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It has finally happened … the Wisconsin Senate passed the Union bill that strips nearly all collective bargaining rights for public workers, without the presence of the Democrat “Fleebaggers. As reported by the AP, the union bill passed 18-1.
The bill had been stymied after all 14 Senate Democrats fled to Illinois three weeks ago, preventing the chamber from having enough members present to pass it. Walker introduced it to plug a $137 million budget shortfall.
The Senate requires a quorum of 20 to take up any measures that spend money. But a special committee of lawmakers from the Senate and Assembly voted late Wednesday afternoon to take all the spending measures out of the legislation and the Senate approved it minutes later, 18-1.
It’s Finally over as the fleebagger are left out in the cold, or Illinois.
Video Hat Tip: The Gateway Pundit
The reaction from Unions … from J-S Online, AFL-CIO says GOP used ‘nuclear option’. However, it is king of hard for those on the LEFT to cry fowl, when 14 Democrat “fleebaggers”ran away from their jobs as Wisconsin Senators and hid out in Illinois. “Rigged the vote”? Who was it that tried to circumvent the democrat process by hiding.
Said Neuenfeldt: “Republicans have exercised the nuclear option to ram through their bill attacking Wisconsin’s working families in the dark of night. (Gov.) Walker and the Republicans acted in violation of state open meetings laws, and tonight’s events have demonstrated they will do or say anything to pass their extreme agenda that attacks Wisconsin’s working families.”
Posted March 10, 2011 by Scared Monkeys Fleebaggers, Government, Governors, Scott Walker - WI, State Legislatures, Unions, You Tube - VIDEO | 29 comments |
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Most of you have probably saw this already but this is the best explaination of the problem I have ever saw so I will share with those who have not saw it.
Tax System Explained: Bar Stool Economics
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and
the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their
bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something
like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed
quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the
owner threw them a curve.
“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m
going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.”
Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we
pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men – the paying
customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that
everyone would get his ‘fair share?’
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if
they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the
fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being
paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested
that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by
roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out
the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing
(100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the
first four continued to drink for free. But once
outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their
savings.
“I only got a dollar out of the $20,” declared the
sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, “but he got
$10!”
“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only
saved a dollar, too It’s unfair that he got ten times
more than I!”
“That’s true!!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should
he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get
all the breaks!”
“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison.
“We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits
the poor!”
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for
drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without
him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they
discovered something important. They didn’t have
enough money between all of them for even half of the
bill!
And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and
college professors, is how our tax system works. The
people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit
from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them
for being wealthy, and they just may not show up
anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas
where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is
possible
Maybe all of them…Rep. and Dem. should have cut their own salaries to help with the budget. Don’t see that happening.
“Walker introduced it to plug a $137 million budget shortfall.”
So, we reach the point where the budget repair bill, which had to have the union busting language as a matter of financial necessity, was amended to remove any language with financial impact. How then does the bill still contain the union busting stuff? It is a question of factual accuracy. Either the union busting was financially oriented, or it wasn’t. Gov Walker and his well-trained minions can’t have it both ways.
The only conclusion of this matter is that they were lying all along. And last night they got totally arrogant and pulled an in-your-face unethical (possible illegal) procedure to pass the non-financial budget repair bill, which doesn’t save the state on single penny.
So whether you are for the policy or not, this highlights an extreme overreach of government, acting for their own reasons (not the citizens) in this power grab. If they government can do this, what is coming next. In your neck of the woods!
BTW, how about the MI power grab, where voter-elected municipal officials can have their positions dissolved, and their city handed over to a corporation for management. All because the governor can judge there exists a (financial) emergency.
Again, this is not partisan; this is destructive politics. Power to the people? How nostalgic that will seem.
1,
I get it; our economic system is all about physical violence against the rich. We apparently need to stop that.
Or hire better story tellers.
BTW, your closing comment makes a lot of sense; if you believe this in any way is analogous to tax economics. Otherwise it is merely your opinion. Enjoy it.
Steve, was it “legal” for lawmakers elected and paid to avoid a vote by simply staying out of state? Should this be the actions of legislators when they realize the vote will go against them? Just pick up the football and go hide?
The PEOPLE hired Governor Walker and gave the Republicans a majority. It is the Governor and legislators TASK to balance the state budget. Allowing unions to have the upper hand by blackmail collective bargaining AFTER the budget has been set, turns the budget upside down.
…so, the objective being realized, I guess the Democrats can now “cry in their beer” (kudos to Bill B, come back home, and go back to work, like they were paid to do when they got elected.
You can’t stop the game if you do not own the bat and/or ball. It continues without them in this scenario and it will be up to the good people of Wisconsin to approve or disapprove come the respective election times for either party.
The Democrats just lost a piece of their gravy train in Wisconsin.
Governor Walker should introduce legislation to make Wisconsin a “right to work state” where union membership is not a requirement to get a job in some areas.
^^^^blah blah blah…liberals…whine whine whine….blah blah blah.
Madison Wisconsin has union bus drivers bringing home as much as $150,000 per year. Most of the state workers have far better benefits than federal workers. Teachers can have up to two pensions. Their medical plans are among the best n the natiion. Prison guards can elect on their own to work four week days as an example, call in sick on Friday, and then elect to work on Saturday for time and a half. They are doing pretty good too. The liberal system in Wisconsin is outdated and out of control. Something had to be done. Thank you Scott Walker!
5,
I don’t know why you avoid the obvious; the just passed Budget Repair bill doesn’t balance the budget. In fact, because the process used to pass it avoided the 3/5ths quorum, that bill could legally have no financial impact. It had $0 effect on the budget. Only the delirious could think that it was any different.
Yes, they were responsible for the budget, no disagreement there. It all comes down to how you do that job. If there is a problem in WI, let all citizens be part of the solution. One way to think of this is like healing a patient; first, do no harm.
Well, that was almost the opposite of what was proposed. Those in the state most able to help fix the problem, whose incomes are such that it is hard to imagine they would suffer any harm; they were asked to do nothing. Why are they exempt?
Non-union citizens, like myself, were not asked to help out. Why am I and hundreds of thousands of others were not asked to help? Why is this group exempt?
The answer is that the fix here is not financial; it is about power. One group was singled out as the only ones to sacrifice, to shoulder the burden of fixing the budget. That sounds personal, to me.
6,
No time to spoil a good beer by crying. The process used to force this bill to its conclusion has a number of questionable aspects and legal actions are underway. Legislative rules and WI laws appear to have been broken in this final stampede to the finish line. So the game is not over.
We also have a number of reps to recall, as well as that Walker guy. And boy oh boy, are we up to that challenge.
7,
The only way that makes any sense is if those opting out of a union do not get any benefits the union negotiated for. They should be free to get a job for less pay, less benefits, crappy conditions, less of a say in the workplace, and be happy about it. I’m just not sure if that is how that system works.
BTW, there are enough non-union jobs to go around; just stop on over to Walmart.
8,
Scott, you’ve outdone yourself. Take a break before you get an aneurysm.
9,
You may have a some points there. However, the bus driver wages are limited to just a few, and if those specific drivers didn’t get those extra hours, someone else would have, and I believe the total overall cost in wages would be relatively unchanged. That situation was more about the distribution of wages.
My disagreement would be saying that the system needs to be scrapped when there may only be a smaller number of issues that need fixing. One example is the prison guard sick day / overtime you mention. Although I may disagree with your specific scenario, I’ve heard of cases where, apparently, a guard can call in sick on one shift, and work the next shift for overtime. That seems like the system can be gamed.
BTW, if health care was not part of labor, but was economically available to all, that would solve one point you mention. I believe the exchange system planned for 2014 availability would include that feature for some.
At a minimum, your basic idea that some of these things are outdated and out of control has merit, and I think working towards solutions is an effective approach to apply corrections.
11 Steve
…you ain’t up to nothin’. You duck, dodge and hide from issues and questions the same way you accuse katablog of doing, so don’t even go there!
I have taken a more distant approach to the situation since these are good hard working people being hurt and this is going to indeed invite non union companies that hire illegal immigrants being paid a fraction of what they should get to gain State contracts(yes,it will).
But to run scared and out of state cheats the people that voted for them, leaving the good people out on the lurch, like pesident Obama did when he stated whether as a Senator or President he would be on the picket lines with them. Even if he appeared for one single minute as a symbolic gesture it would show he is true to his word…he, of course, is not..
The reason they are probably crying in their beer may be because it’s not from Wisconsin, where they are supposed to be. I like beer from Wisconsin as it is about the best you can find.
“We also have a number of reps to recall, as well as that Walker guy. And boy oh boy, are we up to that challenge.”
Good luck with that!
You still are talking in circles. You claim this has nothing to do with the budget but then you confirm that a union bus driver could game the system. They get that ability through collective bargaining and it cost the city money. So what are you not getting?
the illustrious Rev. Jesse Jackson just yesterday said it was wrong for Wisconsin governor to ram through this bill. but when asked why it wasn’t wrong for obama to ram through the healthcare reform,he could only stumble and of course, make racist statements about slavery and such nonsense.
and , is he some kind of preacher without a church ? what business of it is his anyway ?
15,
It is not meaningful to describe that I duck and dodge this or that, without any references. Lacking context, I can’t comment on this point, and will simply ignore it as empty rhetoric.
I appreciate your stance on taking a broader look at this. I agree that wages will go down for these affected jobs, and both employees and their work product (teaching, elder care, health care, etc.) will suffer. Standards for hiring employees will likely drop as well over time. I hadn’t considered undocumented workers, but you make a good point.
On the Dem 14, those of us who know and are represented by one of them see things in terms of representation. They were not scared, and are not cheats; they are doing their job to represent our interests, just as happens in all state districts. Leaving us out on a lurch is not how we see things.
As for Obama, he did say just what you paraphrased, but there is one key difference. There are no picket lines in WI, so he has not broken any promise. He also has a few things to attend to in DC. In the end, we are doing fine by ourselves, and don’t need his help right now.
At least we can agree on a good WI beer.
18 steve
My “empty rhetoric”, as you would feign to describe, actually consisted of your evading the issue of the Black Panther intimidation of which you successfully declined to condemn. (you remember the case of “Willie the Wino”, don’t you?)
I did not want to bring it up on this thread but since your recall appears to be so limited that you cannot remember, I guess I will refresh your memory here on this thread.
How your, by your evading and staunch refusal to address the intimidation when confronted, tacit approval of their unethical as well as illegal tactics led you to even call me a troll(that hoited, Steve!), when I did nothing to warrant that remark but call you out on their illegal tactics.
You may not be as clever as you envision yourself and should have left well enough alone, now you gotta pretend not to see this again!
So there’s your reference, there’s your context…
You asked for it, now duck, dodge and hide…again!
As for a good Wisconsin beer, you betcha we agree!
Help monkeys I tried sending a reply 3 times and no go! please find it…actually they are duplicate so the last one is the one that should be located…Thanks!
(klaasend)
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SM: Found it, I think
19,
As I recall, the title of this thread is:
“Wisconsin Unions and Democrats Lose as Senate Voted Wednesday Night to End Nearly all Collective Bargaining Rights from Public Workers”
“Black Panthers”? I think you may be lost. Try and stick to this topic if you expect me to take you seriously.
Thanks, Mr(s). K!(klaasend)
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…hey, not my fault, you asked for it on THIS topic by decrying my “empty rhetoric”…so I gave it to you!
…so now you still can “duck, dodge and hide” as I knew you and your arrogant liberal values can…
I am through with it.
Recall, indeed. You do a disservice to the good people of Wisconsin with your prattle.
23,
If the words “empty rhetoric” as used in my comment[18] dismissing your “duck and dodge” comment[15] is “asking for anything”, then there is a major gap in your understanding of what it was I said. Trying to imagine what it is that you think I said, and what your responses mean is weird.
In reality, this reply is not intended as an exchange with you, as that idea has passed its prime. This is merely a public service announcement.
Boy, now I really need that beer.
24 Steve
…I think you had enough beer, Steve, you are slurring your words and talking incoherently again.
On second thought, as long as you’re not driving, why not?
Gotta make a beer run to Stevens Point. After all, “When you’re outta Point, you’re outta town!”
that’s what the scumbag commies get for hiding in Barney Frank’s basement. they got the b(edit)..
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SM Ok, easy does it.
The nuclear option was created and launched on March 9th. By March 11th it became Wisconsin state law signed by the governor. The fall of collective Bargaining which will soon spread across the country to other states being inspired by Walkers victory marked by the historical dates 9 and 11. Is this the fall of another economic tower with national consequences. The union tower robbed America of much freedom and was clipping our eagle’s wings. 9-11 will give us our wings back again. For more prophetic connections to 9-11 see eternaltruth.net Paul Gregersen
9-11-01 was a horrific disaster that resulted in the death of thousands, the precursor to two wars that killed tens of thousands and wounded many times more, and led to significant changes to American society and culture.
Now, in your view, Walker just had his own 9-11 moment (3-9-11). As a turning point in our history, Walker would be the one responsible for the changes on this date. So, in effect, you are saying there will be dire consequences from what Walker has done. Presumably on a level of that seen because of 9-11-01.
I have to say, you’ve really gone off the deep end in creating this comparison of these events. This is just whack.
fyi US beer sucks.
Try Belgium
not Heinken, thats crap too.