HOW WILL THE IRS REACT TO BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A FEDERAL DEMAND?
Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court in Washington has ordered the IRS to explain under oath how former IRS employee Lois Lerner’s emails went missing. Do you mean a federal judge will not except the excuse, that the dog ate my hard drive? Imagine that, Lois Lerner warned IRS employee’s what they put in their emails and then her’s miraculously disappeared. Yup, not a smidgen of corruption here.
A federal judge on Thursday ordered the IRS to detail under oath how some of former agency official Lois Lerner’s emails went missing, as well as any potential methods for recovering them.
Judge Emmet Sullivan of the U.S. District Court in Washington gave the Internal Revenue Service exactly a month — until Aug. 10 — to file a report, which he demanded as part of a lawsuit from a conservative watchdog, Judicial Watch, against the agency.
Judicial Watch is seeking a wide range of documents from the IRS, including Lerner’s emails, as part of a Freedom of Information Act request. It has complained that the IRS didn’t tell it that the agency couldn’t recover all of Lerner’s emails from 2009 to 2011.
Sullivan cast his ruling as a compromise, and a potential way for Judicial Watch to get answers without the court wading any deeper into the matter. Judicial Watch had asked the court to potentially compel IRS officials to testify about the lost emails, through a process called limited discovery.
IRS Worker Suspended for 100 Days Without Pay for Violating the Hatch Act For Urging Callers to Reelect Barack Obama
Yet another black eye for the IRS and the out of control rogue agency showing that it acts as a political agency …
The U.S. Office of Special Counsel has announced that an IRS employee, who has not been named, was suspended 100 days without pay for “repeatedly” trying to urge callers to reelect Barack Obama in 2012. The IRS employee violated the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees from either running as candidates or soliciting contributions and promoting candidates for political office while they’re on duty and in a federal workplace. Hmm, not fired eh? Just a slap on the wrist and just curious,why wasn’t the individuals name revealed? However, this is actually more of a punishment than anyone has been given for IRS-gate and their illegal targeting of conservative non-profit and Tea Party organizations.
Who thinks we are starting to see a pattern here that the IRS was a reelect campaign vehicle for Barack Obama?
An IRS help line worker has been suspended for 100 days without pay for urging callers to reelect President Barack Obama in 2012, the U.S. Office of Special Counsel announced on Thursday.
The employee, who was not named, “acknowledged that he had used his authority and influence as an IRS customer service representative for a political purpose and did so while at work,” according to a news release from the ethics watchdog agency.
The “complaint alleged that, when fielding taxpayers’ questions on an IRS customer service help line, the employee repeatedly urged taxpayers to reelect President Obama in 2012 by delivering a chant based on the spelling of the employee’s last name,” according to the release.
IRS Employee Agrees to 100 – day Suspension for Hatch Act Violations
In June 2014, OSC entered into a settlement agreement with an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) employee who
agreed to a 100 – day unpaid suspension for violating the Hatch Act. The agreement resolves a formal Hatch Act
complaint that OSC filed with the Board in April 2014. OSC’s complaint alleged that, when fielding taxpayers’ questions
on an IRS customer service help line, the employee repeatedly urged taxpayers to reelect President Obama in 2012 by
delivering a chant based on the spelling of the employee’s last name. In the settlement agreement resolving the
complaint, the IRS employee acknowledged that he had used his authority and influence as an IRS customer service
representative for a political purpose and did so while at work.
Rep. Charles Boustany (R-LA) blasted the IRS following this latest revelation of the agency acting as a political tool of the Obama White House calling the IRS “totally out of control.”
“This latest development exposes a culture that tolerates or even encourages politically motivated activities, contrary to the agency’s mission and purpose,” he said in a statement. “This is inexcusable. If the IRS wishes to preserve what little credibility it has with the American people, they will immediately terminate this employee and conduct a thorough internal review into this matter.”
Hmm … Appears that Lois Lerner May Have Printed Out Some Emails Afterall As GOP Cries Foul That She Attempted to Circumvent Internal Communications from Congress
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive. Funny thing about lies, its hard to keep them straight all of the time.
Not only have we now learned that former IRS employee Lois Lerner did print out some emails after all, she also appears to have made a concerted effort to intentionally bypass retention policies in order to keep information from Congress. Imagine that. From The Politico comes, Lois Lerner cautioned against email chatter amid lawmaker probes.
Ask yourself, why would some ask such a question as to whether OCS messages are saved?
Former IRS official Lois Lerner said she warned her colleagues to be careful about what they write in emails amid congressional inquiries, according to new emails released by House Oversight Republicans.
She also asked whether the IRS’s internal messaging system could be searched, in the same email to an IRS colleague. It was sent April 9, 2013, less than two weeks after the IRS inspector general that unearthed the tea party targeting practice shared a draft report with the agency.
“I was cautioning folks about email and how we have had several occasions where Congress has asked for emails and there has been an electronic search for responsive emails — so we need to be cautious about what we say in emails,” she wrote to Maria Hooke, the director of business systems planning for the tax-exempt division. “Someone asked if OCS conversations were also searchable — I don’t know. … Do you know?”
File this one under, tell me something we do not already know … OBAMA IS THE WORST PRESIDENT!
According to a new Quinnipiac University poll, Americans say that Obama is the worst post-WWII president of them all. It would appear that Barack Obama is not the one that “we’ve been waiting for”, actually far from it. Just think, Obama is already at the bottom of the list and his presidency is not even over, sadly. Look for this poll number to go down even further as the US economy continues to struggle, the Middle East continues in turmoil and the scandals mount. Ronald Reagan is far and away considered the best president. What does it say when a current sitting US president is considered worse than Richard Nixon, who had to resign and leave office in disgrace because of “Watergate” before he was impeached? Had it not been for a liberal media refusing to dig deeper in to the all too numerous Obama administration scandals like a Woodward and Bernstein, Obama would have a 20% approval rating and been impeached.
Not only do Americans say that Obama is the worst post-WWII president, they also have “buyer’s remorse” as 45% of voters say that America would be better off had Mitt Romney been elected president in 2012, while 38% believe the country would be worse off. This includes independent voters 47 – 33, who wish they could get a Mulligan and have a do-over to elect Romney. Hot Air opines, “If independents have double-digit buyer’s remorse from 2012, that suggests a strong desire to make up for their earlier mistake.”
President Barack Obama is the worst president since World War II, 33 percent of American voters say in a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today. Another 28 percent pick President George W. Bush.
Ronald Reagan is the best president since WWII, 35 percent of voters say, with 18 percent for Bill Clinton, 15 percent for John F. Kennedy and 8 percent for Obama, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds. Among Democrats, 34 percent say Clinton is the best president, with 18 percent each for Obama and Kennedy.
Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, 39 percent of voters say, while 40 percent say he is worse. Men say 43 – 36 percent that Obama is worse than Bush while women say 42 – 38 percent he is better. Obama is worse, Republicans say 79 – 7 percent and independent voters say 41 – 31 percent. Democrats say 78 – 4 percent that he is better.
My list of worst post WWII presidents would be as follows: 1) Barack Obama, 2) Jimmy Carter, 3) Gerald Ford, although not sure if he should even count, 4) Richard Nixon, 5) LBJ 6) Bill Clinton, 7) GWB, 8) GHWB, 9) JFK, 10) Eisenhower. Ronald Reagan and Harry S Truman would not even get a vote to be on this list.
I would actually go one further, Obama may just be the worst president since WWI. Hell, for that fact Obama is the worst president since The Revolutionary War of American Independence.
59% Blame Barack Obama For Crisis of Flood Of Child Border Crossings & 65% Believe Lost IRS Emails Are Attempt by Obama Administration to “Hide Evidence”
Obama can’t blame GWB for this one as the public points the finger directly at The One … More damning poll numbers for Barack Obama.
It’s only taken six failed years but the American people are finally holding Barack Obama accountable for his actions and scandals. According to a recent IBD/TIPP Poll released Monday, “We the People” say that Obama is directly responsible for the crisis on the US-Mexican border as thousands of children attempt to cross the border, the lost IRS emails are part of a greater Obama administration cover up and Obama’s premature withdraw from Iraq has caused the current state of unstable affairs. By a 59% to 39% margin, Americans believe that Barack Obama’s policies lead directly to the child humanitarian crisis on our Southern border.Now that Obama has created the crisis, he now wants to appear like he is going to come to the rescue.
Also, by an overwhelming 65% to 27%, Americans believe that the lost IRS emails are part of an Obama administration cover-up. This would mean that a large majority of Americans believe criminal activity to place to cover up IRS-gate. This is consistent with two other polls, a Rasmussen poll that stated 71% believed the lost emails were part of a cover up and a Fox News poll that revealed that 76% believe the IRS intentionally lost the emails.
We don’t have two rogue agents at the IRS, we have a rogue Obama presidency.
The public largely blames President Obama for the flood of children who have poured over the border in recent weeks, creating a growing humanitarian crisis, according to the latest IBD/TIPP Poll released Monday.
The late June survey found that the public largely blames Obama policies for the crisis in Iraq and believes the lost IRS emails are an administration effort to cover up wrongdoing at the agency.
The poll found that 59% of those closely following the immigration crisis agree that “current administration policies and lack of focus on securing the border” are behind the human tide of illegal crossings. Six in 10 say that the children should be ordered to leave the country. (The survey found that 73% of Americans are following this story closely.)
As American Power says … The American People are not going to take it anymore!!! Amen. It is about time the American people have woke up and noticed that Obama is a community agitator, an abject failure, inept and corrupt. As Dee Snyder and Twisted Sister sang in the 1980′s … ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It.’
“We’re Not Gonna Take It”
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
WE’VE GOT THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE AND
THERE AIN’T NO WAY WE’LL LOSE IT
THIS IS OUR LIFE, THIS IS OUR SONG
WE’LL FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE JUST
DON’T PICK OUR DESTINY ‘CAUSE
YOU DON’T KNOW US, YOU DON’T BELONG
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
OH YOU’RE SO CONDESCENDING
YOUR GALL IS NEVER ENDING
WE DON’T WANT NOTHIN’, NOT A THING FROM YOU
YOUR LIFE IS TRITE AND JADED
BORING AND CONFISCATED
IF THAT’S YOUR BEST, YOUR BEST WON’T DO
Rasmussen: 71% of Voters Believe the IRS Deliberately Destroyed E-mails to Hide Guilt of Criminal Activity
According to a recent Rasmussen poll, a remarkably 71% of voters believe that the IRS deliberately and willfully destroyed emails related to IRS-gate and the targeting of Tea Party and other conservative groups to hide evidence of criminal activity. Only 22% believe the IRS did not break the law, while 4% were undecided. It is fair to say that this polling is a resounding condemnation against the IRS that crosses all political parties. How bad is it when a government agency like the IRS is believed to play partisan politics and cannot be trusted?
Think about this, more than 7 in 10 individuals surveyed believe that the IRS committed a criminal activity in destruction of property and obstruction of justice to hide the guilt of their even greater criminal activity as a Democrat party ignores it and Barack Obama calls it a phoney scandal. This should be chilling for all Americans.
Most voters think it’s likely the IRS deliberately destroyed e-mails about its investigations of Tea Party and other conservative groups to hide its criminal behavior. Two-out-of-three now believe IRS employees involved in these investigations should be jailed or fired, and most suspect the agency of targeting other political opponents of the Obama administration.
As we are reminded by Real Clear Politics, a recent Fox News poll found similar results, 76% of voters surveyed believed that ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s emails were deliberately destroyed. The distrust in the IRS was spread across all parties, including 90% of Republicans, 74% of Independents and 63% of Democrats. Only 12% of respondents believe the emails were accidently destroyed.
It gets better, these are the folks in charge of enforcing Obamacare. How’s that “Hopey-Changey” stuff working out for ya America?
CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley Interview of Lois Lerner’s Attorney William Taylor III … He Actually Made it Worse, “I get that it’s convenient to create suspicion”.
So let’s understand this, Lois Lerner pleads the 5th, yet her attorney goes on the liberal media to speak for her?
William Taylor III, former IRS employee Lois Lerner’s attorney, went on CNN this Sunday in an interview on ‘State of the Union’ with Candy Crowley and actually made matters worse. His client has decided not to testify in front of Congress as she Plead her Fifth and applied her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. So then why do we need to hear anything from her attorney? If Lerner and her missing emails does not have the honor to tell what happened and her involvement in the IRS scandal of targeting conservative non-profit groups, then we really do not need to hear spin from an attorney. Hey Lois, Put up or shut up! Her mouth piece tried to divert the story by saying, “There’s 2,000 e-mail crashes – there’s 2,000 computer crashes in the IRS since January 1 of this year.” However, when asked by Crowley whether all of the computer crashes were irretrievable, he had no idea. And their lies the rub. Let’s look into those 2000 email crashes, other than the ones that are connected to IRS-gate and see how the IRS handled those. What a novel concept.
TAYLOR: There’s 2,000 e-mail crashes – there’s 2,000 computer crashes in the IRS since January 1 of this year. It’s no – it’s not…
CROWLEY: Are all of them irretrievable?
TAYLOR: I don’t know, but I…
Then Taylor stated that Lois Lerner was upset as anybody when she walked into the office and her screen was blue, having lost all her emails. They called the IT guys in but never bothered to contact the tape retrieval back up? Hmm, then why so silent Lois? If you were so upset and have nothing to hide and have done nothing wrong, why plead the 5th, not once … but twice?
Attorney William Taylor III then channeled his inner Hillary Clinton and blames a “vast Right Wing conspiracy” for Lois Lerner’s emails. He had the nerve to say that the GOP was politicizing IRS-gate when the reality is this IRS scandal took place to fix an election. Lerner and the IRS contributed in the swaying of an election in 2012 and now her lawyer says she will not be a political, election year scapegoat. Seriously? Taylor said his client did nothing wrong and did not violate the paperwork – federal paperwork law. Oops, then Taylor said, “She printed out some things, not others.” Hey dude, you don’t get to pick and choose with the federal law of backing up emails.
TAYLOR: He called me – he called me one, too. And I won’t respond to that, except that – except to say he’s wrong.
It’s convenient. This is an election-year politics. It’s convenient to have a demon that they can create and point to. Let me tell you something basic about this. People who want to give money to elections and do so in a tax-free way have to submit themselves to the scrutiny of the IRS to be sure that they’re complying with the rules that limit political activity.
If the IRS is not looking at political activity in the (c)(4) applications, which is what this is, they’re not doing what they’re supposed to be doing. So, it’s like saying they’re examining us for political activity, when that’s exactly the criteria that they’re submitting for their applications.
CROWLEY: Did your client violate the paperwork – federal paperwork law?
TAYLOR: No. She did exactly what the IRS required that she do.
CROWLEY: But she didn’t back up her e-mails, which was IRS – you’re supposed to print out things.
TAYLOR: She printed out some things, not others. You can’t print out hundreds of thousands of e-mails. We will be back – we will be back to the days…
TAYLOR: Well, it’s not just what she said. The record that was created at the time in terms of e-mails is undisputed.
She walked into the office one day, and her screen went blue. She asked for help in restoring it. And the I.T. people came and attempted to restore it. They even went so far as to send it to another expert to try to restore the e-mails.
There’s 2,000 e-mail crashes – there’s 2,000 computer crashes in the IRS since January 1 of this year. It’s no – it’s not…
CROWLEY: Are all of them irretrievable?
TAYLOR: I don’t know, but I…
CROWLEY: I think that’s what is sort of blowing people’s minds, is, we get it that computers crash. But to then say, you know what, we couldn’t get it, and so then we shredded the hard drive, you know, as an attorney, that that’s one of the things you would pounce on and go whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
TAYLOR: But, you know, you do the best you can under the circumstances. Nobody was thinking about trying to keep anything from being discovered.
She was as upset as anybody else was about the loss of the e-mails and the other documents which were on there, which were quite important to her. But the truth is, this – this was one of those things that happened. At the time, she did everything she could to retrieve it. She reported it right away, and that’s the story. That’s all there is to it.
Lois Lerner Email: IRS Official Looked to Audit Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) … Or Could It Have Been the The Non-Profit Org Who Issued the Invitation?
AGENTS AGENCY …
House Ways and Means Committee investigators have uncovered emails from former IRS official Lois “I plead the 5th” Lerner that sought to audit Republican Senator Charles Grassley. Grassley said. “It’s very troubling that a simple clerical mix-up could get a taxpayer immediately referred for an IRS exam without any due diligence from agency officials.” Actually, what might be even more troubling is that the head of the IRS nonprofit department did not know the guidelines or law, but wanted to presume guilty first.
House Ways and Means Press Release: REVEALED: GOP Senator Targeted by Lerner: Ways and Means investigation uncovers push to audit Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Today, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-MI) announced the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) targeting of conservative individuals includes a sitting United States Senator. According to emails reviewed by the Committee under its Section 6103 authority, which allows the Committee to review confidential taxpayer information, Lois Lerner sought to have Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) referred for IRS examination.
“We have seen a lot of unbelievable things in this investigation, but the fact that Lois Lerner attempted to initiate an apparently baseless IRS examination against a sitting Republican United States Senator is shocking,” said Camp. “At every turn, Lerner was using the IRS as a tool for political purposes in defiance of taxpayer rights. We may never know the full extent of the abuse since the IRS conveniently lost two years of Lerner emails, not to mention those of other key figures in this scandal. The fact that DOJ refuses to investigate the IRS’s abuses or appoint a special counsel demonstrates, yet again, this Administration’s unwillingness to uphold the rule of law.”
Congressional investigators say they uncovered emails Wednesday showing that a former Internal Revenue Service official at the heart of the tea party investigation sought an audit involving a Republican senator in 2012.
The emails show former IRS official Lois Lerner mistakenly received an invitation to an event that was meant to go to Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.
The event organizer apparently offered to pay for Grassley’s wife to attend the event. In an email to another IRS official, Lerner suggests referring the matter for an audit, saying it might be inappropriate for the group to pay for his wife.
“Perhaps we should refer to exam?” Lerner wrote.
It was unclear from the emails whether Lerner was suggesting that Grassley or the group be audited — or both.
The other IRS official, Matthew Giuliano, waved her off, saying an audit would be premature because Grassley hadn’t even accepted the invitation.
“It would be Grassley who would need to report the income,” Giuliano said.
Powerline brings up an interesting interpretation of the emails that could very well be plausible as well. After all, Lois Lerner has been accused of targeting conservative non-profit and Tea Party groups.
JOHN adds: I don’t think Lerner meant to have Grassley investigated, but rather the nonprofit organization that issued the speaking invitation. It is helpful to see the emails. This is the one Lois Lerner sent after mistakenly receiving the invitation that was directed to Senator Grassley.
Note that Lerner doesn’t seem to know much about tax law. There is nothing “inappropriate” about the group that sponsored the seminar offering to pay Mrs. Grassley’s way. But when Lerner suggests that the matter should be “refer[red] to Exam,” I think she is pretty clearly talking about the section of the IRS for which she has responsibility, i.e., nonprofit organizations. The inappropriateness, if any, would be on the part of the organization, not Grassley.
In any event, not a smidgen of corruption.
IRS Admits Illegally Leaking Confidential “National Organization of Marriage” Information That Was Used Against Mitt Romney in 2012 Elections
UNREAL … BUSTED!!! MORE ILLEGAL GOINGS-ON AT THE IRS … AND THIS IS THE AGENCY IN CHARGE OF ENFORCING OBAMACARE.
More IRS corruption … The IRS was forced to admit this week to leaking the National Organization for Marriage‘s confidential information to far left groups, the Human Rights Campaign. The Daily Signal is reporting that the Internal Revenue Service has admitted wrongdoing and agreed to settle the resulting lawsuit for illegally releasing confidential tax return and donor list of the National Organization of Marriage, a national group opposed to redefining marriage.
The IRS will pay the National Organization for Marriage $50,000. That’s it? Was anyone fired? How about jail?
Two years after activists for same-sex marriage obtained the confidential tax return and donor list of a national group opposed to redefining marriage, the Internal Revenue Service has admitted wrongdoing and agreed to settle the resulting lawsuit.
The Daily Signal has learned that, under a consent judgment today, the IRS agreed to pay $50,000 in damages to the National Organization for Marriage as a result of the unlawful release of the confidential information to a gay rights group, the Human Rights Campaign, that is NOM’s chief political rival.
“Congress made the disclosure of confidential tax return information a serious matter for a reason,” NOM Chairman John D. Eastman told The Daily Signal. “We’re delighted that the IRS has now been held accountable for the illegal disclosure of our list of major donors from our tax return.”
The Daily Signal is seeking comment on the settlement from the IRS and Justice Department.
Oh the sick irony. The IRS will pay the National Organization for Marriage $50,000 of our own money.
NOM said that an investigation revealed that its 2008 tax return and list of major donors was released to Matthew Meisel, a gay activist in Boston, MA. Email correspondence from Meisel revealed that he told a colleague that he had “a conduit” to obtain NOM’s confidential information. While testifying under oath in a deposition in the litigation, Meisel invoked the 5th Amendment against self-incrimination and refused to disclose the identity of his conduit. Documents obtained during the litigation prove that Meisel then provided NOM’s tax data to the Human Rights Campaign (whose president was a national Co-Chair of the Obama Reelection Campaign). The information was also published by the Huffington Post.
“While we are very pleased that the IRS has been exposed as being responsible for this leak of our confidential information to our political opponents, we believe the IRS may still be hiding information from the American people,” Eastman said. “We have called on the Attorney General to grant Matthew Meisel immunity from prosecution so that we can force him to disclose the identity of his conduit . We urge the Congress to explore this issue with the appropriate government officials. It’s imperative that all those who have engaged in corrupt practices and illegal acts in the IRS be identified and held accountable.”
Fox News Poll: 76% of Voters Think the IRS Deliberately Destroyed Lois Lerner Emails … Just 12% Believe It Was an Accident
DAMNING OBAMA/IRS POLLING …
According to the most recent FOX News poll, an amazing 76% of voters believe that the Internal Revenue Service deliberately and purposely destroyed Lois Lerner’s emails. Only 12% believe in the Tooth Fairy and think it was an accident. Another 12% are unsure and are too bust watching “Here Cones Honey Boo Boo”. The 76% of those who believe the IRS acted deliberately its includes 74% of Independents and an incredible 63% of Democrats. What does this mean? As much as the White House has called IRS-gate a phony scandal and a GOP conspiracy, the American people are not buying it. “We the People” think that it was deliberate and a crime was committed and there was a purposeful destruction of property.
Full poll can be read HERE.
PHONY CONSPIRACY, EH?
The consensus is: it’s no accident. More than three-quarters of voters — 76 percent — think the emails missing from the account of Lois Lerner, the ex-IRS official at the center of the scandal over targeting of conservative groups, were deliberately destroyed.
That suspicion is shared across party lines, albeit to varying degrees. An overwhelming 90 percent of Republicans think the emails were intentionally destroyed, as do 74 percent of independents and 63 percent of Democrats.
Furthermore, Democrats and Barack Obama have tried their best, along with the lap dog liberal media to make this scandal go away. Partisan Democrats have called the investigation, silly, political and a waste of time. The liberal MSM has pretty much refused to cover the story. However, according to the FOX News poll, 74% think that Congress should continue to investigate the IRS in their targeting of conservative and Tea Party non-profit groups. This includes 65% of Independents and 66% of Democrats.
This latest wrinkle in the IRS targeting of certain groups, including hundreds with “Tea Party” in their name, has increased voter interest in Congress investigating the matter.
Some 74 percent of voters now say lawmakers should investigate the IRS “until someone is held accountable,” up from 67 percent who felt that way in April. That includes 66 percent of Democrats.
Finally, a resounding majority do not believe Barack Obama when he says that he learned about such scandals like IRS-gate, the VA scandal, Fast & Furious and the plethora of other scandals when the president says he learned about it from the media. What does this tell us? The American people think Obama is a liar.