Aruba – Natalee Comment Post 7

 

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    772 Responses to “Aruba – Natalee Comment Post 7”

    1. Tom on June 12th, 2005 4:50 pm

      Previous Comments can be found here:

      http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1120

    2. Kat on June 12th, 2005 4:53 pm

      I just wanted to be at the top of the thread.

    3. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 4:53 pm

      Congratulations, Kat! :) Does anyone have any new information?

    4. Kat on June 12th, 2005 4:54 pm

      Thanks! (Nothing new…but I can’t find any confirmation that CNN reported the blood not to be human)

    5. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 4:55 pm

      It was reported on CBS

    6. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 4:55 pm

      Fox News online still says “human blood” but not identified who’s blood

    7. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 4:55 pm

      girl-
      like chingy??
      Is it totally shut down, the news there?l

    8. John on June 12th, 2005 4:55 pm

      Windyisle…………”Rape” of a prostitute is still Rape…………and, I daresay that no one here believes that Natalee Holloway was anything even remotely close to that !
      Let’s stop blaming the victim……………Deviant behavior is still deviant behavior !
      Jack the Ripper murdered prostitutes………..He was still a murderer.

    9. Tom on June 12th, 2005 4:56 pm

      Just got back, anything I should know about…

      Also moving the comments should speed things up, and help out on the bandwidth.

      If you want to help with the bandwidth cost we are absorbing, please click an ad at the bottom of the page! Thanks Tom

    10. Kat on June 12th, 2005 4:56 pm

      I’ll only believe it if it comes straight from Dan Rather. He’s never wrong.

      ;-)

    11. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 4:56 pm

      Did anyone else here that the 3 guys left Aruba for 2 days after the first interrogation.

    12. natalee on June 12th, 2005 4:56 pm

      they just said it wasnt blood

    13. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 4:56 pm

      Fox news is now reporting that blood taken from the car was not blood, that it could have been saliva, but that it was NOT blood.

      What next?

    14. Whodeenie on June 12th, 2005 4:57 pm

      FOX, News Alert. Substance found in car, not blood.

    15. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 4:57 pm

      It is definitley not blood. Could be saliva but it is not an issue because the boys admitted she was in the car. FOXNEWS

    16. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 4:58 pm

      Quote from an attorney of one of the guards…

      “This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation,”

    17. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 4:58 pm

      Dan, please also close down 1119 thread. I think it’s still open.

      How do we report posters that should be blocked?

    18. Robert J. on June 12th, 2005 4:58 pm

      CancunMole Says:

      June 12th, 2005 at 4:49 pm
      I too read that the outside camera at the HI was broken.

      When leaving C&C, one would have to turn right, drive along the main drag over the bridge to the cinemas then turn left to drive to the hotels and lighthouse.

      THANKS CanculMole!

      4(a) What are the street names?

      4(b) IF NOT GOING TO THE BEACH, but instead going to Joran’s house.. what other streets would be taken?

      4(c) IF NOT GOING TO THE BEACH, but instead going to Siranamese brother’s house.. what other streets would be taken?

      4(d) If we walk all these routes.. are there security surveillance camera(s) anywhere maybe that would have recorded “the silver car” ?? (If don’t know — maybe somebody outta get down there.. walk the route(s) and ask anyone with security surveillance cameras along the way..)

    19. Tom on June 12th, 2005 4:58 pm

      Love you Kat ,you read my mind on Dan Rather.

      We stopped putting things up because it is so hard to determine what is speculation and what is truth.

      We are waiting it out, but some of the best information is in these comments.

      T

    20. DT on June 12th, 2005 4:58 pm

      HOw do you confuse blood and saliva. Also if it was saliva found was it still in the trunk or was that wrong as well.

    21. Kat on June 12th, 2005 4:58 pm

      Jesus, this whole thing is a freak show…

    22. serenity2000 on June 12th, 2005 4:59 pm

      # Whodeenie Says:
      June 12th, 2005 at 4:57 pm

      FOX, News Alert. Substance found in car, not blood.

      Thanks for confirming what I posted/heard Whodeenie. I couldn’t find anything online.

    23. Jerry on June 12th, 2005 4:59 pm

      Also Attorneys for the suspects are asking for release , say there is no reason to hold them. This will be nothing more than a missing persons case.

    24. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 4:59 pm

      At this point, my instincts say this will all be “whitewashed” so that Aruba can keep it’s clean, crime free, tourist friendly reputation!

      Truly Sad.

    25. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 4:59 pm

      KerinTX, as long as they have five suspects in custody, and they have the FBI there, the real investigation is probably progressing extremely well.

    26. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 4:59 pm

      Why else would they kill her unless they raped her? If she had willingly had sex with the 3 of them there was no rape and it would have taken longer than the 55 minutes the boys say was the timeframe between driving away with her after 1 AM and arriving at her hotel at 2AM.

    27. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 4:59 pm

      I am on Joren’s brothers personal site. Some wierd comments. I think this is a case of teenage fun gone wrong. But you would think they would admit that.

    28. Tom on June 12th, 2005 5:00 pm

      Dallas,

      Send me an email

      tom@scaredmonkeys.com

      let me know the name and the time of the post and I will review and make a determination…

      ugh, I sounded so formal there…

    29. Jerry on June 12th, 2005 5:01 pm

      It sure would be a something if the same thing happened to Dutchboy when he gets out? Vanished

    30. Tila_Bean on June 12th, 2005 5:01 pm

      I agree Kat, it is a freak show. To confuse blood from saliva is , I don’t even have the words. Mind you a whole day has passed.

    31. Whodeenie on June 12th, 2005 5:02 pm

      Pasting from AP breaking News site:

      Lawyers for two former hotel security guards detained in the case said they would file motions Monday for the immediate release of their clients.

      http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBOEQQNV9E.html

      “This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation,” said Noraina Pietersz, who is representing Antonius “Mickey” John, 30. “The prosecution is pretending it has information that we don’t have.” John and Abraham Jones, 28, have been detained since June 5 and have denied any connection to Holloway.

      Attorney General Caren Janssen said Sunday that “there is reasonable suspicion, so it’s not time to let them go. We are still in the middle of an investigation.”

      Appears that the security guard is tired of the “game,” allegedly being played.

    32. mordred on June 12th, 2005 5:02 pm

      Catriana- (response from previous thread)
      Even though I respect your opinion & think they are coming from a good place – you should realise that they are being unproductive.

      Making “poor choices” is HUMAN, causing harm to another by taking advantage of those choices is CRIMINAL! I participate in a program called “Red Nose” where we drive people from clubs when they are too drunk to drive – they are putting their lives in my hands at that time , a “poor choice’” you could say – but it is that trust that represents the best in the human spirit! If we lose that, believe me you won’t be safe even if you never leave your house!

    33. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 5:02 pm

      I am back. Tom & Red tried to shut me down claiming I was in their house.

      I say to these two, the value of your blog is in its diversity. Shutting down people with views contrary to your own is insane.

      I still think the parents own lots of the responsibility for the sitauation their daughter now finds herself in.

      Deputy

    34. localyokal on June 12th, 2005 5:02 pm

      what is the website of the brother? How can I find it? Thanks.

    35. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 5:03 pm

      No…..when leaving CnC’s you can turn right or left. If they turn left it’goes directly in the direction of all the hotels.

    36. Kat on June 12th, 2005 5:03 pm

      How much influence in the investigation does the FBI actually have? From the way this is being run, I’d say not much.

    37. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:04 pm

      Dallas, I may agree with that IF I knew what involevement the FBI has in this case. All I have read is that they are responsible for the blood analysis (which now may just be kool aid stains). I would like to think their top interrogators are there and questioning the suspects non-stop until they break.

    38. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:04 pm

      From FoxNewsDotCom

      Holloway’s mother and stepfather told The Birmingham News in Alabama that they discovered the Dutch boy’s connection to their daughter within 24 hours of her disappearance by talking to other students on the trip. They then found surveillance videotapes showing him playing poker with other Mountain Brook teens in their hotel casino two days before she vanished.

      A lawyer for one of the Surinamese — Satish Kalpoe, 18, whose brother, Deepak, 21, also is in custody — said they told police they took Holloway to Arashi Beach, on the northern part of the island, in the early hours of May 30.

      According to their police statement, they did not get out of the car, defense lawyer David Kock said. Instead, Holloway and the Dutch teen, an honors student at the Aruba International School whom she had met at the casino in her hotel, “were in the back seat kissing.”

      They also told police that they dropped Holloway at her Holiday Inn at about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said.

      The brothers told police the young woman was drunk and refused to get out of the car, said Noraina Pietersz, who is representing Antonius “Mickey” John, 30, one of the two former security guards. He and Abraham Jones, 28, have been detained since Sunday and have denied any connection to Holloway.

      The three young men said Holloway stumbled in the parking lot of the hotel but refused help from her Dutch escort, Kock said.

      Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway’s return. A Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift that day said he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard’s statement to police.

      Aruba has an independent local government; the Netherlands is responsible for its defense and foreign affairs.
      ————————————————————————————-

      The parents put the police on Van der Sloot’s path so where is his connection to the two guards? Will the locals in here please explain staments attributed to Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig in one breath being retracted in the next?

    39. Larry on June 12th, 2005 5:04 pm

      To Scared Black Guy: Why is it that us dumb jerks on the blogging sites can ask such intelligent questions, and the reporters on the beat can’t? Why can’t they ask about security cameras in the parking lot, and why can’t they even ask if Van der Sloot and his two companions are being totally cooperative, or whether they are stone-walling? Simple questions, don’t you think. And why can’t anyone track down that story about “something bad” happening to Natalee? Was it a hoax? If so, where did it come from?

    40. mordred on June 12th, 2005 5:04 pm

      Oh..god , deputy is back!! – time to don the kevlar peeps!!

    41. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:04 pm

      Can I post the link here?

    42. owen2u on June 12th, 2005 5:05 pm

      has anyone considered the possibilty that she was kidnapped and they are stalling until they can whisk her back on the island?

    43. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 5:05 pm

      After the parents poor decision, I put a lot of the blame on the useless chaperons. These chaperons obviously were not skilled in their role.

      I like to look each one eye ball to eye ball and ask “What were you thinking?”

      Deputy

    44. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 5:05 pm

      After the parents poor decision, I put a lot of the blame on the useless chaperons. These chaperons obviously were not skilled in their role.

      I would like to look each one eye ball to eye ball and ask “What were you thinking?”

      Deputy

    45. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 5:05 pm

      whodeenie-quick thought-
      if they are lets go they will be talking to the press about their ordeal thus far and really make the officials look bad….gotta go. Maybe if geraldo leaves/within100 days/

    46. Kat on June 12th, 2005 5:06 pm

      I’ll bet if we put panties on their heads, they’d fold like a deck of cards.

    47. owen2u on June 12th, 2005 5:06 pm

      maybe go in one of those caves and say well surprise there she is we found her now everyone go home ..free drinks for everyone!!!

    48. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:06 pm

      Kat, now that we have 19 or more FBI there (9 more arrived Saturday at 3), I think the FBI definitely does have influence on the direction of the case.

      I believe it was posted that they brought along dogs too.

      Since Aruba isn’t equipped for the investigation, I believe they will let the FBI get going on this. That’s probably why the mom begged for FBI involvement. Imagine not even having a DNA test lab. That puts them several years behind the state of criminal-investigation technology.

    49. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:07 pm
    50. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 5:07 pm

      Natalee’s step-father said on Fox that he spoke to van der Sloot but found him to be a liar. Good enough for me.
      How far away from the club is the van der Sloot residence?

    51. To: Mordred on June 12th, 2005 5:07 pm

      What do you have against me?

      Deputy

    52. mordred on June 12th, 2005 5:07 pm

      Larry- The explanation to the “something bad happened” quote is really quite simple-

      Suspect1: We dropped her off at around 2am.
      Police: Well if that is true the cameras don’t lie, and she is nowhere to be found…how do you explain that.
      Suspect1: Well I guess something bad must have happened to her.
      AP news: Sir, did the suspect offer any explanation of Natalee’s where abouts?
      Police: No, he said he believed something bad must have happened.
      News: Teen confesses to police, saying something bad happened.

    53. owen2u on June 12th, 2005 5:08 pm

      am I too far out there in that conclusion? I’m from Alabama and have been ponderinbg that idea..that maybe she was kidnapped and whisked away and they are just stalling until they can get her back and “discover” her…..

    54. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 5:09 pm

      smell cover up??

    55. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:09 pm

      owen2u, that is my theory also. I think that is why the 4th guy got arrested yesterday morning.

    56. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 5:10 pm

      seems this is turning into a politically driven investigation..i doubt FBI is allowed any free reign in investigation unless local officials have permitted or guided it to their liking…..let alone running the investigation….has anyone heard otherwise…?

    57. owen2u on June 12th, 2005 5:10 pm

      I think they were gonna hang it on the 2 security guards the the US Media got involved..the way its been reported here Arubian Authorities tinitally turned down offer of help from FBI…is that true?

    58. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 5:11 pm

      maybe too many officials helped a buddy to get a promo/did a favor/etc…

    59. mordred on June 12th, 2005 5:11 pm

      Deputy – Nothing – except your ‘blame the parents’ – shoot-from-the-hip – attitude! Still, I respect your right to express yourself!

    60. Whodeenie on June 12th, 2005 5:12 pm

      FO Mickey John–I was just hoping the graduates could shed addiyional information to help find Natalie, whether they tell the press, the FBI, here….wherever. If the local officials, “look bad,” sorry.

    61. owen2u on June 12th, 2005 5:12 pm

      THis website and you bloggers are the only true info I get on this here in Alabama….

    62. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:12 pm

      Who says its not blood? FoxNewsDotCom
      ————————————————————————————–
      Aruban Authorities Investigate Blood in Car
      Sunday, June 12, 2005

      ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Authorities investigating the disappearance of Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway were seeking clues on the source of blood found in the car used to transport the missing teen to the beach nearly two weeks ago, Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes (search) said.

    63. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 5:12 pm

      Not true Owen….help was always welcomed…

    64. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:12 pm

      Missy…that site is scary and strikes close to home for me. In the US one of the big sites of that nature is myspace.com. Without going into too many details, right now in my area there is a 21 yr old man who raped at least 4 young girls and his “method” was to first meet them through his personal page. The police are going to finally be able to have a good case against him since he was stupid enough to post personal info in his page about his sexual activity and post pictures to back it up.

    65. owen2u on June 12th, 2005 5:14 pm

      It was intersting to me that your prime minister practically guaranteed it would be solved in 24 hours on Geraldo last night..made me wonder if they’d found her and were moving here back onto the Island..thats why I have started thinkin this way recently

    66. mordred on June 12th, 2005 5:14 pm

      The 2 security guys commited a crime long time ago – they were born BLACK!!

      Sorry for pulling a ‘Mark Furman’ but y’all know its true!!

    67. DT on June 12th, 2005 5:15 pm

      SBG Fox News broadcast an alert saying it was not blood.

    68. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 5:15 pm

      Interesting that the van der Sloot brother says his profession is a pimp.
      Maybe he was the 6th person arrested.

    69. To: Mordred on June 12th, 2005 5:15 pm

      Thanks. I respect that we have different views.

      Deputy

    70. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:15 pm

      I found the site leaving me a uncomfortable.

    71. DT on June 12th, 2005 5:16 pm

      Any word yet if the substance was found in trunk like previous reports stated?

    72. owen2u on June 12th, 2005 5:16 pm

      thats why I come here Native there is alot of misinformation coming from the US Media

    73. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:17 pm

      Professional Pimp…bet that gets you a lot of interviews when put on a resume.

    74. Tila_Bean on June 12th, 2005 5:17 pm

      Mordred, what crime did the two security guards commit?

    75. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:17 pm

      Don’t know Lar, maybe we do it for accuracy and knowledge and they do it to sell commercial ad space.

    76. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:18 pm

      Native, are you listening to Top, and if so, what are they playing? I’m not positive I have it on the right station.

    77. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 5:18 pm

      ok so now a tickle site is uncomfortable?!?! plssssss

    78. owen2u on June 12th, 2005 5:18 pm

      whats the link to his site missyrose can you post it ?

    79. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 5:18 pm

      For the record:

      (1) I blame the parents for their decision to let their 18 year old daughter go on a booze cruise.
      (2) I blame those chaperons who obviously had their heads up their hind end.
      (3) I blame Natalle; she should know what reckless behavior is.
      (4) I am saddened that a minority child would not get this level of attention if they were involved in a similiar situation.

      Deputy

    80. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:19 pm

      Did anyone else on the site see the comment from his friend … saying remember the marriott, that was crazy… strange esepcially since the kid was 15 at the time of the posting.

    81. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 5:19 pm

      For the record:

      (1) I blame the parents for their decision to let their 18 year old daughter go on a booze cruise.
      (2) I blame those chaperons who obviously had their heads up their hind end.
      (3) I blame Natalle; she should know what reckless behavior is.
      (4) I am saddened that a minority child would not get this level of attention if they were involved in a similiar situation.

      Deputy

    82. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:19 pm

      The authorities have said that the case is at a “crucial juncture”.

      The key to solving it is to get the truth out of the three guys, and be able to act on it without Geraldo chasing the police down the street.

    83. golden on June 12th, 2005 5:19 pm

      Arubagirl and Cathy, what would you say is the basic sentiment of Arubans now toward this whole case? I’ve been listening to your radio station and they seem to have alot of contempt for the American media (understandable).

      The presence of so much of the Holloway and Twitty families may be making for more sensationalism. Her biological dad may be getting more information from the investigators than her mom and stepdad. Mrs. Twitty seems like she is on the verge of a breakdown. I don’t think staying in Aruba is going to help her or the investigation at this point.

    84. Larry on June 12th, 2005 5:19 pm

      To Scared Black Guy: I am a white college professor, living in Alabama. But we see eye to eye, right down the line. Good analyses, kiddo. You get an “A” on your term paper. Too bad you don’t have the microphone and the camera crew.

    85. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 5:20 pm

      Agirl….some robodop(Spelling??) song

    86. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:20 pm

      Well a 15 year old claiming to be a pimp is a little uncomfortable.

    87. Whodeenie on June 12th, 2005 5:21 pm

      “The police are going to finally be able to have a good case against him since he was stupid enough to post personal info in his page about his sexual activity and post pictures to back it up. ”

      Kerin, assuming they are Web Savvy enough to find the site etc etc. I’ve seen so much bumbling in this case, it makes me wonder.

    88. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:21 pm

      Did I read that right?? The brothers GF’s names is Natalie…

      Spooky.

    89. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 5:21 pm

      former (thanks to god) sheriffs deputy

      Please stop trying to instigate cyber assaults with new posters who don’t yet know what a total waste of type it is to even consider your respectfully included opinions here. Back Off.

    90. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:21 pm

      If you scroll up I already posted the link.

    91. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 5:21 pm

      Mordred… If one’s comments open the eyes of just one individual, than they are not unproductive.

      Thank you for your kindness and your instincts are right on.

    92. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 5:22 pm

      The 2 black security guards are being held because the 3 young gentlemen who drove Natalee back to hotel said that a black man in a “hotel uniform carrying a radio” was with her at the door of the hotel.
      That was after van der Sloot walked her to the door-some black guy appeared and then the Natalee and the black guy vanished according to the security cameras. Doesn’t make sense of course. Don’t believe a word of the stories from the 3 amigos.

    93. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:22 pm

      Golden, right now everyone wants this to be solved, 1) to know what happened 2) the journalists go home. At least this is the feedback from the people in my fam. and friends.

      Thanks, native. got it on the right channel .

    94. To: Friend of Mickey John on June 12th, 2005 5:22 pm

      Who the heck are you? What rock did you crawl out from under?

      You got a beef — tell me about it.

      Deputy

    95. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:23 pm

      THEORY
      1) Rohypnol may have been used on this girl (illegal in US, but easily attaninable and used in a bannana republic like Aruba).
      2) One, if not all 3, raped the girl.
      3) She was certainly, never dropped off at her hotel.
      4) Where’s the NAACP and Jesse Jackson for the security gaurds? Talk about racism at its ugliest.
      5) Aruba is a VERY small island, with most of it being arid and desert like. A body would have easily been found by now, unless:
      a) It’s not on the island
      b) It was tossed in the ocean
      c) It is being held somewhere where it can’t be found (such as a place, house, etc. that is not subject to search – a place that is a safe haven of sorts for “influential parents” on the island)
      6) Having 10 or so days for everyone to collude on their story makes it near impossible for any interrogation to work.
      7) If any of the three ever step foot in the US, they’ll probably go missing too.
      8) Ultimately, Aruba won’t suffer as most American’s have extremely short memories and are addicted to white sandy beaches, clear water, and pina coladas – which all that Aruba has to offer the world.
      9) It underscores the biggest problem in the U.S. – the glamorization of alchohol and exploitation of women in the marketing of it. This encourges girls like Natalee to run off and get sloshed and act silly, and for sexual predators to take advantage of them. None of this would have happened if you remove alchohol from the equation. Not that you shouldn’t be able to drink, but drinking irresponsibly is far too encouraged and promoted.

    96. mordred on June 12th, 2005 5:23 pm

      Tila_Bean- That was sarcasm mixed with social comment stirred with ‘thats the society we live in’

    97. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:23 pm

      DT

      Will you or anyone Post a news site link that claims no blood in the Honda.

      thanks

    98. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:24 pm

      The fact is this… the last person that she was seen with, has a brother claiming to be a pimp. It could be innocent, but in this case it raises more flags than just boys being boys.

    99. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:24 pm

      Whodeenie…actually I was referring to a web posting of a rape suspect here in TX. But as far as police involevement in that case…no, they are not the best when it comes to online crimes.

    100. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:24 pm

      Catriana and Deputy are two of a kind – they were judgmental and callous toward two posters on the scaredmonkeys website who were actual kids that knew Natalee – one had gone on the trip, one had not.

      Catriana and Deputy, this is no place for you to impact the emotions of these distraught kids. Get a clue. It was disgusting how you had to be so right with these kids that can’t even stop crying. And they are not to blame. They did everything expected of them. You simply don’t know all the facts of this case.

    101. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 5:25 pm

      Former-I just did and now your on my ignore setting

    102. Jerry on June 12th, 2005 5:26 pm

      My thoughts exactly Bruno

    103. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 5:26 pm

      WE Arubans are sick and tired of this……
      Like Arubagirl stated, we want all the media clowns to LEAVE.
      We want the case SOLVED, and we want our lives BACK TO NORMAL……

    104. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:26 pm

      Native, do you know if the PM is going to speak in Engl or in Papiamento?

    105. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:26 pm

      Missy, actually Joran’s web blog (before it was taken down) had his profession as pimp too. Must be a family thing.

    106. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 5:27 pm

      Banana Republic Bruno???/ Are you for REAL?????

    107. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 5:28 pm

      A-girl. Papiamento (he doesn’t speak English) :)
      (and only prensa local)

    108. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:28 pm

      I am sure their parents are so proud.

    109. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 5:28 pm

      Former LEO,
      The mods should have kept you out. The “diversity” of your shallow opinion has been expressed over and over and over and over. You’re just pasting the same dribble to antagonize. Get back to your porno.

    110. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 5:29 pm

      kipster, hi.

    111. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 5:29 pm

      Dallas,

      Where are you coming from? I am trying to pry open the naive eyes of adults who send their kids of booze cruises and those of kids who drink irresponsibly.

      If I help save one person from making the same mistake — it is a job well done.

      Don’t you agree?

      Deputy

    112. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:30 pm

      Dutch or no dutch…they’re all bananna republics, let’s face it. Not that the U.S. is perfect, but do you think three PRIME supsects would have been let go? Do you think people could be held for 100+ days without ever being accussed of a crime in the US? Yes, bananna republics with kangaroo courts.

    113. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 5:30 pm

      its unfortunate ..seems the real aruban people have different ideas than their high ranking govt officials have…they shouldnt be frustrated with the US or the media..they should be frustrated with their own people in power

    114. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:31 pm

      Deputy,

      When I was 18 my parents allowed me to go on a “booze cruise”. I sailed the western pacific and got drunker than drunk many times and I was a United States Sailor.

      18 is old enough to fight and die, 18 is old enough to let off some steam. I hope you don’t have girls because no matter the image they project to pacify your needs thaey will surely “let their hair down” and run as far away from you as possible when they get the chance. And not to provoke you but a lot of times these sheltered girls are the least protected because they have no clue except your “right and wrong”.

    115. Psychic Former Deputy on June 12th, 2005 5:31 pm

      Deputy,

      Broken record, broken record, broken record

    116. Jerry on June 12th, 2005 5:31 pm

      Everyone is walking and poor Natalie will still be dead. What a shame

    117. Larry on June 12th, 2005 5:31 pm

      There is a BIG story here, folks. And it’s a story of a cover-up. And I know that the people of Aruba don’t want to hear that, but maybe it’ll all work out for their own good. Maybe it took a rich, white American girl to point up the corruption, racism, cronyism, favoritism and incompetence in the Aruba police force. But that’s what we have to work with. Sorry about that. And the fact that the only intelligent questions are those that have been raised at this blog site only underscore that fact. No doubt, the FBI will see to it that this case is cracked. But, without them, what would we have had. Two black security guards framed as scapegoats? 3 prime suspects turned footloose for 10 full days? Disinformation, misinformation, stonewalling, and foot-dragging? Yeah. That’s about it.

    118. renita on June 12th, 2005 5:32 pm

      I hope this is not the case but the 3 boys may have been too drunk/ high/ wasted to truely remember what really happened.

    119. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:32 pm

      Banana republic? Don’t even grow those here… :)

    120. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 5:32 pm

      Bruno….
      As far as the WORLD was concerned SCOTT PETERSON was “THE” (only) prime suspect from DAY ONE> Yet……how long before they finally arrested him?

      I’m not even going to discuss the Banana Republic issue…..wiuld be like arguing with a MULE…you ignorant FOOL

    121. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 5:32 pm

      Nobody knows if Natalee’s dead, Jerry..

      Did the blood results get back? I haven’t read/seen any news today.

    122. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 5:33 pm

      arent they the representatives of the people afterall?
      the reason the media is there is obvious..but teh lack of progression and the semming incompetence in the investigations earlier most cricial stages….have drawn even more media attention based on the publics quest for knowledge and answers….its totally understandable and nothing to be mad at, thats for sure

    123. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 5:33 pm

      Hello, Friend. :)

    124. Cathy on June 12th, 2005 5:33 pm

      Dont believe any of the garbage released by any media sources.

      the reliable sources are only the police conferences.

      1.) Natalee missing
      2.) Left with Joran, Satish, Deepak in silver honda.
      3.) They were witnesses, came forward on their own.
      4.) Were let free to allow police gather more info about them, a strategic measure
      Arrested and personal possesions confiscated
      5.) The guards have some relation, stolen items of the students on the trip with holloway.
      6.) Parents believe she is alive, Body NOT found. investigation continues.

      Basically, the public has not been informed at all about crucial details. The local media has generated rumors guesses around it. Be advised to be swift about hearing and slow about speaking, there is very little fact and truth in teh news released by teh media.

      I dont recall people being this interested to know all teh details when MJ was accused and when his trial began, things just sort of slowly began to seep out as witnesses were brought out and evidence material was laid bare.

      Why should any case be different? Investgation is best kept on a low profile. here it’s up to each individual to use his/her common sense as to why they are doing this.

    125. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 5:33 pm

      Dallas… You are wrong about my posts. My posts are an accurate view of my opinion. Nothing more nothing less. I am not responsible for what others feel or think, they are. I am only responsible for myself and my actions.

      If someone can’t stand the heat of the kitchen, they shouldn’t be in there cooking!

      My posts are not written with the intent to hurt anyone. What I post is placed there to, hopefully, open peoples eyes. I’ve learned a long time ago, that one cannot open the eyes of someone who is blinded by their own prejudices. That’s life.

      If teens are going to come to a weblog and post comments, they better have the strength to read things they don’t like. It would be nice if some people (who shall remain nameless, because I don’t believe in attacking individuals), could stop attacking others. There have been several posters, on previous threads, that do nothing but call names and attack (my observation, you don’t have to agree with that, but it is what I’ve witnessed).

      You don’t like what I have to say? Or the way I say it? Fine. You have every right to post what you think or feel. That’s the whole point of weblogs, comment areas, etc. VERSATILITY.

      If we all thought and said the same thing, how boring would that be? :) Oh, and if someone is crying over a post on an internet site, they should ask themselves why they take a strangers comments so personally.

    126. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:34 pm

      Don’t grow much of anything. Most everything is imported…including the economy (tourism) :-)

    127. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:34 pm

      Larry, are you from the U.S.?

    128. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:34 pm

      Deputy,
      You may be entitled to your opinion but I would say it’s the way you going about expressing it. I have been reading your postings since yesterday and whereas I might agree with some of the (in my opinion) negligence of the chaperones, I don’t think that pointing that out in each and every one of your posts is helping. We really have NO idea what they signed-on or agreed to do for the teens on this trip. Again, maybe if you just post your feelings about “unsupervised” trips (which this kinda was) and then leave it at that, then fine. Pointing out what parents should or should not do in raising their kids or what rules they should be given is a matter of your opinion. Beating a dead horse is not helping. :-)

    129. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 5:34 pm

      So women who drink with their classmates and chaperones and wear clothes suitable for a tropical climate are whores. Does that entitle 3 young men to violate her, kill her, hide the body, lie to the parents, lie to the police, obstruct a police investigation, cause 2 innocent men to be detained and bring shame to their country?

    130. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:35 pm

      I can smell what the Larry is cookin’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    131. Jerry on June 12th, 2005 5:35 pm

      wrong on number 3

    132. mordred on June 12th, 2005 5:35 pm

      ScaredBlackGuy-
      ABC reported on air that early tests indicate the blood found in the Honda suggest that it is unrelated to the case.

      http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/natalee_hollowa_24.html

    133. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:35 pm

      Deputy, I don’t agree. You are turning this into your soapbox and not sticking with the facts. Several of them asked Natalee if she was ok and if she really wanted to go with Dutchboy. She said yes. She smiled. She waved. They were careful to all get up to leave the bar together, chaperones were there, and then they were careful to look around to see that no one was left behind. Natalee was walking out with the rest of them. Cars were waiting for them. Some saw her walking ahead of them and just assumed she would move into one of the waiting cars.

      My sense is that you’re using this format to preach at Generation Y and at upper-middle-class families. Guess what? These were some of the best kids of Generation Y. Natalee got slipped a date-rape drug, the facts all point to it, and she was being compliant and docile and the other kids and the chaperones didn’t suspect that she had been drugged.

      By the way, all week, Aruba people were offering to sell them drugs. That is a cause you could support. That needs to be cleaned up. Not the behavior of these kids and chaperones.

    134. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 5:35 pm

      dEPUTY: BLAMING EVERYONE IS NOT GOING TO BRING nATALEE HOME, plEASE STOP, i AM SURE THAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH ENOUGH PAIN RIGHT NOW WITHOUT YOUR IGNORANT COMMENTS

    135. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 5:35 pm

      larry- be nice and I’ll tell you what Mickey says when he gets out-the day the press leaves or the body is found without tracable evidence. I think too many people have their hands gotten dirty for “one” to start to come clean.

      Not that the US sets agood example.

      US is just used to cover ups and media frenzy

    136. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:36 pm

      Peterson…what does he have to do with the price of pina colodas in Aruba?

    137. To: Catriana on June 12th, 2005 5:37 pm

      Catriana, I agree with you 100+%.

      Many of these folks only want to hear their own positions recycled back to them.

      Your are so correct!

      Deputy

    138. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 5:37 pm

      IS THERE ANY NEW NEWS, OTHER THAN THE BLOOD WAS NOT ACTUALLY BLOOD?

    139. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 5:38 pm

      What, the blood wasn’t blood?

    140. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 5:38 pm

      i read something on the trip advisor site about some guards stealing some things from students and asking to search their rooms or something….

    141. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:39 pm

      What was she wearing the night she went missing? Not that it gives them the right to violate her, I would just like to know.

    142. CancunMole on June 12th, 2005 5:39 pm

      It was stated Friday night by someone on Island that while you used to be able to turn right or left (which I thought), right now, you can only turn RIGHT.

    143. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 5:39 pm

      ACCORDING TO FOX NEWS IT WAS NOT BLOOD

    144. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:39 pm

      No, it was something else apparently. Semen? who knows. Surprised there’s anything when you get 10 days to clean the car.

    145. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 5:39 pm

      astrid-
      and the officials dont know nuthin official….that’s odd

    146. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 5:39 pm

      Crys… Not that we have heard. There is no new news other than what you stated! :(

    147. Kuaitzu on June 12th, 2005 5:40 pm

      Just curious..I read on a post somewhere..so many I forget..that Joran told his Mom”don’t be upset..I am innocent.” Then she (Mom)said…he sat down and told us everthing that happened??? Well if he told Mom everything that happened..then why aren’t we interrogating MOM!!! I’ll try to find the info. that I read.

    148. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 5:40 pm

      no kidding bruno!…i think the big question was..why if this country has so much holding power of suspects….that this power was not utilized initially before so much time elapsed….

    149. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 5:41 pm

      Thanks Crys, bruno, and friend.. so they didn’t identify the substance?

    150. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:41 pm

      Not interrogating Mom becasue of who Mom is in this Bananna Republic.

    151. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 5:41 pm

      SHE WAS WEARING A DENIM SKIRT AND THE BLUE AND GREEN SHIRT THAT SHE HAS ON IN THAT BEACH PIC, THE SHIRT WAS OT REVEALING AND THE SKIRT WAS PERFECTLY FINE, HARDLY AN OUTFIT OF A PROSTITUTE…SHE HAD BEEN AT THE BEACH! IT WAS HOT! WHY IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN A SKIMPY SWIMSUIT?!

    152. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 5:41 pm

      KerinTX,

      I see. You make a good point. I will give it a rest.

      Deputy

    153. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:41 pm

      Bruno, are you also from the U.S.?

    154. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:42 pm

      Mordred if you go here
      http://infospace.abcnews.com/_1_266FUPL04LDMHFC__info.abcnws/search/web/holloway%2Bblood

      You will find people are mixing facts from two stories. I feel sorry for Mr. Riel if he posted his information as factual.

    155. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 5:42 pm

      i guess they felt more at ease detaining two black suspects..rtaher than risking holding the last peopel who saw natalee….dont care what the aruba folks say…it wasnt right and it stinks of preferential treatment

    156. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 5:42 pm

      NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF…SOMEONE MENTIONED SALIVA BUT I DONT KNOW THAT TO BE FACT

    157. DT on June 12th, 2005 5:43 pm

      Fox is reporting this independently of anyone else sbg.

    158. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 5:43 pm

      they took a camera from mickeys house in a evidence bag…some stolen camera story/nothing official. but,
      I brought a sony digital to mickey from US in 12/04 and
      yes cancun-mole I did give info to localDA to give to FBI

    159. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:43 pm

      Bruno – they can find DNA on a body thousands of years old (look at the King Tut DNA testing that was done this year). For comparison purposes, they would have Natalee’s DNA from her hairbrush in her suitcase. There is plenty to gather and test, I’m sure.

    160. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:43 pm

      From the US and been to Aruba frequently. Nice place, but let’s face it – it is either corrupt police work or keystone cops….either way the result is the same.

    161. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 5:43 pm

      Oh, ok, thanks Crys.

    162. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:44 pm

      No I didn’t mean that the outfit had anything to do with it. Just wondering if she was wearing a skirt or pants.

    163. Cathy on June 12th, 2005 5:44 pm

      AG,… with banana republic they mean that the corrupt are in power… well wrong again.. the drug ppl and contraband are far from being those in power.. the corruption of those in power is simple greed.. they’re in it to amass money. But we have both the dutch marine and the american customs stationed here, would they even be allowed to be here if we were truely a banana republic? They are fully empowered to do what they are legally agreed to do here..
      Not all caribbean islands have the same problems as haiti, jamaica or even Venezuela.. we are under teh dutch system, and thus have democracy. There’s never been an attempt to comunism not and dictatorships.

    164. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:44 pm

      Deputy,
      But don’t stop posting…you are certainly as free to post as the rest of us!
      Kerin

    165. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:44 pm

      Island Folk,

      Please take no offense at Americans who use derogatory words to describe lifestyles they don’t understand, been a tradition around here since at least 1865.

    166. Whodeenie on June 12th, 2005 5:44 pm

      “There is a BIG story here, folks. And it’s a story of a cover-up.”

      Larry, you may ultimately be proven correct, but don’t you think it’s a bit premature to be delcaring this? Let alone being fair to Aruba.

    167. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 5:47 pm

      Missy Rose- Natalee was dressed similar to her classmates that night. The last picture taken of her was on the beach with her friends. Look for it. What difference does it make anyway?

      Joran told his Mom everything? Where were Mom and Dad (the Judge in training) that night and what about the “pimp” brother? If Joran lives with his folks what time did he get home that night? When did Joran drop off the 2 brothers and where? Considering it was Joran’s car he must have been the last person driving it that night. Where do the brothers live and where are their parents?

    168. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:47 pm

      Larry, Natalee’s family isn’t “rich”. They are upper-middle class, at best. The mom is a schoolteacher that helps special-needs kids.

      They just have made financial sacrifices to live in a good school district to give their kids a better chance at life.

    169. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:47 pm

      I am still in shock that no one that is being interrogated has confessed.

    170. DT on June 12th, 2005 5:48 pm

      We’re not so sure it was Joren’s car, I’ve heard people saying that it wasn’t.

    171. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:48 pm

      Larry, maybe it is less a story of a cover-up and more a story of a peaceful island unprepared for this type of story and the pack of wolves known as the US Press?

    172. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:48 pm

      Again DT I am not here to abuse you but there is no reference on FoxNews.com to support this “fact”, if it is please copy and paste part of the story and the link for independent verification.

    173. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:48 pm

      They haven’t confessed becasue they were told by mommy and daddy to hold out at all costs, they’ll protect them.

    174. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 5:49 pm

      YA KNOW, THOSE GUYS MAY NOT REMEMBER EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT…IT SEEMS LIKE A GIVEN THAT THEY WERE PRETTY DRUNK THEMSLEVES…

    175. Fun in Aruba on June 12th, 2005 5:49 pm

      There is something very seriously wrong with this investigation.
      These Arubains couldn’t care less what actually happened to Natalee.
      They do nothing but try and save face on this board.
      Well I’m sorry to say, when this is all and done with, The FBI and
      American authorities will be posting There own findings on this case and
      I really don’t think there going to be to happy……

    176. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 5:49 pm

      was Joran known to be cocky? because it seems to me he might have gotten his back up when being questioned initially and may have even went so far as to say..hey..do u know who my father is..be careful who u accuse…no one has addressed why these 3 were not immediately taken into custody ..god knows they have this very liberal holding privilege of suspects….why did they not see it fit to detain these boys then? this is a huge problem the Arubans and their officials will have to answer for at some point..there is no way around this…

    177. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 5:49 pm

      i still think those 2 blacks did it.

    178. CancunMole on June 12th, 2005 5:50 pm

      NativeLingo: You GO GIRL! And, I know you know that not all Americans’ feelings are represented by some of the rude comments being made here! Sorry.

    179. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 5:50 pm

      THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY BRUNO

    180. Jerry on June 12th, 2005 5:51 pm

      Aruba girl said You cant drive if your under 18 in Aruba he was 17 so it must have been the Surnam brothers since they had a car rental which makes me wonder if they got the right car.

    181. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:51 pm

      Ok sherbob here, I’ll bite. Please let us know what leads you to this conclusion?

    182. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:51 pm

      Scared…I have one TV on Fox news and one on CNN and another laptop on Fox News online and I don’t see a thing about the blood not being blood.

    183. DT on June 12th, 2005 5:51 pm

      Why does it have to be on the website? Myself, and several others have seen it reported on Fox NEws Channel clearly and plainly.

    184. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 5:51 pm

      DID ANYONE EVER HEAR ANYMORE ABOUT THE SECURITY GUARDS…AT ONE POINT THEY WERE GOING TO LET ONE GO BUT NOT THE OTHER, I WONDER WHAT GIVES…? THEY HAVE NEVER STETED WHAT EVIDENCE THEY ARE HOLDING THEM ON

    185. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:52 pm

      Not only were they not taken into custody. They left Aruba for 3 days after being questioned.

    186. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:52 pm

      My findings too KerinTX.

    187. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:52 pm

      Well bruno, the FBI would perform Lie Detector tests. They are more accurate than ever before.

    188. Jerry on June 12th, 2005 5:52 pm

      these three boys dont know how to treat a lady when your screwing whores on Aruba all the time.

    189. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:52 pm

      So Bruno, wow, I guess your ‘frequent’ visits to Aruba must have given you such a good overview of the Dutch criminal system, right? You must now be an authority on such matters, correct? You know of course that van der Straaten is blood brothers with ‘judge’ van der Sloot, the other cops are completely in love with everything Dutch, and the Queen herself has called the PM and said don’t you dare give that poor Joran any trouble.

      Bruno, the fact is, you don’t know ANYTHING more than what we, the public know in this case.

      The fact that nothing is being said by cops / prosecution isn’t a sign of cover-up or ineptness, just because that’s not how the U.S. does it. Oh, but I forgot, everything has to go according to the U.S., right? Because the U.S. will not EVER screw up. Because when there are WMD of mass distruction in a country, by God, they will go and find them. Oh…wait.

      Tell me, Bruno, Larry, cyber, and everyone spouting the corruption and cover-up theories. How does it work in the U.S.? Are there a random 10% selected of the children there to be given injections to be completely arrogant know-it-alls that ruin it for the rest of their countrymen? Or does it just come natural to some?

      That sort of flat-out arrogance, where you must know it better than others, because, well, no reason precisely, you just know.

      So, I guess in YOUR homestates, when a girl goes missing after being seen leaving a local bar with three guys, the FBI will mobilize in 48 hours, the national guards will be called up to search, the civil servants will be given the afternoon off to search, and the tourist department will issue a reward. The governor will give a direct line to the parents?

      Wow, I’m just amazed that you guys aren’t here right now, and solving the case in an instant. I know! You guys should be the new Police commisionaries here. Then the Aruba can enjoy your expertise and knowledge.

      God, why don’t you take your cover-up and corruption theories and stick them in Clinton’s and Nixon’s ass.

    190. DT on June 12th, 2005 5:53 pm

      Crys people have been saying the Guards might have stolen some electronics/cameras from some of the teens, but this is just speculation.

    191. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:53 pm

      missyrose, I hadn’t heard that the three guys left the island. can you tell us where you heard that, and maybe where they allegedly went for the three days?

    192. localyokal on June 12th, 2005 5:53 pm

      How do you know they left aruba? Is that linked anywhere? Thanks.

    193. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 5:54 pm

      ALSO, WHAT HAPPENED TO INVOLVING WHAT WAS IT, S. AMER.? THE OTHER COUNTRY …DID SOMEONE TIP THEMM OFF ON THAT WHAT ARE THEY DOING I WONDER

    194. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:54 pm

      Wow, I feel so much better.

    195. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:54 pm

      What about the possibilty they are still holding the black guys to give the Mommy and Daddy and the Aruban “officials” enough time to gather to trump up enough evidence to point towards them, a red-herring of sorts.

    196. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 5:54 pm

      I will find it.

    197. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 5:54 pm

      cause they do things like that to white girls here in the states all the time.

    198. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 5:54 pm

      Sherbob – You must be a member of the Arubian elite police force. You mean you wish that the 2 black men did it because putting 3 young men, from influential (rich) families on trial, might impact your personal finances and career advancement. Racism at its most obvious.

    199. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 5:54 pm

      DT,

      Follow the link I posted for Mordred and you can see why I might be skeptical of anything I can’t find on a news site or AP wire, people mix things up. Like I said I am not here to abuse anyone, I just want the facts, plain and simple.

    200. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 5:55 pm

      HEY CancunMole…..Don’t worry…..I’m thick-skinned….
      Don’t care much about the rude comments or responding to them…..would be UN-Aruban :)

    201. Booyakasha!!! on June 12th, 2005 5:55 pm

      The FBI agents have been spotted para-sailing and boogie boarding

    202. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 5:55 pm

      arubagirl …i understand your defensiveness but can i ask you if you honestly believe your police force should have let those 3 boys go initially..knowing that she was last seen with them and they admitted to having been with her? cut us all some slack here and give the US hate thing a rest…its very contradictory to your professions of concern

    203. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:56 pm

      OUch, native lingo. True, but still ouch :-)

    204. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:56 pm

      Wow, aruba girl, you told us.

    205. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 5:56 pm

      well said, arubagirl!

    206. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 5:56 pm

      THANKS ARUBAGIRL!!!!!!!!! twt tempo pa sera nan klep!

    207. CancunMole on June 12th, 2005 5:56 pm

      Good girl c.

    208. DT on June 12th, 2005 5:57 pm

      I’m skeptical too SBG, I’ve heard so many things retracted lately. I’m just saying what has been reported. That said it just doesnt make sense to me that they would find blood. The criminals had ample time to get rid of it, and surely they would.

    209. Psychic Former Deputy on June 12th, 2005 5:57 pm

      Fabulous post, Arubagirl!

      Oh, but it’s 20% of Americans who are injected.

    210. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 5:57 pm

      This is exactly why Americans are hated in most countries. We try to go to other countries and make everyone conform to our beliefs and ways. I do not confess to know anything about how Aruban LE does things but maybe, just maybe, what they have been doing is how THEY handle things. Then maybe “their way” was not getting results so they asked for help from the FBI. Does it make them an inept police force just because they don’t do things EXACTLY like American LE does?

    211. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:58 pm

      the US HATE THING? Oh wow. Tell, me, please, except for my above post, where I’ve not been nice, where I’ve tried to explain, where I’ve tried to clear things up. Please ,please, please.

      And, Leesa, you’ll notice that the thing that gets me going is the cover-up charges. I disagree with letting the guys go and with holding the 2 guards still hostage.

    212. bruno on June 12th, 2005 5:58 pm

      More American-bashing by a country that who’s economy would tank it American’s stopped going there. How ironic.

    213. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 5:58 pm

      Miss B, nan nunca ta bai sera na klep. NUNCA.

    214. Jerry on June 12th, 2005 5:59 pm

      So,If I get my Mother in Law drunk and drop her a the HI in Aruba do you think that would be a good place to get rid of her

    215. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 5:59 pm

      Who is Leesa?

    216. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 5:59 pm

      no, i am an american. it is a well known fact they do things like that.

    217. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 5:59 pm

      Native *DOING BACK_FLIPS* BRAVO Arubagirl…..BRAVO ;)

    218. Psychic Former Deputy Mustache on June 12th, 2005 5:59 pm

      sherbob, aren’t you late for a KKK meeting or something?

    219. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 5:59 pm

      “Are there a random 10% selected of the children there to be given injections to be completely arrogant know-it-alls that ruin it for the rest of their countrymen?”

      Actually, you have it backwards arubagirl. America’s about 90% idiots, sorry about that. The other 10% of us are really cool though.

    220. serenity2000 on June 12th, 2005 6:00 pm

      # DT Says:
      June 12th, 2005 at 5:51 pm

      Why does it have to be on the website? Myself, and several others have seen it reported on Fox NEws Channel clearly and plainly.

      **LOL** I’ve already heard it twice on CNN myself. People may just have to tune into CNN or Fox and hear it with their own ears (I can be that way myself sometimes). ;-)

    221. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 6:00 pm

      i think its common sense that the last 3 people to see Natalee werent detained but on their word…two others were….it has nothingt o do with being american…im not american…it has more to do with common sense

    222. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:00 pm

      well said bruno. seems to me they should be pretty nice to us right now

    223. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:01 pm

      Scared…Ok FOX News just said it is not blood in the car.

    224. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:01 pm

      well said bruno. seems to me they should be pretty nice to us right now

    225. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 6:01 pm

      aruba girl- Good job, I agree. The US is no role model….your island never has gone thru this global scrutinity…you won’t believe how fast they disappear once a body is found….then we’ll get blurbs on the bottom of cnn/msnbc and everyone remembers once and again until guilty are locked up…. / sorry…
      your island has always been an oasis to me .

    226. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 6:01 pm

      haha ma ripara!! well whatever peeps….i’m still going on vacation there..soon in 20 days! and i’m going to have a blast!

    227. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:01 pm

      well said bruno. seems to me they should be pretty nice to us right now

    228. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 6:01 pm

      Sherbob – A “well known fact”? Some African Americans are unfortunate enough to grow up in neighborhoods and environments that promote violence, but so are members of every other race. How can you accuse two innocents of a violent crime based solely on the premise of skin color?? That’s just ignorant.

    229. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 6:02 pm

      Fox and CNN have apparently made the decision that breaking news will be delivered only verbally, not posted on their websites.

    230. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:02 pm

      Sherbob – are you going to apologize when the 3 amigos are charged with murder and the 2 black guys are set free?

    231. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:02 pm

      Bruno, by God, I’m dissing the U.S., I’m dissing Americans like you. Thank God there aren’t that many of them.

    232. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 6:02 pm

      Are we allowed to post links on the site?

    233. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 6:03 pm

      OH please there aren’t only americans in this world!

    234. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:03 pm

      oops..lol

    235. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 6:03 pm

      Now sherbob here,

      Did you really put down your Jack Daniels, unplug the telebision and plug up the ‘puter to post that? C’mon man, I am not going to ream you a new one, I’m going to be nice and stand on principle. I’m going to remind you just who gets charged with child rape and child murder most often in our great nation? White males. Any you know what? They wear many costumes to do it…..sometimes a priest’s frock or a scout master’s sash, or maybe a ratty AD/DC shirt with shit stained jeans (no underwear and no soap). So pleeeeeeeeeese sherbob here, don’t get me started because I have been pretty darn nice in here and I am going to keep it that way.

    236. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:03 pm

      Pretty blonde, blame it on the black guys….i didn’t think modern societies still bought that one, but it is alive in well in the bananna republics.

    237. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 6:03 pm

      MissyRose, you probably can post links to any site that is not a pay-site or subscription-only site.

    238. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:04 pm

      According to Natalee’s mom the only thing Aruban officials have officially told them is that they cannot say whether Natalee is still alive.

      and so they wait…

    239. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:04 pm

      I’m NOT dissing the U.S.

    240. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:04 pm

      oops..lol

    241. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:05 pm

      What’s wrong with questioning three boys and letting them go????? It was a missing person case initially. After they were let go the authorities set up the perfect trap by wiretapping their phone, emails, and doing general surveillance. They thought they were off the hook and made a mistake by letting their guard down. That is how you entrap garrulous little punks.

    242. Kat on June 12th, 2005 6:05 pm

      I was wondering how long it would take for this to degenerate into a US/Aruba bash fest. That helps no one.

    243. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 6:05 pm

      Father you’re right. That’s how we caught Scott Peterson.

    244. Psychic Former Deputy Mustache on June 12th, 2005 6:06 pm

      Hey Bruno, if you’re going to keep using the word banana, maybe you should learn how to spell it.

      Just sayin’…

    245. Cathy on June 12th, 2005 6:06 pm

      I feel this:

      Hurry police release the details, we want the truth. Hope it has a happy or just ending. and that all involved get their suitable punishment. Although I have a strong feeling America has no idea how our system works.

      Just as you enjoy nice accomodations at our hotels, well so do our prisoners.. hehehe that is one of the worlds best conditions offered to prisoners, spa, gym, tv, gourmet catering meals.. library. I wonder how U.S. will react to this piece of knowledge. Some prisoners actually opt to be imprisoned here due to the fair conditions.

    246. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 6:06 pm

      I am not a klansman, i’m just a concerned father. And I know blacks do these things on a regular basis, watch the news. All 5 they have in custody have some part in this, there’s no doubt about that.

    247. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 6:06 pm

      Good catch Dallas. CNN & FOX don’t want anymore f-ups in Google’s cache. “Confession Made”, “Body Found”…idiots.

    248. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 6:06 pm

      http://www.misfitting.com/archives/cat_crime.html

      This has fact vs. fiction about the case.

    249. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:06 pm

      Sorry, I graduated from the International School of Aruba.

    250. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 6:07 pm

      Arubagirl… Unfortunately, we aren’t in control over how others see our posting. Keep up the great work with the information from Aruba. It certainly helps filling in the gaps!

      And I’m not dissing Aruba, but I sure hope we hear something soon. I think Natalee’s parents need to know something…..

    251. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 6:07 pm

      all i am saying and have said ….and wont say again..at the risk of annoying anyone! hahaha is that by not doing what was common sense and by letting those three boys go when they should have been detained….the aruban govt has put its self under serious scrutiny ..they have also lost some credibility and they should be held accountable….like any justice official anywhere in the world would and should. They should not be surprised that the public is outraged…and wants answers…

    252. S.Taylor on June 12th, 2005 6:07 pm

      Kat, it will eventually turn into that. An American was killed in Aruba. Aruba has shown complete and total incompetence in their investigation. Aruba seems to be covering for the rich kid. Seems to me there is a big coverup here.

      Aruba will end up wondering what the bigger murder is…..Natalee Holloway or their Economy.

    253. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:07 pm

      I am Canadian and love the USA and it’s people (except the Sherbobs). Thank you for being our neighbour and best friend.

    254. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 6:08 pm

      Thanks KerinTX,

      I’m going to read a little more (wanna see if sherbob wants to play) then I ‘m going to eat and watch some news.

    255. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 6:08 pm

      Like I said…ignorant fool :) (I rest my “bruno” case….)

    256. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 6:08 pm

      Fox News is holding an s 9pm show tonight on the Case.

    257. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:08 pm

      Trapenburg…Govt Spokesman on FOX now. He is stating exactly what some have been saying…that they are not bungling the case but they are just not used to these type of cases and THAT THEY DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY than US law enforcement does. (which has then been the cause for many untrue rumors)

    258. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 6:08 pm

      cathy-
      good to know, but I doubt the officials feel the same about the food and airconditioning at kia
      is there a golf couse near kia??..

    259. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 6:08 pm

      Leslie… Who are the Sherbobs? maybe I know them! I’m not far from Canada myself!

      :)

    260. S.Taylor on June 12th, 2005 6:09 pm

      They certainly do things differently than the US…..like not solve cases.

    261. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 6:09 pm

      Ignorant Fool….The Aruba International School is AMERICAN :)

      Enough of that……

    262. Psychic Former Deputy Mustache on June 12th, 2005 6:09 pm

      Father Merrin, If that’s the way it happened, that may have been a great strategy. However, I’ve heard nothing to suggest that’s the way it went down. The fact is the Arubian police aren’t prepared for this type of situation.

    263. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:10 pm

      Blacks do what now???? Ted Bundy, Johhn Wayne Gacy, Scott Peterson, David Berkowitz, Adolf Eichman, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Henry Lee Lucas, John Cuoey…….yep…they look very black.

    264. CancunMole on June 12th, 2005 6:10 pm

      ArubaGirl: You get a GO GIRL from me too. Thank you for puttting what should be obvious into perspective.

    265. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 6:10 pm

      cover-up for a rich kid……….pleaseeeee….what is rich?…there are no donald trumps in Aruba.

    266. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:10 pm

      You guys take things so personally

    267. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 6:10 pm

      it is I, SHERBOB

    268. lurkingmom on June 12th, 2005 6:11 pm

      Joan’s mom teaches art and drama at his school. http://www.isaruba.com/academics/profile/anita.htm

      Art teacher Anita van der Sloot of the International School of Aruba spearheaded a.
      display of student artwork at the Access Art Gallery recently in …
      http://www.isaruba.com/breeze/documents/ isadisplayataccessartgallery.pdf -

    269. S.Taylor on June 12th, 2005 6:11 pm

      Miss B, it has to be a cover-up. Not even the Aruba Police can be that dumb when solving this case.

    270. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:11 pm

      Bruno, oh my God, that was PRICELESS. Heeeheeeheee.

      Thanks.

    271. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 6:12 pm

      bruno-
      no one likes to be played for a fool-
      it isnot taking it personally

    272. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 6:12 pm

      father merrin, they are all jews

    273. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:13 pm

      There are Sherbobs everywhere – US and Canada and all over the world. The one I was replying to is here amongst us.

    274. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 6:13 pm

      well now you see..no one is perfect!

    275. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:14 pm

      ST just because the case hasn’t been solved yet does not mean it will not be solved.

      I don’t the FBI has cornered the market on crime solving.

    276. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 6:14 pm

      sherbob,

      Please unplug the ‘puter, replug the telebishen, and take a good look at the 3 amigos.
      One is really really white (Dutch Boy White) and the other two are not African-American by anyone’s standard, look like Hindu Indians or some other type of Indo-Asian.

      Wish nothing but the best for your kids (hope they don’t learn all about other people just from you though) and yourself.

    277. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 6:14 pm

      i hardly think we can compare the non arrest of scott Peterson to the 3 boys in this case….me oh my! the three boys were last seen only hours before with this girl…her return was never verified on HI tapes…
      its different building a case against one person versus a group of people who can be detained seperately and played against one another…and slip up…

    278. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:14 pm

      Psychic- The Aruban authorities admitted two days ago that it was a tactical move. The did!!!! Use common sense….keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer. When you interrogate someone and scream at them for a confession they’re apt to become defensive and seize up. What you do is make them believe that “we’re your friends here”. The boys thought they were clean off the hook; they began emailing each other with things like “I don’t think they’ll ever find out, what do you think?” That’s how you entrap people. It’s the ultimate flim flam tactic….I use it all the time!!!!!!!!!!!

    279. americaninaruba on June 12th, 2005 6:14 pm

      ok can we please stick to the story??Just like Arubians are mad that the press is in someway blaming the Aruban Island for this otehr locals are blaming americans for other stuff…this has absolutely NOTHING to do with either country this has to do wiht a missing young lady and an investigation that we know NOTHING about because thier is no comments from anyone its all speculation…no Officail comment please stop fighting and get abck on track!

    280. gaijin on June 12th, 2005 6:14 pm

      Arubagirl, Nativelingo, Gabriel…anthing concrete today? been out all day and would rather not read thru the fluff. same situation ? no one knows anything for certain?
      no new developments or revalations?

    281. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 6:14 pm

      Psychic….Father Merrin is right….that’s exactly what happened.
      Trust me….we are not only NOT prepared for a case like this, but especially not for the media preassure and interference this case has generated.

      I hope we NEVER have to become experts in handling these types of cases….

    282. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:15 pm

      1) The white guy and two “whatervertheyares” raped/killed her.
      2) I think if we sent in the WIGGLES, they could solve this crime quicker.
      3) There’s corruption everywhere, in the US, and espeically in places where you don’t even have a right to trial by jury, like ARUBA.
      4) The black guys would have a huge civil rights action if this happened in the US
      5) The dutch boty just “looks” guilty !
      ;-)

    283. Sherbob's Psychic Mustache on June 12th, 2005 6:15 pm

      Sherbob – Hitler was a Jew??? Congratulations, you win the prize for most clueless person in history!!

    284. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 6:16 pm

      hey scared black guy, shut your hole, i’m just putting in my 2 cents on here, take it easy.

    285. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:16 pm

      Bruno, wow, how does it feel to know everything better? Especially about Aruba. Just wondering.

    286. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 6:16 pm

      SPM: Actually, Hitler WAS a jew… if your mother is Jewish, that makes you one too, and his mother was.

    287. lisabobeesa on June 12th, 2005 6:16 pm

      i live in caribbean on an island….and i know firsthand that you dont ahve to be donald trump rich to have pull and power locally..it the big fish in a little pond syndrome..i guess i am all too aware of…

    288. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:16 pm

      ignorance as a tactical move….i like that one

    289. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 6:17 pm

      hitler was half jew, everbody knows that shit

    290. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 6:17 pm

      Hello all, I’ve been folowing for a while trying to catch up.

      “bruno Says:

      June 12th, 2005 at 5:48 pm
      They haven’t confessed becasue they were told by mommy and daddy to hold out at all costs, they’ll protect them. ”

      I’ll buy that!

      “MissyRose Says:

      June 12th, 2005 at 5:52 pm
      Not only were they not taken into custody. They left Aruba for 3 days after being questioned. ”

      I’d love to know more of that!

    291. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:17 pm

      Aruba girl…..are you cute? Can I buy you a drink sometime?
      But not a C&Cs!

    292. Pazuzu on June 12th, 2005 6:18 pm

      “…there’s nothing wrong with sharing your bed with someone….it’s very charming….I like Peter Pan!!!!”

    293. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 6:18 pm

      bruno- then, please tell us what is your tactical objective?

    294. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 6:18 pm

      Gaijin….NOTHING……

      and Bruno….peace ok??

    295. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:18 pm

      I think Hitler was one quarter Jewish because his mother was half Jewish.

    296. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 6:19 pm

      Bruno that is so true.

    297. ScaredBlackGuy on June 12th, 2005 6:19 pm

      aiiiiiright sherbob, no harm no foul. I going for dinner, I leave you to post your 2 cents in peace.

      SBG=OUT

    298. americaninaruba on June 12th, 2005 6:19 pm

      What wealso have to realize about the aruban police being dumb we need to understand their are more FBI agents on the island helping with this investigatino than their are Sheriffs on the island! This is not an Aruban Case FBI is on sme sort of way “leading” the investigation…ofcourse they are not leagally allowed to be in total command of anythign but they are giving them the step to go in…remmeber they are the expertsx on these cases this si the first for the Aruban community and police department

    299. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:19 pm

      no, i was mocking someone that said that

    300. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:19 pm

      Hitler eveidently did have some Jewish heritage which explained is irrational behavior

    301. Sherbob's Racist Psychic Detective Moustache on June 12th, 2005 6:19 pm

      Father M, I hadn’t heard that. Where did you hear that info? Surely, the email is speculation that would certainly be a big story if it were true and public knowledge.

    302. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 6:19 pm

      CNN is reporting that they are holding the suspects for another 8 days at least.

    303. RB on June 12th, 2005 6:20 pm

      “Dont believe any of the garbage released by any media sources. the reliable sources are only the police conferences. ”

      Last night the Justice Minister (and I think the Prime Minister) as well confirmed on Fox interviews with Geraldo blood (that was the word used: BLOOD) was found in the car! Just a few minutes ago, I saw an interview live on Fox with *another* spokesman who said that only statements from the Justice or Prime Minister should be taken as official, yes *now* we’re hearing what the Justice Minister confirmed last night indeed isn’t fact. These weren’t reporters simply “reporting” what they heard, these were the people who are *supposed* to be in charge and making the *official statements.* It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to ask the next question: who the hell is in charge down there?

    304. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 6:20 pm

      aruba girl
      what is on your radio/eve news?
      Then I gota go get dinner

    305. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:21 pm

      :::raking out the sandbox:::
      OK kids…let’s play nicely. No kicking sand in other people’s faces and make sure you leave the sandbox for your potty break so there won’t be any *hit slinging.

    306. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:21 pm

      Mommy and Daddy are in charge.

    307. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 6:21 pm

      looks like you’re the clueless one

    308. Sherbob's an Idiot on June 12th, 2005 6:22 pm

      Jewish is a religion, not a nationality. My parents were Catholic. Does that make me Catholic?

    309. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 6:22 pm

      SRPDM and SBG seem alot alike to me.

      And they both remind me of an old friend from school.

      This chat is getting soo random…

      What did that Fox news story say that a few people posted about a while ago? Anything new or rarely known?

    310. lurkingmom on June 12th, 2005 6:22 pm

      Article about Joran’s mom on page two—Can someone translate or summarize in English, please???
      http://www.cspnv.com/PDF/11/A11.pdf
      UPDATE 6: Lesa e vershon digital di Bon Dia Aruba aki(PDF).Tin hopi informashon i splikashon di prensa Arubano mes ku ta bisa ku CNN i AP a bati alarma falsu. http://www.hasibokos.com/

      Another favor—Can anyone from the island ID the people in these photos?

      http://martin.isnw.org/lekkerdoelloos/paginas/joran/joran6.jpg

      http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/5/P7/2457721P7677772883.jpg

      http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/4/6/P7/2463140P7745546511.jpg

      http://photo.tickle.com/image/2/7/3/P7/2739150P7229868220.jpg

    311. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:22 pm

      Hitler referred to his inner circle as his mespucha!!! Boobola….he suffered from a vershlapte krenk….

    312. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 6:22 pm

      Pazuzu, wrong bulletin-board…the Michael Jackson case probably has its own chat going.

    313. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:22 pm

      Sorry, Bruno, not that cute :) Thanks for the offer though.

    314. S.Taylor on June 12th, 2005 6:22 pm

      I wonder if Aruba will get worse now that criminals know they can get away with everything.

    315. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:22 pm

      You sound cute though.

    316. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:23 pm

      If your parents are Catholic – yes that makes you a Catholic. Hail Mary.

    317. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 6:23 pm

      Regarding the two guards still being detained, a post on tripadvisor.com said that two female students from the highschool had their cameras stolen out of their hotel room and was approached earlier in the day at the hot tub by a security guard and was asked if they needed help searching for their missing items. they declined.

      then said same thing happen later that night when approached by a security guard asking them if they were sure they did not need help finding their stuff, that he had a flash light. . said they declined again and went back to their room…

      this was supposely the same day Natalee disappeared..

      dont know if any truth to that, but it was posted.

    318. Whodeenie on June 12th, 2005 6:23 pm

      “Dutch or no dutch…they’re all bananna republics”

      Bruno, I guess there’s a TIN HORN dictator there too, no? Please, this is not 1950.

    319. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:23 pm

      Jewish is a nationality…..if you want to immigrate to Israel you need to have the birth right on the side of your mother, in order to be considered Jewish. Oy ve

    320. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:24 pm

      I’m not a political expert, but isn’t this what they call a sort of “puppet regime”? A few influential people behind the scenes running everything. Would explain why they are constantly issuing statemetns and recanting them.

    321. Sherbob's an Idiot on June 12th, 2005 6:24 pm

      Ummmm, but I’m NOT Catholic

    322. Kat on June 12th, 2005 6:25 pm

      I think it’s time to focus on our similarities, not our differences! What’s everyone having for dinner?

      Fettucini alfredo with grilled chicken…

    323. RB on June 12th, 2005 6:25 pm

      Steak from the grill…

    324. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:26 pm

      Kat…grilled steak and mushrooms with caesar salad here

    325. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 6:26 pm

      Sounds like we are dipping way off the topic trail here! :p

      Any one in Aruba have any new observations to offer regarding Natalee’s situation?

    326. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:26 pm

      Sherbob’s an Idiot: You have Catholic parents and you were raised as what?

    327. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:26 pm

      Flu induced lack of appetite, here.

    328. Pazuzu on June 12th, 2005 6:26 pm

      DALLAS – ” That’s ignorant…you’re being ignorant…it’s not sexual…you’re thinking SEXual…I give them warm milk and cookies…..HEEEE HEEE..JAm on now!!!”

    329. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 6:26 pm

      I don’t know yet. Probably pasta.

    330. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:26 pm

      I wish Natalee’s friends were on here again, so much more info from them

    331. Sherbob's an Idiot on June 12th, 2005 6:27 pm

      *Raised* as a Catholic, but I’m not Catholic. But we are waaay off topic here.

    332. sonya on June 12th, 2005 6:27 pm

      Alabama resident here and the local Birmingham news just did a report, and they are really very frustrated, along with everyone else. They said there will be a press conference later this evening to update all of the reportes there on the island. The only other comment they kept making was that the Aruban officials and/or investigators were feeling a lot of “pressure” to release something “credible”.

    333. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:27 pm

      RB…we could grill together!

      No news, Catriana. Just more speculation on FOX

    334. americaninaruba on June 12th, 2005 6:27 pm

      nothign being said here

    335. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:28 pm

      Nothing, Cat. I guess I’m just waiting to see what are “beloved leader” our PM is going to say.

      NOT a fan of his.

    336. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:28 pm

      I wish Natalee’s friends were on here again, so much more info from them

    337. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:29 pm

      Why is everyone so impatient????? Criminal investigations in the US take just as long if not longer. You all need to step up to your game

    338. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:29 pm

      The only people who have the info you want to know are the 3 amigos who are being held in an Arubian jail. What will make them talk?

    339. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 6:29 pm

      Folk see you all later….off to Dinner….and info hunting……

      Bruno, hope you’re still here when I come back….. :)

    340. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:30 pm

      Bham news is on, maybe they will tell something…hey what is the name of the chat room on yahoo

    341. americaninaruba on June 12th, 2005 6:30 pm

      Well will other americans answer this:what is your take on the aruban PM and the efforts he has done and made in this case including the fact that he has allowed all US help to come in legally and help out with anythign that has to do with the case???

    342. RB on June 12th, 2005 6:30 pm

      Kerin – only if you like you steak blackened :) And as to your comment about Fox – speculation is coming up, but they did have that live interview with Rudy (who is apparantly an Aruba gov’t spokeperson.)

    343. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 6:30 pm

      Oh they were crying over what others were saying to them earlier. I don’t think they will be back on.

    344. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 6:30 pm

      Arubagirl? what time’s the presscon??

    345. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 6:30 pm

      Crys – I agree. =\

      Arubagirl – Has the PM said if/when he’s going to release an official statement?

    346. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:30 pm

      They have already talked…….the authorities now everything. They just don’t feel it’s any of our business at this point

    347. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:31 pm

      native, at 8 I think.

    348. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:31 pm

      bamboo under the nails?

      water torture?

      sending in PFC Lindsey England from the prison in Iraq to take humiliating photos with them?

    349. americaninaruba on June 12th, 2005 6:31 pm

      PLease keep us updated with Bama news!

    350. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:31 pm

      Because Father, we do not know if she is alive or dead, every moment counts

    351. sonya on June 12th, 2005 6:32 pm

      I will try

    352. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 6:32 pm

      arubagirl-thanks
      I see why you are not a fan

      I fell for the family of NH deeply.

      At the same time I am sad for your countries press invasion I feel like the first 2 gaurds are very lucky for mass media/ or really they would be totally framed and Joran would be off to party on another island with his daddays vip card.

    353. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:33 pm

      Fairly sure that’s going to happen at 8, Astrid.

    354. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 6:33 pm

      Father Merrin….I think so too……I think they even have…THE evidence…..

    355. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:34 pm

      Crys83- I hate to sound pessimistic but Vivian vd Biezen(Aruba atorney general) clearly stated that they are neither confirming nor denying the rumors that were disseminated yesterday. Read between the lines……

    356. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:34 pm

      Yes RB…I saw that interview. It seemed he was very frustrated with the US News and the “leaks”. I bet they will be very glad to see the media go home. Maybe when the Jackson verdict comes in they will head home.

    357. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:34 pm

      If she is not dead – where is she? Ask the 3 amigos.
      The Prime Minister is joyous that the US has intervened in this case because he can always say “It wasn’t my fault Mr. van der Sloot”

    358. Crys83nALABAMA on June 12th, 2005 6:34 pm

      Does anyone know what the name of the Yahoo chat room about Natalee?

    359. NativeLingo on June 12th, 2005 6:34 pm

      See you all at 8 (hopefully)

      you too Bruno :)

    360. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 6:35 pm

      Crys83nALABAMA, Natalee’s friends may be reading this, but thanks to posters like Deputy and Catriana, they may not likely provide any more information.

      I know I wouldn’t. Deputy and Catriana were each caulous and cruel to them. It was sad for me to observe their vicious blames and judgements.

      To those who care about Natalee – Deputy and Catriana are jerks and the rest of us apologize for their soapbox mentalities. They didn’t show much love for their fellow Americans.

      If they do come back on, Deputy and Catriana have some apologizing due to these brave, impacted youngsters.

    361. lurkingmom to lisabobeesa who said at 6:16 pm on June 12th, 2005 6:36 pm

      lisabobeesa Says: June 12th, 2005 at 6:16 pm
      i live in caribbean on an island….and i know firsthand that you dont ahve to be donald trump rich to have pull and power locally..it the big fish in a little pond syndrome..i guess i am all too aware of…

      Yes, hasibokos dot com had a link to one of the local papers which seemed to have a whole page 2 devoted to the mom’s suffering:
      Article about Joran’s mom on page two
      http://www.cspnv.com/PDF/11/A11.pdf
      UPDATE 6: Lesa e vershon digital di Bon Dia Aruba aki(PDF).Tin hopi informashon i splikashon di prensa Arubano mes ku ta bisa ku CNN i AP a bati alarma falsu. http://www.hasibokos.com/

    362. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 6:36 pm

      Thanks for the info Arubagirl. Do you know if Top 95 (?) is offered on a global radio site? Just curious.

    363. americaninaruba on June 12th, 2005 6:37 pm

      Mr.Van Der Sloot is not a judge here yet and apparently the PM is no tin good waters with neither him or Mr. Van Straten and they both know that The PM is not too happy with either of them and apparently he tried to replace Mr Van Straten but it was difficult to do so due to another law here and he couldn tjust “FIRE”him or switch him

    364. KerinTX on June 12th, 2005 6:37 pm

      OK…gotta go cook dinner.

      Say a prayer for Natalee when you sit down to dinner…

    365. bruno on June 12th, 2005 6:38 pm

      impatient? we’re talking of an island that’s about 20miX6mi, and less than 100,000 people.

    366. americaninaruba on June 12th, 2005 6:38 pm

      http://www.top95fm.aw thats the radio station

    367. RB on June 12th, 2005 6:38 pm

      Dallas – those students shouldn’t be discussing any of what they experienced online in a forum like this. In fact, one of them last night even alluded to that – all it can do is make things worse for them emotionally.

    368. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:39 pm

      How has the power in Aruba then? Not the PM. I am not surprised to hear that.

    369. Kat on June 12th, 2005 6:39 pm
    370. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 6:39 pm

      Thanks AA.

    371. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 6:39 pm

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NataleeHolloway/chat

      The yahoo chat room as requested!

    372. Psychic Detective Moustache on June 12th, 2005 6:39 pm

      All people cope in different ways. For some, it may be therapeutic to discuss it among other people. Unfortunately, there are people with no compassion who only make them feel worse.

    373. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 6:40 pm

      What I would like to know is when Natalee got in the car, did she and Van der Poot get in the front and the other two in the back? If so, how did they end up making out in the backseat if “she wouldn’t get out of the car? Any ideas here?

    374. RB on June 12th, 2005 6:41 pm

      Pychic – it would be better for them to discuss it amongst themselves. They are contributing as much to the rumor mongering as the US media. Compassion is not something you’re going to find on the Internet in a situation such as this.

    375. Father Merrin on June 12th, 2005 6:41 pm

      please….

    376. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 6:41 pm

      Native
      The evidence is there-yep

    377. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:42 pm

      You are repeating the story told by the 3 amigos-disregard it. You know they are lying.

    378. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 6:43 pm

      Just because someone states how they feel about something, doesn’t mean they are without compassion. Sadly, people have a tendency on the internet to read things into posts that aren’t there, causing some to over-react.

      All people do cope in different ways, true. Someone can’t make someone feel a certain way. People feel a certain way of their own accord.

      FYI, just because someone says on an internet comment board that they are “so and so” does NOT make it necessarily true. I would love to have Natalee’s friends and family join us here, too. But to be totally honest, I wouldn’t know who is or isn’t her friend and family. I certainly don’t accept that any given poster here is “close” to Natalee JUST because THEY say so. Although, it does seem that a lot of people do.

      I think anyone who truly is a friend of Natalee, wouldn’t spend most of their post time complaining about other posters.

    379. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 6:43 pm

      Her friend said earlier that they left C&C’s at 1:30

    380. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 6:44 pm

      The interrogators are looking for inconsistenies, right? Wouldn’t this be one?

    381. americaninaruba on June 12th, 2005 6:44 pm

      th eprime Minister is to put order here and is responsible but rememebr they are an island of the Dutch kingdom and everything has a process so for him to remove Van Straten form this it would take time a nd a kind sof “trail”lbut they didnt want that so it wouldn bring more confusion or such

    382. sherbob here on June 12th, 2005 6:45 pm

      to the retard posting as Sherbob’s an Idiot…
      god, you are thick…

    383. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 6:46 pm

      What I would like to know is when Natalee got in the car, did she and Van der Poot get in the front and the other two in the back? If so, how did they end up making out in the backseat if “she wouldn’t get out of the car? Any ideas here?

      The interrogators are looking for inconsistenies, right? Wouldn’t this be one?

    384. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:46 pm

      Astrid, I have no idea if they’re on a global network.

    385. RB on June 12th, 2005 6:46 pm

      “I certainly don’t accept that any given poster here is “close” to Natalee JUST because THEY say so”

      Bravo. Anyone can be anybody on the Internet. Well said.

    386. lurkingmom to arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:46 pm

      (((arubagirl )))Please take care for your health with the flu and its effects.
      Thank you for your grace under pressure and for blasting those who abuse your grace!

    387. Psychic Detective Moustache on June 12th, 2005 6:47 pm

      Catriana – How do you expect someone to interpret you placing blame on them for their friend’s disappearance and possible murder?? You think it’s over-reacting to be upset by that? Do you even read what you post?

    388. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:48 pm

      By the way, the PM is going to be giving a speech, not a press conference. Oh joy.

    389. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:49 pm

      Awww, thanks to lurkingmom.

    390. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:49 pm

      It seems that people saw her leave with the 3 amigos and assumed she was being driven back to the hotel. If the intention was to make out then Natalee and van der Sloot would be in the back seat with one of the brothers driving. I assume that van der Sloot got into the back seat with her immediately.

    391. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 6:49 pm

      Catriano, you’re lost. That girl was for real. Your conduct towards her was unacceptable.

    392. americaninaruba on June 12th, 2005 6:50 pm

      where is he speaking?

    393. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:52 pm

      Where? You mean the location he’ll be broadcasting from? I have no idea.

    394. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 6:52 pm

      Psychic, Of course I read what I post. I stand behind what I post. I have the right to my opinion as much as you do or anyone else here. How people react to my opinion is their problem, not mine. I don’t get bothered by the things you’ve called me!

      As I’ve stated and will state for the last time. If one can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

      Pyshic, from this point forward, I shall not be posting defending myself to you or anyone else. Think what you will, you will anyway. If you don’t like reading my posts, why are you reading them?

      This is my last comments to you, since you obviously are more concerned with me, than you are with subject at hand.. which is the tragic disappearance of a young woman. A disappearance caused in part, by the young womans own poor choices (as well as others).

    395. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 6:52 pm

      Thanks Leslie for your reply, but you are assuming, right? I wish someone knew from early statements by her friends who saw her leave. Sure would like to know.

    396. mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 6:52 pm

      arubagirl, is the news currently on Top95 anything new?

    397. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:54 pm

      Nope. Just saying that Aruba will survive this media circus.

    398. mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 6:54 pm

      Thank you.

    399. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:54 pm

      I wasn’t there so of course I am assuming. How else would it have happened? The brothers say they NEVER got out of the car after driving away.

    400. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 6:54 pm

      The girl “—” from MB is for real.

    401. Sarah on June 12th, 2005 6:55 pm

      We have no idea what pretences Natalee left under. She may have thought she was going back to the hotel or just out to look at the light house. Anyone can be snatched up at anytime and something horrible can happen to them. Whoever did this to Natalee was evil, it was not her choice.

    402. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 6:55 pm

      Anyone know anymore information on how about the parents met Van der Sloot?

    403. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 6:55 pm

      BREAKING NEWS- there’s been another twist in the investigation because witnesses have observed the Dutch guy Joran and his two Surinamese friends that night involved in a “tickle fight” in the Carlos ‘n Charlies parking lot. They were only wearing “tighty whity” BVD style underwear, screaming like schoolgirls and Village People music was overheard playing in the background.

    404. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 6:55 pm

      Prime Minister is running for re-election in 6 months. How bout that!

    405. Psychic Detective Moustache on June 12th, 2005 6:56 pm

      Hey, I’m glad you won’t be responding since your replies are ridiculous. You actually justify hurting a girl whose friend may have been murdered?? You even said you were proud when she said how callous you were being.

      That’s okay. I understand you don’t have any soul.

    406. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 6:56 pm

      Of course Aruba will survive. Nothing is destroyed by a few bad seeds. We all have them (unfortunately). It will just take the next big tragedy/disaster to take the eye off Aruba. I’m pretty sure it won’t take long for that to happen. We seem to be a world of disasters and tragedies. :(

    407. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 6:57 pm

      I’m with you, Sarah!

    408. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:57 pm

      WOw, Top 95 was doing so well, and now they’ve gone to the deep end…

    409. GW on June 12th, 2005 6:58 pm

      Cat – You must be one of them “compassionate conservatives.”

    410. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 6:58 pm

      Well said Catriana

    411. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 6:59 pm

      Booya, heeheeeheee

    412. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 6:59 pm

      What the 3 amigos are doing to Natalee’s family is sadistic.

    413. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:00 pm

      Do they still think she is alive?

    414. Sarah on June 12th, 2005 7:00 pm

      The three amigos are in complete control until one of them confesses and leads us to Natalee. Then they have sealed their fate. Until then, they really hold all of the cards. They are not dummies by any means.

    415. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:01 pm

      If they don’t come up with something good on this, (a valid case)Aruba can be expected to suffer negative revererations for some time to come.

    416. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:01 pm

      Psychic – Cat isn’t saying anything I haven’t seen 5000 other times on other message boards. I personally think a lot of NH friends and family who are associated with this case are going thru quite a bit of emotional turmoil, and coming to a messageboard to find solace just isn’t in their best interests.

    417. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:01 pm

      Arubagirl- They were also observed earlier in the day rollerblading wearing pink lycra bicycle shorts, bodies covered in baby oil, and they appeared to be playing a game of “grab-a$$” Hende loko ariba thread akinan

    418. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:02 pm

      Sarah… You can remain as niave as you wish, but Natalee made poor choices. Not saying that there weren’t other things that led up to this tragedy, because there certainly were many things.

      I understand that no one wants to blame the “victim”, but the truth is… most victims put themselves in the situation. It would seem that Natalee placed her trust in people that she shouldn’t have, after only a few days of knowing them.

      Read a book called “the Gift of Fear” by Gavin de Becker. It discusses how our instincts and survival signals can protect us from violence. Of course, alcohol consumption can wrech havoc with our natural instincts.

    419. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:02 pm

      reverberations, oops

    420. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 7:02 pm

      How could they think that? Without a body there is still hope.

    421. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:03 pm

      Actually, I’m more accurately described as a dis-illusioned Moderate.

    422. K in TX on June 12th, 2005 7:03 pm

      Wow, Catriana,

      It must feel so good to know the answers to everything and to be perfect. You must be so proud of yourself! Congratulations!

    423. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:04 pm

      Catriana, Ok, but so what?

    424. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 7:04 pm

      Catriana, however you’re described, you went into that girl earlier today. Are you sick or what?

    425. Psychic Detective Moustache on June 12th, 2005 7:04 pm

      RB,

      But if they ARE here, there’s no need to antagonize them and make them feel worse.

    426. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:05 pm

      Booya, wonder when CNN is going to break that news. Hende loko mes, mes aki riba.

    427. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 7:06 pm

      hahaha i love the fact cu nan no ta compronde boso

    428. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 7:07 pm

      What are Top95 saying? Hearing a lot of “Natalee”.

    429. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:08 pm

      Lessons learned are obvious. But it does no good at all to badger continuosly those who are most hurt and distressed by this. They have my support 100% and I don’t cast any blame towards the victim or her friends.

    430. Sarah on June 12th, 2005 7:08 pm

      Cat,
      I’m not nieve in the least. I just think that if we live in fear, then we never leave our bubble. Who, when they were young, has not done things that wreaked some sort of havic on someones life. I think that this was an accident and that these three kids are scared to death to confess because accident or not, they have consequences to face. I am not a trusting person, always a little weary of situations, but Natalee and her friends had been spending time with these boys in the days prior to the disappearance and may have felt safe around them. She must have trusted them or she wouldn’t have left with them. From what has been printed, she was a pretty reliable girl in the past.

    431. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:08 pm

      Talking about the blood, whose it is, who said what, etc.

    432. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:08 pm

      Pesey mi mes ta skibi koy loko. Mi ta bin bekAruba pa vakantie aki un luna. Cos a kambia ey bou cu CNN FOX ABC

    433. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:09 pm

      Psychic – I don’t think she’s trying to do that. I think she’s trying to make the point that such situations are mostly avoidable if women (especially younger women) make personal safety a priority. If they ARE here, they should understand that and they should expect others who post in such a medium will not ivy cover their opinions – there’s no way of knowing who knows who or who is this or that.

    434. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:09 pm

      K… I don’t know the answers to everything. Your post only illustrates exactly what I was saying about people reading things into posts that aren’t there. Thank you for giving people the example.

      You might read some of the posts further up from this one. You will find prime examples of posters who try to deflect the comments from the issue and focus ON a given poster. Usually, in an internet forum.. this is done because the poster has no valid comments to make.

      I’ve found that the best way to handle those types of posters, is to ignore them. What we call on some forums, ghosting. You don’t talk about them, or mention them or discuss their opinions with anyone else.

      As I said, I don’t know everything. I will admit that I do know a lot of things and I don’t mind sharing that knowledge with others. Isn’t that what we are all doing?

      But, it’s nice of you to think that I know everything. I just couldn’t let you go on with that delusion. It wouldn’t be right!

      Now, do you have any insight about what might have happened to Natalee? since this really isn’t about you or me.

    435. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:09 pm

      This seems like a neverending nightmare. Why not give the boys a polygraph test?

    436. DT on June 12th, 2005 7:10 pm

      Has there been any news since the whole “blood isn’t really blood” thing?

    437. Astrid on June 12th, 2005 7:11 pm

      Are you speaking Papiamento? It seems similar to Spanish.

    438. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:11 pm

      Booya, don’t know, mi mo ta wakiendo tv. Ban spera pa ora bo bin, tur e bochincha aki a caba.

    439. Psychic Detective Moustache on June 12th, 2005 7:11 pm

      CNN just reported “cracks” in the three amigos story. Of course, they don’t know what those cracks are…

    440. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 7:11 pm

      mi tambe ta bayendo cu vakantie eynan aki 20 dia…mi ta super pura!

    441. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:11 pm

      RB…. Don’t fret. Some people just like to have someone they can complain about. It doesn’t bother me. I know that my opinions are just my opinions. I just enjoy sharing them.

      And I’ve enjoyed reading your insights, RB.

    442. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:11 pm

      Lessons learned are obvious. But it does no good at all to badger continuosly those who are most hurt and distressed by this. They have my support 100% and I don’t cast any blame towards the victim or her friends.
      Sarah, I agree with you except accident or no, the amios are committing a crime if they did nothing after whatever befell Natalee.

    443. mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 7:11 pm

      arubagirl, I’d love to be updated on the “facts” of the blood. Was it blood or other fluid, which car, whose car, seat or trunk, etc. Some of the things published and reported today seem to be fabrications rather than facts.

    444. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:11 pm

      Astrid, yes. Checking if we still remember the language…. :-)

    445. --- on June 12th, 2005 7:12 pm

      wait, what is going on with the “blood” ordeal?

    446. DT on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm

      Fox is reporting that it was not blood found, but something else for those asking.

    447. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm

      mustique, nothing official yet. The radio station says that according to them, it wasn’t her blood. But nothing from cops/FBI/prosecutor.

    448. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm

      Catriana: Most young men are not rapists and murderers. You do not know what happened that night; if she was dragged into the car because she was intoxicated or went willingly because she thought van der Sloot was a prince of a guy. Evil sometimes has a very normal face. Ask Amber Frey and Scott Peterson’s former in-laws.
      Stop blaming a young naive beautiful girl who might have been raised to see the good in all people and thought her angels would protect her.

    449. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm

      Not blood! What? Not said. Van der Poot’s car.

    450. Psychic Detective Moustache on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm

      — Says,

      They’re saying what they found wasn’t blood

    451. K in TX on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm

      Give it a rest, Catriana. I’ve read all the posts. I was on here until late last night. If YOU go back and read the posts, you’ll see that 95% of them were about this missing girl, and her family, and how badly I feel for them.

      And really, “since this really isn’t about you or me”? Please. I believe you contributed to running off some sad, scared friends of Ms. Holloway’s today. How does that make YOU feel? Now, who’s in it for herself?

    452. --- on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm

      What was it then?

    453. Sarah on June 12th, 2005 7:13 pm

      Hi Arubagirl, so glad you are keeping us up to date.

    454. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 7:14 pm

      “Why not give the boys a polygraph test?”

      The attorney for the guards said on LKL that they do not use them at all in Aruba.

    455. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:14 pm

      It wasn’t blood possible saliva. But because the boys say she was in the car, it gives no lead.

    456. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:14 pm

      Cat – I understand WRT to the opinions. I deal with it all the time ;)

      I’ve enjoyed reading your posts as well. Interestingly, I would rather the students who were with her didn’t post, and commiserated amongst themselves – I think it’s better for them, and in turn, keeps rumors and character-driven threads from running rampant about Natalee.

    457. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:14 pm

      Mi no ta kere cu e cos aki ta bai dana Aruba……..Mi tin 25 ana bibando ne merka y e hendenan aki ta hopi “vergeetachtig” tokante kos nan manera loke ta pasando

    458. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:14 pm

      I would think that after this much time in jail, that at least one of the young men would start to crack. Let’s hope we can get some honest information and soon!

    459. DT on June 12th, 2005 7:14 pm

      I remember that cracks were reported in the guards stories as well, they amounted to little more than one not remembering he had gone jogging with the other that morning.

    460. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:15 pm

      Yeah, it’s not that difficult to get a girl to with you, just have to know how to press the right buttons….

    461. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:15 pm

      Natalee’s only trnsgression was being friendly, trusting and beautiful. She was persued and victimized.

    462. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:16 pm

      Is that — from MB?

    463. Rabaul on June 12th, 2005 7:16 pm

      “HI…I’m Brian Fellows…Aruba is crazy!!!!!”

    464. Sarah on June 12th, 2005 7:17 pm

      Maybe it’s time to import the polygraph to the island. Just the thought of taking one might make one of them talk.

    465. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:17 pm

      “Please. I believe you contributed to running off some sad, scared friends of Ms. Holloway’s today”

      And how do you know who is or isn’t Ms Holloway’s friends other than what they professed to be? What proof is there of that? It’s just as easy with all I’ve seen to post here professing to be one of her friends and you’d never know the difference. Tom might, if he’s tracking IP’s, but you would not.

    466. sandinmytoes on June 12th, 2005 7:17 pm

      hi all, i’ve been lurking for days…

      as to the “blood”, fox news reported a few minutes ago that it was tested and is said to NOT be blood (they mentioned it may be bile or saliva but that sort of evidence would be inconclusive because as per the boys’ testimony, it is already known that natalee was in the car).

      somewhat relieving, i suppose.

    467. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:17 pm

      I hope that this conference gives some sight to the whereabouts of Natalee.

    468. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:17 pm

      Booya, bo tin hopi razon eynan. Pesey mi no tin hopi stress riba esey, pero esta cu e henenan aki por ta bobo, mi Dios.

    469. --- on June 12th, 2005 7:18 pm

      yeah.. I’m back.. GPTMB is here too

    470. K in TX on June 12th, 2005 7:19 pm

      Does anyone know if they are letting the FBI probe these suspects? I don’t know if Aruban law would allow it, but man…I have to think they’d be able to get something out of these kids.

    471. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:19 pm

      MissyRose, it’s not going to be press conference, just a speech (ugh). Just FYI.

    472. mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 7:19 pm

      Arubagirl, did Top95 say anything about the substance not being blood? Has anyone besides Fox said it was not blood? Has anyone besides Fox said it was found in the trunk and not the seat as we first heard? And always, thank you.

    473. K in TX on June 12th, 2005 7:19 pm

      Brian Fellows! LMAO!

    474. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:20 pm

      K, I really really hope so. Otherwise what’s the point of having 30 FBI agents on the island.

    475. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:20 pm

      Hi, good luck in here. Beware there a cold hearts among us.

    476. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:20 pm

      Aruba girl…Miss B… nos ta bay party ora nos yega Aruba y lubida tur e sono malo aki

    477. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:21 pm

      http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl/

      Translator for those who might wish to translate any news!

    478. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:21 pm

      Well hopefully the prime minister will be able to let us know when this mess should be cleaned up by. I am sure that yall want the media out.

    479. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:21 pm

      arubagirl, can I ask you a really dumb question?

    480. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 7:21 pm

      Catriana, I can assure you that others on this board will make sure that your hurtful and inconsiderate remarks are confronted when they occur. That you don’t care who you hurt is just as sad as it can be. You are very selfish to not care who you hurt, just so you can say your two cents. It wouldn’t be so bad, but you laid into that girl who had been on the trip with Natalee. No way do you have any right to do that. This board doesn’t give you that right.

    481. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:21 pm

      Arubagirl, has it grown to 30 now?

    482. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:21 pm

      Mustique, no, Top, they just that is wasn’t Natalie’s blood. I’m not even watching the tv, because CNN is making my blood boil.

      No prob, mustique.

    483. Rabaul on June 12th, 2005 7:21 pm

      Hi …..I’m Brian Fellows…K in Texas like crack!!!!

    484. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 7:21 pm

      According to someone posting earlier, Aruba doesn’t have murders so I guess the FBI will explain it all to them.

    485. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 7:22 pm

      Arubagirl e “speech” ta bai wordo pasa live na telearuba? mi kier sa ja cu mi ta na hulanda anto porta mi por volg e online.

    486. Sarah on June 12th, 2005 7:22 pm

      Anyone know what is happening with the family right now?

    487. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:22 pm

      “It wouldn’t be so bad, but you laid into that girl who had been on the trip with Natalee.”

      Dallas, can youo provide proof that the person who was supposed friend of Ms Holloway’s is really who he/she says she is?

    488. mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 7:22 pm

      I have tv turned off too. :)

    489. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:23 pm

      —-, I ask this before but no one could help.What I would like to know is when Natalee got in the car, did she and Van der Poot get in the front and the other two in the back? If so, how did they end up making out in the backseat if “she wouldn’t get out of the car? Any ideas here?

      The interrogators are looking for inconsistenies, right? Wouldn’t this be one?

      Do you know anyone who could shed some light?

    490. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:23 pm

      Leslie.. I didn’t see that information. I would find it hard to believe that they never have murders (though I don’t know). Would be something worth investigating.

    491. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:23 pm

      Well, according to RB it has.

    492. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:23 pm

      According to TOP

      I better check my temperature here, looks as if the fever has come back :)

    493. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 7:24 pm

      right on Booya!!

    494. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:24 pm

      “Well, according to RB it has. ”

      Uhm, I asked if it had grown to 30 FBI agents, per your post. I didn’t say it had.

    495. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:24 pm

      Arubagirl, where do people from Aruba like to go when they go on vacation? I assume they like to get off the island every once in awhile!?

    496. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:24 pm

      Miss B, mi kier sa cu si, pero mi no por sigurabo.

    497. --- on June 12th, 2005 7:24 pm

      Hey guys… we’re headin out, we’re goin to go see sisterhood of the traveling pants. I’m making GPTMB watch chick flicks to get my mind off things. haha. Well ttyl

    498. DT on June 12th, 2005 7:25 pm

      I thought that she souldn’t get out of the car at the holiday inn , not in at the lighthouse.

    499. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:25 pm

      Do we know if the argument earlier with Joren and a high school kid was over Natalee?

    500. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:26 pm

      “— Says:

      Hey guys… we’re headin out, we’re goin to go see sisterhood of the traveling pants. I’m making GPTMB watch chick flicks to get my mind off things. haha. Well ttyl ”

      How very interesting.

    501. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:26 pm

      At the beach (lt hs) As I understood.

    502. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:26 pm

      Well, Nate, I guess everyone’s different. I, for example, am addicted to U.S. malls. Some like to go to Europe, or Disney, or Puerto Rico.

    503. --- on June 12th, 2005 7:26 pm

      I never saw her get into the car, so I couldn’t say. I just talked to her apparently right before she got in the car… I thought she wa sgoing to get in the taxi with other MB kids.

    504. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:26 pm

      Miss B Horen jullie in Nederland ook veel over de ontwikkelingen wat de zaak Holloway betreft?

    505. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:26 pm

      — if you want to watch a really good chick flick, go rent “The Notebook”

    506. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 7:26 pm

      DT: thats what the boys said happened. Do you really believe anything they say?

    507. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:27 pm

      Arubagirl…. Hey, I can’t blame you. Malls can be lots of fun and we have lots of them!

    508. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:27 pm

      RB, please, check my post directly underneath that one, I mistyped.

    509. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:28 pm

      Thanks Arubagirl…just curious…I told you it was a dumb question… ;)

    510. DT on June 12th, 2005 7:28 pm

      Im skeptical of the events at the lighthouse and everything afterwords, although I think they might have taken her there.

    511. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:28 pm

      I don’t believe waht they say but want to pay attention to what they say to catch their flaws.

    512. --- on June 12th, 2005 7:28 pm

      RB, GPTMB has a question… why are you mean? We’re just kids… Leave us the heack alone… We are who we say we are dad-gummit… Why would we lie about something like that… We’re only here to defend our friends and our community…

    513. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 7:28 pm

      eerlijk gezegd…niet dat ik weet…ik ben ziek in deze dagen en dus ben ik thuis..en ik hou niet zo veel van tv kijken dus volg ik het nieuws via internet of gewoon van familie of vrienden in aruba. En ik heb de krant in dagen niet gelezen!

    514. Rabual on June 12th, 2005 7:28 pm

      Woop tee doo….what does it all mean?

    515. cautivo on June 12th, 2005 7:29 pm

      owen2u, it is my fervent hope that the parties involved can reach an agreement that will bring good news to Natalee’s family, and I am confident that if this can be done discreetly and in a manner that avoids possible embarrassment to sensitive interests, there are those who would not oppose such an effort.

    516. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:29 pm

      Arubagirl – I saw that, thanks :) I was like whhhhhuuut….. :)

    517. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:29 pm

      Catriana, many many malls. Books, clothes, dvds… Oh damn, now I want to go…

    518. --- on June 12th, 2005 7:30 pm

      hey we’re gonna miss our movie and he’s about to leave me here… I’ll ttyl…

    519. Rick on June 12th, 2005 7:30 pm

      Hi Everyone – Checking back in from the last two days.. Hi aruba girl, all the folks from Texas too, Tom and Red, etc…

      Dallas – the jerk constantly harping on the so-called “chaperones” (aka parents who went on the trip) – has been doing this for a couple days now, making incredibly rude and hurtful statements like, “the parents were whoring out the daughter by sending her on the trip” – etc. Tom, the fellow running this board – blocked that person from posting using multiple board names. I think this person is getting some pathological delight in scolding people surrounding this tragedy, presumably from his idyllic life as “Father of the Year” – sitting behind a computer somewhere. If he truly cared about people, as he pretends to do as the pretext for his continual “bad parents” posts, then he wouldn’t be repeatedly making horrible remarks which certainly have the intended effect of hurting others. He’s a hypocrite and clearly has psychological problems…

      Anyway, on to the topic at hand –

      The PM yesterday on Geraldo *promised* there’d be some conclusion to this case by today. He’s set to give a speech in a few minutes. If he rambles on about how he and his island are doing all they can, but there’s nothing to report – I expect you will see a shitstorm of criticism heaped upon him and his law enforcement people.

      Let’s see what happens.. Apart from that and today’s excavation at the lighthouse which revealed nothing – I dont think there’s anything to report. The fact that they did do an excavation tells me they have no idea where the body may be, despite having the 3 kids in custody and subjecting them to interrogation..

    520. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:30 pm

      arubagirl…have you been to the one in Minnesota?

    521. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:30 pm

      And I can’t even say I have a fever for being so stupid (Temp = normal).

    522. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 7:30 pm

      — and GPTMB, enjoy the movie. That’s a great idea for you guys!

    523. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:30 pm

      Bye!—-

    524. Kuaitzu on June 12th, 2005 7:30 pm

      Isn’t it amazing how the whole world can be held at bay..because of the actions of a couple of cocky, arrogant teenagers? If I had the FBI interrogating me..I’d be sweating. But a sociopaths personality never thinks they do anything wrong..and they also believe the whole world revolves around them. All Joran seems to do is call his Momma..and discuss what he should say. Pitiful.

    525. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:31 pm

      Iedereen is altijd ziek in Nederland

    526. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:31 pm

      No, I WISH. I’ve only been to Florida.

    527. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:31 pm

      “RB, GPTMB has a question… why are you mean? We’re just kids… Leave us the heack alone… We are who we say we are dad-gummit… Why would we lie about something like that… We’re only here to defend our friends and our community…”

      I have no way of know if you’re “just kids.” And I’m not being “mean.” You could be anyone for all I know – I could tell you that I’m the director of the CIA and you’d never know the difference.

    528. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:32 pm

      tenminste zijn ze wat normaler dan deze groep.

    529. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:32 pm

      arubagirl…yeah, i’ve only seen video footage of it…it’s amazing…like a themepark or something..

    530. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:32 pm

      “And I can’t even say I have a fever for being so stupid”

      Not stupid – just your fingers just ignored what your brian was telling you. Happens to me all the time.

    531. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:32 pm

      RB… The director of the CIA? OMG.. small world. My daughter works there! :)

    532. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:33 pm

      RB…you’re not the Director of the CIA! I am! Quit lying! ;)

    533. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 7:33 pm

      hahaha true!

    534. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:34 pm

      Someone reported earlier that Van Der Sloot was going to Flagler College in Florida, anyone know if that is true?

    535. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:34 pm

      Cat – Great minds think alike. :)

    536. mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 7:34 pm

      To those speaking Papiamentu and Dutch, would you like me to post the translations for all to read?

    537. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:34 pm

      Miss B, waar ben je in Nederland als ik het vragen mag?

    538. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:35 pm

      I did read somewhere that he had been accepted to a college in Florida. I don’t remember the name on that article, but you could have the right name there.

    539. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:35 pm

      No I was before I decided to be 41! LOL

    540. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:35 pm

      Ik ben een Arubaanse Nederlander Amerikaan…..dus ik ben sowieso een kwart normaal. I can’t handle these depraved moral reprobates…….

    541. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:35 pm

      Nate – welcome to the Great Minds Club :)

    542. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:35 pm

      You know both? Oops, busted.

    543. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 7:36 pm

      RB, — and GPTMB proved in previous posts that they’re the real deal.

    544. mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 7:36 pm

      I also know that Tom and Red would tell you to post in English only. Thanks.

    545. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:36 pm

      If that is true. It says a lot about his personality.

    546. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 7:36 pm

      Ik ben in Rotterdam

    547. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:36 pm

      Damn Booya, that’s quite a mix :)

    548. Rick on June 12th, 2005 7:36 pm

      Interesting item from RIEHLWORLD:

      Interesting
      Every attorney involved in this on the part of those arrested has statements or positions throughout the news reports except for one – the attorney for the eldest brother, Deepak Kalpoe.

      I cannot find a single report where he has interacted with the press. If anyone finds anything, please let me know. It is not the same attorney as the younger brother. I have a suggested name, Rudy Oomen, but can’t confirm until his office opens on Monday.

      It may just be a matter of style, but I find it interesting that he hasn’t gone on record with anything I can search out through the Internet.

    549. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:37 pm

      Ah yes, the Great Minds Club…not only am I the founder and president, but a client as well….

    550. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:37 pm

      mustiq… that would be great, if they don’t mind. Having different languages intermingled sure makes it hard to know what’s going on. I envy all those who are multi-lingual. I only do English and even that.. I mess up a lot on.

      :)

    551. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:37 pm

      “RB, — and GPTMB proved in previous posts that they’re the real deal”

      You can’t prove that in an Internet messageboard posting, least not to my satisfaction.

    552. Sarah on June 12th, 2005 7:37 pm

      Had you kids met the three boys that have been arrested and if so, what did you think of them?

    553. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:37 pm

      Mustique, I’m not trying to offend anyone, it’s just that it’s getting to be a strain to post in English only.

    554. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:38 pm

      I think I’m going to get me a quarter pounder with cheese meal…should I supersize?

    555. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:38 pm

      Amen , RB. People should realize that the CIA needs more proof than just their word.

    556. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:38 pm

      Rick, me too. I’ve heard the lawyer’s name was Oomen, but that’s just hearsay, so God knows if it’s true or not. Guess this lawyer is not so much of a famewhore.

    557. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 7:38 pm

      RB, you’re wrong. They proved it.

    558. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:39 pm

      you can’t supersize…only large size now..they took supersize off the menu…darn trans fatty acids…

    559. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:39 pm

      “RB, — and GPTMB proved in previous posts that they’re the real deal”

      You can’t prove that in an Internet messageboard posting, least not to my satisfaction

      I believe them!

    560. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:39 pm

      Do it for me, booya! : )

    561. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:39 pm

      Cat, you rascal. Have you been reading Nate’s and my SOP? :)

    562. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:39 pm

      I believe them.

    563. mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 7:39 pm

      Just common courtesy to speak a language we all can understand. And absolutely no harm intended. You’re interpretations and on the island insight have been invaluable. You are very appreciated. Thanks as always.

    564. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:40 pm

      IDontKnowNuttin – that’s your choice. Not mine.

    565. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:40 pm

      ARRIBA LA RAZA…..Mara Salvatrucha siempre se respeta!!!

    566. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:40 pm

      What, RB… didn’t you get the memo??? :p

    567. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:41 pm

      Well, that’s mighty gracious of you!

    568. mustiquemama on June 12th, 2005 7:41 pm

      Ha! I understand your need for a break. :)

    569. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:41 pm

      Asi se dice, Booya :)

    570. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:41 pm

      Heh. :) No Cat, I didn’t get the memo…although I should have checked the bathroom wall….

    571. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:42 pm

      Great, RB…. so much for our secret rendevous place. :( Now I have to find another one!

    572. Nate on June 12th, 2005 7:42 pm

      Cat…sorry he didn’t get the memo…I was too busy working on the TPS reports…forgot to deliver the memos…

    573. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:43 pm

      IDontKnowNuttin – I’m just respecting your right to believe as you choose. I just don’t believe the same thing, that’s all. We can agree to disagree, can we not?

    574. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 7:43 pm

      Aruba girl- bisami kiko hendenan na Aruba ta pensa loke a pasa ku e mucha aki. Denkt iedereen dat ze vermoord is of is ze misschien verdronken

    575. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 7:44 pm

      Yep!

    576. SoInSo on June 12th, 2005 7:44 pm

      That was easy enough to Google

      ar ·ri ·ba (É™-rÄ”‘bÉ™)
      interj.
      Used as an exclamation of pleasure, approval, or elation.

      La Ra ·za (là ¤ rà ¤’sà ¤)
      n.

      Mexicans or Mexican Americans considered as a group, sometimes extending to all Spanish-speaking people of the Americas.

      [American Spanish, the people.]

      Mara whoever – a gang?

      siempre se respeta – show some respect. Just a guess.

    577. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:45 pm

      Booya, the three guys had something to do with it, could be overdosis, raped and murdered, god knows.

    578. RB on June 12th, 2005 7:45 pm

      Dallas Also – You’re welcome to your belief. I don’t share it.

    579. Sarah on June 12th, 2005 7:45 pm

      liuljltjoajt;ljoajlsejojflsdjldjvpjvpwjpewjjwpe

    580. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:45 pm

      http://www.freetranslation.com/

      On line translator… free

    581. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:46 pm

      I believe that she either overdosed or passed out, and the boys panicked.

    582. K in TX on June 12th, 2005 7:46 pm

      Whitney, is that you?

    583. Rabaul on June 12th, 2005 7:47 pm

      ” Hi…I’m Brian Fellows…snakes scare me cause they ugly !”

    584. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 7:47 pm

      arubagirl, the broadcast tonight will be in your native language, is that correct? And only for local media? Do you mean that CNN and Fox are not allowed to attend?

    585. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 7:50 pm

      I am reading a report that says they found a dog body decomposing by the lighthouse, anyone on the island here this?

    586. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:50 pm

      PM is on tv, but he’s only listing his “accomplishments”. I’m guessing that this is an old interview, as TOP is still playing music.

    587. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:51 pm

      MSNBC is an affiliate of the news station in Aruba. I would be willing to believe that MSNBC will be have info. I also believe it would be difficult to have a broadcast that was not being translated by those reporters who are there and with other networks.

    588. Rick on June 12th, 2005 7:53 pm

      I really think this is a tactical mistake for the PM, if all he’s going to do is speak in Papimento, and offer general “support” comments for the family and remind everyone what a wonderful tourist destination Aruba is, and how safe it is..

      He yesterday essentially promised resolution of the case by today – on Geraldo’s program – and if all he does is the above – then I think he and his agencies will deserve all the criticism they will likely get. I also think it will have the opposite of the intended effect – to make the government there look like nincompoops and hurt tourism.

      I hope I’m proved wrong and there are new details offered… we’ll know in a few mins..

    589. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:53 pm

      Dallas, I have no idea on both questions. But I have feeling that the people from CNN aren’t exactly going to be welcomed with open arms :) .

      MissyRose, I’ve heard the dog story on TOP, they’ve even digged further, but I didn’t catch the location.

      For those in NL, TeleAruba is going to transmit PM’s speech.

    590. Kat on June 12th, 2005 7:54 pm

      I would think having Geraldo there would be a huge incentive to solve this case and get him the hell off the island.

    591. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 7:54 pm

      LOL, Kat! :)

    592. K in TX on June 12th, 2005 7:54 pm

      But Kat, don’t you think the locals there are really enjoying him? Didn’t someone post that he was in a limbo contest last night? ;)

    593. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 7:56 pm

      Probably Geraldo can call in some favors. That’s why he’s there.

    594. Kat on June 12th, 2005 7:56 pm

      Maybe he’ll fall in love with the blue waters and the wonderful climate and relocate there!

      Kat, a dreamer

    595. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:57 pm

      K, we’re about to give him honorary citizenship…: )

    596. Kat on June 12th, 2005 7:57 pm

      Maybe he’ll fall in love with the blue waters and the wonderful climate and relocate there!

      You’re welcome in advance, Aruba.

    597. Kat on June 12th, 2005 7:58 pm

      I see my ronco repeat-o-matic is working…

    598. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:58 pm

      Okay speech is starting but nothing on Tele aruba

    599. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 7:59 pm

      na Top si??

    600. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:59 pm

      Speech didn’t start.

    601. Jennifer on June 12th, 2005 7:59 pm

      Missyrose, I’m pretty sure that the site you claimed is Joran’s brothers isn’t. There are references to a “NatalIe,” but her name is spelled different. And if you look on his friends page, you can find Natalie’s page, and you’ll discover that she’s a native Arubian that’s his age and also his girlfriend.

    602. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 7:59 pm

      Si, Miss B.

    603. K in TX on June 12th, 2005 8:00 pm

      Are you going to meet him out tonight, Arubagirl? Be sure to compliment him on his metrosexual outfit, and bring along a little comb for his luscious mustache! LOLOL!

    604. Rick on June 12th, 2005 8:00 pm

      You know, he deserves a lot of the criticism he’s getting, but he certainly is applying a huge amount of pressure on the Aruban governemnt right now. The weapon of international negative publicity and ruined tourism will certainly be the best possible motivator for the government to ensure that things are done properly, that there is no favoritism, etc..

      If the international media wasn’t there, I wonder if anyone would have been arrested?

      His interview of the Holloway family last night almost certainly turned off thousands of people from visiting Aruba. I can’t imagine it didn’t…

    605. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:00 pm

      It is 8PM and I am wating telearuba

    606. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 8:01 pm

      That is his page. But the Natalie is the brothers girlfriend not this Natalee. That page hasn’t been updated in 2 years. We were looking at his profile.

    607. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:01 pm

      Just once, some profesionalism from our PM. ONCE.

    608. K in TX on June 12th, 2005 8:01 pm

      Missy, do you have the link to the webpage? TIA!

    609. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 8:02 pm

      I don’t have it anymore but I did post it in the 1120 forum I believe. It is a tickle.com site

    610. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:03 pm
    611. Teo on June 12th, 2005 8:03 pm

      Right now Prime Minister will give a statement on Radio and television.

      You can acces the different media through http://www.arubadag.com also live on Arubian Television.. TeleAruba.

      20:05 Arubian Time

    612. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:03 pm

      The speech is starting.

    613. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 8:03 pm

      started!!!!!!!

    614. Bill on June 12th, 2005 8:03 pm

      MS-NBC just reported substance being tested not blood.

    615. Kat on June 12th, 2005 8:04 pm

      Geraldo actually entertains me quite abit. Everything is so *dramatic*! And he has guts…I’ll give him that.

    616. Teo on June 12th, 2005 8:04 pm

      Telling the story about how it all started 2 weeks ago

    617. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:05 pm

      FOX NEWS- Angry at local authorities not releasing more information regarding the pending investigation, Geraldo rivera has apparently kidnapped Prime Minister Nelson Oduber from his cactus fortified palace, and has him detained under duress at the Arashi lighthouse on the top floor. He’s threathening to torture Mr. Oduber by making him listen to Geraldos stories about how he was a total hot chick magnet back in the seventies and eighties and how he scored with countless female news anchors because of his bitchin’ mustache.
      In addition to more information regarding the case, he also wants twentyfive dollars in complimentary casino chips and “one of those drinks” with a fruit slice and umbrella.

    618. Teo on June 12th, 2005 8:06 pm

      It is still in papiamento though, but maybe he will say it in english, still can’t find the body he says, an isolated incident, our Island is know as a island that has a great hospitality.

      we arubians fought for more than 50 (?) years to keep the island safe?

    619. Teo on June 12th, 2005 8:06 pm

      This incident shook the whole population of Aruba

    620. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:07 pm

      LOL Booakasha! I think I’ll email that to him…

    621. Kat on June 12th, 2005 8:07 pm

      Not to start anything, but I think it sucks out loud that he’s excluding US reporters from this. I mean, it’s not like we have any interest is what’s going on..

    622. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:07 pm

      Hee B.

      He’s really not saying anything new

      Aruba is in solidarity with the family, we’re safe, blah blah

    623. Teo on June 12th, 2005 8:07 pm

      Booyakasha… hehehehe, you are funny, now let us continue

    624. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:08 pm

      NBC is there.

    625. K in TX on June 12th, 2005 8:08 pm

      OMG, Boo! ROFLMAO – good one!

    626. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:08 pm

      He is not giving us any new information, is he?

    627. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:08 pm

      Hi..dizzz izzz hhheraldo reporting for foxxzz newzzz

    628. cautivo on June 12th, 2005 8:08 pm

      It sounds like PM Oduber is clearing everything up, just as he promised.

      He would probably not be able to do this if he did not have the help of experienced speech writing consultants on loan from the Pentagon.

    629. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 8:08 pm

      Teo, so no progress is being announced, so far?

    630. Kat on June 12th, 2005 8:08 pm

      LMAO at Booya!

    631. Ben on June 12th, 2005 8:09 pm

      anyone know what he’s saying

    632. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:09 pm

      Teo….funny??? I’m totally hot and bitchin and love surfing the waves

    633. Teo on June 12th, 2005 8:09 pm

      Kat..thats why you have to locals now translating it

      I give up

    634. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:10 pm

      Government doesn’t meddle in any investigation, according to PM.

      Government will work day and night to resolve this case.

      Whether Natalie is alive or dead by criminal means. THis last we do not even want to contemplate. God will spare Aruba’s toursim.

      Aruba gives hospitality and cooperation to media, we want to treat them as our friends, but they have to respect government.

    635. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:10 pm

      “Not to start anything, but I think it sucks out loud that he’s excluding US reporters from this.”

      He can’t handle the US media. As Arubagirl accurately points out, they are a pack of rabid dogs. To their credit though, they typically get to the truth, albeit sometimes in a detour fashion…

    636. Kat on June 12th, 2005 8:11 pm

      God will spare Aruba’s tourism??

    637. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:11 pm

      Government doesn’t meddle in any investigation, according to PM.

      Government will work day and night to resolve this case.

      Could be language barrier, but those two statements seem to conflict. :(

    638. Teo on June 12th, 2005 8:11 pm

      No, as far I understood, the body is NOT found, so they say, she may be alive or not, but still they do not know

      Remember this is the PM speaking..so I do not know what officials of the Police know

      Its more like he is appealing to the press bot national and international that the government will work this case out

    639. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 8:11 pm

      arubagirl, the PM is falling flat on his face. He is not giving us one single word of information.

    640. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:11 pm

      Hi..hheraldo hhere what are deez localzz zaying?? I’m dizcombobulated…back to my hot ancor babe in Atlanta

    641. Rick on June 12th, 2005 8:12 pm

      Oh gosh – Just as I feared… “Aruba is safe, we wish the family well, we’re working on it, come enjoy our lovely beaches”

    642. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:12 pm

      Trying to assure the tourists that this never happens in Aruba. Looks like a scene from the old Mission Impossible TV show.

    643. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:12 pm

      Don’t thin government and its institutes believe that anyone is above the law, and when tangible evidence will be had, the heaviest measurements of the law will be taken.

      We’re asking the States for patience. We know that the parents, family, etc. have a lot of a pressure on the institutes, but we must gave room for institutions to work.

      We asked the FBI for help and if we need more help we’ll ask for it.

    644. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 8:13 pm

      Have the chaperons been identified yet? Any names given?

      Deputy

    645. Kat on June 12th, 2005 8:13 pm

      Well if he isn’t reelected next year, he could always apply for a postion in the Homeland Security Dept. here.

    646. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:13 pm

      Aruba gilr-lesa me post tocante Geraldo y Nel Oduber y duna Tele Aruba of diario

    647. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 8:13 pm

      Have the chaperons been identified yet? Any names given?

      Deputy

    648. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:14 pm

      Let the FBI get the truth out of the 3 amigos. Should take about an hour.

    649. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 8:14 pm

      They won’t identify the chaperones. There is no need to.

    650. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:14 pm

      “We’re asking the States for patience. We know that the parents, family, etc. have a lot of a pressure on the institutes, but we must gave room for institutions to work.”

      THAT speaks volumes. Thanks Arubagirl, for the translation and update

    651. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:15 pm

      On this island there is no discrimantion based on race of color. Ever since the first refinary, we’ve had a natural integration of everyone.

      Our laws do not allow discrimination to happen, let no one tell you otherwise.

      Everyone should respect these lies

      I’m sure that the longer the foreign media stays on the island, they’ll see how serious we are, what has been built, how honest we are, how much has been invested, a big partnership between private sector and government, and we will only win their respect.

      We have a good relationship with the U.S.

      Those of you who are from abroad, believe that no one is above the law.

    652. Kat on June 12th, 2005 8:15 pm

      “Have the chaperons been identified yet? Any names given?”

      No. And the answer will be the same 5 minutes from now.

    653. Teo on June 12th, 2005 8:15 pm

      On this island we do not know rasicsme…everybody is welcome as long they love this rock (island Aruba)

      Our institution wont look at the colors, but following the lwa, and he is confident if the international press will stay long enough,m they will see for them self that Aruba is not what some may thnink, but that Aruba…lost it..sorry

    654. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 8:16 pm

      Rick, I can hear the sound from here of vast numbers of groups cancelling their Aruba travel plans. Sadly, the current amount of progress is not enough action by American standards.

    655. Teo on June 12th, 2005 8:16 pm

      Kat, go take a papiamento lessons and then you can call the authorithies in Aruba and ask them your questions

    656. Rick on June 12th, 2005 8:16 pm

      Former Sheriff Deputy – and every other name you use here –

      Give it a freakin’ rest, willya?

      If you believe so strongly that the so-called chaperones are at fault, then scroll back to our conversations yesterday, and call the Holiday Inn, give YOUR real name, and give them your constructive criticism without the cloak of a computer, where you can pretend to be the all-knowing Parenting Magazines Man Of The Year.

      As pointed out earlier, your constant harsh comments counter your supposed desire to ‘help people’ – you’re a psychotic hypocrite.

      Let me know if you need the HI phone number, or if youre merely a message board coward and hyporcrite.

    657. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:17 pm

      Arubans don’t think you are to blame for this. For two weeks we have been in grip, and now it’s time for life for us to get to normal

      Ending as PM, I’d like to thank the whole Aruban community, press, private sector, and to the family of the young lady NH, we tel them, we shall not rest as long as our government and institituions solve this case.

      May God give his blessings on them and on our island.

      Cocitizens, trust that our institutions will not rest until this is cause.

      Thanks for all the cooperation and have a good evening.

    658. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 8:17 pm

      when pm is finished and speech translated then we weill hear how press has misinterpreted papiamento ….
      Even Cinyon said something like “it depends on your definition of the word IS….
      All bunk, in any language
      Heads are gonna roll.

    659. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:17 pm

      A lot of nothing

    660. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 8:18 pm

      I disagree. I think the chaperons should be identified. I think they should hae an open Q&A session so people can get the true story of what they did or didn’t do.

      Deputy

    661. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:18 pm

      ‘Arubans don’t think you are to blame for this. For two weeks we have been in grip, and now it’s time for life for us to get to normal”

      Ewwwww. Not a terrific statement for the family to hear. Their lives will never be “normal.”

    662. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:18 pm

      I can’t believe I actually listened to that. Waste of bloody time.

    663. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 8:19 pm

      arubagirl and Teo, thank you very much for your excellent assistance in translating the broadcast for us.

      I guess we are astonished that there is not one single item to announce. He didn’t mention one angle or one bit of progress.

    664. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 8:19 pm

      they are no closer to finding her. I swear everytime they speak it makes it so much more frustrating. It is like taking one step foward and two steps back.

    665. Kat on June 12th, 2005 8:19 pm

      Thanks Aruba girl.

    666. Bill on June 12th, 2005 8:20 pm

      Thank you, ArubaGirl.

    667. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:20 pm

      Vota MEP

    668. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:20 pm

      Who was the speechwriter: Judge van der Sloot ?

    669. Rick on June 12th, 2005 8:20 pm

      Dallas – agreed.

      Also it seems that the probable errors in the investigation – releasing the three so soon after the initial detention, for instance, while keeping the security guards in jail – as well as the Keystone Cops “confession, no confession, body, no body, dead, not dead” – stuff, much of which was quoted by AP – is all going to blow up in their faces, exposing the government and LE as incompetent boobs that can’t guarantee anyone’s safety.

      I think you’re right – and I think Gerlado is going to call the PM on yesterday’s apparent failed promise to deliver a resolution today- and tourism from the US is going to drop off dramatically.

      At this moment, I cant imagine ANYONE planning an island trip and selecting Aruba as a destination.

      Would you?

    670. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:21 pm

      I doubt that they would tell the PM even if there was progress. I don’t think they’re on the closest of terms right now.

      Ugh, just some political grandstanding.

      Life can’t really get back to normal with this case being around us 24/7

    671. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:21 pm

      Former Sheriff’s Deputy – since you’re a “former” deputy, I guess there’s no sense in asking you if you’ve played with the lights on your cruiser lately……

    672. roy on June 12th, 2005 8:21 pm

      It’s amazing how little we know about this case and the investigation. After two weeks, one would expect more… perhaps even from leaks to the press.

      Furthermore, it seems rather bungled. Questioning three boys, arresting the security guards, then arresting the three boys, then this thing with the blood evidence that really isn’t blood, and then the police comment about one boy saying something bad happened to Natalee was retracted, the Aruba PM promising a result in 24 hours…. what the hell is going on?

      How can an 18 year old women completely vanish on a small island like that? If she is dead and was tossed in the ocean, wouldn’t the body eventually rise to the surface and be brought back in by the tidesï ¼Å¸wouldnt they need a boatï ¼Å¸

    673. NoDumbBunny on June 12th, 2005 8:22 pm

      Been lurking today – can’t stand it anymore.

      Deputy:

      My son was on a recent trip like this one booked by same company, etc. These people were NOT chaperones. They were adult advisors who PAID THEIR OWN WAY on the trip – and were ONLY available in case of emergency. Since 18 is the legal age for drinking in Aruba – I don’t think a trip to C&C constituted an emergency.

      What good would their names do now? Coulda Shoulda & Woulda don’t work in hindsight Please drop the name blame game.

      Respectfully,
      Bunny

    674. Miss B. on June 12th, 2005 8:22 pm

      i would!

    675. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:22 pm

      I’m going to have a new mantra:

      v/d Sloot is not a judge not a judge not a judge.

      dios, nami pasenshi cu e hendenan aki.

    676. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:22 pm

      Arubagirl – I know I’m a fool, but thanks for the debrief. :)

    677. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 8:22 pm

      I think each of the chaperons and the school need to be shaking in their boots. Take this to the bank — Daddy Holloway is going to bring a lawsuit against each and everyone of them.

      You heard it 1st from the Deputy!

      Deputy

    678. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:22 pm

      Sounds like Darth Oduber is leaning towrads the dark side

    679. belle star on June 12th, 2005 8:23 pm

      Deputy,
      Give it a rest. The chaperones did nothing wrong. Their obligations were understood prior to the trip and they were fulfilled!

    680. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 8:23 pm

      arubagirl, you are helping your country by providing your perspective. Your government needs to hear that this is a case that must be resolved and that your citizens and our citizens mean business about this.

    681. Kat on June 12th, 2005 8:23 pm

      I just keep picturing Barney Fife pulling that one lonely bullet out of his pocket…

    682. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 8:23 pm

      Have we heard any confirmed reports of any of the students using any drugs on the vacation? I know that — stated she was approached on the beach by the hotel but do we know what was around?

    683. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:23 pm

      A Pep Rally for the locals. I can understand they are under a lot of stress and pressure. I sure hope that something gets solved here soon. Thank you, Arubagirl for sharing what you heard.

    684. Bill on June 12th, 2005 8:24 pm

      Rick, I wouldn’t have any problem vacationing in Aruba. But then, I went to China on vacation, too. I suppose I don’t expect anyone to gurantee my safety. And Aruba is still the safest destination in the Carribean.

    685. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 8:24 pm

      aruba girl-did just”:when tangible evidence is had the heaviest msmnts of law will be taken”???

      Natalie will in that case remain a mystery.
      How sad
      Thanx for your translation and thoughts.

    686. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 8:24 pm

      Have we heard any confirmed reports of any of the students using any drugs on the vacation? I know that — stated she was approached on the beach by the hotel but do we know what was around?

    687. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:25 pm

      Booya, I think he went to the dark side that time he decided to visit Bonaire to ‘assist’ on their referendum when Ivan was coming right at us.

      Jerk.

    688. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:26 pm

      Cat, that was as ‘peppy’ as a wake. : )

    689. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:26 pm

      Sorry Arubagirl Judge in training van der Sloot.

    690. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 8:26 pm

      aruba girl-
      At least now the rest of the world knows it.

    691. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 8:27 pm

      MissyRose, we have no reports that any students used any drugs.

    692. Rick on June 12th, 2005 8:27 pm

      Bunny –

      This idiot has been posting the same tired comments here for the past three days, scolding the parents (aka ‘chaperones’), going so far as to say the parents, and I quote this psychotic a-hole, “whored out their daughter” by sending her on the trip.

      Tom, the message board admin – pulled a number of posts like that, which were from different IDs, but the same IP or email address. Apparently it’s not enough for this psycho to make his point once or even twice, but he has some urgent need to repeatedly and harshly point fingers at people without benefit of knowing a damn thing about any one of them or the circumstances of the trip.

      He’s insulted and scolded a young lady who claimed and seemed to be one of Natalee’s friends as well – this, under the pretense of ‘wanting to help’ -

      Dude – you are an A-HOLE. A massive A-HOLE. And a coward.

    693. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:27 pm

      He failed the training.

    694. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:27 pm

      :)

    695. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 8:27 pm

      Belle Star….

      If they did nothing wrong, how come they are not being named?

      Deputy

    696. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:28 pm

      Geraldo and Nel Oduber will embark on a booze cruise tonight; Geraldo’s going yo try to get Nel all liquored up with grain alcohol in order to extract information.

    697. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:28 pm

      I can’t believe people actually voted for that guy. Blech.

    698. Kat on June 12th, 2005 8:28 pm

      Give it a rest Barney. I’m sure they’re all heartsick.

    699. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:28 pm

      Rick – he just wants attention. Ignore him and he’ll go away to find others who will react to him.

    700. Rick on June 12th, 2005 8:29 pm

      Bill –

      I wouldnt feel unsafe in Aruba either..

      But, given the choice of destination in the region, I suspect that many people will go elsewhere, given this situation.

      This was definitely not the thing to do – I expect to hear some scathing commentary in the hours to come…

    701. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 8:29 pm

      Deputy, give it up. We aren’t after the chaperones. We are after the kidnappers. We want their names, and where they’ve got Natalee.

    702. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 8:29 pm

      Why do we need there names? I guess they are witholding the names because some people have to place blame on others.

    703. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:29 pm

      Booya, please, Nel’s English is barely coherent when he’s sober. God knows what’s language is goign to come out of his mouth when he’s drunk.

    704. Birminghammer on June 12th, 2005 8:29 pm

      Deputy -

      The chaperones were some of the school coaches and their wives. The MBHS website has taken down the staff directory page, but here are the top administrators. Call ‘em yourself tomorrow and ask. Now… shut up.

      Principal Dicky Barlow 414-3800

      Assistant Principals Ben Hudson 414-3800 Vic Wilson 414-3800

      Staff Development Dr. Mary Evelyn Hollaway 414-3800

    705. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 8:29 pm

      aruba girl-flu? feeling better or more sick?
      I feel sick now too

    706. Nate on June 12th, 2005 8:29 pm

      Geraldo’s next question…”Who wants a mustache ride?!”

    707. NoDumbBunny on June 12th, 2005 8:30 pm

      Thanks Rick – I saw him yesterday and the day before as well. His same tired rhetoric just absolutely made my blood BOIL.

      LOL I must be PMS-ing

      oops TMI

      :)

    708. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:30 pm

      Arubagirl-miho Nel ser su boca y laga e departamento di polis duna nan declaracion.

    709. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:30 pm

      Sick. Definitely sicker.

    710. tideroller on June 12th, 2005 8:30 pm

      The topic of chaperones, friends and parents seems to come up frequently. These are valid questions as we should all learn from Natalee’s tragic experience. I have read that there were technically no ‘chaperones’ . The seven people who were non-students were simply along ‘in case of an emergency’. This was the understanding – both students and parents were aware of this and had to sign waivers. Regarding Natalee’s parents, as a parent, myself, this is not a trip I would have allowed my child to go on, but that is my personal decision to make. I do not think it is insulting Natalee to say that she made an unwise decision. The decision has obviously had tragic consequences. That fact must be recognized so that other young girls can take heed. As for the friends, I have also read that some boys on the trip had a pushing-shoving session with Dutchboy earlier because of the way he was talking to Natalie. I have also read that friends tried to get her to NOT go off in the car with the boys. The article even stated that one athlete even told her she was NOT getting into the car, but she did anyway and waved to her classmates as she and the 3 amigos drove off. I wonder, though, with hindsight why they didn’t grab a taxi and follow them? Maybe they don’t use taxis much in Aruba, but I can’t help wondering.
      Changing the subject, I have also read that the 3 amigos had easy access to drugs, especially. Ectasy. If this is so, Ectasy combined with drinking and dancing (excercise) can be fatal. Could this be the “bad thing that happened” to Natalee? If so, could some higher ups in the drug ring want to keep this quiet and be forcing the Aruban LE to stall in order for forensic evidence to be destroyed by the time a body is found in that hot climate? Just asking on this one.

    711. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:31 pm

      Arubagirl, you decide you were sicker after the PM’s speech? :)

    712. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:31 pm

      Nel gewoon no mester papia, nunca.

      Goddamn police and prosecution, open your mouths.

    713. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:31 pm

      Maybe the reality of losing American and Canadian tourists will jolt the authorities into getting this case resolved.

    714. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:32 pm

      oh yeah. He’s given me a headache.

    715. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 8:32 pm

      Rick,

      I did not do the things you claimed I did. Maybe someone used my ID.

      For the record, I never said “”whored out their daughter” or scolded one of her friends.

      Deputy

    716. cautivo on June 12th, 2005 8:32 pm

      As soon as the more florid media organizations refocus on the Michael Jackson trial, the story will not be so much a topic of conversation in the US.

      And Americans are making plans to visit Aruba, in fact, traffic is up.

      There may be some reluctance on the part of vacationers of color, but the bulk of visitors to these resort islands, Aruba included, have not traditionally been “ethnic minorities” anyway.

      Cliff Notes version, show is over, nothing to see here, move along. The FBI is on site, they are managing the situation, and that knowledge should be a great comfort to Americans.

    717. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:32 pm

      “The topic of chaperones, friends and parents seems to come up frequently. These are valid questions as we should all learn from Natalee’s tragic experience. ”

      Learn, yes. Valid questions of character for those poor folks? Definitely not.

    718. Booyakasha on June 12th, 2005 8:34 pm

      Hi dizz izz hheraldo with Foxzz newzz…a swimmer in Aruba wazz attacked by a Great White szahrk today, but it doezn’t appear to be related to the invezztigation. Now back to you.

    719. arubagirl on June 12th, 2005 8:35 pm

      Leslie, we do want this thing solved as quickly as possible, trust me. Not like we’re enjoying this.

    720. MissyRose on June 12th, 2005 8:35 pm

      Well all I am taking a break. FOXNEWs is having special live from Aruba at 9pm. I am going to watch it. Not that we can believe any of it. Keep the news coming.

    721. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:37 pm

      The more time it takes to find the body – the less evidence to determine the cause of death. I can figure out their story now. Natalee had an overdose of booze and drugs – accidental death – no murder. I will not believe it but can see the 3 amigos walking from this one. Truly sad.

    722. bengalbaby on June 12th, 2005 8:38 pm

      Rick..that was Ronald…last night….with the ‘whoring out their daughter”… unless Ronald is…deputy

    723. belle star on June 12th, 2005 8:38 pm

      arubagirl,
      Thanks for all you are doing! Your insight is helpful – although it seems you need to leave your computer and head the investigation!! We might get a little closer to an end then!

    724. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 8:38 pm

      Aruba girl-
      Booya,too
      You know the press is gonna tear the police apart left and right.
      The whole world is watching. Maybe a break if jackson verdict comes in…
      Get used to it for a while

      btw
      Do you knw Rafa

    725. Rick on June 12th, 2005 8:38 pm

      Cautivo –

      I disagree. The statistics you are looking at are for bookings that were already made, either prior to or through today.

      Going forward, I don’t believe that tourism to Aruba will be up, I dont believe it will be flat – I expect it will sharply decline, especially once the media shitstorm over the handling of this case and the (mis)treatment of the Holloway family emerges.

      If you watch Geraldo’s heartbreaking interview with the family – you can believe that is the tip of the iceberg. There’ll be more on CNN, 60 Minutes, Dateline, international media, etc – it’s a ‘good’ story for the press, and it will not go away anytime soon.

      When the PM is confronted with yesterday’s promise of resolution, it’s certainly not going to help, and the repeated cries of “Aruba is a wonderful tourist spot, murders of young girls hardly ever happen. Really” – is just going to infuriate people..

      I honestly cannot imagine anyone now visiting Aruba from the US with so many other destinations available, and ready to take advantage of Aruba’s self-inflicted bad fortune…

    726. O J Simpson on June 12th, 2005 8:39 pm

      The stupid n!gger loving white bitch got what she deserved!!!!!!

    727. Nate on June 12th, 2005 8:39 pm

      Unfortunately, if she is gone, unless she was buried or in one of those caves there probably won’t be much of a body at this point….

    728. Bill on June 12th, 2005 8:40 pm

      The photo at the top of this Web page should be adopted as Aruba PM logo.

    729. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:40 pm

      Reminder, best not to feed the trolls. Just report!

    730. golden on June 12th, 2005 8:41 pm

      I think the deputy has a drinking problem.

    731. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 8:42 pm

      Former LEO,
      The students/parents all signed waivers that indicated these were not ‘chaperones’, absolving them from culpability/liability. Do you think that these waivers will not hold up in a civil trial?

      You need to go after the PLANNERS of this event.

    732. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:42 pm

      “If you watch Geraldo’s heartbreaking interview with the family – you can believe that is the tip of the iceberg. There’ll be more on CNN, 60 Minutes, Dateline, international media, etc – it’s a ‘good’ story for the press, and it will not go away anytime soon.”

      I just confirmed this via subscription news to several of the journalism sites I frequent, with most tv and cable media sending investigative news crews beginning tomorrow.

    733. friend of mickey john on June 12th, 2005 8:43 pm

      fox news is doing a very imp sprecial NOW
      on the Tushegee Airmen from world war two.

      Aruba girl-are you hearing more music tonight?

    734. ridethedutchie on June 12th, 2005 8:43 pm

      CASE SOLVED

      WHAT REALLY HAPPENED: HOLLOWAY AFTER TAKING A FEW DRINKS ; LATER ON STARTED MAKING LOVE TO A HANSOM GUY; AND TO COMPLETE HER NIGHT SHE TOOK SOME COCAINE ; THIS RESULTED IN RIGOR MORTIS THE BOYS PANICKED ; WITH THEM BEING YOUNG AND THEIR REPUTATIONS TO PROTECT THEY GOT SCARED AND GOT RID OF THE BODY: IN CONNECTION WITH THIS THEY ARE LOOKING FOR AN OTHER PERSON WHO PRESUMABLY IS A DRUGSDEALER:

    735. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:43 pm

      You need to go after the persons who committed the crime.

    736. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:43 pm

      Bill – Heh. See no evil… ;)

    737. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 8:44 pm

      Kipster,

      Why do you keep addressing everything to me as “Former LEO”?

      Deputy

    738. roy on June 12th, 2005 8:44 pm

      There is a good possibility that drugs played a roll in her death and the three young punks got scared.

    739. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:45 pm

      Leslie… First we have to find out WHO those persons are who committed a crime.

    740. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:45 pm

      Former Deputy = Former LEO (Law Enforcement Officer)

    741. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:45 pm

      Katie Couric interviewing Natalee’s mother on Today tomorrow morning….

    742. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:45 pm

      L.E.O.

      Law Enforcement Officer

    743. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 8:46 pm

      LEO=Law Enforcement Officer

    744. Nate on June 12th, 2005 8:46 pm

      Hey! I’m a LEO! Born Aug 20!

    745. Dallas Also on June 12th, 2005 8:46 pm

      There is no evidence that Natalee is gone, there is nothing to say that she is dead.

      Rick, you are correct. Aruba must get an answer very quickly now, or their tourism will dry up as they can never imagine. We are very children-centric in this country.

      If the PM didn’t have answers, then the Chief of Police should have been the one doing the talking tonight.

    746. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:46 pm

      Roy.. at this point, the possibilities seem to be endless.

    747. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 8:47 pm

      Interesting you didn’t know that one Deputy, hmm

    748. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:47 pm

      “Interesting you didn’t know that one Deputy, hmm”

      I thought the very same thing ;)

    749. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:49 pm

      RB…. Only us CIA types know that. ;)

    750. IDontKnowNuttinAndKnowMoreThanYou! on June 12th, 2005 8:49 pm

      Tell ‘em Barney. They just got to nip it! Nip it! Nip it!

    751. Rick on June 12th, 2005 8:49 pm

      RB – Are you in the media? IIRC, you too were in TX? We should chat at some point…

      After seeing the PM yesterday and reading his words today, and after the conflicting statements from Dompig (sp?) and the head of Law Enforcement there, I expect they’re going to be internationally humiliated by the media now. And unfortunately, it seems it will be deserved.

      Yes, that huge flush you heard was tens of millions of dollars of island tourist revenue vanishing…

      Taking the three – separating them, administering lie detector tests when they were first detained – would likely have solved this, one would think…

    752. Former Sheriff's Deputy on June 12th, 2005 8:49 pm

      Didn’t think of it in that context. I thought, LEO, LEO the lion. COuldn’t figure why you were calling me that.

      Deputy

    753. golden on June 12th, 2005 8:50 pm

      Interesting you didn’t know that one Deputy, hmm

      He’s drunk and not very bright. LEO at it’s finest.

    754. Nate on June 12th, 2005 8:50 pm

      Cat..shhhhhh…don’t give away our secrets!

    755. Tom on June 12th, 2005 8:50 pm

      I am going to move this comment post over in the typical 5 minutes

    756. Rob on June 12th, 2005 8:50 pm

      hey kip… so i take it there is no new info….

    757. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:50 pm

      Cat, send Kipster the “Great Minds” memo….apparently he/she is CIA too.

    758. Kipster on June 12th, 2005 8:51 pm

      Up against the wall Deputy, hands behind your back, interlace your fingers. You’re under arrest for impersonating a law enforcement officer. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT!!!

    759. cautivo on June 12th, 2005 8:51 pm

      Rick, with all due respect, I believe that you are overestimating the attention span of the US mainstream, and at the same time underestimating their common sense.

      Ten thousand Americans go missing abroad every month. It is true that this particular incident, for reasons best known to the involved parties, is the subject of a more intense than usual level of US involvement, but I think that you can be sure that this is not the focus of most Americans’ interest.

      My perception is that it is seen as a tragic event, and while people sincerely feel for the family, there are many many young people who visit Aruba and other islands every day, and return home safely.

      If you will visit the Aruba travel boards, you will see that the bulk of the discussion does indeed relate to people making plans to visit Aruba, and Natalee is not discussed. There was one that permitted the topic, but soon deleted all posts and closed the forum.

      Now I will not speculate on internal Aruba politics, nor any domestic sequelae that may or may not occur as a result of the continued imprisonment of Mickey and Abraham, but I honestly do not think that a single criminal incident will frighten the thousands of singles, couples, and families who choose Aruba as a vacation destination.

      If anything, some school groups may send their high school seniors to Curacao next year instead, but that will be about it.

      I will remind you again that the Jackson jury begins its second full week of deliberations tomorrow, and as soon as that story concludes, I think you will find that Washington will provide Geraldo and ilk with all the news they can eat, at least for a few weeks.

    760. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:52 pm

      Roger that, RB! :)

    761. Leslie Sprenger on June 12th, 2005 8:52 pm

      The things people do when they think they are above the law. Commit a crime, blame it on the usual suspects and then lie thru their teeth. I guess they didn’t factor in the family, media and FBI descending on the island and shaking up their colonial ways. Natalee’s mother is one strong lady.

    762. Rob on June 12th, 2005 8:53 pm

      wow lots of typing….

    763. Robert J. on June 12th, 2005 8:53 pm

      CALLING ARUBA ~~

      QUESTIONS:

      (5a) Is there a lagoon or wetland INLAND of Hadicurari?

      (5B) Has it been searched? Along shores? With boats?

    764. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:53 pm

      “RB – Are you in the media? IIRC, you too were in TX? We should chat at some point…”

      Not TX, I work in the Nation’s capital.

    765. AmericaninAruba on June 12th, 2005 8:53 pm

      Aruba Girl I really think you should be ashamed in those comments to your own PM…even if you didnt vote for him he is your sountrys rep and hes doing a damn fine job…becuase its because of him FBI got their and also because of him were getting more newsd because none of those polive men were giving any informatiuon at all and apparently the Van Straten guy is very good freinds w/ V/D Sloot …V/D/ Sloot was his boss before he went to study for Judge…and it was the PM that removed that caren jansen and putthat vivian because he wasnt too convinced with those two dutch in charge because they hadnt jailed the 3 young men and its thanks too him for coming home earlier that supposed to from his triop to the US and he bu Vivian in charge that these 3 boys are even incarcerated because if he hadnt done that and staye din the US these boys might still be free if it were up to those other 2

    766. Robert J. on June 12th, 2005 8:54 pm

      CALLING ARUBA ~~

      QUESTIONS:

      (5a) Is there a lagoon or wetland INLAND of Hadicurari?

      (5B) Has it been searched? Along shores? With boats?

      [ Apparently the lagoon or wetland is on the road to/from ARASHI BEACH.. ]

    767. Catriana on June 12th, 2005 8:54 pm

      cautivo…. Good points. I asked my daughter on the phone today if she had been watching the case in Aruba. She said, what case??

      :(

    768. RB on June 12th, 2005 8:54 pm

      “Natalee is not discussed. There was one that permitted the topic, but soon deleted all posts and closed the forum.”

      Then that thread just got closed today, as it was there last night.

    769. roy on June 12th, 2005 8:54 pm

      Catriana…

      “Roy.. at this point, the possibilities seem to be endless.”

      You’re not wrong with the little information that is available.

      But hypothetically, let’s say the Dutch boy and his two friends gave her some drugs, he/they had sex with her, she overdoses b/c of too much alcohol mixed with drugs, they panic and decide to get rid of the body. Would these three be clever enough in their state of mind to get rid of the body without leaving a shred of evidence? I think there maybe other conspirators, older more methodical. Was the father of the Dutch boy in Aruba at the time that Natalee went missing? To get rid of the body in the ocean, wouldn’t they need a boat?

    770. Rob on June 12th, 2005 8:56 pm

      im totally shocked…. a 17 yr old.. runs loops around the fbi…. who could have seen this coming….this is the same bunch of agents that are protecting us from terrorist… now im worried….not too sound cynical…. hahahahahahahahaa!!!!!!!!!

    771. WoodGuy on June 12th, 2005 8:56 pm

      “ArubaGirl”..Thank you for translating and filling us all on on reports from the island.

      “Deputy Make Believe” ….why are you so concerned with the chaperones names??? Do you want to write them a letter and tell them what a good “commie” daddy you are. Or tell them that your kids have probably been locked in a closet their whole life listening to your self righteosness and bragging.

    772. Tom on June 12th, 2005 8:56 pm

      The comments are moving over to this post

      http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1123#comments

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