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The saga continues as to the Barack Hussein Obama Hawaiian birth certificate …
Lately it would appear that those on the LEFT are acting more like “bithers” than actual birthers. It has been the LEFT and the MSM that has been pushing the Obama birth certificate authenticity story almost more than those that began question BO’s place of birth. Recently, even MSNBC’s Chris Matthews jumped on the “birther” band wagon and questioned why President Obama would not just release the document and put all the nonsense to an end.
Chris Matthews Asks the simple question … why doesn’t the President just release the document?
Newly elected Democrat Governor Abercrombie stated he was going to get to the bottom of the long form birth certificate and release it. However, privacy laws that shield birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii.
“There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document,” said Dela Cruz. “Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president.”
Abercrombie, who was a friend of Obama’s parents and knew him as a child, launched an investigation last month into whether he can release more information about the president’s Aug. 4, 1961 birth. The governor said at the time he was bothered by people who questioned Obama’s birthplace for political reasons.
But Abercrombie’s attempt reached a dead end when Louie told him the law restricted his options.
Hawaii’s privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn’t have a tangible interest.
However, the sudden back track from Gov. Abercrombie leads many, including those on the LEFT, to wonder why. Everyone will remember that Abercrombie promised that once he was elected Governor he would prove Obama’s birth certificate existed because he would march down to the Hall of Records and demand its production from the archives. So why the back track? This is rather unbelievable as two things would have had to take place prior to Abercrombie’s promise, one, he would have to have had Obama’s approval and two, he would have known the privacy laws of the state he was about to become governor of.
I, like Republican House majority leader Eric Cantor believe that Barack Obama is a US citizen, I happen to believe there is another reason why Obama has spent so much money and gone to such vast lengths to suppress the document. I always believed that there was other embarrassing or thought otbe damaging information on the certificate like race of Obama being “caucasian”.
Here is a rather interesting ans simple explanation from HILLBUZZ.
Dear HillBuzz,
Regarding the whole Obama birth certificate controversy, I believe Hawaii has a big problem.
Recently, when asked about the subject, newly-minted Speaker of the House John Boehner replied “The State of Hawaii says he was born there and that’s good enough for me.” His reply was brilliant.
It reminded everyone that it’s not the Speaker’s job to sort out the mess (it should have been addressed by the Dems, the election officials, and the media during the campaign), but it also, clearly, put the onus on the State of Hawaii. Around the same time Neil Abercrombie, the new governor of Hawaii, waded into the mess wanting to clear everything up for the president. Instead, he has only added to the confusion by admitting there doesn’t seem to be a birth certificate only a handwritten notation in the archives. (Which could quite possibly have been generated by Obama’s grandparents as a way to register the birth if Obama was born somewhere else.)
Personally, I believe the governor is an intelligent well-intentioned man who acted without thinking it through. Rush Limbaugh believes there may be some angle to what the governor did. If there is, then I believe it was a “cover your papakole” move on the part of the governor. He doesn’t want to be the one left holding the blame when, finally, the American public says “Enough! Just show the damn birth certificate already!”.
He can honestly claim the deception and obstruction happened before he took office and when he tried to find the truth he was told he didn’t have legal access to the birth records. So he’s off the hook, but the incumbent state officials may not get off so easily. Lastly, there is information on several blogs about a court case that may have been filed in New York State Court called Strunk v. Paterson. I’ve heard that a state judge recently ruled — based on evidence — that Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. The court documents go into all of the birth certificate topics, including the Indonesian adoption.
The fact that Obama was adopted by Indonesian Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s, and his name was legally changed to Barry Soetoro at that time, is most likely the reason he is spending millions of dollars to hide his birth certificate. He never filed the papers to change his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.”, so any birth certificate produced by the state of Hawaii would list him as “Barry Soetoro”. (READ THE REST AT HILLBUZZ)
As stated at Jammie Wearing Fool, the explanation kind of makes sense, Obama was born in Hawaii, but never legally changed his named back to Obama after being named Soetoro.
I honestly and truly believe this solves the entire mystery.
It is seriously this straightforward.
* Obama was indeed born in Hawaii in 1961
* Obama was indeed adopted by Lolo Soetoro in the 1970s
* Obama’s name was indeed changed to Barry Soetoro in the 1970s
* Obama’s birth certificate was altered per Hawaiian law to reflect his new name in the 1970s
* Obama never changed his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.” — most likely because he used “Barry Soetoro” on all of his student aid applications for college, and probably received foreign student grants and admissions assistance playing off his years living in Indonesia
* All the records, transcripts, documents, and paperwork Obama continues to hide from the public is all hidden because it lists his name as “Barry Soetoro” on all of it.
* Obama will not allow his birth certificate to be released because it lists the “wrong” name on it: Barry Soetoro
I am sorry, in the end why doesn’t this President just hand over the document to dispell the rumors once and for all? However, it appers that Obama just wants to play games and keep the birth certificate as an issue.
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As an adopted child he became a citizen of Indonisia and lost his U.S. citizenship. Therefore, he is inelgible to be president of the United States. THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM
Even as Barack Soetoro from Indonesia the guy is
not a US citizen. However, Chris Matthews claims
to be holding a valid long certificate from the day
before the alleged birth of Obama; why would Barry’s
Cert. remain in storage and not equally accessible?
What, if any, steps were taken to re-acquire American
Citizenship after Indonesia?
Obamma’s Grandmother had baby Barry and his mother fly to Hawaii after his birth in Kenya Africa. Grandma then took out the birth announcements in the papers. Home birth was reported to the hospital. Hawaii birth certificate will show a home birth.
George W Bush released all of his school records. Barry’s college records are MIA?
WHY? Foreign student status?
#3 – How devious the grandmother was, and clever too, to know what was needed for her grandson to one day become President!
BTW, Who ever asked about GW Bush’s school records? It was the Nat’l Guard he went AWOL from.
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SM: As I have stated, I dont think its a matter of US birth, its a matter of someting on the certificate he is embarassed about. Otherwise, why not produce it in full?
R
Naturally, the benefits of being ‘Hawaiian-born’ outweigh
those of being ‘Kenya-born’. It is logical for the quick-shuffle
of dates and places to be attempted .
Steve #4
Obama’s grandmother had a reputation for being a genius for fixing peoples problems on the Island. She did not want her grandson to be “AFRICAN” born. She wanted to raise Barry.
An American born baby taken away to Africa
or a African born baby taken from his father and African family. Which side has a better case in early 1960′s courts?
The real smoking gun is why did Obama give up his law license in Chicago? What do his school records show?
Why is Scared Monkey hiding the truth? Barack Obama was not born in Kenya. He’s a Space Lizard from Planet X. Maybe Scared Monkey is a pawn of the Space Lizards?
there is no legal certificate of birth in the US. obama is illegal. bottom line.
#6
Are you sure that is not just a smoking butt?
For some facts on this: Michelle Obama / Barack Obama
I never thought I would see such conspiracies in this country. It’s very scary. And even scarier that many people choose to believe and follow this man.
I offer this quite thorough reference for those who appreciate a factual approach.
I’m sorry to say that I can’t offer a fair and balanced link for those who don’t.
Don’t you think that during the campaign that the John McCain camp and the Hillary Clinton camp would have dug up anything to discredit Obama? They couldn’t find anything, nothing. Not on your life would Hillary or John have let it go. I’m dying to know why people continue this birth certificate talk. I guess if/when he gets a second term, the banter will continue.
Conservatives should stay away from this one. If the Lefties want to pursue it, let them. The revival of this issue is meant to create a “birther” response that can be used by the Left. Don’t fall for it. It’s a waste of time at this point. Mr. Obama has to be defeated on his record, which should be do-able.
Conspiracies have run rampant in this country for a very long time, this isn’t something new. I’m curious, what Republican do you all think could actually beat Obama in 2012? And for some of us believe it or not, can’t understand that people choose to believe and follow George W Bush.
It’s really time for the birthers to give this up.
Get over it, there are more important things to worry about when it comes to Obama. Like him not winning the bid for his re-election, for example.
Geeeeeeeeez! Sick of reading about this crap.
you can’t produce a document that doesn’t exist ?
Although it’s obvious Obama is hiding something and we may never know what is on the Long Form Birth Certificate and his school records, etc. etc. I do not believe anything will become of this; no one wants to touch it. I agree that this is merely a distraction. We need to concentrate on what we can do and that’s vote him out of office.
There are those that believe that Obama is eligible to hold office of POTUS and there are those that believe he is ineligible to hold office of POTUS. I’m not going to argue as it’s pointless when we have more important things to worry about in the next two years of his Presidency. We need to work on finding the right candidate to run on the Republican ticket.
I have read that several states (i’m thinking 20 plus) are working on legislation to make it mandatory that all candidates wanting their names on the ballots have to provide a copy of their birth certificate to the state in which they wish to have their names added to the ballot. If this happens then he will have to produce his real birth certificate or not be allowed on the ballot for that state. Sounds fair to me.
How was Obamma able run in the first place. I thought you needed to prove your birthplace to run. If thats the case why cant Shwartznager or what ever his name is run. Nobody seems to give a damn anyway.
I find it really sick that we live in a world that does not care about the truth. So easy to produce a birth certificate or school records. To shut everyone up.
Our government has lied to us in the past. They will lie to us in the future. Obama ran on Transparency and Open Government. Yet nothing changed. Except our national debt is growing beyond all control.
The media is blaming a shooting on Beck, Palin, Tea party and Republicans proves the truth is LOST!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
“*You can’t handle the truth!*” A few good men.
#19
Greg, it is only meaningful to claim “lies” exist when you have the evidence to demonstrate you yourself are not the one lying. So I say, put up or . . . be quiet.
BTW, it seems you (and others, perhaps surprisingly so) failed to check the link I gave above in #11.
p.s. – I care about the truth; I care alot. I really don’t see the same belief in you, as you throw out claims that are rather wild; yet, where do you support what you say?
As far as the National Debt, you do know that the bulk of this was generated under Republican budgets (beginning with Reagan), don’t you? Talk about redistribution of wealth (from average Americans to the wealthiest income earners)!
Okay Steve I’ll bite. You posted links to snopes.com and Factcheck.org and you claim those as reliable sources but it has been noted that Factcheck.org is the one who put the fraudulent birth certificate online in the first place and snopes.com well if you want to believe what they say that’s your right just as it is our right to believe all the evidence that says that the certification of live birth that was placed on the website is a fake. It’s the same as the 9/11 Conspiracy. People believe what they choose to believe as fact. The question that is being asked is where is the long form birth certificate issued by the Hospital that Barrack Hussein Obama was born in. I believe that he is not an American Citizen because a) assuming that Barrack Hussein Obama, III was in fact his birth father; his father was not an American Citizen and his mother was not old enough at the time of his birth for him to be a natural born citizen and b) he was adopted as a child by his mother’s new husband and he became Barry Soetoro and moved to Indonesia. I believe that he never even became a naturalized citizen as his college was paid for through foreign aide. I believe that is why he has sealed all records that would reveal the truth about who he really is. He is hiding something and Nancy Pelosi signed off to the fact he was qualified to be President and no one had the balls to question it or even cared enough to find out the truth before this man was elected. So now I and many others feel we have a fraud in the White House. So the question remains, why does he keep his records sealed if there is nothing to hide?
Well, as Obama said in one of his speeches, You can do anything you want to in this country, just don’t get caught.
“From time to time recently we have heard that so-and-so BELIEVE??? that Obama was born in Hawaii. WE DO NOT NEED OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO KNOW THAT OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. Obama’s father WAS NOT a citizen of the United States; therefore, OBAMA IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. The propaganda from Hawaii’s governor and recently from others is an attempt to end the debate. But like the Tea Party, the “Birthers” will not cease and desist from insisting that Obama be removed for failure to qualify according to our Constitution.
What is incredible is that ALL of those who have uttered that Obama is qualified have been sworn to uphold the Constitution. Like the vial and corrupt Nixon, Obama should be removed immediately.” – AdrianS
WND Blog Headline:
Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate. Signs affidavit declaring long-form, hospital-generated document absent
Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1C0zk1g65
#21
MS – I appreciate your even tone, despite our disagreements.
I’m a bit new at this topic, so I’m not aware of a “fraudulent birth certificate”, as to where it is and what makes it fraudulent. I would assume the evidence you mentioned is available for examination via web links. I know in my kids case, when we requested additional BC’s, what we got were not the same as when they were born. In neither case did we get anything issued by a hospital, just the state.
If you think the linked FactCheck web page contains false info, that would be interesting to hear about. BTW, I don’t expect you to believe what FactCheck says, just that they be treated as seriously as other competent sources, and their content be reviewed for validity as any other data source. I do doubt a simple dismissal of the linked page due to concerns of some other page is meaningful as evidence of anything in particular.
BTW, when I linked to snopes.com, I also provide links to LAWYER SEARCH: Attorney’s Registration and Public Disciplinary Record pages for both Obamas as a primary source. If you find the linked snopes data unreliable after examination, these are available.
As for the other numerous items you cited, if it hasn’t been done already, I encourage a full airing of these items and their supporting evidence. I’m especially intrigued by the education angle and the relationship to citizenship.
#23,
Well we certainly know what you BELIEVE. However, without evidence, that is what is know as an opinion. And all I can add to that is I KNOW you have one; so do I and others. Now what?
Obama was not adopted, either in Indonesia or in Hawaii. You can check the Indonesia side by simply calling the Indonesian Embassy in Washington. They will tell you that he was not adopted and that he was never an Indonesian citizen. All adopted children in Hawaii have to have a file in the Lt. governor’s office, and there is no such file for Obama.
Obama has already shown the REAL birth certificate.
The Certification of Live Birth is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii. And, it is the only birth certificate that Obama can show because it is the only birth certificate that Hawaii sends out, the only birth certificate that Hawaii sends to anyone since it became the official birth certificate in 2001.
By anyone, that means anyone; even people born before 2001 get only the new short-form Certification of Live Birth, which is used by thousands of people every year. And, in Obama’s case, the facts on his birth certificate–that he was born in Hawii in 1961–were confirmed twice by the Republican officials and former Republican governor of Hawaii.
There were notices in the Hawaii newspapers of his birth. AND, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, “where his father was studying at the time.” And, she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
@#26
No, what Obama has shown to date is a computer generated certification of live birth that anyone can get from the state of Hawaii whether you were born there or outside the U.S. but lived in Hawaii during that time. It is not an official hospital issued birth certificate. That is the difference. A real birth certificate lists the hospital, time of birth, date of birth, attending physician. That which was posted on the Factcheck.org site had none of this information.
@Steve
I am at work and don’t have a lot of time but I will post the link to what I’ve eluded to in my previous post.
I think the real question that most people want answered is why the secrets? why seal his records?
Anyway, we have more things to worry about than whether the man has a birth certificate or not.
wow, the obamunists are running scared today. i’m surprised they are not crying their favorite racism excuse for criminal activities performed daily by their radical marxist thug politicians.
to all the obamunists here. why did your president spend millions to have his school records and other information sealed ? everything he has done has come under question. you say he is working for America, i say he is working for himself and his bloated ego.
a senator that has a record of voting present does not equal a president. being an attorney does not equal a president. taking illegal contributions and votes from the deceased, dogs, cats, birds and the dallas front four does not equal a president. only the weak will follow a fool.
I think the question of whether or not he is illegal is a very big question. He doesn’t act or behave like a friend to We The People, that is more than obvious…being a criminal is not what we want or need as a President. His decisions and leadership is pathetic and allowing him to get away with it is criminal. He had everyone in his cabinet thoroughly investigated but made sure all of his records were sealed, that was a big front. An illegal aunt in this country should tell you something. And she got away with it and is living off of this country.
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#25 Steve
Where have you been? I have posted many article’s about “O”s b.c.and I care not to search for them to repost.
If you don’t believe, look for yourself and you will find it.
The cert. of live birth is not the same as a birth cert.
The cert. of live birth was proven to have been fake.
It was confessed by the person that faked the b.c.
“O”s father is not an American, and his mother was under the 1961 law, too young to pass on her citzenship to her baby Barry.
He moved to a foreign country and gave up what every citzenship he had to live there.
A video of Sen. “O” and Keys, with the question ask about being born in Kenya and “O” say something like…I’m not running for president….
“O” is using a SSN from a differnet state that he claims to being born in, and its the number of a dead man…(why the media has not checked this out?)
Bottom line Steve, “O” is here to bring an end to American because him and his loving wife hate it so much like William Aryers.
The last big thing I read is the exec. order in Nov. 2010 to take our retirement funds, 401′s ect. Judge Roll was to decide on this to over rule it and was killed. American is out of money.
Steve Holloway Home Run, GAME!
#33,
“The last big thing I read is the exec. order in Nov. 2010 to take our retirement funds, 401?s ect. Judge Roll was to decide on this to over rule it and was killed. American is out of money.”
This says it all; that the reason a mentally unbalanced person went to shoot Giffords, and happened to also find the real target Judge Roll there, was to avoid all our 401k’s from being be confiscated by an Obama executive order. And I guess to cover it up, the other people were shot.
And you expect me to consider your other opinions as being honest, truthful, and accurate.
Umm, I’ve got laundry to do right now, maybe later.
#35 Steve
First-I just reported the facts on “O”s b.c……
Second-I do not know the motive of the shooter and nor do you.
Third-Your statement make no sense about the shooter. Why would the shooter be going after Giffords, because she had nothing to do with the ruling of the exc. order, only Judge Roll was ruling on it to strike it down.
If you don’t think something like this can’t happen, you act like your drinking the cool aid.
Fourth-We are out of money and the dollar is done. Cost for every thing will be very high soon. Watch the price of oil because it is tied to the dollar….but not for long.
Look, this is a waste of time to prove this to you. Just get you and your family ready for hard time’s. Get right with God and pray for HIM to guide you in all this. God Bless
If you check with any Hawaiian hospital, if you are born in the hospital, you will get a “Birth Certificate”. If you are born in your home in Hawaii, then go to the hospital after the birth, you will be given a “Certificate of Live Birth”. If you were born in Kenya, and fly to Hawaii two weeks later and go to the same hospital and your mother SAYS you were born in Hawaii, you will receive a “Certificate of Live Birth”. Very interesting…..
#36 (& #33),
I don’t know the shooters motive, and wasn’t trying to say that I did. I was trying to parse your unusual final paragraph where you discussed the shooting and Judge Roll. Perhaps you can explain what it is this was supposed to mean?
BTW, Roll happened to stop by to see Giffords, and wasn’t scheduled to be there. As described, the security video and witnesses say Giffords was the main target and first victim. Since I really don’t know what you want to say about these events, I wanted to mention these aspects as currently accepted facts.
As far as O’s BC:
* who is the so-called “techdude” and why is his story guaranteed true?
* who is the verified creator of the “fake” BC, and why is that story true?
* are any of the other assertions (claims, opinions?) backed up by evidence that can be verified?
I accept that it is your choice to decide to not pursue these items that you mentioned above. However, it is my choice to decide that these are just unsubstantiated opinions / claims, that I can dismiss until evidence is presented. I did not raise them, and I don’t need to prove them.
AFAIK, “hate” is an emotion, and therefore your claim may be difficult to prove. I find it quite funny that Ayers is sill being mentioned as being somehow significant.
Lastly, Obama trying to “bring an end to American” is a fantastic claim. Could be an exciting suspense movie though.
#37,
Not true, according to Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health.
“The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate”
#39, Steve … what is your reasoning why Obama would not simply release his long form birth certificate and why is it that no one can locate it?
Why would someone go through all the trouble and the $’s to prevent it from being seen if they did not have something to hide?
That is a valid question that I think any person running fro President should have to answer and prove no matter what party affiliation they are.
R
#40,
I actually have no opinion or reasoning on that question, to be frank. I accept the Hawaii state record on this matter, which is keeper of the official records.
I happen to ascribe to the explanation by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health as referenced under this Wiki section: Release of birth certificate and its rejection by conspiracy theorists.
Having accepted this as proof, I’m more concerned about policy and positive change, as I perceive it, from this administration. To quote #17: “I’m not going to argue as it’s pointless when we have more important things to worry about in the next two years of his Presidency.” In my book, solving American problems is at the top of the list for the next two years.
As far as looking forward, proving the basic requirements for federal office is a worthwhile idea. I don’t believe individual state laws are a viable solution, but they have a role in certifying individual credentials. However, there is the possibility such a solution might adopt the Hawaii approach, in which they confirmed his paperwork. It’s hard to predict what compromises such a law might encompass.
However, on occasion, I do enjoy debunking claims that try to keep this issue alive, up to a point.
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SM: That’s weak and as lame an answer as I have ever seen.
You seem to have an opinion on many things. You accept the proof. LOL!!! Priceless. I hardly doubt you would accept the same proof if GWB or Palin was being questioned.
How can you not have an opinion? Take Barack Hussein Obama out of the mix and just answer the question as a hypothetical? Why would anyone, namely a President, not just provide the long form birth certificate? Seriously and to make matters even more interesting to go out of one’s way to block efforts.
If you actually cared about sleuthing for answers I would have thought that you would have wanted to get answers, not accept what you are told. That’s what sheep do.
I will ask again, why do you think that some one would spend millions to block the release of a long form birth certificate which now appears to not even exist? If some one did not have something to hide, why would they do so?
R
#39 Steve
I don’t have time to dig for the info. If you want it, look for it yourself, it will mean more to you when you find it.
Thanks for the great point made Red.
It would be over in ten minutes.
“O” could just tell someone in the white house to call the Hawaiian health office to release the b.c. to anybody that wants to send off for it.
If he released it once, whats the big deal to release the long form.
#41,
I don’t see why I don’t have a right to have my own opinion, or that what I’ve said isn’t clearly seen as such. You can ascribe any theory that you want to why and how my opinion was formed beyond what I’ve said, but that doesn’t mean it is accurate, or that I care about such things.
Besides this, I’m not sure there is anymore on this response that is worth saying that is civil.
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SM: Not having an opinion is not an opinion, its a cop out and rather pathetic.
I asked you a simple question and because you know the answer and don’t want to say it makes your response weak. Actually beyond weak.
How difficult is it to answer a question, why would some one, any one, hell it could be GWB … why would they spend millions to block and obstruct info coming to the public when they someone holds a public office? Oh yea, and to add to it they promised transparency.
I am sure you have an opinon as to why some one would do such a thing.
R
#42,
I really have no interest in researching the claims you assert. I gave clear and obvious statements on this aspect in my prior post (#38). Feel free to reread it if you have any questions.
If you don’t care to back your position up with evidence, that is your choice; it doesn’t involve me. I’m satisfied with my opinion, and the evidence I’ve presented supporting it.
#42 Steve
You gave no evidence.
Here is a link with proof that “O” is not born here
Michelle says Barack’s Home country is Kenya – full statement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJihJBePcs&feature=player_embedded
#45,
Steve, if you read my post #41, and followed the link to what I described you would have seen the evidence i gave. Your above statement is inaccurate at best, and . . . I’ll just leave it there.
I’ll concede that “home” has a connotation of where one was born. I’ll also offer one alternative definition: “One’s native land; the place or country in which one dwells; the place where one’s ancestors dwell or dwelt.”
Unless you can prove what context or frame of mind Michelle had when this was spoken, there may be several interpretations as I’ve shown.
Regardless, I find it spurious that spoken word outside of a legal context are actually proof of anything in particular. Unless, you think if she is found to have also said that his home is Hawaii, then of course that will be proof positive of where he was born.
BTW, you have made claims as to your opinion; but are the one who has not provided any evidence. As I’ve said, doing so is your choice.
There is another video with Michelle saying the same thing in a different way that I can’t find, but in his book he said his father is British. you cant have citzenship from two different counties and be pres.
The spokes person about the b.c.would not back up the statement later.
A kenya minister http://jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/2010/04/kenyan-minister-khalwale-asks-when.html
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/04/current-minister-of-kenyan-government.html
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104165&EmbedC=984dac0a-a990-45f1-87d8-9b166449906c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTvlUE
#47,
As a reminder, I put no faith in non-legal speech as proof of anything. Your links include references to anecdotes (#1), political speech (#2), a hodge-podge of many other links/videos/articles (#3), and more anecdotes with the video (#4).
I saw nothing that countered the FactCheck link I included back in #11.
As far as being called British in his book; that too is anecdotal. Unless it is known and provable that Obama was referring to this as a legally binding admission. In any case, there is no law citation supporting your claim.
You don’t want to see the facts right in your face. Its his book…..who else would write in his own book that he is British but HIM. Read it for your self. What more can I say. You don’t want to use your God given brain to see what’s in front of you. Little common sense go’s a long way. I mean “come on dude”. It came out of his mouth with he debate with KEYS and I gave you the link with HIS wife saying that KENYA is his home country.
Even if I did show you the doc. with his fathers name on it which was on the internet at one time, being British, you will not believe it so what’s the point of going any further because someday you will know I was completly right, but that’s ok because I will not throw it up in your face. That is not my style. Sometimes I am wrong but not on this Steve. God Bless
another link about b.c.They cant find one and this person worked in the office and had the right to look for it……….Just like the new Gov. there….he can’t find one either, and he’s the dem. gov that wanted to prove he was born in the usa…must I go on and on
Hawaii Elections Official: Obama not born here! JUNE 10, 2010 – SMOKING GUN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo3Aj2eqmS8&feature=player_embedded
Big Bird calls bullcrap on Michelle Obama and her husband the president!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vje2FtM_itw&feature=player_embedded
Steve,
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I actually understand what you are saying and describing. I accept your quote from the book as accurate. I accept your claim that Michelle has said Kenya is his home country (or words to that effect). I accept that each and all of these things lead you to believe there is undeniable proof that Obama is a foreigner.
Contrary to your comment, I really do want to see facts; however my opinion on what constitutes a fact differs from yours, apparently. Its just that I happen to have a different opinion to these things. I don’t see them as proof or evidence of anything in particular. Were they made during court proceedings; that would be a different matter.
Proof to me under our circumstances would not be spoken or written (book) statements, whether from the party in question (Barack) or one closest to them (Michelle). I don’t see enough context or frame of mind in these personal anecdotes to consider them as specific proof of these questions. To me, proof is not so much about what anyone says, as there should exist legal documents that provide the answer. And Hawaii claims and supports their existence, and has provided a document to FactCheck (See comment 11 above), that serves my opinion.
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So this guy is talking during this video; he claims this, and he claims that. Yeah, OK; so what does that mean in a legal sense? What does his speaking prove. How do we decide if he is factual or not. What can we do to determine the truthfulness of what this video contains?
When we can get from mere statements to verifiable evidence, then we will be able to move forward on the questions regarding a BC. How else do you see this proceeding?
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You know, that is really a funny bit. Seriously, I mean it. It’s rally hard to determine if it was original broadcast footage, or simply doctored to look that way. Maybe some evidence will surface that answers that question.
Back to the funny; it seems obvious that the comedy here was squarely aimed at the so-called “birthers”. After all, who would really get serious advice from artificial characters, and on children’s TV yet? What seals the deal is how the “basket bunch” chimes in with their lovable over-the-top slogans, followed by the kids contagious laughter.
What I don’t get is why you wanted me to see this? Was it just to cheer me up a bit? If so, it worked; thanks!
the last one with big bird was just for laughs
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