RSSLorenzo van Rijn Arrested on Drug Charges in Aruba … Hmm … Ya Don’t Say
Lorenzo Arrested … YES, THAT SAME INFAMOUS LORENZO
Lorenzo van Gijn no ta un desconoci di polis. Den e bishitanan cu e Team Bijzondere Projecten a haci na diferente lugar, su cas no tabata un excepcion.
(Yes, the last name is Rijn, misspelled in article)
After all this time, the infamous house where so many parties and drugs were had is finally raided. It makes one wonder why now? Its not like authorities most likely knew what went on here. Seems like the walls are closing in on so many things that the ALE let slide.
Lorenzo’s house – Located at 172 Saveneta, Aruba
We also know from the Kalpoe law suit vs. Dr. Phil that Lorenzo was witness and gave a statement to police at least once. Wonder why they would have wanted to talk to Lorenzo? Maybe Joran Van der Sloot was there that night? The police may want to do some DNA testing in this home.
The question remains, why would investigators want to talk to Lorenzo as it pertains to the Natalee Holloway case. What is the connection? It can’t just be about the selling of drugs and parties … there would have to be a greater connection.
Check out more at Scared Monkeys.net … rumors, pics, and more.
UPDATE: Remember this comment from a poster from Aruba in June 2005 regarding Natalee being held?
(Hat Tip: Nice find Klaas)
Posted June 21, 2007 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Bizarre, Crime, Diario, Natalee Holloway | 148 comments |
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Remember technically Lorenzo was the fifth suspect arrested and then immediately released. Also in Dave’s book…..when he was in the police station with Dompig there was a chart on the wall with a picture of all the suspects. Curiously Lorenzo’s picture was missing. When asked Dompig said there was no reason for Lorenzo to be on the chart and blew off Dave and I believe Art Wood.
Yeh riggghhhtt. Mr XTACY himself.
Interesting.What does the article say?
What is the update ???
As Jason said, what does the article say?
Hopefully Lo van Rijn will be put under pressure by the police and will crack! And starts talking…. These little spiders in their drugwebs often know A LOT!
I think the article says that he was arrested and that a large number of marijuana plants AND A CACHE OF WEAPONS were found. If that scum in the middle, cringing in his handcuffs, is indeed Lorenzo van Rijn, then it seems to be one of the few photographs out there.
It’s very interesting that this arrest comes so close to the airing of that ‘psychic’ TV show. It can be entirely coincidental, and probably is … but it can also be, perhaps, that the heat is being applied to solve the case.
I wonder if the Dutch are going to be issuing a subpoena for the likes of such competent officials as Jan van der Straaten, Michael Dompig and other top (former, in his case) Aruban police authorities in the Natalee case?
For that matter, are the Dutch even connecting this scumbag to the Natalee case? Or is his arrest being handled by the regular Aruba police? Hopefully, if so, they will realize that all eyes are on them now … this elusive suspect, and reputed big-time drug trafficker (supposedly the island’s biggest Ecstasy dealer), finally is facing the courts.
I’ve been posting for well over a year that drug trafficking and human trafficking are associated. If this guy is indeed the drug kingpin that island lore says, he may be the link to Natalee’s fate.
Few are prepared to believe this. All I’m saying is that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the trafficking theory remains a valid option. Remember Amy Bradley. Remember that the South American continent is so close. Remember the anti-American sentiments that prevail in much of the region.
Remember, too, that the Caribbean is a huge place infested with drug gangs that have their own boats and their own private armies.
If Tim Miller and Art Wood are right, then Natalee is buried at sea. They claim to know precisely where. If they find her, well and good.
If not ….
I’m no psychic … but looking at that ugly face (I should talk!), I can see no sign that he would have any pity for Natalee or any other girl once in his power.
He may talk with these charges against him. I think you may see him tell what he knows or heard about Natalee. This is a good development, it’s usually something small and related but not related at the same time that cracks unsolved cases all the time. Let’s hope.
#1 Sorry I have not installed memory check yet on my computer. That should have been Dennis Jacobs not Dompig. For obvious reasons.
Does anyone have the address for the KIA in San Nicolas. I need it. Thanks.
Any idea what the hydrolic press next to the round cylinder of money is for ???
Speaking of faces, how does it measure up to Haunting Evidences drawing?
Very interesting! I hope things are closing in!
I almost fell out of my chair when I saw that picture of that cross and the wall. A wall was a prominent clue in several psychic visions including the one on HE. And that cross there! That pyschic who emailed Dave about a ‘lone cross that was not a grave marker’ and then he found that one on the beach and the psychic said that was NOT the one….wow!
And he had a basement? So many psychics said ‘basement’.
Interesting that he was the 5th suspect too!
I’m holding out hope that Natalee will be found alive. I recall another psychic posted that Natalee was being held at a white house in a country atmosphere. She said there was a woman there with dark brown hair holding a baby and that there were lots of guns involved. She said there was this feeling that like an army of men with guns was a threat/lie to Natalee that made her afraid to leave, make contact or go outside the house.
I’ve researched psychic stuff for a while and from what I can get they only get clues and it’s up to the cops to take those clues and put them together. I’ll be interested to see what all so many psychics got right. See if bad evil demons were telling the truth to help Natalee.
i doubt this kid will get more than a spanking from the aruban authorities.
Buster; The photo appears to be the back of a pickup truck. That looks like a bed liner. The red item is a hydralic auto jack. I do not think it is of any significance;;;but I’ve been wrong before.
The Aruban Amigoe has something about a drug-raid as well. Think it’s about the same event.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/ (third article)
Here is a pix of Lorenzo with hair.
Interesting Jaime is here too.
Convert to grey scale and compare to the composite.
http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/lorenzo-van-rijn.html
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SM: That is incorrect and a misidentification of Lorenzo early in the case (klaasend)
I checked the local news section in Diario and seemingly, this is one of a series of ALE busts on weed growers, so I don’t see any links between this event and the NH investigation by the Dutch team.
Yea, #13, SD, I’m not holding my breath that they will do anything to him either.
Personally, I think it is a stunt to take away from the Haunting Evidence / Natalee attention. Something always seems to happen when there is any type of media attention regarding Natalee. Anyone else notice that?
Thanks Klaasend for keeping me straight: you A R E on the ball.
Where is Dennis Jacobs through all of this. I thought he was the chief narcotic agent.
Or was that narcoleptic agent
#11 – Exactly. I’m so glad someone else saw the same thing I did. SM – can you do comparison shots – L’s vs. the HE psychic’s sketch? Would be very, very interesting.
Thanks
I THINK that Lorenzo looks like the sketch that was done from the image Jim the medium saw. He also looks like Deepak. hmmmmmmmmmmm
At least they are doing something…I wonder how they got in without getting shot at? I wonder if his daddy will lawyer him up like he did the other ones???
# Vicki | June 22, 2007, 1:17 pm
Good question: “I wonder if his daddy will lawyer him up like he did the other ones???” If PvdS indeed is Lorenzos father, Paulus at least has one proven hardcore-criminal-son…
Looking at the sketch…Jamie also parts his hair down the middle
Lorenzo, in Holland goes by the name of Van Wehl or Van Weiss, supplier of ecstacy on the island of Aruba
The money man..Mike Posner and Paulus Van der Sloot are very good friends…Joran has an open line of credit. Why are they such good friends?
Mike Posner owns the Excelsior and the Holiday Inn, he’s also a convicted felon
Lorenzo can travel very quickly in many directions, a cigar boat moves very fast
I don’t think it is a coincidence that Lorenzo just happened to arrested at this time. Somebody is stepping on somebody
Its been 2 years for goodness sakes…how can these ppl live with themselves? It would be eating me alive.. As a mother wouldnt you want your kid to come clean, tell what he knows and pay his time for it???I certainly wouldnt want my child going thru the rest of their life with this burden on thm..What kind of life would you have??Unless your whole family was EVIL,or posessed….
#25…the whole family is evil..we don’t even know what they have done in the past…and I bet it’s not good
Would you even think of calling your child…a delicious sporter! Ugh!
I think they already know the kind of life that want to life…and it’s certainly not by any of our standards
Curious to see what the Mayberry Police Dept does with this one
Brie
I always thought if Barney Fife headed the investigation, blindfolded and bound, he could have solved this case in one episode, without the side bars from Otis and Aunt Bea.
Yes, the family is evil! I mean, you help and / or assist your kid cover a rape and murder?! You allow the victims family and friends to suffer just to save yourself and kid? Not to mention what they did to Natalee. How evil is that?
#16,
Goldie locks is Brandon Pietersz.
nice shirt…..what does it say on it?
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SM: LOL
it says “PUMA” (klaasend)
#28 – Miss U, as always, you nailed it.
Barney Fife, bound and blind-folded could have solved this case in one episode without sidebars from Aunt Bea and Otis, just as you stated.
And Mickey Mouse doing a tap dance with Mini, while munching on a stack of glazed donuts and conducting the London Philharmonic with Glinda’s magic wand, could have solved this case in one episode.
Popeye eating only a quarter-can of spinach ( minus the bowls-full-of-frosted flakes consumed by none other than, Mr. Jacobs), could have solved this case in one episode.
And the good old FBI, who were ready, willing, available and sent to immediately assist the ALE with any HONEST investigative efforts – could have solved this case in less than 24 hours. But honesty and integrity were sorely lacking, and clearly, the FBI was pushed OUT to the perimeters in order to obstruct them from participating in any meaningful manner.
It appears that finding Natalee was never the GOAL, when it came to certain ALE officials, “leading” the NON-”investigation”.
Makes you wonder Miss U: What took TWO YEARS to search the Van der Sloots?
Satish Kalpoe: “We got bored, and we all agreed to go to THE HOUSE.” May 31, 2005.
Beth Twitty is the documentable source of the illegitimate Lorenzo lie.
She retractd the statement.
Sorry that your lies are so well documented. I bet you are.
“It’s true that some of Beth’s stories don’t hold up. Before I went to Aruba, she told me that
the Kalpoe family had been embroiled in the odd death of a former maid, and that Mrs.
Kalpoe had been detained; it turned out the case had involved another family. She also told
me that a person on the island had fathered an illegitimate child with a friend’s wife, and
that the friend had committed suicide. That, too, does not appear to be true.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=6
Reihl World View
Recently I heard Beth Twitty make a televised accusation as to Paulus
having an illegitimate child. Internet readers know that rumor has circulated
for months and has never been documented by any evidence at all. I’ve been
told the individual in question lost his real Father, who is said to have
owned a local car dealership, some time ago. To the best of my knowledge
he has no connection to Paulus Van der Sloot whatsoever.
Update and Correction: I’ve been informed it was while on (video) with Catherine Crier
Beth made the allegation as regards Paulus having an illegitimate child. Frankly, I was
listening, not watching and am finding it increasingly difficult to pay attention to the
increasingly ridiculous media reports. I did hear her on recently with Greta and must have
been confused. It’s also becoming hard to keep track of the outlandish statements being
made as regards this case.
http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/10/06/bethoncrier/
http://thepoliticalteen.com/video/bethoncrier.wmv
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SM: Do you even bother reading the front page of SM? If you had read the front page you would see PROOF that none other than ARUBAGIRL was the one who first mentioned the “rumor” about Lorenzo being PVDS illegimate son. It was because of ARUBAGIRL and others in ARUBA that the question even came up.
This post of yours is typical of the rediculous comments posted at Refugees and the now defunct FOB. Why don’t you slither back under the rock you came from. Consider this your last post here on my watch. (klaasend)
#28…Ha..Ha..Ha….Yeah, isn’t that the truth!!! At least Mayberry was meant to be funny!
Pearl,
Like you said Natalee was never the goal, tourism was.
Little did Aruba know that alot of people are not going to let this rest. A government that intentionally hides the murder of a tourist. There is too many now involved in this, someone will crack.
In an area near me, a wife and children were killed, the father said he was shot in the leg by his wife, saying then she then murdered her kids in the back seat of the car
Now he is being questioned again, because HE CHANGED HIS STORY. Liars can’t keep the stories straight.
I remember my dad telling me that one lie will cover another and then the person can’t remember what lie they told. Remember the truth is easier.
A LIAR IS A LIAR IS A LIAR. WHETHER YOU ARE A KID, A LAWYER, A JUDGE OR A COP…
MAN UP PAULUS…..TELL THE TRUTH.
ARUBA STOP PERFUMING THE PIGS.
#30….Oh, he looks like a real piece of work !
The shirt…PUMA….people under mafia aruba
PUMA: Paulus-Urine-Mad-Assassins
Natalee Hollow Case
HE in Aruba
(some links swapped around. Here are the new ones.)
1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArNbV4mvii0
2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIo06AjRzLg
3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2sDBSqePs
4.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0aAEkSDYMT0
5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6DT0H7U6ng
6 (final)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l8mm03HsDLI
…
Justice 4 Natalee
Wow another delicious sporter arrested.
All those stories put out about Natalee running away or was sighted places I feel were put out by people who were only wanting to take the eye off the 3 last known people with Natalee and crimes against her.
I’ve always believed Natalee was drugged. I remember Charles Croes on Greta’s show. Joran said Natalee was doing drugs, possibly drinking. Joranm along with Dompig’s cousin, Boeti)was probably the ALE’s source that Natalee was doing drugs. I thought he said that in case she was found. Joran later went on to say he never saw Natalee using drugs.
Ok this is completely off topic, but I was watching Fox News with Shep Smith talking about Texas Equusearch helping look for Jessie Davis. He went on to say that the most famous case they handled was Natalee Holloways, this other reporter came on talking about Equusearch and said Equusearch were seen perhaps enjoying the nightlife a little too much in Aruba. This is the third time Shep Smith has told this story. I wish they would just name their source. Like we don’t know already. That just burns me up! Tim donating his time day in and out for free trying to find missing people, and he has to try and smear him.
i guess aruba doesn’t grasp that las vegas ad. “if it happens in vegas, it stays in vegas”. on aruba, even if you don’t do anything raucous and wild like dance and have fun with your friends, your reputation will be battered and torn, whoever you are. and they’ll smile and tell you how important you are to them as they quietly lift your wallet and slit your reputation’s throat.
dennisintn
41 Maggie- yeeeep
Shep Smith should reconsider saying
crap like that about TES! Especially,
when he got arrested during the Florida
2000 election for assault on
a female. Hey Shep, before you go banging
on the honorable Tim Miller… who BTW donates TONS
of time and resources to help families in their dire
time of need…
You might wanna make sure that the trap door to your effin
long johns isn’t wide open with yer a$$ hangin’ out
back.
Ya creep. -BOYCOTT ARUBA
http://tinyurl.com/3obdu
http://tinyurl.com/2eks46
Enjoying the nightlife in Aruba.
I have no idea where this crapola comes from, but did they expect anyone who was there searching to get up at the crack of dawn, search in the hot sun in some very smelly places all day and then go right to sleep as soon as it got dark ? You cannot search at night in the dark ! ! !
What about lunch ? Were they allowed to enjoy a lunch ?
Could they crack a smile ?
Or was that a big no no also ?
……
And where were any Arubans when Dave was in the dump ?
……
Or in some smelly ( full of birdie poopies ) bird refuge ?
..
Huh ?
# 10 , Buster.
The press could be used for making kilo bricks of weed.
These things are shipped not fluffed in the baggies, but compressed into bricks. Usually kilo bricks.
Everyone who went to Aruba to search or help was labelled a drunk, has been, an attention seeker, a money grubber.
Or way worse.
Red made a nice post ? well, it was kinda a rant !! ! in the loungs.
Key up the music from Talking Heads “Burning down the house”
……”No visible means of support and you have not seen nothing yet
Everything’s stuck together
I don’t know what you expect staring into the TV set
Fighting fire with fire
Burning down the house…..”
Maybe this will all begin to make sense. Maybe like dominoes, they will fall, people will talk and we get to the truth of Natalee Holloway….
Justice for Natalee
Maggie (#40) … Remember that Dave Holloway himself commented on the number of blond girls on Aruba. Thousands of them! He said in his book that even he sometimes would think that he saw Natalee.
And at least once, a blond girl was brought to the police station on the belief that it was her, but it wasn’t.
I don’t think there was anything sinister in these reports. Besides the motivating factor of a reward, people (some, anyway) probably genuinely wanted to have seen her.
And surely news that she was missing caused some decent people to be on the lookout for her, at least at first.
Carpe, here’s another one
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html
maybe everytime when they are introduced on the news, they can add this after their names instead of made up bunk about a man who spends his time for free trying to help families during the worst times of their lives.
Looks like Joran to me…
http://tinyurl.com/23btwt
All we’d have to do is stick a dang apple
on the MISSING LINK’S EGG HEAD and
go to the range for target practice.
I’d shoot that jive off and
part his hair like
Alfalfa’s rooftop bangs!
-j4n
#48, the good people of aruba that helped beth and family search and all the other stuff kept hearing the lies of the sloots and people like julia until their heads were turned. all the pr stuff that aruba steve and his crew perpetrated and spread is as much responsible for aruba’s mess as anything. and the fools of ahata and ata actually paid them for this garbage.
dennisintn
Here’s the visual.
http://tinyurl.com/2X6r8v
…and one more! LOL
http://tinyurl.com/2zbtdy
#41 and remember, that’s how papa sloot tried to dirty the Dutch too – they were having a good time, laughing and taking too many breaks – according to Papa Sloot. Me thinks this is simply a way to soil people’s names.
Also remember, the people with Euuisearch are giving up their vacation time and any other time they can get off real jobs to go looking for missing people. Of course they should enjoy themselves a bit. I’m surprised they aren’t all over Dave – surely he smiled at least once while he was in Aruba even if it was a wry smile.
This and the supposed post from Dave and Robin IMHO are hogwash to do anything to make us stop. We ARE having an effect on aruba and they are fighting back, smearing people’s names, picking on Jossy, sending their stupid trolls, telling us how wonderful things are in Aruba, now trying to smear Euuquisearch and the false post from Dave and Robin. Sorry, doesn’t sound like the Dave that wrote the book about his lovely daughter.
aruba started the blame the victim game long before beth and americans started talking boycott. as soon as j2k emerged as the prime suspects, the games began.
dennisintn
Man, oh man, it would take a six pack of socks to stuff Rosie!!!
Was I asleep or did I gather Dave and Robin are in Aruba with Tim.
Still need help with an address for the KIA. I can’t pull it up from the Aruba yellow pages.
SM,
Have you heard from Dave or Robin concerning the supposed post about the boycott?
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I am LIVID that Shepard Smith is taking potshots at Tim and ALL THE PEOPLE giving their time, blood, sweat and tears to find missing persons.
WHO THE HELL DOES HE THINK HE IS ANYWAY???????
I didn’t know he’d said snide things about Tim before but i heard him today.
Whats his beef here? Didn’t know he had a dog in this fight, he must be in a timeshare or something aye?
One thing i DO remember about Shep is how he stood in New Orleans drinking HIS BOTTLED WATER while those left behind by their OWN governor and mayor had none.
*Adding Shep to the $hit list*
I’m changing his name too. From this day on he’ll always be $hit shepard to me!~
1006, Have you considered calling the Dutch embassy and asking them for the address? They ought to know.
Once again, I was told that one and one do not equal two.
Maybe we need some simpler sums to do.
Why does it appear that Natalee’s family is up against a organization with enormous resources then just a couple of kids and Paul Van Der Sloot? Why does Aruba want to fight the family,hide the truth,protect the criminals and close the case? Only offering a absurd,corrupt,dishonest investigation with no question’s allowed or answers given…Only conflicting statements,lies and major conflict of interest between the suspects and everyone else involved. How can they expect anyone to forget about it and then spend our hard earned money vactioning in Aruba..
Why are the suspects so confident that they can sue for 800 million,write books about the victim,lie on national tv and sue there own Govt and lose?
I still dont see any Arubans standing up against a coverup of a drugging,rape and murder of a young girl…Why is that? Has anyone noticed that it has been something like 10 years since a american has been murdered in Aruba. They all seem to dissapear or commit suicide. Just how many tourists are buried in the aruba’s land and ocean?
Why does it seem like everyone involved knows what happened to Natalee except her own family??
Charles Croes:
There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected.
Police Commissioner Jan Van Der Straaten:
I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland. That you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed in a mental institution.
Deepak Kalpoe:
If I knew I had the devil as a friend then I would not have let this happen.
If they find the girl they will see the shit. You will get 15 years if they find the girl.
Joran Van Der Sloot:
One day I will tell the truth but right now I am not ready to do that.
Paul Van Der Sloot:
Called Natalee a corpse before she was even missing(No Body/corpse No Case)
Paul van der Sloot said in a phone conversation with (Dutch crime reporter)Peter de Vries that they had a lot to tell but they will not do that just now because of people involved who could be hurt by this information
1906, I dont believe Robin or Dave are in lieruba.
How old is Lorenzo? Is he too old to be Paulus VDS’s son?
Remember, folks, in less than one week the New Orleans protest starts. From June 27 to July 1, the Aruba Tourism Authority will be in New Orleans trying to sell a bunch of travel agents on the wonders and splendor of Aruba.
“No justice for Natalee … no tourists for Aruba.”
As you might expect, they will be confronted by protests, just as they were at Boston and at Miami.
They might see this as a very important event, because travel agents are in a position to steer people to Aruba. How many people, before Natalee vanished, ever thought of Aruba at all? And if their travel agents smiled and said “Oh, aren’t you lucky! It’s a wonderful little island!” how many people would doubt their word?
No longer. Now tragedy has exposed to the world what Aruba is really like. The people showing up in New Orleans will not let the ATA ignore Natalee’s case.
Any questions or comments, etc., can be addressed to VolunteersforNatalee@gmail.com and will be forwarded to the person in charge of things.
Beth has said outright that she continues to support the boycott. We will NEVER let Natalee’s case be forgotten!
Step outside the circle.
One straight path
to the house of rave
while of gold bricks
the street is not paved.
Answers lie mysteriously in
The magical letters
That spell sin (XTC)
Rave’s house: Not a house of rave.
She wanted to see my house..
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/raveironfist.htm
XTC= Lorenzo
Maze= drugs
Rave’s house= where parties and drugs are served.
Maybe Shango was into Marvel comics.
I think this is more than a coincidence.
I think it describes Lorenzo.
1006…Korrecktie Instituut Aruba(KIA), Santo di patia w/n, San Nicholas, Aruba. tn# 297-584-6381, fax tn# 297-584-7844.
Head of police administration is Dr A.F Maduro, Director
Send comments or ?’s to..icps@kcl.ac.uk
Joran, should never of been given a line of credit at the Excelsior, owned by Michael Posner and friend of Paulus Van der Sloot. Underage to begin with. Michael Posner is an alleged criminal. He spent 8 years in prison, with a 5 year parole. Minister of Jusice, Rudy Croes knew this and Posner should not be licensed and operating in Aruba. The paperwork was probably done by Paulus…but I would say it had to be approved somewhere within the government in the Netherlands.
Paulus and Joran aren’t worried about hurting anyone by telling the truth. They know who helped and don’t want the consequences. These people are protecting them and if they squeal..it’s lights out!!!!
Croes, Van der Straaten, Jacobs, Jaansen, Sloot, Posner, Oduber, not of which want to be exposed.
Lorenzo, the ALE, have always known of his existance. They keep him undercover. Ever ask yourself why there are no pictures of him, because he has many alias’s.
Those of corruption want Aruba all to themselves. This is probably going to a home base. The free zone is what they like best and Aruba’s location.
Tourism needs to stop sending any American’s there or anybody else for that matter. With all the immigrants coming , an outbreak of HIV/AIDS will take it’s toll.
Brie: Thank you soooo much. I was not spelling it like that.
You made my day. It’s the little things in life that keep me going. I have tried now for over two weeks unsucessfully.
IMO there were two persons that may have known where Natalee was buried. One didn’t do what he was paid to do the other one knew about it. They are both deceased.
IMO the pimps were waiting at Lorenzo’s for Natalee.
1906…your welcome…if you type in kia aruba….that is where I found it…there is also more information there, %’s and numbers.
1906- I second that… Natalee was at Lorenzos..and what ever happened happened there.
Does anyone know which way the investigation; if there is still an “Investigation”; is going.
Are they looking for more evidence, suspects, witnesses, etc.
Other than Tim Miller what is being done to find Natalee, dead or alive? Links are drying up. pictures disappearing, email addresses are no longer available.
It would seem the only thing active is SM; any ideas…What’z happening?
Does anyone know if Lorenzo has any pets?
Monkeys, parakeets, exotic birds; not things that go bump, but screech (in the night)….
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SM: Excellent question that I don’t have the answer to. I’d like to know too! (klaasend)
Forget about Joran stalking Natalee in the car like the “Psychics” said. Joran is in school and Deepak is working. At night that may be a different story. But it was shown in daylight. That leaves the following availble to cruise for female tourist around the hotels in daylight: Geoff and his VCB police shirts, Michael Dompig and his VCB police shirts, Guido who works at night, Koen who doesn’t go to school, Michael’s friend Andreas, Jaime, Freddy, Andres Santos, maybe Steve Croes, anyone else chasing tourist and of course Lorenzo…
Did you notice they did not point fingers at anyone; but they tried to re-inforce what happened to Natalee happened on the beach. The physcos (not a typo) also threw in a sketch which could be a 1000 aruban males but no resemblance to Joran. More muddy waters. Are we sure the AHATA did not sponsor this travesty. The good was Natalee got exposure on an obscure cable channel.
The monkey could have been a plant at the van der Sloot’s neighbor’s house. Bringing a possiblity that Natalee did manage to get off a phone call; and a diversion was needed to explain the background noise……
Again there is no such thing as a perfect crime; some just take longer to solve.
My original thinking was that Joarn had taken Natalee to his house in Montana. Everyone would want us to think everything happened in the northwest. I was mislead trying to fit pieces together from whatever scraps were thrown at us to try and connect the dots. The searches, the partial searches, Deepak’s car being at the van der Sloots , the monkey, the concrete work, the latest search etc. I do not believe Natalee was there on that particular night. Once outside the box things take a different perspective. The Clausen report Bulls-t. The bartender was never identified. Dave says in his book he went to the VIP and Indo restaurant and motel. The Lion’s den. The ATM withdrawals, the church, the cemetery, the funeral director and the crematorium.; all can be duplicated in the vicinity of San Nicolas. One straight path to Rave’s house. Route 1A is a straight run south about 12 kilometers towards San Nicholas taking about 20 minutes at 35kh.
Rene found in the cemetery was from San Nicolas. He worked at the Industrial Incinerator. A curve was thrown when they said he worked part time at the Oduber Hospital incinerator. Was he the only one licensed?
Does everyone remember Robert Wayne Benson. He worked at Cura Cabai.. Guess who lives about two blocks away. Lorenzo.
Branches to Paulus bank and ATM are available in San Nicolas along with the Funeral home. I picked up Joran at the McDonalds. There is one in Santa Cruz.
The VCB shirt, foam with teeth marks, sunglasses, Lysol bottle with liquid and the bloody mattress in the colony section Weg Fontein and Grapefield beach..
There is a dark side to the island maybe its also in the southeast.
1906..That could of been any of the pimps…I’m sure they keep watch at the hotels on who is arriving. Who knows, even the car drivers could be involved. They are the first one’s to see the girls and know where they are staying.
Haunting evidence has given them the location..go see!!!
Lorenzo probably has some kind of animals. It’s difficult to find out anything about him. The sound could of been birds on the island, flying over. Something wild outside.
They just announced they found the body of Jessie Davis drowned in a lake. The boyfriend has been arrested and will be arraigned on Monday where he will be offically charged.
She was missing less than two weeks. Natalee has been missing two years. Get with the program Aruba.
May Jessie and her uncorn child rest in peace. Prayers go out to her family.
Aruba!!!! Take Note:
There is no such thing as a perfect crime. Some just take longer to solve.
Does anyone know if any others besides Lorenzo were busted?
Please forgive my typo:
I’m sure all knew I meant UNBORN
1006 (#70) … I’ve been saying all along that IF Natalee were trafficked off the island, IF she were handed over to someone else for sheer sadism, for profit, for getting her out of the way, for reducing her to property, or any or all of these … that someone like Lorenzo (assuming that the stories of his being a big-time drug dealer are true) would be the one to do it.
Clearly such a thing would not be a matter of routine. But he would be the one with connections to criminal gangs (and let’s remember, again, that drugs trafficking and human trafficking are generally closely related). And looking at that face convinces me that he would take no pity on Natalee or any other girl.
He and his cohorts might have thought it was hilarious to reduce one of the American tourist girls to the status of property. Who knows what may have run through their minds?
Wonder if Aruba watched the searches for Kelsey Smith and Jessie Davis. The outcome in both was horrible, but at least the families were not tortured for years trying to find out what happened. These cases show how true searches are done.
It’s not 4 hours by a few government employees, it’s organization, grid to grid searching by thousands of volunteers day after day. It’s the authorities cooperating with investigative teams such as Equusearch, bringing in every type of equipment and technology available and everyone working together.
All the while, the authorities are right on the most obvious suspects, searching their homes, interviewing them over and over and tracking their every move.
Richard:
Realistically; is Natalee that attractive for the slave trade? In some pictures she is a knock out. In others, pardon me but you know so so. If so all the media hype over the past two years would have been the death toll for Natalee is she were held captive.
I still believe we have to identify THE GAME.
Joran.. Don’t blame the player, blame the game.
Was the game to see if they could get away with murder? If so at such a young age they had a hugh risk and a lot to loose if caught. Is that the game and not to be presecuted…????
How come this happened now? Or was this the first and something went wrong. How many other girls on the trip were approached or harassed besides Natalee? I have not read a remark by any of the MBHS students to that affect..
WHAT ? WAIT A MINUTE>>>>>>>Augustine Vrolijk—Department of Foreign Affairs–11-1-05 stating Aruba was not responsible for the investigation of Natalee. Here is a partial transcript of the letter, “The chief prosecutor leading the investigation and general prosecutor are appointed by the Kingdom Government in the Hague. Because of the separation of powers, the government of Aruba has no authority to intervene in the investigation.
Rudy Croes placed a written notice, gag order on Dompig. And also said, referring to Beth, someone shut that woman up. He is the Minister of Justice, gov’t of Aruba.
Rudy, is also responsible and knowledgeable that Michael Posner should be licensed and operating on the island of Aruba. Michael owns the Excelsior Casino and the Marriott Hotel.
As time goes on, everything becomes slimier and slimier.
Gag order was placed on Dompig and Janseen in January 2006.
Queen Beatrice, I believe she has some orders to issue.
Had to think this morning about what happened in Deepaks car while Natalee and J2K were driving to the northwest part of the island.
Joran in some statements said that Natalee during the ride mentioned her family used to have slaves and her mother was Hitler. Sometimes I have the feeling that Joran brings this “racism” thing up as a sort of excuse for what triggered the actual homicide part of the crime. He hasn’t said much more on what happened in the car. So maybe this racism-issue is more important than we think.
Could it have been that Natalee during the ride found out that Joran is circumcised (don’t know if he is but…) or otherwise found out he in fact is jewish? Maybe Natalee was surprised/shocked to learn that. And maybe for her that was a reason to reject him?
I think that could have gotten Joran to become OUTRAGED, full of hate and in the end… very violent. (You know… Racism hits to the core of a person.)
Has this been discussed before at SM?
It’s all about dimes. If the Aruban’s ever get off the dime and do what any decent Country should do about murdered tourists by their citizens…….then I could once again be persuaded to re-visit Aruba as a vacation destination once again, and spend some good old American dimes there.
Until Natalee and her family receive a sincere public worldwide apology from the Aruban government….Aruba will be the focus of negative comments from me, and after spending 16 consecutive years there!
NO one, no American, or any other nationalty, should be drugged, assaulted, raped, and die on any country’s soil without the guilty punished.
1006 (#85) … You might not understand my idea. I’m not suggesting that from the beginning, Natalee was slated for being trafficked abroad. That seems unlikely. I can’t think that Joran vdS would have those kinds of connections.
What I’m trying to convey is that the “Pimps,” or at least some of them, might have been interested in a “group session” with one of the foreign tourist girls that they found so alluring. And that Joran and his sidekicks succeeded in decoying a drunken/drugged Natalee away from her companions, and brought her to a secluded place such as Lorenzo’s house where she would be at their mercy.
And they would have none.
But Lorenzo (assuming that he is a drug dealer on the scale that is being discussed) might have decided that that would be a way both of removing a threat to them all (if she recovered) and of making points with his South American drug providers.
Remember, Americans aren’t too popular with some groups in that part of the world. There might be a sadistic psychological motive, as well as a kind of brutish glee, in subjecting an American to such an ordeal.
In any case, I’m sure that Natalee would have fought back against Joran on his own or a group. Unlike the prior Aruban victims, she would not have been cowed.
And I’m sure they would know, instinctively, that she would go to the police immediately if given a chance.
IMO MamaSloot is the key to cracking this case. She needs to become suspicous of her husbands odd behavior the very night Natalee disappeared and she was off the island. The videos of him talking to the girl that just happens to be the one missing. The ATM withdraws. The no corpse, no case conversation with the last three people the missing girl’s friends saw her with. Is she afraid to ask too many questions and end up like the bartender or incenerator operator? I do not believe there is still a body to be looking for. I believe she was originally in the shallow grave at Arawok park, but was then incenerated. The Kalpoes can only offer the truth about where they dropped them off, they do not know after that. Joran can only offer the truth about who he relinquished custody of her to and nothing after that. Paulus knows it all. Maybe I missed it, but did anyone ever figure out who Shango was and is he/she still alive? Come on Mama it’s long past time for you to demand the truth about you husband and son’s odd behavior the night the American girl, whom they were obviously interested in, went missing.
#88…In the car, Joran and the Kalpoes spoke in Papiamento..Natalee didn’t know what they were saying..Joran likes violence..supposedly he did say those things to the Kalpoes…they would of taken offense. Joran was perhaps setting up a scene for violent sex.
I read somewhere that Joran did not really like American girls.
The pimps probably have their girlfriends on the island believing they rape American girls so they won’t return.
Kalpoes may never come clean, expecially if they think they have a chance of winning a law suit.
I believe Natalee died as a result of the drug and alcohol overdose just as Paulus was on the internet researching that fateful night. He was with her when it happened and he was looking for a way to reverse the affect, but was unsuccessful.
88 – Robert
Could it have been that Natalee during the ride found out that Joran is circumcised (don’t know if he is but…)
…
This is Joran’s weapon, this is his gun…
This one’s for shooting, and this one’s for fun!
–
If he isn’t circumcised, I know of some people
who would like to do it for free.
and dat is de ruth.
-j4n
http://tinyurl.com/2dun9t
Getting back to Haunting Evidence #6 final…according to the map, there are some homes in Pos Chiquitos on the water and it looks like there is a wall behind them, to the left is a huge crevice, that is the Spanish Lagoon. Fresh and salt water flows through there.
1906..Pos Chiquitos is close to San Nicholas and San Nicholas is close to where Lorenzo lives. You asked if Lorenzo had exotic birds, etc. There are birds called terns that migrate at night to San Nicholas bay and around the area.
Carpe Noctem | June 24, 2007, 12:53 pm
I think what you mean is a BIG.., no… H•U•G•E circumcision?!
Hey Joranstein Franken-Sloot,
I ran in to your mammy at the
mall yesterday. I snapped a pic of
her with my new camera phone. Enjoy!
http://tinyurl.com/22zcgo
ROFL
Yes Robert, a huge circumcision!
The kind where you carefully snip away the foreskin
and throw the penis in the trash, leaving behind
only Joran’s tally-whacker. =) -j4n
Thanks brie about the birds; Klaasend one for your memory banks.
Richard 90. This brings me back to my feeling of the original motive.
NAMELY REVENGE or the result of a Game. Don’t blame the players, blame the game.
Natalee apparently had been stalked almost from the second day; not the first.
Her room was changed to a ground floor
Lets say there were room cameras at the HI. The pimps could monitor the girls in those rooms. The game is to pick out a victim and try to get that girl in the sack. The first to do it wins. I don’t know what would be the prize or “JACKPOT”; but they probably need some kind of proof. Underwear or whatever.
Which leads me to a clue from Shango. Something to the effect that this; whatever this is, has been going on for years and is… in so many other words, passed on to the next generation.
Her room was changed to a ground floor. But I do not know why.
It was stated on some post that Geoff and Natalee were together at some time in the casino. A tape of that was never found. But then again who looked for it until afterwards. No other girl reported any of those advances, yet Geoff and (AB) groped and humped Natalee on the dance floor at C and C’s on more than one occasion. When Natalee got upset and pushed Geoff away, it was reported that he slapped her. In my opinion Geoff is more of a psychopath than Joran. Watch his arrest tape. He is also wearing a sweatshirt similar to the security force of the VCB. They look more like SS troops than just security.
At the time of Natalee’s disappearance the VCB had not made any installations in San Nicolas. Yet the VCB shirt, tape, glasses, foam with teeth marks and the Lysol bottle, were all found in the Colony section of San Nicolas called Lagoville along Weg Fontein. By the way I believe the Lysol bottle contained dry cleaning fluid that Deepak picked up from Elton’s dry cleaners in Hooiberg.
The mattress was I believe found in Grapefield Beach also on the southeast end of the island. Lorenzo lives on the southeast end of the island. Rene lived and worked there. RW Benson, IMO nee Shango; worked and died at the south end of the island. Pitbull was found dead at that end of the island. The KIA is there. Van der Staaten has his office down there. The Industrial Incinerator is down there.
The International School is down there.
There is another lighthouse down there.
Paulus could have used the ATMs in San Nicolas.
Both banks have branches on Zeppenfieldstraat not too far from the Undertaker.
Follow the Star. That punk rock club is down there. Who from the Beach Festival had another gig in San Nicolas that night?
The H.E. show in my opinion was another red herring developed by the AHATA to draw attention away from where everything REALLY happened.
I for one have to apologize for my earlier postings. I too,was under the impression that everything happened in the Northwest end of Aruba. I know this is a 180 degree turn around; but recently, for me, the evidence is stronger that Natalee was taken to the southern part of the island. One straight path to rave’s house.
There fore Paulus has no alibi for his movements in the morning hours; he was probably in San Nicolas making arrangements.
By the way I do not believe he mentioned which Micky Dees he picked up Joran. There is another in Santa Cruz. Joran could have been dropped of there on Deepak’s way home. Hooiberg is almost around the corner. Paulus could have picked Joran up there in the AM hours. Paulus can’t remember anything can he.. It is better to ; not remember; than be caught in lies.
Also in Shango’s clues he uses the biblical expression for the possessive:
Look for the house of rave. Look to the house of Joran.
Look to rave’s house. Look to Joran’s house.I believe the reference to maze is not a room but towards a group of drugs. Mc Donald’s is also slang for drugs.
I picked up Mc Donalds for Joran at 4:00am. Hey just a thought.
In reading the original interpretation of Shango… I don’t think it was that far off base.
“the game”, pg 4:
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
“play” in the maze=play “the game”=pimps
I believe rave is also a term that applies to lions-rather, a group of lions
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:04 pm
Lucy you are wrong. It was just a simple party at his house. He was “there whole time”.
Columbo 100: He was there the whole time…
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.
I believe this is referring to Geoff van Cromvoirt;
Friends lied for you with the false alibi.
He was the sixth suspect. Lorenzo was number five.
99 By the way
Prostitution is legal at the Southeast end of the island..
San Nicolas.
Also the pet cemetery is further south of St. Nicolas.
Columbo thank you. I forgot about that. I read it so long ago. This time I saved the file. You know you can never tell the way things are disappearing
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.
CNN.com
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen’s disappearance
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html
First GUY never denies the AFFAIR
Some ELDERS of THE GAME, not just of babylon walk in older circles
He was arrested after Lorenzo was released and not considered a suspect. Then Paulus. He was released as a suspect before Geoff was arrested. It all depends on which numbers game we use. I don’t think we can say that Paulus #5 and Natalle hooked up with each other earlier in the week.
Geoff’s friend that provided the alibi, also ratted on him to get him arrested.
One that has been consistantly flying under the radar.
Then his, not Geoff’s father, claimed that Natalee died of an overdose and washed out to sea.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
~And he WALKED with the fallen elder
“Joran’s father, Paul van der Sloot, was arrested June 23 in connection with the case and was released on June 26.”
This could mean that Paulus and Jan are buddies.
So it is apparent that we both have downloaded Simian and Shango for easy reference. Klaasend you can be the referee.
Who do you think Shango was? I say that in past tense.
“The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation”
Natalee is still on Aruba
“The hope rests on the cowboys finding their own.”
The interested Americans must find Natalee
“The cowboys need to find the right path”
The USA searchers have to find the right road.
“but they can’t hear the music.”
The searchers have to find a club near where Natalee is located in order to get their bearings.
“The Arawaks know”
You have to know Aruba in order to find Natalee”
“Stupid Cowboys with Arawak Guides”
The searchers need maps not guides.
“Cowboys don’t read smoke signals,”
The searchers can’t tell who is the real mole(s)
Maybe one. Maybe all.
“they must enter the maze!”
This could mean a street map in this clue.
“Shango needs to feed the messengers.”
Another radio dispatched motorcycle cop is here.
Or if a repair shop, parts are being delivered.
“The Gods are talking.”
I have not a clue.
1006……
see “Casino?” highly recommended……
path to the maze…..is not a road:
Shango: Why did the girl owe money?
isolate all refs to a path
# 88 Richard-
You are really fishing with this one man…….
who are the gods?
Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity. (keenness of hearing, sight, INTELLECT)
Eyes of God see from afar
If ye have truth, ask not how it was begotten
And who has the Elder SlanderFoot contacted in Babylon?
Hidden ~whispers~, plans for the future.
If a bird ~whispers~ an evil secret, ~the listener~ is not the sinner!
Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.
Always remember that what is unseen is greater than what is seen
All has been seen from afar
and whispered by olorum to an earthbound son
I must leave to feed the messengers
The gods are talking
#88 double negative on that one. Source Natalee talked about slaves, Hitler, plantations and sharks.. The pathological liar and his 2 lying friends.
columbo; I’ll check it out.
What I got originally was
gold bricks path
Gold is yellow. bricks are used in buildings. Maybe an adobe brick building. Path or road.
Yellow brick road
Follow the yellow brick road.
Natalee’s favorite movie. That is as far as I got.
“You don’t have be part of dirty secret to know dirty secret”
Monkeys, monkeys,
This Lorenzo character’s possible involvement in Natalee’s case is going nowhere. Please, don’t get you hopes up. Don’t let them do it to you again.
In my opinion, Dompig stated it clearly (before the boogie-man visited him). “They are guilty as hell.”
I have no doubt that Joran raped Natalee, and when she fought back. He killer her. Paulus was brought in to cover it up, and Natalee was: 1. buried in the landfill (my first choice). 2. taken to sea (my second), 3. buried with another body, 4. incinerated, 5. or placed in a deep vertical mine shaft and covered with tons of rocks and dirt.
Joran is a liar–this is no doubt, but how does he act when caught in a lie? Answer–he becomes violent as hell. I personally thinks he believes his lies. His reaction to any type of rejection is violence of an extreme nature.
We all know what a pig Joran is. Could he possible hold himself off Natalee long enough to take her to a party with the pimps? Could he possible control his anger when Natalee refused his advances?
That he killed her is clear. What happened after that is a mystery.
Jerry
#88, Robert….I’ve wondered about the racism overtones too. Especially since Nadira commented “She (meaning Natalee) didn’t like my black boys” (Nadira might have said ‘dark’ instead of ‘black’, can’t recall, but I think it was ‘black’ and she might have said ‘didn’t want anything to do with’ instead of ‘like’…but you get the gist)…anyway, here’s a couple of whatifs I’ve entertained…
Joran writes in his book about how he hangs out with the dark skinned crowd and gets girls for them. I would assume this means he gets white girls for them. So what if Natalee was slated to be Deepak’s date and not Joran’s at all? (but she wasn’t aware of it) What if it was Deepak in the backseat with Natalee and Joran was driving the car? (like when they stopped to take a whiz like Deepak said they did, Deepak not Joran gets in the back seat with Natalee)… That boy Charles Croes asked (allegedly at the California lighthouse) ‘who drives *enter description of Deepak’s car*’ and the boy said, “Joran VDS”. Hence, Joran was driving at some point. And as easy as it is to think gang bang, it may not have been. It could have just been Deepak’s turn for a tourist. And you really have to wonder why Deepak would drive Joran and a date around in his car. Perhaps he wasn’t afterall.
So carrying on with this possible scenario, what if Natalee rejected Deepak’s advances and -not being racist, but just stating her rights- said she was not into black guys? (again, Nadira said Nat didn’t like her black boys) and this is where the racist thing began and why it keeps being a major issue with Joran is that it is where the night began to go downhill for him.
It was Deepak who consistently said Natalee was acting crazy (to me this means she was having a fit over what was going on) and Deepak is also the one who is charged with saying “Leave the Bitch” and he is the one who made those remarks about her ‘being a slut in dress, action, and word’. Deepak to me seems to be the one most disturbed and disappointed in the way the evening went, so that could mean FOR HIM.
Now I’m going to drop back to statements made very very early in the case, almost before it became a case….about “leave the bitch”….it was said that Deepak said Natalee got out of the car and ran. He said Joran wanted to go after her, but Deepak said ‘leave the bitch’. (as if he could make that decision since she was his date anyway?) Joran then ran after Natalee but she didn’t want to get back in the car. Joran tried to pick her up, but she pushed him away. Deepak goes on to say Joran did convince her to get back in the car and that is when they took her back to the HI. See how some of that plays into the lies told later on? About how Joran tried to carry her? (beach) About how she refused to go with him?(beach) About her pushing Joran?(Holiday Inn) I think there’s something to this. As lies goes when people are guilty of something, the lies tell the story but in a different context to where the perp appears innocent and not up to anything at all. And it’s possible that the first thing they needed to cover was that Joran pimped Natalee to Deepak.
So let’s say Natalee did get back in the car to go to the HI. This time Joran was in the backseat with her. Let’s also say that Joran had roughed natalee up a bit in one of his anger things while trying to quiet her and get her to get back in the car. Let’s say she got back in because she really had no other choice.
Now let’s input Joran’s ‘adamant’ concern over going home because he had school the next day, thus leaving Natalee no matter that she protested. Let’s say that this happened when Deepak dropped Joran off at home and Deepak left with Natalee to take her to the HI. Natalee protested Joran leaving her because she didn’t want to be alone with Deepak after he tried to rape her. (but Deepak is thinking she’s a racist again)Let’s say Natalee made a phone call on her ride back to the HI and let’s say it said more than “I don’t know these people” and let’s include that it said something like, “I don’t know these black people” further infuriating Deepak.
Deepak, a**hole that he is, is at this point thinking he’s a good guy taking Natalee back to the HI and she isn’t appreciating it, so he gets offended and angered and dumps her beside the road somewhere, then just goes on home himself. As this would coincide with the 3AMish time frame when the call was said to have been made and when Nadira saw the car home, I would suppose Satish had been taken home earlier because as Nadira said ‘one of her boys (yeah, she said ONE of, she didn’t name names when she certainly could have) didn’t like what was going on in the car’. Now as I don’t think Satish would give a crap if Joran was forcing himself on a girl, I do think he would be bothered by his own brother doing it and possibly facing rape charges since Natalee was protesting. So I say, they called Satish a p*ssy and took him home or took him home to stage an alibi, but his behavior suggests his brother should stop what he was doing, not that Joran should stop. Satish could give a rat’s arse about Joran.
Going a bit further, let’s say Joran didn’t want any trouble because he was the one seen luring her away, so he wanted to make sure Deepak took Natalee to the hotel. (and he regrets not having seen to it that she made it? I mean that seems to be his only regret in all this…. that he didn’t make sure she got back to the HI safe for his own skin, not hers) Deepak tells Joran he dumped her off.
Now we can enter in what Joran said about ‘why did they come to my house first, it was your car’….seen doing what? Dropping natalee off on some beach (or not on a beach but at a crackhouse)? And leaving her there? Did Deepak knock Natalee upside her head in anger before he chucked her out of the car? Did he leave her there injured? Did Joran then tell daddy who figured his son was in a big mess so daddy goes back to get Natalee from where Deepak dumped her and takes her to his house in hopes of consoling her into not blaming Joran? Or did Joran cause an injury to Natalee’s head when he struggled to get her back in the car…or as one psychic suggested she got a head injury at the VDS house after Joran attacked her again there when she tried to leave? Who knows…but….
Basically what I’ve drawn up is Deepak was rejected because Nat was not into dark skinned guys and things went downhill because of perceived racism. Why would Joran say he messed around with Nat if he didn’t? Joran makes up all this stuff he, himself, did to Natalee just to ‘prove’ to everyone that it was him and not Deepak who was Natalee’s intended date for the evening because otherwise too many questions would be asked. I mean if Joran were to say Natalee and Deepak did this and that in the back seat everyone would start screaming gang rape because Joran was the one Natalee went off with. So it’s something they would really have to keep secret. (and you know there was never any need for Joran to say what ‘he and Natalee did’ in the backseat or anywhere. He didn’t even have to say he touched her or even kissed her at all. In fact, it would have served him better to say nothing about ‘what they did’. So there is a reason why he is saying it and it’s possible the reason is to keep from saying anything about Deepak being with her aka nat having Deepak forced on her.
I don’t think you’re fishing at all, as #108 says. It’s likely Nat was for Deepak that night. And the ‘something bad’ they say that happened to Natalee was an inside joke to themselves that the southern white girl got stuck with a black boy.
Not to keep typing more stuff in this lenghty post…but does anyone recall it being said there is a law in Aruba that if a local takes a tourist off and said tourist doesn’t show back up to go home, it is considered kidnapping? Could this be another reason why Paulus got so heavily involved? Because it was Joran who would be blamed even if Deepak were with her last because no one knew this except Joran…leaving Deepak in position to deny everything? So Deepak didn’t mind leaving Natalee God knows where because it would end up being Joran’s skin anyway should she not return to her hotel. But now that she did not return, Deepak and Joran are at each others’s mercy to not tell the whole story?
113 disgustedmom If the tourist was drunk and went with that person and she disappeared then yes, I remember it would have been kidnapping.
1006…I tend to want to think the Southern end of the island as well. There are actually sharks there so the tourists and natives say…and I don’t know about you all, but when Joran said Natalee wanted to see sharks I assumed those big ones that eat people, but there are many harmless to humans reef sharks in the shallow lagoons that feed at night! And it seems like I recall someone saying there was a full moon out the night Nat went off with Joran? Can anyone verify this?
Here’s something interesting I found on Aruba.com….just the mention of pet cemetary and Charles of arubafastphones jumps in for Lee and denies human burial there…with an exclamation point! …august of 2005…..and doesn’t answer the question about the history of the cemetary.
Cecile
08-18-2005, 12:15 PM
Lee, I have a question for you? I was in Aruba from May 23 til June 2nd. We went to Baby Beach. As we were leaving we drove past a pet cemetary. Some of the markers looked like people markers (too long lives for pets)
Do you know the history of this cemetary? I asked a few people at our hotel and they knew about it but not the history…Just curious
charles
08-30-2005, 09:16 AM
Cecile,
To answer your question, Just pets!
charles
arubafastphones.com
I found another cross that was not a grave marker too…it is actually under water behind the Esso Club. It’s been there since 1963 for what reason I have no idea.
1906…..
gold bricks……hmmmmm……..a house of gold bricks……who is the winner if you lose a game of blackjack?
good variety of pictures of the area south.
http://travel.webshots.com/album/79107702aUuzAr?start=12
http://travel.webshots.com/album/280241767rfunzR check out all of this person’s albums. Great pictures!
This one of behind the Esso Club is interesting per HE…the wall, buildings in the distance and the pile of white stuff could be mistaken for a rock. And could that be a fisherman hut on the far right?
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1263863111014336141mkCtGx
Do you all remember people (ok, yeah, psychics) suggesting you had to go through ‘gates’ to get to where Joran took/left Natalee? Well, I read that you have to go through gates at the Esso Club to get to Baby and Roger’s Beaches.
Sorry for the poor read. I’m really tired, and did not proof-read. My dad got his tractor stuck, and I went down to help him out. It went down hill from there. I burned the transfer case in my pickup, got cactus all in my body, and didn’t get much sleep. The string of bad luck finally ended when I ask the Lord for help.
Jerry
I don’t think this has even been mentioned before…but the lagoons have fresh and salt water flowing through them..mostly fresh water..the natives of Aruba said there are baby alligators on the island, they eat them and they taste like chicken. Where there are baby alligators, there are big alligators. They don’t hatch from monkey’s.
57 – 1006
The best I could find on KPA…
http://www.kparuba.com/contacts.html
If you look at Lorenzo’s house, above, there is a wall, the police are standing by it, there is also a gate, there could of been a screeching sound from the terns migrating at night. They were migrating and nesting when Natalee was on the island. No one has searched Lorenzo’s property because it surrounded by electric wire. Heavily guarded, he’s got a stash of stuff in that place, probably man-eating dogs, weapons, there may be a cove of some type where he keeps his cigar boat, it wouldn’t be accessible to anyone else. They say his father committed suicide, or did he?
The ALE knows he is the supplier of ecstasy, just like they know all the crack houses and more. But they don’t do anything to clean any of this up. I guess if you try to, your part of history.
carpe…thank you I’m trying to put dots on my maps.
I must say that sometimes when you get wound up your posts are pretty funny
Let’s see………We can take a policeman and get a confession in a short period of time but yet Aruba and the Dutch are spending time doing God knows what…….Just pick up the three amigoes and papa smurf and stick their asses in jail and tell smartass Urine that it is now time to tell the truth. The truth could be discovered in a very short time period. But….
do you think this will ever happen?
#123, sadly I don’t think anything is going to happen until Natalee is found. Period. ‘no body, no crime’. Even those who could be charged with some Aruban form of obstruction of justice can’t be charged until they know for sure via a body that a crime was committed. I don’t even think a confession would be taken seriously if it did not produce a body. And even then, without proper evidence to prove the confessor was telling the truth (as opposed to trying to get his 15 minutes of fame) I wonder if a conviction would happen.
I also doubt if Natalee were still alive and showed up and told her story if she’d be believed.
Well, if Natalee were still alive and showed up and told her story I’d believe her, she is the only one I would believe. All the rest are insanely unbelievable.
Looking again at Haunting Evidence and watching video #6 and stopping the video at certain points and listening to his description, I think what he sees is De Palm Beach and the Spanish Lagoon.
Aren’t we getting to the point…Where’s…………the Queen!
Aren’t we getting to the point…Where’s…………the Queen!
Comment by Brie | June 25, 2007, 12:23 am
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At last check, Elton John
was back in England.
disgustedmom | June 24, 2007, 8:14 pm
“… the lies tell the story but in a different context … .” That’s EXACTLY what I mean!
- “… he gets white girls for them …” That could be VERY plausible!
Thanks for responding: you’ve clearly read far more into the facts and statements than I have; that were the facts I was looking for. And as far as your theories: much of that could be very true!
Two remarks:
- The fact that Satish didn’t like what was going on in the car could also mean that he was the only one who cared for Natalee and was shocked what he saw; maybe he’s the one police should pressure cause maybe he’s the one who’s about to crack!
- I think a reason why Joran and Satish absolutely refuse to say more could be that they know (A LOT) more of eachother. It could be that this drugraping was a very normal routine!
(BTW: when I first read: “the 3AMish” I thought: 3 Amish? What do the Amish have got to do with this. But no… I got it now…)
disgustedmom | June 24, 2007, 8:14 pm & Robert | June 25, 2007, 2:25 am
“… the lies tell the story but in a different context … .” That’s EXACTLY what I mean!
Dana Pretzer had something about this theme in his show recently. Very interesting stuff! http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/03/the-dana-pretzer-show-sunday-june-3rd-2007-9-pm-et-special-guests-dr-andrew-hodges-stephanie-good/
But looking at comment nr. 14 I see that you listened to that…
BleachedBlack (#108), my post was #90, not #88.
I’m considerably peeved right now … after typing a reply for about twenty minutes, I was told once again that I’d “failed the challenge”; i.e., that 1+1 are NOT 2!
Running out of time.
Anyway, no need to review once again the premises on which I’ve based my idea that Natalee could have been handed over to Lorenzo or to someone like him for disposal abroad.
What does this accomplish?
1. Getting her off Aruba and out of the public eye (they would have thought at the time).
2. Humiliation of the “rich American tourist”; the kind that (in these perverted minds) “lord it over us Arubans. Now we’ve turned the tables … WE’VE come out on top!”
3. Cementing ties with drug traffickers, and probably bringing in a good sum of money.
4. Gratification of sadistic impulses … carrying “the game” a step further.
5. Adolescents reveling in their own power … controlling this girl’s destiny, so to speak.
6. If some kind of group event did take place, it’s not impossible that girls were there too. That whole realm of female jealousy is something better addressed by others.
(Some might think this is too extreme to be possible. Monitor the news for a while and then tell me that.)
1006 likes to quote Joran’s saying: “Don’t blame the players. Blame the game.”
Games players tend to follow them to the farthest extent, the ultimate point. We don’t yet know what that was.
All this is a hypothesis that will go up in smoke if Natalee’s body is found on land or sea.
Two years later, it hasn’t been. No crime scene, no evidence, no sign of her anywhere. So the hypothesis, while not very popular, remains possible.
It is my opinion that many ‘terns’ on Aruba sound similar to a monkeys screech.
Terns are a group of generally general medium to large sea-birds typically with grey or white plumage, often with black markings on the head. Most terns hunt fish by diving but some pick insects off the surface of fresh water. Terns are generally long-lived birds, with several species now known to live in excess of 25 to 30 years. There are 44 species worldwide and 13 species (listed below) which occur in the Netherlands Antilles.
Gull-billed Tern Sterna nilotica
Caspian Tern Sterna caspia
Sandwich Tern Sterna sandvicensis
Royal Tern Sterna maxima
Roseate Tern Sterna dougallii
Common Tern Sterna hirundo
Least Tern Sterna antillarum
Bridled Tern Sterna anaethetus
Sooty Tern Sterna fuscata
Black Tern Chlidonias niger
Large-billed Tern Phaetusa simplex
Black Noddy Anous minutus
Brown Noddy Anous stolidus
*Info from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_of_the_Netherlands_Antilles#Terns
*Now…to hear the sounds some of these make, go here:
http://identify.whatbird.com/obj/500/overview/Royal_Tern.aspx
on this pg. is the Royal Tern … click on the ‘wav’ sound below “Listen to Call” then scroll down to bottom of page to hear some of the other ‘tern calls’. SOME sound very much like a monkey!
Here’s a link to an article today out of Wisconsin. The events are seriously confused, but a woman was murdered and buried in a back yard … a boy was tortured and left tied up in a closet … and girls were involved who are quoting referring to the “cult” atmosphere.
In other words, it seems that a small group of people can reinforce each other’s behavior. It’s as though a kind of groupthink, if left unchallenged and not open to rival viewpoints, can infect the minds of all involved.
Now, of course, we don’t have to worry about things like this happening in Aruba …. I don’t mean these kinds of events, but rather tourists being targeted for rape and possibly for “worse” …just too outlandish of an idea.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/13556404/detail.html?rss=c3k&psp=news
Richard: I learned the hard way too. Type your post on word. Do spell check and save it. Copy and paste for your post. Once it goes through erase it if you do not need it for reference. I can’t tell you how many I lost.
I’ve failed the addition challenge myself, too. How ironic that a board about Natalee’s disappearance 1 and 1 would not equal 2.
Richard | June 25, 2007, 6:34 am & 10061906 | June 25, 2007, 8:33 am
I’ve never had any trouble with posting and with the “What is the sum of …”-plugin even when it was still working/summarizing.
Maybe it’s a Browser – WordPress(plugin) compatibility problem? Perhaps try with another browser to test it?
#129, Richard, I totally understand where you’re coming from 1-6.
It’s hard sometimes for people to accept that the type of thing you’re saying actually goes on even in the most ‘respectable’ of towns. Sometimes people simply do not want to know that there are such horrid people in this world living right next door. One reason why is because it makes them feel paranoid and judgemental, and another reason why they don’t want to know it is that it makes them unhappy. I use the word ‘unhappy’ as opposed to ‘sad’ because the trend with so many these days is to be “happy” all the time no matter if it inflicts ‘unhappiness’ on others…they deliberately don’t think about anyone else’s pain if it would cause them to be ‘unhappy’ even for a moment. If that makes sense.
I mean, look at Anita and Nadira just days after Beth went there upset beyond words over her daughter being missing and under potentially sickening circumstances. Anita and Nadira couldn’t put a sad face on -sincere of not-to save their lives! They jumped right past the ‘real issue’ of some stranger’s precious child being gone to ‘don’t blame us’. OK, so Anita did look genuinely upset at one point, but that was over her son and her own life having become a mess of unhappiness. Anita and Nadira made an empty attempt to say how sad this was for Natalee and her family, but overall they both couldn’t wait for everyone to leave them alone so they could get on with being happy as if nothing had happened to Natalee. And Paulus and Joran? What has been their attitude? “Yeah she’s missing but we have a life to live so leave us alone with your misery”. And some cops? “Oh, come on, don’t get your panties in a wad. Just go have a beer”. And Charles Croes not getting it at all either: “All this over ONE missing GIRL?” And Joran again: “This would have happened to someone esle” meaning someone else would be having to be made unhappy instead of him.
Yes, it’s all about people feeling happy and not giving a dam* about anyone who might bring down that happy feeling and actually getting mad over being in an unhappy situation that they were a part of but don’t want to be unhappy enough to admit…it’s about only caring about others if said other can bring you ‘happiness’ and making that person who dare have entered their lives and ’caused’ them a moment’s unhappiness to have to put up with, the demon to their victimization. These people see themselves as victims of someone ruining their day that was supposed to be happy.
It’s also about boredom and young people seeking mindless excitement rather than indulging in constructive ventures. And since the trend has been going on for a while, some young people have now grown older, even had children, but have not matured.
And it also stems from lack of personal sense of accomplishment, and by that I mean being the sort of person of good morals/ethics/humility/selflessness/respectable talents and goals that creates an inner peace that can’t be outwardly seen or appreciated by the public who does not know you. These ‘lost souls’ instead find a false sense of personal accomplishment when others think they are cool and they SEEK to fall to peer pressure rather than weigh it and perhaps reject it. Peer pressure doesn’t stop with childhood either, and the goal is to be on the winning side no matter if it’s good or bad. And in places like Aruba, the goal of the winning side is to ‘take’ tourists for whatever they can get out of them while they are enjoying their vacations. (I’m not saying it’s a bad thing to want to get as much from tourists as you can, but sometimes it turns crooked and deceitful and then it’s not OK)
In a nut shell, it’s called Extreme Narcissism which breeds Sociopathy when unchecked. As this trend has been going on for so long, we now have Narcissistic Sociopathic parents raising Narcissistic Sociopathic offspring.
So I can see where self preservation (1-6) took prescidence over everything in this case and probably snowballed out of control as the days went on perhaps even in trying to find a way to return Natalee without being themselves unhappy. (They fail to see that they might feel happy in making Natalee’s family find some peace because they are not trained up this way) Whether she was sold or traded or not, the means to happiness for them meant endless unhappiness for Natalee and/or her family and they chose themselves to care about. And I can see where they would justify getting even with the person/Natalee or persons/Natalee and her family who ’caused’ them to have their lives interrupted to where they had to include something in their lives that they didn’t want to. It’s like they are saying, ‘what happened to my happiness (my toys) I had just a day before? You took it! When are you going to go away and let me have it back? I liked living the way things were before you ruined everything so I can’t play with my toys/happinesses in complete mindless freedom anymore. so now you’re going to pay. we can make it worse and you deserve it. You should have just let me do what I wanted to do and not make me unhappy for doing it.’ Overaged 2 year olds!
Final note on this mindset….they are shallow and ignorant because they have come to the point where the ’cause’ of things is the end result of their own actions. In other words, their own actions don’t play a part…it’s only where the trouble for them began that is the cause of their unhappiness, and the trouble began when ‘something bad’ happened to Natalee while the boys were just finding happiness, hence they see this as all Natalee’s fault.
I also have failed the addition challenge, numerous times. Maybe when we summit, if another post is in transaction at that particular moment, we’re not in a co-called queue. I don’t know
And maybe it’s symptomatic of today’s world … after reading the news, don’t all of us feel, at some point, that the basics are gone wrong, that lunacy has taken over?
And what better way to define lunacy than in a world where one and one do NOT equal two?
Thanks for the advice, 1006. I’ll have to try that. On the other hand, loss of my posts is no great matter….
Monkeys,
I’m sorry, things go around and around, and as for me they always end up in the same place. That place is the landfill, and so there you have it. They (we all know who) put Natalee’s body in plastic and put her in a dumpster, and watched to make sure no one discovered it. Daddy heard about it and the four went to the landfill in an effort to find Natalee’s body. This is what Junior saw, and he made up the rest.
This will be my last post until a time comes when they again to search the landfill. I don’t think all the money in Texas would be enough to accomplish the task. Maybe, just maybe something else will entice me back into the muddy waters, but believe me I will look before I leap.
Enjoyed in sincerely,
Jerry
Is there a possibility that Natalee may have been offered to party and they all went to San Nicolas? There are discos and bars and punk rock clubs and prostitution is legal and Rene lived there and RWB worked near there and Lorenzo’s house is not that far away and the KIA is there and Van der Straaten works there and there is a light house there and nice beaches where one can watch the sun rise; San Nicolas’s name has something to do with the sunrise and the International School that Joran attends is there and they found the VCB shirt, glasses, foam and Lysol bottle in Lagoville and the bloody mattress I believe was Grapefield Beach and Chartreuse Parakeets make a lot of screeching noises and terns nest there. Could this be the seedy side of the island. It is more industrialized. Valero refineries are there and the Water Desalination plant is there and the Industrial Incinerator. All the locals know all the good spots and empty house along the airfield and Joran could learn about these places while attending school and the bank branches with ATM’ are there and only a couple of addresses apart and more churches than in Noord and and……….and “the colored live there”. Weren’t colored once called “SLAVES”
Since nothing moves on Aruba unless the Mansur family says so isb’t it a little strange that no one has shut up Jossey. He has thrown enough BS around and was proven he shoots from the hip. How do you spell M O L E .
How come no one else was interviewed on H.E.
More AAHATA PR. That was as bad as Arrest Wanted or was that Arrest and Development.
#139….makes sense. Things tie together the way you say. And nothing ties together the way J2K et als have tried to say things went down.
I would not doubt one bit that several MB went to a party, and I would not doubt that Joran led them to it. And I would not doubt Natalee went later after the others had gone. (11PM ish?). I also would not doubt if some MBie who was already there sent Joran back for Natalee. (the infamous ‘go to Natalee’ remark could mean go get her)And I would not doubt if GVC was there. I would imagine this would be a good reason why Natalee didn’t have a problem going off with Joran alone. And I would imagine this has not been told by any MBie’s IF it is true, and the reason why would be because at first they didn’t see any reason to let their parents know they had ventured to untame places while on the trip because they thought Natalee would turn up. Then it was too late and seemingly irrelevant to bring it up because Natalee never made it to the party anyway. Joran lied to her about taking her to her friends.
Think about this ‘what if’….2 of Natalee’s room mates (Madison and Ruth) had information from Joran about a party. They leave and go there about 11PM. (they said they went back to the hotel about that time) Joran is there at the party waiting (not messing around as he said he was). He is waiting for the one he thought was pretty…that would be Madison. But Madison had a date…someone on the trip with her. Joran also liked Ruth but she had a date too with her bf from MB. They tell Joran to go get Natalee; she likes him. He goes to CC’s then and asks Natalee if she wants to go to the party where her friends are with him. She says yeah. Joran then asks her if she can find dates for 2K. Natalee DID ask 2 girls if they wanted to go with some guys she’d met! That part is true according to the 2 girls she asked. They say no. So Joran doesn’t want to go to the party now because 2K don’t have dates. So Joran calls his gf for himself because he’s not interested in Natalee. He says his gf declined, but did she really? They take Satish home and leave Natalee to Deepak. Natalee is not happy and then the rest is history. well…theoretically anyway.
Hello: Is there anyboby out there?
Does anybody still really care?
Any news about the rest of Joran’s book?
Did/does Lorenzo have any exotic birds or animals?
Any results from the latest dutch dog and pony show?
What material is Lorenzo’s house made of: Yellow “gold bricks” and is his driveway paved?
As opposed to Yogi Berra’s house street is Lorenzo’s one long straight driveway?
Has Aruba finally wore ya’all down? Maybe so. Unless they bring in the perps and give them a proper interrogation and actually do something with the results like arrest and convict then we’ll never see justice. What are the odds of this happening?
1906, DAVE,
Care, yes deeply; just burned out and need a break. What I believe no one will understand. What I know is zero.
Jerry
Jerry:
What I understand no one would believe.
I have had to re-direct my thougts and efforts.
Joran is guilty of something;
Geoff, Michael and Guido: something more.
Too many things happening simoultaneously when Natalee disappeared.
She got caught up in something I still can’t understand.
Even if we new all that went down in detail in the hours and days since Natalee went missing… what can we do? Legally nothing. Morally wait till the perps stand before the almighty. I do not believe Aruba will ever bring them in and dole out just punishment. Aruba will remain silent and those of us here will go on with our daily lives as we become frustrated with the lack of humanity and pure evil of the Island Aruba.
Dave you got that right; maybe if Natalee or her body were to be found; maybe we would have a chance.
And it all depends on who does and who is with the who that does just may give us the justice. I just feel that Guido and Geoff were in that white trailing car behind the Kalpoes. Somewhere Natalee was transferred to that car and then taken to Rave’s House.
One straight path to the house of rave (rave’s house)
while of gold bricks the street is not paved.
If we just knew the starting point we may be able to find it.
Two years ago it was thought to be Lorenzo’s. Appearently a rumor that Natalee’s clothes were found there. But all the lies the ALE fed us points to the Northeast; not Lorenzo’s.
There are so many lies; it definitely are smoke signals and cowboys must learn to read them.
I’m appaled that it took all this time for someone to have been visiting to come up with possible pictures of natalee holloway. Why now? I know the parent’s are glad but if i were them i would be concerned as to why nearly 8 years later? I’m sure the family will be glad should it be her that they can give her a proper funeral and they can now rest in peace and have a peace of mind that the nightmere is finally over.”
I don’t want to sound condesending but may you now be able to keep that faith in God “.I have already prayed to God that he blesses you folks and that you can finally get justice for your then beautiful daughter and that those responsible definately get what’s coming to them here on earth and after the ever lasting life with Jesus our Lord. He will not allow them to get away with it.May your family smile as she is looking down at you.