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Co-workers are outraged at the return to work of Cathy Osborn, a registered nurse at Scripps Mercy Hospital. Cathy Osborn is registered nurse at Scripps Mercy in the behavioral health unit.
Cathy Osborn is the mother of John Albert Gardner III, the convicted sex offender and accused rapist and murderer of Chelsea King. John Albert Gardner III is also being looked into the possible connection with the murder of 14 year old Amber Dubois whose remains were just found last Saturday, March 6 in Pala, CA.
VIDEO from 10 News.
So why were co-workers upset with Cathy Osborn? Could it possibly be that Osborn had a sex offender son living with her and according to the California Sex Offender Registry, it shows him living elsewhere. It would appear that only the grandmother’s address was listed.
10News learned staff members at Scripps Mercy Hospital are upset about the mother of accused killer John Gardner returning to work. People are outraged about the fact that she allowed her son, John Albert Gardner III, to live with her after his release from prison for raping a teenaged neighbor and that he is now back in jail on murder charges.
Fellow employees have stated their concern with having Cathy Osborn back at work and the bad example that it sets for the hospital. The following was an email to 10News:
“Cannot tell you who I am for fear of being harassed, but his mother Cathy Osborn is going back to work at Scripps Mercy Hospital in behavioral health. She let her son live with her and had a key to her house and now is in a position of authority on a psychiatric unit where other sex offenders or psychiatric patients are placed based on her position … She knew he was a danger and never reported him. Her judgment could let other people out of a psychiatric facility that should not be. Staff do not respect her anymore and have to listen to her because she is in a position of authority. This is not right … Staff do not want to work with her and she is coming back to work.”
10News in San Diego, CA is also reporting on some rather bizarre and risque photos of Cathy Osborn that have surfaced. The pictures are of Cathy Osborn and a group calling themselves the Hash House Harriers running the hills around Lake Hodges and other trails. Of course this was information and pics that have been circulating on Scared Monkeys.net for quite some time in an attempt to draw comparisons, similarities and ties between the murders of Chelsea King and Amber Dubois.
Let’s get one thing perfectly clear, do we think that all Hash House Harriers act this way? I hope not. But, there is something odd that a site would take down all their pic when word got out that it was made public and being researched. People are allowed to do what they will in there own time. However, the issue here is that a mother, behavioral health nurse who should have known better harbored a sex offender son in the midst of this deviant behavior. First of all, how does a behavioral nurse not see the signs in her son for starters?
These are the tame pics
The second rather bizarre circumstance is how does a mother in Cathy Osborn have a convicted sex offender for a son like John Albert Gardner III who committed a lewd act on a 13-year-old girl, and act in such a deviant manner herself? Seriously, how does a behavior health nurse conduct herself in this manner? No wonder her co-workers are livid with her and feel that she has lost all credibility.
10News spoke with psychologist David Gruder, who said that”Children learn from modeling.” Dr Gruder is is correct on modeling, but wrong on whether there is no proof that Gardner ever saw his mother with the club or knew about it. Check out the following pic taken from one of the “hashing” websites showing what appears to be John Gardner in the kitchen carving turkey with another man. You mean Hashers were over for turkey, mashed potatoes and some stuffing and John Albert Gardner III didn’t know who they were or that mom was involved with them, REALLY?
From the looks of the too numerous pics that could never be posted due to nudity and the obscene nature of the pics, are we also supposed to believe that every one was on their best behavior as well for Thanksgiving Day dinner?
Pic from the following web site that has been conveniently taken down
10News spoke with psychologist David Gruder, who said, “Children learn from modeling. All of us learn from what’s modeled to us. Not from what we’re told.”
Gruder said any child exposed to such behavior would be impacted.
“If this is part of the environment that a child grows up in, then that child starts to believe as a child that this is part of what’s normal and that it’s OK for them to follow in those footsteps,” said Gruder.
There is no proof that Gardner ever saw his mother with the club or knew about it.
Another pic taken from the now down Hasher site from Thanksgiving 2009
The article also went on to say that a childhood friend of Gardner’s told a Lake Arrowhead (Riverside County) newspaper that as a teen Gardner admitted to having bipolar disorder and he had been sexually abused by a male member of his family.
“The responsibility for doing the damage is of course on the shoulders of those who did not parent this boy properly,” Gruder said.
Lastly, how damning is it that the were found in found where the skeletal remains of 14 year old Amber DuBois were found in Pala, CA a rural, rugged area in northern Dan Diego County, California. The very same place where there was a Hashers run.
So it just must be a coincidence that the Hasher run took place within miles of the location where Amber DuBois was found? Amber Dubois went missing on February 13, 2009. Hash House Harriers post there runs well in advance, see this web site for runs posted from now until October 2011.
Casino arrow shows where Hashers run started, arrow above where Amber’s body was located
It cannot be a coincidence that Chelsea King was abducted, raped and murdered while she went for a jog. No one is saying that the Hashers are involved whatsoever. The point is that we are dealing with a sexual predator in John Albert Gardner III who is a convicted sex offender, who is supposedly bi-polar and molested as a child.
Could John Albert Gardner III have been so sick and disturbed that he did this so the bodies could have been potentially found in spots where his mother’s leud, crude running group usually runs? Could he rapes and kill women and place the bodies on the trails where his mom’s running group either has been or plan to be as a sick game or way to get back at his mom? In any event, one still has to ask the question, how does a behavioral nurse whose job it is to deal with disturbed people not have seen the signs? Moreover, how does a mother of a convicted sex offender act in such a risqué manner and conduct herself in such a wild and sexual way in that club members including Osborn would party half-naked or completely naked after a run.? One might think if their son had the signs of a predator and was a sex offender they would not act in such a manner, especially if the sex offender lived with you.
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It is always those women that look like they could gnaw bark off an oak tree that want to flash you with a full muff. I am just not interested… and I most certainly don`t want it anywhere near my sliced turkey.
well, well, well..
First off, a HUGE kudos to Red, Klaas and Staff for this MOST excellent front page post. Stellar – just stellar work everyone.
And this is really what advocacy is all about. No one should be rewarded and returned to the prior position when they fail so miserably in their own family. How could anyone trust her or her advice or recommendations? Damaged goods. When one reaches a pinnacle in the mental health field we expect them to practice what they preach and don’t lecture others while their own house is an utter and unmitigated mess.
I now understand why “If you only knew” blew the servers in Southern California. No one likes to lose the gravy train or have a mad piece of ass on their hands. As I said – he doesn’t know anything.
Kudos again Red, Klaas and Staff – this is what makes SM the best and the preeminent site on the net. Much respect and many good years ahead. <>
Very well written. Logical theory. Why wouldn’t one be suspicious of this link between JAG and the environment that he has been exposed to (directly or indirectly)? What a sad situation.
3. donna
What is also very sad … this woman has influence over the vulnerable who she is entrusted to in her profession.
Janet
LMAO ….Carpe you win the prize for the post of the day!
Thank you Red, Klaas and everyone at SM. It is time to take this country back from the filth and deviant behavior that has become rampant in this country. Character counts, and we can see here where it may not have caused the original problem, it certainly had to contribute to it I am tired of hearing that what people do in their spare time has nothing to do with what they do in their work life. I call BS. What we do effects everyone else. I am proud to be here with the Monkeys, who are not afraid to tell the truth.
Great article! You say it as it is and I like that! We need to take our control back and stop enabling.
Thank you for standing up and telling it like it is. I am proud to be part of Scared Monkeys. We will not be fooled with smoke and mirrors.
Great job guys for bringing out the facts.
My opinion Serial killers have the same type of childhood.
Mother Osborn should be dismissed for aiding a child molester. Even if John was not her son, She knew it was not legal for John to live at that location. Cathy Osborn should look for another job NOT in mental health. YOUR NOT FIT FOR DUTY!
Gregg:
I agree! She is obviously NOT fit for duty! She sounds like a self-serving “over-sexed” slug to me. I hold her responsiable for the murders of these two young girls. She KNEW (or SHOULD have known) that a sociopatic pedophile CANNOT be “cured”…HOW CAN SHE LIVE WITH HERSELF? I would fire her ass in a heartbeat. Hopefully, some of the employees will sign petitions to get her ass away from the hospital!
John
PEDOPHILES/SOCIOPATHS cannot be “helped” or “cured”! They are a GRAVE DANGER to society, and should never, ever be released to “live among normal people”…keep them behind bars!!
If John Gardner were released today…another young girl would be slaughtered very quickly, and then another etc…
UNDERSTAND, CATHY OSBORN?? U R RESPONSIABLE FOR THE MURDER OF TWO YOUNG GIRLS, ALONG WITH YOUR PED/SOCIOPATHIC SON, JOHN GARDNER! I HOPE HE FRIES!!
Let’s get one thing straight when it comes to the Hashers, I could care less what you folks do. If running for beers and taking your clothes off and sitting on blocks of ice floats your boat … then so be it.
Would I do it? No. Do I think it’s ok to do, not for me. But then again, some folks would think post Rugby game antics were over the top, even though we pretty much kept our clothes on and there was no ice involved.
The part that is a little telling though is the fact that the Hashers site went under ground along with many things when this story went public.
That aside, this really is not so much about the Hashers as a whole as compared to the involvement of the parents of John Albert Gardner and the Hashers.
I am not quite sure how a parent justifies having a sex offender son who has been previously convicted and is now facing kidnapping, rape and murder charges for the Chelsea King case and being looked at into the kidnap and murder of Amber Dubois.
You son is a convicted sex offender and you partake in this kind of risque behavior? Seems a bit inappropriate if you ask me especially seeing that JAG was living with you. I am also a bit suspect that a behavioral nurse who deals with crazy people could not see the signs in her own son, even after he was a convicted sex offender. That is troubling.
BTW, I really hoped the parents told the authorities that a sex offender was living with them and that his old address of the grandmother was not the only address on file.
Imagine the horror though that JAG was living in the very Town House where he assaulted a teen that made his on the sex offender registry.
We are told in reports that JAG had referenced that he was sexually molested in the past by a family member.
Is it possible that JAG felt that his family never protected him and his way of getting even was to attack teens himself and leave them in areas that the Hashers ran it as a way of getting back at his parents? Hmm?
Could there have been a hatred in JAG festering and that the Hashers (because of parents involvement) was a road map to vent his anger?
It is completely inappropriate and beyond bizarre that a mom of a sex offender would conduct herself in this manner.
It is a free society and she can do what ever she wishes; however, that does not mean that there are not consequences to one’s actions. There were explicit pics put on a public site that I guess the folks don’t want the world to see anymore. Too late for that. I am sure LE has them all.
It is a bit to coincidental that the very areas where these Hashers ran are the same spots that remains were found and people were abducted by an individual who’s mom was a part of this group.
It is not saying that the Hashers are involved in these crimes what-so-ever; however, it does appear that there was a connection in JAG’s sick mind to involve it in his hate against women.
R
Uhhh, hopefully Cathy Osborn will be charged with aiding and abetting her RAPING, MURDERING SON!! Prior to her pending arrest, hopefully the hospital administrator will relief this MONSTER MOM of her official duties!!
((edit))
http://www.scripps.org/about-us__contact-us
JUSTICE FOR CHELSEA KING AND AMBER DUBOIS
_____________________________________________________
SM: It would be better to sign the petition for Chelsea’s law to keep these sex offenders behind bars (klaasend)
12.Scared Monkeys on March 14th, 2010 10:50 am
It is a free society and she can do what ever she wishes; however, that does not mean that there are not consequences to one’s actions.
R
+++++++++++
BINGO!!!
Do surgeons operate on their own family members? Do psychiatrist treat their own family members, or even more specific their own children? No. because they can’t approach their children objectively as they could a patient, they most likely can’t remove themselves emotionally.
If someone was a suicide prevention counselor and their child committed suicide would it be their fault? Was it their responsibility for not seeing the signs? What is going on now is a different situation but just think about it for a minute.
How is Cathy Osborn’s work history? Has she done a good job or a questionable job? Let her work performance and ethic speak for itself.
I agree that a parents influence, and lifestyle you grow up in can have a huge effect on the out come of your life.
My mom was going to University while I grew up, she shared the importance of a good education. She did not discipline with violence, so some punishment required copying a page from a dictionary and the having a random quiz to make sure the we learned something. She would also always talk about what we had done to get the consequence to also make sure that we learned from our mistakes.
My mom was compassionate she showed us who it felt good to help others.
I know value education and even enjoyed chemistry, microbiology, philosophy, and well passed statistics. I work with special need children and love it.
I think that my mother has had a positive influence in helping me become me.
The greatest rage that a child who has been abused takes to adulthood is not for the abuser but for those he/she believes failed to protect him.
JAG could be acting out on this hatred by “marking” his mother’s running trail with his victims.
If it isn’t a crime to allow a registered sex offender to live in your residence without reporting it to law enforcement, it should be.
Are Gardner’s Parents Liable In King Case?
March 5, 2010
SAN DIEGO — There are questions concerning the parents of John Gardner and what responsibility — if any — they have in the Chelsea King case.
Gardner registered as a sex offender in Lake Elsinore, but he was living at his parents’ house in Rancho Bernardo. He was not registered there, and 10News has received a number of calls and e-mails from viewers asking if the parents could be charged with harboring a known sex offender.
According to former district attorney Paul Pfingst, Gardner’s parents can’t be charged.
“Mr. Gardner has the responsibility of registering with law enforcement. Not his mother, not his father. They are not responsible if he failed to fulfill that obligation, even if they knew it,” Pfingst told 10News.
More:
http://www.10news.com/news/22758580/detail.html
Does everyone think that JAG’s Mother should be responsible? Really? That is ludicrous! This guy is 30 YEARS OLD. He is an adult and responsible for his own life for a very long time. When do we get to have our own lives despite having children. Why would anyone think this lady would know he was going to do something like that? These guys are extremely secretive with their actions and behaviors. And she is a Mom! We get into denial sometimes to be able to live with ugliness sometimes. I think she is actually completely devastated. It would be a miracle if she doesn’t take her own life because of the hatred towards here for something she didn’t even do!! When do we get to have our children fly on there own? Why should she be stuck watching a 30 year old man? She probably can’t even stand him on a certain level. Why would her behavior NOW have anything to do with a 30 year old? I feel so sorry for her honestly. I have NO DOUBT she is devastated. Give the lady a break!! she should leave that particular job though….for sure.
Virginia
You are right! JAG is a grown man. This is the reason that his mother should not have been abetting her son in his decision to manipulate the Sex Offender Registry system.
Most children are influenced during their formative years in an environment where the legal and moral boundaries established by a civilized society are respected. The lifestyle embraced by Cathy implies a foundation of entitlement is where JAG drew from in his life choices. In other words … established boundaries could be disregarded without consequences.
That being said … did JAG know right from wrong? Of course he did and … must accept personal responsibility for his choice to rape and murder Chelsea King.
JAG is finally learning lessons in regard to accountability for his choices … lessons if learned at a younger age may imply that Chelsea King would still be pursuing her dreams into the future and … her family would not be living a nightmare from which there is no awakening.
Janet
I agree! Virginia on march 15th
Focus the hate on the evil actions
and our energy on preventions like GPS for life.
All the people full of hate and revenge just stop, really stop and think.
None of us know JAG’s mother. You all would have done something different than her right?
But, you don’t even know what she has or has not done
I heard this saying but dint know who to quote
“Master I am angry and think bad thoughts everyday”
the master say’s every time you get angry hammer a nail into a wall.
In the beginning there were many naisl per day, but after meditating for some time, the day came when no nail need to be hammered.
Excited the man ran and told the mast “Today I did not need to hammer a nail.”
The master said “Good. Now each day you go without hammering a nail, take one out.”
It was not long before the man again ran excitedly to the master..”All of the nail have been removed.”
the master smiled and said yes, but look the hole’s are still there.
Also….consider this. How do you know he was living with his mother? that could just be bad press and people looking for anyone to blame for the dispicable acts JAG has done. Maybe he came down for the weekend. And….where do you think these guys are supposed to live? They have to live somewhere. Maybe the only place he could go was to his Mom. What is she supposed to do? I am sure she tried to be a good Mom. Doesn’t mean she could have prevented this.
Most of these sick guys were abused by another male family member. THAT person is the one to blame. The male family member who hurt JAG when he was a kid. I want to know who HE is!!! He is more to blame than anyone else. Including his parents. And what about Dad? Why aren’t you blaming Dad and only Mom????
Be sure of one thing. I hate pedophiles. Always have and always will. But I don’t blame his Mom. I feel for her. Her life is now ruined also. And his sisters? 4 of them. I guarantee you they are affected and hurting. No purpose is served by attacking his Mom.
And who are these people who purport to know this womans lifestyle? Who cares what she does? How would that have anything to do with her 30 year old kid? It is so ignorant as far as I can see.
I searched for Amber Dubois. Were you out taking your time to actually assist looking for these two beautiful girls? If not then you should be keeping your opinions to yourself. You did nothing either!!!! Leave his parents out of it. I doubt they ever condoned his behavior. His Mom probably tried to get him to take medication and he wouldn’t do it. That is very common. That’s where JAG made a big mistake. And I do believe his is a very self centered person in the extreme.
somer
I do believe that you would be hammering nails into the wall if Chelsea King was your daughter and … you would be justified.
Loyalty to your daughter … love for your daughter … would dictate that you would not accept passively the despicable wrongdoing against her person … the despicable wrongdoing that deprived her of life.
Janet
Somer
Within the past week in our community … a beloved dog who was known to be unpredictable by his owner in regards to biting was let out of the yard for a ” just a few minutes” to do his thing.
A jogger was bit and required medical attention. The incident could have been a lot more serious if it was not for a passerby.
Somer … who was to blame? The owner? The dog?
My position is that both the owner and dog must face consequences for the suffering of this jogger.
Janet
#22
Have you finished with your nervous breakdown,
or shall we expect more to come?
Not sure how to quote, sorry. Virgina posted above.
“where do you think these guys are supposed to live? They have to live somewhere. Maybe the only place he could go was to his Mom. What is she supposed to do? I am sure she tried to be a good Mom. Doesn’t mean she could have prevented this.”
As far as I am concerned they can spend every day of their sorry lives behind bars or on some island far away from our children.
What was she supposed to do? Parenting doesn’t end at the age of 18.
I’d like to lock them all up and throw away the key.
They should all live in jail. But that isn’t realistic. At least not at this stage of the game.
I still say a 30 year old is responsible for their own behavior.
A relative – male – apparently molested him when he was a kid. Why doesn’t that bother anyone? I think who ever touched JAG should join him in jail for life. I believe it is that persons fault and not his Mother.
Parenting doesn’t end at 18 ……but responsibility for them DOES. Period.
My comments were not intended to condone the horrific evil that was committed, nor to say that JAG should not be punished to the fullest if/when found guilty.
I was simply reminding people to focus on the real culprit.
More nervous breakdowns to come.
Cathy Osborn knew her cold blooded, murdering son was suppose to be registered as a sex offender, no matter where he lived…even if it was with her! She should have felt obligated to protect others by reporting him or making sure the authorities knew where he lived. This woman is no better than Cindy Anthony!!
“I’d like to lock them all up and throw away the key.
They should all live in jail. But that isn’t realistic. At least not at this stage of the game.”
one strike and they are out of here, nothing unrealistic about it. Sexual offenders cannot be cured, so keep them the hell away from my kids.
I disagree about a parents responsibility ending, I know mine wont.
30.Susan on March 15th, 2010 9:16 pm
Cathy Osborn knew her cold blooded, murdering son was suppose to be registered as a sex offender, no matter where he lived…even if it was with her! She should have felt obligated to protect others by reporting him or making sure the authorities knew where he lived. This woman is no better than Cindy Anthony!!
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BINGO!!!
If Cathy had reported her son to his probation officer rather than abetting him in his deception regarding the Sex Offenders’ Registry … maybe Chelsea King’s life would have been spared and … her son would not be facing the death penalty.
Doing what is right is not always easy but … it is right.
Janet
Completely agree with you Janet.
#32 – Tamikosmom
You are right, doing what is right is not always easy, but as a society and as parents, we still have morale obligations we should be willing to keep.
…and speaking of Gardner’s probation officer, I wonder why his wasn’t doing their job by keeping a better, closer eye on him?? Our justice system is (and has been) in total chaos for such a very long time
I’ve often said, there’s NO SUCH THING AS JUSTICE, especially for innocent victims.
#31 – tracygirl
I agree with you 100%. My personal responsibility as a parent will NEVER end! Both of my children are grown and out of the house, but I can guarantee you I still take parenting very seriously. I still hold their feet to the fire, when needed. I also try to stay as involved in their lifes (without stepping over the lines and being too nosey, etc.), but give them plenty of room to live their lifes, make their mistakes, etc. If they do make a mistake, I voice my opinion, but leave it to them to fix it. I don’t or wouldn’t pay their way out of anything, especially if it involved getting in trouble with the law.
it is no coincident about the hashers run being a mile from where ambers dubois body was found.they should go back and research hashers run events from the past 2 years and see if there were any sexual assaults around that timeline. why would a registred nurse invite a registerred sex offender to these naked events,,,,how inappropriate, being around all those wild naked people seems to arouse the killer in gardner, how could his mother stimulate his appetite like that..thats disgusting and poor judgement on the mothers behalf.yuck!!!
A kid turns 18 they are responsible for their own actions. Otherwise where do you draw a line? Is an 80 yr old woman responsible for whatever her 50 yr old son does? 60/30? 50/20? What about adult siblings? Are they any less culpable? Should they have known?
Whether she did or didn’t know about him registering if he was living with her remains to be seen. If criminal or negligent I am sure will get flushed out in the press or investigations. I would think if she had any culpability the police would have surely addressed it by now.
I think of my own Grandma. 4 kids. Three are successful to varying degrees (one being my mom) But I do have that one blacksheep uncle who is the second oldest now sitting in prison. He had a long track record of run-ins with the law. Drugs, alcohol, stealing and crap. Always running with a very bad crowd. Locked up again being over 50 yrs old. Based on many postings of those on this site Grandma should be locked up despite her own personal success and that of 3 other adult children doing well. I remember in Junior High we had a teacher who was the State Teacher of the year but it was common knowledge among many students, and police, her son was a drug dealer.
As far as hash groups having any connection to crimes based on locales. They have been going all over southern California several times a week for well over 20 years. There are almost no common trails or outdoor recreational areas they HAVEN’T been. All the groups in SOCAL combined do over 400 runs in a year. Using that logic I am sure you could also draw a connection with California wildfires and hashers.
A lot of comments here about how JAG was surrounded by this “deviant” lifestyle yet not a single image or account of his actually participating or being present in any of those events with the exception of the Thanksgiving pictures. When looked at as a singular event there is absolutely nothing in any of those images I have yet to see anything that looks any different than a typical Thanksgiving dinner.
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SM: Just because some one is an adult does not mean parenting ends. Especially when you have a sex offender living under your roof. Sorry.
R
Why haven’t the police arrested Cathy Osborn?
Why? Why? Why?
Sick! Sick! Sick!
When an adult child is arrested and convicted as a sex offender (and after being released, commits additional offenses that they are ultimately arrested for and end up in jail again) it’s easy for people outside of the situation to also blame the parents of this sex offender. I don’t know one way or the other how culpable Osborn is in the King/Dubois murder cases, it really could go either direction and IMO is an issue that isn’t as important as the fact that at least we can take some comfort in knowing that he’s confessed to both murders and will be in jail without the chance of parole EVER. Given the fact that child molesters are hands down the most hated of all criminals by every other inmate in a facility, and those inmates have a tendency to administer their own kind of justice on the inside, he could die for his crimes after all.
How many parents of drug users have been blind to their child’s problem – as obvious to outside people as it may be? This is just one example of parents being too close to a situation involving their children to recognize signs, whether it’s because they just don’t want to or are too busy or whatever reason, they just don’t see it until it’s too late/reached catastrophic proportions. Most parents want to believe that their child will overcome addiction, learn from the consequences of a crime, and be capable of changing for the better – sometimes that want is so great that they’re naive about the facts in matters that point to how unlikely a reformation is. Additionally, for all we know, this mother was terrified of her own child – he could be a monster in more than one way behind closed doors.
A final note; every time someone tries to use bipolar disorder as something they can hide behind to explain their truly despicable actions, it makes me sick. I know several people who have the condition and would never harm another soul (though at times they may present a risk of harming themselves.). Being prone to commit sexual attacks and having bipolar disorder do not go hand in hand, and such a tendency is not a common problem. The people suffering from a mental illness have a difficult enough time dealing with the social stigma attached to these disorders, they don’t need to have society deciding that the label of “possible sexual predator” should be thrown in too.
I was a drug abuser and have been incarcerated myself.Not for sex crimes however.I have personally witnessed them housed and I have to say…this piece of garbage will be safe.He will be put in PC in a “special prison” for sex offenders.Thank GOD that our judicial system is realizing these pieces of sh*t are not capable of rehabilitation.You can not be rehabilitated if you’ve never been habilitated in the first place.Whether his mama abused him or not…he is what he is.Scum.And he will die as scum.
Have you ever met someone who worked in a mental ward? Those people are every bit as crazy as the patients. This woman had no boundaries. She was probably screaming and yelling at home all the time. She probably did all kinds of crazy things and god knows the kind of guys she probably brought home. Can you imagine growing up like that? Most serial rapists and killers are created, not born. You have to make them that way. His mother created a criminal mindset in John that John could not deal with. If you want to create a criminal like John, be nice to your kid one day and then the next day scream and yell at him all day…rinse and repeat…I guarantee you’ll create a criminal.
gss…I agree with you…to a point.However,no matter what,this “person” was a known sex offender.Whether his mom was(or is)nuts or not,SHE didn’t murder anyone.Should she be scrutinized by her fellow human beings,absolutely.Her life is ruined too.But not NEARLY as bad as her son’s victims.
protective custody won’t matter if he pisses off any of the guards while he’s locked up for the rest of his life (however long or short that may wind up being). He is in california after all, and there have been several incidents where the corrections officers have either purposely acted in ways so that other inmates could access information about another inmate, simply looked the other way, or took their sweet time before breaking up a fight/attack (the last one is usually explained away by stating that one or both of the inmates had a weapon and the guard feared for their own safety and the safety of their coworkers, a statement with the ring of truth.)
How many serial killers do any of us personally know? Even if half of us could honestly say that we knew one person who turned out to be a serial killer, we still wouldn’t have the authority to claim that we know how they became such, or how to distinguish them from the rest of society. There are experts around the world who study serial killers and sex offenders, they come up with various profiles and rating scales but those aren’t developed until after the person is caught, while law-enforcement agencies rely on these only to discover that they don’t necessarily apply to the next one they’ve got on the loose.
“Probably” can be interchanged with “possible”, but none of us truly know whether Gardner’s mother screamed or yelled at him all the time and allowed horrible things and horrible choices in men to have access to herself and her son. Likewise, we don’t know if she simply wasn’t around enough because of work and her extracurricular interests, and had no time or interest in her son. The woman was willing to appear before the judge in 2000 asking for leniency and describing how sorry her son was, and she did get a psychiatrist for her son to back their side up. Maybe she didn’t want to see what bailing him out (metaphorically as well as literally) of the first incident would result in a much bigger and harm more families when Gardner struck again? Maybe she thought that her own son should be handled like all of the other patients she deals with – all business when dealing with their treatment and getting them out the door by the time their insurance lapses. We just don’t know, and something tells me that she’s not going to talk about it for quite some time if she ever does.
Sassy:
If he was diagnosed early on as having bipolar disorder, when was that and was he put on meds and what kind? His mom being a psych nurse tells me there is a possibility he was put on psych drugs early that may have helped or may have put him on the road to extreme violence, as many psych drugs have done to others. Zoloft, for example, has been implicated in suicides and homocides, especially if given to bipolar patients who are kicked into psychosis by that drug. Why was he first put on psych drugs and when? Did he show some bad signs that could have been helped with a better environment but he was drugged instead? He said in his 48 hr. interview that he was on 16 drugs…. maybe this is a bigger item in this story than the media has shown? Going on and off the meds suddenly can also cause psychosis. How early was this guy drugged? That is where I would look to start to undetstand his mom’s involvment good or bad.
News flash: Cathy Osborn was not arrested because she committed no crime. I love how everyone is ganging up on a woman who had no idea that her son had killed anyone and giving a pass to her hulking,murderous
son. And people here who can’t even spell are saying that Osborn is unfit for duty when they’d be hard-pressed to say what her duties are. All of you are the same kind of witch hunters who ganged up to give negative Amazon reviews to Caitlin Rother’s book about the murders. Ignorant mob.
BTW, when John Gardner felt himself in danger of having an episode, there were no inpatient beds for him, BECAUSE he was a registered sex offender. Tell me that makes sense. Those two girls might still be alive today but for that stupid policy. And though he violated his parole umpteen times after his 2000 conviction,no one in law enforcement lifted a finger to send him back to jail.