RSSJoran Van der Sloot: A Picture Worth 1000 Words
Joran van der Sloot – charged with first degree murder and robbery, on his way to Castro Castro prison to await trial
Peru has managed to do in 11 days what should have been done in Aruba 5 years ago.
UPDATE I: You can see pictures of Castro Castro prison here
Posted June 11, 2010 by Klaasend Aruba, Crime, Facebook, Joran Van der Sloot, Missing Persons, Murder, Natalee Holloway | 135 comments |
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Looks like Joran is headed for the prison showers and the Policia are looking pretty happy about it.
Could be a sign of trouble for Joranita.
Smile and the world smiles with you.
Viva Peru!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cup of coffee….$1.50
Plane ticket to Peru from Aruba….$400
Cab ride to Chile….$300
Weeping phone calls to Anita….$35
Joran being perp walked just like he let the two black security guards they were framing in Aruba for Natalee Holloway’s murder…..priceless!
Urine Van Der Poop is going to take a few in the Pooper in the very near future. His “perp walk” will never be the same.
He is the lowest form of scum, and a slow, painful death.
Lowlife POS!
carpe you are right on. the WHOLE world is smiling at this one! Good job Peru. Aruba could have saved another girls life if they had acted responsibly and quickly as the PNP have done. great job. not only is the whole world watching Peru but the whole world is reviewing the way that Lie-ruba handled the Holloway case from the beginning. the way they screwed it up, covered it up and have done for the past five years.
i hope that he starts naming names, starting with papa and mama, kalpoes, van der stratten, karen janssen, dompig, etc………..what does he have to loose? he’s not going anywhere anytime soon. except to hell. good riddance.
Hey Joran – You POS
Looks Like The Party Is OVER !
Time For That Pig To Start Squealing !
Here Are My 2 Burning Questions:
How In The Hell Did He Get Stephany To Go Into His Hotel Room ?
What Did Stephany’s Father Say To That Pig ?
Joran may the rest of your life be HELL.
Just like the hell you brought to Natalee & Stephany
Jan Van der Straaten where is Natalee’s body?
Please don’t wish him dead….until after he tells where Natalee is.
Not the usual smirk, eh, Joran?
Anita should do the only honorable thing possible that may be remaining.
Instead of defending him; he is toast now anyway; talk to Joran and find out where her sporter and husband buried Natalee.
That is the only way she can have any creditability on Aruba and to help atone for their sins against humanity.
many thanks peru.
It appears our BOY “sporter” has low-life friends no matter where he travels that help him lure unsuspecting young women into his web of lies and sadly murder at least twice we KNOW of.
Check this out. WHO is this friend in Peru, Elton Garcia???
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La Repbulica (Google Translation here): The police now think robbery was the motive, they are checking her bank accounts for transfers (although other articles speculate it was her refusal to do a transfer that caused her murder.)
Reports remain confusing as to poker player Elton Garcia. I’d say his story doesn’t add up but there are so many inconsistencies, it may just be his statements are being incorrectly reported. E.g., if they weren’t friends, why did they make plans 3 days in advance to meet at a certain restaurant for dinner? Why was he so concerned about Joran not showing that he feared he and Stephany had been kidnapped, and why was he so worried he asked the casino manager to call the hotel or check the casino videos? If he was staying at the same hotel as Joran, why didn’t he ask himself? And how did he already know Stephany was missing?
Another curios note: Joran’s number was stored in his phone. (One report says he told police he did that unintentionally when he received a call from Joran, who got his number from another poker player.)
Reports vary about the last night. Some have Elton, Joran and Stephany playing poker together at an open table from 3:20 am, when she arrived at the casino alone, until 5:00 a.m. when Joran and Stephanie left together, with Stephanie driving them to the hotel — to those saying Elton just saw Stephany and Joran playing at an open table.
As mentioned, it’s been reported by multiple publications Elton was staying at the same hotel as Joran. His story makes more sense if he wasn’t staying at the same hotel. Maybe those reports are wrong. And if not, what time did he get back to the hotel that morning?
Some reports have Elton saying he played poker with Stephany four times in May. Some say he played with Stephany and Joran. Other reports have him saying he never met Joran, just knew him by sight. (But they were meeting for dinner?)
He refused to tell police Stephany had won $5,000. the night she disappeared, only that she had won $2,000. from him earlier in the month.
It sounds to me like Stephany knew both Elton and Joran and they had played together before and played together that night. But again, it’s hard to tell from the conflicting reports.
The bigger question, given the speculation of robbery as a motive, is did Joran lose, and ask Stephany to drive him back to his hotel so he could get her the money? Or Did Stephany lose and Joran asked her to make a bank transfer to pay him, using a computer back at his room? And doesn’t the casino have videotapes of all the tables? Wouldn’t the tapes show who won and who lost?
Back to news: the ex-Director of NPI (which seems to be the equivalent of our Bureau of Prisons) says Joran will not be going to Miguel Castro Castro prison (as the Peruvian press reported yesterday.) (Google translation here.)He says Miguel Castro Castro is not secure enough to protect him. He believes Joran is likely to go to another maximum security prison in Piedras Gordas.
If Joran does go to Miguel Castro Castro, I hope he doesn’t try to escape. There are a lot of land mines around the prison, courtesy of the old Peruvian government. Last month, the U.S. agreed to give Peru almost $3 million to remove some that are still there.
He’s being closely guarded to make sure he doesn’t attempt suicide. (Apparently, he hit his head against the wall of an elevator and they are taking that as a suicide attempt. I doubt it. No way would he be in an elevator alone and I doubt you kill yourself that way. Maybe it’s a story to cover up that someone else bashed his head into the wall of an elevator?)
A Peruvian lawyer, Rosa Luisa Camargo, has been appointed for him, but the Republica reports he now wants a Dutch lawyer. The opposite was reported yesterday.
I haven’t checked the wires in an hour or so and they change fast. Maybe some of these questions have been answered. What doesn’t add up to you about the reports?
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/6/7/153936/3294
I seem to recall back in time during the Holloway “disappearance”, the Kalpoe brothers had recently gotten a new stepfather, and the stepfather suddenly, and unaccountably, had the cash to buy that computer cafe the Kalpoe bros. were working at…IMO that was their pay off to keep their traps shut, so they won’t rat Joran out unless he rats them out first. And a theory I saw advanced on one of the reports as to why Stephany went to Joran’s room. She had lent him money to continue playing, and went back to his room to get the money he owed her. Instead, she was killed and he took her money, too.
This year my birthday was GREAT! Got a new smith and wesson .38, found a GREAT metal detector at the flea market…and on June 4th the boy lost his freedom for good. THAT was GREAT too!!!
On
http://www.Hi5.com
I notice that Max Arends still lists Joran as a friend. I wonder when he and others are going to start dropping Joran off their lists.
Do you think Joran is getting all of this media attention in Peru because he is an attractive blonde with light skin? lol I’m kidding.
Race never mattered to me. A live person; they are all pretty much pink on the inside.
…but Joran always felt the need to talk about it, for some reason. He liked to talk about Hitler and a lot of things.
I’m glad the time for talking is over.
Justice for Natalee and Stephany!
what can a dutch lawyer do, doesnt this go before 3 judges?
is he crying now? wait for the main course
I read on another web site someone in Holland said they believed Joran was involved in trafficing women to be sold as victims for thrill seeking killers….killers like Paulus???
Here’s Joran yet again, with a towel wrapped around his head. ONLY THIS TIME… Joran is headed for PRISON, where the Aruban police – had they conducted an honorable, ethical investigation FIVE YEARS AGO) – instead of a COVER UP with obstructions of justice and accessory to criminal acts, would have prevented the heinous murder of beautiful Stephaney.
VIVA PERU!
JUSTICE FOR STEPHANY AND NATALEE!!!
Why do people think that anybody “owed” anyone money? This was a casino…do they deal in cash and IOU’s at the table? Never been to a real casino that allows cash or promises to change hands. Its all chips, paid for in advance.
I have no idea why she would go back to the boy’s hotel room. The place isn’t big enough to “hang out” in, they would do that at a bar. They don’t look like a couple, and I don’t see how one could owe the other money from a casino poker game.
Maybe they went there to pick up drugs, or money for something else. Thats speculation though; sounds like we will get the real story pretty soon.
I have fallen in love with the guy in the “Policia” vest. (I would have said, “the one smiling,” but hey, they’re ALL smiling!!!)
Anyway, I love this guy. I wonder who he is? He looks like a Peruvian Bill Cosby. Someone to share a hoagie and good times with!
Could one of the SM admins please help me? I tried to register an account as Nikki 01 on the forum on Monday or Tuesday, but I haven’t received approval yet. Thanks in advance!
(klaasend)
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SM: We have been very busy and I haven’t approved new members in a while. I just approved you though since you went to extra effort to ask
#14 Brenda
I love the way you keep referring to “the boy” like he so disrespectfully depersonalized Natalee and Stephany.
It reminds me of the part in the movie “The Ten Commandments” when Pharaoh commands “Let the name of Moses be stricken from every book and tablet. Stricken from every pylon and obelisk of Egypt. Let the name of Moses be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of man, for all time.” Wouldn’t it be wonderful if that could be done with the boy’s name; no other child cursed with that name, and no one to remember the monster put away that caused so much pain!
LOVE the expression on that police officer’s face.
Yes sir, be VERY PROUD!
I have always thought Natalie was placed in a coffin and put into a crypt. Paulis knew the mortitian well there in Aruba.
to quote someone??? “Well, boy, you’re in a heap of trouble!”
Peru has managed to do in 11 days what should have been done in Aruba 5 years ago.
well said..
Had this happened in Aruba, can you imagine what they would’ve tried to do to Stephany and her family by now?
Joran may have simply said he needed to stop by his room to get something or change clothes.. was lies whatever it was.
I thought I read somewhere they were playing online poker for awhile in his room, but can’t remember where. I also read they are putting him in a cell alone for security. Don’t know if either are true for sure.
The Carpe – effect
(Just a Spoon Full of Sugar)…
Just a spoon full of Castro
helps the memory come back,
the memory come baaaack,
the memory come back.
Yes a spoon full of Castro
helps the memory come back,
JUS-TICE FOR NATALEE!
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Hi ho, hi ho,
to Castro now he goes,
from 9 – 3 it’s misery,
hi ho, hi ho.
Is that little bitch crying?
Pat #24,
Yes, it will be wonderful when he’s living in his new Peruvian “condo” and thinking about what part he possibly played in getting himself there.
Have been reading as many blogs as I can. Found one from Aruba and have a feeling it is one of the Kalpoes posting. I remember one kept telling the boy “if they see the s..t, you’ll get 15 yrs” or something like that. Well, whoever is posting here and angrily defending Aruba to the other posters…they are using the same type of language.
I almost didn’t post because it was SO RUDE to both Natalee and Stephany, but it shows the mentality of the sociopath (whoever it really is) behind such behavior. Here’s the link.
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/aruban_officials_uncertain_rep/857/comments-2.html
>>> I THINK ITS PATHETIC , every one is commenting on how bad ARUBA is and wanting it to sink and how poor police is and so on and so on …………well Americans wake up YOU HAVE 100 of unsolved misterYS
DAILY AND YOUR SYSTEMS SO GOOD YOUR PRESIDENT HELPS YOU IN TO HIS FAKE WAR AND SCREWS UP WORD ECONOMY ……….. AND ALL YOU AMERICANS WHO CRITISIZE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR SELFS… ALWAYS THINK YOU ARE SO BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD. POOR MENTALITY
>>>YEAH USELES IS YOUR SYSTEM, WE HAVE ONE UNSOLVED ISSUE NO PROOF AND NO BODY ………….., IF YOU CANT EVEN SOLVE S..T IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY DUDE WHY EVEN COMMENT SUPPER USA
THE WORST THING IN THE USA IS THE PRESS ..AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE S..T THEY SELL YOU TO READ ..LOL NOW THATS A SMART POPULATION BELIEVING EVERYTHING THEY SELL YOU SOME CREDIBILITY DUMB DUMB DUMBER
>>>> OOOOOOO POOR NATHALY NEVER BROKE A CUP , NOR DID COCAIN OR SMOKED MARIUANA NOR DID SHE LIKE WILD OUT OF ORDER GOING BINGING PARTYS NOOO ANGEL SHE WAS. DIDNT DRINK
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That’s not even all of it….
looks like that van was hot, urine face is all red, get use to IT boy, hell is even hotter. Love the officers smile, we are smiling with you. GOD LOVE YOU PERU.
Yep, it’s great to know that the country of Peru and their legal system will prosecute Urine van der Slut to the fullest extent that their laws allow! Thank God Peru has HIGHER STANDARDS than ARUBA!!
Aruba(ns) should be SO ASHAMED, hanging their heads LOW for all those lying, corrupt, evil individuals that were involved in the coverup into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway
Another precious life could have been saved had Aruba done the right thing!!
Brenda, what a great way to put that – I agree – any news on Joranfrankenstein giving up the location to Natalee’s remains? Time for closure for both families. Your are in our prayers here in Pittsburgh…
Su-ucks to be Joran.
What a “DELISCOUS PICTURE”!!!
Hey Anita – This one should go in the family album so when you’re “precious sporter” is a fading memory you can look back and remember!
Here’s something I’ve been thinking about… I think that most people form habits and patterns in the things that they say or the way they communicate.
I think that when Joran starts to tell a lie, I think the first part of his story is true then he changes the truth a then the last part of his story is true again. This way he doesn’t feel like he’s really lying.
Maybe I’m not correct here??? But, a lot of you are saying there is some truth within his lies so has anyone noticed a pattern?
I know he has told many but can anyone recall the actual initial lie or the first account he told of what happened to Natalee?
It would be great if we could “decode” his BS!
What happened to Joran’s smirk?
Pat in Alabama,
Pharaoh could command a name be sticken but here (as demented as it may sound)is some real scripture!
An Eye for an Eye!
and
Thou Shall Not Kill!
Unreal!! Urine van der Slut’s Zorpia page is still up and running…check it out, totally disgusting!!
http://www.zorpia.com/loverboy362?fromsearch=2
Nine year Plea deal in the works?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6571781n&tag=related;photovideo
I have to say this….We all know what a demented and horrible person Joran is….I blame his parents for the way he turned out.
They knew from a very early age he had mental problems and did nothing about it.
He beat his brother, killed his pet dog, threatened a girl with a knife saying, I can get away with stabbing you, my father is a judge…. etc etc etc etc!!!!!
He needed major help and they only gave him what ever he wanted and let him live the way HE wanted to live.
What kind of mentality is that?
The father an educated lawyer, the mother a teacher?
I hate to say this but….I feel sorry for Joran in a way. If only he wasnt so illy brought up and and he never cared or realized how mentally ill he is, maybe all of this would never have happened.
I hate to think of the others he may have harmed.
I think he father was a woman hater, I dont know what kind of background he came from but he sure didn’t teach his son to respect woman or himself so I can just imagine his sick childhood.
Anita a teacher? That amazes me, she sure did’t teach Joran right from wrong! It was easier to coddle and kiss him, allow him to go on his merry way?
My guess is she was either afraid of him or just didn’t care enough!
There was talk years ago that Anita and Paulus are related (inbred). I now tend to believe this may be true…
After Natalee they should have taken major action and have him put away in a mental home! But no not their delicious sporter son! According to them he was innocent!? Was Paulus afraid of his son ratting him out? Was Anita afraid of what people would say about her husband and the rotten way she raised the monster child? Too much pride Anita?
My heart goes out to Stephany, Natalee and their families.
But….bottom line in my opinion, if Joran’s parents were normal good caring unselfish parents Joran, the waste of life would never have done what he has done. He needed help, the monster wasnt give that to him!
I pity him, maybe he could have been something other than a horrible murdering monster!
Yes, I blame Anita and Paulus 1000000%!!!!!!!!!
Anita!!!!!!! You need major help, please get it before your 2 other sons turn out to be like their older brother!
Please Anita give up your job as a teacher, it’s a horrible thought you are around young children!
Nancy Grace – reports circulating Natalee’s skull has been found, Aruban authorities on their way to Peru…
Dateline on nbc will be covering this story 9 -11 Eastern time..
Schporter looks dirty.
Time for a delicious shower. No soap-on-a-rope allowed in Peru!
Can anyone online inmate in Peru tell us if the scrumptious Schporter’s thick kisses really taste like molasses?
Urine, I think now is the time to seriously consider … ya, know … switching sides and start playing for the other team.
Guess what – I am going to go outside now. Maybe for hours.
No smart ass grin on his face here these days… not like in the last 5 years ~
not this time…………
it’s over.
The Dutch Government was negotiating a deal with Peru that condemnded Dutch prisoners can serve there sentence in The Netherlands.
Negotiations have been halted indefinately.Guess who is in for one hell of a welcome by the more then 100 Dutch prisoners in Peru.
kiltie: i think you are correct-
“one of the reports as to why Stephany went to Joran’s room. She had lent him money to continue playing, and went back to his room to get the money he owed her. Instead, she was killed and he took her money, too”
note to Klaas:
Has Anyone Zoomed in on the Casino Video where The Pig and Stephany Meet ?
I think he may be Handing Her A Casino Chip To Pay Back What He Borrowed !
Can someone please please check that video (sorry – I know you are just a little busy right at this time)
” He needed major help and they only gave him what ever he wanted and let him live the way HE wanted to live”
There is no treatment for a psychopath. the guy doesnt have a consience and treatment is actually a very bad idea. This will give them a chance to practice their manipulating skills. Dont know if you can blame the parents. Two brothers have turned out ok and i think its normal that parents cant fathom that their children would do such a thing. In the end of the day his father would have probably lived a lot longer if it wasnt for his son.
#43 I just heard this also that Natalee’s skull may have been found…is there news anywhere about it on the web?
# 47 – wolfgang
I haven’t seen anything on the web yet, but still looking.
This is why the F.B.I was blocked from aruba.game isn’t over yet.surely F.B.I can revisit this issue…………………………………………………………….Name/Title: Complaint by Satish Kalpoe regarding FBI assistance
Date: 5 August 2005
File #: p-2005/03533
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Aruban Court
……Responsive to Request 32Name/Title: Complaint By Deepak Kalpoe regarding FBI assistance
Date: 5t August 2005
File #: p-2005103532
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator.. Aruban Court (Gerecht In Eerste Aanleg)
Ahhh, got it now. He bleached his hair, he was gonna try to pass thru Chile as Anita. I think he also had a see thru top in the back pack
Come on Joe how come Anita don’t have you for representation? Pauly left a heap of money…..
Throw daddy under bus, SOS Vanderstraaten, better help or he gonna throw you there too!!!
you do not help me, you have no value for me … ”
MSN conversation shows need for money and short fuse of Joran
There is really not an hour goes by without there from Peru reported new details about the murder of Stephany Flores. It is striking that while there is often conspicuous “leaked documents on file.” The police in Peru is known as quite corrupt, and it is also much more likely that some pieces are deliberately leaked. Course fee. But we have said previously, the country’s education, the nation’s honor.
Reconstructing Images of a local broadcasting
The openness of the Peruvian authorities in any case to ensure that we know much about the circumstances of the crime in room 309 of Hotel Tac has played. How Joran killed the woman, the nature of the injury, the security monitoring from the hotel, the timeline – everything is on the street.
Confession
Now we know what Joran turn gave to his involvement. So reports The Telegraph, which has managed to lay hands on the first declaration of Joran confessing that he has slain Stephany during a row over his involvement in the Holloway case. “When I came back (Joran was outside the hotel being out coffee and sandwiches, HS) Sat Stephany on my laptop to read. They accused me that I was not told about my past and began to argue. She tried to hit me. (..) They had no right to dive into my private life “during an outburst would Joran victims include a karate blow to her neck and gave her so violently that have strangled the neck broke. To succeed with a tennis racket, as previously reported in the Peruvian media, is also no mention.
Although it is quite possible that the flammable release Joran went to Stephany’s curiosity about his private life, should not be excluded that this was a deliberate tactical statement goes. The seasoned Joran, who in everything he does his own best interest, knows that one mistake last outbreak of violence will be punished less than such a deliberate robbery. And that was precisely the reason for ever Joran may have been.
MSN interview
Our editors have in recent months received numerous e-mails, which highlights the need for money which Joran wrong. He invented everything to raise money and shrank not to return to his family and friends to shake money out of pocket. Even the savings of his deceased father and scholarship of his brother were not safe cracker Joran. Very illustrative of the uncertain position of Joran shortly before the events in Peru wrong, is an MSN conversation between Joran and not a 20-year-old girlfriend, who we recently made available.
Below are some significant fragments, which we name the friend to withhold for privacy reasons and replaced them by the letter X. For readability, the MSN jargon converted to normal Dutch. The first release is as of May 25, more than two weeks before the murder so Stephany Flores was committed. Sat Joran was already in Peru.
Joran van der Sloot
Joran, May 25 at 7:44 p.m. – Hi, I’m currently in Peru. You can call me at XXX. I need your help. My wallet with all my bank cards and cash was stolen yesterday and I lost it during the night, so I’m currently really dick. Could you give me the morning to send 200 euros? I promise you it will double again as soon as I get back to Aruba and my bank cards won again. But I do not even have money to eat. I have asked many friends, but one can only send 100 euros and the other only 300. My return ticket is 520 and I still pay my Hotel. I would never forget and promise you really like the double return. I would just leave now because I can at the moment nothing. Thank you and the only information you need is my name Joran van der Sloot, the city of Lima Peru and the country. I’ll really be eternally grateful. Regards, Joran.
X, May 26 at 14:00 – Hey, number not available there and I’ll give you mine it. XXX, I like your song. I want to give … even though I myself desperately needed, but do it because you are. I can give 100 euros, that’s all I’m standing on my couch. Only I’ve never paid what. Help me ff then, do not know how to do it haha! But you get no letter or anything at home yet, I can say, yes I lost it.
X, May 26 at 18:47 – My dear, you really want to have tomorrow? Please reply ff. Better if you can call me after half past eight.
Joran, May 26 at 21:50 – Yes, if you can do would really help. Pins and then you stop by the Western Union and send Joran van der Sloot in Lima, Peru. That is the only information you need. Then you get really no letter home or so and I can get here at Western Union. Thanks and I try to call you later.
X, May 26 at 9:53 p.m. – Yeah, sure, you never call me! And I know that you have not lost money, I think playing poker or something, but it does not matter where you need the money, I give you. And where is that Western Union in Arnhem?
Joran, May 26 at 9:56 p.m. – Yep, in Arnhem, look online, you can find the closest, there are a lot. Really thanks, have another friend who sends me another 100 euros, so then I save it. Love, Joran.
X, May 26 at 10:31 p.m. – Yes, and what I get in return? That you call me or come and once we have a nice day / evening, whether I can come to Aruba? But I still had something to do, because you found me drama. Hence, among other things, you ask me. But if I did not give, would you still want to contact me?
Joran, May 26 at 11:25 p.m. – Now I trust that is the problem. So if you’re not going to do you have to say. Do you have, you get double me back when I am in Aruba. But if you’re not going to do you have to say, because I must think of something else. With you and my other friend, I finally had enough, so please, do it differently and let me know that you are not going to do. Love.
Joran and Stephany few hours before the murder
X, May 27 at 5:47 – Well, I would gladly do so because you’re .. If you do it half early June, then I can give you up to 300. It is that my phone bill was 270 euros. And I do gio tired. Sorry that I promised, in June if you have no money or need for something, let me know ok? Sorry honey!
Joran, May 27 at 8:52 p.m. – Say no equal. I have enough money, now just need help and counting on, I’d like you really hear the double return. But never mind, my mom is helping me already. Leave me alone, okay. Greetings and success.
X, May 27 at 9:04 p.m. – Whahah, oh, so with that I could only make up and now you’re mad, oh baby, not raised, there are worse people in your life. Haha, and I suppose you could give (because now you no longer need) when I get it back? And ps: what is this crazy site, everything is in English.
Joran, May 27 at 9:24 p.m. – I had you double returned so soon I was in Aruba, but you’re the only talk and nothing else. I always keep my word and take good care of people like you, so what you do not understand? Leave me alone. If you do not help me when I most need now, then you have no value for me. If you had asked me for help I had done it right. Greetings and success in your life.
The gegluur the laptop Joran would become fatal Stephany
Malignant
So much for the conversation between Joran and X, which clearly is to conclude that Joran was beaten severely at the begging. At first he tried to glue his girlfriend, promising twice the amount advanced to be repaid, but he suggests that if X she momentarily turn Joran is tight like a leaf on tree and he is downright evil. The X is perhaps fortunate that the heated debate is not in the seclusion of a hotel room or on a deserted beach Aruban played.
Although the course is quite possible that Joran has committed the murder out of anger at the gegluur in his laptop, but also makes the instant messaging conversation suspect another motive. Joran was clearly on the rocks and went still further in his efforts to raise money. Stephany Flores, daughter of a wealthy businessman, had money. And maybe that, coupled with its refusal to issue her that morning became fatal.
Henk Strootman
Editor Peter R. de Vries
From Joran’s Zorpia Page:
PROFILE:
Username: loverboy362
Name: Joran
Location: Arnhem, Netherlands
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Member Since:
Saturday, Jan 15 2005
Last Visit:
Friday, Apr 17 2009
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LEAVE YOUR LIGHTS ON
Hey now, all you killers
Put your lights on
Put your lights on
Hey now, all you children
Leave your lights on, you better
leave your lights on
Because there’s a Monster
Living under my bed
Whispering in my ear
There’s an angel
With a hand on my head
She says I’ve got nothing to fear
There’s a darkness
Deep in my soul
I still got a purpose to serve
So let your light shine
into my home
God don’t let me lose my nerve
Lose my nerve
Lala, you shine like stars
And fade away
–Carlos Santana
Jvd Straten to Dave Holloway – “How much money do you have?”
IMO – guilt killed his father
AS for this picture – it makes me think of that Elton John song, “goodbye ya yellow haired toad”!
@Mike are phychopaths born the way they are? Is there really no help for them? Is there a way of helping them before they become the real monsters they are?
Are you sure his parents didn’t contribute to his mental illness?
How do you know his brothers are ok????? Do you know them personally?
I do agree, Paulus couldn’t live with the tremendous guilt he was carrying around with him.
IMO Paulus is just as guilty as his son, guilty he didn’t seek help for his son and I also believe Paulus was involved in the death and the coverup of Natalee. I believe Joran was Paulus’s PIMP! I truly feel his parents knew he was sick, he should have been put away before he can do any further harm.
Where are you hearing this about Natalee???
I just saw the dateline video and it proves Joran lied in his confession.
They show him entering with Stephany – wearing the white shirt.
Then he leaves with 2 coffe cups he turns his back to the camera but he has already changed his shirt to the red stiped shirt so he has already killed Stephany!
Then he returns with 2 coffee cups and has the desk clerk unlock the door for him.
Then he leaves with his baggage still wearing the red striped shirt.
This disproves his confession that he returned and found her on his computer!
He had already killed her and chnaged his shirt before he left for the supposed coffee.
Who leaves to purchase coffee and takes the cups with him??? May be that was all a lie too!
where did the $25k go? in one week, he was flat broke in a $40 hotel? begging friends for money? that’s a lot of blow, weed and a lot of losing hands. or, did he give it to someone on the island who was putting huge pressure on him? did he pay someone off before leaving aruba? did the fbi record the numbers on the dollar bills? where is the $25k?
oops – I meant #50 wolfgang, not # 47 Mike.
#55 NGBoston – I’m really surprised Urine’s Zorpia homepage is still accessible, although it has been over a year since his last visit. It’s not uncommon to see the owners of social websites SHUT ‘EM DOWN pretty quick when one of their members have been accused of a violent crime. It makes me sick to read Urine’s adoring fans comments, continuing to express their undying love for a cold blooded MURDERER!!
#60- Good ? Where is that $25k??? It has been reported he booked the hotel in Peru and paid in Cash for a 2 week advance stay. Still….where is the balance? Was he able to access the 15,000 that was wired to him from Beth Holloway?
Why also was the $5k in poker pot winnings that Stephany won and had on her person that evening also missing? Was the Sporter in even deeper than suspected with the Human Sex Trafficking? Who has Joran been paying off,and for what? Also reported he wanted out of Aruba bc he was not getting along w/Anita and there were “money problems”. Hmnnnnn….was he also stealing from Anita? Was Anita getting tired of doling out her husband’s death benefits for surviving Spouse to Joran?
Money appears to be the root of some of the evil of Joran. The rest he grew in to on his own by the fine (sarcasm) example Papa Sloot the corrupt, gambling Judge gave him. He brought Joran, his eldest into a life guilded with Alcohol, gambling and young girls. Anyone remember the blogger who wrote in code talk on the Forum? His name escapes me now but there were so many references giving clues to the allegations of lots of dirty little secrets on that Island relating to the exploitation of young females being sold as sex slaves to powerful men on that Island with very perverted requests.
Where are Blink and Valhall? Val’s Hinky Meter is going beserk…..
That’s a good question #60 you would think that he would have at least kept a grand to travel.
He’s such a loser – who knows?
I’ll bet all the accomplices on the corrupt little island are sweating big time now. While the boy may hold to “honor among theives” for a while, he might just decide he isn’t going to be the only one sitting in prison! He could rat them all out just for spite!
Barney, drugs and gambling, 25k, is not alot for the sporter. Yellow hair dye costs a few bucks too
The halls of Babylon are shaking.
Schporter is going to roll on all of you.
Someone on Death Island needs to cut a deal – and quick.
@ 50 wolfgang: Yesterday Joran said he will tell the exact location of the body of Natalee, but will tell it only to the Aruban officials AND only locally on Aruba. The government of Peru refuses to do this as this is just another trick to stay out of prison. A Dutch Public Prosecutor will go to Peru very soon to speak with Joran about Natalee Holloway.
@ 47 Mike: there are 117 Dutch prisoners in Peru, mostly drugs related. These negotiations will NOT make it possible for all 117 prisoners to transfer them to a Dutch prison, only a small number.
Maybe he was using the 25$ to continue to pay for the silence of his cohorts…surely they have been offered $$$$ by msm to divulge what they know…
IMO
This is all Paulus, Anita and ALE fault when something bad happened they should have lead them to Natalee’s body this would have never gone this far.
They created their own NIGHTMARE ISLAND .
Joran would have done 6 month time and we would have Natalee, but no they had to LIE and brought this all on their people of Aruba themselves.
BOYCOTT ARUBA GIVE US NATALEE
I abolutely LOVED the new video that they ran last night on On the Record (Great Van Susteren). Urine left the room with two cups of coffee, looked around, realized he was on camera, panicked for a split second, knocked on the door to set up his little “help me I’m locked out and dont have the key scenario” then got a hotel employee to let him into his room. How come the hotel employee didnt see Stephany laying on the floor and the fact that the room had been tipped upside down? It certainly was not a 2 bedroom suite at the Hilton with a nice welcoming living room at the entrance!
Also, the National Enquirer published photos just after Natalee’s disappearance of freshly poured cement around the VDS home in Aruba…now we know why Paulus was sweating PROFUSELY when Natalee’s mother approached his property. They should have checked his boxers that day, I’ll bet he was sweating from both ends.
Watch Geraldo tonight, big special on this case.
I keep hearing Joran to be put in with “low level offenders” for safety….I ask why? Since he is a “high level offender” ..a killer (probably seriel killer) and a robber and abuser of all around him. He should be in with his own kind of people.
if he would have had even $500 left, he would have bought a big suitcase, checked out properly and left with the body. he didnt have a nickel. he was begging friends for money. i suspect he was getting huge pressure on the island to pay up or else. that was the catalyst for the extortion. he paid off the ‘boatman’ and left for good. he was lonely, broke, depressed and completely strung out on cocaine. i suspect the morning he killed stephanie, he was out of coke, out of weed, out of money and coming down off a week long coke buzz. stealing her money was his last chance to keep things going for a while. i sure hope the fbi is looking at the balance sheet and transactions. There is no way he ripped through $25k on just partying. its not like he was staying at the ritz. this kid was on a budget, not acting like someone who was flush with $25k. you dont play cards all week (until 5.20am) without huge amounts of coke. he also realized his only value and his only way to stay relevant, was to reveal the location of natalee. unfortunately, i think she is on the bottom of the ocean, making it impossible for him to monetize the information. he realized that morning that he ‘WAS OUT OF CHIPS, both literally and figuratively. if the aruba police arrest at the marriott, stephanie is alive. the incompetence of all authorities on the island has cost lives and should be avoided/banned/boycotted at all costs.
#71 Wolfgang,
If they put him in with “low level offenders” It won’t be long before they will have another murder on their hands.
He cannot controll his rage and all it will take is someone saying the wrong thing or giving him the wrong look and he will kill again!
He needs to be kept in soliatary to survive and with as much as I would love to know he’s getting bent over I do still hope that we are agble to get info on Natalee’s remains so her family has some closure.
After that – he’s fair game!
The Netherlands need to reopen the Holloway case and interrogate him daily until it drives him mad enough to give a true confession!
71 Wolfgang,
If they put him in with “low level offenders” it won’t be too long before he kills again. He cannot control his rage!
Wolfgang #71,
If they put him in with “low level offenders” it won’t be long before he kills again. He cannot control his rage!
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SM: Lisa, for some reason your comments are going to spam, we will check the folder more often.
R
Wolfgang
If they put him in with low level offenders it won’t be long before he kills again. He cannot control his rage!
Im fighting with the spam folder again!
If they put him in with low level offenders it won’t be long before he kills again. He cannot control his rage!
I heard Joran was going to max security with extra guard and isolation for his protection. Glad about the max, not happy about the protection. Natalee and Stephany didn’t get any protection from Anita’s delicious sporter.
I am very proud of the Peruvian PD and the Chilean for that matter. This case was solved at Olympic speed and all the police involved worked seamlessly until they had an ironclad case.
The case in Aruba could have been the same. I suspect Paulus V immediately contacted his cronies and began the cover up process with oodles of help. Even if they had 20 eyewitnesses, video and Natalee’s body, JVDS was never going to be punished there.
Ironically, JVDS would have been so much better off serving time in Aruba in their cakewalk prison system. Instead, he now faces the most strenuous conditions and for up to 35 years.
I believe Paulus died from the stress of covering his son’s crime. Every time I saw him in the news he appeared to be straining just to breathe; practically heaving his chest up and down with each breathe. His wife will likely experience an early death as well. She has been involved in this cover up too, though I am uncertain when she may have been brought in on her son’s dirty little secret.
JVDS is going to have a very long time to contemplate his crimes. I wholeheartedly believe their are many more victims to be discovered. I hope the Interpol will study his passport and therefore his movements very carefully over the past five years. Many of his victims may very well have been the “invisible” members of society who are not quickly missed or cared for in criminal investigations. Time will tell, but I really believe this is the tip of the iceberg.
SM thank you so much for your tireless coverage of this case. Though JVDS has skirted justice over the last five years, your fortitude has ensured he has been viewed as a pariah all over the world.
Fighting the spam folder here too!
I am very proud of the Peruvian PD and the Chilean for that matter. This case was solved at Olympic speed and all the police involved worked seamlessly until they had an ironclad case.
The case in Aruba could have been the same. I suspect Paulus V immediately contacted his cronies and began the cover up process with oodles of help. Even if they had 20 eyewitnesses, video and Natalee’s body, JVDS was never going to be punished there.
Ironically, JVDS would have been so much better off serving time in Aruba in their cakewalk prison system. Instead, he now faces the most strenuous conditions and for up to 35 years.
I believe Paulus died from the stress of covering his son’s crime. Every time I saw him in the news he appeared to be straining just to breathe; practically heaving his chest up and down with each breathe. His wife will likely experience an early death as well. She has been involved in this cover up too, though I am uncertain when she may have been brought in on her son’s dirty secret.
JVDS is going to have a very long time to contemplate his crimes. I wholeheartedly believe there are many more victims to be discovered. I hope the Interpol will study his passport and therefore his movements very carefully over the past five years. Many of his victims may very well have been the “invisible” members of society who are not quickly missed or cared for in criminal investigations. This is the tip of the iceberg!
SM thank you so much for your tireless coverage of this case. Though JVDS has skirted justice over the last five years, your fortitude has ensured he has been viewed as a pariah all over the world.
I’m thinking that Joran’s recent statement that he can show where Natalee is “buried” (didn’t he say “buried”?), is just going to be more agony for Beth.
It’s going to be somewhere impossible to find, or she will not be there, or I can’t remember exactly without going there, or she is in the landfill (think of the money and time that would cost [although I convinced she is there]).
Jerry
Even if I’m wrong about the landfill, and I estimate that I’m probable only 40% on this one, I think that Joran will say Natalee is there, because it would be the most costly (other than an ocean search), and cause the most pain to the family.
If they take him to Aruba, it will be the longest delay that he could possible achieve.
I predict that he will soon call out the landfill option, and will be taken to Aruba.
Jerry
I hope not, but it seems to be in the cards.
Jerry
They need to protect him from the other inmates ‘no body, no crime’ this will be ‘no Joran, no case details’ He needs to be protected from himself as well! He is so evil that he might just kill himself as his last F YOU to the world, then we’ll never know.
Wish him well until they find Natalee
Then we’ll take up a collection, a penny from everyone in the world who wants to see him dead, and pay someone to lay him down next to Jimmy Hoffa. But first they have to comply with Beth Holloway’s wishes to “peel the skin off his face”
Now he take his taxi drivers with him as well!!!!
He claim to have told them he was suspected of the mureder of flores….I hope this is a rumour because this is ridic. at the time those people drove him to Chili Flores wasnt found yet..he did pay the drivers with a camera and mobile phone that been retrieved(his property,Flores or maybe stolen from another victim)i hope its investigated if true,it stays a mystery to me where Flores 5000 or so $ are or the jewelery anyway it shows that alot of the leaked info we get contradict with eachother and instead of give me answers just let me with more questions.Peru blames poor taxi drivers now that they charged him a huge price..well geuss what this is a deal take it or leave it and he toke the deal not those drivers fault i have to negotiate every time i take long distance taxi drives thats just part of the culture.I really hope those drivers not get in any trouble.Another VDS act lets take some people with me…..
I’m troubled by what I am witnessing taking place in the media.
Here is what seems to be taking place:
In May 2005 – the reason why the US FBI could do nothing in Aruba and truly had their hands tied in being unable to uphold Natalee Holloway’s rights to an ethical investigation, no less a search for her body, was due to JURISDICTION. Our FBI had NO jurisdiction in Aruba, an international territory. That’s why they couldn’t barge into the Van der Sloots house, where everyone knew Natalee was being held. Our FBI needed ARUBA to ENFORCE THE LAW. ARUBA instead initiated a COVER UP and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. At that time in May 2005 – NO ONE FROM ARUBA OR THE NETHERLANDS made ANY ATTEMPTS to UPHOLD THE LAW, and ENFORCE NATALEE’S RIGHT TO AN ETHICAL INVESTIGATION SO THAT HER RIGHTS WOULD BE REPRESENTED.
At that time in 2005 – all the media accepted from mouthpieces like the Aruban minister of injustice,and Julia R., Arlene S, et.al – that the USA had NO JURISDICTION IN ARUBA, and that Americans just needed to be educated regarding “how” Aruban laws work.
Fast forward to 2010: since 2005, despite MULTIPLE confessions by Joran, that DIRECTLY implicate him in the Aruban “disappearance” of Natalee Holloway – NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN BY ARUBAN LE OFFICIALS, nor ANY statements made by Netherlands or Aruba demanding Natalee’s human rights be upheld. Yet they KNOW the Van der Sloots are directly involved in her “disappearance” and the criminal acts inflicted upon her.
NO ONE FROM THE NETHERLANDS – has made any attempt to demand back in May 2005 that evidence be immediately seized, car’s searched, DNA samples taken, BODY MEDICAL EVALS CONDUCTED ON THE PREDATORS, and searches to the CARS and VDS PROPERTY immediately conducted – despite KNOWING SINCE MAY 2005 – that JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was the last person seen taking Natalee away AND…that they TOOK HER TO HOUSE. They’ve known since MAY 2005, that Paulus was conducting “no corpse, no case” meetings by the pool BEFORE Natalee was even reported “missing”. In all this time – despite multiple confessions by van der Sloot, NO ONE IN THE NETHERLANDS OR ARUBA has demanded that van der sloot be arrested and detained based on his own implications of HIMSELF in the criminal acts inflicted upon Natalee.
Here we are now in 2010: and the NETHERLANDS IS WORRIED THAT JORAN WAS NOT REPRESENTED FAIRLY. THAT HIS RIGHTS WERE NOT UPHELD. EXCUSE ME? WHAT ABOUT NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S RIGHTS? WHAT ABOUT STEPHANEY’S RIGHTS? The Netherlands does not like the way Joran is being portrayed by American media. EXCUSE ME? Did WE MAKE JORAN MURDER NATALEE AND STEPHANEY? DID WE MAKE YOUR POLICE OBSTRUCT JUSTICE? WHERE IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY?
And good people of the USA – if that were not enough, NOW… we are witnessing the following:
In 2005 –
Natalee
Beth
Dave
The Mountainbrook Students … were all BLAMED for the malfeasance that took place in denying Natalee an investigation and justice.
But now – in 2010:
THE UNITED STATES FBI is being blamed while some media have the audacity to suggest that our FBI could have arrested the Aruban predator – in INTERNATIONAL TERRITORY that THEY SAID – we had NO JURISDICTION IN – on May 31, 2005 when BETH TRIED TO GET INSIDE THE VAN DER SLOOT HOLE TO HELL WHERE HER BABY WAS BEING HELD HOSTAGE?
HOW DARE THEY BLAME OUR FBI!
OUR FBI IS BEING SCAPEGOATED PEOPLE!!! And we should not allow this travesty to continue. CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN WASHINGTON – and ask them what the heck they are doing to SUPPORT OUR FBI IN THEIR WORK. WHO IS SPEAKING OUT FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S RIGHT TO REPRESENTATION – while we witness the Netherlands and Aruba suggesting that jurisdiction IN ARUBA is somehow in the hands of our FBI when ALL THE EVIDENCE IS OSBTRUCTED AND DESTROYED BY ARUBANS – yet – when the EVIDENCE IS RIGHT THERE WITH THE PREDATORS LAST SEEN TAKING NATALEE AWAY – SUDDENLY – THE FBI HAS NO JURISDICTION?
PEOPLE: THEY ARE SCAPEGOATING OUR FBI!!!! THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THESE OBSTRUCTIONS OF JUSTICE AGAINST NATALEE AND HER FAMILY!
I keep wondering to myself, what is that she could have read that made him fly off the handle? Joran has had a fair amount of press over the past five years and as a result is a minor celebrity, and surely he gets asked time and again about NH. What made this any different? She would have had to have read something more than just the usual news stories or blogs. Perhaps she hopped on his pc and found his email open and read something incriminating from the Kalpokes?
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SM: Remember, a psyiopath does not need a reason. He could have been trying to rob her and she woke, he could have tried to assault her while she sleeped and she said no. JORAN VAN DER SLOOT IS A PREDATOR.
We at SM have tried to say this for years and those that defended him claims it was all just an accident, he was a good kid.
Joran has been a demon seed for quite some time. Now he has manifested himself into the killer you see today.
R
*Correction (sorry Klass!)
I’m troubled by what I am witnessing taking place in the media.
Here is what seems to be taking place:
In May 2005 – the reason why the US FBI could do nothing in Aruba and truly had their hands tied in being unable to uphold Natalee Holloway’s rights to an ethical investigation, no less a search for her body, was due to JURISDICTION. Our FBI had NO jurisdiction in Aruba, an international territory. That’s why they couldn’t barge into the Van der Sloots house, where everyone knew Natalee was being held, BECAUSE THEY KNEW – THAT IS WHERE SHE HAD BEEN TAKEN.
Our FBI needed ARUBA to ENFORCE THE LAW. OUR FBI HAD NO JURISDICTION (as was stated by police and PAULUS at the time).
ARUBA instead initiated a COVER UP and OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE, DESTROYED EVIDENCE, AND BECAME ACCESSORIES TO THE KIDNAPPING AND MURDER OF NATALEE. At that time in May 2005 – NO ONE FROM ARUBA OR THE NETHERLANDS made ANY ATTEMPTS to UPHOLD THE LAW, and ENFORCE NATALEE’S RIGHT TO AN ETHICAL INVESTIGATION SO THAT HER RIGHTS WOULD BE REPRESENTED.
At that time in 2005 – all the media accepted from mouthpieces like the Aruban minister of injustice,and Julia R., Arlene S, et.al – that the USA had NO JURISDICTION IN ARUBA, and that Americans just needed to be educated regarding “how” Aruban laws work.
Fast forward to 2010: since 2005, despite MULTIPLE confessions by Joran, that DIRECTLY implicate him in the Aruban “disappearance” of Natalee Holloway – NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN BY ARUBAN LE OFFICIALS, nor ANY statements made by Netherlands or Aruba demanding Natalee’s human rights be upheld, that Natalee’s rights be REPRESENTED. Yet they KNOW the Van der Sloots are directly involved in her “disappearance” and the criminal acts inflicted upon her based on their own incriminating STATEMENTS that continue to be IGNORED and NOT ACTED UPON.
NO ONE FROM THE NETHERLANDS – has made any attempt to demand back in May 2005 that evidence be immediately seized, car’s searched, DNA samples taken, BODY MEDICAL EVALS CONDUCTED ON THE PREDATORS, and searches to the CARS and VDS PROPERTY immediately conducted – despite KNOWING SINCE MAY 2005 – that JORAN VAN DER SLOOT was the last person seen taking Natalee away AND…that they TOOK HER TO HIS HOUSE. They’ve known since MAY 2005, that Paulus was conducting “no corpse, no case” obstruction of justice meetings by the pool BEFORE Natalee was even reported “missing”. In all this time – despite multiple confessions by van der Sloot, NO ONE IN THE NETHERLANDS OR ARUBA has demanded that van der sloot be arrested and detained based on his own implications of HIMSELF in the criminal acts inflicted upon Natalee.
Here we are now in 2010: and the NETHERLANDS IS WORRIED THAT JORAN WAS NOT REPRESENTED FAIRLY. THAT HIS RIGHTS WERE NOT UPHELD. EXCUSE ME? WHAT ABOUT NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S RIGHTS? WHAT ABOUT STEPHANEY’S RIGHTS? The Netherlands does not like the way Joran is being portrayed by American media. EXCUSE ME? Did WE MAKE JORAN MURDER NATALEE AND STEPHANEY? DID WE MAKE YOUR POLICE OBSTRUCT JUSTICE? WHERE IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY?
And good people of the USA – if that were not enough, NOW… we are witnessing the following:
In 2005 -
Natalee
Beth
Dave
The Mountainbrook Students … were all BLAMED for the malfeasance, corruption and obstructions to justice that took place since May 2005 -in denying Natalee REPRESENTATION and an investigation and justice.
But now – in 2010:
THE UNITED STATES FBI is being blamed while some media have the audacity to suggest that our FBI could have arrested the Aruban predator – in INTERNATIONAL TERRITORY in May of 2010 that the NETHERLANDS AND ARUBA BOTH SAID – we had NO JURISDICTION IN – on May 31, 2005 when BETH TRIED TO GET INSIDE THE VAN DER SLOOT HOLE TO HELL WHERE HER BABY WAS BEING HELD HOSTAGE?
So.. we DO have jurisdiction IN ARUBA – when ALL THE EVIDENCE IS DESTROYED, TAMPERED WITH, AND OBSTRUCTIONS TO JUSTICE ARE EXECUTED WITH PRECISION … BUT… WE DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION WHEN A DEFENSELESS CHILD’S BODY IS BRUTALLY ASSAULTED AND HELD HOSTAGE IN AN ARUBAN HOUSEHOLD, THE BLOOD IN THE CAR IS THERE FOR THE COLLECTING, THE BLOOD ON THE ROCKS ARE THERE FOR THE COLLECTING, THE STATEMENTS IMPLICATING THE PREDATORS INVOLVED IS THERE FOR THE RECORD TO ACT UPON- THE DNA, THE WITNESSES STATEMENTS ARE RIGHT THERE TO BE ACTED UPON, AND ALL THOSE VIDEO TAPES THAT RECORDED WHAT TOOK PLACE (WHICH CONTRADICTED THE HEINOUS LIES BEING UPHELD BY ARUBAN POLICE)- ALL THAT EVIDENCE WAS RIGHT THERE – FOR THE ARUBAN POLICE TO SEIZE AND SEARCH BUT THE FBI DID NOT HAVE JURISDICTION AT THAT TIME?
HOW DARE THEY BLAME OUR FBI! THEY ARE UNCONSCIONABLE!
OUR FBI IS BEING SCAPEGOATED PEOPLE!!! Just like they scapegoated BETH, DAVE, NATALEE and the MOUNTAINBROOK STUDENTS. DOES ANYONE SEE A PATTERN HERE? We should not allow this travesty to continue.
CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN WASHINGTON – and ask them what the heck they are doing to SUPPORT OUR FBI IN THEIR WORK. WHO IS SPEAKING OUT FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S RIGHT TO REPRESENTATION – while we witness the Netherlands and Aruba suggesting that jurisdiction IN ARUBA is somehow in the hands of our FBI when ALL THE EVIDENCE IS OSBTRUCTED AND DESTROYED BY ARUBANS – yet – when the EVIDENCE IS RIGHT THERE WITH THE PREDATORS LAST SEEN TAKING NATALEE AWAY – SUDDENLY – THE FBI HAS NO JURISDICTION?
PEOPLE: THEY ARE SCAPEGOATING OUR FBI!!!! THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THESE OBSTRUCTIONS OF JUSTICE AGAINST NATALEE AND HER FAMILY! THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO DENY NATALEE HER RIGHT TO REPRESENTATION – WHILE – THEY UPHOLD JORAN’S RIGHT TO BE REPRESENTED!
THE COVER UP CONTINUES IN ARUBA. AND NOW, THE NETHERLANDS IS SUPPORTING IT.
72 Barney Fife…I agree. Did I see that he was checking the wave flow charts at nearby water on his computer. Probably to give the body a toss which worked so well for him in the past. AND Lisa,75, I think you are right as well, the only thing dependable about his is his RAGE.
Karma is a bitch. It ruined his mojo. He can’t win at the poker table anymore, so he rolls a girl who could. I understand he pissed away the FBI money in record time at the poker table. A loser in every respect.
Mr. TACO STEIN: explain to Natalee Holloway’s family, her tormented parents for the last FIVE YEARS by the predator that Aruban authorities protected – explain to the Natalee’s parents just exactly HOW your version of “jurisdiction” works.
ON MAY 31, 2005: BETH, Natalee’s mother HAD AN AFFIDAVIT REQUESTING POLICE SEARCH THE VDS PROPERTY. BUT NO SEARCH WAS CONDUCTED BY ARUBAN POLICE. Are you now stating that our FBI had jurisdiction to conduct a search of the Van der Sloot property? If that is true sir, then WHY did your Aruban police NOT ALLOW OUR FBI DIVERS IN THE WATER IN THE FIRST TEN DAYS (May 31 – thru – JUNE 9th?) WHY DIDN’T YOUR ARUBAN POLICE ALLOW OUR FBI TO ENTER THE VDS PROPERTY ON MAY 31? WHAT WERE YOU HIDING?
FOLLOW THE STINKING PATTERNS OF CORRUPTION, SM.
In May 2005:
It was Beth, Dave, Natalee, Jug, Mountain Brook students fault for WHY Aruban police FAILED TO TAKE ACTION TO INVESTIGATE, WHY THEY FAILED TO SEARCH DEEPAK’S / JORAN’S CARS, WHY THEY FAILED TO SEARCH THE VAN DER SLOOT PROPERTY, WHILE DESTROYING EVIDENCE, OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE, TAMPERING WITH STATEMENTS, TAKING CARS TO THE BODY SHOP, USING BORROWED PHONES TO AVOID CONVERSATIONS BEING DETECTED, TAMPERING WITH PHONE RECORDS, TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE…WHILE… TAKE GREAT PAINS TO ARREST, DETAIN, SEIZE PROPERTY FROM TWO BLACK MEN – THAT THEY KNEW WERE NOT INVOLVED IN NATALEE’S “DISAPPEARANCE”…WHILE… IGNORING VIDEO SURVEILLANCE IMPLICATING: PAULUS, DEEPAK, SATISH, AND JORAN (FOR STARTERS).
Can we get some heavy duty media questioning of Mr. Stein, by the American press, please, and an end to the SCAPEGOATING of our FBI being perpetrated by the unconscionable in Aruba and the Netherlands?
So love that picture!!! Are those puffy, cry baby eyes?
I hope they do look into Elton Garcia the Albanian. He was also heard to ask J…AKA “the boy”
“did you get the women”
and news crews had to chase him down because he did not want his picture taken, they never got it.
There is a lot more to this story than meets the eye, I’m beginning to think.
Great summery #12 Brenda, thanks!
Supposedly Mama Sloot is coming to Peru with a Spin Doctor. Gotta preserve that family name.
# 69 – you are so on target.
But imagine this: what would it mean for Aruba’s tourism – if government officials were also in on the corruption that involved obstructions of justice AND criminal acts inflicted upon an American tourist CHILD?
What would it mean for Aruba’s tourism IF… USA tourists were to learn that Joran was part of a ring that literally TARGETED American girls, drugging them, raping them, and dumping them on the beach? In Natalee’s case, they drugged her, kidnapped her – and then THEY MURDERED HER BECAUSE SHE FOUGHT BACK. HOW MANY HAD TO BE INVOLVED IN RAPING, BEATING and TORTURING NATALEE -in order for PAULUS – to institute WITH THE HELP OF POLICE – the NO CORPSE, NO CASE CORRUPTION, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, and WHOSE SONS – AND FATHERS – WERE INVOLVED IN THESE HEINOUS CRIMINAL ACTS? COULD THIS BE THE REASON WHY THE ARUBAN ALE FAILED TO INVESTIGATE?
What would it mean for Aruba’s tourism IF – there were rings of predators on Aruba who – WITH FULL SUPPORT OF ARUBAN POLICE – were AIDED (through pay offs, and other acts of corruption) to inflict criminal harm upon innocent tourists? Do you think that could kill tourism in Aruba?
How about – if Aruba’s Casinos, discos, and hotels (some perhaps owned BY THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT?) were ALL BEING USED in these heinous criminal acts – with FULL KNOWLEDGE of the Aruban police? WOULD YOU TRAVEL TO AN ISLAND THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THAT LEVEL OF CORRUPTION? WOULD YOU BE SAFE THERE?
#88., ~ JC …
just a theory of mine…I feel that Joran committed this latest heinous murder ~ as in his sick twisted sociopathic mind, knowing that it was the 5th Anniversary of Natlee’s death ~ he wanted all the limelight and attention going upon himself and not Natalee…most definately,not Natalee or Beth… he hated Beth and recently extorted money from Beth Holloway… payback ~ let’s torture this family some more by promising to tell them where the body of Natalee is laying. Now, successful in getting some of the money… he’s about traveling… doing what he does best… feeling cocky, more powerful, he upped the anty and he went for blood ~ remember, he was the victim here…not Natalee Holloway or Beth, her Mother for that matter… he wanted to hurt the Holloway family more and inflict more pain upon them… after all this attention being on Natalee’s Center ~ this has him seething…
Now, his uncontrollable rage was brewing for quite some time and he didn’t want the attention on the Holloway’s and thus shifted the attention away from the Holloway family’s celebration and opening of Natalee Holloway Center (that day) to himself… this is ALL about JORAN… again, his being the victim here…. Narcissist. He was the victim here…it’s all about HIM ~ Stephany made him kill her… Stephany, MADE him kill her? ~ (she invaded his personal space by having been on his computer)… (that’s a reason? to kill her?)… remember, in his *sick mind, HE IS the victim, here… and he went bizerk and did the deed…
What a sick-O
No one can really grasp whats in the mind of a killer, however, Dr. Keith Albow ~ Forensic Psychologist/psychiatrist more than likely could.
Sadly, there’s much more to this sordid story and probably more victims here… I agree with other posts here, that his passport entry’s need to be checked carefully and time lines and also missing girls in those countries… Thailand is well known for human trafficking/sex trade as is S. America in drug trading… there’s got to be a connection here… and thus, Joran’s insatiable appetite to murder and kill was being fed. More power and control… more power, more power…..more…….
just a theory…
#59 – VERY ASTUTE OBSERVATIONS.
Now, when Joran showed up in his short-shorts on 5/31 (en route to returning to his house, AFTER he and his father had one of their “no corpse, no case obstruction of justice meetings” with the Kalpoe monsters, at that time, BETH questioned HOW Joran could be in short-shorts, while claiming to be at the casino gambling (dress requirements at casino). ALE could have immediately gone to seize video surveillance at the casino to investigate whether he was actually there. They KNEW he was the last person seen taking Natalee. They also knew that SURVEILLANCE at the HI hotel showed: Natalee was NEVER DROPPED OFF (as the sloot-kalpoe conspirators claimed). Yet, Aruban police never detained, questioned, arrested Joran and the Kalpoes, nor Paulus.
They knew:
– HI hotel surveillance showed that Natalee was never dropped off.
– HI hotel workers stated they saw NO SIGN OF NATALEE RETURNING.
– casino surveillance videos PIN-POINTED PAULUS AND JORAN as the LAST PERSONS AT THE CASINO WITH NATALEE.
– MB students were outside ALL NIGHT – and never saw Natalee returned as Joran claimed.
– Paulus had conducted no corpse, no case meetings with Kalpoes, and Joran – BEFORE – Natalee was reported missing.
– Surveillance from all the places OUTSIDE the hotel may also have shown PAULUS engaged with JORAN and NATALEE…but conveniently, those tapes went poof.. just like the casino tapes, and the HI tapes. LOTS DISAPPEARED. NOT JUST NATALEE.
– Beth had an affadavit requesting search of VDS property on 5/31 – but even THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, because the ALE needed to create FALSE leads to CONSPIRE to arrest two innocent black men (who they conveniently DID USE THOSE TAPES to falsely implicate, as it turns out one of the guards was on tape – earlier in the evening, making him a choice target for corrupt ALE police.)
What would it mean for Aruba’s tourism IF – the level of CORRUPTION and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE GOES VERY, VERY DEEP and… THOSE INVOLVED IN THESE HEINOUS ACTS INFLICTED UPON BEAUTIFUL NATALEE…GO VERY HIGH UP IN THE ARUBAN GOVERNMENT /AND ARUBAN LAW ENFORCEMENT?
Peruvian authorities just made the world safer for
everyone. Stephany Flores and Natalee Holloway
aren’t the only ones, folks.
Gosh, what ever happened to the TWO WITNESSES who SAW DEEPAK’S CAR – AT THE VAN DER SLOOTS – RIGHT BEFORE BETH ARRIVED on 5/31/05 looking for Natalee – yet, DEEPAKS car was sudddenly gone when Beth arrived (and just prior to her arrival, coincidentally – Beth had been AT THE ARUBAN POLICE STATION) …makes you wonder how DEEPAKS CAR SUDDENLY LEFT THE VAN DER SLOOT PROPERTY WITH JORAN AND DEEPAK IN THE CAR, and that upon her arrival to the property, DEEPAKS CAR WAS SUDDENLY GONE AND Van der sloots house-lights were suddenly turned off, and Paulus was claiming that he had been ASLEEP. Interesting how RIGHT BEFORE SHE ARRIVED AT VAN DER SLOOTS – BETH HAD BEEN AT THE ARUBAN POLICE OFFICE. Interesting, because THAT SAME NIGHT – DEEPAK WAS ALREADY BORROWING PHONES, because he had been INSTRUCTED NOT TO USE HIS OWN PHONE. And this corroborates what the kalpoes told the falsely framed and arrested security guard: THAT THEY HAD A MEETING, THAT THEY DISCUSSED THEY SHOULD NOT USE THEIR PHONES, BUT SHOULD INSTEAD USE OTHER PHONES THAT WOULD NOT BE TRACED. There was a LOT OF HELP in the heinous acts of obstructions of justice. PS: WHERE DID ALL THOSE SEIZED PHOTOGRAPHS GO, THAT THE ARUBAN POLICE TOOK FROM THE MOUNTAIN BROOK CHILDREN – SHOWING JUST EXACTLY WHO WAS AT C and C on 5/31? IS SOMEBODY ELSE’S SON IN THE PHOTOS BESIDES KALPOE-JORAN-PREDATORS? How about surveillance around HI HOTEL. WHERE WAS PAULUS AFTER PLOPPING HIMSELF BESIDE NATALEE AT THAT CASINO ON 5/30 – WHILE CLAIMING ONLY HOURS LATER TO BETH – THAT HE DID NOT KNOW HIS SON WAS WITH NATALEE…NOR NEVER TELLING BETH THAT HE ( PAULUS) HAD SAT RIGHT NEXT TO NATALEE RIGHT BEFORE SHE WAS KIDNAPPED AND MURDERED?
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The fact that it took Paulus 20 minutes to come to the door on May 31, 2005 at 12:30 and Joran was at the casino, wrong casino and appeared at home tells us that certainly Paulus was in on the cover up. And the fact that LE did not trail the 3 boys and the suspicious Dad to at least to try to establish no connection to the security guards they had in custody, suggests that LE was giving the van der Sloots the gift of time. I’m pretty sure that is the same as complicity.
No matter what happened to NH it would make sense that Paulus would have disposed of the remains himself and not shared the location with his big mouth son who would soon be questioned again. Clearly the forensics did not permit staging the death as an accident. Hitting her head would have been easy to pass off, her own classmates detail her drinking.
On short notice, you have to either hide a dead body yourself or enlist the help of someone with whom you have done something illegal before. I don’t think this is a time to test the limitations of a friendship. Think if your very best friend called and asked you to help hide a dead body or to borrow your boat under these circumstances.. I don’t think Paulus would call two random Columbian guys and ask them to dump a little something and if so, said Columbians would come forward for a reward.
So with all this said, I would hire a forensic accountant and start looking at what Paulus was doing before this went down. He was either involved in drugs, arms or human trafficking and someone in LE was working at this project with him. His involvement in one of these areas probably has more to do with his untimely death than a faulty ticker. I think fear of those involved with Paulus in running guns drugs or people is what is keeping Deepak and Satish quiet.
As for sporter, if he had violently murdered Natalee don’t you think Mom and Dad would have sent him to rehab instead of college. Why save him if you have to worry about his every move. Did the van der Sloots parade Joran in front of the media to spare Joran or was it to cast suspicion on Joran and off the Dad, Did they hire Tacopino to shine a light on Joran as a suspect to keep the light off the Dad. And who paid Tacopino anyway? Was the cover up to spare Joran jail time, save the brothers from shame, or to avoid circumstances that could merit looking into Paulus finances and connections.
1. Are there records to prove Paulus was not in the Casinos any time the Mountain Brook group was in Aruba.
2. Did the casino provide an ID of the bald gentleman sitting next to NH in the casino video.
3. Who was Paulus tennis partner the day he died.
4. Was there an autopsy report?
5. Has anyone traced the money used to pay legal fees.
Is anyone else thinking like this or do you think I am way off base here?
wonder if mama sloot will get the same warm welcome as her murdering son. give her hell peru
#100 – the reason Natalee’s body could not be found was because they would find a hell of a lot of evidence ON IT and INSIDE IT. Clearly, Natalee fought back. (Hence, her one desperate attempt to get HELP, which conveniently was also NOT investigated. WHOSE PHONE WAS USED TO MAKE THAT FINAL CALL? WHERE WAS THAT CALL MADE FROM?)Interesting how those Gottenbos guys left the island, and Guido raced off to the Netherlands. Maybe that explains why Straaten, the officer from the dark side, was dragging his feet and doing all kinds of “police work” – ON A SUNDAY, from his “office” or should I say, from the staging area used for a good deal of the CORRUPTION and OBSTRUCTIONS OF JUSTICE THAT TOOK PLACE?
Natalee had drinks along with all her friends.
Funny how ALL THE REST MADE IT BACK…EXCEPT NATALEE. Natalee, the ONE STUDENT, who was TARGETED BEFORE THE CASINO. NATALEE, the ONE STUDENT WHO HAD SOME “OLDER MAN” APPROACH HER – BEFORE THE CASINO.
NATALEE – WHO HAD PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT – RIGHT NEXT TO HER AT THE CASINO..only for Paulus to then DENY KNOWING that NATALEE was with his son AT THE CASINO, and that Natalee was also sitting right next to HIM ( PAULUS) – AT THE CASINO. Then, Natalee was NEVER SEEN AGAIN.
“Drinking” was used by the predators to create all kinds of DIVERSIONS that were aimed at discrediting and re-victimizing THE VICTIM…rather than holding the LAST MEN SEEN TAKING HER AWAY – ACCOUNTABLE FOR QUESTIONS, FOR SEARCH AND SEIZURE OF EVIDENCE. And… it worked. WHY? WHO ELSE WAS INVOLVED? WHAT ELSE IS INVOLVED? HOW DEEP DOES THIS GO?
#100 – Do you think the ALE investigated Paulus on his big “BANKING” DAY in Aruba? You know, the day Paulus made deposits, and previously when he made WITHDRAWALS, and all kinds of interesting stuff that he did at the bank?
Gee. Funny how that lady from the bank died right after Paulus hit the banks.
Funny how our USA ENVOY TO ARUBA – is NOW MISSING. Funny how nobody seems to know where HE IS – EITHER.
But rest assured.
Aruba is very safe…for murderers.
JVDS has been lying all along ever since Natalee disappeared. I don’t beleive in rage fits like so many of you described. Watch him again exiting the room for the last time…calm, composed, calculated. No signs this young man is troubled by anything at all. I beleive the young lady exactly knew who he was before she took off with him. Curiosity? Maybe? I was inclined to think she was an undercover, but that, we’ll never know.
To dig into his computer also displays a certain amount of curiosity. He found her out, and was most likely ‘upset’ to have been tricked. The fact that he could slip into another country also makes me beleive that authorities neede time to make up a story to protect her cover. Dead or not, her cover must remain since she may have been working other files as well.
Oh! it does not excuse him of the crime(s) he commited, that’s for sure.
He will try all the tricks in the world to be sent to Aruba for a reason or another. There he enjoyed unconditional protection from authorities and as someone pointed out, some other big wig’s son or daughter may have been directly or inderectly invlved in the Aruba File.
Van der Sloot arrived in Peru on May 14, authorities say, four days after allegedly receiving $25,000 as part of an FBI sting aimed at resolving the Holloway case.
Joran would’ve been in Peru almost 2 weeks before Stephany was murdered.. plane ticket, hotel, food, gambling, cigarettes, drugs, clothes maybe? etc.. 25k wouldn’t last long. Could’ve spent some before he left Aruba..
Dateline show was nice last night. Liked JQK since he was the attorney for Nicole Simpson’s family.
This according to Police General Cesar , they believe she was killed earlier than he said. Laptop/Holloway stuff probably wasn’t even the motive..
Guardia also told The Daily Beast that Van der Sloot lied about the timing of the murder. Earlier in the week, he told investigators that he had gone out to buy coffee for himself and Flores, and killed her when he returned to the room after finding the young woman on his computer. In fact, according to Guardia, hotel surveillance cameras show that Van der Sloot faked his early-morning coffee run. Instead, he left the room with two empty paper cups and then summoned a member of the hotel staff to open his door, lying that he had forgotten his key.
This, according to the Peruvian police, underscores the suspect’s attempts to cover his tracks. “In terms of the sequence of events which led him to commit this savage act, it’s true he has recounted most of what occurred,” Guardia told The Daily Beast. “But he admits there are also some parts which he doesn’t remember.” Guardia added that he thinks Van der Sloot confessed “because the evidence against him was so overwhelming, he was obliged to do so.”
Love the comments.. Was gonna try to pass into Chile as Anita with a see through top in his backpack ..lol and Goodbye , yellow haired toad ..lol
Joran, Urine, whatever! I’d feel for ya but I can’t reach ya! You DUMB ASS!!! I hope you get what’s been needing done for 5 years! You’ve been cocky these past 5 years, now you really will be feeling cocky! If ya know what I mean!
#104 Yukon Max, have you seen the latest video that came out last night on On The Record with Greta Van Susteren? It showed a yet again collected, calm and cool Joran staging a scene. He came OUT of the room with 2 coffees, looked around, realized he was on camera, knocked on the door pretending to be locked out, then went and got a hotel employee to let him into the room….still with the 2 coffees in his hand.
#102 Pearl
I hadnt heard about a lady dying at the bank in Aruba, can you expand on that a little…fascinating!
Joran VDS is being held in isolation due to the enormus public frenzy his RECENT Murder charges have caused. Officials can not place him anywhere else in the Maxiumum Security prison for his own safety.
New Headline @ ABC News:
“Joran van der Sloot Pelted With Rotten Vegetables on Way to Court”
Police Say Van Der Sloot Beat, Suffocated Victim in Peru; Ate Pastries in Room With Corpse
Hey, Little Sporter—all those tomatoes yesterday—how’s that working for you? LOL
No worries, Mama Sloot will be arriving soon with her new Spin Doctor to whine to the world how unfairly the Monster is being treated. Guess what? No one is listening, nobody cares.
Viva Peru! Wait till America gets our crack at Joran next! The lying sack of sh*t! We know you dumped Natalee in the Ocean or buried her on that Island. Either way, you will pay for her Murder as well.
*~*~*~*~*~ DeAd MaN WaLkiNg ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Anita VDS will have to go penniless to pay for Urine’s defense. All the money on the planet is not going to do diddly for her precious little Sporter now. How sweet it is!
– Justice for Natalee and Stephany -
HEY JORAN ,I HOPE THEY TEAR YOU APART PIECE BY PIECE IN THAT HELL HOLE PRISON YOU ARE IN. YOU F****** MONSTER.
My heartfelt condoences are wirh the Flores family. What happened to their beautiful, beloved daughter Stephany, shouldn’t have….and we all know why. I hope all in Aruba who received their “30 pieces of silver” can’t, and never will, sleep at night.
He really is a man without a country.
As a parent, even if my son was a sociopath/pyschopath…I would still love him.. but I would seek help for him years ago.. nothing to lose..even if it never did help..
I can not believe Anita is out partying and having fun..not even offering sympathy to the Flores family.. or going to her son or staying home quiet. I wouldn’t even want to go out if it were my son. She is out partying while 2 families are in so much pain related to her son.
RE: Photo Caption 4 Urine VDS
(Click-Click-Click)”There’s No Place Like Aruba”
“Pay no attention to that evidence behind the curtain”….
According to the Dutch Embassy Mama Sloot will not be coming to Peru.
I also read on a Dutch news site that there were anger problems with him growing up, that he traumatized his younger brothers and there was something about throwing something/someone off a bridge that was lost in translation and that he had psychiatric treatments way before Natalee H set foot in Aruba. So were the VDS parents just trying to cover an ever increasing menace by doing all that he wanted to to calm him?
Anyone else heard anything about this?
Anita shouldn’t go to peru, with the public outrage this has caused she will be putting herself in harms way and it’s too late now anyway! His goose is cooked!
Sorry I do not have more for you 108…but, the lady at the bank was not the only person to die following the criminal acts inflicted upon Natalee. I believe several people suddenly had untimely “deaths” in Aruba. Turns out, I believe a security guard also died (apparently was thrown ??? off of a roof top…or did the ALE report it as a “suicide”?), wasn’t there also a grave keeper who suddenly died?…then the lady at the bank, then .. I believe some other people, including a media person… no? I thought I had read some reports of some very untimely deaths following the heinous criminal acts inflicted upon Natalee. Next thing you know, Janssen was making a bee-line for the Netherlands, going on “vacation”…and one by one, they all “disappeared” – Guido, Gottenbos brothers, Van Cromvoirt (the one who had reportedly slapped Natalee the night before she was kidnapped and murdered)stayed on the island I believe, but developed a very low profile (what with his sister being on the ALE and all), the judges who made the corrupt rulings while the court docs/papers that were supposed to be SECURED were rifled through by none other than the “judge in training” who was given access to EVERYTHING WHILE – ATTORNEYS WERE QUESTIONING HOW STATEMENTS WERE VANISHING..slowly lots and lots of stuff and individuals just “disappeared” ..though not in the painful, final, tortuous manner that NATALEE was “disappeared”. They all got to go to their holes in the ground, and sleep in a nice comfy bed at night, (except the ones who met untimely deaths)…the others all got to disappear from Aruba, but they got to see their families again. And Natalee? She got to be desecrated by the unconscionable and beaten up AGAIN by the deviant in Aruba. The rocks, the bloody mattress found by the water, the HOUSE that they TOOK HER TO. NONE OF IT WAS INVESTIGATED…because there was a COVER UP. Wasn’t there even a question as to whether or not Beth was actually taken to A POLICE STATION – on that first night? Seems that they may have taken her … to ANOTHER PLACE, you know…telling her it was a police house, while perhaps it was something else, something tied to the entities that had a LOT riding on the OUTCOME of how these fiends were going to SPIN the depravity they inflicted or allowed to be inflicted upon Natalee AND HER FAMILY. They thought that they could “sell” the innocent black security guards as bait to everyone. IT WAS BETH WHO STOOD UP FOR THEM AND DEMANDED THEY BE RELEASED. Meanwhile – as one person above noted: Van der Straaten’s and company’s FIRST QUESTION TO DAVE WAS: HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU HAVE? They knew that the kalpoes had a little converstion with one of the framed guards while the guard was being FALSELY DETAINED. They were still looking for ways to fraudulently pin the murder of Natalee (and her brutally victimized body) on the innocent Black guards. (someone needs to tell the NAACP what a welcoming place Aruba is to the Black community). And WHERE was the FIRST PLACE (as pointed out by Kermit) that Van der Straaten DIRECTED his “investigative” team to search? AWAY – FROM ALL THE PLACES THAT VAN DER STRAATEN HAD VIDEO SURVEILLANCE – THAT SHOWED NOT ONLY WHERE THEY HAD LAST BEEN SEEN WITH NATALEE, BUT THAT SHOWED EXACTLY WHO WAS LAST SEEN WITH NATALEE…and Van der Straaten directed the search AWAY from those areas and OUT to the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ISLAND.
WHY?
As Kermit pointed out: THAT’S WHERE THE SECURITY GUARDS LIVED.
BUT PAULUS COULD NOT ALLOW NATALEE TO BE FOUND… (I WONDER WHY).
WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE HAPPENED ON THE NIGHT THOSE LIGHTS WENT “POOF” ON THE ISLAND, WHICH BY THE WAY – HAPPENED AROUND THE SAME TIME – THAT THE BOATS WERE ALL CALLED IN FROM THE “FAKE SEARCH” ON THE WATER, WHILE THE FBI WAS DENIED ENTRY TO THE WATER (never being given a SINGLE TARGET to search).
That was some “investigation” upon which – the media now reports – “no evidence was ever found”.
That’s not exactly correct. It was found. And then DESTROYED.
#111 … absolutely.
That island is strewn with bloodshed and thirty pieces of silver all over the place.
That place is truly hazardous to Americans.
WHERE IS OUR VICE-CONSUL TO ARUBA, WHO VANISHED FROM THE BEACHES AT CURACAO?
#88,
IMO, information for Beth on Natalee’s body location. IF anything really, which I doubt.
Hey guys look: This is the face I am gonna make when I get butt-raped in your hell hole of a jail.
Have you all read this, the theory NH is buried at the Marriott? It’s in Spanish so can be translated by google or babel fish
http://www.diario.aw/2010/06/mi-opinion-encuanto-e-lugar-unda-natalee-ta-dera/
Does anyone really think he lost that over-sized circus freak(apologies to circus freaks) shoe in the ocean?
When one enters into a swampy area, that mucky mud will suck a shoe right off one’s foot when pulling it out. Maybe the inland lakes are the place to look.
The ocean is a false lead. If she was put into the ocean, one could never be certain where the currents would take her, or if she would stay down.
On land, one could always know where she was in case she needed to be moved.
He is Bifrons. So was the Elder.
“No body – no case” – before it was known if she was dead.
The authorities need to be looking at his online poker accounts. I think he borrowed money from Flores. He told her to come the the hotel room and he would use his laptop to transfer the loaned money from his online poker account to hers.
#61- Susan— I concur. What I thought was interesting was his screen name of LOVERBOY.
LMAO! He’s going to be someone’s loverboy in Castro Castro, alright. For now his ass is being protected in isolation but I am convinced they WILL get to him. 5 years too late, IMO but Joran’s day of wine and roses are officially OVER.
******** JUSTICE FOR NATALEE & STEPHANY *********
Viva Peru!
a victory,yes,the battle not over.here’s the opinions and attitudes of arubans on this matter.they still need a good talking to.about human society.give them something to think about.if not,I garrantee it will happen over and over again.http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&ref=nf&gid=111232772225994#
Pearl,
What was the bank employee’s name.
Jerry
why protect him at all..he’s a criminal….!!!!He will never tell what happened to Natalee…!!
I do not recall at this moment, 125.
But I thought it was a woman, no?
There had been some talk on various circuits about all the deaths taking place in Aruba.
Does anyone wonder: WHERE IS THE UNITED STATES VICE-CONSUL TO ARUBA, WHO DISAPPEARED – in the fall of 2009 – in CURACAO?
WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM?
All that was found was his bloody clothing – ON THE BEACH.
WHERE IS HE, ARUBA?
DID YOU NO CORPSE, NO CASE HIM TOO?
Finally, karma is a bi–ch and has paid the bas—d his due although not soon enough.
The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio – Sunday, June 13th, 2010 – Special Guests: Clint Van Zandt, Diane Fanning, Jessica Taloney, Robin Sax & Blink from Blink on Crime
Listen tonight at 9 pm et
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Tonight Dana welcomes special guests:
1. Dr Clint Van Zandt, Retired FBI discussing the FBI and Joran Vandersloot Extortion Case
2. Author Diane Fanning discussing the Steve Nodine Case Murder and The Politician
3. WKRG TV Reporter Jessica Taloney on the Steve Nodine Case
4. Robin Sax on The Joran Vandersloot Confession
5. Blink from Blink on Crime will be discussing the the case of missing 7 year old Kyron Hormon in Oregon. Get the updates on this missing persons case and some bizarre circumstances in this case.
I have to remember not to drop the soap!
This is Karma Joran….the smiling guard.
If it’s true Joran had charts in the room of water currents …seems he may have done this before & knew what to look for to dump a body….but COULDN’T without papa Sloot’s help!
Maybe Natalie did hit her head on rocks with Joran’s help. Otherwise why all the rock painting & Paulus & Joran watched in his car watching them paint and cover up something. Maybe it was Natalie they hid her til they could dump her.
Stephany was probably lured to Joran’s room by
they were through gambling & he promised to show her info on his computer. She was a lesbian so it wasn’t for romance..but he tried to make it look like that to throw police off to the intentional robbery & reason he had to kill her to get her money.
Very creepy. Me thinks Paulus was in on the whole murder from the beginning. Maybe he had too much on his cronies and that’s why they protected him…didn’t want their own secrets out. Maybe they slipped him a little something in the locker room before the tennis game. There are supposed to be drugs that mimic heart failure.
He may have been having money problems, too. Seems like Anita and sons were left without much. She can’t even buy a ticket to Peru.
Paulus was up to no good. Yup, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
So he was partying with Natalee and his son the night she went missing? And Arubans let him get away with that? It all stinks. I hope his father can see him in his new digs. It will help with his eventual transition into hell.
Under that picture with his poor little face should read—MOMMIE!!!!
The Devil got what he deserved, a place where he can’t play games; with weaker minds.
Put him into the general population and let him see what it is like to be raped and maybe killed.
Who knows how many women he has raped and killed in his travels around the world.
Release him and he will kill again.
Sharon
~The Baby Boomer Queen~