RSS11 Year Old Jordan Brown Charged as Adult in Shooting Death of Dad’s Pregnant Girlfriend (Kenzie Marie Houk) in Western PA
Shocker … double murder in Western PA by 11 Year Old
Just the other day it was reported that a 9 year old Arizona boy had reached a plea deal in the double shooting deaths of his father and father’s friend. Now we are presented with an 11 year old boy being charged in Western Pennsylvania in the shooting death of a 26 year old, 8 month pregnant woman. When will the insanity stop?
11 year old Jordan Brown will be charged as an adult:
Under Pennsylvania law, anyone over the age of 10 accused of murder or homicide is charged as an adult. If convicted, the boy faces a maximum sentence of life in prison, Bongivengo said.
11 year old Jordan Anthony Brown being charged as an Adult
11 year old Jordan Brown is being charged as an adult in the shooting death of 26 year old Kenzie Marie Houk in in New Beaver, PA. Kenzie Marie Houk was the 8 month pregnant fiance of Jordan Brown’s father. According to reports, Brown used a shotgun to kill Kenzie Marie Houk who was found in a bedroom of her western Pennsylvania farmhouse. Jordan Brown was charged with criminal homicide and criminal homicide of an unborn child.
Jordan Brown was charged Saturday as an adult in the shooting death of 26-year-old Kenzie Marie Houk, who was 8 months pregnant, Lawrence County District Attorney John Bongivengo said at a news conference.
Houk’s family and friends, who gathered at her parents’ house Saturday night, told The Associated Press that Houk had experienced problems with the boy in the past.
“There was an issue with jealousy. He told my son stuff,” said Houk’s brother-in-law, Jason Kraner, 34. “He actually told my son that he wanted to do that to her.”
Kenzie Marie Houk
Houk’s 4 year old daughter found her in her bed Friday and alerted landscapers working near the home that her mother was dead, who then called authorities.
The fifth-grader, 11 year old Jordan Anthony Brown was picked up from school Friday by Pennsylvania State Police. As reported in the Washington Post, Joran Brown got on the bus and headed to school on Friday as if it was just like any other day. Except for the fact that prior to boarding the bus, Brown had murdered his father’s pregnant fiance. Jordan Brown when first questioned by police initially told police that there was a black truck on the farm property and tried to implicate the man who feeds the cows in the crime. However, there were too many inconsistencies in the 11 year old’s story and re-interview of Houk’s 7 year old daughter implicated the boy in the killing.
“She didn’t actually eyewitness the shooting. She saw him with what she believed to be a shotgun and heard a loud bang,” Bongivengo said. The gun was found in a “location we believe to be in the defendant’s bedroom.”
Brown was arraigned and was being held in the Lawrence County Jail, with a preliminary hearing scheduled for Thursday.
“An 11-year-old kid _ what would give him the motive to shoot someone?” said Houk’s father, Jack Houk. “Maybe he was just jealous of my daughter and the baby and thought he would be overpowered.”
Jordan Brown is in the Lawrence County Jail, sequestered from other inmates because of his age. Which begs the question how will he be imprioned as an adult in general population because of his age?
Boy, 11, charged as adult in deaths
Jordan’s father, Christopher Brown, told police that the Harrington & Richardson shotgun police suspect as the murder weapon belonged to his son, who used it the previous Saturday, Feb. 14, to win a turkey shoot, according to an affidavit filed by state police to support the criminal charges.
Brown and Houk lived together in a farmhouse on Wampum-New Galilee Road in New Beaver. The gun was found in an upstairs bedroom where Jordan spent the night, the affidavit stated.
The shooting occurred just minutes after Houk told Jordan and her 7-year-old daughter to get ready for school, according to the police affidavit.
Posted February 22, 2009 by Scared Monkeys Arrest, Bizarre, Crime, Deceased, Murder, WTF | 83 comments |
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When you think things couldn’t get any worse, it does!!
Does PA have the death penalty? I hope so! I’m glad this little monster will be tried as an adult, as he should be!!
I hope the little bastard fries!!
Who the HELL gives an 11 year old a SHOTGUN ??? at 11 all you get is a BB gun !!! With a BB gun all the girlfriend would of suffered was a pimple or redmark
There are morons at every turn. If they don’t own 200 chimpazees for pets, they’re giving 20 gauge shotguns to kids.
Meant to read ’200 LB.’ chimpanzees.
And I hope his irresponsible father fries with him!!
1-5 posts–
Hi Monkey Peeps,as promises ‘I’m BACKKKKKK’:):):)
Good to see and hear from ya’ll and to enter into discussion.How amazing these young men have been given access to guns (for ANY REASON) I THOUGHT the gun laws dictated every gun should be under ‘lock and key’ out of reach from ‘children’ citing to many ‘tragedies and ‘accidents’ as the reason for this. We all KNOW bullets don’t discriminate– two young men whose lives have been shattered by their own action ,the lives they both took,and the irresponsability of their parents or guardian.
Do any of you see a pattern here? Two wonderful babies Caylee and Haleigh and others we don’t know of) taken and harmed by ‘adults’ who were supposed to care for them–Pleazzzzzze someone cut the Monkey Peeps some slack and don’t insult our integerity–we KNOW how life is supposed to roll.Children are gifts from God not by mere chance and these children were/are healthy and were at some point happy–As one poster said ‘The Sins of the fathers are visited upon the children unto the third and fourth generation’ The Father said this not I–
Case by case:
A- Caylee–case solved we ALL KNOW CASEY IS GUILTY no trial yet
B-Haleigh–was she sold/traded for drugs?Is she living or deceased? still unsloved (check out Orlando Sentinel for an update today–very revealing)
C-9 year old plea deal SHOOTING TWO adults–guilty
D-Chandra Levy 8 y old case–killer found-no trial yet
E-11 year old killed two people lady and her unborn baby (murder is murder any way you cut it but I find it VERY STRANGE that an unborn baby can be killed ‘aborted’ and it’s NOT CONSIDERD MURDER by anyone and that’s o.k. because it’s legal BUT kill the mom,the unborn baby dies and it’s murder–very twisted laws we have here. OFCORSE it’s two count of murder that is JMHO.
JMHO:
The violiators are getting younger and those being kidnapped are too–how low this nation has fallen
NO ONE TOOK THE TIME TO BE A DECENT PARENT and at some point say “NO” to them when they demanded their own way-(CASEY case and point)-PARENTS to ‘busy’ doing their thing,making that extra buck to be ‘bothered with the kid’ As another poster put it–AMERICA IS REAPING WHAT IT SOWS thus the children as well.God has blessed this Nation for years and this is how the blessing is returned–babies,dads and moms killing babies.
Glad to be back will catch ya’ll later As The Stomach Turns.
D-FAITH
REMEMBER
The acorn doesn’t fall FAR from the tree!!
ayfit #7–Ah yes indeed–to bad they all weren’t GIANT Sequioas(sp??) looks more like the weeping willow (‘cept it has no acorns:):):) Thanks for the reminder:):):)(just a thot–does this mean we are all nuts??:):):):) lol lol lol
I would have to say:
After looking into the eyes of this eleven year old child, I haven’t changed my mind. To charge an 11 year old child, as an adult, is a crime unto itself. In many ways, this case proves my point. Do you want your eleven-year old child making life and death decisions with your gun in his hand? I think not. Not in my house. The boy should receive the same treatment as the eight-year-old. Either put him in a home, or find a fit parent for him. But, never lock your children up like animals because they think like children… shameful.
My condolences to the families involved.
Hope,
Hi FAITH here and I agree 100% he should not be treated like an animal,both of these two young children seem to have been abused at some point and time to resort to the extremes of handling issues–we may never know but this 11 year old needs indepth counseling and MUCH PRAYER as does the 9 year old–
My condolences to both sets of extended families as well the shock and disbelief must be overwhelming.
D-FAITH
Mom Says 8-Year-Old Charged With Murder ‘Loved His Dad’
Arizona Boy’s Mother Speaks Out for the First Time on ‘GMA’
By JONANN BRADY
Nov. 24, 2008
The mother of an 8-year-old accused of murdering his father and another Arizona man said today that her son is a good boy who had no problems with his dad.
Eryn Bloomfield tells Diane Sawyer that her son was not angry with his father.
“He had a very good relationship with his father. …You know, they did everything together. He loved his dad,” Eryn Bloomfield, who shared custody of the boy with her ex-husband, said in an exclusive interview today with “Good Morning America.”
Bloomfield also said that her son was not having trouble at school.
“He’s very outgoing,” Bloomfield said of her son. “He loves animals. He loves to ride his dirt bike, skateboarding, outdoor things.”
-snip
We can only pray for those involved in the terrible crime. Any time that a child threatens such an act out of anger should be taken serious,or if a child is harming a pet. Obviously those thoughts went through his mind, perhaps the night before and he carried it out on that morning before school,then casually go to school as if it were any other normal day. This young boy is very troubled and dangerous and should be handled appropriately for the crime. I don’t think that the tears will be out of remorse, but out of being frightened that he is caught. I’m can’t say in prison for life.
The fact that he tried to blame the crime on the poor cow feeder guy and that he got on the bus without showing any signs that he had just committed murder is startling.
All that cannot just be a jealousy issue.
R
Number 7 – You said the apple doesn’t fall to far from the tree. At one time in my life, I believed that alone without insite.
I had a molesting (raping) parent. When I realized what a molesting parent was, I was ashamed and embarassed. I went to my other parent with that statement. I said, “The bible says the apple doesn’t fall to far from the tree. What does that mean for me.” The wonderful and wise parent told me, “You are also from my tree.” It was a brilliant answer to an 18 year olds question. I knew in my heart I would be okay; because, God gave me one wonderful and wise parent who had a great faith. I now have 5 children who were told all of their lives about molestation (child rape). The sin ends here. You cannot raise children without God.
Kill him now. To kills his future mother then go to school with the his sister after killing her mother. No hope!
Buster and Nurturer, I am with you..
PA Mom #14 best post I have read in a long time…I am going to use that from now on…
Has it been established yet where this kid … and he IS a kid … got a shotgun from?
And the ammunition?
Who in hell decided to teach an 11-year-old how to use a shotgun? This is just beyond me to understand.
Nor do I understand how an 11-year-old can be tried as an adult. Are we going back to the days of the early 18th century in Britain, where children were hanged for stealing items of more than a certain value?
Needless to say, I don’t have the answers. But given the kid’s age, I don’t see how he can be tried as an adult.
_________
SM: It was the boys shotgun. Honestly, I had one to at the at of 11. All depends on where ya live. I have been shooting guns, rifles, shotguns since the age of 10/11. However, I also took marksmanship classes and gun safety.
R
Well, I see it now in the article:
“Under Pennsylvania law, anyone over the age of 10 accused of murder or homicide is charged as an adult. If convicted, the boy faces a maximum sentence of life in prison, Bongivengo said.”
I bet very few people in Pennsylvania knew about this age rule. To me, it sounds preposterous.
But who has a solution?
my brother had a gun when he was yound a 22, never loaded, my father kept the ammo locked up we would look at it hanging in his room on the gun rack but knew our A$$ was grass if we even thought about touching it, my father taught us about gun safety and boundaries we knew the consequenses if we touched it, it wasn’t worth the try for sure….again parent responsibility…you want to give your kid a gun to
opps: you want to give your kids a gun to shoot be the adult and teach your kids to be responsible with it….take the bullets dummy…idiot parents…I say stick the father in jail for failing to teach the kid right from wrong.
#14-PA Mom. Thank you for the beautiful post.
As far as this case goes, I agree there has to be a little something more behind this child showing no remorse or guilt immediately after the crime. Jealousy is such a strong emotion….Crimes of Passion being some of the most startling.
As far as the shotgun goes—also agree that as part of our Constitutional Rights they should be allowed in homes-but also as pointed out—with proper usage, SAFETY & responsibility being taught alongside Ownership. Never, ever should guns be left loaded or unlocked in homes with Children or Teenagers, ever!
The fact that he is being tried as an Adult, IMO…at this young age- rehabilitation should be the primary focus. Hopefully, when the child is back out in the real world one day–all the years of incarceration & clinical psychology may at least produce an Adult who may have half a chance in life. And, yes- the Victim and the Victim’s family deserved the same chance. Perhaps some day they can find it in their hearts to forgive this adolescent….. this is a very tragic situation to which maybe there truly are no real solutions.
=(
This case is very upsetting. I have such mixed emothions about this case. First, there is no way that child should of had access to that shotgun, it should have been locked up. So, part of the blame is on the father. Second, this kid must have been really hateful. To do what he did and just go off to school like nothing happened…how does a child become like this and no one sees it coming.
One question. Where is the boys mother?
This boy may or may not be a budding psychopath, in which case he should be locked up for life. But, that doesn’t take the prime responsibility for this tragedy out of the hands of the father who gave a child who still thinks things are toys a shotgun and let him have free access to ammunition as well. Fry the father, if someone else has to die over this.
I had a pellet gun at that age and we had lots of other guns as well but they where all locked up and the ammo was locked up in another place. No one was allowed to take the guns out of the case unless we where going to the range. My Grandfather Karl opened a gun range and we where all taught the proper rules. It’s one thing to give a child a gun but dont let him keep it under his bed so he can show it off to his friends so they can put ideas into his head.
#14 Mom How true good to see others share the same core values America WAS founded on God and TRUE YOU (nor I) can NOT raise a child without God but here’s the clincher–’NO man comes to the Father except by ME’ JEsus speaking there(recorded in John if I’m not mistaken) it’s wonderful and very needed to ‘believe in God’ but one has to FOLLOW JESUS to get to the Father either way having a solid faith in God is necessary –but one has to talk the talk and walk the walk–
YOU are a wise woman for your post and conviction I AM NOT a compromiser and I precieve you aren’t either–mho
Nuff said–BOTH kids need our prayers (better late than never) and someone to come into their lives who can guide them–they BOTH knew they were wrong and it ‘looks like pre-mediated killing’ .
Have a good one
D- FAITH
the kid tried to lie about the whole thing and cover it up like he did not do it so he new what he was doing so he should know the outcome so i think he should be tried as an adult
WOW! This is getting too common. Kids killing kids, kids killing parents. I have some mixed feelings about this as well. First, I agree that the child should not have been allowed access to the gun & ammo without the supervision of an adult. There is nothing wrong with teaching your children about gun safety but you have to be responsible and realize they are just kids and you cannot just leave guns & ammo lying around for anyone to access. Second, what drives a kid to murder? There has to be something going on there. Third, he knew what he was doing (a) he already told another person he was thinking about doing it & (b) he lied about it and tried to blame it on someone else so he knew it was wrong. As far as him being tried as an adult: that is a tough one. You want to think that he can be rehabilitated and have a future but on the other hand you have send a statement that this kind of behavior is unacceptable. Too many times children are not punished because they are children. From his picture he looks like an angry little boy; he doesn’t look frightened or remorseful. He probably did feel neglected by his father and he was probably angry that she was becoming a part of his family BUT you have to know that killing is wrong and doesn’t solve anything. Basically for me I think what it boils down to is PARENT RESPONSIBILITY. It’s a very tragic situation and so many lives have been destroyed because of it.
I am just glad I don’t live in America.
Constitutuional rights? Right on redneck. As another blogger wrote. “First we give little Jordan firearms, then we’ll trial him as an adult.
USA! USA! You gotta be kidding.
#28-John—-I’m glad you don’t live in America, too. We’ve got our share of problems and then some…but there is still no other place I’d rather be.
We’ll be back, stronger & better than ever. Even in this crappy economy—we are still the BEST NATION IN THE WORLD—and you know it—that only makes you just another Anti-American hater. Jealousy will get you nowhere but here on our blog sounding off…lol idiot
Funny, I saw on T.V. last night that Law Enforcement was taking the boy elsewhere because they had no place fit for him. Not, even, juvenile hall.
Think about it. What do kids see on television, over and over? Murder. They know it’s wrong but they think in magical terms… nothing is forever to them. Times are different than they were back in the day. People are scared and are becoming careless. Children are from broken homes while our divorce rate is higher than ever. They learn from us… Jealousy is a deadly sin that started clear back in the garden with Cain and Abel. And the love between father and son is deep, probably deeper as a result of the divorce. This boy had his dad all to himself and he was happy. He wanted that back.
He’s a child… not a man. Few men that I know would kill his dad’s girlfriend thinking that they could ride off in the sunset, forever, happy.
This kid is a baby! You can’t try him as an adult!! WTF Find out where the damn gun came from along with the ammo and try THEM as an adult. JESUS!!!!
Anew girl – I was hoping to get a more insightful response that simple platitudes, but maybe what you wrote should be considered Socratic introspection given you live in a nation that voted for George Bush Jr. twice.
I’m happy you have found your place in paradise, but have you actually travelled anywhere else? Have you actually gone anywhere and looked the locals in the eyes as equals rather than from what appears to be a rather supercilious POV?
Frankly, I had a wonderful time living in Cali a few years ago, but it takes more than a walletful of unpaid bill and a whiff of moral superiority to make a great nation.
My dog occassionally has fleas, and I suspect the fleas also think his hairy and occassionaly fruity rump is the best place on earth.
John –
That is the gayest post I’ve ever read.
Regards on your dog’s occasionally “fruity rump.”
However, I am glad you keep an eye on those kind
of things. The world needs more animal lovers!
#28 John …
The feeling is mutual. I am glad you do not live in the USA either. You do not have a clue.
Please let’s keep it that way.
R
John –
I am from Ireland and I would put up with the risk of getting knocked off by infants with shotguns for a slice of that old “Pay my mortgage, dear neighbour” song.
Some of my distant relatives live there and I undertand more than a few need help with their mortgages.
Sorry guys if I hit a nerve. Defensiveness and dismissiveness are after all, are the feeble masks of inadequacy laid raw.
Good luck paying your bills!
#33 Carpe, I didn’t call the USA gay, I only remarked the place in a mess. Anyway, are you a homophobe, or just a deim short of a full year?
#28 John
Are you purposely being unpleasant? The USA is the greatest place on earth and every proud Americans would tell you that. The only people who are not proud of our country are the foreigners and a few people that vote for the Democrats.
You need to spend less time with your Thesaurus spend more time paying respects to the place the country that rescued you from speaking German – we won WW2 if you are in school and have not been reading your books.
Guns are not the problem; we have very few gun accidents here, in case you get your information on the US from watching Diehard movies. Anyway, we need guns to protect our way of life, and the occasional senseless slaying is a small price to pay for the liberties of our wonderful country.
Lock him away for life- he’ll never know how to treat people after this
John, I bet you visit ALL the blogs and forums with your 50 cent words so you can apply them in all the appropriate places. Well how about this, since you have contributed nothing but your assinine views on something you cant know ANYTHING about, take all those fancy words and apply them down there on your supposed dogs hairy and occasionally fruity rump.
#15 are you serious with your post, you have got to be kidding…this is a child for hell sakes get real. Take the hate ot of your heart and find Jesus.
Joh you are WAY out there stay in your own country FOOL!
#36- John— Defensive? For better or worse, this is our Country and we will defend it.
Dismissive? Not at all. We blog here daily about the problems the US faces….we make no excuses for the crooked & greedy Corporations and many individuals who have helped bring the economy, for one, to it’s present state.
There is no deep insight here, John. The majority rules— you sound like an Anti-American Igoramus and we’re happy you’ve decided to stay where ever you are. Even with the current issues the USA has, we could still kick your Country’s Ass on any given day..no matter where it is. And because of this fact, that’s why you all hate us so guess it sucks to be you!
It is reasonable to put this kid behind bar, but giving him a life sentence is too HARSH, WAY TOO HARSH!!! this is a 11 year old boy, he doesn’t know any better, he did it out of passion and he couldn’t control his emotion. what he did was wrong, but to lock him up for the rest of his life is not a reasonable punishment, we are looking at a boy with many things he hasn’t learned and experience, he would have alot of future in front of him
Aw shucks guys, I am deeply wounded. “Assinine” (#40) and an “Igoramus?” (#43). I’m also not big on spellchecking but it pains me when people can’t insult me correctly.
Anyway back to the topic. The USA is the only country that has produced a system where little tykes can get firearms to fit their pudgy fingers, parents to school them in the fine art of weaponary and guardians that leave guns and ammo lying around the house. All resulting in the only country on earth where infants get to knock off pregnant mothers in their sleep because they have sibling issues.
And here’s where I will get serious for a bit. Even a blind man (though not a jingoistic one) can see the US has gone from being a world leader to being quite seriously screwed up.
Pointing out my lack of intelligence (thanks, I try to stay humble) is simply an ad homineim attack.
I know many of you think USA = greatest country, therefore Me = greatest person. This is the saddest part about this all. The rest of the world wishes you well but as long as you keep thinking ou are God’s gift to the free world, you ignore the spreading and deepening flaws in the US.
The image that comes closest to mind is Chemical Ali on CNN as the tanks rolled into Iraq.
“USA, USA!”
#45 Get real! Nobody said our country was perfect. We have our problems but it’s still the greatest country in the world. Why else would so many people risk their lives daily to come here? It’s fine if you don’t like it but we happen to LOVE IT HERE.
So exactly why are posting here?
John:
Give it a rest. This is not the only country in the world that’s screwed up. In my opinion, the whole world is screwed up… some places more so than others. Frankly, I thought someone, like you, would praise us for our intelligence, afterall, you just said the exact same thing the rest of us have been saying.
And, there are many of us, including myself, that would say that America is a bit on the self-indulgent side… but then, again, I’ve never met an English-speaking foreigner that knew the meaning of humility. So let’s just say, we have our problems and you have yours. Then, maybe, we’ll meet in the middle, somewhere.
“USA, USA!”
Laugh out LOUD!
#46 Michelle Smith
Thank you for posting the first intelligent response to my posts.
So far the responses have been in the following categories:
a. You’re gay
b. The USA is the best place on earth
c. The USA is the best place on earth and you are jealous of it
d. The US is the best place on earth and you are jealous of it because my country can kick your country’s a**
e. The US is the best place on earth and you are jealous of it because my country can kick your country’s a** so stay home
I am posting because I wonder how many more Kenzie Marie Houk’s does the US need before it realizes there are flaws in the gun (and other systems).
Also no other country in the world works itself into such self-righteous indignation when asked to face its own flaws.
USA! USA!
46 Michelle Smith
Thank you for posting the first intelligent response to my posts.
So far the responses have been in the following categories:
a. You’re gay
b. The USA is the best place on earth
c. The USA is the best place on earth and you are jealous of it
d. The US is the best place on earth and you are jealous of it because my country can kick your country’s a**
e. The US is the best place on earth and you are jealous of it because my country can kick your country’s a** so stay home (jerk)
I am posting because I wonder how many more Kenzie Marie Houk’s does the US need before it realizes there are flaws in the gun (and other systems).
Also no other country in the world works itself into such self-righteous indignation when asked to face its own flaws.
USA! USA!
Hope
Sorry, I didn’t see you post earlier.
I agree.
“Also no other country in the world works itself into such self-righteous indignation when asked to face its own flaws.”
Obviously this loser has never been to Aruba,
home of the murdering raping Van der Sloots
and Kalpoes! LOL
Hey, it’s okay, John:
Stick around. You might see a whole different side
of America… one in which you can be proud and one
that will leave you rolling on the floor in
laughter.
*~*~*~*~*~*~WELCOME to SCARED MONKEYS~*~*~*~*~*~*
#51 .Crape
Sigh. What’s Aruba got to do with righteous indignation?
Do they chan “Aruba, Aruba” everything someone wears facepaint or points out that their country is not perfect?
Neal Young has a song on his latest CD that goes a little like this; “I try not read the papers or listen to the news to much”, what a sad time. Childen committing murder. Are some just born that way? I would think very rarely. In life it is true that we are responsible for our own happines, but as I tell my sons, they are responsible for their childrens happiness. All parents make mistakes, I’ve certainley made my share. But, for a child to feel secure and loved they must have a safe place to live, an enviroment in which they can thrive. My kids were raised around guns. Their father was an avid hunter. But guns were not accessible to them. They recieved BB guns, and were told if they shot anything living, they would have to clean it, and eat it. That may not sound good, but they say when they were tempted to shot a bird, they thought about eatting it, and it was not appealing, as they preferred a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich. They were supervised, given paper targets of bull eyes. Neither have ever hunted. Both became quiet talented bow marksman. Both are married, and one has a four year old daughter, and they other has a 6 month old son. They went through some very rebelious teen years, and you bet your bottom dollar we all had counseling and no guns were accessible. One one has ADDS, and he would never have completed a home work assignment unless I had given my time and patience to sit with him to make sure it was done. I did not administer copral punishment. Loosing his netendo in those days was far worse. I know the parents of these kids are hurting; but they are ultimately responsible for their children. These kids did not belong in those enviroments. The boy who shot his fathers pregnant girlfriend told someone that he wanted to do this, and no one told!!!!!! People knew the boy that shot his father, and his fathers friend, family knew that he was being punished in excess. How dare anyone wish for any child to fry. What has happend cannot be done. We should open our eyes and ears to kids around us, and take seriously any comments concerning danger, especially when these kids have access to weapons. Dont want to get involved? Do you think the victims wish someone had? Thanks Hope and Faith
#49 John
I don’t think the gun system is flawed. The problem is irresponsible parents that allow their children easy access to guns & ammo without supervision. I don’t see a problem with the right to own a gun to protect your family & property or even for recreational purposes but people need to be responsible when it comes to firearms and children. It is indeed a tragedy that could have been avoided. Obvioulsy a person does not have to be knowledgable in weapons to murder someone. Guns do not belong in the hands of children, criminals and even some idiot adults for that matter.
I also do not agree with how many illegals are being supported by the taxpayers. As far as I’m concerned (and I think many others here as well), illegals are not entitled to squat. If they want to live in this country then they should follow the proper procedures of becoming a responsible citizen. Learn to speak English, get a job, pay your taxes, be an asset to society & not a strain on the ecomony. I don’t like how this is being handled. I don’t like the government telling me how to live my life and how to spend my money but there is still no other place i’d rather live than here. I’m sure you love your country and wouldn’t want to live anyplace else either. I think the reason for the harsh responses is the manner in which you posted. You were being disrespectful and most folks don’t take kindly to anti-American posts.
Have a great day
#45 john….. you dont get it, i misspelled the word FOR YOU. jack a$$.
Tears:
Thank you, too. What a heartfelt post. One that I agree with in every aspect. I raised my son the same way and he loved it. He’s grown into a responsible, loving young man who still enjoys fishing, hunting and the outdoors, in general. Because of him, I am an advocate for our environment and hope that his children and grand children will be able to enjoy everything this beautiful planet has to offer. There are times that he enjoys hunting with a camera, as well. But to hunt with a bow is something to be proud of. My son has a bow and arrow, but has not had the chance to hunt with it.
Again, thank you so much. I enjoyed reading your post.
#56
Sorry, I missed the sarcasm. I hate it when I do that.
You will have to forgive me. I am only 4 years old you know.
John- You are so right. I misspelled IGNORAMUS.
There yah’ go. I think you have missed the point of most of these posts. When you come on a website filled with Americans, and post something like USA ! USA ! and “I’m glad I don’t live here”…what the hell did you think you were going to get…a big internet ((((hug)))) ?
We all agree that the US has it’s share of problems. Just like any other Country in the World. From a Global perspective, if you really look around though—there is STILL no other place in the World we’d rather be. I’m proud to be an American Citizen, and I don’t need wise-ass Foriegners like you to come on here and point out typographical errors or spread your Anti-American views. We get it John, you dislike the US. Talk about self-righteous indignation, John. Get over yourself in the process as well.
omgg i cant belive it its so freaking
sad
like hes going to prison and havent even made it to junior high yet but i think that he shouldnt m be charged as a n adult yet
when he turns 18 thn thts wen he should get charged as an adult but dang thats sad and i feel sorry for tha lady 2
all this could have been avoided i wounder what the dad has 2 say about all this
what kind of f***** up culture produces people who want to execute a child? The poor kid must have suffered such a horrible life, been traumatised to such a degree he kills, and then some f***wit, redneck reactionaries want him to die – thank God for the sane people on here.
I’m with Steven and John on this… USA USA!
Never understood why our countries claim a “special relationshiip”. Over hear even the coppers don’t carry guns.
at 11 years old he should be able to know right from wrong and be able to handle a gun safely. I started hunting when i was around 7. it doesn’t matter the age so long as the person/child can handle a gun responsibly. He should of had to go through hunter safety course to even hunt, that shows that he knew what he was doing. most people complain about children having guns but what about adults that kill people with guns. Guns aren’t the problem it’s the people that have access to them. if a person wanted to kill someone there are hundreds of things they can use. stop blaming guns for all of these murders; it’s the parents and media that allow gun violence to happen.
I’m just curious, for all the people who say don’t lock him up, don’t treat him this way or that. He’s just a child. Let’s just say, that he had shot your grandkids, or your daughter, or someone you were very close to and couldn’t imagine life without. How would you feel then? Be honest, would you want him to get a slap on the wrist? or would you want him to have a stricter punishment?
This is sad, and wrong. This kid had to know the consequences of shooting. He went to a turkey shoot, wouldn’t you think he knew by firing the gun, it would have the same effect on humans as it does on turkeys. Come on, kids are a lot smarter than people give them credit for.
And since his dad did give him a gun, do you really think the dad didn’t teach him anything about fire arms? Yes, dad should have been smarter than to allow his son to own a fire arm. I think kids are way to fascinated with guns. And yes, a lot of it does come from television. And many parents let their kids watch what they watch. I think kids should be educated about guns, but not own them.
And I agree, guns aren’t really the problem, anything can be used as a weapon. But kids have a fascination with guns. When we don’t supervise our kids, and we leave them alone, things happen. Even the bible states that, that parents who leave their kids alone-bring shame to themselves (book of proverbs). Because when kids are left alone, there is no one to say NO! Or to stop them!
But in this case, it is different, soon to be step mom was there. So I do not blame her for that or the dad, but I do say it’s dad’s fault for giving it to him in the first place. Even though he bought the gun, why didn’t he lock it up, instead of letting the kid have it in his room, hello, COMMON SENSE???
And also, even though he’s just a kid, he had to have some kind of problem with soon to be step mom, otherwise, wouldn’t he have shot the other kids??
Did he ever confess to doing this? And if he did, did he say why?
It’s just sad
I can’t say what was going through this kid’s head, or what his punishment will be or should be….It’s in God’s hands!!
Jordan Brown is a confused little BOY. There were no Adults in his life. His birth mother gave him to his crazy father. What was this home life really like? It is sad that the a 26 year old woman and her unborn son is dead; but she chose to have unprotected sex with a man she had been dating for a month. It appears that the father wasn’t that interested in making an honest woman out of her because he didn’t get around to asking her to marry him till six months later; and they still were not married. According to police reports Chris Brown was a mental case eleven years old; but yet Kenzie thought it was wise to move he and his son in with her. Where is the father or fathers of the two young girls? Did they know the caliber of the man his young girls were subjected to? Jordan Brown is a boy not an adult. He should be treated and nutured as a child.
This a horrible thing, but we can’t always blame the parents for evething. I have four children and before the the age of 11 they knew that when you shot someone, they are dead and you will never see that person again. And by him getting on the bus and saying nothing and telling the police about the truck. I think he knew what he was doing. If he doen’t get help (the right kind of help) he will be a very scarey adult. Has to have some kind of punishment,by the age of 11 you know right from wrong,he knows he did wrong,he is scared not for what he has done,but that he got caught. I don’t think life in prison is the answer,but he does need some help,if he gets by with this what will he do later in life. GOD, WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THESE YOUNG CHILDREN.
Been following this story since Feb. 09 and whether Jordan Brown did or didn’t do this has yet to be determined (according to media there seems to be a lot of speculations and assumptions) but we as a society better be VERY afraid when we have state laws (and DA’s) that can lock up children this young forever without the chance of ever getting out again. Children this young need help which they will not get in prison. Society, as well as the victim’s, need to remember that these laws also apply to our own children/grandchildren. Don’t say it can’t happen to your child or your child would not do this or that because if you asked these parents whose children are locked up for life, I am sure they said the same thing.
The laws to lock up children under 18 years old in adult prisons need to change NOW!!!!! Children need to be held accountable for their actions but not on an adult level because they are not adults!!! They cannot be deemed adults in one aspect of the law (crime) and not be in another (voting, drinking, joining the military, they even need parent permission to go on a school field trip, etc….). Locking children up in adult prisons is not a life sentence it is a death sentence to these children especially when we have far worse adults out on our streets. Sentencing children under 18 years old as adults and in some cases locking them up forever with no chance of parole is saying that these children are worse then the child molesters living in our neighborhoods, it is saying they are worse than the drunk driving who serves a few years for killing someone while driving drunk, it is saying that they are worse than the drug dealers who return back to their corner, it says that they are worse than the adults who have killed and have gotten only a few years WITH parole. Think about it!!!!
You asked what would I do if the shoe was on the other foot so to speak if one of my daughters were killed for no apparent reason by a child? well I can sit here as I type this and honestly say I dont feel that a child should be tried or sentanced as an adult, a child is that a child. my 13 1/2 yr old was murdered 2-24-01 and her killer was 2 young ppl and they were not tried as an adult and they were not brought to justice. If they ever are no I dont wish the death penalty on either of them. The bible says we are to forgive, where do we draw the line for that ? I guess if the Lord can forgive us than we should forgive them. Should he be punished for what he did, yes I believe he should. but putting him in prison for life do you really think that is going to solve the problem? No it wont. Look deeper into the situation and find the root of the problem and do what ever it takes to fix it. My daughter is in heaven over a violent crime done against her, and so is this young lady and her unborn child. There is a time for mourning for them, and it has been since feb, now it is the time to mourn for this 11 yr old child and his future or lack of. I as a parent of a murdered child know the feelings on both sideds of the fence so to speak. I used to want the ppl responciable to fry for what they did, but what would that make me? no better than the one who killed my child. and I am not better than anyone. This young boy is probably having a rough time dealing with his emotions for what has happened. And he has not been convicted yet. dont push the death penelty or the life sentance penelty. give him a chance at life, give him the help he needs. I mean come on a man a grown man killed a 18 month old child here in western pa and he got 10 yes , why would you think to give a child a life sentance? when a grown man brutally killed a toddler? the law doesnt make sense. Give the child the help he needs and reabilitate him and make a law where a child can not be given a gun period. make them be an adult before recieving a gun. I hope and pray this young boy is treated fairly and gets justice. And I pray for the young lady and her unborn baby’s family to get through this and for those 2 young girls who will have to go through life without thier mother and the sibling they were so excited to have in their lifes.
I think that the girl friend was causing problems with the children! People who get into relantionships with extra baggae need to be very carefully.
And why the hell shouldn’t he be tried as an adult? I was 11 not too long ago and in no way would I have ever planned to murder anyone. I’ve known people who’ve had crappy lives and they’ve never resorted to murdering anyone. Some people are just evil, not in the sense of fire breathing devil evil, but people who will kill with no remorse and only with their benefit in mind. This kid is one of them and I’m telling you, people like that are broken and can’t be fixed.
Some of you are missing the larger point here. This “family” is so messed up. Suddenly in Jordan’s life there is a new pg girlfriend and her children. Where does that leave Jordan or any of these children. These are throw away children…Some of you people think that your actions have no affect on your kids but I think this article tells a different story. This story is disgusting to me…the children are the true victim. These adult ALL of them including the extended family claiming an ELEVEN year old made threats against the gf…then recognize there is a problem and remove yourself after all YOU are supposed to be the adult. WHITE TRASH and everyone should be glad that I am not on the jury but how I wish I was!!!
i think the little bastard should be put into adult prison, he committed a serious crime and deserves full punishment regardless of age. He took the life of am unborn child and thats unforgivable. I hope they put him away for the rest of his life, he deserves everything they do to him in prison.
As a father of an 11 year old I can say I doubt he knows the serverity of what he has done.. 11 year olds do not have that capability. Do they know right and wrong? Of course, but he probably thinks stealing gum from a store is just as bad. The child needs help people!
in my honest opinion….this little boy was old enough to know what he was doing with that shotgun. and his father needs to be charged! its his father’s fault that he even thinks as he does. thats another thing…where was his lame of a father at, at the time of the murder? and there was a 4 yr old lil girl there too! wow…ppl need to wake up and snap into reality with their children! sickens me! but i think he got what he deserves cuz he knew what he was doing! cuz someone over the age of 18 wouldnt get away with it jus as well as this lil boy!
How the hell does a 11 year old boy get a shotgun? His parents have to be charged with at least giving the boy the weopon.
In Alaska, a 13 year old shot his mom and killed her. He was not imprisoned, he was released, and his record sealed. 25 years later he took an AK47 and machine gunned down an entire family for pressing charges because he beat up the mother of the family. The father of the family was my boss.
I bet this child is a bully, and has the idea that might makes right.
Who really knows if this 11-year old was abused, had psych issues, or was it simple as jealousy. Only a good psychiatrist will know. Based upon the results of the psychologist, then the courts should know wether to trial him as an adult or child.
Should the child have had a gun. Yes, if supervised, if the weapon is locked away, etc. It was shooting turkeys. However, I did a study (many years ago) on gun control and found 80% of murders involving a “gun owner” their “own gun” was used against them. It proves gun owners who get them for protection is a big waste of time, cause the odds are the gun will be used against them.
I can not believe some comments!
Why there is a gun unlock near an 11 years old boy?
Why would he be traead like an adult! He is just a boy! Confused, frustated, treatable still!!
He has no disorder of personality of psychopathy .
If he was the one who did it sooner or later he will talk, he is a child!
But before pointed with our fingers let give this boy he doubt that he deserved.
Justice in this case is for both, helping a 12 years old boy and solving that woman dead.
POOR BOY …YOU AMERICANS SHOULD ALL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS…YOU ALL HAVE GUNS IN YOUR HOME..THAT IS SOMETHING WE IN CANADA DONT HAVE AS MUCK AS YOU DO…HOW CAN YOU CHARGE OF MURDER A 11 YEAR OLD BOY ??…YOU ARE ALL SICKOS…
CHARGE THE FATHER WHO BOUGHT THE ((edit)) GUN…!!!
I just heard the news guy on Fox telling the guy who is prosecuting the 12 year old boy. I was really pissed to hear him taking up for the kid. It irritated me so much I’m wirting this.
News man, should be ashamed of your comments. Of course, it wasn’t your daughter this kid killed, or your son or wife. But if this kid took a gun to school and shot your son/daughter, you’d see things in a different way. You said in so many words, “Poor little boy, he was just mixed up and needs some phychiatrist to talk to. It’s just too cruel to make a 11 year old pay for his bad deeds.” Yeal, poor little boy. Tell the little girl that if the lady had a daughter. Tell her parents, but, OH, of course, it wasn’t your daughter/mother or son, so you just want to show how merciful you are. “Let him work out his problems and then in a year turn him loose, he’ll not kill again. He’s just a poor little boy. Gee, finally Pa is punilshing a kid who killed, who probably thought he’d be on TV, in a juvinile home for a year or two, a place to party and brag how he pulled the triger, ect. It’s idiots like this news caster who have removed the death penality, who has so much mercy for innocent little children who have killed women/students, ect. Well, your right, grown men kill nad kill and go to prison and get out and kill again, and go back to prison. I’m sure the mother or daughter of this woman who was killed will be pleased to see this kid put away. My personal thoughts are he should be put into prison on death roll to wait for his 18th. birthday, and on that day remove him from the ranks of kids who kill. Jerk! One of America’s problems is liberals have stopped the punishment for murder, therefore, murders have increased in America. Well, why not, boys/girls/men/women can kill and bleeding hearts can say exactly what this news broadcaster said, “he’s a good man deep down, give him some help and he’ll see he was wrong, and then we can give him another chance. People with this frame of mind are as much responsible for the increase in deaths as much as the killers. Hang murderers, put it on TV, and let children see what will happen to them if they kill. The girl from Ireland who hung herself, a good example of kids who kill. Those five or how ever many there were, punish them. A mother did that to another girl her daughter didn’t like or something, the girl killed herself, and what became of the mother who caused the girls death. I honestly don’t know, so if she was slapped on the hand for her evil deed, then there you have it. It goes on because of idiots who think and say, “Poor little boy, he needs help.” Idiot!
this child is young yes, but at 11 anybody knows that killing somebody is illegal and wrong. yes he might not have been thinking clearly, due to age and lack of brain development,but come on. charging him as an adult is the right choice in my opinion because then he will not be allowed out of jail ever. and he should’t be. somebody like that can never return to normal society. this boy has destroyed the lives of all the people in both families and all of thier friends as well. and the death sentance would be cool, save $ in the long run.
I FEEL IF YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO DO THE CRIME, YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO DO THE TIME. MY QUESTIONS IS. WHAT WAS HIS REASON FOR KILLING HER IN THE FIST PLACE?
LIKE I TOLD MY HUSBAND YESTERDAY, IF IT WERE MY KIDS AND THEY DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS THEN I FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED AS ADULTS TO. AS MUCH AS IT WOULD HURT ME, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CRIME.HIS 5TH AMMENDMENT RIGHTS WENT OUT THE WINDOW WHEN HE PULLED THAT TRIGGER.
also what kind of sick country do we live in anyway ive heard storys of kids being tried as adults and they get ass raped 9 times a day yes 9 a day and when they get out they usssually end up killing themeselves we have a justice system where any major form of punishment is in fact far far worse than the crime i would love to see every single criminal in prison released and have them march to the courts and destroy them utterly then drop a f(edit)ing nuke on all of there asses.
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SM: Hmm, so rape, assault, murder are crimes not fitting the punishment? One might think that the fear of prison and all that you referenced would be a deterrent. If not … Oh well.