless:
a) It’s not on the island
b) It was tossed in the ocean
c) It is being held somewhere where it can’t be found (such as a place, house, etc. that is not subject to search – a place that is a safe haven of sorts for “influential parents” on the island)
6) Having 10 or so days for everyone to collude on their story makes it near impossible for any interrogation to work.
7) If any of the three ever step foot in the US, they’ll probably go missing too.
8) Ultimately, Aruba won’t suffer as most American’s have extremely short memories and are addicted to white sandy beaches, clear water, and pina coladas – which all that Aruba has to offer the world.
9) It underscores the biggest problem in the U.S. – the glamorization of alchohol and exploitation of women in the marketing of it. This encourges girls like Natalee to run off and get sloshed and act silly, and for sexual predators to take advantage of them. None of this would have happened if you remove alchohol from the equation. Not that you shouldn’t be able to drink, but drinking irresponsibly is far too encouraged and promoted.
Tila_Bean- That was sarcasm mixed with social comment stirred with ‘thats the society we live in’
DT
Will you or anyone Post a news site link that claims no blood in the Honda.
thanks
The fact is this… the last person that she was seen with, has a brother claiming to be a pimp. It could be innocent, but in this case it raises more flags than just boys being boys.
Whodeenie…actually I was referring to a web posting of a rape suspect here in TX. But as far as police involevement in that case…no, they are not the best when it comes to online crimes.
Catriana and Deputy are two of a kind – they were judgmental and callous toward two posters on the scaredmonkeys website who were actual kids that knew Natalee – one had gone on the trip, one had not.
Catriana and Deputy, this is no place for you to impact the emotions of these distraught kids. Get a clue. It was disgusting how you had to be so right with these kids that can’t even stop crying. And they are not to blame. They did everything expected of them. You simply don’t know all the facts of this case.
Former-I just did and now your on my ignore setting
My thoughts exactly Bruno
WE Arubans are sick and tired of this……
Like Arubagirl stated, we want all the media clowns to LEAVE.
We want the case SOLVED, and we want our lives BACK TO NORMAL……
Native, do you know if the PM is going to speak in Engl or in Papiamento?
Missy, actually Joran’s web blog (before it was taken down) had his profession as pimp too. Must be a family thing.
Banana Republic Bruno???/ Are you for REAL?????
A-girl. Papiamento (he doesn’t speak English)
(and only prensa local)
I am sure their parents are so proud.
Former LEO,
The mods should have kept you out. The “diversity” of your shallow opinion has been expressed over and over and over and over. You’re just pasting the same dribble to antagonize. Get back to your porno.
kipster, hi.
Dallas,
Where are you coming from? I am trying to pry open the naive eyes of adults who send their kids of booze cruises and those of kids who drink irresponsibly.
If I help save one person from making the same mistake — it is a job well done.
Don’t you agree?
Deputy
Dutch or no dutch…they’re all bananna republics, let’s face it. Not that the U.S. is perfect, but do you think three PRIME supsects would have been let go? Do you think people could be held for 100+ days without ever being accussed of a crime in the US? Yes, bananna republics with kangaroo courts.
its unfortunate ..seems the real aruban people have different ideas than their high ranking govt officials have…they shouldnt be frustrated with the US or the media..they should be frustrated with their own people in power
Deputy,
When I was 18 my parents allowed me to go on a “booze cruise”. I sailed the western pacific and got drunker than drunk many times and I was a United States Sailor.
18 is old enough to fight and die, 18 is old enough to let off some steam. I hope you don’t have girls because no matter the image they project to pacify your needs thaey will surely “let their hair down” and run as far away from you as possible when they get the chance. And not to provoke you but a lot of times these sheltered girls are the least protected because they have no clue except your “right and wrong”.
Deputy,
Broken record, broken record, broken record
Everyone is walking and poor Natalie will still be dead. What a shame
There is a BIG story here, folks. And it’s a story of a cover-up. And I know that the people of Aruba don’t want to hear that, but maybe it’ll all work out for their own good. Maybe it took a rich, white American girl to point up the corruption, racism, cronyism, favoritism and incompetence in the Aruba police force. But that’s what we have to work with. Sorry about that. And the fact that the only intelligent questions are those that have been raised at this blog site only underscore that fact. No doubt, the FBI will see to it that this case is cracked. But, without them, what would we have had. Two black security guards framed as scapegoats? 3 prime suspects turned footloose for 10 full days? Disinformation, misinformation, stonewalling, and foot-dragging? Yeah. That’s about it.
I hope this is not the case but the 3 boys may have been too drunk/ high/ wasted to truely remember what really happened.
Banana republic? Don’t even grow those here…
Bruno….
As far as the WORLD was concerned SCOTT PETERSON was “THE” (only) prime suspect from DAY ONE> Yet……how long before they finally arrested him?
I’m not even going to discuss the Banana Republic issue…..wiuld be like arguing with a MULE…you ignorant FOOL
Nobody knows if Natalee’s dead, Jerry..
Did the blood results get back? I haven’t read/seen any news today.
arent they the representatives of the people afterall?
the reason the media is there is obvious..but teh lack of progression and the semming incompetence in the investigations earlier most cricial stages….have drawn even more media attention based on the publics quest for knowledge and answers….its totally understandable and nothing to be mad at, thats for sure
Hello, Friend.
Dont believe any of the garbage released by any media sources.
the reliable sources are only the police conferences.
1.) Natalee missing
2.) Left with Joran, Satish, Deepak in silver honda.
3.) They were witnesses, came forward on their own.
4.) Were let free to allow police gather more info about them, a strategic measure
Arrested and personal possesions confiscated
5.) The guards have some relation, stolen items of the students on the trip with holloway.
6.) Parents believe she is alive, Body NOT found. investigation continues.
Basically, the public has not been informed at all about crucial details. The local media has generated rumors guesses around it. Be advised to be swift about hearing and slow about speaking, there is very little fact and truth in teh news released by teh media.
I dont recall people being this interested to know all teh details when MJ was accused and when his trial began, things just sort of slowly began to seep out as witnesses were brought out and evidence material was laid bare.
Why should any case be different? Investgation is best kept on a low profile. here it’s up to each individual to use his/her common sense as to why they are doing this.
Dallas… You are wrong about my posts. My posts are an accurate view of my opinion. Nothing more nothing less. I am not responsible for what others feel or think, they are. I am only responsible for myself and my actions.
If someone can’t stand the heat of the kitchen, they shouldn’t be in there cooking!
My posts are not written with the intent to hurt anyone. What I post is placed there to, hopefully, open peoples eyes. I’ve learned a long time ago, that one cannot open the eyes of someone who is blinded by their own prejudices. That’s life.
If teens are going to come to a weblog and post comments, they better have the strength to read things they don’t like. It would be nice if some people (who shall remain nameless, because I don’t believe in attacking individuals), could stop attacking others. There have been several posters, on previous threads, that do nothing but call names and attack (my observation, you don’t have to agree with that, but it is what I’ve witnessed).
You don’t like what I have to say? Or the way I say it? Fine. You have every right to post what you think or feel. That’s the whole point of weblogs, comment areas, etc. VERSATILITY.
If we all thought and said the same thing, how boring would that be?
Oh, and if someone is crying over a post on an internet site, they should ask themselves why they take a strangers comments so personally.
Don’t grow much of anything. Most everything is imported…including the economy (tourism)
Larry, are you from the U.S.?
Deputy,
You may be entitled to your opinion but I would say it’s the way you going about expressing it. I have been reading your postings since yesterday and whereas I might agree with some of the (in my opinion) negligence of the chaperones, I don’t think that pointing that out in each and every one of your posts is helping. We really have NO idea what they signed-on or agreed to do for the teens on this trip. Again, maybe if you just post your feelings about “unsupervised” trips (which this kinda was) and then leave it at that, then fine. Pointing out what parents should or should not do in raising their kids or what rules they should be given is a matter of your opinion. Beating a dead horse is not helping.
So women who drink with their classmates and chaperones and wear clothes suitable for a tropical climate are whores. Does that entitle 3 young men to violate her, kill her, hide the body, lie to the parents, lie to the police, obstruct a police investigation, cause 2 innocent men to be detained and bring shame to their country?
I can smell what the Larry is cookin’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wrong on number 3
ScaredBlackGuy-
ABC reported on air that early tests indicate the blood found in the Honda suggest that it is unrelated to the case.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_24.html
Deputy, I don’t agree. You are turning this into your soapbox and not sticking with the facts. Several of them asked Natalee if she was ok and if she really wanted to go with Dutchboy. She said yes. She smiled. She waved. They were careful to all get up to leave the bar together, chaperones were there, and then they were careful to look around to see that no one was left behind. Natalee was walking out with the rest of them. Cars were waiting for them. Some saw her walking ahead of them and just assumed she would move into one of the waiting cars.
My sense is that you’re using this format to preach at Generation Y and at upper-middle-class families. Guess what? These were some of the best kids of Generation Y. Natalee got slipped a date-rape drug, the facts all point to it, and she was being compliant and docile and the other kids and the chaperones didn’t suspect that she had been drugged.
By the way, all week, Aruba people were offering to sell them drugs. That is a cause you could support. That needs to be cleaned up. Not the behavior of these kids and chaperones.
dEPUTY: BLAMING EVERYONE IS NOT GOING TO BRING nATALEE HOME, plEASE STOP, i AM SURE THAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH ENOUGH PAIN RIGHT NOW WITHOUT YOUR IGNORANT COMMENTS
larry- be nice and I’ll tell you what Mickey says when he gets out-the day the press leaves or the body is found without tracable evidence. I think too many people have their hands gotten dirty for “one” to start to come clean.
Not that the US sets agood example.
US is just used to cover ups and media frenzy
Peterson…what does he have to do with the price of pina colodas in Aruba?
Catriana, I agree with you 100+%.
Many of these folks only want to hear their own positions recycled back to them.
Your are so correct!
Deputy
IS THERE ANY NEW NEWS, OTHER THAN THE BLOOD WAS NOT ACTUALLY BLOOD?
What, the blood wasn’t blood?
i read something on the trip advisor site about some guards stealing some things from students and asking to search their rooms or something….
What was she wearing the night she went missing? Not that it gives them the right to violate her, I would just like to know.
It was stated Friday night by someone on Island that while you used to be able to turn right or left (which I thought), right now, you can only turn RIGHT.
ACCORDING TO FOX NEWS IT WAS NOT BLOOD
No, it was something else apparently. Semen? who knows. Surprised there’s anything when you get 10 days to clean the car.
astrid-
and the officials dont know nuthin official….that’s odd
Crys… Not that we have heard. There is no new news other than what you stated!
Just curious..I read on a post somewhere..so many I forget..that Joran told his Mom”don’t be upset..I am innocent.” Then she (Mom)said…he sat down and told us everthing that happened??? Well if he told Mom everything that happened..then why aren’t we interrogating MOM!!! I’ll try to find the info. that I read.
no kidding bruno!…i think the big question was..why if this country has so much holding power of suspects….that this power was not utilized initially before so much time elapsed….
Thanks Crys, bruno, and friend.. so they didn’t identify the substance?
Not interrogating Mom becasue of who Mom is in this Bananna Republic.
SHE WAS WEARING A DENIM SKIRT AND THE BLUE AND GREEN SHIRT THAT SHE HAS ON IN THAT BEACH PIC, THE SHIRT WAS OT REVEALING AND THE SKIRT WAS PERFECTLY FINE, HARDLY AN OUTFIT OF A PROSTITUTE…SHE HAD BEEN AT THE BEACH! IT WAS HOT! WHY IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN A SKIMPY SWIMSUIT?!
KerinTX,
I see. You make a good point. I will give it a rest.
Deputy
Bruno, are you also from the U.S.?
Mordred if you go here
http://infospace.abcnews.com/_1_266FUPL04LDMHFC__info.abcnws/search/web/holloway%2Bblood
You will find people are mixing facts from two stories. I feel sorry for Mr. Riel if he posted his information as factual.
i guess they felt more at ease detaining two black suspects..rtaher than risking holding the last peopel who saw natalee….dont care what the aruba folks say…it wasnt right and it stinks of preferential treatment
NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF…SOMEONE MENTIONED SALIVA BUT I DONT KNOW THAT TO BE FACT
Fox is reporting this independently of anyone else sbg.
they took a camera from mickeys house in a evidence bag…some stolen camera story/nothing official. but,
I brought a sony digital to mickey from US in 12/04 and
yes cancun-mole I did give info to localDA to give to FBI
Bruno – they can find DNA on a body thousands of years old (look at the King Tut DNA testing that was done this year). For comparison purposes, they would have Natalee’s DNA from her hairbrush in her suitcase. There is plenty to gather and test, I’m sure.
From the US and been to Aruba frequently. Nice place, but let’s face it – it is either corrupt police work or keystone cops….either way the result is the same.
Oh, ok, thanks Crys.
No I didn’t mean that the outfit had anything to do with it. Just wondering if she was wearing a skirt or pants.
AG,… with banana republic they mean that the corrupt are in power… well wrong again.. the drug ppl and contraband are far from being those in power.. the corruption of those in power is simple greed.. they’re in it to amass money. But we have both the dutch marine and the american customs stationed here, would they even be allowed to be here if we were truely a banana republic? They are fully empowered to do what they are legally agreed to do here..
Not all caribbean islands have the same problems as haiti, jamaica or even Venezuela.. we are under teh dutch system, and thus have democracy. There’s never been an attempt to comunism not and dictatorships.
Deputy,
But don’t stop posting…you are certainly as free to post as the rest of us!
Kerin
Island Folk,
Please take no offense at Americans who use derogatory words to describe lifestyles they don’t understand, been a tradition around here since at least 1865.
“There is a BIG story here, folks. And it’s a story of a cover-up.”
Larry, you may ultimately be proven correct, but don’t you think it’s a bit premature to be delcaring this? Let alone being fair to Aruba.
Missy Rose- Natalee was dressed similar to her classmates that night. The last picture taken of her was on the beach with her friends. Look for it. What difference does it make anyway?
Joran told his Mom everything? Where were Mom and Dad (the Judge in training) that night and what about the “pimp” brother? If Joran lives with his folks what time did he get home that night? When did Joran drop off the 2 brothers and where? Considering it was Joran’s car he must have been the last person driving it that night. Where do the brothers live and where are their parents?
Larry, Natalee’s family isn’t “rich”. They are upper-middle class, at best. The mom is a schoolteacher that helps special-needs kids.
They just have made financial sacrifices to live in a good school district to give their kids a better chance at life.
I am still in shock that no one that is being interrogated has confessed.
We’re not so sure it was Joren’s car, I’ve heard people saying that it wasn’t.
Larry, maybe it is less a story of a cover-up and more a story of a peaceful island unprepared for this type of story and the pack of wolves known as the US Press?
Again DT I am not here to abuse you but there is no reference on FoxNews.com to support this “fact”, if it is please copy and paste part of the story and the link for independent verification.
They haven’t confessed becasue they were told by mommy and daddy to hold out at all costs, they’ll protect them.
YA KNOW, THOSE GUYS MAY NOT REMEMBER EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT…IT SEEMS LIKE A GIVEN THAT THEY WERE PRETTY DRUNK THEMSLEVES…
There is something very seriously wrong with this investigation.
These Arubains couldn’t care less what actually happened to Natalee.
They do nothing but try and save face on this board.
Well I’m sorry to say, when this is all and done with, The FBI and
American authorities will be posting There own findings on this case and
I really don’t think there going to be to happy……
was Joran known to be cocky? because it seems to me he might have gotten his back up when being questioned initially and may have even went so far as to say..hey..do u know who my father is..be careful who u accuse…no one has addressed why these 3 were not immediately taken into custody ..god knows they have this very liberal holding privilege of suspects….why did they not see it fit to detain these boys then? this is a huge problem the Arubans and their officials will have to answer for at some point..there is no way around this…
i still think those 2 blacks did it.
NativeLingo: You GO GIRL! And, I know you know that not all Americans’ feelings are represented by some of the rude comments being made here! Sorry.
THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY BRUNO
Aruba girl said You cant drive if your under 18 in Aruba he was 17 so it must have been the Surnam brothers since they had a car rental which makes me wonder if they got the right car.
Ok sherbob here, I’ll bite. Please let us know what leads you to this conclusion?
Scared…I have one TV on Fox news and one on CNN and another laptop on Fox News online and I don’t see a thing about the blood not being blood.
Why does it have to be on the website? Myself, and several others have seen it reported on Fox NEws Channel clearly and plainly.
DID ANYONE EVER HEAR ANYMORE ABOUT THE SECURITY GUARDS…AT ONE POINT THEY WERE GOING TO LET ONE GO BUT NOT THE OTHER, I WONDER WHAT GIVES…? THEY HAVE NEVER STETED WHAT EVIDENCE THEY ARE HOLDING THEM ON
Not only were they not taken into custody. They left Aruba for 3 days after being questioned.
My findings too KerinTX.
Well bruno, the FBI would perform Lie Detector tests. They are more accurate than ever before.
these three boys dont know how to treat a lady when your screwing whores on Aruba all the time.
So Bruno, wow, I guess your ‘frequent’ visits to Aruba must have given you such a good overview of the Dutch criminal system, right? You must now be an authority on such matters, correct? You know of course that van der Straaten is blood brothers with ‘judge’ van der Sloot, the other cops are completely in love with everything Dutch, and the Queen herself has called the PM and said don’t you dare give that poor Joran any trouble.
Bruno, the fact is, you don’t know ANYTHING more than what we, the public know in this case.
The fact that nothing is being said by cops / prosecution isn’t a sign of cover-up or ineptness, just because that’s not how the U.S. does it. Oh, but I forgot, everything has to go according to the U.S., right? Because the U.S. will not EVER screw up. Because when there are WMD of mass distruction in a country, by God, they will go and find them. Oh…wait.
Tell me, Bruno, Larry, cyber, and everyone spouting the corruption and cover-up theories. How does it work in the U.S.? Are there a random 10% selected of the children there to be given injections to be completely arrogant know-it-alls that ruin it for the rest of their countrymen? Or does it just come natural to some?
That sort of flat-out arrogance, where you must know it better than others, because, well, no reason precisely, you just know.
So, I guess in YOUR homestates, when a girl goes missing after being seen leaving a local bar with three guys, the FBI will mobilize in 48 hours, the national guards will be called up to search, the civil servants will be given the afternoon off to search, and the tourist department will issue a reward. The governor will give a direct line to the parents?
Wow, I’m just amazed that you guys aren’t here right now, and solving the case in an instant. I know! You guys should be the new Police commisionaries here. Then the Aruba can enjoy your expertise and knowledge.
God, why don’t you take your cover-up and corruption theories and stick them in Clinton’s and Nixon’s ass.
Crys people have been saying the Guards might have stolen some electronics/cameras from some of the teens, but this is just speculation.
missyrose, I hadn’t heard that the three guys left the island. can you tell us where you heard that, and maybe where they allegedly went for the three days?
How do you know they left aruba? Is that linked anywhere? Thanks.
ALSO, WHAT HAPPENED TO INVOLVING WHAT WAS IT, S. AMER.? THE OTHER COUNTRY …DID SOMEONE TIP THEMM OFF ON THAT WHAT ARE THEY DOING I WONDER
Wow, I feel so much better.
What about the possibilty they are still holding the black guys to give the Mommy and Daddy and the Aruban “officials” enough time to gather to trump up enough evidence to point towards them, a red-herring of sorts.
I will find it.
cause they do things like that to white girls here in the states all the time.
Sherbob – You must be a member of the Arubian elite police force. You mean you wish that the 2 black men did it because putting 3 young men, from influential (rich) families on trial, might impact your personal finances and career advancement. Racism at its most obvious.
DT,
Follow the link I posted for Mordred and you can see why I might be skeptical of anything I can’t find on a news site or AP wire, people mix things up. Like I said I am not here to abuse anyone, I just want the facts, plain and simple.
HEY CancunMole…..Don’t worry…..I’m thick-skinned….
Don’t care much about the rude comments or responding to them…..would be UN-Aruban
The FBI agents have been spotted para-sailing and boogie boarding
arubagirl …i understand your defensiveness but can i ask you if you honestly believe your police force should have let those 3 boys go initially..knowing that she was last seen with them and they admitted to having been with her? cut us all some slack here and give the US hate thing a rest…its very contradictory to your professions of concern
OUch, native lingo. True, but still ouch
Wow, aruba girl, you told us.
well said, arubagirl!
THANKS ARUBAGIRL!!!!!!!!! twt tempo pa sera nan klep!
Good girl c.
I’m skeptical too SBG, I’ve heard so many things retracted lately. I’m just saying what has been reported. That said it just doesnt make sense to me that they would find blood. The criminals had ample time to get rid of it, and surely they would.
Fabulous post, Arubagirl!
Oh, but it’s 20% of Americans who are injected.
This is exactly why Americans are hated in most countries. We try to go to other countries and make everyone conform to our beliefs and ways. I do not confess to know anything about how Aruban LE does things but maybe, just maybe, what they have been doing is how THEY handle things. Then maybe “their way” was not getting results so they asked for help from the FBI. Does it make them an inept police force just because they don’t do things EXACTLY like American LE does?
the US HATE THING? Oh wow. Tell, me, please, except for my above post, where I’ve not been nice, where I’ve tried to explain, where I’ve tried to clear things up. Please ,please, please.
And, Leesa, you’ll notice that the thing that gets me going is the cover-up charges. I disagree with letting the guys go and with holding the 2 guards still hostage.
More American-bashing by a country that who’s economy would tank it American’s stopped going there. How ironic.
Miss B, nan nunca ta bai sera na klep. NUNCA.
So,If I get my Mother in Law drunk and drop her a the HI in Aruba do you think that would be a good place to get rid of her
Who is Leesa?
no, i am an american. it is a well known fact they do things like that.
Native *DOING BACK_FLIPS* BRAVO Arubagirl…..BRAVO
sherbob, aren’t you late for a KKK meeting or something?
“Are there a random 10% selected of the children there to be given injections to be completely arrogant know-it-alls that ruin it for the rest of their countrymen?”
Actually, you have it backwards arubagirl. America’s about 90% idiots, sorry about that. The other 10% of us are really cool though.
# DT Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Why does it have to be on the website? Myself, and several others have seen it reported on Fox NEws Channel clearly and plainly.
**LOL** I’ve already heard it twice on CNN myself. People may just have to tune into CNN or Fox and hear it with their own ears (I can be that way myself sometimes).
i think its common sense that the last 3 people to see Natalee werent detained but on their word…two others were….it has nothingt o do with being american…im not american…it has more to do with common sense
well said bruno. seems to me they should be pretty nice to us right now
Scared…Ok FOX News just said it is not blood in the car.
well said bruno. seems to me they should be pretty nice to us right now
aruba girl- Good job, I agree. The US is no role model….your island never has gone thru this global scrutinity…you won’t believe how fast they disappear once a body is found….then we’ll get blurbs on the bottom of cnn/msnbc and everyone remembers once and again until guilty are locked up…. / sorry…
your island has always been an oasis to me .
haha ma ripara!! well whatever peeps….i’m still going on vacation there..soon in 20 days! and i’m going to have a blast!
well said bruno. seems to me they should be pretty nice to us right now
Sherbob – A “well known fact”? Some African Americans are unfortunate enough to grow up in neighborhoods and environments that promote violence, but so are members of every other race. How can you accuse two innocents of a violent crime based solely on the premise of skin color?? That’s just ignorant.
Fox and CNN have apparently made the decision that breaking news will be delivered only verbally, not posted on their websites.
Sherbob – are you going to apologize when the 3 amigos are charged with murder and the 2 black guys are set free?
Bruno, by God, I’m dissing the U.S., I’m dissing Americans like you. Thank God there aren’t that many of them.
Are we allowed to post links on the site?
OH please there aren’t only americans in this world!
oops..lol
Now sherbob here,
Did you really put down your Jack Daniels, unplug the telebision and plug up the ‘puter to post that? C’mon man, I am not going to ream you a new one, I’m going to be nice and stand on principle. I’m going to remind you just who gets charged with child rape and child murder most often in our great nation? White males. Any you know what? They wear many costumes to do it…..sometimes a priest’s frock or a scout master’s sash, or maybe a ratty AD/DC shirt with shit stained jeans (no underwear and no soap). So pleeeeeeeeeese sherbob here, don’t get me started because I have been pretty darn nice in here and I am going to keep it that way.
Pretty blonde, blame it on the black guys….i didn’t think modern societies still bought that one, but it is alive in well in the bananna republics.
MissyRose, you probably can post links to any site that is not a pay-site or subscription-only site.
According to Natalee’s mom the only thing Aruban officials have officially told them is that they cannot say whether Natalee is still alive.
and so they wait…
I’m NOT dissing the U.S.
oops..lol
What’s wrong with questioning three boys and letting them go????? It was a missing person case initially. After they were let go the authorities set up the perfect trap by wiretapping their phone, emails, and doing general surveillance. They thought they were off the hook and made a mistake by letting their guard down. That is how you entrap garrulous little punks.
I was wondering how long it would take for this to degenerate into a US/Aruba bash fest. That helps no one.
Father you’re right. That’s how we caught Scott Peterson.
Hey Bruno, if you’re going to keep using the word banana, maybe you should learn how to spell it.
Just sayin’…
I feel this:
Hurry police release the details, we want the truth. Hope it has a happy or just ending. and that all involved get their suitable punishment. Although I have a strong feeling America has no idea how our system works.
Just as you enjoy nice accomodations at our hotels, well so do our prisoners.. hehehe that is one of the worlds best conditions offered to prisoners, spa, gym, tv, gourmet catering meals.. library. I wonder how U.S. will react to this piece of knowledge. Some prisoners actually opt to be imprisoned here due to the fair conditions.
I am not a klansman, i’m just a concerned father. And I know blacks do these things on a regular basis, watch the news. All 5 they have in custody have some part in this, there’s no doubt about that.
Good catch Dallas. CNN & FOX don’t want anymore f-ups in Google’s cache. “Confession Made”, “Body Found”…idiots.
http://www.misfitting.com/archives/cat_crime.html
This has fact vs. fiction about the case.
Sorry, I graduated from the International School of Aruba.
Arubagirl… Unfortunately, we aren’t in control over how others see our posting. Keep up the great work with the information from Aruba. It certainly helps filling in the gaps!
And I’m not dissing Aruba, but I sure hope we hear something soon. I think Natalee’s parents need to know something…..
all i am saying and have said ….and wont say again..at the risk of annoying anyone! hahaha is that by not doing what was common sense and by letting those three boys go when they should have been detained….the aruban govt has put its self under serious scrutiny ..they have also lost some credibility and they should be held accountable….like any justice official anywhere in the world would and should. They should not be surprised that the public is outraged…and wants answers…
Kat, it will eventually turn into that. An American was killed in Aruba. Aruba has shown complete and total incompetence in their investigation. Aruba seems to be covering for the rich kid. Seems to me there is a big coverup here.
Aruba will end up wondering what the bigger murder is…..Natalee Holloway or their Economy.
I am Canadian and love the USA and it’s people (except the Sherbobs). Thank you for being our neighbour and best friend.
Thanks KerinTX,
I’m going to read a little more (wanna see if sherbob wants to play) then I ‘m going to eat and watch some news.
Like I said…ignorant fool
(I rest my “bruno” case….)
Fox News is holding an s 9pm show tonight on the Case.
Trapenburg…Govt Spokesman on FOX now. He is stating exactly what some have been saying…that they are not bungling the case but they are just not used to these type of cases and THAT THEY DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY than US law enforcement does. (which has then been the cause for many untrue rumors)
cathy-
good to know, but I doubt the officials feel the same about the food and airconditioning at kia
is there a golf couse near kia??..
Leslie… Who are the Sherbobs? maybe I know them! I’m not far from Canada myself!
They certainly do things differently than the US…..like not solve cases.
Ignorant Fool….The Aruba International School is AMERICAN
Enough of that……
Father Merrin, If that’s the way it happened, that may have been a great strategy. However, I’ve heard nothing to suggest that’s the way it went down. The fact is the Arubian police aren’t prepared for this type of situation.
Blacks do what now???? Ted Bundy, Johhn Wayne Gacy, Scott Peterson, David Berkowitz, Adolf Eichman, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Henry Lee Lucas, John Cuoey…….yep…they look very black.
ArubaGirl: You get a GO GIRL from me too. Thank you for puttting what should be obvious into perspective.
cover-up for a rich kid……….pleaseeeee….what is rich?…there are no donald trumps in Aruba.
You guys take things so personally
it is I, SHERBOB
Joan’s mom teaches art and drama at his school. http://www.isaruba.com/academics/profile/anita.htm
Art teacher Anita van der Sloot of the International School of Aruba spearheaded a.
display of student artwork at the Access Art Gallery recently in …
http://www.isaruba.com/breeze/documents/ isadisplayataccessartgallery.pdf -
Miss B, it has to be a cover-up. Not even the Aruba Police can be that dumb when solving this case.
Bruno, oh my God, that was PRICELESS. Heeeheeeheee.
Thanks.
bruno-
no one likes to be played for a fool-
it isnot taking it personally
father merrin, they are all jews
There are Sherbobs everywhere – US and Canada and all over the world. The one I was replying to is here amongst us.
well now you see..no one is perfect!
ST just because the case hasn’t been solved yet does not mean it will not be solved.
I don’t the FBI has cornered the market on crime solving.
sherbob,
Please unplug the ‘puter, replug the telebishen, and take a good look at the 3 amigos.
One is really really white (Dutch Boy White) and the other two are not African-American by anyone’s standard, look like Hindu Indians or some other type of Indo-Asian.
Wish nothing but the best for your kids (hope they don’t learn all about other people just from you though) and yourself.
i hardly think we can compare the non arrest of scott Peterson to the 3 boys in this case….me oh my! the three boys were last seen only hours before with this girl…her return was never verified on HI tapes…
its different building a case against one person versus a group of people who can be detained seperately and played against one another…and slip up…
Psychic- The Aruban authorities admitted two days ago that it was a tactical move. The did!!!! Use common sense….keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. When you interrogate someone and scream at them for a confession they’re apt to become defensive and seize up. What you do is make them believe that “we’re your friends here”. The boys thought they were clean off the hook; they began emailing each other with things like “I don’t think they’ll ever find out, what do you think?” That’s how you entrap people. It’s the ultimate flim flam tactic….I use it all the time!!!!!!!!!!!
ok can we please stick to the story??Just like Arubians are mad that the press is in someway blaming the Aruban Island for this otehr locals are blaming americans for other stuff…this has absolutely NOTHING to do with either country this has to do wiht a missing young lady and an investigation that we know NOTHING about because thier is no comments from anyone its all speculation…no Officail comment please stop fighting and get abck on track!
Arubagirl, Nativelingo, Gabriel…anthing concrete today? been out all day and would rather not read thru the fluff. same situation ? no one knows anything for certain?
no new developments or revalations?
Psychic….Father Merrin is right….that’s exactly what happened.
Trust me….we are not only NOT prepared for a case like this, but especially not for the media preassure and interference this case has generated.
I hope we NEVER have to become experts in handling these types of cases….
1) The white guy and two “whatervertheyares” raped/killed her.
2) I think if we sent in the WIGGLES, they could solve this crime quicker.
3) There’s corruption everywhere, in the US, and espeically in places where you don’t even have a right to trial by jury, like ARUBA.
4) The black guys would have a huge civil rights action if this happened in the US
5) The dutch boty just “looks” guilty !
Sherbob – Hitler was a Jew??? Congratulations, you win the prize for most clueless person in history!!
hey scared black guy, shut your hole, i’m just putting in my 2 cents on here, take it easy.
Bruno, wow, how does it feel to know everything better? Especially about Aruba. Just wondering.
SPM: Actually, Hitler WAS a jew… if your mother is Jewish, that makes you one too, and his mother was.
i live in caribbean on an island….and i know firsthand that you dont ahve to be donald trump rich to have pull and power locally..it the big fish in a little pond syndrome..i guess i am all too aware of…
ignorance as a tactical move….i like that one
hitler was half jew, everbody knows that shit
Hello all, I’ve been folowing for a while trying to catch up.
“bruno Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 5:48 pm
They haven’t confessed becasue they were told by mommy and daddy to hold out at all costs, they’ll protect them. ”
I’ll buy that!
“MissyRose Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 5:52 pm
Not only were they not taken into custody. They left Aruba for 3 days after being questioned. ”
I’d love to know more of that!
Aruba girl…..are you cute? Can I buy you a drink sometime?
But not a C&Cs!
“…there’s nothing wrong with sharing your bed with someone….it’s very charming….I like Peter Pan!!!!”
bruno- then, please tell us what is your tactical objective?
Gaijin….NOTHING……
and Bruno….peace ok??
I think Hitler was one quarter Jewish because his mother was half Jewish.
Bruno that is so true.
aiiiiiright sherbob, no harm no foul. I going for dinner, I leave you to post your 2 cents in peace.
SBG=OUT
What wealso have to realize about the aruban police being dumb we need to understand their are more FBI agents on the island helping with this investigatino than their are Sheriffs on the island! This is not an Aruban Case FBI is on sme sort of way “leading” the investigation…ofcourse they are not leagally allowed to be in total command of anythign but they are giving them the step to go in…remmeber they are the expertsx on these cases this si the first for the Aruban community and police department
no, i was mocking someone that said that
Hitler eveidently did have some Jewish heritage which explained is irrational behavior
Father M, I hadn’t heard that. Where did you hear that info? Surely, the email is speculation that would certainly be a big story if it were true and public knowledge.
CNN is reporting that they are holding the suspects for another 8 days at least.
“Dont believe any of the garbage released by any media sources. the reliable sources are only the police conferences. ”
Last night the Justice Minister (and I think the Prime Minister) as well confirmed on Fox interviews with Geraldo blood (that was the word used: BLOOD) was found in the car! Just a few minutes ago, I saw an interview live on Fox with *another* spokesman who said that only statements from the Justice or Prime Minister should be taken as official, yes *now* we’re hearing what the Justice Minister confirmed last night indeed isn’t fact. These weren’t reporters simply “reporting” what they heard, these were the people who are *supposed* to be in charge and making the *official statements.* It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to ask the next question: who the hell is in charge down there?
aruba girl
what is on your radio/eve news?
Then I gota go get dinner
:::raking out the sandbox:::
OK kids…let’s play nicely. No kicking sand in other people’s faces and make sure you leave the sandbox for your potty break so there won’t be any *hit slinging.
Mommy and Daddy are in charge.
looks like you’re the clueless one
Jewish is a religion, not a nationality. My parents were Catholic. Does that make me Catholic?
SRPDM and SBG seem alot alike to me.
And they both remind me of an old friend from school.
This chat is getting soo random…
What did that Fox news story say that a few people posted about a while ago? Anything new or rarely known?
Article about Joran’s mom on page two—Can someone translate or summarize in English, please???
http://www.cspnv.com/PDF/11/A11.pdf
UPDATE 6: Lesa e vershon digital di Bon Dia Aruba aki(PDF).Tin hopi informashon i splikashon di prensa Arubano mes ku ta bisa ku CNN i AP a bati alarma falsu. http://www.hasibokos.com/
Another favor—Can anyone from the island ID the people in these photos?
http://martin.isnw.org/lekkerdoelloos/paginas/joran/joran6.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/5/P7/2457721P7677772883.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/6/P7/2463140P7745546511.jpg
http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/7/3/P7/2739150P7229868220.jpg
Hitler referred to his inner circle as his mespucha!!! Boobola….he suffered from a vershlapte krenk….
Pazuzu, wrong bulletin-board…the Michael Jackson case probably has its own chat going.
Sorry, Bruno, not that cute
Thanks for the offer though.
I wonder if Aruba will get worse now that criminals know they can get away with everything.
You sound cute though.
If your parents are Catholic – yes that makes you a Catholic. Hail Mary.
Regarding the two guards still being detained, a post on tripadvisor.com said that two female students from the highschool had their cameras stolen out of their hotel room and was approached earlier in the day at the hot tub by a security guard and was asked if they needed help searching for their missing items. they declined.
then said same thing happen later that night when approached by a security guard asking them if they were sure they did not need help finding their stuff, that he had a flash light. . said they declined again and went back to their room…
this was supposely the same day Natalee disappeared..
dont know if any truth to that, but it was posted.
“Dutch or no dutch…they’re all bananna republics”
Bruno, I guess there’s a TIN HORN dictator there too, no? Please, this is not 1950.
Jewish is a nationality…..if you want to immigrate to Israel you need to have the birth right on the side of your mother, in order to be considered Jewish. Oy ve
I’m not a political expert, but isn’t this what they call a sort of “puppet regime”? A few influential people behind the scenes running everything. Would explain why they are constantly issuing statemetns and recanting them.
Ummmm, but I’m NOT Catholic
I think it’s time to focus on our similarities, not our differences! What’s everyone having for dinner?
Fettucini alfredo with grilled chicken…
Steak from the grill…
Kat…grilled steak and mushrooms with caesar salad here
Sounds like we are dipping way off the topic trail here! :p
Any one in Aruba have any new observations to offer regarding Natalee’s situation?
Sherbob’s an Idiot: You have Catholic parents and you were raised as what?
Flu induced lack of appetite, here.
DALLAS – ” That’s ignorant…you’re being ignorant…it’s not sexual…you’re thinking SEXual…I give them warm milk and cookies…..HEEEE HEEE..JAm on now!!!”
I don’t know yet. Probably pasta.
I wish Natalee’s friends were on here again, so much more info from them
*Raised* as a Catholic, but I’m not Catholic. But we are waaay off topic here.
Alabama resident here and the local Birmingham news just did a report, and they are really very frustrated, along with everyone else. They said there will be a press conference later this evening to update all of the reportes there on the island. The only other comment they kept making was that the Aruban officials and/or investigators were feeling a lot of “pressure” to release something “credible”.
RB…we could grill together!
No news, Catriana. Just more speculation on FOX
nothign being said here
Nothing, Cat. I guess I’m just waiting to see what are “beloved leader” our PM is going to say.
NOT a fan of his.
I wish Natalee’s friends were on here again, so much more info from them
Why is everyone so impatient????? Criminal investigations in the US take just as long if not longer. You all need to step up to your game
The only people who have the info you want to know are the 3 amigos who are being held in an Arubian jail. What will make them talk?
Folk see you all later….off to Dinner….and info hunting……
Bruno, hope you’re still here when I come back…..
Bham news is on, maybe they will tell something…hey what is the name of the chat room on yahoo
Well will other americans answer this:what is your take on the aruban PM and the efforts he has done and made in this case including the fact that he has allowed all US help to come in legally and help out with anythign that has to do with the case???
Kerin – only if you like you steak blackened
And as to your comment about Fox – speculation is coming up, but they did have that live interview with Rudy (who is apparantly an Aruba gov’t spokeperson.)
Oh they were crying over what others were saying to them earlier. I don’t think they will be back on.
Arubagirl? what time’s the presscon??
Crys – I agree. =\
Arubagirl – Has the PM said if/when he’s going to release an official statement?
They have already talked…….the authorities now everything. They just don’t feel it’s any of our business at this point
native, at 8 I think.
bamboo under the nails?
water torture?
sending in PFC Lindsey England from the prison in Iraq to take humiliating photos with them?
PLease keep us updated with Bama news!
Because Father, we do not know if she is alive or dead, every moment counts
I will try
arubagirl-thanks
I see why you are not a fan
I fell for the family of NH deeply.
At the same time I am sad for your countries press invasion I feel like the first 2 gaurds are very lucky for mass media/ or really they would be totally framed and Joran would be off to party on another island with his daddays vip card.
Fairly sure that’s going to happen at 8, Astrid.
Father Merrin….I think so too……I think they even have…THE evidence…..
Crys83- I hate to sound pessimistic but Vivian vd Biezen(Aruba atorney general) clearly stated that they are neither confirming nor denying the rumors that were disseminated yesterday. Read between the lines……
Yes RB…I saw that interview. It seemed he was very frustrated with the US News and the “leaks”. I bet they will be very glad to see the media go home. Maybe when the Jackson verdict comes in they will head home.
If she is not dead – where is she? Ask the 3 amigos.
The Prime Minister is joyous that the US has intervened in this case because he can always say “It wasn’t my fault Mr. van der Sloot”
Does anyone know what the name of the Yahoo chat room about Natalee?
See you all at 8 (hopefully)
you too Bruno
Crys83nALABAMA, Natalee’s friends may be reading this, but thanks to posters like Deputy and Catriana, they may not likely provide any more information.
I know I wouldn’t. Deputy and Catriana were each caulous and cruel to them. It was sad for me to observe their vicious blames and judgements.
To those who care about Natalee – Deputy and Catriana are jerks and the rest of us apologize for their soapbox mentalities. They didn’t show much love for their fellow Americans.
If they do come back on, Deputy and Catriana have some apologizing due to these brave, impacted youngsters.
lisabobeesa Says: June 12th, 2005 at 6:16 pm
i live in caribbean on an island….and i know firsthand that you dont ahve to be donald trump rich to have pull and power locally..it the big fish in a little pond syndrome..i guess i am all too aware of…
Yes, hasibokos dot com had a link to one of the local papers which seemed to have a whole page 2 devoted to the mom’s suffering:
Article about Joran’s mom on page two
http://www.cspnv.com/PDF/11/A11.pdf
UPDATE 6: Lesa e vershon digital di Bon Dia Aruba aki(PDF).Tin hopi informashon i splikashon di prensa Arubano mes ku ta bisa ku CNN i AP a bati alarma falsu. http://www.hasibokos.com/
Thanks for the info Arubagirl. Do you know if Top 95 (?) is offered on a global radio site? Just curious.
Mr.Van Der Sloot is not a judge here yet and apparently the PM is no tin good waters with neither him or Mr. Van Straten and they both know that The PM is not too happy with either of them and apparently he tried to replace Mr Van Straten but it was difficult to do so due to another law here and he couldn tjust “FIRE”him or switch him
OK…gotta go cook dinner.
Say a prayer for Natalee when you sit down to dinner…
impatient? we’re talking of an island that’s about 20miX6mi, and less than 100,000 people.
http://www.top95fm.aw thats the radio station
Dallas – those students shouldn’t be discussing any of what they experienced online in a forum like this. In fact, one of them last night even alluded to that – all it can do is make things worse for them emotionally.
How has the power in Aruba then? Not the PM. I am not surprised to hear that.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NataleeHolloway/
Thanks AA.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NataleeHolloway/chat
The yahoo chat room as requested!
All people cope in different ways. For some, it may be therapeutic to discuss it among other people. Unfortunately, there are people with no compassion who only make them feel worse.
What I would like to know is when Natalee got in the car, did she and Van der Poot get in the front and the other two in the back? If so, how did they end up making out in the backseat if “she wouldn’t get out of the car? Any ideas here?
Pychic – it would be better for them to discuss it amongst themselves. They are contributing as much to the rumor mongering as the US media. Compassion is not something you’re going to find on the Internet in a situation such as this.
please….
Native
The evidence is there-yep
You are repeating the story told by the 3 amigos-disregard it. You know they are lying.
Just because someone states how they feel about something, doesn’t mean they are without compassion. Sadly, people have a tendency on the internet to read things into posts that aren’t there, causing some to over-react.
All people do cope in different ways, true. Someone can’t make someone feel a certain way. People feel a certain way of their own accord.
FYI, just because someone says on an internet comment board that they are “so and so” does NOT make it necessarily true. I would love to have Natalee’s friends and family join us here, too. But to be totally honest, I wouldn’t know who is or isn’t her friend and family. I certainly don’t accept that any given poster here is “close” to Natalee JUST because THEY say so. Although, it does seem that a lot of people do.
I think anyone who truly is a friend of Natalee, wouldn’t spend most of their post time complaining about other posters.
Her friend said earlier that they left C&C’s at 1:30
The interrogators are looking for inconsistenies, right? Wouldn’t this be one?
th eprime Minister is to put order here and is responsible but rememebr they are an island of the Dutch kingdom and everything has a process so for him to remove Van Straten form this it would take time a nd a kind sof “trail”lbut they didnt want that so it wouldn bring more confusion or such
to the retard posting as Sherbob’s an Idiot…
god, you are thick…
What I would like to know is when Natalee got in the car, did she and Van der Poot get in the front and the other two in the back? If so, how did they end up making out in the backseat if “she wouldn’t get out of the car? Any ideas here?
The interrogators are looking for inconsistenies, right? Wouldn’t this be one?
Astrid, I have no idea if they’re on a global network.
“I certainly don’t accept that any given poster here is “close” to Natalee JUST because THEY say so”
Bravo. Anyone can be anybody on the Internet. Well said.
(((arubagirl )))Please take care for your health with the flu and its effects.
Thank you for your grace under pressure and for blasting those who abuse your grace!
Catriana – How do you expect someone to interpret you placing blame on them for their friend’s disappearance and possible murder?? You think it’s over-reacting to be upset by that? Do you even read what you post?
By the way, the PM is going to be giving a speech, not a press conference. Oh joy.
Awww, thanks to lurkingmom.
It seems that people saw her leave with the 3 amigos and assumed she was being driven back to the hotel. If the intention was to make out then Natalee and van der Sloot would be in the back seat with one of the brothers driving. I assume that van der Sloot got into the back seat with her immediately.
Catriano, you’re lost. That girl was for real. Your conduct towards her was unacceptable.
where is he speaking?
Where? You mean the location he’ll be broadcasting from? I have no idea.
Psychic, Of course I read what I post. I stand behind what I post. I have the right to my opinion as much as you do or anyone else here. How people react to my opinion is their problem, not mine. I don’t get bothered by the things you’ve called me!
As I’ve stated and will state for the last time. If one can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Pyshic, from this point forward, I shall not be posting defending myself to you or anyone else. Think what you will, you will anyway. If you don’t like reading my posts, why are you reading them?
This is my last comments to you, since you obviously are more concerned with me, than you are with subject at hand.. which is the tragic disappearance of a young woman. A disappearance caused in part, by the young womans own poor choices (as well as others).
Thanks Leslie for your reply, but you are assuming, right? I wish someone knew from early statements by her friends who saw her leave. Sure would like to know.
arubagirl, is the news currently on Top95 anything new?
Nope. Just saying that Aruba will survive this media circus.
Thank you.
I wasn’t there so of course I am assuming. How else would it have happened? The brothers say they NEVER got out of the car after driving away.
The girl “—” from MB is for real.
We have no idea what pretences Natalee left under. She may have thought she was going back to the hotel or just out to look at the light house. Anyone can be snatched up at anytime and something horrible can happen to them. Whoever did this to Natalee was evil, it was not her choice.
Anyone know anymore information on how about the parents met Van der Sloot?
BREAKING NEWS- there’s been another twist in the investigation because witnesses have observed the Dutch guy Joran and his two Surinamese friends that night involved in a “tickle fight” in the Carlos ‘n Charlies parking lot. They were only wearing “tighty whity” BVD style underwear, screaming like schoolgirls and Village People music was overheard playing in the background.
Prime Minister is running for re-election in 6 months. How bout that!
Hey, I’m glad you won’t be responding since your replies are ridiculous. You actually justify hurting a girl whose friend may have been murdered?? You even said you were proud when she said how callous you were being.
That’s okay. I understand you don’t have any soul.
Of course Aruba will survive. Nothing is destroyed by a few bad seeds. We all have them (unfortunately). It will just take the next big tragedy/disaster to take the eye off Aruba. I’m pretty sure it won’t take long for that to happen. We seem to be a world of disasters and tragedies.
I’m with you, Sarah!
WOw, Top 95 was doing so well, and now they’ve gone to the deep end…
Cat – You must be one of them “compassionate conservatives.”
Well said Catriana
Booya, heeheeeheee
What the 3 amigos are doing to Natalee’s family is sadistic.
Do they still think she is alive?
The three amigos are in complete control until one of them confesses and leads us to Natalee. Then they have sealed their fate. Until then, they really hold all of the cards. They are not dummies by any means.
If they don’t come up with something good on this, (a valid case)Aruba can be expected to suffer negative revererations for some time to come.
Psychic – Cat isn’t saying anything I haven’t seen 5000 other times on other message boards. I personally think a lot of NH friends and family who are associated with this case are going thru quite a bit of emotional turmoil, and coming to a messageboard to find solace just isn’t in their best interests.
Arubagirl- They were also observed earlier in the day rollerblading wearing pink lycra bicycle shorts, bodies covered in baby oil, and they appeared to be playing a game of “grab-a$$” Hende loko ariba thread akinan
Sarah… You can remain as niave as you wish, but Natalee made poor choices. Not saying that there weren’t other things that led up to this tragedy, because there certainly were many things.
I understand that no one wants to blame the “victim”, but the truth is… most victims put themselves in the situation. It would seem that Natalee placed her trust in people that she shouldn’t have, after only a few days of knowing them.
Read a book called “the Gift of Fear” by Gavin de Becker. It discusses how our instincts and survival signals can protect us from violence. Of course, alcohol consumption can wrech havoc with our natural instincts.
reverberations, oops
How could they think that? Without a body there is still hope.
Actually, I’m more accurately described as a dis-illusioned Moderate.
Wow, Catriana,
It must feel so good to know the answers to everything and to be perfect. You must be so proud of yourself! Congratulations!
Catriana, Ok, but so what?
Catriana, however you’re described, you went into that girl earlier today. Are you sick or what?
RB,
But if they ARE here, there’s no need to antagonize them and make them feel worse.
Booya, wonder when CNN is going to break that news. Hende loko mes, mes aki riba.
hahaha i love the fact cu nan no ta compronde boso
What are Top95 saying? Hearing a lot of “Natalee”.
Lessons learned are obvious. But it does no good at all to badger continuosly those who are most hurt and distressed by this. They have my support 100% and I don’t cast any blame towards the victim or her friends.
Cat,
I’m not nieve in the least. I just think that if we live in fear, then we never leave our bubble. Who, when they were young, has not done things that wreaked some sort of havic on someones life. I think that this was an accident and that these three kids are scared to death to confess because accident or not, they have consequences to face. I am not a trusting person, always a little weary of situations, but Natalee and her friends had been spending time with these boys in the days prior to the disappearance and may have felt safe around them. She must have trusted them or she wouldn’t have left with them. From what has been printed, she was a pretty reliable girl in the past.
Talking about the blood, whose it is, who said what, etc.
Pesey mi mes ta skibi koy loko. Mi ta bin bekAruba pa vakantie aki un luna. Cos a kambia ey bou cu CNN FOX ABC
Psychic – I don’t think she’s trying to do that. I think she’s trying to make the point that such situations are mostly avoidable if women (especially younger women) make personal safety a priority. If they ARE here, they should understand that and they should expect others who post in such a medium will not ivy cover their opinions – there’s no way of knowing who knows who or who is this or that.
K… I don’t know the answers to everything. Your post only illustrates exactly what I was saying about people reading things into posts that aren’t there. Thank you for giving people the example.
You might read some of the posts further up from this one. You will find prime examples of posters who try to deflect the comments from the issue and focus ON a given poster. Usually, in an internet forum.. this is done because the poster has no valid comments to make.
I’ve found that the best way to handle those types of posters, is to ignore them. What we call on some forums, ghosting. You don’t talk about them, or mention them or discuss their opinions with anyone else.
As I said, I don’t know everything. I will admit that I do know a lot of things and I don’t mind sharing that knowledge with others. Isn’t that what we are all doing?
But, it’s nice of you to think that I know everything. I just couldn’t let you go on with that delusion. It wouldn’t be right!
Now, do you have any insight about what might have happened to Natalee? since this really isn’t about you or me.
This seems like a neverending nightmare. Why not give the boys a polygraph test?
Has there been any news since the whole “blood isn’t really blood” thing?
Are you speaking Papiamento? It seems similar to Spanish.
Booya, don’t know, mi mo ta wakiendo tv. Ban spera pa ora bo bin, tur e bochincha aki a caba.
CNN just reported “cracks” in the three amigos story. Of course, they don’t know what those cracks are…
mi tambe ta bayendo cu vakantie eynan aki 20 dia…mi ta super pura!
RB…. Don’t fret. Some people just like to have someone they can complain about. It doesn’t bother me. I know that my opinions are just my opinions. I just enjoy sharing them.
And I’ve enjoyed reading your insights, RB.
Lessons learned are obvious. But it does no good at all to badger continuosly those who are most hurt and distressed by this. They have my support 100% and I don’t cast any blame towards the victim or her friends.
Sarah, I agree with you except accident or no, the amios are committing a crime if they did nothing after whatever befell Natalee.
arubagirl, I’d love to be updated on the “facts” of the blood. Was it blood or other fluid, which car, whose car, seat or trunk, etc. Some of the things published and reported today seem to be fabrications rather than facts.
Astrid, yes. Checking if we still remember the language….
wait, what is going on with the “blood” ordeal?
Fox is reporting that it was not blood found, but something else for those asking.
mustique, nothing official yet. The radio station says that according to them, it wasn’t her blood. But nothing from cops/FBI/prosecutor.
Catriana: Most young men are not rapists and murderers. You do not know what happened that night; if she was dragged into the car because she was intoxicated or went willingly because she thought van der Sloot was a prince of a guy. Evil sometimes has a very normal face. Ask Amber Frey and Scott Peterson’s former in-laws.
Stop blaming a young naive beautiful girl who might have been raised to see the good in all people and thought her angels would protect her.
Not blood! What? Not said. Van der Poot’s car.
— Says,
They’re saying what they found wasn’t blood
Give it a rest, Catriana. I’ve read all the posts. I was on here until late last night. If YOU go back and read the posts, you’ll see that 95% of them were about this missing girl, and her family, and how badly I feel for them.
And really, “since this really isn’t about you or me”? Please. I believe you contributed to running off some sad, scared friends of Ms. Holloway’s today. How does that make YOU feel? Now, who’s in it for herself?
What was it then?
Hi Arubagirl, so glad you are keeping us up to date.
“Why not give the boys a polygraph test?”
The attorney for the guards said on LKL that they do not use them at all in Aruba.
It wasn’t blood possible saliva. But because the boys say she was in the car, it gives no lead.
Cat – I understand WRT to the opinions. I deal with it all the time
I’ve enjoyed reading your posts as well. Interestingly, I would rather the students who were with her didn’t post, and commiserated amongst themselves – I think it’s better for them, and in turn, keeps rumors and character-driven threads from running rampant about Natalee.
Mi no ta kere cu e cos aki ta bai dana Aruba……..Mi tin 25 ana bibando ne merka y e hendenan aki ta hopi “vergeetachtig” tokante kos nan manera loke ta pasando
I would think that after this much time in jail, that at least one of the young men would start to crack. Let’s hope we can get some honest information and soon!
I remember that cracks were reported in the guards stories as well, they amounted to little more than one not remembering he had gone jogging with the other that morning.
Yeah, it’s not that difficult to get a girl to with you, just have to know how to press the right buttons….
Natalee’s only trnsgression was being friendly, trusting and beautiful. She was persued and victimized.
Is that — from MB?
“HI…I’m Brian Fellows…Aruba is crazy!!!!!”
Maybe it’s time to import the polygraph to the island. Just the thought of taking one might make one of them talk.
“Please. I believe you contributed to running off some sad, scared friends of Ms. Holloway’s today”
And how do you know who is or isn’t Ms Holloway’s friends other than what they professed to be? What proof is there of that? It’s just as easy with all I’ve seen to post here professing to be one of her friends and you’d never know the difference. Tom might, if he’s tracking IP’s, but you would not.
hi all, i’ve been lurking for days…
as to the “blood”, fox news reported a few minutes ago that it was tested and is said to NOT be blood (they mentioned it may be bile or saliva but that sort of evidence would be inconclusive because as per the boys’ testimony, it is already known that natalee was in the car).
somewhat relieving, i suppose.
I hope that this conference gives some sight to the whereabouts of Natalee.
Booya, bo tin hopi razon eynan. Pesey mi no tin hopi stress riba esey, pero esta cu e henenan aki por ta bobo, mi Dios.
yeah.. I’m back.. GPTMB is here too
Does anyone know if they are letting the FBI probe these suspects? I don’t know if Aruban law would allow it, but man…I have to think they’d be able to get something out of these kids.
MissyRose, it’s not going to be press conference, just a speech (ugh). Just FYI.
Arubagirl, did Top95 say anything about the substance not being blood? Has anyone besides Fox said it was not blood? Has anyone besides Fox said it was found in the trunk and not the seat as we first heard? And always, thank you.
Brian Fellows! LMAO!
K, I really really hope so. Otherwise what’s the point of having 30 FBI agents on the island.
Hi, good luck in here. Beware there a cold hearts among us.
Aruba girl…Miss B… nos ta bay party ora nos yega Aruba y lubida tur e sono malo aki
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/
Translator for those who might wish to translate any news!
Well hopefully the prime minister will be able to let us know when this mess should be cleaned up by. I am sure that yall want the media out.
arubagirl, can I ask you a really dumb question?
Catriana, I can assure you that others on this board will make sure that your hurtful and inconsiderate remarks are confronted when they occur. That you don’t care who you hurt is just as sad as it can be. You are very selfish to not care who you hurt, just so you can say your two cents. It wouldn’t be so bad, but you laid into that girl who had been on the trip with Natalee. No way do you have any right to do that. This board doesn’t give you that right.
Arubagirl, has it grown to 30 now?
Mustique, no, Top, they just that is wasn’t Natalie’s blood. I’m not even watching the tv, because CNN is making my blood boil.
No prob, mustique.
Hi …..I’m Brian Fellows…K in Texas like crack!!!!
According to someone posting earlier, Aruba doesn’t have murders so I guess the FBI will explain it all to them.
Arubagirl e “speech” ta bai wordo pasa live na telearuba? mi kier sa ja cu mi ta na hulanda anto porta mi por volg e online.
Anyone know what is happening with the family right now?
“It wouldn’t be so bad, but you laid into that girl who had been on the trip with Natalee.”
Dallas, can youo provide proof that the person who was supposed friend of Ms Holloway’s is really who he/she says she is?
I have tv turned off too.
—-, I ask this before but no one could help.What I would like to know is when Natalee got in the car, did she and Van der Poot get in the front and the other two in the back? If so, how did they end up making out in the backseat if “she wouldn’t get out of the car? Any ideas here?
The interrogators are looking for inconsistenies, right? Wouldn’t this be one?
Do you know anyone who could shed some light?
Leslie.. I didn’t see that information. I would find it hard to believe that they never have murders (though I don’t know). Would be something worth investigating.
Well, according to RB it has.
According to TOP
I better check my temperature here, looks as if the fever has come back
right on Booya!!
“Well, according to RB it has. ”
Uhm, I asked if it had grown to 30 FBI agents, per your post. I didn’t say it had.
Arubagirl, where do people from Aruba like to go when they go on vacation? I assume they like to get off the island every once in awhile!?
Miss B, mi kier sa cu si, pero mi no por sigurabo.
Hey guys… we’re headin out, we’re goin to go see sisterhood of the traveling pants. I’m making GPTMB watch chick flicks to get my mind off things. haha. Well ttyl
I thought that she souldn’t get out of the car at the holiday inn , not in at the lighthouse.
Do we know if the argument earlier with Joren and a high school kid was over Natalee?
“— Says:
Hey guys… we’re headin out, we’re goin to go see sisterhood of the traveling pants. I’m making GPTMB watch chick flicks to get my mind off things. haha. Well ttyl ”
How very interesting.
At the beach (lt hs) As I understood.
Well, Nate, I guess everyone’s different. I, for example, am addicted to U.S. malls. Some like to go to Europe, or Disney, or Puerto Rico.
I never saw her get into the car, so I couldn’t say. I just talked to her apparently right before she got in the car… I thought she wa sgoing to get in the taxi with other MB kids.
Miss B Horen jullie in Nederland ook veel over de ontwikkelingen wat de zaak Holloway betreft?
— if you want to watch a really good chick flick, go rent “The Notebook”
DT: thats what the boys said happened. Do you really believe anything they say?
Arubagirl…. Hey, I can’t blame you. Malls can be lots of fun and we have lots of them!
RB, please, check my post directly underneath that one, I mistyped.
Thanks Arubagirl…just curious…I told you it was a dumb question…
Im skeptical of the events at the lighthouse and everything afterwords, although I think they might have taken her there.
I don’t believe waht they say but want to pay attention to what they say to catch their flaws.
RB, GPTMB has a question… why are you mean? We’re just kids… Leave us the heack alone… We are who we say we are dad-gummit… Why would we lie about something like that… We’re only here to defend our friends and our community…
eerlijk gezegd…niet dat ik weet…ik ben ziek in deze dagen en dus ben ik thuis..en ik hou niet zo veel van tv kijken dus volg ik het nieuws via internet of gewoon van familie of vrienden in aruba. En ik heb de krant in dagen niet gelezen!
Woop tee doo….what does it all mean?
owen2u, it is my fervent hope that the parties involved can reach an agreement that will bring good news to Natalee’s family, and I am confident that if this can be done discreetly and in a manner that avoids possible embarrassment to sensitive interests, there are those who would not oppose such an effort.
Arubagirl – I saw that, thanks
I was like whhhhhuuut….. 
Catriana, many many malls. Books, clothes, dvds… Oh damn, now I want to go…
hey we’re gonna miss our movie and he’s about to leave me here… I’ll ttyl…
Hi Everyone – Checking back in from the last two days.. Hi aruba girl, all the folks from Texas too, Tom and Red, etc…
Dallas – the jerk constantly harping on the so-called “chaperones” (aka parents who went on the trip) – has been doing this for a couple days now, making incredibly rude and hurtful statements like, “the parents were whoring out the daughter by sending her on the trip” – etc. Tom, the fellow running this board – blocked that person from posting using multiple board names. I think this person is getting some pathological delight in scolding people surrounding this tragedy, presumably from his idyllic life as “Father of the Year” – sitting behind a computer somewhere. If he truly cared about people, as he pretends to do as the pretext for his continual “bad parents” posts, then he wouldn’t be repeatedly making horrible remarks which certainly have the intended effect of hurting others. He’s a hypocrite and clearly has psychological problems…
Anyway, on to the topic at hand –
The PM yesterday on Geraldo *promised* there’d be some conclusion to this case by today. He’s set to give a speech in a few minutes. If he rambles on about how he and his island are doing all they can, but there’s nothing to report – I expect you will see a shitstorm of criticism heaped upon him and his law enforcement people.
Let’s see what happens.. Apart from that and today’s excavation at the lighthouse which revealed nothing – I dont think there’s anything to report. The fact that they did do an excavation tells me they have no idea where the body may be, despite having the 3 kids in custody and subjecting them to interrogation..
arubagirl…have you been to the one in Minnesota?
And I can’t even say I have a fever for being so stupid (Temp = normal).
— and GPTMB, enjoy the movie. That’s a great idea for you guys!
Bye!—-
Isn’t it amazing how the whole world can be held at bay..because of the actions of a couple of cocky, arrogant teenagers? If I had the FBI interrogating me..I’d be sweating. But a sociopaths personality never thinks they do anything wrong..and they also believe the whole world revolves around them. All Joran seems to do is call his Momma..and discuss what he should say. Pitiful.
Iedereen is altijd ziek in Nederland
No, I WISH. I’ve only been to Florida.
“RB, GPTMB has a question… why are you mean? We’re just kids… Leave us the heack alone… We are who we say we are dad-gummit… Why would we lie about something like that… We’re only here to defend our friends and our community…”
I have no way of know if you’re “just kids.” And I’m not being “mean.” You could be anyone for all I know – I could tell you that I’m the director of the CIA and you’d never know the difference.
tenminste zijn ze wat normaler dan deze groep.
arubagirl…yeah, i’ve only seen video footage of it…it’s amazing…like a themepark or something..
“And I can’t even say I have a fever for being so stupid”
Not stupid – just your fingers just ignored what your brian was telling you. Happens to me all the time.
RB… The director of the CIA? OMG.. small world. My daughter works there!
RB…you’re not the Director of the CIA! I am! Quit lying!
hahaha true!
Someone reported earlier that Van Der Sloot was going to Flagler College in Florida, anyone know if that is true?
Cat – Great minds think alike.
To those speaking Papiamentu and Dutch, would you like me to post the translations for all to read?
Miss B, waar ben je in Nederland als ik het vragen mag?
I did read somewhere that he had been accepted to a college in Florida. I don’t remember the name on that article, but you could have the right name there.
No I was before I decided to be 41! LOL
Ik ben een Arubaanse Nederlander Amerikaan…..dus ik ben sowieso een kwart normaal. I can’t handle these depraved moral reprobates…….
Nate – welcome to the Great Minds Club
You know both? Oops, busted.
RB, — and GPTMB proved in previous posts that they’re the real deal.
I also know that Tom and Red would tell you to post in English only. Thanks.
If that is true. It says a lot about his personality.
Ik ben in Rotterdam
Damn Booya, that’s quite a mix
Interesting item from RIEHLWORLD:
Interesting
Every attorney involved in this on the part of those arrested has statements or positions throughout the news reports except for one – the attorney for the eldest brother, Deepak Kalpoe.
I cannot find a single report where he has interacted with the press. If anyone finds anything, please let me know. It is not the same attorney as the younger brother. I have a suggested name, Rudy Oomen, but can’t confirm until his office opens on Monday.
It may just be a matter of style, but I find it interesting that he hasn’t gone on record with anything I can search out through the Internet.
Ah yes, the Great Minds Club…not only am I the founder and president, but a client as well….
mustiq… that would be great, if they don’t mind. Having different languages intermingled sure makes it hard to know what’s going on. I envy all those who are multi-lingual. I only do English and even that.. I mess up a lot on.
“RB, — and GPTMB proved in previous posts that they’re the real deal”
You can’t prove that in an Internet messageboard posting, least not to my satisfaction.
Had you kids met the three boys that have been arrested and if so, what did you think of them?
Mustique, I’m not trying to offend anyone, it’s just that it’s getting to be a strain to post in English only.
I think I’m going to get me a quarter pounder with cheese meal…should I supersize?
Amen , RB. People should realize that the CIA needs more proof than just their word.
Rick, me too. I’ve heard the lawyer’s name was Oomen, but that’s just hearsay, so God knows if it’s true or not. Guess this lawyer is not so much of a famewhore.
RB, you’re wrong. They proved it.
you can’t supersize…only large size now..they took supersize off the menu…darn trans fatty acids…
“RB, — and GPTMB proved in previous posts that they’re the real deal”
You can’t prove that in an Internet messageboard posting, least not to my satisfaction
I believe them!
Do it for me, booya! : )
Cat, you rascal. Have you been reading Nate’s and my SOP?
I believe them.
Just common courtesy to speak a language we all can understand. And absolutely no harm intended. You’re interpretations and on the island insight have been invaluable. You are very appreciated. Thanks as always.
IDontKnowNuttin – that’s your choice. Not mine.
ARRIBA LA RAZA…..Mara Salvatrucha siempre se respeta!!!
What, RB… didn’t you get the memo??? :p
Well, that’s mighty gracious of you!
Ha! I understand your need for a break.
Asi se dice, Booya
Heh.
No Cat, I didn’t get the memo…although I should have checked the bathroom wall….
Great, RB…. so much for our secret rendevous place.
Now I have to find another one!
Cat…sorry he didn’t get the memo…I was too busy working on the TPS reports…forgot to deliver the memos…
IDontKnowNuttin – I’m just respecting your right to believe as you choose. I just don’t believe the same thing, that’s all. We can agree to disagree, can we not?
Aruba girl- bisami kiko hendenan na Aruba ta pensa loke a pasa ku e mucha aki. Denkt iedereen dat ze vermoord is of is ze misschien verdronken
Yep!
That was easy enough to Google
ar ·ri ·ba (É™-rÄ”‘bÉ™)
interj.
Used as an exclamation of pleasure, approval, or elation.
La Ra ·za (là ¤ rà ¤’sà ¤)
n.
Mexicans or Mexican Americans considered as a group, sometimes extending to all Spanish-speaking people of the Americas.
[American Spanish, the people.]
Mara whoever – a gang?
siempre se respeta – show some respect. Just a guess.
Booya, the three guys had something to do with it, could be overdosis, raped and murdered, god knows.
Dallas Also – You’re welcome to your belief. I don’t share it.
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http://www.freetranslation.com/
On line translator… free
I believe that she either overdosed or passed out, and the boys panicked.
Whitney, is that you?
” Hi…I’m Brian Fellows…snakes scare me cause they ugly !”
arubagirl, the broadcast tonight will be in your native language, is that correct? And only for local media? Do you mean that CNN and Fox are not allowed to attend?
I am reading a report that says they found a dog body decomposing by the lighthouse, anyone on the island here this?
PM is on tv, but he’s only listing his “accomplishments”. I’m guessing that this is an old interview, as TOP is still playing music.
MSNBC is an affiliate of the news station in Aruba. I would be willing to believe that MSNBC will be have info. I also believe it would be difficult to have a broadcast that was not being translated by those reporters who are there and with other networks.
I really think this is a tactical mistake for the PM, if all he’s going to do is speak in Papimento, and offer general “support” comments for the family and remind everyone what a wonderful tourist destination Aruba is, and how safe it is..
He yesterday essentially promised resolution of the case by today – on Geraldo’s program – and if all he does is the above – then I think he and his agencies will deserve all the criticism they will likely get. I also think it will have the opposite of the intended effect – to make the government there look like nincompoops and hurt tourism.
I hope I’m proved wrong and there are new details offered… we’ll know in a few mins..
Dallas, I have no idea on both questions. But I have feeling that the people from CNN aren’t exactly going to be welcomed with open arms
.
MissyRose, I’ve heard the dog story on TOP, they’ve even digged further, but I didn’t catch the location.
For those in NL, TeleAruba is going to transmit PM’s speech.
I would think having Geraldo there would be a huge incentive to solve this case and get him the hell off the island.
LOL, Kat!
But Kat, don’t you think the locals there are really enjoying him? Didn’t someone post that he was in a limbo contest last night?
Probably Geraldo can call in some favors. That’s why he’s there.
Maybe he’ll fall in love with the blue waters and the wonderful climate and relocate there!
Kat, a dreamer
K, we’re about to give him honorary citizenship…: )
Maybe he’ll fall in love with the blue waters and the wonderful climate and relocate there!
You’re welcome in advance, Aruba.
I see my ronco repeat-o-matic is working…
Okay speech is starting but nothing on Tele aruba
na Top si??
Speech didn’t start.
Missyrose, I’m pretty sure that the site you claimed is Joran’s brothers isn’t. There are references to a “NatalIe,” but her name is spelled different. And if you look on his friends page, you can find Natalie’s page, and you’ll discover that she’s a native Arubian that’s his age and also his girlfriend.
Si, Miss B.
Are you going to meet him out tonight, Arubagirl? Be sure to compliment him on his metrosexual outfit, and bring along a little comb for his luscious mustache! LOLOL!
You know, he deserves a lot of the criticism he’s getting, but he certainly is applying a huge amount of pressure on the Aruban governemnt right now. The weapon of international negative publicity and ruined tourism will certainly be the best possible motivator for the government to ensure that things are done properly, that there is no favoritism, etc..
If the international media wasn’t there, I wonder if anyone would have been arrested?
His interview of the Holloway family last night almost certainly turned off thousands of people from visiting Aruba. I can’t imagine it didn’t…
It is 8PM and I am wating telearuba
That is his page. But the Natalie is the brothers girlfriend not this Natalee. That page hasn’t been updated in 2 years. We were looking at his profile.
Just once, some profesionalism from our PM. ONCE.
Missy, do you have the link to the webpage? TIA!
I don’t have it anymore but I did post it in the 1120 forum I believe. It is a tickle.com site
http://www.telearuba.aw/
Right now Prime Minister will give a statement on Radio and television.
You can acces the different media through http://www.arubadag.com also live on Arubian Television.. TeleAruba.
20:05 Arubian Time
The speech is starting.
started!!!!!!!
MS-NBC just reported substance being tested not blood.
Geraldo actually entertains me quite abit. Everything is so *dramatic*! And he has guts…I’ll give him that.
Telling the story about how it all started 2 weeks ago
FOX NEWS- Angry at local authorities not releasing more information regarding the pending investigation, Geraldo rivera has apparently kidnapped Prime Minister Nelson Oduber from his cactus fortified palace, and has him detained under duress at the Arashi lighthouse on the top floor. He’s threathening to torture Mr. Oduber by making him listen to Geraldos stories about how he was a total hot chick magnet back in the seventies and eighties and how he scored with countless female news anchors because of his bitchin’ mustache.
In addition to more information regarding the case, he also wants twentyfive dollars in complimentary casino chips and “one of those drinks” with a fruit slice and umbrella.
It is still in papiamento though, but maybe he will say it in english, still can’t find the body he says, an isolated incident, our Island is know as a island that has a great hospitality.
we arubians fought for more than 50 (?) years to keep the island safe?
This incident shook the whole population of Aruba
LOL Booakasha! I think I’ll email that to him…
Not to start anything, but I think it sucks out loud that he’s excluding US reporters from this. I mean, it’s not like we have any interest is what’s going on..
Hee B.
He’s really not saying anything new
Aruba is in solidarity with the family, we’re safe, blah blah
Booyakasha… hehehehe, you are funny, now let us continue
NBC is there.
OMG, Boo! ROFLMAO – good one!
He is not giving us any new information, is he?
Hi..dizzz izzz hhheraldo reporting for foxxzz newzzz
It sounds like PM Oduber is clearing everything up, just as he promised.
He would probably not be able to do this if he did not have the help of experienced speech writing consultants on loan from the Pentagon.
Teo, so no progress is being announced, so far?
LMAO at Booya!
anyone know what he’s saying
Teo….funny??? I’m totally hot and bitchin and love surfing the waves
Kat..thats why you have to locals now translating it
I give up
Government doesn’t meddle in any investigation, according to PM.
Government will work day and night to resolve this case.
Whether Natalie is alive or dead by criminal means. THis last we do not even want to contemplate. God will spare Aruba’s toursim.
Aruba gives hospitality and cooperation to media, we want to treat them as our friends, but they have to respect government.
“Not to start anything, but I think it sucks out loud that he’s excluding US reporters from this.”
He can’t handle the US media. As Arubagirl accurately points out, they are a pack of rabid dogs. To their credit though, they typically get to the truth, albeit sometimes in a detour fashion…
God will spare Aruba’s tourism??
Government doesn’t meddle in any investigation, according to PM.
Government will work day and night to resolve this case.
Could be language barrier, but those two statements seem to conflict.
No, as far I understood, the body is NOT found, so they say, she may be alive or not, but still they do not know
Remember this is the PM speaking..so I do not know what officials of the Police know
Its more like he is appealing to the press bot national and international that the government will work this case out
arubagirl, the PM is falling flat on his face. He is not giving us one single word of information.
Hi..hheraldo hhere what are deez localzz zaying?? I’m dizcombobulated…back to my hot ancor babe in Atlanta
Oh gosh – Just as I feared… “Aruba is safe, we wish the family well, we’re working on it, come enjoy our lovely beaches”
Trying to assure the tourists that this never happens in Aruba. Looks like a scene from the old Mission Impossible TV show.
Don’t thin government and its institutes believe that anyone is above the law, and when tangible evidence will be had, the heaviest measurements of the law will be taken.
We’re asking the States for patience. We know that the parents, family, etc. have a lot of a pressure on the institutes, but we must gave room for institutions to work.
We asked the FBI for help and if we need more help we’ll ask for it.
Have the chaperons been identified yet? Any names given?
Deputy
Well if he isn’t reelected next year, he could always apply for a postion in the Homeland Security Dept. here.
Aruba gilr-lesa me post tocante Geraldo y Nel Oduber y duna Tele Aruba of diario
Have the chaperons been identified yet? Any names given?
Deputy
Let the FBI get the truth out of the 3 amigos. Should take about an hour.
They won’t identify the chaperones. There is no need to.
“We’re asking the States for patience. We know that the parents, family, etc. have a lot of a pressure on the institutes, but we must gave room for institutions to work.”
THAT speaks volumes. Thanks Arubagirl, for the translation and update
On this island there is no discrimantion based on race of color. Ever since the first refinary, we’ve had a natural integration of everyone.
Our laws do not allow discrimination to happen, let no one tell you otherwise.
Everyone should respect these lies
I’m sure that the longer the foreign media stays on the island, they’ll see how serious we are, what has been built, how honest we are, how much has been invested, a big partnership between private sector and government, and we will only win their respect.
We have a good relationship with the U.S.
Those of you who are from abroad, believe that no one is above the law.
“Have the chaperons been identified yet? Any names given?”
No. And the answer will be the same 5 minutes from now.
On this island we do not know rasicsme…everybody is welcome as long they love this rock (island Aruba)
Our institution wont look at the colors, but following the lwa, and he is confident if the international press will stay long enough,m they will see for them self that Aruba is not what some may thnink, but that Aruba…lost it..sorry
Rick, I can hear the sound from here of vast numbers of groups cancelling their Aruba travel plans. Sadly, the current amount of progress is not enough action by American standards.
Kat, go take a papiamento lessons and then you can call the authorithies in Aruba and ask them your questions
Former Sheriff Deputy – and every other name you use here –
Give it a freakin’ rest, willya?
If you believe so strongly that the so-called chaperones are at fault, then scroll back to our conversations yesterday, and call the Holiday Inn, give YOUR real name, and give them your constructive criticism without the cloak of a computer, where you can pretend to be the all-knowing Parenting Magazines Man Of The Year.
As pointed out earlier, your constant harsh comments counter your supposed desire to ‘help people’ – you’re a psychotic hypocrite.
Let me know if you need the HI phone number, or if youre merely a message board coward and hyporcrite.
Arubans don’t think you are to blame for this. For two weeks we have been in grip, and now it’s time for life for us to get to normal
Ending as PM, I’d like to thank the whole Aruban community, press, private sector, and to the family of the young lady NH, we tel them, we shall not rest as long as our government and institituions solve this case.
May God give his blessings on them and on our island.
Cocitizens, trust that our institutions will not rest until this is cause.
Thanks for all the cooperation and have a good evening.
when pm is finished and speech translated then we weill hear how press has misinterpreted papiamento ….
Even Cinyon said something like “it depends on your definition of the word IS….
All bunk, in any language
Heads are gonna roll.
A lot of nothing
I disagree. I think the chaperons should be identified. I think they should hae an open Q&A session so people can get the true story of what they did or didn’t do.
Deputy
‘Arubans don’t think you are to blame for this. For two weeks we have been in grip, and now it’s time for life for us to get to normal”
Ewwwww. Not a terrific statement for the family to hear. Their lives will never be “normal.”
I can’t believe I actually listened to that. Waste of bloody time.
arubagirl and Teo, thank you very much for your excellent assistance in translating the broadcast for us.
I guess we are astonished that there is not one single item to announce. He didn’t mention one angle or one bit of progress.
they are no closer to finding her. I swear everytime they speak it makes it so much more frustrating. It is like taking one step foward and two steps back.
Thanks Aruba girl.
Thank you, ArubaGirl.
Vota MEP
Who was the speechwriter: Judge van der Sloot ?
Dallas – agreed.
Also it seems that the probable errors in the investigation – releasing the three so soon after the initial detention, for instance, while keeping the security guards in jail – as well as the Keystone Cops “confession, no confession, body, no body, dead, not dead” – stuff, much of which was quoted by AP – is all going to blow up in their faces, exposing the government and LE as incompetent boobs that can’t guarantee anyone’s safety.
I think you’re right – and I think Gerlado is going to call the PM on yesterday’s apparent failed promise to deliver a resolution today- and tourism from the US is going to drop off dramatically.
At this moment, I cant imagine ANYONE planning an island trip and selecting Aruba as a destination.
Would you?
I doubt that they would tell the PM even if there was progress. I don’t think they’re on the closest of terms right now.
Ugh, just some political grandstanding.
Life can’t really get back to normal with this case being around us 24/7
Former Sheriff’s Deputy – since you’re a “former” deputy, I guess there’s no sense in asking you if you’ve played with the lights on your cruiser lately……
It’s amazing how little we know about this case and the investigation. After two weeks, one would expect more… perhaps even from leaks to the press.
Furthermore, it seems rather bungled. Questioning three boys, arresting the security guards, then arresting the three boys, then this thing with the blood evidence that really isn’t blood, and then the police comment about one boy saying something bad happened to Natalee was retracted, the Aruba PM promising a result in 24 hours…. what the hell is going on?
How can an 18 year old women completely vanish on a small island like that? If she is dead and was tossed in the ocean, wouldn’t the body eventually rise to the surface and be brought back in by the tidesï ¼Å¸wouldnt they need a boatï ¼Å¸
Been lurking today – can’t stand it anymore.
Deputy:
My son was on a recent trip like this one booked by same company, etc. These people were NOT chaperones. They were adult advisors who PAID THEIR OWN WAY on the trip – and were ONLY available in case of emergency. Since 18 is the legal age for drinking in Aruba – I don’t think a trip to C&C constituted an emergency.
What good would their names do now? Coulda Shoulda & Woulda don’t work in hindsight Please drop the name blame game.
Respectfully,
Bunny
i would!
I’m going to have a new mantra:
v/d Sloot is not a judge not a judge not a judge.
dios, nami pasenshi cu e hendenan aki.
Arubagirl – I know I’m a fool, but thanks for the debrief.
I think each of the chaperons and the school need to be shaking in their boots. Take this to the bank — Daddy Holloway is going to bring a lawsuit against each and everyone of them.
You heard it 1st from the Deputy!
Deputy
Sounds like Darth Oduber is leaning towrads the dark side
Deputy,
Give it a rest. The chaperones did nothing wrong. Their obligations were understood prior to the trip and they were fulfilled!
arubagirl, you are helping your country by providing your perspective. Your government needs to hear that this is a case that must be resolved and that your citizens and our citizens mean business about this.
I just keep picturing Barney Fife pulling that one lonely bullet out of his pocket…
Have we heard any confirmed reports of any of the students using any drugs on the vacation? I know that — stated she was approached on the beach by the hotel but do we know what was around?
A Pep Rally for the locals. I can understand they are under a lot of stress and pressure. I sure hope that something gets solved here soon. Thank you, Arubagirl for sharing what you heard.
Rick, I wouldn’t have any problem vacationing in Aruba. But then, I went to China on vacation, too. I suppose I don’t expect anyone to gurantee my safety. And Aruba is still the safest destination in the Carribean.
aruba girl-did just”:when tangible evidence is had the heaviest msmnts of law will be taken”???
Natalie will in that case remain a mystery.
How sad
Thanx for your translation and thoughts.
Have we heard any confirmed reports of any of the students using any drugs on the vacation? I know that — stated she was approached on the beach by the hotel but do we know what was around?
Booya, I think he went to the dark side that time he decided to visit Bonaire to ‘assist’ on their referendum when Ivan was coming right at us.
Jerk.
Cat, that was as ‘peppy’ as a wake. : )
Sorry Arubagirl Judge in training van der Sloot.
aruba girl-
At least now the rest of the world knows it.
MissyRose, we have no reports that any students used any drugs.
Bunny –
This idiot has been posting the same tired comments here for the past three days, scolding the parents (aka ‘chaperones’), going so far as to say the parents, and I quote this psychotic a-hole, “whored out their daughter” by sending her on the trip.
Tom, the message board admin – pulled a number of posts like that, which were from different IDs, but the same IP or email address. Apparently it’s not enough for this psycho to make his point once or even twice, but he has some urgent need to repeatedly and harshly point fingers at people without benefit of knowing a damn thing about any one of them or the circumstances of the trip.
He’s insulted and scolded a young lady who claimed and seemed to be one of Natalee’s friends as well – this, under the pretense of ‘wanting to help’ -
Dude – you are an A-HOLE. A massive A-HOLE. And a coward.
He failed the training.
Belle Star….
If they did nothing wrong, how come they are not being named?
Deputy
Geraldo and Nel Oduber will embark on a booze cruise tonight; Geraldo’s going yo try to get Nel all liquored up with grain alcohol in order to extract information.
I can’t believe people actually voted for that guy. Blech.
Give it a rest Barney. I’m sure they’re all heartsick.
Rick – he just wants attention. Ignore him and he’ll go away to find others who will react to him.
Bill –
I wouldnt feel unsafe in Aruba either..
But, given the choice of destination in the region, I suspect that many people will go elsewhere, given this situation.
This was definitely not the thing to do – I expect to hear some scathing commentary in the hours to come…
Deputy, give it up. We aren’t after the chaperones. We are after the kidnappers. We want their names, and where they’ve got Natalee.
Why do we need there names? I guess they are witholding the names because some people have to place blame on others.
Booya, please, Nel’s English is barely coherent when he’s sober. God knows what’s language is goign to come out of his mouth when he’s drunk.
Deputy -
The chaperones were some of the school coaches and their wives. The MBHS website has taken down the staff directory page, but here are the top administrators. Call ‘em yourself tomorrow and ask. Now… shut up.
Principal Dicky Barlow 414-3800
Assistant Principals Ben Hudson 414-3800 Vic Wilson 414-3800
Staff Development Dr. Mary Evelyn Hollaway 414-3800
aruba girl-flu? feeling better or more sick?
I feel sick now too
Geraldo’s next question…”Who wants a mustache ride?!”
Thanks Rick – I saw him yesterday and the day before as well. His same tired rhetoric just absolutely made my blood BOIL.
LOL I must be PMS-ing
oops TMI
Arubagirl-miho Nel ser su boca y laga e departamento di polis duna nan declaracion.
Sick. Definitely sicker.
The topic of chaperones, friends and parents seems to come up frequently. These are valid questions as we should all learn from Natalee’s tragic experience. I have read that there were technically no ‘chaperones’ . The seven people who were non-students were simply along ‘in case of an emergency’. This was the understanding – both students and parents were aware of this and had to sign waivers. Regarding Natalee’s parents, as a parent, myself, this is not a trip I would have allowed my child to go on, but that is my personal decision to make. I do not think it is insulting Natalee to say that she made an unwise decision. The decision has obviously had tragic consequences. That fact must be recognized so that other young girls can take heed. As for the friends, I have also read that some boys on the trip had a pushing-shoving session with Dutchboy earlier because of the way he was talking to Natalie. I have also read that friends tried to get her to NOT go off in the car with the boys. The article even stated that one athlete even told her she was NOT getting into the car, but she did anyway and waved to her classmates as she and the 3 amigos drove off. I wonder, though, with hindsight why they didn’t grab a taxi and follow them? Maybe they don’t use taxis much in Aruba, but I can’t help wondering.
Changing the subject, I have also read that the 3 amigos had easy access to drugs, especially. Ectasy. If this is so, Ectasy combined with drinking and dancing (excercise) can be fatal. Could this be the “bad thing that happened” to Natalee? If so, could some higher ups in the drug ring want to keep this quiet and be forcing the Aruban LE to stall in order for forensic evidence to be destroyed by the time a body is found in that hot climate? Just asking on this one.
Arubagirl, you decide you were sicker after the PM’s speech?
Nel gewoon no mester papia, nunca.
Goddamn police and prosecution, open your mouths.
Maybe the reality of losing American and Canadian tourists will jolt the authorities into getting this case resolved.
oh yeah. He’s given me a headache.
Rick,
I did not do the things you claimed I did. Maybe someone used my ID.
For the record, I never said “”whored out their daughter” or scolded one of her friends.
Deputy
As soon as the more florid media organizations refocus on the Michael Jackson trial, the story will not be so much a topic of conversation in the US.
And Americans are making plans to visit Aruba, in fact, traffic is up.
There may be some reluctance on the part of vacationers of color, but the bulk of visitors to these resort islands, Aruba included, have not traditionally been “ethnic minorities” anyway.
Cliff Notes version, show is over, nothing to see here, move along. The FBI is on site, they are managing the situation, and that knowledge should be a great comfort to Americans.
“The topic of chaperones, friends and parents seems to come up frequently. These are valid questions as we should all learn from Natalee’s tragic experience. ”
Learn, yes. Valid questions of character for those poor folks? Definitely not.
Hi dizz izz hheraldo with Foxzz newzz…a swimmer in Aruba wazz attacked by a Great White szahrk today, but it doezn’t appear to be related to the invezztigation. Now back to you.
Leslie, we do want this thing solved as quickly as possible, trust me. Not like we’re enjoying this.
Well all I am taking a break. FOXNEWs is having special live from Aruba at 9pm. I am going to watch it. Not that we can believe any of it. Keep the news coming.
The more time it takes to find the body – the less evidence to determine the cause of death. I can figure out their story now. Natalee had an overdose of booze and drugs – accidental death – no murder. I will not believe it but can see the 3 amigos walking from this one. Truly sad.
Rick..that was Ronald…last night….with the ‘whoring out their daughter”… unless Ronald is…deputy
arubagirl,
Thanks for all you are doing! Your insight is helpful – although it seems you need to leave your computer and head the investigation!! We might get a little closer to an end then!
Aruba girl-
Booya,too
You know the press is gonna tear the police apart left and right.
The whole world is watching. Maybe a break if jackson verdict comes in…
Get used to it for a while
btw
Do you knw Rafa
Cautivo –
I disagree. The statistics you are looking at are for bookings that were already made, either prior to or through today.
Going forward, I don’t believe that tourism to Aruba will be up, I dont believe it will be flat – I expect it will sharply decline, especially once the media shitstorm over the handling of this case and the (mis)treatment of the Holloway family emerges.
If you watch Geraldo’s heartbreaking interview with the family – you can believe that is the tip of the iceberg. There’ll be more on CNN, 60 Minutes, Dateline, international media, etc – it’s a ‘good’ story for the press, and it will not go away anytime soon.
When the PM is confronted with yesterday’s promise of resolution, it’s certainly not going to help, and the repeated cries of “Aruba is a wonderful tourist spot, murders of young girls hardly ever happen. Really” – is just going to infuriate people..
I honestly cannot imagine anyone now visiting Aruba from the US with so many other destinations available, and ready to take advantage of Aruba’s self-inflicted bad fortune…
The stupid n!gger loving white bitch got what she deserved!!!!!!
Unfortunately, if she is gone, unless she was buried or in one of those caves there probably won’t be much of a body at this point….
The photo at the top of this Web page should be adopted as Aruba PM logo.
Reminder, best not to feed the trolls. Just report!
I think the deputy has a drinking problem.
Former LEO,
The students/parents all signed waivers that indicated these were not ‘chaperones’, absolving them from culpability/liability. Do you think that these waivers will not hold up in a civil trial?
You need to go after the PLANNERS of this event.
“If you watch Geraldo’s heartbreaking interview with the family – you can believe that is the tip of the iceberg. There’ll be more on CNN, 60 Minutes, Dateline, international media, etc – it’s a ‘good’ story for the press, and it will not go away anytime soon.”
I just confirmed this via subscription news to several of the journalism sites I frequent, with most tv and cable media sending investigative news crews beginning tomorrow.
fox news is doing a very imp sprecial NOW
on the Tushegee Airmen from world war two.
Aruba girl-are you hearing more music tonight?
CASE SOLVED
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED: HOLLOWAY AFTER TAKING A FEW DRINKS ; LATER ON STARTED MAKING LOVE TO A HANSOM GUY; AND TO COMPLETE HER NIGHT SHE TOOK SOME COCAINE ; THIS RESULTED IN RIGOR MORTIS THE BOYS PANICKED ; WITH THEM BEING YOUNG AND THEIR REPUTATIONS TO PROTECT THEY GOT SCARED AND GOT RID OF THE BODY: IN CONNECTION WITH THIS THEY ARE LOOKING FOR AN OTHER PERSON WHO PRESUMABLY IS A DRUGSDEALER:
You need to go after the persons who committed the crime.
Bill – Heh. See no evil…
Kipster,
Why do you keep addressing everything to me as “Former LEO”?
Deputy
There is a good possibility that drugs played a roll in her death and the three young punks got scared.
Leslie… First we have to find out WHO those persons are who committed a crime.
Former Deputy = Former LEO (Law Enforcement Officer)
Katie Couric interviewing Natalee’s mother on Today tomorrow morning….
L.E.O.
Law Enforcement Officer
LEO=Law Enforcement Officer
Hey! I’m a LEO! Born Aug 20!
There is no evidence that Natalee is gone, there is nothing to say that she is dead.
Rick, you are correct. Aruba must get an answer very quickly now, or their tourism will dry up as they can never imagine. We are very children-centric in this country.
If the PM didn’t have answers, then the Chief of Police should have been the one doing the talking tonight.
Roy.. at this point, the possibilities seem to be endless.
Interesting you didn’t know that one Deputy, hmm
“Interesting you didn’t know that one Deputy, hmm”
I thought the very same thing
RB…. Only us CIA types know that.
Tell ‘em Barney. They just got to nip it! Nip it! Nip it!
RB – Are you in the media? IIRC, you too were in TX? We should chat at some point…
After seeing the PM yesterday and reading his words today, and after the conflicting statements from Dompig (sp?) and the head of Law Enforcement there, I expect they’re going to be internationally humiliated by the media now. And unfortunately, it seems it will be deserved.
Yes, that huge flush you heard was tens of millions of dollars of island tourist revenue vanishing…
Taking the three – separating them, administering lie detector tests when they were first detained – would likely have solved this, one would think…
Didn’t think of it in that context. I thought, LEO, LEO the lion. COuldn’t figure why you were calling me that.
Deputy
Interesting you didn’t know that one Deputy, hmm
He’s drunk and not very bright. LEO at it’s finest.
Cat..shhhhhh…don’t give away our secrets!
I am going to move this comment post over in the typical 5 minutes
hey kip… so i take it there is no new info….
Cat, send Kipster the “Great Minds” memo….apparently he/she is CIA too.
Up against the wall Deputy, hands behind your back, interlace your fingers. You’re under arrest for impersonating a law enforcement officer. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT!!!
Rick, with all due respect, I believe that you are overestimating the attention span of the US mainstream, and at the same time underestimating their common sense.
Ten thousand Americans go missing abroad every month. It is true that this particular incident, for reasons best known to the involved parties, is the subject of a more intense than usual level of US involvement, but I think that you can be sure that this is not the focus of most Americans’ interest.
My perception is that it is seen as a tragic event, and while people sincerely feel for the family, there are many many young people who visit Aruba and other islands every day, and return home safely.
If you will visit the Aruba travel boards, you will see that the bulk of the discussion does indeed relate to people making plans to visit Aruba, and Natalee is not discussed. There was one that permitted the topic, but soon deleted all posts and closed the forum.
Now I will not speculate on internal Aruba politics, nor any domestic sequelae that may or may not occur as a result of the continued imprisonment of Mickey and Abraham, but I honestly do not think that a single criminal incident will frighten the thousands of singles, couples, and families who choose Aruba as a vacation destination.
If anything, some school groups may send their high school seniors to Curacao next year instead, but that will be about it.
I will remind you again that the Jackson jury begins its second full week of deliberations tomorrow, and as soon as that story concludes, I think you will find that Washington will provide Geraldo and ilk with all the news they can eat, at least for a few weeks.
Roger that, RB!
The things people do when they think they are above the law. Commit a crime, blame it on the usual suspects and then lie thru their teeth. I guess they didn’t factor in the family, media and FBI descending on the island and shaking up their colonial ways. Natalee’s mother is one strong lady.
wow lots of typing….
CALLING ARUBA ~~
QUESTIONS:
(5a) Is there a lagoon or wetland INLAND of Hadicurari?
(5B) Has it been searched? Along shores? With boats?
“RB – Are you in the media? IIRC, you too were in TX? We should chat at some point…”
Not TX, I work in the Nation’s capital.
Aruba Girl I really think you should be ashamed in those comments to your own PM…even if you didnt vote for him he is your sountrys rep and hes doing a damn fine job…becuase its because of him FBI got their and also because of him were getting more newsd because none of those polive men were giving any informatiuon at all and apparently the Van Straten guy is very good freinds w/ V/D Sloot …V/D/ Sloot was his boss before he went to study for Judge…and it was the PM that removed that caren jansen and putthat vivian because he wasnt too convinced with those two dutch in charge because they hadnt jailed the 3 young men and its thanks too him for coming home earlier that supposed to from his triop to the US and he bu Vivian in charge that these 3 boys are even incarcerated because if he hadnt done that and staye din the US these boys might still be free if it were up to those other 2
CALLING ARUBA ~~
QUESTIONS:
(5a) Is there a lagoon or wetland INLAND of Hadicurari?
(5B) Has it been searched? Along shores? With boats?
[ Apparently the lagoon or wetland is on the road to/from ARASHI BEACH.. ]
cautivo…. Good points. I asked my daughter on the phone today if she had been watching the case in Aruba. She said, what case??
“Natalee is not discussed. There was one that permitted the topic, but soon deleted all posts and closed the forum.”
Then that thread just got closed today, as it was there last night.
Catriana…
“Roy.. at this point, the possibilities seem to be endless.”
You’re not wrong with the little information that is available.
But hypothetically, let’s say the Dutch boy and his two friends gave her some drugs, he/they had sex with her, she overdoses b/c of too much alcohol mixed with drugs, they panic and decide to get rid of the body. Would these three be clever enough in their state of mind to get rid of the body without leaving a shred of evidence? I think there maybe other conspirators, older more methodical. Was the father of the Dutch boy in Aruba at the time that Natalee went missing? To get rid of the body in the ocean, wouldn’t they need a boat?
im totally shocked…. a 17 yr old.. runs loops around the fbi…. who could have seen this coming….this is the same bunch of agents that are protecting us from terrorist… now im worried….not too sound cynical…. hahahahahahahahaa!!!!!!!!!
“ArubaGirl”..Thank you for translating and filling us all on on reports from the island.
“Deputy Make Believe” ….why are you so concerned with the chaperones names??? Do you want to write them a letter and tell them what a good “commie” daddy you are. Or tell them that your kids have probably been locked in a closet their whole life listening to your self righteosness and bragging.
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