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This morning in Portsmouth, NH at a presser Donald Trump took credit for President Barack Obama finally releasing his “long form” certificate of live birth. Trump played the role of the conquering hero in making Obama finally say “uncle” as Trump stated, “I am very proud of myself”. Of course the question will always remain, why did Obama wait so long to release the document, why did the Hawaii Governor say it did not exist and why would Obama spend millions to prevent it’s release?
“Today I am very proud of myself, because I’ve accomplished something that nobody else was able to accomplish,” Trump said after landing in the Granite State.
More from Real Clear Politics:
“I’m taking great credit and you have to ask the president, ‘why didn’t he do this a long time ago? Why didn’t he do it a long time ago?’ When Hillary Clinton was asking, when everybody was asking, why didn’t he do it? It’s shocking. It’s shocking,” Donald Trump said at a press conference this morning on President Obama’s birth certificate.
Was Trump really to credit for Obama’s release of the birth certificate as recent polls shows an alarming amount of people who definitely believed Obama was born in the USA? Or did Obama release his “TRUMP” Birth card in order to get some type of bounce in the polls so that he would not go below 40%?
Posted April 27, 2011 by Scared Monkeys Barack Obama, Birth Certificate, Donald Trump, Lost in Smallness, Polls | 68 comments |
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Q: Of course the question will always remain, why did Obama wait so long to release the document, why did the Hawaii Governor say it did not exist and why would Obama spend millions to prevent it’s release?
A: Because Barry Soetero is a natural born Elitist/Anti-American/ Socialist-borderline- Marxist, HYPROCRITICAL LIAR.
Always believed he was born in HI, but the point remains the same—WHY ALL THE FUSS MR. PRESIDENT AND WHAT ELSE ARE YOU HIDING? How’s your buddy William Ayers doing anyway?
WHAT A JOKE of a MAN that fooled the American Public and bought his way into Office with the help of ACORN.
AMERICA! Don’t be fooled again.
THE ONE IS ONE AND DONE.
Since The Donald is visiting NH today, question remains—will he throw his hat in the ring for the GOP? Incredible human being WHO IS PRO AMERICAN BIG BUSINESS. If he could run our Country the way he has run his RE business for years, the Donald has my vote, that’s for sure!
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Klaas—Pls search spam folder-my post just went poof.
Thanks
I am neither pro or con Obama and the birth certificate issue. As a commercial artist it is evident to me that it has had significant Photo Shop work done. Just look at the safety print background.
I question why this would have been done on such an important document as this?
The Donald will keep fighting for the Clintons. This Birth Cert isn’t legit. Opening it up in Adobe Illustrator and de-”masking” shows that it is a document with many layers. The document should have only one layer.
This document is stamped as an “abstract” and was created on April 25th. Just what does an abstract mean? Is it an abstract of the Long Form Birth Certificate that everyone has been asking for and still hasn’t been produced? Just a month ago the Governor of Hawaii claimed that there was no Long Form Birth Certificate for Barack Obama. So, who is lying?
Smell test not passed. The Clintons, the original birthers, will continue to pursue more legitimacy through Trump.
Until America sees a birth certificate that shows his height and birth weight and has not been recreated in layers, the question has not been answered.
Disclaimer – I believe Obama was born here. I also believe that where there is smoke there is fire. Holding this information for two years while a decorated soldier was sent to prison and additional chaos it created, as well as mounting a defense to not show this piece of paper speaks volumes that something is wrong.
Like the rooster taking credit for the sunrise. Makes him the perfect Republican candidate...
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SM: Jimbo, why would Obama have spent millions to prevent this doc from being released?
He’s “proud.” Like the kid who has been screaming for a half hour in the grocery store is “proud” of the piece of candy his mother gets him to shut him up…
Poorly done photoshop….Trump will keep pushing. Here are just a few things that show that the document is a photoshop enhanced document:
When the PDF is opened in Illustrator the following occurs:
1) The birth registration number in the upper right – the final “1″ has been placed into this document. Upon opening in Illustrator it moves down and over onto the preceding #4. Upon zooming in tight, it is clear that the first four numbers are dark from one scan which appears to be a non grayscale scan. The number “1″ appears to be a CMYK scan.
2) The “R” in BARACK – has the same character issues as the 1 above. Upon opening in Illustrator, the layer drops about one half character below the “BA” and “ACK”.
3) The “M” in P.M. has the same problem as #2
4) MOST ALARMING!!! The box that states – “Is residence inside city or town limits? If no, give Judicial District” has been the most manipulated area. The “o,” and “gi” as well as the X in the yes box are photoshopped and appear in a different layer (the same layer noted in 1,2, and 3). Becoming very clear that the birth certificate that this was lifted from had to be reworked in this area as the check mark from the original that it was lifted from was raised into those letters – see this link to review the birth certs that it was lifted from and note the “X” has risen into the “no, give” area, thus requiring the rework:
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2009/Jul/28/M1139416728.GIF
This is the smoking gun that this is a fake birth certificate lifted/photoshopped from the Nordyke birth certificates published in July 2009.
5) The “K” in Kenya was reworked like above.
6) The “S” in Stanley was reworked like above.
7) The “K” in Kansas was reworked as above.
8) The “p” in triplet has been reworked.
At the end of the day, this appears to be a fraud. I am not a birther, but there are some major questions here. MAJOR. If the birth certificate was a scanned photocopy, NONE of the above should have taken place. The PDF posted by the White House should have been a single layer. Instead, it is clear that this document has been manipulated into multiple layers….and most importantly, it appears to be lifted from the Nordyke birth certificates.
The two smoking guns that need a lot of explaining are 1) the alteration to the birth registration number, and 2) the alteration to the jurisdiction of birth section.
This may be worse than the Dan Rather blunder. Wow!
Honestly, I believe this is all a farce. Now suddenly he has a Hawaii birth certificate and he’s decided to release it after all this time. I smell a rat.
Obama is not eligible to be President as he was not a “Natural Born Citizen”. He was not born of two American Citizen Parents. His dad never was an American Citizen. Does not matter if he was born in Hawaii or not if both parents are not American Citizens and I’m still not convinced he was born in Hawaii.
So both of his parents were Natural born citizens of the USA????
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I’m still not convinced he was born in Hawaii.
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Which is exactly why there was no point in releasing it at all.
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Obama is not eligible to be President as he was not a “Natural Born Citizen”. He was not born of two American Citizen Parents. His dad never was an American Citizen. Does not matter if he was born in Hawaii or not if both parents are not American Citizens
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I was wondering if you could point me to any legal basis for this? I think its pretty clear that by any standard the child of a citizen that is born in the USA is a citizen.
#11 A U.S. Citizen yes but not a “Natural Born” citizen,his father was not an American Citizen. PERIOD
Keep denying all you want. His lineage comes from the father. His mother was not old enough to pass on any citizenship.
Look it up
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SM: I just looked it up and according to this link Obama is a Natural Born citizen of the United States (klaasend)
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born
Why so long to release the birth certificate? Crazy stuff?
It is absolutely ludicrous that this debate should even have happened! Does America not have far more serious things to address! Donald Trump is acting like a buffoon! Does he really actually believe that having tons of money makes you a better, more thoughtful, sincere, intelligent, compassionate human being?! I think not! If that man ran for President and by some side show won— America would be completely doomed on the world stage! What a savage cruelty that would be!
misty
Re: “Just a month ago the Governor of Hawaii claimed that there was no Long Form Birth Certificate for Barack Obama.”
Answer: Actually, he didn’t. WND said that he said it, but he didn’t. And WND did not have access to a transcript of what Abercrombie said. So, they just made it up. Abercrombie said that a written document was in the files. That confirms what THREE Republican officials in Hawaii had said previously, that the ORIGINAL birth certificate was in the files, and that it VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Re: “He was not born of two American Citizen Parents. ”
Answer: That is true. But there is nothing in the US Constitution that says you have to have two US parents, or even one. And Natural Born does not mean that. At the time that the Constitution was written it referred only to citizenship due to the place of birth. NOT the parents–only to the place of birth.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
“Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)
“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)
#7 – The Donald = Hillary Clinton 4 President
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Seriously? The white house distributed PAPER COPIES of the document, not a digital copy. Any photoshop “layers” that you could possibly see were added by whoever scanned the PAPER COPY and made it into a digital one.
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Keep denying all you want. His lineage comes from the father. His mother was not old enough to pass on any citizenship.
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So, by your logic, any child of teenager parents is not a citizen? What would you call the child of two 17 year-olds born today in (for example) Kansas? Soemething other than a Natural Born Citizen?
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SM: I would agree and Klaas’s data is correct. Obama would be a US citizen the same way an anchor baby would be one, neither parents has to be a US citizen as long as the child was born in the US. At least that is the law for now.
this one is fake too. was he Barry Soetoro or Obama at birth ? seems that his name while in school was Barry. something fishy going on here.
C’mon people. The Constitution specifically says “Natural Born” why would they put it in those words if it was not important that someone be born of parents who are American Citizens. If that was the case then every anchor baby born in this country could run for President. Do you really believe the Founding Fathers wanted this?
Take a good look at what is being presented as a birth certificate and tell me that is satisfactory evidence.
We have a fraud in the White House.
Re: “why would they put it in those words if it was not important that someone be born of parents who are American Citizens. ”
Answer: They put it in because it was important to them that the president be a citizen at birth and not be a naturalized citizen.
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
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So what is on your B.C.? David or Dave? By your logic anyone with David on their BC that allows others to call them Dave has “something fishy going on”.
How about Richard (Dick) Cheney? I suppose we should investigate?
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Um…hate to be bearer of bad news, but that is EXACTLY what the founding fathers meant.
The founding fathers wanted a president who was (ideally) born in the USA for the obvious reasons. However, they had a problem because many of them were not, and none of them were “born in the USA” because the USA did not exist yet. So, the clause was written that any president must either be a citizen by birthright (natural born) or have become a citizen by a certain date (in order for themselves to be eligible).
And, yes, the constitution is quite clear that every anchor baby in this country can run for president. If you don’t like it, campaign to change the Constitution and (on this point) I will support you as I happen to agree that the children of people here illegally, or on guest/tourist visas) should not be citizens. BUT the constitution is quite clear on that point.
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SM: I agree with part of your comment; however, Actually I think Washington and the gang hardly meant that people who broke the law to enter the United States ans were anchor babies were meant to have citizenship. That is a perversion of the interpretation of the US Constitution just like the so called “Separation of Church and State”.
But yes, at this point I agree that anchor babies are legal citizens until its challenged and changed.
Doing some research I found some interesting facts.
Obama’s mother would have had to have lived ten (10) years in the U.S., five (5) of which were after she reached the age of fourteen
(14). At the time of Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18), and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship.
The laws in effect at the time of Obama’s birth did not recognize U.S. Citizenship at birth of children born abroad to a U.S. Citizen parent and a non-citizen parent, if the citizen parent was under the age of nineteen (19) at the time of the birth of the child. Obama’s mother did not qualify under the law on the books to register Obama as a “natural born” citizen. Section 301(a)(7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S.C. §1401(b), Matter of S-F- and G-, 2 I & N Dec. 182 (B.I.A.) approved (Att’y Gen. 1944).
I also am posting a link to what “Natural Born” means according to the Senate.
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/by-u-s-senates-definition-obama-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen/
Plus the fact that the wrong hospital is named on the alleged birth certificate. Still has no doctor’s name only an attendant and does not show birth weight or height. This is a fake just like the certificate of live birth posted on his website. Still does not settle anything because it’s not genuine.
Michelle Smith said “I also am posting a link to what “Natural Born” means according to the Senate.”
That referred ONLY to John McCain. The US Senate did not issue anything on Obama for the obvious reason that it did not have to. Everyone knew that Obama was born in the US and hence was a Natural Born US Citizen.
The US Senate simply wanted to make sure that people thought that John McCain was too.
Well, that is true according to Black’s Law review:
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
McCain fulfills the second of the two criteria–birth abroad to US citizens. Obama fulfills the first of the two, birth within the territorial limits.
However, Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, holds that there is some question about McCain’s eligibility, since he was born outside of the USA, but none about Obama’s, since he was born in the USA.
““Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
Re the stuff about Obama’s mother’s age. That applies ONLY if the child were born outside of the USA. For children born in the USA, their parents can be of any age, any age at all, and their children will be both US citizens and Natural Born, and hence Natural Born Citizens.
SM: Actually I think Washington and the gang hardly meant that people who broke the law to enter the United States ans were anchor babies were meant to have citizenship.
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I don’t think they considered the possibility of Anchor Babies in the modern sense, but Obama is also not an anchor Baby; his story is one that the founding fathers would have identified with.
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SM: I would agree, i only made the comparison in the sense if both parents were not US citizens and had a baby born in the USA. Of course that is if no one later would become a citizen of another country after the fact.
I don’t think we know who he is…..we only know what he wants us to know. Is his name really Barack Obama?
How could Obama have been born in Hawaii. When his mother was close to his birth delivery date Kenyan airlines would not permit her to fly. And why would his grandmother say he was born in a hospital in Kenya and she was there.
I wonder what the polls will say about whether or not the release of the long-form changed anyones mind. I think the impact will be minimal.
Re: “why would his grandmother say he was born in a hospital in Kenya and she was there.”
Short answer: SHE DIDN’T.
Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that Obama was born in HAWAII, “where his father was studying.” And she said in another interview (Hartford Courtant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Professional birther sites cut off the first of those two interviews just before the Kenyan grandmother is asked the obvious question: “Whereabouts was he born?” — to which she replied Hawaii. Wonder why they cut the tape and the transcription before that question?
So, we have the two Obam birth certificates (Long-form and Official) from Hawaii. We have the confirmation of the three officials in Hawaii. We have the Kenyan grandmother saying in two separate interviews that Obama was born in Hawaii. We have the notices in the Hawaii newspapers of Obama’s birth in 1961, and these were not ads that could be placed by relatives. Hawaii newspapers did not take birth notice ads at the time; they only took the official notices sent out by the government of Hawaii. And Hawaii did not send out notices for births outside of Hawaii, and it could not have been fooled by a claim of a birth at home. That’s because when there were such claims, Hawaii insisted on witness statements.
But Obama was in fact born in a hospital, Kapiolani, as the long-form birth certificate, the statement of the former governor of Hawaii, the Republican Linda Lingle, the current governor Democrat James Abercrombie, and a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth and writing home about it(http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece) all show.
And, by the way, if a child were born in a foreign country, she or he would need either a US visa or to be entered on the mother’s US passport to get to the USA. Either of those documents would have had to have been applied for in the foreign country, and no such document has been found for Obama.
Maybe it wasn’t a live birth after all? Just kidding.
Seriously, he’s not qualified for many reasons regardless of his anchor baby or naturalized citizen status. No wonder he’s pusing so hard for anmesty.
Don’t worry. 2012 isn’t far away.
No matter what the story is with Obama’s certificate of live birth, we know one true fact … Obama is the worst President ever and a colossal screw up who is so far over his head that even with the unions, Soros and the state run media on his side and brainwashing the American public with their propaganda … WE THE PEOPLE still know he is total screw up socialist who will not get a second term.
I thought Carter was bad, this dude is Carter on Roids.
I read an article today on Freepers that linked to another that told of a servant who worked for Obama’s family in Indonesia. He said Obama had a terrible temper as a child and was often teased by other children. He also described Obama’s mother as having a temper and often hitting him with a belt for not finishing homework or other small things.
Once day Obama’s servant simply forgot to turn off a light as he had requested and Obama got so angry he hit him in the chest (twice). At the time Barry was only 8 or 9. Scary. There is a boiling pot of rage under that happy golfer facade. If you look at his expressions it is apparent.
How could Obama have been born in Hawaii. When his mother was close to his birth delivery date Kenyan airlines would not permit her to fly.
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This has been covered many times. For the last time: She hid in the landing gear.
I don’t think our fake P0TUS was the child of Obama. We don’t know who his real biological father is. This is IMO why he spent so much money to keep his records hidden.
Since we cannot get an agreement on actually what the people who produced the 14h amendment intended, there is no clear cut way to answer the citizenship question.
Having said that, the 14th ammendment was illegally passed by the GOP refusing to seat the duly elected represenatives from the states making up the Confederacy following the Civil War. This information is not going to be found in any history book dated after 1875.
There is a judge and legal historian who has found the original documents to support this claim.
This very amendment was the cause of the U.S. Military taking over the goverments of the Southern states and creating the era known as “Carpet Baggers”.
It doesn’t matter about citizenship for Barry after this much time has elapsed. He is undoubtably the least qualified and most destructive President ever.
“not eligible to be President as he was not a “Natural Born Citizen”. He was not born of two American Citizen Parents”
That’s not a requirement unless you were born in a foreign country.
The only people who say this are those who are told this is the case and have no interest in checking whether that is in any way true. If you tried, you’d find nothing supporting this claim and you’d actually educate yourself about what you’re professing knowledge about.
The entire section which determined both Obama’s and McCain’s eligibility to run for President and states that only 1 of these 2 (born in a foreign country called Panama) required 2 citizen parents to become a citizen themselves takes about 15 seconds to read from start to finish.
If you’ve got an excuse for why you haven’t read that after 10 years then that’s what you’ve got. An excuse for your ignorance and misinformed opinion about something you are pretending is of such importance, yet isn’t worth this much of your time.
Michelle Smith on April 27th, 2011 3:57 pm
“Doing some research I found some interesting facts.”
No, you just found something to copy/paste and pretended you’d either read or understood it.
“Section 301(a)(7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S.C. §1401(b), Matter of S-F- and G-, 2 I & N Dec. 182 (B.I.A.) approved (Att’y Gen. 1944).”
Which sounds totally impressive, except you didn’t manage to read the first 2 lines of Article 1401 you’ve (correctly) cited here as the relevant statute, which would have given you your answer.
s301(a) says the same thing, although it isn’t current law.
So the sources you’ve cited state that if Hawaii is part of the US, Obama was a citizen at birth. Hawaii says he was born there. You’ve rebutted you.
LMAO, and now there are soooooo many people saying, “SEE, ALL YOU CONSPIRACY THEORY KOOKS! HAHAHA…TOLD YOU SO, “BIRTHERS” ETC…dancing like fools in their living rooms, yelling “HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA, We finally win one” (Sung to the tune of nanny-nanny-boo-boo) Yet still fail to see through the smoke and mirrors, again, and again, and again! (before I say anything, however, let me begin by mentioning the fact that he’s lied about virtually EVERYTHING he promised during his campaign, so I don’t have much faith in his ability to be honest) OK, first of all, why not just release this one to begin with? Secondly, it’s still not the physical original…it’s a photo “copy” pdf! Why not just bring the original with him to the press conference? They couldn’t have brought it to the conference for him? Wouldn’t it have been more expedient to literally hold it up for all to see? Also, why did Tim Adams, a Hawaiian Elections Official sign a sworn affidavit saying he personally conducted a search for ANY birth records, and couldn’t find anything! He also swore that his superiors told him they didn’t exist! Additionally, this document shows no official certification, like all other legal government forms, including birth certificates? Why does the designation of race say “African” …that’s not a real designation of race on any government form! This new “Certificate of Live Birth” also states that his father was a “Kenyan Student” and not an American citizen! That automatically, constitutionally makes him ineligible! LMAO! Besides, the hospital he tries to say he was born in, is not the hospital his half=-sister Mia Soetoro said he was born in during an interview recently, and that hospital will still not acknowledge he was born there! LOL
He was even a co-sponsor on Sen Res. 511 in 2008 on John McCain’s “birther” situation, making sure both of McCain’s parents were US Citizens! But you sheeple will believe ANYTHING! HAHAHA …foiled again!
Natural Born means born of US Parents (plural) no one parent.
Geez
I’m posting this link, watch it or not is up to you but this is a hell of a lot more convincing than any document produced by Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmg09K5Tscw
I know what I posted earlier and it clearly says “Natural Born” is born of two US Parents. Not one US parent and one foreign parent. Stop twisting what I posted. I didn’t say he was not a US Citizen, I said “Natural Born”.
Why is he using a SSN that was assigned to someone in CT? His SSN should have come from Hawaii? The hospital name isn’t even correct on this new document.
Obama is a fraud…..
I already posted a link explaining what a Natural Born citizen is. Not a naturalized or a native born but Natural Born (this is different from just being a US Citizen)
If you want to believe the lies from this fraud, go ahead but I’m not buying it. He cannot be trusted, nothing about this man is on the up and up. He’s a liar and a fraud and he needs to go.
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Natural Born means born of US Parents (plural) no one parent.
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No, that is not what it means.
OK, first of all, why not just release this one to begin with?
Agreed.
Secondly, it’s still not the physical original…it’s a photo “copy” pdf! Why not just bring the original with him to the press conference?
He did. The reporters made the PDFs off of the original. Are you expecting your own personal notorized copy? Each press member present received their own certified hard copy. The fact that you didn’t bother to research even that much tells a lot about how much you value facts.
They couldn’t have brought it to the conference for him? Wouldn’t it have been more expedient to literally hold it up for all to see?
They did.
Also, why did Tim Adams, a Hawaiian Elections Official sign a sworn affidavit saying he personally conducted a search for ANY birth records, and couldn’t find anything! He also swore that his superiors told him they didn’t exist!
Irrelevant. Why would Tim Adams have access to this information in order to find it?
Additionally, this document shows no official certification, like all other legal government forms, including birth certificates?
It does. What are looking for?
Why does the designation of race say “African” …that’s not a real designation of race on any government form!
Yet there it is, on a government form. Funny how that works.
This new “Certificate of Live Birth” also states that his father was a “Kenyan Student” and not an American citizen! That automatically, constitutionally makes him ineligible!
Says who and for what reason?
LMAO!
Don’t let me stop you.
Besides, the hospital he tries to say he was born in, is not the hospital his half=-sister Mia Soetoro said he was born in during an interview recently, and that hospital will still not acknowledge he was born there!
Because she would know how, exactly? I have no idea what the name of the hospital I was born in is called, let alone my brother.
LOL
Again, don’t let me stop you.
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SM: Flippy now matter what the justification or what did or did not happen. Obama brought all of this on himself. This individual is so not Presidental nor does he comprehend issues. He allowed a smoldering camp fire to turn into an out of control wild fire where people simply just don’t trust him. They once gave him the benefit of a doubt, but no longer. All too often the “most transparent” president has been anything but. Hell, even my liberal friends are pissed at his campaign promises that have been lies. He promised them the closing of GITMO and getting out of two wars. Last time I checked GITMO was still open for business and the USA was in 3 wars.
Obama has promised in continued SOTU’s that jobs were to be the #1 priority of his Administration, it was not. Maybe if Obama had not disstracted himself with Obamacare and atually focussed on creating en environment that was condisive to job hiring, things would be different.
This is really why people just don’t beleive him. Most people are not connected 24/7 into political events. They ask themselves if things pass the smell test. And for “the smartest” and greatest “communicator” ever to just not produce a stinking birth certificate but rather have it have to be addressed … most people just look at that and say … either he wasn’t born in the USA or he is so incompitant and ignorant that he doesn’t belong leading the USA.
Just Saying.
R
SM: Flippy now matter what the justification or what did or did not happen. Obama brought all of this on himself.
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Yes, he did; and your points are valid ones that people should have spent the energy of the last 2 years talking about.
Instead, people got their panties in such a bunch that they fixated on the concept of “we couldn’t possibly have lost an election to this guy” that they could not move on from there. They are/were in such denial over the election that instead of admitting loss they continue to imagine up scenarios in which the election was stolen or fraudulent. They have gotten so caught up in it that they blindly follow the words of truther-based web sites as some sort reliable source of the ultimate truth.
Please, talk about the REAL issues and come up with reasonable candidates to run against him. I would happily vote Republican if the candidate was a fiscally responsible social moderate; which on paper your Tea Party claims to be but in practice they are not socially moderate at all. I would rather waste money than treat people badly; but that is my own perspective.
Mr. Obama did very well i hope now Donald Trump will calm up i think this matter will ends with this action (Release of Obama’s birth certificate).
#14- Misty Santana—-Yes. America does have far more serious things to address the biggest one of which is the fraudlent liar who is sitting in office.
Let’s not forget the fact that after 2 years on the job—-things have gotten WORSE—not better. This is of course due to his complete and total LACK OF EXPERIENCE and why he never should have been voted in to office in the first place, Misty.
Get a clue.
Hi, Flippy:
As to your debate about the lineage of Obama’s parents, Poster “ELLEN” is correct.
Re: “He was not born of two American Citizen Parents. ”
Answer: That is true. But there is nothing in the US Constitution that says you have to have two US parents, or even one. And Natural Born does not mean that. At the time that the Constitution was written it referred only to citizenship due to the place of birth. NOT the parents–only to the place of birth.
Pay more attention, however to the posts of THE DONALD=HILLARY 4 PRESIDENT.
He states some very important facts regarding the overall doctoring of the original long form document. I agree with his post on this topic 100%. The nagging question that won’t go away is also the topic of his post.
WHY ALL THE DECEPTION ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENT PRESIDENT OBAMA?
And, where there is smoke, indeed there is fire.
To Poster who mentioned Dick Cheney—GET OVER IT.
GWB was running this country-not the power hungry Cheney who obsviously thought and acted like he was. Give me a break. Bush may have made some mistakes, for sure- but I would still have him or his Father in office any day then this Chowderhead we have in there now.
Seriously, some people amaze me with their stupidity.
#45 –
Please review the context of WHY I mentioned Dick Cheney. The Poster was saying that Barrack was a fraud because he went by Barry when he was younger, and I was pointing out that this is pretty common, as in “David going by Dave” or Richard going by Dick. The amazement goes both ways.
@44
The older Bush yes, younger Bush no.
younger Bush created (or was in charge when it happened)the whole mess that Obama has to solve.
If his sollutions are the rights ones..thats up for debate.
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SM: You seem to have forgot the Democrat controlled Congress there as well. And also the recession that W inherited from Clinton. Every one gets some ones leftovers.
#45 -
Go ahead an agree with him; but THE DONALD=HILLARY 4 PRESIDENT is upset about manipulations to a PDF document so his gripe should be with the creater of the PDF document (whatever web site he downloaded it from). The White House could not have POSSIBLY altered the PDF document as they distributed certified hard copies; if “the press” opened up photoshop and cleaned up their scans a bit then that is at their feet, not Obamas.
In order for any of his Birth Certificate information to be wrong, it would require a “Vast Conspiracy”.
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SM: kinda like that “vast rightwing conspiracy”, eh?
Actually it would not be that vast a conspiracy to doctor a birth certificate prior to any one looking for it. It’s just one page in a book of many. Didn’t the Gov of hawaii when trying to put the issue to bed say that he could not find it? Then suddenly, insto-presto bc.
Who knows whether it was doctored or not, there is much analysis both way. There are many that make compelling arguments as to why the doc does not resemble the same as the ones done at the same time and why the numbers sequences of Obama’s is after that of someone who he was born before.
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/critics-obamas-latest-long-form-birth-certificate-is-a-fake/
The point being that it would not be that vast of conspiracy to oh say … 911 Truthers.
R
You mean the budget surplus that Bush inherited?
and yes, everybody has to do with the leftovers from the previous administration.
somehow that fact is lost here.
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SM: Dolf, please don’t be a MSM liberal sound bite. If you don’t really know what the “paper: economy was of the Clinton years, then just say so. By the end of Clinton’s 2nd term the US was in a recession. We were also just coming off the .com bubble.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble
The LEFT criticized the GOP for being pro Big Business yet under Clinton, more scandals took place that his Administration turned a blind eye so that the economy would not be affected. The phony economy of the dot.com era created a fictitious # of jobs and paper wealth that created a BS surplus.
You are also forgetting that 9-11 occurred that cut greatly into the surplus due to military spending and home land security. It also damaged the economy. Although I do not agree with all the spending that W did like medicare prescription drug plan, please do not think that Liberals would not have spent more.
Look at Obama, we are facing economic collapse and this fool still continues to deficit spend.
R
I say let’s now move on and require his college degree. Why not? We will get to watch him twist as to its existance, but really I’m more interested in his grades! Will also give us another year long wait for him to produce it.
More intesting will be how his college was paid for. Did he get money for being poor, or from making false claims he was a citizen of elsewhere? I believe what Zero is trying to hide is the number of lies and deceptions he’s produced over time to get where he is now.
Another thought. Birth certificate states baby daddy is African. Well, if born in South Africa changes are you are white as much as black, right?
NOW, LET’S HAVE A LOOK AT HIS SCHOOL RECORDS. WORD HAS IT THAT HE APPLIED FOR GOVERNMANT AID AS A FORIEGN STUDENT.
TRUMP KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE IS DOING. HE’S FORCING OBAMA TO BRING OUT THE TRUTH AND WE HAVEN’T SEEN THE TRUTH YET. I SAY THE NEW BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS A DUD.
Actually it would not be that vast a conspiracy to doctor a birth certificate prior to any one looking for it. It’s just one page in a book of many.
> On Microfilm….that makes it more complicated.
Didn’t the Gov of hawaii when trying to put the issue to bed say that he could not find it?
> My understanding is that he said “It existed but he was not (legally) permitted to produce it” which is consistent. In fact, Obama was not really supposed to be able to get this long-form himself, either.
why the numbers sequences of Obama’s is after that of someone who he was born before.
> Records were not computerized, its not like today where you enter things into a database and they are given a sequential number and forever indexed. That is WHY they computerized records.
The point being that it would not be that vast of conspiracy to oh say … 911 Truthers.
> No, not that big. But it would be big enough to encompass people of all political viewpoints; and plenty of people who would see exposure as a get-rich-quick opportunity.
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SM; actually Flippy the gov said he could not find it first, then said could not release it even if he did find it,. I guess both were lies as Obama seemed to have provided it yesterday.
#51 -
Well, if born in South Africa changes are you are white as much as black, right?
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Eh? Yeah….the blacks born under apartheid were pretty much just the same as white. Kind of like the star-bellied sneetches only with brutal institutionalized racial repression.
@49 SM: the dot.com bubble, a new 1 is aproaching fast. But that was different then the financial crisis.
Sure 9/11 didn’t help, Katrina also didn’t help.
and yes, big bussiness donates to both parties
@51: no black. (higher number of blacks then whites)
and South Africa has nothing to do with it.
Dave, somehow I believe that even if you see a video of Obama been born in a US Hospital you still wouldn’t believe it.
super dave, agreed. Donald didn’t get where he is because he is stupid. He is aware of the lies and has plenty of money. Enough to give Sorros a run for his money when it comes to getting what he wants. Sorros was after the White House (he bought it for Zero). Donald is after truth. That will be fun to watch.
#52 super dave.
Lets see all the records, what is their to hide, and why did he hide this b.c. so long? I hope Donald has it checked by a document expert.
Donald is right about how he was the only one to get Obama to release the b.c. and also said he hoped he had one.
Article 2, Section,1, which states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
a little more detail on the parents…..
Vattel’s 1758 “The Law of Nations,” a document used widely by the American Founders, where it states in Vol. 1, Ch. 19, Section 212: “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
sounds like Obama does not make the grade with only one parent. The mother, under the laws at that time could not pass on the citzenship, so it goes to the father which is a British subject. The supreme court needs to look into this.
I agree with Red and many others that this is by far the worst president in known history.
I want Donald to go HEAD to HEAD with this guy on the issues.
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Continue the racism bullshit and you will be banned permanently ,,, all comments will just be deleted.
Your choice.
flippy: what i’m getting at is that he was always barry soetoro then all of a sudden his birth certificate has Barack Obama on it. so who was he at birth really ? and it has already been said that he changed his name to barack obama so he was actually Barry Soetoro at birth.
this is a fake certificate, only the weak minded would look past all the evidence presented to claim him a citizen. we even have professionals here saying it has been photoshopped. obama should be forced to step down immediately.
flippy: there is also no comparison to someone going by dave if their name is david.
barack hussein obama is not a nickname for barry soetoro.
Super Dave -
. Truthfully I know not a single Barack in real life in order to ask if Barry is a common nickname. But if your name is Barack and you want a nickname, there aren’t many options that make any sense at all.
As for Soetoro, maybe I am totally off base, but isn’t that the last name of his step-father? Why would he be named, and birth, after his future step-father whom his mother wouldn’t marry for another 4 years?
super -dave
Lots of kids who obtain a step-father go by their fathers last name even if it is not official; its just easier that way. Obama Sr. was totally out of the picture, so there would be no hard feelings or arguements over the last name.
Vattel’s 1758 “The Law of Nations,” a document used widely by the American Founders, where it states in Vol. 1, Ch. 19, Section 212: “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
sounds like Obama does not make the grade with only one parent. The mother, under the laws at that time could not pass on the citzenship, so it goes to the father which is a British subject. The supreme court needs to look into this.
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Did not know of the reference. Regardless of the origin of the term, it has been clearly defined by our own government to include all those born in this country; which he was.
So feel free to campaign to change the law, and I would support excluding so-called anchor baby scenarios, however I can not think of a rational reason to exclude the Son of someone like Obama’s mother from any sort of full citizenship.
Did anyone see or read about Zero’s interview with Oprah in the BC issue? She asked why it took so long and his response was strange as the mystery surrounding all the rest. I’ve cut/paste below. Notice even Oprah didn’t seem to like the answer since he basically evaded it.
“When it first came up, were you thinking, I hope I was born here?” Winfrey asked, according to a transcript provided by her production company.
“Can I just say I was there, so I knew,” Obama said. “I knew I had been born. I remembered it.”
“Of course you did,” Winfrey said.
Ummmm…he remembered it? Remembered being born?! Okee dokee. Whatever he says.
Yeah and I remember being born and where I was born too…..(eyes rolling back in my head)I have seen video today of people that know this is a fake document just like the first cert. of live birth was proven a fake just like this one.
one.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c&feature=feedu
here are more sites…wow
Barack Obamas birth certificate fake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZotoUHxgjs&feature=player_embedded
another
http://s15.zetaboards.com/Jref_Alternative/topic/6993013/1/
#48- Flippy—-I was not referring to you when I mentioned the adjective of stupidity.
I was referring the to Moron who was referring to Dick Cheney. Translation= What the hell does Dick Cheney have to do with President Obama’s Birth Certificate??
Oh, Vey and I am not even Jewish.
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