RSSWhy We Love DILBERT: Bailout Hearing … Fact Finding in Aruba … Political Hypocrites
Why DILBERT gets the bailout right:
Finally, it takes a comic strip like DILBERT to provide truth in the media. Who else finds it interesting that of all the places to travel in the world that DILBERT would equate with hypocrites, Scott Adams chooses Aruba.
DILBERT AND THE BAIL OUT HEARINGS – HYPOCRITES
A satirical comic is worth a thousand words, maybe even ten thousand words. The above DILBERT masterpiece could not have stated the political hypocrisy any better. The fact that there was an Aruba reference just adds to its greatness. The fact that Aruba’s referenced with bailout and hypocrisy is no coincidence.
The sheeple in America want to have government take care of them. Do you really, at what cost? Barak Obama believes the government is the only answer to the economic crisis and not hard working America. After trillions of dollars are spent on obvious pork barrel spending at the future tax payers expense what are we left with?
Do you as Americans really want to be help hostage and beholden to people who have actually caused the problem? I have stated this since the economic issues began. Congress, the Senate, the President all act like they care and are appalled at what corporate America has done … yet they are all the biggest hypocrites.
When it comes to waste, our government makes corporate America pale in comparison. We need to look no further than a stimulus plan that was supposed to hump start our economy yet is filled with nothing more than typical airmarks and pork barrel wish list spending projects. Do we really want to do an examination of government spending? Let’s see how these people live, travel and conduct themselves on the back of the tax payers.
Can Americans not see the obvious and that maybe the very people trying to tell you now how to fix the problem are the very people responsible? Where was the banking oversight? Where was the SEC oversight? There are committees that do this. As politicians rail on corporate America for poor business plans, bad strategy and wasteful spending … The US Government needs to only look the the mirror when it comes to such issues.
Do we really believe that Congress, the Senate and the President are doing the work of the people? Or are they doing the work of their political agenda?
Posted February 26, 2009 by Scared Monkeys Aruba, Business, Corruption, Fun, Government, Politics | 83 comments |
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Greetings:
Nancy Pelosi never looked better.
Aruba: No One Ever Dies Here!
Meet your 90,000 new, non-murdering friends!
http://www.avclub.com/articles/aruba-no-one-ever-dies-here,24295/
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Screw ARUBA, island of death and deception! LOL
aruba sucks what else can you say except aruba sucks worse than anything that ever sucked before !!!
Latest news about the crash of the Turkish Boeing 737 at Amsterdam: 9 people died: 5 from Turkey and 4 persons from the USA. http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3345732/__53_Nederlanders_in_ramp-toestel__.html?p=7,1
I’m still of the opinion that what happened to Natalee is an international crime. The people to contact are the State Department and the United Nations.
It’s good to see that what happened in Aruba is still in the hearts and minds of American journalists. If, only, we could change the world.
The main point of the cartoon isn’t, I think, Aruba so much as the idea that any congressman going there is on a junket, pure and simple. The same sort of thing that they vilify the business community for … not to mention the “urgent need” for President Obama to fly to Denver to sign a bill.
By the way, it looks like the latest version of Camelot is meeting some internal troubles; not all is happy around the Round Table:
Dem spat delays mortgage relief bill in House
Associated Press
WASHINGTON – A dispute among House Democrats stalled legislation Thursday to let bankruptcy judges reduce the principal and interest rate on mortgages for debt-strapped homeowners.
The measure, backed by President Barack Obama, is the most controversial part of a broader housing package that had been expected to pass the House this week.
It hit a snag after a group of moderates expressed concerns in a closed-door meeting of House Democrats about how the bill would affect homeowners who are still struggling to make their mortgage payments.
The banking industry has lobbied hard against the measure, mounting a successful multimillion-dollar effort last year to kill it.
This year, mortgage industry players who are scrambling to narrow the scope of the measure to reduce its potential cost for banks have won some key concessions. House Democrats agreed to limit the measure to existing loans made before the bill is enacted and to borrowers who can show they tried other ways of modifying their home loans before resorting to bankruptcy, among other changes.
But banks want to go much further, restricting the bill only to subprime or other exotic loans.
Centrist House Democrats who have been working closely with the financial services industry to scale back the bill balked at supporting it on Thursday after a news report suggested that Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the lead sponsor of the bankruptcy measure in the Senate, was willing to limit it only to subprime mortgages. The Senate is expected to take up the legislation within two weeks.
In the House, Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., the head of the business-minded New Democrat Coalition, raised concerns during the private session that the measure omitted help for homeowners who aren’t staring at bankruptcy but are buckling under burdensome mortgage payments.
House leaders said they had postponed a vote until Tuesday to give Democrats time to meet with Obama’s housing secretary, Shaun Donovan, about how the measure fits with his housing plan.
“There’s an equity question here,” said Rep. Ed Perlmutter, D-Colo., another member of the coalition. “The discussion has got to be, what’s the benefit to the guy next door who is struggling to pay the bills, is paying the bills and isn’t filing for bankruptcy?”
Democratic skeptics are worried “that this could be too hard on the banks,” said Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the Judiciary Committee chairman who sponsored the bill.
Consumer advocates and most Democrats regard the measure as crucial to slowing the rapid rate of foreclosures. They say it’s the only way to force mortgage holders — known as loan servicers — to take steps to help homeowners stay in their homes.
The mortgage industry contends, however, that the measure will impose steep and unpredictable costs on its companies, which will be forced to raise fees and interest rates for borrowers. Opponents, including most Republicans, call it the “cram-down.”
Separately, Donovan told senators Thursday that limiting the measure to loans that have already been made should alleviate concerns that lenders would be forced to charge higher interest rates to compensate for the additional risk of a potential “cram-down.”
“The idea is not to have an impact on lenders that are out making loans today,” Donovan said.
In the House, the bankruptcy measure is part of a broader housing plan that also would raise the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation’s borrowing authority and take other steps to prevent foreclosures. It contains several sweeteners for the mortgage industry designed to prod servicers to allow struggling homeowners to modify or refinance their home loans to bring down their monthly payments.
(end of article)
So the ‘Blue Dog’ moderate Democrats are beginning to have second thoughts. If they were the “other party,” charges of stalling the government would be flying left and right.
Just like Casey Anthony (IT’S ALL ABOUT HER), it’s all about Congress, the Senate, and the President, not about what is best for the USA as a whole as it should be.
Congress, the Senate, and the President are only interested in their on personal hidden agendas. They certainly aren’t working for the American people nor have they in long time.
By the way, I like the Dilbert Aruba cartoon…LMAO! Too cute
BOYCOTT ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS TIL HELL FREEZES OVER!!
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
My interpretation of the reference to Aruba is obviously different than that of the rest of you. If anything, Aruba is depicted in a positive way by the cartoonist.
Well, I think the fact that it makes a point about a fact-finding ‘mission’ speaks volumes. In my way of thinking, it’s like the guest speaker is making a point about some failings on their part in using that as an excuse to go there. Knowing what we know about the outcome of all those fact-finding trips, especially, involving the Dutch; it makes a point… a good one in my opinion. You mention Aruba to anyone and the first thing they think about is Natalee.
Hopefully, we had a lot to do with that.
I know Richard did!
Good to see you back…
#8
Hey Rat Balls!
Wazzzzzzupppppp big baby?
The Natalee Holloway Movie is almost here.April 19th. I watch alot of LMN network. The shelf life of these movies seems to last for ever. This network will keep Natalee’s story fresh for years. As does SM. Natalee’s story will be seen over and over for a very long time. Those who see this [and there are many] as another girl gone missing will soon see things diffrently. What Aruba has done here is a travesty. The officials of Aruba have gone to great lengths to protect Joron Vandersloot and his two buddies,as well as his dad. One day justice will prevail. I just know it will. Beth Holloway is a very special mom. I know this because I know Beth. Beth has felt great pain while making travel safe for other teens. She will stop at nothing,I seem to remember she made that very clear early on. I would like to thank ALL who have supported Beth,Dave,Matt,Jugg and the rest of the family. There are too many to mention. We all know who we are. I think it would really be cool one day if we could all meet. Beth we love you and will always support you. How close is Heaven. Heaven is near. Now it’s time to plug the movie. Buckle Aruba,this ride just started. The ride will not be a smooth one.
yeah, lets take the bankers advice on how to fix things
#8, Put the crack pipe down.
When one references a destination of travel of people who are hypocrites … that is not a positive thing.
DILBERT has a past history of using Aruba in a negative connotation , FYI.
R
#12 Dolf,
You have missed the point completely.
It would be like a person with an eating disorder going to Hannibal Lecter for eating advice.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102926/
R
#13, I disagree. In the cartoon, Aruba was portrayed as a place for a carefree vacation; nothing more, nothing less. The joke was that it was irresponsible for a member of a Congressional committee to be flying to Aruba on a private jet. But, as far as the island itself is concerned, the portrayal was actually positive.
Whether you agree with me or not, you have to admit that the cartoon clearly did not portray Aruba as dangerous or corrupt or the type of place that people should avoid when they travel.
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SM: You actually have no idea what you are talking about.
It is being portrayed where hypocritical, corrupt politicians go off to vacation. Water seeks its own level.
I know satire is a difficult form of communication, try and comprehend its deeper meaning.
Positive, lol … run along and go ask the AHATA for your check now.
Earth to the satire challenged … when a name is brought up within the contextual confines of a satirically piece that is negative, that ain’t a good thing. It is not meant to be positive. Please do not embarrass yourself.
R
lol@Red
accounting joke:
on the right, there is nothing right
on the left, there is nothing left
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SM: Personally Dolf … I believe in a pox on both their houses.
It has been so long since these people cared about “We the People”. They have no idea what it means to even hold a real job. Is it any wonder how they messed up an economy and spend.
I am a firm believer in TERM LIMITS so these clowns have to go back to the real world and live with the choices that they made. I bet their voting records would be much different.
R
“R,” we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I saw Aruba being portrayed as an enjoyable place to go for a vacation, which was an irresponsible thing for a Congressman to do while he was ostensibly on a fact-finding mission. Nothing negative about it at all. I don’t have to probe into the “deeper meaning” of the cartoon to see something that isn’t there.
I think the cartoon actually speaks volumes about the mainstream mentality regarding Aruba as a vacation destination; that is, that Aruba is a viable and enjoyable place to go for a good time.
(klaasend)
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SM: Guess you missed this Dilbert from June 2006. Gives you an idea how the cartoonist feels about Aruba (Fecalruba)
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub6_022109/Fecalruba.png
Carpe- so gooooood to see you!
AYFIT-Thank you for your lovely comments. Beth is amazing and she is so loved by many..I cant wait for this movie to come out..
LIERUBA is already hurting..and has been for almost 4 years now..but like you said they need to buckle up as the scariest part of the ride is just beginning…WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE THE SPORTER OUT…
#17- Thanks for that Red…hahahahahahha..so what does the dotratc think now…hahahhahahahaha please make that a front page post…I love it FECALRUBA…hahahahahahahaha
#19, thanks for asking about me. Actually, I think that nearly-three year old “Dilbert” was on SM’s front page; I seem to recall seeing it here. I contacted the cartoonist back then and he assured me that he was not making any reference to Aruba (I didn’t believe him). At any rate, he never made any more “Fecalruba” references in his strip.
His latest, unambiguous reference to Aruba a few days ago certainly shows Aruba in a positive light – that is, as a desirable place to go for a good time (while supposedly on a fact-finding mission – hence the joke).
#20, roflmfao, dotratc, you probably think obama is going to save us all, too.
Yeah Rat,
Aruba is a great place to go to be murdered by the Vandersloot and Kalpoes, have your body disposed of, and your family harrassed by drug dealers,homeless people, and locals.
You forgot about those things already?
I also did not forget the part… that you are
on Aruba Tourism payroll…
… or the fact that your sorry fat ass stood
in line at a book store with an Aruba shirt on
to get an autograph from Beth Holloway.
Pretty low.
Then again, we have learned to expect
that from Aruba. Say hi to Lewis Black
for me!
If some of you who remember Aruba think back a few months…a popular Chicago columnist did a column about some Chicago politicians, Posner, and trips to Aruba…What really goes on in Aruba? Does it stay in Aruba?
Love your post at #14…
Those same people that you mention Aruba to, also, are aware of the religious practices of the Arawak and the Carribe Indian tribes.
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For those that are interested you can read the U.S. State Departments Annual Reports on line, to learn about the rabid corruption that exists in Aruba. And it doesn’t stop there, for we know through reading these reports there are countless crimes committed against humanity in Aruba.
International Human Trafficking
Drug Trafficking
Money Laundering
and
Legalized Prostitution
Combined into what is known as
‘Sex Tourism’
All under a protective umbrella… A corrupt government that is not only complacent when it comes to crime, but in many cases are involved in them, invested in them and promote them while selling an image of a ‘Happy Island’ to non-suspecting tourists.
Ayfit:
I can’t wait until the movie is complete and I hope it plays over and over, again. We don’t need anymore of our children caught in that web of deception, ever, again.
All my best to Beth. Again, if there is anything that I can do to help in any way… I’m here.
20- in your wildest dreams I wouldnt inquire about you…you are the lowest of the low…take your money from the devil and be gone…Karma is a real itch, and one day you will get yours….
#24, have you ever done any research about the history and culture of Arawaks? The Arawaks were widely known as peaceful, spiritual people. They were, of course, also the original inhabitants of Aruba and their ancestors still make up the majority of the population on the island.
Oh, and one more thing; I checked out the State Department web site and I didn’t see any of the horrible atrocities that you said I would. I did see that the State Department has issued a formal warning about traveling to Mexico but Aruba was considered a safe, peaceful and stable destination.
Of course, I meant to say that the Arawaks’ descendants, not ancestors, make up the majority of the population on Aruba.
Peaceful, spiritual, and stable.
…and by peaceful, spiritual, and stable…
he actually means: corpse abuse, rape, and murderous mob rule.
Ya see, it is all in the way you translate words
in Rape-Ruba. They think just like we do, they
just do it f’n BACKWARDS!
What Aruba should do for the new ad campaign
is show a tv commercial where they take Anita Van der sloot and Nadira Kalpoe 5 miles out to sea
and tie cinderblocks around their necks and push
them off the Tattoo Party boat into the drink.
I would call it the “Eradication of the Wombs of Death” campaign! Guaranteed to pack ‘em in by
the plane and bus loads!
Dotratc:
Yes, I have done extensive research into the Arawak culture, exclusively. On the contrary, I found that their history was not so peaceful. In Christopher Colombus’ writings; he, first, said that the Arawak were peaceful people and left some sailors behind on the island of Aruba, only to find that they were gone when he returned.
During the years of slavery, Aruba was an island that was used by the Masons to break-in African slaves before shipping them to America. They were beaten badly to succumb. The ones that didn’t learn to succumb were given over to the Arawak to be used in their rituals.
Upon reading that the islands’ inhabitants reported their religion to be Catholic, I researched into the journals and reports issued by the missionaries. There was a final report written in the mid 1900′s by the Vatican that stated that in spite of the Church’s efforts to cleanse the island of its’ ritualistic worship, they were unsuccessful in converting people from practicing their Ancestors’ religion. Even though some had converted to Catholicism, they would, still, revert to practicing magic, Demon worship and human-sacrificing.
#27:
It’s funny that you should say that – because when I first learned about the Arawak, people from Aruba would come on line to state that there are no more Arawak on the island, in spite of the fact that the Prime Minister, himself, stated that he was ‘proud’ to be an Arawak. Obviously, this is a secret that the Aruban people don’t want the world to know. But the history of Aruba and the Arawak Nation is available in libraries all over the world… if we take the time to look.
In conclusion, the Arawak, as well as the Carribe, another human-sacrificing tribe, are found to be in numerous areas in and around the Caribbean… even today.
Nite…
P.S.
I would also say that, even, today there are strong ties between the Masons and the Arawak and their names appear together in several writings. The Masons were mentioned, specifically, in some information I found about Baal worship which is an ancient religion spoken of in the Bible where children were offered up as a sacrifice to the gods. I posted a link to it a few weeks ago.
Dotratc, if you, truly, love Aruba; you must plea to your people, not me.
Good-Night…
I will reveal one more finding and that is that the Masons are a secret society that ‘believes’ in slavery.
Think about it…
Isn’t that what ‘International Human Trafficking’ is all about?
Bless~
#29, Arawaks never practiced cannibalism, Columbus never set foot on Aruba, and Aruba was never a center for slave trading, so your research is obviously flawed. Baal worship, of course, would have been completely unknown to all of the indigenous peoples of the New World. Just to clarify one more point, the last pure blooded Arawak on Aruba died in the 1840′s but their descendents comprise the largest ethnic majority on the island to this day.
People of South America, Central America and Mexico have all experienced the loss of loved ones due to these offerings of their virgins to the gods. It is written about in their history, as well. Obviously, one is practicing cannibalism when they drink the blood of a virgin, offer the heart of their victim to the gods and allow the priest to partake of the flesh, until he gets his full.
You say that the last pure-blooded Arawak died in 1840. Is it not true that there were many marriages between the Arawak and the Caribe? There are many writings about this and the rule that was practiced, in that, it was the woman of the family who decided upon the religion to be practiced in the home… one of those practices was to tie iron to the head of boy babies, in an attempt to cause their foreheads to be flat, stunting the growth of the frontal lobe. But, what you’re saying is that none of this sounds familiar to you, right?
32- whatever the case may be the only ppl living on SATANS Volcanic ashe are EVIL animals that dont care that a loving kind gentle soul was murdered there, and thats the bottom line IDIOT….
At this point, I’d like to add that the Arawak, as well as the Caribe Indians pride themselves on being expert navigators of the sea. In fact, they considered themselves kings of the sea. Many wars between the two tribes were fought at sea. Later, during the exploration of the New World, numerous ships were ambushed with people being either killed or taken hostage.
And the Masons? Their activity in the slave trade is very well documented, not only in the case of Aruba but in Antigua, as well. The existence of this ‘secret’ society has never been argued and it is known to, still, exist today.
We know that human trafficking exists. We, also, know that modern-day slavery exists. It was because of the reports of the number of women and children who are missing from various countries in Central and South America that I first became interested in this subject. Ancient cultures in that region of the world practiced human sacrificing as a regimen to their gods… for centuries. The Aztec as well as the Mayan Indians practiced these things. And, now, because of hours of research; I believe it is safe to say that these rituals are still being practiced, today. But, it is the practice of human trafficking that is most troubling, as it becomes evident that there is an underground world in which human slavery exists, right under our noses.
Good Day…
#33, No, Arawaks and Caribs never interbred. They were mortal enemies. In fact, the reason that the Arawaks migrated from South America into the Caribbean Basin in the first place was to escape Carib persecution. Arawaks did inter-marry and breed with both Spanish and Dutch settlers of Aruba. This is the genesis of the racial/genetic type that is the quintessential Aruban today.
FYI, Arawaks never practiced any kind of human or animal sacrifices. Nor did they tie iron to the foreheads of their babies. Where in the world did you come up with those theories?
There is no historical record of a Masonic society on Aruba and, I repeat, Aruba was never involved in the slave trade. Aztecs and Maya never got within 1,000 miles of Aruba. Again I have to ask, where in the world did that stuff come from?
As far as human trafficing is converned, yes, it is an issue on present day Aruba. Illegal aliens are smuggled onto the island because Aruba’s economy is a lot better than the economy of other territories in the region. But for some reason, I don’t think that is what you are talking about.
What are these boys running from,
with the permission of their mother;
and where will they end up?
http://tinyurl.com/alosmp
I already told you, Doctratc, my information comes from writings from all over the world, libraries, encyclopedias and the diaries kept by Columbus, himself. In fact, he drew pictures of both the Arawak and the Caribe Indians.
Feel free to do your own research, it’s intriguing to see how a small island can have so much bloodshed, slavery and corruption without being identified as an enemy of the free world… Now, I feel, those days are over.
Justice for Natalee!
And as I already told you, Hope, Columbus never set foot (or laid eyes) on Aruba. Aruba’s history contains no tales of bloodshed, slavery or corruption; if anything, Aruba’s history is so benign it is actually pretty boring. Maybe the people that designate places as “enem[ies] of the free world” know a little more about Aruba than you.
Aruba and fact-finding..now that’s funny.. Straten sure stayed around just long enough, didn’t he?! Aruba, the only place where 1 + 1 + 1 = 2 black security guards.. and where Natalee spent the last night of her life.. Please can you name us one person in the govt in Aruba.. who stood up for Natalee Holloway and her family, the victims?! Aruba don’t even enforce the few laws they have..Casinos are located at most large resorts with a few casinos open 24 hours a day. In general, opening hours are 11 a.m. for slots and 1 p.m. through early morning for table games. Hours vary seasonally, so please check before making plans. No one under 18 is allowed in the casinos. Whatever happened to that law? Whatever happened to Paulus taking his underage son out drinking and gambling? Whatever happened to Joran having a VIP pass to go to CnC..underage? Joran gambling all the time at all hours? Paulus got a job as a lawyer, when he don’t follow the laws..and Joran got a trip out of the country to go to college(party on). and once again for those who say no evidence.. Why would there be? Isn’t that what a cover up is about? The only thing Aruba has tried to do is vilify Natalee and her family..an 18 year old girl who trusted Aruba enough to come celebrate her graduation and walked into a nightmare instead.
Hey, Maggie!
.
What’s up with you, dotratc?
Aruba can erase a lot of things; but they can’t erase their history. I’ll bet you believe in that no body, no crime theory, too, right? Please, don’t tell me I wasted my time on another Aruban emposter.
Hey, dotratc!
Maybe I’ll see ya shakin’ your thing
at the next Aruba Trade Show?
Light the Fires!
Nite, my monkey peeps…
http://tinyurl.com/bq4txs
Vicki on February 27th, 2009 8:14 am
Carpe- so gooooood to see you!
AYFIT-Thank you for your lovely comments. Beth is amazing and she is so loved by many..I cant wait for this movie to come out..
LIERUBA is already hurting..and has been for almost 4 years now..but like you said they need to buckle up as the scariest part of the ride is just beginning…WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE THE SPORTER OUT…
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Hey Vicki! You too friend.
You too, ayfit!
Thanks for the update on the movie.
This explains what the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA airplane was doing in Orangutan,Aruba.
BOYCOTT ARUBA UNTIL HELL FREEZES OVER.
BOYCOTT ARUBA UNTIL NATALEE GETS JUSTICE.
There is no evidence.. so what happened to Straten’s , Natalee is dead, I’ve seen the evidence you haven’t.. and JR(ugh) saying police have good solid evidence against the 2 black security guards, WHOOOO btw were being held for kidnapping and murder… Where did it go?????
I remember a story about some people from Caracao who said there was a plane that had left their island and sat at the runway in Aruba for several days, ‘waiting for Natalee to be released from drug therapy’. It was assumed to be Beth’s plane. But, she denies it. Beth doesn’t lie… so who’s plane was it?
Ray:
Is that the plane you’re talking about? Or do you mean the one from last year?
By the way, everything I said to dotaratc is correct. Notice how he starts out saying that the Arawak weren’t anywhere near the Mayan and the Aztecs, then turns around and says that the Carib were the reason they left South America and settled in the basin? He’s a liar.
#48:
That was a little harsh. He didn’t lie about them moving to the basin, but he contradicted himself about where they came from.
Hope, I did not contradict myself nor was I mistaken about Aruba or the Arawaks. The Arawaks migrated into the entire Caribbean Basin from South America. They settled on Aruba (amongst other places) and were living on Aruba at the time of its discovery by Alonso d’Ojeda and Amerigo Vespuci (not Columbus). Historical evidence is strong that the Arawaks first migrated north to escape persecution by the Caribs, who also originally came from South America.
The Aztecs and the Maya lived in what is now Mexico and northern Central America. Neither group of indigenous peoples ever came within 1,000 miles of Aruba. Just because some Maya may have (probably didn’t) encountered some Arawaks in other parts of the Caribbean has nothing whatsoever to do with the history and culture of Aruba. And there is nothing contradictory in my account.
Everything I said about Arawaks is correct. They were known as peaceful, spiritual people who gave food and comfort to the early Europeans that came to their shores. They never practiced cannibalism or human or animal sacrifice. For nearly 300 years after discovery by the Spanish, Aruba existed as something of an Arawak sanctuary; that is why the Arawak genetic type is more prevalent amongst the population of Aruba that that of any other island in the Caribbean.
#50:
Honey…
They’ve been chasin’ you all over the place.
#50 – dotratc
Sorry to see you are yet another victim of ATTACKS here on SM from the notorious one
You take being called “a liar” and being told you are “contradicting yourself” better than I would 
At least you have “class” and evidently know what you are talking about on the subject of the Arawaks, etc. That is more than I can say for some…
Apparently, SM will allow this type of negative behavior to take place, even after Red’s previous post today for all of us to be civil towards one another.
Nice try, Red
Scared Monkeys on March 1st, 2009 8:49 am
Folks … and I mean this as a message to all:
Post on the topics that the post you are reading about. You are allowed to have differing opinions. If we were all the same it would be a pretty boring world.
Please stop the back and forth name calling, it is not only uncalled for, it is lazy. Respectful debate is a lost art. I would suggest we find it. For me, I enjoy debating alternative positions. You can all do that; however, name calling is not part of debate.
Please try and be respectful of one another. You do not have to agree; however, you do have to be civil.
You are discussing a crime and missing persons case with regards to Haleigh Cunnings. Are you telling me that there is nothing to write about, fact, opinion, theory, etc that to name call?
I know you are all better than that.
Get back to the discussion at hand. In many cases you are provided with information that is not always public knowledge. You are provided with radio guests that you can only see in TV. You have the option to be able to email questions in and be an active part in these interviews.
I would strongly suggest that everyone take a breathe and remember what is important. You have a great opportunity.
PS: You do have the ability to just ignore
Regards,
RED
Red posted that this morning? That’s funny because he told me to (and I quote) “put the crack pipe down” on this very thread not three days ago. That doesn’t seem to me like the kind of thing someone should say to someone else to show respect for differing opinions.
Here’s what I don’t get. First of all, I get the part about hating Joran van der Sloot. I am part of that club, too. (I don’t condone calls for vigilante justice but that’s just me.) I even get the part about hating Aruba (although I vehemently disagree, at least I get it). What I don’t get is the spread of blatantly incorrect information as if it is a fact. All one has to do is do a google search on “Arawak” and everything that Hope said is easily debunked and everything I said is easily verified. So why post that crap in the first place? Don’t people like Hope give a rip about their own credibility?
Anyway, this thread was originally about a Dilbert cartoon that was published last week. I still see the reference to Aruba as benign, if not positive.
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SM: Well since you did not get the satire and sarcasm from the DILBERT cartoon, why should I have expected you to get the joke of “put the crack pipe down”.
You really do need to get a sense of humor.
Being disrespectful to your opinion would have been to name call … like calling some one an idiot or worse. To merely use a whimsical comment and have you react like a ran over your dog on purpose to pathetically sad. For future reference, get a sense of humor as I am not changing how I respond to comments on a sight that I own.
Being disrespectful might be to use the following quote from Billy Madison: (Then again, maybe not).
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Billy_Madison
Red:
I think this is a little too much to ask someone to ignore.
dotratc:
You said that Christopher Columbus was never in Aruba…
http://www.arubalife.net/tourism/history/
Read your own material… if you dare:
‘Early History’
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(klaasend)
SM: The way I read it Columbus wasn’t there but one of his Lieutenants was
In 1499 the first colonists to arrive in Aruba were the Spanish. A lieutenant of Christopher Columbus discovered Aruba. Alonso de Ojeda and his crew were exploring the northern coast of Venezuela when they noticed land on the horizon. That land was Aruba
… and, by the way, there is nothing peaceful or spiritual about Aruba. It’s a criminal’s paradise, nothing more. Knowing the things that most of us know about your little island of the dead…
We will, forever, boycott you!
Dotratc:
I never said that Aruba was discovered by Christopher Columbus. What I said was that he dropped off some sailors, thinking, the Arawak were ‘spiritual and friendly’ to find them gone when he returned…
#54 – dotratc
Yep, Red posted that this morning. Funny thing is, apparently it only applies to some, not all.
I find it a bit odd that Red would tell anyone “to put their crack pipe down” myself. Maybe it’s meant to be funny, but it is not very respectful to insinuate anyone here is smoking crack.
I agree with you, when you post information, make damn sure it is correct. If it is not, your credibility is blow all to hell and back.
We should practice what we preach…
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SM: YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!! PLEASE GET A SENSE OF HUMOR. TRY AND MAKE A POINT TO DO SO.
All of you better be able to laugh during the course of a day, including laughing at your self.
Yea, that’s right i was insinuating someone I do not know, have never talked to and have never met before in my life smokes crack. That’s right. Boy you hit it dead on. How could you be so smart. You just nailed it. What a brilliant observation.
RESPECTFUL??? Get real.
Some of you people really need to get a clue and some semblence of a sense of humor.
Put the crack pipe down is the same saying as … “what are you, on drugs” or “are you crazy”.
It does not mean that someone is literally on drugs. It is actually a sad commentary and ridiculous that I actually have to explain this. And guess what … if some one says something ignorant, moronic and that makes no sense … i will use the comment again. Some times I really have to grasp what planet some people live on.
R
By the way to those that can’t seem to grasp the “put the crack pipe down” comment … you are commenting in who’s house?
I strongly suggest you find a way to broaden your sense of humor … life is a little easier when one does.
Also, get back to posting comments on topic or they will be deleted.
The Management
Klaas, you are basically correct (and Hope, you are wrong). Alonso D’Ojeda sailed as a lieutenant of Columbus during one of Columbus’ earlier voyages but he was heading up his own expedition in 1499 when he claimed Aruba for Spain. Neither he nor any of his shipmates encountered any problems with the indigenous Arawaks that they found on Aruba. Columbus himself never came within 300 miles of Aruba.
I didn’t think that I over-reacted to the “crack pipe” comment. In fact, at the time, I laughed it off and posted something about agreeing to disagree about the Dilbert cartoon. I only made my follow-up comment after I saw Red’s post about respecting other peoples’ opinions.
And I still think that Aruba was portrayed as a carefree and enjoyable vacation destination in the Dilbert strip.
In 1499 the first colonists to arrive in Aruba were the Spanish. A lieutenant of Christopher Columbus discovered Aruba. Alonso de Ojeda and his crew were exploring the northern coast of Venezuela when they noticed land on the horizon. That land was Aruba…
Klaas, you left off the rest of the article.
As Alonso approached a little closer, he noticed
it was just a floating turd ball with a piece of
cactus stuck in it.
He then shouted over a bull horn WE SHALL CALL IT TURD-RUBA, now please bank a left!
On that point, I’d like to mention that, regardless, of Aruba’s past history; their current history and the conduct on behalf of their Ministers is a clear indication of the level of corruption that exists on the island, today.
America, Stay out of Aruba!
63- Carpe…LMAO…hahahahahahahahaha thank you HOPE, number 64..That about sums it up…
You’re welcome, Vicki. I know there are things going on in the Holloway case. Please feel free to contact me if you need any help. I’ll give Richard my new e-mail address.
Thanks for all you do
Red,
The joke wasn’t about politics.
accounting joke:
on the right, there is nothing right
on the left, there is nothing left
(think balance sheet)
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,,, lol
SM: ok i gotcha
R
#54 – dotratc
Are you from Aruba or the Netherlands?
#68, Susan, I’m not willing to divulge personal information on internet websites but, just this once, I’ll reveal that I am from Birmingham, Alabama.
Red,
I agree with your comments on p16.
what they do here in NL is, that if you screw up politicaly or because you made some dumbass decision. you will get either a mayor post or you go towards the EU (and still the EU mp are baffled that we do not take them serious)
Also I find the 2 party system that is used in the US foolish. its to black-white.
you have democrats who are republicans and republicans who are democrats.
Hasn’t been there any debat on this?
Susan, why do you ask, you are calling for a boycott of both.
#69 – dotratc
Thank you for confirming the fact you ARE NOT from Aruba or the Netherlands
There’s a preconceived notion that if anyone speaks of Aruba in a good light (in any form or fashion), YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY an Aruban. You were only trying to set the record straight about Aruba’s history, nothing more, nothing less…
I’m your neighbor to the north (Heart of Sand Mtn), about 60 miles away
I agree, releasing sensitive information online isn’t a good idea.
#71 – Dolf
I’ve been BOYCOTTING ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS for almost 4 years now
Why?
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
you prob. did buy some Dutch owned products in those 4 years.
But yes, Justice!
Well, let’s hope I didn’t buy anything Dutch… but if I did, I’m taking it back
Susan, I just have to ask, what about American businesses that continue to do business with/on Aruba and/or The Netherlands?
dotratc -
I just hope I’m not doing business with any American company who continue to do business with with Aruba and the Netherlands after the way Natalee’s disappearance has been handled by corrupt law enforcement officials from both countries. If I have, it hasn’t been intentional on my part. We should boycott American companies who do business with Aruba.
I’ve got a confession to make
I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express in Washington, Indiana, this past summer 
But, it’s not like there were many choices of hotel accommodations in the middle of Amish country.
fyi: Amsterdam is the hometown of several US international hq’s
IBM, ACN, KPMG, PWC to name a few
btw. the Dutch police isn’t corrupt.
Aruba had to ask for assistance.
Lewis Black is the new front man for Aruba.
Some people will do anything for money.
Boycott Lewis Black?
http://www.lewisblackaruba.com/
TIME TO GO TO ARUBA AND GET BEATEN AND THEN ARRESTED!!! SOUND LIKE FUN?
Aruba Amigoe News
Tourist arrested after brawl
March 16, 2009, 14:43 (GMT -04:00)
ORANGE CITY – After a fight in nightclub Senor Frogs is an American arrested last weekend. A friend of him was that his injuries treated.
The man was with his friend involved in a fight that ultimately resulted in a brawl. They were striking blows and the Americans were injured. When the police arrived on the spot, they saw that one of them the blood was and that the left side of his face was completely swollen. Agents advised the two to move to the first aid to go. One of them remained ‘annoying’ and pick a quarrel. The agents had no other choice than him in the store and buoys on the desk to let cool.
P.S.- If you are actually so effing completely
brain dead and wind up going to Aruba…
If you are an American, whatever bad
happens, WILL ALWAYS BE YOUR FAULT.
You can count on it!
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